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Speaker 2: All right, friends, welcome to the Sean McDowell Show. We

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Speaker 2: done this in a long time. I used to do

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Speaker 2: All right, we got tons of comments, dozens of questions.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to dive in, and then we're also going

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Speaker 2: to take some live ones if we can. If you

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Speaker 2: of those live questions as well. All right, let's jump

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Speaker 2: in the first one. No big surprise. Right at the

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Speaker 2: top is free will versus predestination. We could spend the

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Speaker 2: entire time talking about this, and we won't, but a

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Speaker 2: couple comments.

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Speaker 1: One.

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Speaker 2: This is not just a challenge uniquely for Christians. Every

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Speaker 2: worldview has to find and make sense of whether everything

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Speaker 2: is determined and whether human beings genuinely have free will.

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Speaker 1: Christians will differ on this.

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Speaker 2: Some lean more heavily into free will and might be

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Speaker 2: an Armenian type position. Some lean more heavily into what

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Speaker 2: would be called a Calvinist worldview, and there's greater and

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Speaker 2: lesser degrees that people hold those leaning more in towards

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Speaker 2: God's sovereignty and having a different perspective of free will.

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Speaker 2: My take, if I had to pick, since I'm an

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Speaker 2: apologist and a philosopher, I find middle knowledge pretty compelling.

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Speaker 2: I've interviewed William Lane Craig on this, and basically God

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Speaker 2: has foreknowledge of not only what will happen, but what

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Speaker 2: would happen in any conceivable situation, and he places us

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Speaker 2: in the world knowing and in a sense sovereignly controlling

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Speaker 2: towards his ends. But we freely act according to our

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Speaker 2: own desires and will. Now this raises a million other questions, obviously,

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Speaker 2: but I tend to find that most intellectually satisfying, and

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Speaker 2: I think it matches up with scripture.

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Speaker 2: Last point on this is some people say, well, there

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be tensions within scripture when it comes to something

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Speaker 2: like this. We should have a clear answer. And my

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Speaker 2: question is why should that be the case. When you

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Speaker 1: We don't know why.

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Speaker 2: There's a paradox, there's attention there, there's some deeper truth

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Speaker 2: While I find middle knowledge interesting in promising and one

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Speaker 2: it bothers me less that we can't perfectly solve it,

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Speaker 2: given that in other worlds like physics. There's also areas

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Speaker 2: like light that seem to operate in different ways. If

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Speaker 2: you disagree, chat give me your comments, throw them in

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Speaker 2: there and we'll take your questions. I see people from Bakersfield, Singapore, Jamaica,

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Speaker 2: Love it. Let's take one here from Philos Theos that says,

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Speaker 2: doctor McDowell, what are your thoughts on oneness Pentecostals.

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Speaker 2: he says, explain trinity to an unbeliever's the toughest one

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Speaker 2: that's irrelevant.

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Speaker 2: A lot of truths about God that the Scripture teaches

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Speaker 2: For example, the word a sayity is not in the Bible.

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Speaker 2: That's actually a word for God's self existence. But many

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Speaker 2: philosophers and theologians will point towards like Exodus three, where

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Speaker 2: That affirms a sayity even though we don't have the

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Speaker 2: not the word that matters, it's the doctrine that matters.

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Speaker 2: So where's the word trinity come from? I believe in

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Speaker 2: And it's a combination of two words try meaning three

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Speaker 2: and nity comes from unity. So the trinity is meant

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Speaker 2: to be a word that captures what the Bible teaches

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Speaker 2: about the character of God, that there's threeness in God

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Speaker 2: so to speak, and there's oneness in God. So oneness

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Speaker 2: him take a step back, if that's okay. Fascinatingly, the

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Speaker 2: according to Frederick Koppelston's History of Philosophy, he said, was

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Speaker 2: And what accounts for the difference? So early Greek philosophers

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Speaker 2: is there's a distinction in persons, one God who eternally

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Speaker 2: It affirms that there's one God in being, and yet

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Speaker 2: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are each divine. Now

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Speaker 2: no one debates that the Father is divine. I won't

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Speaker 2: John one one in the beginning was the word. The

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Speaker 2: So the word Jesus is God. He's divine, but he's

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Speaker 2: also distinct from the Father. So the Father's God, the

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Speaker 2: Jesus is God. And I've been reading this morning. I

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Speaker 2: read in Act chapter five where Anonius and Sapphire are

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Speaker 2: father's divine, the Son is divine, the Holy Spirit is divine.

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Speaker 2: But there's one being in essence. There's three persons who

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Speaker 2: to an unbeliever, I would I've given up trying to

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Speaker 2: use perfect illustrations for the Trinity. When I taught high

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Speaker 2: It, goes, mister macul I got it a peanut Eminem goes,

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Speaker 2: there's the shell of the chocolate and peanut. And part

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Speaker 2: is like, are you serious? We were comparing the character

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Speaker 2: is unique. I don't think we need a perfect illustration

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Speaker 2: to an unbeliever, I might say, and this comes from

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Speaker 2: Millard Erickson's book. He says, there's one what God and

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Speaker 2: three who's There's one bean who is God and three

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Speaker 2: the threeeness a per since the entity comes from the unity. So, yes,

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Speaker 2: it's difficult to understand. Yes, it stretches our imagination, but

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Speaker 2: I believe because this is what scripture teaches, and I

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Speaker 2: think it actually helps make sense of the oldest philosophical challenge,

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Speaker 2: namely the One and the many. All right, I see

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Speaker 2: a ton of questions come through. My goodness, here's some

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Speaker 2: practical ones. Here's a ton.

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Speaker 1: I love this. This is fun.

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Speaker 2: By the way, let me take one that was submitted earlier.

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Speaker 2: Why did Jesus choose the time period he did to

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Speaker 2: reveal himself. That's a great question. Let me pull up

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Speaker 2: here Galatians four, I think gives a sense of this.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Paul's letter to Galatia. He says, but when

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Speaker 2: the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his son,

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Speaker 2: born of a woman, born under the law. And of

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Speaker 2: course the question is what's meant about the fullness of time?

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of pieces of this. Of course,

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Speaker 2: theologically and biblically, we could look back about how God

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Speaker 2: God is slowly revealing his desire and his will for

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Speaker 2: the people. That's the importance of the story of the

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Speaker 2: Hebrew Scriptures. But of course, if Jesus is the Messiah,

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Speaker 2: the divine Messiah, then the Old Testament is preparing the

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Speaker 2: certain biblical theological building that's taking place for Jesus to come.

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Speaker 2: But I also think what's fascinating is that there were

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Speaker 2: certain structures in place where the message could get out

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Speaker 2: or much earlier, namely the Pax Romana. You had peace

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Speaker 2: And there's people who know this far better than I do,

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Speaker 2: but historically there was a very unique window. And I

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Speaker 2: I remember thinking, do they even have the ability to

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Speaker 2: of culminated in that moment theologically and practically for the

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Speaker 2: message of Jesus. Like it says an acts take it

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Speaker 2: They actually had the ability to get that message out

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Speaker 2: source behind it. And of course pass is like two

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Speaker 2: Timothy that talks about scripture being God breathed and useful

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Speaker 2: for teaching and rebuking passes like one Peter one, twenty

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Speaker 2: and twenty one, I believe it is about scripture. Let's

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Speaker 2: let's pull this one up. We see why I find

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Speaker 2: this right here? If I'm getting this right at first

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Speaker 2: Peter twenty wrong invalid? Oh first Peter two twenty of course.

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Speaker 1: Nope?

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Speaker 2: Is second Peter embarrassing? Why I might not thinking of

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Speaker 2: this one all right now I'm killing myself. Is it

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Speaker 2: one twenty? Oh? There it is found it second Peter

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Speaker 2: one twenty known this first of all, that no prophecy

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Speaker 2: of scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. For no prophecy

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Speaker 2: was ever produced by the will of man, but men

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Speaker 2: spoke from God as they were carried along by the

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Speaker 2: Holy Spirit. Now I'm not making an argument here. I

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Speaker 2: realize I'm using scripture to explain this. But this is

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Speaker 2: a Christian view that scripture in fact is the word

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Speaker 2: of God. It says, then why is it open to interpretation?

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Speaker 2: Now we've moved from metaphysically scripture is the word of God.

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Speaker 2: God is the author behind it. But then now when

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Speaker 2: we talk about why is it open to interpretation? Now

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Speaker 2: we're talking about epistemology. So we can't just because something

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Speaker 2: is the word of God doesn't mean we can't disagree

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Speaker 2: about it. If it's open to interpretation and people say

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Speaker 2: interpret it this way, I'm terbret it that way. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't follow that there's no proper interpretation, and it doesn't

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Speaker 2: follow that it's therefore not the word of God. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: if the Holocaust really happened, why do some people deny it. Well,

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Speaker 2: if some people deny the Holocaust for whatever reasons, maybe

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Speaker 2: they're psychological reasons, maybe their worldview reasons. Does that follow

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Speaker 2: that the Holocaust didn't happen?

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Speaker 1: Of course not.

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Speaker 2: So we have to look at which interpretation of the

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Speaker 2: Holocaust of a biblical passage is most reasonable. So, if

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Speaker 2: scripture truly is the word of God, and God has

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Speaker 2: written it to instruct us and to guide us and

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Speaker 2: to invite us into conversation, and God has given us

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Speaker 2: free will, I would expect there to be differences in interpretation.

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Speaker 2: In no way do differences in interpretation take away from

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Speaker 2: the fact that the Bible is the word of God.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go back to question answer here I

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Speaker 2: will do. I came to your school last year to speak.

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Speaker 1: It was amazing. Thank you, Kate.

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Speaker 2: That's really fun. I appreciate. That's wonderful to hear from.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's take this one live and see if

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Speaker 2: I can help it. It says question, is it reasonable

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Speaker 2: to believe that God set the universe in motion and

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Speaker 2: allows it to run according to its own laws without

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Speaker 2: actively intervening in events? Is it reasonable to believe this?

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Speaker 2: If I understand the question clearly, this person is saying

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Speaker 2: is that this is kind of a deistic view of God.

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Speaker 2: That God exists, set the universe in motion, allows it

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Speaker 2: to run according to the laws that God set up

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Speaker 2: and doesn't intervene in these events. That's a deistic view

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Speaker 2: some people. There's a range of different people that have

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Speaker 2: held theism. For me, where I would agree with deism

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Speaker 2: is I think there's an intelligent designer. I think the

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Speaker 2: evidence points towards a mind behind the universe, a mind

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Speaker 2: and a purpose, an exquisite even within the laws of

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Speaker 2: physics and cosmology themselves, as we move into fine tuning,

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Speaker 2: are exquisitely within parameters to allow life. So I think

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Speaker 2: that I agree with that. Where I differ with deism

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Speaker 2: is I would say two things. First off, sometimes I've

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Speaker 2: seen deism explained in a way that if God sets

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Speaker 2: up these laws, then he's kind of limited by these

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Speaker 2: laws and can't intervene. I've never fully understood that, because

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Speaker 2: if God is the one who speaks brings something new

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Speaker 2: existence for nothing, God creates the universe, and he makes

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Speaker 2: these laws, and these laws seem to be contingent. They

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Speaker 2: didn't have to be set the law of say the

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Speaker 2: cosmon we're constant or the strength of gravity. If they're

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Speaker 2: contingent and God is the one who set them up,

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Speaker 2: then God could obviously, given what it means to be God,

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Speaker 2: change or adapt them if he wanted to, or God

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Speaker 2: could act through them if he wanted to. I see

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Speaker 2: no in principal reason why God could not act through

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Speaker 2: the laws that God creates. But the main reason I'm

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Speaker 2: not a deist is not philosophically. I'm not a deist

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Speaker 2: because I think Jesus really did miracles. I think he

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Speaker 2: really walked on water. I think he really healed the blind,

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Speaker 2: I think he really healed lepers. I think he actually

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Speaker 2: rose from the grave. So a Jewish, Muslim Christian position

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Speaker 2: rejects deism and says we have an involved God. But

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Speaker 2: the reason I am a Christian and I don't stop

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Speaker 2: with the laws being kind of set themselves is because

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Speaker 2: I think there's a God who answers prayers. And I've

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Speaker 2: done full videos on this. You can see with Candy

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Speaker 2: Brown and make up your own mind about the data

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Speaker 2: pointing towards prayers. I've done specific videos, did one just

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Speaker 2: a few weeks ago on God doing miracles in the

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Speaker 2: past and in the present, so you can believe that.

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Speaker 2: But I think the miracles from the Old Testament and

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Speaker 2: in practice today seriously challenge this claim towards theism. I

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Speaker 2: hope that helps some. All right, let's take a look

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Speaker 2: number one. I don't know are people voting on these?

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Speaker 2: I don't know what these number ones mean? I guess

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Speaker 2: I gotta figured out. That's my bad. I will get

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Speaker 2: on that. It says, is struggling with sin a good

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Speaker 2: reason to doubt your salvation, or is to struggle the

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Speaker 2: sign that you are indeed saved. That's a really interesting question.

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Speaker 1: I don't let me think so. My thoughts on doubt is.

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Speaker 2: I understand why people doubt. People can doubt morally, people

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Speaker 2: can doubt intellectually. My response is not to judge you

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Speaker 2: and say stop doubting. I would point towards the passage

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Speaker 2: in Jude I think it's one twenty two one or

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Speaker 2: one twenty two that says have mercy on those who doubt.

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Speaker 1: It can be painful.

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Speaker 2: I went through in my own life a period and

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Speaker 2: I was like really seriously questioning if I thought Christiane

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Speaker 2: was true, the Bible was true, if I wanted to

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Speaker 2: follow Jesus, and I felt it it was painful. So

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Speaker 2: people can doubt for a lot of reasons. It can

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Speaker 2: be intellectual, it can be the will that we just

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Speaker 2: don't want to believe. It can be morally because of sin.

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Speaker 2: So in some ways, if you're going to sin, it's

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Speaker 2: natural that you would doubt because of it. So it's

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Speaker 2: not so much that it's a good reason to doubt,

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Speaker 2: but it's understandable that if we're involved in sin, it's

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Speaker 2: going to make us question certain things about God and

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Speaker 2: be likely to reject it. My obvious response in this

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Speaker 2: case is I would I'd encourage you strongly to number one,

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Speaker 2: don't keep it to yourself. Share with somebody you have doubts.

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Speaker 2: It confesster like a kisser, and it can wreck just

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Speaker 2: your freedom and life, and it can really deconstruct to

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Speaker 2: the point of deconversion. So share it with somebody, trust,

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Speaker 2: Share it with somebody who would listen, and don't let

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Speaker 2: that sin if it goes unaddressed. I mean, the Bible

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Speaker 2: has really strong things to say about sin leading ultimately

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Speaker 2: towards death, sometimes physical death, relational death, and spiritual death.

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Speaker 2: So I would get to the root of it, and

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Speaker 2: if that's the sin that's going on, confess it and repent.

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Speaker 2: Know that there's a God who loves you and for

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Speaker 2: gives you, and will restore you and make you, make

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Speaker 2: you new.

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Speaker 1: Sean.

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Speaker 2: The numbers mean top commentors got it. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: communicating that to me. My bad feel like a boomer here?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: Does God get tired of the same prayer? Here's one

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Speaker 2: of the interesting things. I don't know what it means

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Speaker 2: for God to get tired. A lot of human languages

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Speaker 2: use what's often called anthropomorphizing language to describe God, like say, regret,

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Speaker 2: but God doesn't regret the way that we do. I

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Speaker 2: think these are hooks that are somewhat analogies to get

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Speaker 2: us closer to understanding God, but they don't perfectly match

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Speaker 2: on to God. So does God get tired of the

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Speaker 2: same prayer? God doesn't get tired, He doesn't get worn out.

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Speaker 2: And in some ways, I want to say, what kind

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Speaker 2: of prayer? Is this? A sincere, heartfelt prayer to the Lord?

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine God would get tired of that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're taught how to pray the Lord's prayer. Would God

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Speaker 2: get tired of that same prayer? Not necessarily? I think

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Speaker 2: the question is less what does God get tired of?

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Speaker 2: But what are we praying? And why are we praying it?

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Speaker 2: I think that's the bigger question. So if I use

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Speaker 2: the rope prayer and it's lost its meaning, then clearly

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Speaker 2: I'm not able to connect with God and cry out

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Speaker 2: to God and relate to God in the same kind

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Speaker 2: of way. So that might be the time to change

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Speaker 2: the prayer. Sometimes, if I'm not connected with God, use

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Speaker 2: a fixed, pre planned prayer like the Lord's prayer, or

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Speaker 2: of course in John chapter seventeen, where Jesus teaches his

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Speaker 2: disciples how to pray and sometime and pray it. So

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Speaker 2: on this question, this is really interesting. I've never actually

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Speaker 2: thought about this. Does God get tired of the same prayer?

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Speaker 2: I would encourage you to think less about God getting

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Speaker 2: tired and more about our heart and our posture before

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Speaker 2: the Lord. If we can be sincere and trusting of

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Speaker 2: God to Him with the same prayer, then keep it up.

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Speaker 2: If that rope prayer is getting in the way, then

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Speaker 2: shift your game plan, all right. Third question about calendism.

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Speaker 2: Shift away from that one for right now. So here's

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Speaker 2: a good one.

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Speaker 1: All right. I'll give some thoughts on this one. This

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Speaker 1: one is tough. How is Jesus.

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Speaker 2: Omniscient if he does not know the day or the hour?

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Speaker 2: This is a fair tough question. I remember the first

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Speaker 2: time I really wrestled to this again. It was actually

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Speaker 2: a class in my master's program here with Gary Deuiz

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Speaker 2: and we were looking and it's first time was like,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, Jesus God that he doesn't know certain things?

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Speaker 1: How do I reconcile it to you?

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Speaker 2: And maybe I'd heard it before when I was younger,

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Speaker 2: is the first time it really hit home with me.

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Speaker 2: And of course the challenge is is that we believe

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Speaker 2: Jesus is God, which the scriptures clearly teach. I've been

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Speaker 2: reading Acts in the morning and I think Acts twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty eight. I'm just going to make this point and

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Speaker 2: then come back to it. I think it's a great

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Speaker 2: example verse I just committed myself to memorize. It says,

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Speaker 2: oh luke, no wonder, it's not there losing my mind.

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Speaker 2: Acts John X twenty versus twenty eight. It says, be

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Speaker 2: on your guard for yourselves and for all the flock

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Speaker 2: was the Holy Spirit? Is the point you do is

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Speaker 2: over seers to shepherd the Church of God, which he

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Speaker 2: purchased with his own blood. Now Jesusesus died is purchased

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Speaker 2: by God because Jesus is God. So John, as I

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Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, clear to teach Jesus God. We haven't luke.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it's all over, Paul, How can he not know?

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Speaker 2: The key to this is what we mean by Jesus

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Speaker 2: taking on human flesh in the incarnation. Jesus is divine,

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Speaker 2: but he's also human. So the tension we see in

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Speaker 2: the scriptures is sometimes Jesus knows things is seemingly only

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Speaker 2: God can know. He knows things about the woman in

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Speaker 2: John chapter four, the woman at the well. He knows

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Speaker 2: things about what the religious leaders are thinking in Mark

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Speaker 2: chapter two with the paralytic, so he has divine insight.

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Speaker 2: But he also says he doesn't know the time, and

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Speaker 2: he doesn't know the hour, And I think what's going

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Speaker 2: on here? My best is that Jesus doesn't seize being God.

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Speaker 2: He has that knowledge as God, but he chooses to

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Speaker 2: take on certain limitations to access that knowledge in his

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Speaker 2: humbling himself. Hence Philippians chapter two five through seven, as

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Speaker 2: he takes on human flesh. So not a perfect analogy,

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Speaker 2: but one that comes to mind is if I chose to, Oh,

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Speaker 2: my son's thirteen now, so he's a pretty good athlete actually,

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Speaker 2: and I'm turning fifty in spring. But if I chose

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Speaker 2: to compete with somebody and tie my feet together, I

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Speaker 2: limit certain powers that I have. I still latently have them,

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Speaker 2: but I've chosen to limit them to compete with somebody

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Speaker 2: who has less powers. In some ways, I think this

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Speaker 2: is what Jesus is doing. Is God doesn't cease being God,

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Speaker 2: that would be heresy, but willingly submits himself to the

656
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Speaker 2: Father to access and use certain things that he knows

657
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Speaker 2: as God. There's no contradiction that is there, and I

658
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Speaker 2: think it's in fitting with what.

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Speaker 1: The scriptures teach. Boy, that's a tough one.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go back to some of these live

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Speaker 2: questions here. Boom boom, let's see here. Oh gosh, some

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Speaker 2: of these. You're gonna get me on the record. I'll

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Speaker 2: just be honest with you, and I might backtrack when

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Speaker 2: we're done. So you're getting me live in this one.

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Speaker 2: BK Sample says, again, I've never thought about this. This

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Speaker 2: is what makes this fun is on a scale of

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Speaker 2: one to ten, how important is the doctrine of biblical inerrancy. Now,

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Speaker 2: when we say how important is the doctrine of biblical inerrancy,

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Speaker 2: we have to say important for what? If the question

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Speaker 2: is on a scale of one to ten, how's important?

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Speaker 2: How important is the doctrine of biblical inerrancy for salvation?

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Speaker 2: I would say zero. You don't have to believe in

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Speaker 2: biblical inerrancy to be saved. In fact, again, maybe I'll

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Speaker 2: backtrack this. I think you can reject biblical inerrancy directly

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Speaker 2: and still be saved. The way to be saved is

676
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Speaker 2: to recognize my sinfulness, to recognize who Jesus is, cry

677
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Speaker 2: out in repentance, and ask God to forgive me. If

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Speaker 2: we believe in that way, we are saved. So in

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Speaker 2: terms of salvation, I don't think biblical inerrancy matters at all.

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Speaker 2: Now for Christian living, That's where I think biblical inerrancy

681
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Speaker 2: is very important now part of me, since I teach

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Speaker 2: at Biola and Talbot, I'm tempted to say it should

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Speaker 2: be a ten, But I don't know if I'm quite

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Speaker 2: ready to land there. I don't know, because I know

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Speaker 2: a lot of Bible believing, faithful Christians who love the

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Speaker 2: Word and live it out in their life and aren't

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Speaker 2: biblical errentists. So if it's not a ten, and it

688
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Speaker 2: might be, I put it awfully close to that because

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Speaker 2: I don't want to crack open the door and say, well,

690
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Speaker 2: there could be an air here, could being an air there.

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Speaker 2: It starts to remove the authority of God and our

692
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Speaker 2: life and put the authority in us to pick and choose.

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Speaker 2: That makes me nervous. Biblically speaking, I don't see Jesus

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Speaker 2: doing that. I don't see Paul doing that. I don't

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Speaker 2: see people doing that through the history of the Church.

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Speaker 2: So I would put it pretty close to at tend

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Speaker 2: for consistent faithful Christian living off the top of my head.

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Speaker 2: Very interesting question by the way. Oh, somebody Goodbye Park

699
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Speaker 2: said please people press like button only fifty one likes.

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Speaker 2: Let's go, folks, get the likes going and again. Oh,

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Speaker 2: we'd love to see Sean and west Huff together. I

702
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Speaker 2: would love to get Wes huff on.

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Speaker 1: He's a friend.

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Speaker 2: I think we're at the event coming up with rus

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Speaker 2: Lawn KB. I will be at that event together. I

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Speaker 2: don't think we're doing something on stage together. I might

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Speaker 2: be doing something with Gavin Ortland there. I think we're

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Speaker 2: figuring it out, but I'd love to have Wes on.

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Speaker 2: He's a rock star. He was just on the Sean

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Speaker 2: Ryan Show amazingly.

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Speaker 1: Check it out.

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Speaker 2: I haven't had a chance to watch it, but we'll

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Speaker 2: get him on here in due time. Honestly, I didn't

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Speaker 2: ask him for a while to come on because everybody

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Speaker 2: was asking him after Rogan. Want to give him a break,

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Speaker 2: but definitely want to get Wes huff on here for sure.

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Speaker 2: Do you having a good resource is another interesting question.

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Speaker 1: Oh by the.

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Speaker 2: Way, make sure you hit like, please and comment. I

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Speaker 2: told my team before I'm gonna read all of these.

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Speaker 1: Is this helpful?

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Speaker 2: Do you want these live on Tuesdays where we could

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Speaker 2: just take your questions or we could take something that

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Speaker 2: happened in the culture that day and talk about it

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Speaker 2: or respond to it. My plan is to have a

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Speaker 2: Talbot professor here with me every Tuesday, and there's some

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Speaker 2: talent professors that are some of the leading scholars in

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Speaker 2: the world, like Clint Arnold on acts, I mean, one

729
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Speaker 2: of the leading in the world on spiritual warfare. We

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Speaker 2: have some top level scholars, So let us know. Do

731
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Speaker 2: you want this every Tuesday? Talbot Tuesdays what would you change?

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Speaker 2: Let us know how helpful this is, because we want

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Speaker 2: this to serve you all right, resources on biblical inerrancy.

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Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on that, but I would definitely

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Speaker 2: say Norm Geisler has done a lot of careful work

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Speaker 2: on biblical inerrancy. I hosted a debate recently with John

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Speaker 2: West and michae Lacona because we're seeing a certain debate

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Speaker 2: or I don't know, fractures the right word within the

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Speaker 2: evangelical world and scholarship about how flexible is the term inerrancy,

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Speaker 2: And a number of scholars point towards more flexibility in

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Speaker 2: it in the author's changing and adapting things for their

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Speaker 2: theological ends. Then there's others that are more conservatives. So

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Speaker 2: John West took kind of a traditional classic view. Michael

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00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 2: ConA pushed back from his perspective based on his recent book.

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Speaker 2: So that might be one you could watch and that

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Speaker 2: would help you kind of make a decision there about

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Speaker 2: biblical ergancy. But I think Geisler has a ton of stuff.

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Speaker 2: People watch this stuff. Gosh, here's a good question, and

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm not going to give you a

750
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Speaker 2: great answer to this one. What blind spots do Western

751
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Speaker 2: apologists often have when speaking to Asian or honor shame cultures.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think one big thing, one big blind spot,

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Speaker 2: is I think we tend to see things so individualistically

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Speaker 2: about me and my relationship with Jesus, and especially in

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Speaker 2: an honor shame culture, there tends to be a real

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Speaker 2: collective understanding of identity. And I've seen this as I've

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Speaker 2: traveled in places around the world like I've seen this.

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Speaker 2: I go to Philippines, go to Singapore, and go to

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Speaker 2: other countries. This Western rugged individualism me and Jesus seems

760
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: to be really common, and we've all got to go

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Speaker 2: out and defind ourselves and really find our own identity

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Speaker 2: is more of a Western thing, and we shift that

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Speaker 2: and fail to read the Bible through the lens of

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Speaker 2: honor shame, even things like the death of Jesus and

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Speaker 2: how we often talk about the physical pain, which I

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Speaker 2: talk about and it's terrific, and I think the physical

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Speaker 2: pain highlights the depth of sin and the cause of death.

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Speaker 2: But kind of realize crucifixion was the most painful and

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Speaker 2: shameful death imaginable. Typically strip naked, put out publicly to

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Speaker 2: be shamed in front of the world. That was one

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Speaker 2: of the worst things imaginable in an honor shame culd

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Speaker 2: So I think in general, to answer question, there's probably

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Speaker 2: a lot of Asian and individuals from honor shame cultures

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Speaker 2: who could answer this way better than I could. But

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Speaker 2: I think we look at things individualistically and we miss

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Speaker 2: the narrative what it means to be a part of

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Speaker 2: an honor shame culture and kind of read different things

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Speaker 2: into the scriptures, like it's me and Jesus. If I

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Speaker 2: miss something, tell me I'd love to know. Okay, let's

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Speaker 2: look at some other questions here. Get a good microphone

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Speaker 2: and make consistent content. Is this microphone not good? I

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Speaker 2: thought I've got a pretty good content here. Let me

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Speaker 2: know if I need to get closer to get louder.

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Speaker 2: It's not a good mike. I'd happy to be work

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Speaker 2: on that. What would you like to see? Let me

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Speaker 2: keep going here, man, it's some interesting questions from the East,

787
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Speaker 2: which I love. Let's go here one this pentecostalism again.

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Speaker 2: Hope someone's defending that fair enough. Maybe I'll let me

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Speaker 2: know if you want me to host a conversation. I'd

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Speaker 2: be happy to host a debate between somebody who believes

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Speaker 2: the Trinity and oneness Pentecostalism, that might be an interesting

792
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Speaker 2: conversation to have. This is very helpful and cool. Awesome,

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Speaker 2: Thanks Laura. How would you best dissuade someone from being

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Speaker 2: a new Age Christian? Well, I would say two things.

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Speaker 2: First off, I would encourage that so called new age

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Speaker 2: Christian to listen to my friend Melissa Doherty. She's a

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Speaker 2: wonderful YouTuber former New Age new Thought, has a wonderful

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Speaker 2: book out on this. Had a chance to interview her

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Speaker 2: about her is a great interview. She talks about this

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Speaker 2: a lot, and so I would encourage this new age Christian.

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Speaker 2: I'd say, watch Melissa already and tell us what you think.

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Speaker 2: The second thing I would do is if I was

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Speaker 2: speaking with a new Age Christian, and you'll find that

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Speaker 2: I do this in a lot of my conversations.

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Speaker 1: Ask questions.

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Speaker 2: Jesus asked between the Gospels and Acts five hundred and

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Speaker 2: forty I'm sorry, three hundred and forty questions. In Paul's writings,

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Speaker 2: we have two hundred and sixty two questions. In the Gospels,

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Speaker 2: there's three thousand questions, questions, questions, questions.

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Speaker 1: So if I have.

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Speaker 2: Somebody and they are a New Age Christian. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to say, tell me what you mean by being a

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Speaker 2: Christian and tell me what you mean by new Age

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Speaker 2: and how you reconcile the two. Clearly, this person doesn't

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Speaker 2: really believe New Age, but this person really doesn't believe

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Speaker 2: the Gospel because they are air reconcilable belief systems. So

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Speaker 2: ask a lot of questions, understand, try to just understand

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Speaker 2: where the person is coming from, and then get to

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Speaker 2: the heart and say, since you describe yourself as a

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Speaker 2: New Age Christian, a Christian is a follower of Jesus,

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Speaker 2: help me understand what Jesus taught that you think would

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Speaker 2: line up with New Age beliefs and.

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Speaker 1: Go to the texts.

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Speaker 2: There are none that in the right context actually teach

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Speaker 2: new Age ideas. And that's because in New Age you

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Speaker 2: find that human beings are a part of God or

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Speaker 2: have divinity within. Jesus taught, like in Mark seven, he

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Speaker 2: taught really clear, that's out of the heart that comes

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Speaker 2: sloth and wickedness and pride and lust and all sorts

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Speaker 2: of sins. So new Age and Christianity have a different

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Speaker 2: view about human nature. New Age and Christianity also have

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Speaker 2: a different view about the understanding of God. What did

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Speaker 2: Jesus believe about God? Well, he clearly believed in the

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Speaker 2: view of God as held through the Jewish scriptures, expanded

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Speaker 2: in him being God in human flesh. Jesus believed in

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Speaker 2: One god Mark chapter twelve, the Lord our God is

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Speaker 2: one New Age what's the New Age view of God?

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Speaker 2: God is not a personal being? On New Age God

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Speaker 2: is a force. So I would ask this individual, since

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Speaker 2: you're New Age Christian, do you believe humans are naturally

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Speaker 2: good and divine as we see in a lot of

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Speaker 2: New Age thought? Do you think good human beings are

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Speaker 2: sinful and corrupt as we see in Jesus? Do you

844
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Speaker 2: think we are all a part of God it's this

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Speaker 2: energy essence that lives Or is God a try personal being,

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Speaker 2: a personal being who exists outside of us who we

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Speaker 2: can have a personal relationship with. There are other differences,

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Speaker 2: but the bottom line is I would ask a lot

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Speaker 2: of questions. I want to know this person means by

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Speaker 2: New Age Christian, and I would try to untangle what

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Speaker 2: it means to be New Age, what it means to

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Speaker 2: be Christian, show the tension between the two, and invite

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Speaker 2: the person to follow what Jesus really taught. That's how

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Speaker 2: I think I would approach that one. All right, I

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Speaker 2: love this type of Q and A thank you. Awesome

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Speaker 2: to hear. Let me keep going here, man, there's a

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Speaker 2: ton of questions. I'm sorry if I miss your questions

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Speaker 2: here again, I might have time for one or two

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Speaker 2: more here, But let us know how helpful is this?

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Speaker 2: you love this every Tuesday? If we did Talbot Tuesday's

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Speaker 2: live Q and A with you, would you attend? Would

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Speaker 2: you prioritize it? What should we do differently? You can

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Speaker 2: come and here on YouTube, or you can email me

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Speaker 2: Sean at Sean McDowell dot org. My team will take

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Speaker 2: a look. We are really trying to serve you in

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Speaker 2: All right, you see that the guy that you did

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Speaker 2: a testimo video on DIT. I think that person is

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Speaker 2: referring to Scott Adams. Maybe that's possible. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: If it's somebody else, send me a note if I

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Speaker 2: missed it. I'd like to know. Let me go back

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Speaker 2: towards the top here what questions am I missing here? Oh,

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Speaker 2: here's an insie one, Hi, doctor McDowell, love what you do?

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Speaker 2: A question I have is what is a pervasive heresy

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Speaker 2: you see in the modern church?

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Speaker 1: Currently? All right? Here we go? Are you ready?

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Speaker 2: I think one of the earliest heresies, or at least

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Speaker 2: false views that was challenging the church is gnosticism. It's

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Speaker 2: gnosticism and narcissism saw the physical world as bad and corrupt,

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Speaker 2: and true identity being in the soul and salvation evolves

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Speaker 2: leaving this fallen physical flesh behind and entering into a spiritual,

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Speaker 2: meaning non physical state. I think the Protestant Church is

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Speaker 2: completely it might be overstated. I think it's deeply influenced

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Speaker 2: by gnosticism. Randy Alcorn talks about this a ton in

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Speaker 2: heaven that we have when it comes to the afterlife.

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Speaker 2: We have a gnostic kind of platonic view that we're

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Speaker 2: just spirits and we're not fleshly, and we're not physical.

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Speaker 2: You see that in heaven. Maybe I'm jumping the gun here.

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Speaker 2: I hope it's okay. But my next book coming out

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Speaker 2: I am co editing, is it's won't be out for

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Speaker 2: a year. We're writing actually going to start writing my

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Speaker 2: first chapter tomorrow, to be honest with you, is co

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Speaker 2: writing it with johnstone Street. We're calling it Reframing Reframing Sexuality,

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Speaker 2: and the idea is that it's a Protestant the evangelical

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Speaker 2: theology of the body. I think Catholics have a much

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Speaker 2: more robust and arguably biblical and consistent theology of the

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Speaker 2: body against gnosticism. Now this doesn't mean I'm going to

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Speaker 2: agree with Catholics on everything. When we get to birth

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Speaker 2: control and some of those differences is not my point.

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Speaker 2: That's a separate conversation we could have. But I think

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Speaker 2: a big heresy in the Church, which when it comes

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Speaker 2: to sexuality, is we we really downplay the body. And

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Speaker 2: I'll keep this vague because it's not the conversation. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if kids are listening when it comes to

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Speaker 2: certain sexual behavior. I've asked a lot of evangelical experts

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Speaker 2: and the answer is kind of like, if you pray

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Speaker 2: about it, and if you have a clear conscience in

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Speaker 2: your mind, almost anything you do physically with your spouse

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Speaker 2: is okay. When I hear those kind of answers, I

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Speaker 2: think this is kind of a Gnostic view that ignores

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Speaker 2: the fact that the body means something. It's been designed

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Speaker 2: for certain purpose. We actually communicate more with our bodies

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Speaker 2: I think this is an important harassing the church is

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Speaker 2: when it comes to issues like transgenderism today, which roots

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Speaker 2: identity in my soul. So somebody would say I'm a

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Speaker 2: man trapped in a woman's body. My soul defines me,

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Speaker 2: not my body. That's a certain gnostic kind of belief.

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Speaker 2: So I think the Protestant or Evangelical church has had

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Speaker 2: transgender ideas. But we've bought into many, let's just say,

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Speaker 2: gnostic ideas about the self, and it's left us without

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Speaker 2: a robust way of responding. So there's plenty of other heresies,

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Speaker 2: but that's one that comes to mind, and when I'm

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Speaker 2: I see a ton more questions here. Thank you for watching,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your question. Seriously, please take a minute. You

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