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Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Parent Crazy World, the podcast that tackles

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Speaker 1: tough topics to help you be a godly parent in

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Speaker 1: an ungodly world. I am your host, Catherine Seegers, and

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Speaker 1: in today's episode, we will tackle this provocative question. Have

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Speaker 1: Christians forgotten one of God's ten commandments? Yeah? Like I said,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty provocative, but it's a question worth asking. We

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Speaker 1: would never dream of dismissing commandments against murder, adultery, stealing,

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Speaker 1: or lying. And yet the fourth commandment remember the Sabbath

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Speaker 1: day to keep it holy is rarely taught, seldom discussed,

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Speaker 1: and often ignored altogether. Was the Sabbath merely an old

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Speaker 1: Testament law that no longer applies? Or have we misunderstood

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Speaker 1: one of God's greatest gifts, a gift designed not to

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Speaker 1: burn us, but to bless us with rest, worship, trust,

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Speaker 1: and a deeper commitment with him. That's what we will

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Speaker 1: discuss in this episode of Christian Parent Crazy World. You know,

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Speaker 1: in a culture that celebrates busyness and equates our worth

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Speaker 1: with our productivity, rediscovering God's design for Sabbath may be

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Speaker 1: one of the most countercultural and life giving things Christian

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Speaker 1: families can do today, Doctor Stephen Hall is going to

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Speaker 1: join us to explore what Scripture really teaches about the Sabbath,

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Speaker 1: why it still matters, and how embracing God's rhythm of

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Speaker 1: rest can transform our homes and our walk with Christ.

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Speaker 1: To help us explore this often overlook topic, I am

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Speaker 1: joined once again by doctor Stephen Hall. Doctor Hall has

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Speaker 1: served as a minute during the Church of God for

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Speaker 1: nearly four decades. He holds degrees and Biblical studies, pastoral counseling,

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Speaker 1: Professor of Pastoral Ministry at Lee University. And he is

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Speaker 1: the executive director of the Paul L. Walker Center for

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Speaker 1: Pentecostal Preaching. Along with his wife Laddawn, he also co

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Speaker 1: founded Ministry Oasis, a ministry devoted to the sole health

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Speaker 1: of pastors and ministry leaders. So if you heard our

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Speaker 1: previous conversation on allied educational environments and the powerful influence

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Speaker 1: they have on our children, you already know the wisdom

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Speaker 1: and biblical insight doctor Hall brings to the table. I'm

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Speaker 1: so grateful to have him back to help us unpack

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Speaker 1: this fascinating and refreshing topic. We actually had such a

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Speaker 1: rich conversation. We're going to divide this into two separate conversations.

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Speaker 1: The first part, we're going to talk about the foundation,

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Speaker 1: the biblical foundation for Sabbath, where that actually and scripture

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Speaker 1: it's actually long before a lot of people think it does.

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Speaker 1: That is going to be this week's conversation. Then next

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Speaker 1: week we are going to talk about the practicality of Sabbath,

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Speaker 1: how to do it practically. Honestly, it's far more practical

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Speaker 1: than you think. Doctor Hall talks about micro Sabbath, and

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Speaker 1: you're going to want to hear all about that, what

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Speaker 1: that is and how that can benefit you. But for

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Speaker 1: this week, we're going to lay the right foundation for Sabbath.

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Speaker 1: So with that said, let's jump right in.

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Speaker 2: Steve, Welcome back to Christian parent Crazy World. It's so

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Speaker 2: wonderful to have you back.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate the invite to return. That's a

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Speaker 3: great thing it is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we don't ask everybody back business. Yes, I so

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Speaker 1: enjoyed our last conversation. But before we we'll talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about that. But why don't we just start off,

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Speaker 1: Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself,

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Speaker 1: who you are, what you do with your day job

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Speaker 1: your day job. After all, we are talking about Sabbath today,

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Speaker 1: so what do you do like in your off time

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Speaker 3: Sure, I've been a minister for thirty eight years and

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Speaker 3: transitioned recently in twenty twenty three to the academic world.

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Speaker 3: So i left the field of ministry and came to

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Speaker 3: the Academy of ministry. And I'm a pastor or excuse me,

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Speaker 3: a professor of pastoral ministry at Lee University in Cleveland, Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: And I get to spend the last season of my

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Speaker 3: ministry career launching the first season of those aspiring ministers career.

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Speaker 3: So it's quite romantic for me. And I launched my

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Speaker 3: ministry career from Lee University, and I get to come

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Speaker 3: back and return the favor, so to speak. And I've

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Speaker 3: been married to Ladon for this July nineteenth, forty years.

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Speaker 3: July nineteenth, forty years, and I have been on a

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Speaker 3: And when I say grand dude, it's because I love surfing.

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Speaker 3: You ask what I do in my downtime when I'm

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Speaker 3: not ministering or teaching or writing or lecturing. I want

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Speaker 1: I love that, and I think maybe already I already

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Speaker 1: tap into a ton of wisdom there. Occasionally I love

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Speaker 1: maybe we'll revisit that topic in the future. But last

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Speaker 1: that is your I don't know where your kid does

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Speaker 1: important in addition to the one that you ultimately come to.

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Speaker 1: With some of your kids that choose to go on

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Speaker 1: have a good allied environment there. They may be at

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Speaker 1: So if you miss that conversation, please go back and

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Speaker 1: check it. I check it out. I learned so much

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Speaker 1: and I thought it was really fascinating. But during that interview, Steve,

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Speaker 1: that most Christians we really don't have a problem breaking today,

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Speaker 1: and I thought that was such a provocative statement. But

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Speaker 1: That was the fourth commandment in the Old Testament, that

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Speaker 3: I love America and I celebrate the two hundred and

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Speaker 3: anywhere else or in any other system. However, capitalism based

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Speaker 3: on consumerism has no room for rest. Right, So we

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Speaker 3: live what what I've taught and understood and tried to

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Speaker 3: communicate to people. We live pipeline lives. And if I

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Speaker 3: can give you a quote from Bernard of Clairevo, Bernard

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Speaker 3: of Claivo is an old you know, seventh eleventh century,

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Speaker 3: twelfth century teacher of pastors, and he said this, this

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Speaker 3: wise person, this is what Clairevo says, The wise person

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Speaker 3: will see their life as more like a reservoir than

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Speaker 3: a pipeline. The pipeline simultaneously pours out what it receives.

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Speaker 3: The reservoir retains the water until it is filled, then

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Speaker 3: discharges the overflow without loss to itself. You too must

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Speaker 3: learn to await this fullness before being, before pouring your

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Speaker 3: soul out to others. Now, to me, that is an

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Speaker 3: amazing statement. If you think of like a water park,

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Speaker 3: ever full? They're never full, because as soon as you

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Speaker 3: get something in, you're pouring out. And this is how

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Speaker 3: parents live, this is how students live. It's how people

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Speaker 3: And this is exactly what Sabbath was. Always listen to

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Speaker 3: an element of the basis of human flourishing is rest.

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Speaker 3: And therefore, the reason we are often so worn out,

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Speaker 3: the capitalistic idea and the consumeristic idea that we cannot rest,

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Speaker 3: and we don't have any room for it in our life.

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Speaker 1: That is so true.

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Speaker 3: critical for healthy human living. To me, it's the foundation

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Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right, and I love that visual

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Speaker 1: that you give us, because we are that's exactly before

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Speaker 1: You've got nothing to flow out of you other than it,

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Speaker 1: you live from that overflow or that overflow that goes out,

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Speaker 1: minister in our work environments. But if we don't have that,

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right, and how sad a commentary it is

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Speaker 1: That is so true. There's a lot of food for thought,

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Speaker 3: Right, well, I'm going to push back a little bit

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Speaker 3: not resting from work. Post fall Sabbath as a law,

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Speaker 3: and that's what most people are what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Most people are saying, you know, well, that's law that

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Speaker 3: we don't have to worry about that. We're not talking

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Speaker 3: about Sabbath as law. We're talking about Sabbath as creation.

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Speaker 3: So prefall, pre law Sabbath is built in, baked into

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Speaker 3: the creation story. So human beings were to rest before

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Speaker 3: they worked as their very first day of the week,

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Speaker 3: so to speak and so therefore, what we're looking for

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Speaker 3: is a to return to a rhythm of Sabbath. But

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Speaker 3: to do that, we have to resist the pharaoh of

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Speaker 3: our culture. We have to resist our flast, we have

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Speaker 3: to resist the devil. And ultimately, Sabbath helps us reorder

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Speaker 3: our life according to our original creation.

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Speaker 1: And this is why. And the Jewish culture of the

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Speaker 1: day began in the evening. Sabbath began Friday night, right,

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it started with a meal, It started with

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Speaker 1: communion with one another, it started with rest, and then

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Speaker 1: the next day. Ah, yes, I.

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Speaker 2: See that now, and see that's just a product. My

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Speaker 2: thinking is just more in line with my culture. But

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Speaker 2: now that you're educating me and my audience at the

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Speaker 2: same time, we're responsible for that information. Now now that

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Speaker 2: we understand this is the way that God designed it

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Speaker 2: and that is set Just like I said, this is

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Speaker 2: kind of revolutionary to the way we're thinking. Or it's

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Speaker 2: very countercultural because our idea about Sunday and church and

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Speaker 2: Sabbath is more informed by our culture. It's an afterthought.

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Speaker 1: It's I know that Sunday's the first day of the week,

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Speaker 1: but we treat it like it's the last day. Of

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Speaker 1: the week, and we treat our Sabbath like it's the

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Speaker 1: last day of the week. We treat Monday like it's

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Speaker 1: the first day of the week. And that's not the

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Speaker 1: way God designed. So we're designed by God for our

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Speaker 1: days to begin after rest, and our work, even on

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Speaker 1: a daily basis, to begin after rest, the way the

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Speaker 1: Jewish mindset, the way the Jewish routine worked. But also

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Speaker 1: our weeks were intended to start with a full day

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Speaker 1: of rest and then each and every day to start

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Speaker 1: with the rest and then the workday. Correct, Is that

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Speaker 1: what I'm hearing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, think about you can think about it this way.

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Speaker 3: And so you know, people are going to have to

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Speaker 3: deal with that whole post fall pre fall idea. They

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Speaker 3: need to get out of the framework of trying to

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Speaker 3: think about Sabbath as law when Sabbath is actually transcends law.

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Speaker 3: Sabbath is you know what is Jesus. Jesus is our Sabbath.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately one day we will what we will rest in peace.

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Speaker 3: Well in the garden there was rest in peace, and

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Speaker 3: so that's that's the whole idea of Sabbath being a

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Speaker 3: looking back at the garden and a looking forward at heaven.

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Speaker 3: And saying, how will I learn to live in the

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Speaker 3: rhythm of creation? And at best, Sabbath is a weekly

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Speaker 3: twenty four hour period for ceasing all paid and unpaid

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Speaker 3: work for the sake of soul, rest, recovery, and worship.

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Speaker 3: Now you can what is unpaid work to you, Catherine?

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Speaker 1: Most of the work I do?

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Speaker 3: Okay, there you go.

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Speaker 1: I mean I get paid a little bit here and

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Speaker 1: there for some of the things I do, some of

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Speaker 1: the writing and boy.

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Speaker 3: Like cleaning up after the dog.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't get paid for that. I mean I do.

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Speaker 1: I get paid for a little bit of my tutoring,

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Speaker 1: not a lot for the very.

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Speaker 3: Yes, unpaid work, vacuuming, doing the dishes, taking care of

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Speaker 3: the here, the kids, running errands, all that, you know.

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Speaker 3: So it's very important for me to identify that our

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Speaker 3: culture also has co opted Sabbath. And I have ministers

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Speaker 3: say to me, oh, my day off is Monday, And

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Speaker 3: I say, what do you do on your day off? Well,

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Speaker 3: I do my errands, I pay my bills, I clean

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Speaker 3: the house, I bow the yard. Oh no, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 3: Sabbath is not a day off. Find another day to do.

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Speaker 3: That is a day where you cease all paid and

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Speaker 3: unpaid work. So the only work of sabbath is to

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Speaker 3: engage that which is RESTful and restorative to your soul,

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Speaker 3: and nothing else.

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Speaker 1: Uh okay, so we'll have to get into the practicality

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Speaker 1: of that work through that.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's this may be a two party here, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I've got that later on. But I'm loving all

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Speaker 1: this rich, deep theology that we're the foundation that we're

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Speaker 1: setting before we even get to that conversation. Because you

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Speaker 1: need to set the right foundation first. So let's let's

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Speaker 1: keep in the Old Testament for just a moment before

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Speaker 1: we get to the practicality. And because a lot of

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Speaker 1: people would say, you know, you're distinguishing between the law

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Speaker 1: and between the Sabbath predating the law.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of people would just take it back

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Speaker 2: to the fourth Commandment. And even still, if you do that,

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Speaker 2: I think you would look at all of.

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Speaker 1: The other commandments and say, well, of course we're supposed

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Speaker 1: to keep those right. Have no other God to perform me.

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Speaker 1: Not make it to the any graven image, not take

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Speaker 1: the name of the Lord, thy god in vain, remember

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Speaker 1: the Sabbath day to keep it only that's number four.

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Speaker 1: Honor thy father and mother, that thy days may be

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Speaker 1: long upon the land, that the Lord, Thy God giveth

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Speaker 1: thee Sorry I memorized it and the King James version,

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Speaker 1: but that shall not murder, not commit adultery. That's number seven,

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Speaker 1: not steal, not bear false witness against your neighbor, and

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Speaker 1: not covet so all the other ones. I think we

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Speaker 1: would look and say, yes, society, not only society, our families,

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Speaker 1: but individually, we need to keep all of those other commandments.

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Speaker 1: So why do we seem to think that we get

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Speaker 1: a pass on the fourth Commandment the Sabbath now that

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Speaker 1: we're New Testament believers. I think that seems to be

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Speaker 1: somewhat of a prevalent kind of thought process on that

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Speaker 1: for a lot of Christians. You know, that's just old

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Speaker 1: Testament law. But we're actively keeping the other nine commandments, right.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know, I am, I'm trying. I see all

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Speaker 3: of those as mandates from God regarding not only societal

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Speaker 3: health and well being, but I see the Fourth Commandment

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Speaker 3: too as personal health and well being sole sole health

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Speaker 3: and hygiene. I mean, our world, according to the research,

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Speaker 3: our world is infected. Is a it's a pandemic of

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Speaker 3: hurry sickness, and hurry sickness is a legitimate diagnosis. Now

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Speaker 3: It's a behavioral pattern that's basically characterized by this sense

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Speaker 3: of continual rushing and anxiousness and overwhelming and continual sense

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Speaker 3: of urgency, and that is stealing our joy. I love

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Speaker 3: what John Mark Komer said in his book Practicing the Way,

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Speaker 3: or the Ruthless Elimination of Hurry. He said, hurry and

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Speaker 3: love are incompatible. All my worst moments as a father,

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Speaker 3: a husband, and a pastor even as a human being

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Speaker 3: are when I'm in a hurry, late for an appointment,

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Speaker 3: behind all my unrealistic to do list, trying to cram

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Speaker 3: too much into my day. I lose anger, tension, a

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Speaker 3: critical nagging. It is the antithesis of love. And what

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Speaker 3: is the greatest commandment? This is me speaking here, What

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Speaker 3: is the greatest commandment? To love? Ye? If we can't

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Speaker 3: love well when we are in a hurry, when we

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Speaker 3: are busy, when we are overwhelmed, we can't love well.

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Speaker 3: So talk about commandments. You want to talk about commandments,

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the Let's go from the Old Testament

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Speaker 3: of the New Testament. And they said, oh Jesus, what

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Speaker 3: commandment is the greatest? Just like all these people are

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Speaker 3: wanting to know, we don't have to keep Sabbath. That

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Speaker 3: was that was legalism. Well, if you can't love well

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Speaker 3: without keeping Sabbath, then you can't keep the greatest commandment,

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Speaker 3: which is to love.

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Speaker 1: Right, to love Lord your God with all your heart, soul,

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Speaker 1: mind and strength, and to love your neighborhoods yourself.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's why Jesus in Mark two, when

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Speaker 3: the Pharisees were condemning his disciples for you know picking,

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Speaker 3: you know, heads of grain and all that, Jesus actually

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Speaker 3: responded to the idea of well, listen, Dutchess legalism. Jesus

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Speaker 3: to remove the legalism of Sabbath. Yet he affirmed the

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Speaker 3: wisdom of it when he said in Mark two twenty seven,

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Speaker 3: the Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people,

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Speaker 3: and not people to meet the requirements of Sabbath. He

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Speaker 3: put it in a pre fall context. He said, Sabbath

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Speaker 3: was made to meet the needs of the people. It

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Speaker 3: was a part of humanity before sin even entered the world.

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Speaker 1: Hmm, that's so good. I want to get to that

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Speaker 1: Mark section and really break that down in a second.

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Speaker 1: But we had talked a little bit in our emails

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Speaker 1: back and forth since our last episode because I told

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Speaker 1: you I wanted to follow up and do this Sabbath conversation,

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Speaker 1: but I hadn't gotten around to it. And this is

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Speaker 1: what got me around to it. I was reading in

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Speaker 1: Isaiah fifty six a passage that really caught my attention.

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Speaker 1: It's this section where Israel has returned from exile and

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Speaker 1: their living through these practical realities of being honestly in

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Speaker 1: a broken world, and it contains this beautiful message here

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Speaker 1: in Isaiah fifty six of inclusion for marginalized outsiders. And

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Speaker 1: what I found fascinating was, of all the ten commandments,

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Speaker 1: look which one it looked to to help these outsiders,

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Speaker 1: these marginalized people to be grafted into the nation. This

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Speaker 1: is what it says in Isaiah fifty six. God says

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Speaker 1: to the eunuchs, who keep my Sabbaths. And that's interesting

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Speaker 1: because that was a reality and that culture was that

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Speaker 1: some men were made into eunuchs to serve the kings,

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Speaker 1: but they were definitely outsiders. They didn't even have they

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Speaker 1: couldn't even pass on anything to posterity, they didn't have families.

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Speaker 1: So and I love that God is so concerned about

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Speaker 1: marginalized people and outsiders all throughout the Old Testaments. I

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Speaker 1: was blessed to talk to Oz Guinnis once on my show,

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Speaker 1: and he talked about how the Old Testament prophets were

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Speaker 1: the first justice warriors in all of human history. So

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Speaker 1: here we have, he says, to the eunuchs who keep

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Speaker 1: my Sabbath, that's the one they mentioned of the ten commandments,

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Speaker 1: not any of the others. Of not murdering or committing adultery,

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Speaker 1: that might have been a little harder there. But who

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Speaker 1: choose these eunuchs, who choose what pleases me and hold

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Speaker 1: fast to my covenant? To them, I will give within

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Speaker 1: my temples and its walls a memorial and a name

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Speaker 1: better than sons and daughters. How do they arrive here?

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Speaker 1: How do they get here? By keeping the Sabbath? I

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Speaker 1: will give them an everlasting name that will endure forever.

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Speaker 1: And he goes on to talk about the foreigners and

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Speaker 1: foreigners who bind themselves to the Lord, to minister to him,

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Speaker 1: to love the name of the Lord, and to be

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Speaker 1: his servants. All who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it,

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Speaker 1: and who hold fast to my covenant. These I will

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Speaker 1: bring to my holy mountain and give them joy, and

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Speaker 1: my house of prayer for my house will be called

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Speaker 1: a house of prayer for all nations. So that's Isaiah

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Speaker 1: fifty six, verses four through six, And it just jumped

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Speaker 1: down at me, Steve, It completely jumped out at me

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Speaker 1: that God is looking for a way to bring these outsiders,

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Speaker 1: marginalized people, people who have lived through tough situations, foreigners

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Speaker 1: in your midst how to graph them in? And if

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Speaker 1: I were going to look personally in my own wisdom,

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Speaker 1: perhaps prior to this conversation, not now, but in my

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Speaker 1: own wisdom, which of the ten commandments would I emphasize

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Speaker 1: for someone who was coming into the faith, who might

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Speaker 1: be marginalized, who might be on the outside. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that I would go to the fourth one first.

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Speaker 1: And yet here they go to the fourth one first,

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Speaker 1: keeping the Sabbath. Why do you think that is? Why

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Speaker 1: does that one get top billing when talking to people

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Speaker 1: who are foreigners and out fighters and marginalized. Why is

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Speaker 1: keeping the Sabbath the first commandment mentioned to them in

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Speaker 1: order to be grafted in?

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Speaker 3: Even then, the Sabbath was the singular characteristic of human

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Speaker 3: living that identified human beings with their creator. Even then, Yes,

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Speaker 3: and now, when we identify with Jesus as our ultimate Sabbath,

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Speaker 3: and we practice the creation Sabbath. We identify counter culturally.

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Speaker 3: We are a contrast culture. And when we do that,

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Speaker 3: we mark ourselves as people of the Creator, not the lawgiver,

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Speaker 3: not the policeman up in the sky. But we don't

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Speaker 3: do it out of legalism. We do it out of love,

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Speaker 3: our love for God and our love to be with God, resting,

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Speaker 3: flopping down in his presence on Sabbath and enjoying the

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Speaker 3: love of God, the love of self and the love

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Speaker 3: of others. That marks the believer in Christ.

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Speaker 1: And it always has It's always been countercultural. There's always

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Speaker 1: been this tension, this tendency to not keep the Sabbath.

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Speaker 1: And you think, what did he do when he gave

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Speaker 1: them manna from heaven? Right, he told them prior to

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Speaker 1: the Sabbath they had to that was the one day.

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Speaker 1: They gathered enough for two days. Right, It couldn't do

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Speaker 1: it on the Sabbath. If they did what happened, it

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Speaker 1: would turn moldy. He only gave them enough for each day,

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Speaker 1: except prior to the Sabbath they were allowed to gather

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Speaker 1: enough for two days. So Sabbath requires some planning. We'll

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Speaker 1: get to that with the practical part. To go back

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Speaker 1: to Mark two, though, it's verses twenty three through twenty

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Speaker 1: eight that you mentioned. This is the section that we

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Speaker 1: few times that we might have heard it mentioned in

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Speaker 1: passing or maybe part of a sermon. But there's this

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Speaker 1: amazing and it's usually not necessarily teaching on the Sabbath.

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Speaker 1: That might be something on legalism or whatever. But the

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Speaker 1: section you mentioned where the disciples were walking through a

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Speaker 1: grain field and they picked some grain to eat, and

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Speaker 1: of course they're harshly critiqued and criticized by the Pharisees,

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Speaker 1: who immediately accused them of violating the Sabbath. But what

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Speaker 1: you alluded to earlier, Jesus doesn't. He didn't dismiss the

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Speaker 1: Sabbath is unimportant. Instead, he confronts the Pharisees and they're

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Speaker 1: misunderstanding of the purpose of the Sabbath. They had turned

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Speaker 1: God's gracious gift of rest into a heavy burden of

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Speaker 1: a man made rule, and they just they love to

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Speaker 1: do that. They turned that into an art form. They

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Speaker 1: just love to turn what God intended for good into

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Speaker 1: some sort of a legalistic burden. But Jesus actually pointed

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Speaker 1: him back to David. He mentioned to them that eating

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Speaker 1: consecrated bread when his men were in need, and he

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Speaker 1: mentioned how that happened with David, and he reminded them

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Speaker 1: that human need is not opposed to God's heart for

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Speaker 1: the Sabbath. In other words, he wasn't abolishing the Sabbath

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Speaker 1: by any means. He was restoring it, like you said,

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Speaker 1: to its true pre fall, meaning and need, because it

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Speaker 1: fulfills a need that we have, and it does. It

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Speaker 1: is the one thing that really distinguishes us even today

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Speaker 1: from other people and other believers. And I mentioned earlier

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Speaker 1: on the two companies that do this. They are very

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Speaker 1: distinctive amongst all of the companies out there, Hobby Lobby

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Speaker 1: and Chick fil A. They are very distinctive. Doesn't hurt them.

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Speaker 1: Their businesses are doing very, very well. So let that

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Speaker 1: be an encouragement to us. But let's dig into what

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Speaker 1: God or what Jesus really does. In this section of

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Speaker 1: Mark two, he does not eradicate us from any need

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Speaker 1: for the Sabbath. Rather, he points us back to the

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Speaker 1: true meaning and purpose for the Sabbath.

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Speaker 3: In the beginning right on. It's a creation experience, not

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Speaker 3: a legalistic, law based experience. It's a creation based experience.

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Speaker 1: We are going to continue this very rich conversation next

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Speaker 1: week because Steve and I went on to discuss so

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Speaker 1: many practical and honestly freeing ways that we can begin

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Speaker 1: to observe the Sabbath. Moms and dads, I don't want

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Speaker 1: you to miss the rest of this conversation because I

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Speaker 1: think it's going to encourage you in ways that you

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Speaker 1: may not expect, because the Sabbath was never intended to

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Speaker 1: become another heavy burden to carry. No, it was designed

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Speaker 1: to lift our burdens by turning our eyes back to

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Speaker 1: Christ and giving our souls and our bodies the rest

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Speaker 1: that God himself ordained from the very beginning for us

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Speaker 1: as human beings to have. Now, I know what many

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Speaker 1: of you are probably thinking. This sounds wonderful, but it's

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Speaker 1: just not realistic. How could I possibly take an entire

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Speaker 1: day off because maybe you're raising children, maybe you're caring

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Speaker 1: for aging parents. Maybe you work in healthcare or law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: or ministry or another profession that simply doesn't shut down

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Speaker 1: one day a week. Well, Steve is going to share

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Speaker 1: something with you in this next episode that I had

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Speaker 1: honestly never really considered before. He talks about what he

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Speaker 1: calls micro sabbathing. It's so cool, and I think that

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Speaker 1: it may be the answer for many of us busy

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Speaker 1: parents who want to pay the Lord's command to Sabbath

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Speaker 1: and are looking for how to start. But before we

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Speaker 1: wrap up today, I want to circle back to something

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Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier in this episode about hidden sins versus

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Speaker 1: wilful sins. I talked about this passage from Psalm nineteen.

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Speaker 1: It's verses twelve and thirteen. In this passage, King David says,

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Speaker 1: who can discern his errors? Forgive my hidden faults and

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Speaker 1: keep your servant also from willful sins? May they not

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Speaker 1: rule over me? Then I will be blameless and innocent

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Speaker 1: of great transgression. So notice here that David distinguishes between

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Speaker 1: sins that we're unaware of and sins that we commit knowingly.

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Speaker 1: Scripture makes that distinction throughout as well. All throughout the Bible,

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Speaker 1: God is deeply concerned with the posture of our hearts

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Speaker 1: and our response to the truth that we're given. And

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Speaker 1: I think my friend Alexandrea, who I mentioned she was

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Speaker 1: just raised in this culture where it was common for

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Speaker 1: someone to be legally married to one person while living

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Speaker 1: with someone else, And she genuinely did not know that

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Speaker 1: the Bible called that adultery or is she liked to

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Speaker 1: say adultui. But when she learned God's design for marriage,

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Speaker 1: she responded in obedience. She left that relationship because she

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Speaker 1: wanted to honor Christ. Now, if we contrast that with

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Speaker 1: David himself, David knew exactly what God had commanded when

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Speaker 1: he took Bethsheba as his own. He knowingly broke the

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Speaker 1: seventh commandment by committing adultery. Then, in an attempt to

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Speaker 1: cover his sin, he broke the sixth commandment by arranging

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Speaker 1: for Urah's death, he committed murder. Those were deliberate, wilful sins. Now,

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Speaker 1: there are consequences for every sin, But God and scripture

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Speaker 1: consistently treat wilful rebellion differently than sins that we commit

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Speaker 1: in ignorance. David's story reminds us of that in heartbreaking fashion. Now,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to mention one other example in scripture that

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Speaker 1: comes from the life of King Josiah. I love this example.

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Speaker 1: You can find this in Second King's Chapter twenty two.

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Speaker 1: During the renovation of the temple, the high priest Tilkiah

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Speaker 1: discovered the long lost Book of the Law, and most

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Speaker 1: scholars believe that was the Book of Juderonomy. And when

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Speaker 1: its words were read to King Josiah, he was horrified.

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Speaker 1: He realized just how far Judah had drifted from God's commands,

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Speaker 1: and he tore his robes and repentance, and Hilkiah, the

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Speaker 1: high priest, took the Book of the Law to the

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Speaker 1: prophetess Holda, and she helped lead the nation back to

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Speaker 1: repentance and covenant faithfulness. Neither the king nor the people

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Speaker 1: realized how far they had strayed until God's word confronted

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Speaker 1: them with the truth. And I just can't help but

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Speaker 1: wonder if something similar has happened with the Sabbath. Like

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Speaker 1: my friend Alexandra, and like King Josiah, like the people

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Speaker 1: of Judah, perhaps many of us have simply adopted the

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Speaker 1: pace of our culture without ever stopping to ask whether

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Speaker 1: it reflects God's design. We've assumed the Sabbath was only

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Speaker 1: for the Old Testament, or that it was legalistic, or

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Speaker 1: that it simply didn't apply anymore. But as doctor Hall

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Speaker 1: reminded us today, the Sabbath wasn't established under the law

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Speaker 1: of Moses. Is it was established before the fall, before

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Speaker 1: sin ever entered the world. It is woven into God's

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Speaker 1: good design for humanity itself. And once we know that,

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Speaker 1: we have an opportunity and a responsibility to prayerfully ask

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Speaker 1: the Lord what obedience looks like in our own lives.

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Speaker 1: So I hope you will join me next week as

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Speaker 1: doctor Stephen Hall addresses the elephant in the room, which

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Speaker 1: is the major issue of trust we have in taking

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Speaker 1: the time to Sabbath, and then he's going to share

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Speaker 1: practical biblical ways to embrace Sabbath rest. I truly believe

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Speaker 1: this conversation has the potential to refresh your soul, strengthen

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Speaker 1: your faith, and bless your family for many many generations

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Speaker 1: to come. And as always, remember God gave you your kids,

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Speaker 1: your specific kids for a reason. That's because you hold

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Speaker 1: the key to unlocking who God created them to be.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next.

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