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Speaker 3: All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's August fifth,
Speaker 3: and it would be a Wednesday, which means last night
Speaker 3: we had the Michigan Primary and everybody was watching for
Speaker 3: the hotly contested Democrat side of the Ledger Mike Rodgers
Speaker 3: was uncontested on the Republican side. But it looks like
Speaker 3: it was a lot closer than we anticipated it. But
Speaker 3: Abdul Elseiah did, I believe pull it off, barring any surprises.
Speaker 3: But that's the race has been called by the New
Speaker 3: York Times and others. He won forty eight point foury
Speaker 3: eight percent to forty seven point five to one percent,
Speaker 3: a difference really of about I mean, it's it's razor thin.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's what is that fourteen fifteen thousand votes
Speaker 3: separating them. The polling had this thing at like maybe
Speaker 3: ten right, it was going to be a ten point
Speaker 3: fifteen points, maybe fifteen. And so because there was so
Speaker 3: much irregularities, I wanted to bring on an actual polster
Speaker 3: right at the jump. Here, Mark Mitchell. He's a head
Speaker 3: polster at the honest polling company. Mark, good to have
Speaker 3: you back, my friend. There's so many irregularities here. And
Speaker 3: I want to get into this Trump tweet because he
Speaker 3: and me talked before the show. I think I misinterpreted it,
Speaker 3: but directionally we're kind of getting the same thing. But
Speaker 3: maybe it's slightly a different conclusion here. I'm going to
Speaker 3: read it and then you have I'm going to have
Speaker 3: you react to it. So Wayne County Detroit in Michigan
Speaker 3: is one of the most corrupt voting areas in the
Speaker 3: United States, if not the world. It is strictly third World.
Speaker 3: No arguments yet, right, Mark, we're all in agreement with
Speaker 3: the boss about all that. Yeah, miracles happened in Wayne County,
Speaker 3: including more votes being gassed than there are voters by
Speaker 3: a lot. Therefore, the communist who has not liked in
Speaker 3: Detroit is potentially in vote counter trouble. The radical left
Speaker 3: socialist has a real shot, And don't discount all of
Speaker 3: those fake mail in ballots that will surprisingly show up
Speaker 3: at the last moment. Get ready for another rigged election
Speaker 3: in November. We must vote for Mike Rogers and make
Speaker 3: Michigan too big to rig. So I interpreted this as
Speaker 3: there was funniness afoot in Michigan. There was the establishment
Speaker 3: Dems came out. They did not want Abdul l Sied
Speaker 3: to win. They wanted Hailey Stevens to win, and they
Speaker 3: tried to rig it, and they tried to rig it
Speaker 3: in some weird ways. Because some of this stuff just
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense, Mark, And I'm not sure what
Speaker 3: the president means then, but you tell me what you
Speaker 3: think he means and why he's got it a little
Speaker 3: bit wrong here.
Speaker 1: Well, so we got a break down. We'll go with
Speaker 1: the end. First, he says, vote Mike Rogers, Okay, are
Speaker 1: good there? Vote for the Republican. The Democrats shouldn't win
Speaker 1: in Michigan. But he's tweeting because he's upset with the
Speaker 1: response of what happened last night? Well, what's he upset about?
Speaker 1: Syed won and it seems like he would have preferred
Speaker 1: Stevens to win, which is why he's objecting to what
Speaker 1: happens with the electioneering, right, And that's wild and totally
Speaker 1: in congruos because, like what you said, the polling overwhelmingly
Speaker 1: said that Syed was going to win. The prediction markets
Speaker 1: both had him at like ninety nine to one. The
Speaker 1: fact that it was a one point race is actually
Speaker 1: kind of Nutso it would be one of the biggest
Speaker 1: polling like misses of the industry that I can recall
Speaker 1: off the top of my head. And this isn't like
Speaker 1: New Jersey where you know, hey, it's a special election
Speaker 1: and it's just after twenty four and there weren't that
Speaker 1: many people that pulled it, and so of course we
Speaker 1: were surprised. No, this is like a lot of people
Speaker 1: were interested in this race, and good pollsters. You guys
Speaker 1: said fifteen percent. Emerson is a good and you know
Speaker 1: they missed. Sometimes it's hard. It's getting harder and harder
Speaker 1: with all of this money, with all the electioneering, with
Speaker 1: the machine problems that we haven't fixed, with the increase
Speaker 1: in mail in ballots, And so I look at that
Speaker 1: race and I say, well, what do we know so far?
Speaker 1: There was a huge turnout, There was a really big
Speaker 1: mail interurnout, and Syed massively underperformed the polling. And so
Speaker 1: what I'm looking at then is why did Syed underperform
Speaker 1: the polling? Well, he was out competed. Stevens had a
Speaker 1: ton of money. They were probably doing the things that
Speaker 1: Democrats do and Democrat states to get their establishment candidate
Speaker 1: to win because she is the establishment candidate, which was
Speaker 1: probably handing out packs of cigarettes in the inner city
Speaker 1: and driving mail in ballots around to the like nursing homes,
Speaker 1: like all of the things that we know about happen.
Speaker 1: I think that's what happened. And so I mean Trump's
Speaker 1: upset that the establishment Democrat won because now you're going
Speaker 1: to have a DSA candidate, let's be real, the establishment Republican.
Speaker 1: And that will be really the first time we see
Speaker 1: a race like that in a statewide race in a
Speaker 1: purple state. So I think the twenty sixth race for
Speaker 1: Michigan Senate and all of a sudden got really interested.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, this is what's interesting. So you
Speaker 3: talk about electioneering, we know the Democrats do this stuff.
Speaker 3: We know they play games, They packed you know, these
Speaker 3: mail ins and these all of this stuff. So he
Speaker 3: lost early city vote by fifty points, like that doesn't
Speaker 3: make any sense. Usually the more progressive candidate wins it.
Speaker 3: This tells me that establishment Dems, especially in some of
Speaker 3: these black urban cores, they didn't like Elsi ed and
Speaker 3: they were working against him, doing all the Shenanigans that
Speaker 3: we are now so accustomed to. Mark, am I wrong here?
Speaker 1: No, you're one hundred percent right. And again like there's
Speaker 1: an aspect of this that we'll just never know. Looking
Speaker 1: for instance, at the Emerson crossed tabs and polling's not perfect,
Speaker 1: and the the sub samples excuse my dog for black
Speaker 1: vote is probably small in his big margins, Bear, but
Speaker 1: their poll had Stevens winning by forty among black voters.
Speaker 1: And then you look at inner city, you know, districts
Speaker 1: in Detroit, and it's like, okay, they're coming in fifty,
Speaker 1: they're coming in higher than that in some places. Probably
Speaker 1: you have Cliburne that was shilling for the establishment candidate
Speaker 1: probably out there, Like knows how some of these electioneering
Speaker 1: rackets work. I'm not accusing anybody anything. So I think
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear like what probably happened. And we're seeing
Speaker 1: these kinds of things in other races too, where a
Speaker 1: lot of money gets poured in to help shore up
Speaker 1: an establishment candidate or ensure that they win. Yeah, and again,
Speaker 1: like you know, Sayad's crazy, Like yes, we should not
Speaker 1: defund the police, right, Like obviously he's crazy. But the
Speaker 1: problem that the Republicans have to wrestle with is that
Speaker 1: he's going to moderate and he's not going to run
Speaker 1: on that stuff, and he's going to run like mom Donnie,
Speaker 1: which is just like, hey, let me give you a
Speaker 1: big economic hub. I'm here to help save you and
Speaker 1: fix things. And it's bad for the youth. That's going
Speaker 1: to appeal to people.
Speaker 4: Well, I want to ask a speculative question mark, which
Speaker 4: is there was also there weren't super competitive Republican races,
Speaker 4: so their turnout was lower. But they had a primary
Speaker 4: for District eight, that's the Flint area, and there was
Speaker 4: a candidate who dropped out, had stopped campaigning, Thomas Smith,
Speaker 4: and he actually defeated pretty easily, like seventeen points here
Speaker 4: Amir Hassan, who was the endorsed candidate by President Trump.
Speaker 4: And so I guess it's worth asking do you think
Speaker 4: this is some sort of name factor where people are
Speaker 4: getting spooked by these more Islamic sounding names and could
Speaker 4: that end up playing a role in the general election
Speaker 4: where we have Mike Rogers super generic, you know, English
Speaker 4: sounding name versus Abdul Al said, So.
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and provide what I think are
Speaker 1: like the core you know, logic that applies to all
Speaker 1: all these races when we look at them is that
Speaker 1: you have your firm, straight ticket Republican base voter and
Speaker 1: you have your firm straight ticket Republican Democrat voter. They're
Speaker 1: kind of two different people. The Democrat just wants to win.
Speaker 1: They don't really care so much about the candidate. The
Speaker 1: Republican would like to see the Republican do something. And
Speaker 1: because of that, and because traditionally Republicans don't do as much,
Speaker 1: there are less of those people. There are less of
Speaker 1: the core. We know this, like we saw this nationwide electorally.
Speaker 1: But what there are is this surge volume of people
Speaker 1: who are a lot more malleable and less ideological, and
Speaker 1: they don't care about things as much like the muslimsky.
Speaker 1: It's going to turn them off. So if you're going
Speaker 1: with those people, you have to have a strategy.
Speaker 3: All right, Mark, I want to get into two things now,
Speaker 3: and that is the c SPAN caller is this This
Speaker 3: clip is just gold and I have to play it
Speaker 3: because I think there's lessons for the Republican side on
Speaker 3: this as well. And then I want to talk about
Speaker 3: how brutal this primary was. And you already got Hassan
Speaker 3: Piker saying we're not gonna mend fences. These guys were
Speaker 3: calling him a terrorist and all this stuff. So there's
Speaker 3: I think some opportunity to exploit that. Let's go ahead
Speaker 3: and start with this. Sod eleven. This is c SPAN
Speaker 3: College's nineteen years old call her named Brooks. Play eleven Brooks.
Speaker 5: Did you vote today?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 7: I voted today. I voted for Abdul Alsai. I like
Speaker 7: a lot of his policies, Medicare for all. But what
Speaker 7: really convinced me is I've seen Hailey Stevens talk far
Speaker 7: more passionately about her support for Israel than anything she
Speaker 7: has for Michigan. So I feel voting for her would
Speaker 7: leave blood on my hands and I can't do that.
Speaker 1: And how old are you, Brooks?
Speaker 7: I'm nineteen. It was my first election, very excited to
Speaker 7: vote for abdul al said.
Speaker 3: So, I guess the question is Mark, and I know
Speaker 3: that you and Rich and some others have basically been saying, hey,
Speaker 3: this a pac money has become toxic. Whether it's right
Speaker 3: or wrong, whether it's justified or not. You know a
Speaker 3: lot of people think of it, think of it as lobbying,
Speaker 3: for a foreign country. We have to correct the record
Speaker 3: that these are Jewish Americans, right, But they are interested
Speaker 3: in Israel. So it's maybe it's a distinction without a
Speaker 3: difference on some levels. But how prevalent is this when
Speaker 3: you're polling, especially gen Z, anybody under forty or maybe
Speaker 3: even fifty, And how much does this bleed into how
Speaker 3: Mike Rogers should message on this topic.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a lot to answer. First off, you're not
Speaker 1: going to see people put foreign policy very high on
Speaker 1: their list of interests when they go to vote. It's
Speaker 1: just not It's like six seventh or eighth whenever you
Speaker 1: stack rank these things. But Israel is an issue, and
Speaker 1: I would really bring up two issues. There's capitalism versus
Speaker 1: socialism and Israel. And the reason that these young people
Speaker 1: are going towards you know, candidates like this is because
Speaker 1: they think that older people are too focused on Israel,
Speaker 1: and they think that people aren't focused on their economic
Speaker 1: lively and that's the big one. So overwhelmingly, economy's the
Speaker 1: number one issue the young voters. I could just rattle
Speaker 1: off a ton of polling about how they think the
Speaker 1: entire system is cooked against them, and what's really wild
Speaker 1: is that most under forty voters, including Trump voters, people
Speaker 1: that voted for Trump, overwhelmingly support things that sound really socialist,
Speaker 1: like nationalizing industries or confiscating excess wealth. These are people
Speaker 1: who call themselves conservatives. I think it was over fifty
Speaker 1: percent of under forty Trump voters in one of our
Speaker 1: polls said that they would actually vote for a socialist candidate.
Speaker 1: So the problem is an optics and messaging problem for
Speaker 1: the right, okay, And things, in my opinion that aren't
Speaker 1: going to work are putting is real first, or accusing
Speaker 1: other people of being a socialist. Young people don't really
Speaker 1: aren't scared by that. And even I don't think the
Speaker 1: xenophobia stuff like we talked about before the break is
Speaker 1: going to be very effective because I think these people
Speaker 1: want to be put first and are expecting authenticity and
Speaker 1: quite frankly, the maturity to get into government and sort
Speaker 1: of like deliver on what you promised and what that
Speaker 1: needs to be if you want to capture the under Really,
Speaker 1: it's the under fifty voter now, in my opinion, is
Speaker 1: national economic populism. And I said this message to Trump
Speaker 1: last fall, and I wish there had been more listening
Speaker 1: and maybe now it's too late. I don't know. But
Speaker 1: what you need to give these people is something to
Speaker 1: vote for a reason that Republicans long term will fix
Speaker 1: the problems that are structurally affecting young people in America.
Speaker 1: And that means providing some kind of meaningful alternative to socialism.
Speaker 1: And it ain't just more of the same, like Granddaddy's
Speaker 1: capitalism is not going to win. It might win for
Speaker 1: a little longer, as long as you keep dumping advertising
Speaker 1: into the boomer linear television slots. But there's going to
Speaker 1: be a tipping point, and the young people aren't going
Speaker 1: to be fighting the same right left battle that the older,
Speaker 1: more ideological generations are. It's going to be over putting
Speaker 1: themselves first and getting what they want. And unfortunately for Israel,
Speaker 1: they made themselves a pretty big whipping boy over this.
Speaker 1: And I tried to say this was going to be
Speaker 1: a problem. But and my advice for Trump wasn't like,
Speaker 1: don't do the Iran strike. It's make sure that you
Speaker 1: show people that you're still putting their economic situation first
Speaker 1: despite whatever else you do. And they would let him
Speaker 1: get away with whatever. I mean, nobody really cared about Venezuela.
Speaker 1: We were in and out and we were still focused on,
Speaker 1: you know, the economy and the domestic policy agenda.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and listen, I think this what everything you're saying,
Speaker 3: I basically, you know, I think there's really well articulated there,
Speaker 3: and none of this should be interpreted as anti Israel
Speaker 3: or anti Semitic. No, I think we you know it
Speaker 3: bears repeating. We think that stuff is brain rot and
Speaker 3: it's garbage from the pit of hell. But when we're
Speaker 3: talking about pure politics, it's important to understand what young
Speaker 3: people are hearing, how they're interpreting it, and what they're
Speaker 3: voting on. And your message here, I totally agree, is economy, economy, economy,
Speaker 3: What are my felt realities? And we could tell people
Speaker 3: they have to cook their own burritos and they need
Speaker 3: to cook from home all they want, But at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, things are expensive, and that's not
Speaker 3: necessarily Trump's fault. I think he deserves a lot of
Speaker 3: credit for bringing inflation back down, especially when you're navigating
Speaker 3: the complexities of the Iran war. But the felt, the
Speaker 3: felt situation for many young people especially is that we
Speaker 3: just are not getting what we hoped we would get.
Speaker 3: And maybe those expectations were unrealistic, but that is a
Speaker 3: lived experience and that has political ramifications. So we just
Speaker 3: need a message on it. We need we need big
Speaker 3: national messaging pr battles on this front about what we're
Speaker 3: doing to address the problems domestically. Okay, I've only got
Speaker 3: I've only got a few seconds here, so I want
Speaker 3: to hit this last point. There is carnage after this
Speaker 3: primary mark on the Democrat side, and I think we
Speaker 3: need to take a note of it. Here's a Hassan
Speaker 3: Piker talking about mending bridges. He doesn't like it. It's
Speaker 3: not six like everyone being like Abdullah's a ton of
Speaker 3: work to do mending bridges. Here's the take nuke for you.
Speaker 6: Okay, you are.
Speaker 3: All unbelievably islamophobic pieces. Okay, so we're not getting conciliatory
Speaker 3: messaging from the chief LSI ED pusher, Hassan Piker. Here,
Speaker 3: what can Republicans do to exploit this mark one minute?
Speaker 1: No, I think they can learn from the situation that
Speaker 1: what you're seeing is playing out on both the right
Speaker 1: and the left right now. There are people, intractable people
Speaker 1: in both sides who are fighting over basically Israel and
Speaker 1: the economy. And when I say the economy, it's not
Speaker 1: just prices, it's the idea that the entire economic system
Speaker 1: is cooked against the younger people. This happened before binding inflation.
Speaker 1: Remember Bernie Sanders is doing very well with young people
Speaker 1: long before the inflation was a problem. So what we
Speaker 1: have is an issue where the workers aren't being represented.
Speaker 1: There's too much globalism, financialization and rent seeking have ruined everything.
Speaker 1: And right now again, I think that's the biggest opportunity
Speaker 1: because it was a natural extension of Trump's platform, which
Speaker 1: is to realize we have to change the way the
Speaker 1: economy works for people in this country. You can laugh
Speaker 1: at his ham piker. I don't know how like effective
Speaker 1: it's going to be, but we have the same people
Speaker 1: that are trying to purify through subtraction, which is a
Speaker 1: term me and Rich both came up with. It's not
Speaker 1: an effective strategy to build a coalition.
Speaker 3: Mark Mitchell, great stuff, head polster at the Honest Polling Company.
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Speaker 3: we're sad to lose them from the Senate, but given
Speaker 3: how crazy the Senate is getting, I can imagine that selfishly,
Speaker 3: you are probably looking forward to a change of pace
Speaker 3: their senator, So we got to talk about it. You are,
Speaker 3: mister Sharia, you are fighting it at every turn. We
Speaker 3: now have an Abdul lsa Ed who is the Democrat
Speaker 3: primary winner in Michigan. He's a man of Egyptian descent.
Speaker 3: He spent his summers in Egypt. He talked about that
Speaker 3: last night, and he's a radical communist and he's gonna
Speaker 3: be the Democrat standard bar in that state up against
Speaker 3: Mike Rogers.
Speaker 8: Your take, sir, The enemy is inside the gate and
Speaker 8: they're coming hard. And unfortunately, our education system has pushed
Speaker 8: a lot of our younger kids. And then of course
Speaker 8: we have Democrats that are actually democrats, but there are followers,
Speaker 8: they're not leaders, and they're following this socialist communists agenda
Speaker 8: to a t and we're fighting it every day here,
Speaker 8: but we don't have enough fighters on our side, on
Speaker 8: the Republican side, you know, we we think everything's gonna
Speaker 8: run on autopilot and it's gonna be okay. If we
Speaker 8: don't straighten out this country's voting, if we don't straighten
Speaker 8: out this country's immigration system, we're not gonna make it.
Speaker 8: It's gonna be over with. And as you said, I'm
Speaker 8: gonna go back to Alabia. Hey, we might build a
Speaker 8: thirty foot wall around our state because I know what's coming.
Speaker 8: I can see it coming, I can hear it coming.
Speaker 8: I can you know, you can just smell it out
Speaker 8: there that they want to take this country over and
Speaker 8: they're not. You know, they're a lot more aggressive than
Speaker 8: we are as Americans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right. So this is this is
Speaker 3: Abdul lsa Ed talking about his American experience SOT four.
Speaker 9: I know what America gave me.
Speaker 3: I spend summers in Egypt.
Speaker 10: I got my medical education paid for by the NIH
Speaker 10: and at the same time, growing up just fifteen minutes
Speaker 10: away from me, children whose families had been here far
Speaker 10: longer than mine, who never got those same opportunities.
Speaker 3: So he's talking about economics, he's talking about medicare for all,
Speaker 3: he's talking about making things more affordable. This is their messaging,
Speaker 3: but it's all going to lead to disaster. It's been
Speaker 3: tried time and time again. But there's a couple issues. Senator.
Speaker 3: We have economic illiteracy with so many young people. It's
Speaker 3: just a fact. I mean, I've talked to them. These
Speaker 3: are good kids, they're good patriots, they love their country.
Speaker 3: They just don't they don't understand. I'll never forget. We
Speaker 3: were doing a round table for our chapter leadership summit,
Speaker 3: and one of the girls around the table, Senator said
Speaker 3: that maybe a solution was increasing the minimum wage, as
Speaker 3: if that would have any practical impact on anything other
Speaker 3: than making things more expensive. But this is a problem
Speaker 3: because this message is rosy, and I'm worried that we
Speaker 3: are not, as Republicans countering it with a positive vision
Speaker 3: of how our ideas are actually the ones that are
Speaker 3: going to work. And I'm worried we're not focused enough
Speaker 3: on that. Your tech, Yeah, well, we don't have a
Speaker 3: game plan.
Speaker 8: I mean, there's no plan intact up here from the
Speaker 8: federal government that takes this back to our kids all
Speaker 8: over the country and explains to them the difference between socialism, communism,
Speaker 8: and being a capitalist country. They don't realize how good
Speaker 8: we have it here now. I can understand a lot
Speaker 8: of them going to these universities and getting a degree
Speaker 8: in sociology and spending one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 8: or barring one hundred and fifty thousand dollars and getting
Speaker 8: out and they can't get a job at Walmart because
Speaker 8: they didn't get a degree that actually you can get
Speaker 8: a job. Our universities have become a business instead of
Speaker 8: an educational institution. They want to make money. They enable
Speaker 8: all these woke professors that have been there for years
Speaker 8: that are on tenure to preach whatever they want to preach,
Speaker 8: and they're not controlled. So we got a lot of problems.
Speaker 8: And President Trump wants to take education out of the
Speaker 8: federal government. He's exactly right. We have to do that.
Speaker 8: If we don't, that's going to be a continuation of
Speaker 8: just indoctrinating these kids in this woke ideology. But again
Speaker 8: that and then immigration, of letting these people come here
Speaker 8: from country to agree that that have no clue. This
Speaker 8: guy says, we deserve nine to eleven. What it's what's
Speaker 8: been twenty five years? It hadn't been that long ago.
Speaker 8: What are you talking about? And when I got my
Speaker 8: degree because of NIH? Who you think paid for your degree?
Speaker 8: Capitalists in this country paid money, tax money, and NIH
Speaker 8: has stolen it for years and given it to people
Speaker 8: all over the world. It is we've got a broken system.
Speaker 8: The federal gunment's broken. President Trump's trying to put it
Speaker 8: back together, but unfortunately he's been fought from both sides,
Speaker 8: from Republicans and Democrats.
Speaker 4: Coach Turberville, I think it's We had a writer on
Speaker 4: Helen Andrews yesterday and she talked about what should really
Speaker 4: frighten us is how easy these figures like Hassan Piker,
Speaker 4: like Elsaiaed, these guys who their parents weren't born here,
Speaker 4: maybe they themselves weren't born here, but how adept they
Speaker 4: are at using this lingo of white supremacy of America
Speaker 4: as a racist country as America because the nation that
Speaker 4: needs to atone and pay reparations, especially to people like
Speaker 4: themselves or their parents or their kids who only recently
Speaker 4: arrived here. And we were also discussing this in context.
Speaker 4: We still have Republicans on Capitol Hill who say we
Speaker 4: need more guest workers, more migration from the Third World.
Speaker 4: We're basically sticking our head into a noose here of
Speaker 4: let's bring in people who are adopting this rhetoric of
Speaker 4: let's destroy America, and we're just.
Speaker 9: Feeding it to them.
Speaker 4: And it's so easy for them to build their entire
Speaker 4: lives and now win elections around it.
Speaker 9: Like who are they fooling?
Speaker 8: Yeah, we're walking into a war zone without a gun,
Speaker 8: and there's nobody fighting back.
Speaker 6: Everybody, let me tell you what happens up here.
Speaker 8: We're more worried right now about going out and campaigning
Speaker 8: and trying to keep a majority than we are doing
Speaker 8: what we should do. How about we take care of
Speaker 8: the American people. Don't worry about getting elected. I mean,
Speaker 8: we don't try to play to win up here. All
Speaker 8: we try to do is and that has gotten us
Speaker 8: in trouble. We should be passing everything in the world,
Speaker 8: bust to filibuster, because folks, it is coming when they
Speaker 8: get control, and it's not gonna be too far down
Speaker 8: the road with the people we have elected now up
Speaker 8: here in the Senate and the House. By the way,
Speaker 8: that we're going to be controlled by these communists, and
Speaker 8: it's gonna be game, set match.
Speaker 6: I mean, we are we're on the last leg.
Speaker 8: I mean, this is not where this could happen thirty
Speaker 8: forty fifty years from now. It's gonna happen a year
Speaker 8: or two now if we don't understand what is happening.
Speaker 8: But again, we got too many people that love power.
Speaker 8: We got too many people that are greedy. We have
Speaker 8: too many people that really don't understand anything other than
Speaker 8: I just want to come back up here. I want
Speaker 8: to I want to have my name as a or
Speaker 8: a senator.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and that's true. They want they want
Speaker 3: the title, but we can't even get Republicans to stay
Speaker 3: in DC during the August recess. Now throw up one
Speaker 3: eighty two. You are proudly one of these people. And
Speaker 3: by the way, if you weren't, anybody who's not calling
Speaker 3: to cancel the August Recess is not allowed on this
Speaker 3: show right now, I mean probably ever. But throw the
Speaker 3: image up here. That's a good chunk of the GOP
Speaker 3: in the Senate. And yet we can't get a leader
Speaker 3: soon to get behind this effort and get the Save
Speaker 3: America Act pass. Let's play cut thirteen.
Speaker 11: First is there are no Democrats we're going to vote
Speaker 11: for this. All forty seven voted against the Save Act
Speaker 11: five times. So let's make this an issue in the campaign.
Speaker 11: How about we go out and turn our fire on
Speaker 11: Democrats and make it about them opposing the Save Act.
Speaker 11: So we're not that's the point. So we're not getting
Speaker 11: any Democrats. The second thing is we are not getting
Speaker 11: rid of the legislator philibusterer. The votes aren't there to
Speaker 11: do that. I've made it abundantly clear, many many times,
Speaker 11: and it seems to me some days that I'm the
Speaker 11: only one here can count to fifty in this town.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just hear that, and I just hear it,
Speaker 3: just get my blood boiling. I'm gonna be honest. We
Speaker 3: have had a trifecta of Republican control in the House,
Speaker 3: Senate and the White House five times in the last century,
Speaker 3: five times most of the time. It's two years since,
Speaker 3: and he wants to use it for the next election.
Speaker 3: Has he not looked at the polling we've got like
Speaker 3: time is short. I cannot, for the life of me
Speaker 3: wrap my head around what the hell he's talking about.
Speaker 3: Cancel the August recess. And I'm sorry to get worked up,
Speaker 3: but this is just I've been This has been building
Speaker 3: up in me for so long. Senator, I know you
Speaker 3: got to keep things collegial because it's what you senators
Speaker 3: kind of have to do. But what is going on?
Speaker 3: Why can we not cancel the stink in August recess?
Speaker 8: Well, first of all, there's a lot of Trump derangement
Speaker 8: syndrome up here. They want the country to stay the
Speaker 8: way it was. They don't understand how how it's changing
Speaker 8: underneath us as we speak. I mean, there's a war
Speaker 8: going on out there. This is not the America that
Speaker 8: we knew just five, six, seven years ago. This is
Speaker 8: totally changed. And the president he sees it, he sees it. Okay,
Speaker 8: you know things have to change here. You got to
Speaker 8: bust to philibuster. The only way we're going to keep
Speaker 8: majority is bust to philibuster. Pass everything we possibly can
Speaker 8: at fifty one, get the country back on track because
Speaker 8: when and if they do eventually they went, they're going
Speaker 8: to bust to philibuster. The only way, Yeah, the only
Speaker 8: way we can get reelected up here is do something
Speaker 8: for the American people. Let me tell you something. People
Speaker 8: are going to fight their tails off. If we go
Speaker 8: on recess at the end of this week, we will
Speaker 8: not come back until the middle of September. Then we'll
Speaker 8: go two weeks and then we're going again for another month,
Speaker 8: and then we have the mid terms. It's gonna be game,
Speaker 8: set match. You know they're looking at us, going, we
Speaker 8: gave the majority and you're not doing anything.
Speaker 3: Was of course again, yeah, and why exactly Listen. I
Speaker 3: am of the perspective that the Democrats are unacceptable. Okay,
Speaker 3: this country cannot absorb another three to five million illegals
Speaker 3: every year under the Democrat rule. Okay, we can't. We can't,
Speaker 3: so that that is out of the option list. Okay,
Speaker 3: they have lost their minds. The are a bunch of communists.
Speaker 3: Obviously that's unacceptable. But for the love Republicans, if you
Speaker 3: don't do your job, people in the middle normies, people
Speaker 3: that are not clued in, are not gonna come out
Speaker 3: and vote for you if you don't deliver. If you
Speaker 3: want to get elected again, deliver for the people. We're
Speaker 3: out here screaming and hollering, begging these people in the
Speaker 3: DC to listen to us, and I got like you
Speaker 3: and Mike Lee I just I cannot wrap my head
Speaker 3: around at Centater. It's so frustrating. I know you're not
Speaker 3: done railing against the Save America Act, the fact that
Speaker 3: we can't get this done, so the floor is your, sir.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, it's mind boggling to me how we even
Speaker 8: have Republicans are against this one set as draconian.
Speaker 6: Let me explain it this way.
Speaker 8: Since I've been here, there's about twelve to fourteen states
Speaker 8: in this country we will never win as conservative to Christians, constitutionalists,
Speaker 8: we're not gonna win. They cheat the heck out of us.
Speaker 8: They're all rigged, and there's over a dozen of them.
Speaker 8: And so those states will never get a congressman, will
Speaker 8: never get up a senator obviously, won't get a governor.
Speaker 8: But the end of the day, if you look at this,
Speaker 8: it's growing a couple two, three, possibly a year.
Speaker 6: We're gonna get to a.
Speaker 8: Point we're not gonna have any majorities in this country.
Speaker 8: So we're gonna get run over. So that's a reason
Speaker 8: we have to And in the past she probably didn't
Speaker 8: need federal oversight of these elections, but you do now
Speaker 8: because these people are bound determined to cheat at every turn,
Speaker 8: and so that's the reason we need.
Speaker 6: To Save America Act.
Speaker 8: Now we're gonna have one shot at it, I think
Speaker 8: possibly this weekend, and we're gonna do a reconciliation of
Speaker 8: trying to get a supplemental for the military, which they
Speaker 8: need about sixty billion dollars, and we're gonna try to
Speaker 8: connect it with that. Now, somehow, someway, we'll have to
Speaker 8: word it where the parliamentarian will keep it in there. Now,
Speaker 8: this parliamentary is a Democrat. She should have been fired
Speaker 8: when we took over, but we didn't do it. It
Speaker 8: was a I think a Harry Reid appointment. But we
Speaker 8: can fire the parliamentarian and if she doesn't go along
Speaker 8: with this, our leader gon Thune needs to fire immediately
Speaker 8: because that's what happened. Trent Lott fired a parliamentarian when
Speaker 8: she didn't agree with or he didn't agree with him
Speaker 8: years ago and got something across the finish line, we
Speaker 8: better start playing hardball here, because we're playing softball. We're
Speaker 8: playing Oh, we're mister nice guy. The hell with that.
Speaker 8: We have to start playing hardball and get to save
Speaker 8: America across the line. It will not make a lot
Speaker 8: of difference in this election. Coming up, but the years
Speaker 8: to come, if we don't, we're going to lose more
Speaker 8: and more of these states that are going to figure
Speaker 8: this out and how to cheat, how to change balance,
Speaker 8: do the things they need to do.
Speaker 6: And this country will be gone.
Speaker 4: I actually would disagree with you on this election, Coach Tubervelt,
Speaker 4: for one very important reason which I think Andrew you'd agree.
Speaker 4: We've been hearing about this all year, the Save of
Speaker 4: America Act. President Trump has been touting it. We've heard
Speaker 4: Republican senators, some of the ones who are now slow
Speaker 4: playing it or saying we can't pass it.
Speaker 9: We're making noise. Oh yeah, we're gonna we're working on this.
Speaker 4: We think we can find a way to get it through.
Speaker 4: And they've just done these delay tactics, delay tactics, delay
Speaker 4: tactics all year. And if they get all the way
Speaker 4: to election day and it's not passed, and everyone decides
Speaker 4: they were lying to us this whole year, it's going
Speaker 4: to murder our turnout. They you practically at this point,
Speaker 4: I think, have an obligation to pass it or the
Speaker 4: entire base is.
Speaker 9: Going to feel like they were cheated.
Speaker 3: And I say, Coach, you know, you go back to
Speaker 3: that Thoon clip. He's saying, am I the only one
Speaker 3: in Washington who can count to fifty? No, sir, that
Speaker 3: is an idiotic thing to say in a microphone. Okay,
Speaker 3: first of all, Second of all, just do the dang vote.
Speaker 3: Just do it. Go out on the floor and do
Speaker 3: the talking filibuster likes Senator Lee has been proposing, and
Speaker 3: put names on the board so we know who to
Speaker 3: primary next. If you're going to vote against this, and
Speaker 3: then I want to know. Okay, that's and by the way,
Speaker 3: the American people deserve that, they deserve the transparency. Go
Speaker 3: show that you actually are willing to let the process
Speaker 3: play out even if you don't have the votes. Stop
Speaker 3: covering for these cowards and make them put their name
Speaker 3: on the line.
Speaker 6: I totally agree with you. Now.
Speaker 8: The last time we put it for a vote was
Speaker 8: in reconciliation back in June. I think Lindsey Graham had
Speaker 8: it as an amendment, and we got forty nine votes.
Speaker 8: We made progress, We made progress, We got forty nine.
Speaker 8: We can add more. But again, at the end of
Speaker 8: the day, it's either got to be a fifty one vote.
Speaker 8: We can't get sixty because none of these idiots on
Speaker 8: the Democrat side are ever going to vote for it.
Speaker 8: But we can get to fifty one through reconciliation. If
Speaker 8: we just press people and let them know how important
Speaker 8: it is. They'll start hearing from people back home. But
Speaker 8: if you don't vote, vote on it, like you said,
Speaker 8: then your constituents don't know who's against it. And so
Speaker 8: this weekend will be a big test. It'll be a big, big,
Speaker 8: big days a country, I would say Friday or Saturday.
Speaker 8: And Ron Johnson wants a reconciliation. He's the new budget chair,
Speaker 8: taken over for Lindsey Graham. He said he'll run the floor,
Speaker 8: he'll do it the right way, and I think we'd
Speaker 8: have a great chance.
Speaker 6: Again. We got to have a leader stand up and
Speaker 6: say enough so enough of this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, coach, this is the problem, I think.
Speaker 3: And I'm just being cards on the table. I've called
Speaker 3: for him to be removed now and I think he's
Speaker 3: earned every bit of that. And but here's the deal.
Speaker 3: If you don't actually call the vote, if you don't
Speaker 3: do the things, then you're just a coward that's covering
Speaker 3: up for other cowards. Okay, I don't care if you
Speaker 3: don't have the votes, we want the vote to happen,
Speaker 3: and we want to see who's voting against the interests
Speaker 3: of the base. We want to see who is betraying conservatives.
Speaker 3: Because you're right, time is short. People don't understand what
Speaker 3: we're up against, the demographic landslide that we're facing as
Speaker 3: a country, the fact that we've got distractions in the
Speaker 3: Middle East instead of focusing domestically. This is serious business.
Speaker 3: So we got we got one last last shot at
Speaker 3: this and we got to get it done. Failure is
Speaker 3: not an option. Final minute to you.
Speaker 8: Well, exactly right. We've got a lot of problems in
Speaker 8: this country, a lot of them, and we're stopping a
Speaker 8: lot of the fraud. You know, we lose one hundred
Speaker 8: million dollars an hour, three hundred and sixty five days
Speaker 8: to money that we lose to fraud and theft in
Speaker 8: this country.
Speaker 6: One hundred million. How stupid is that?
Speaker 8: And that's the reason that we need thase we needed
Speaker 8: President Trump to come in. We got to cut back
Speaker 8: on these day bureaucrats or are stealing this blind the
Speaker 8: American people need to wake up and get out and vote.
Speaker 8: My god, folks, this is this is this is past serious. Uh,
Speaker 8: we only had twenty percent of the people vote in
Speaker 8: Alabama in the primary, twenty percent. We better get upwards
Speaker 8: of fifty sixty seventy percent in some of these states
Speaker 8: or we're gonna get whitewashed. People are gonna run right
Speaker 8: over the top of us, and especially these states that
Speaker 8: are going to jam the ballot boxes with all these
Speaker 8: fake ballots. So folks, we got to go vote. We
Speaker 8: got to go vote and take our country back.
Speaker 3: And you saw that last night in Michigan. By the
Speaker 3: way they're stuff in ballot boxes. I mean, some of
Speaker 3: these returns didn't make any sense. The establishment Dems were
Speaker 3: doing all their electioneering shenanigans to try and rig it
Speaker 3: for Stevens. It wasn't enough, but it was darn near enough.
Speaker 3: I think the margin's fourteen k right now. I mean
Speaker 3: nothing else IAD's gonna win, but they tried like heck
Speaker 3: to steal it. So we have to vote. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: The only thing that can overcome it is being too
Speaker 3: big to rig in these states because we haven't fixed crap.
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Speaker 3: very excited about this next conversation because everything is about
Speaker 3: the economy right now on social media, the whole debate.
Speaker 3: I've accidentally sparked another one about burritos. Blake's been weighing in.
Speaker 3: He he likes cheap burritos, but that's fine.
Speaker 9: Don't I don't know the last time I've actually had
Speaker 9: just a burrito. We're gonna do.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have one this week. It's gonna be a
Speaker 3: whole thing. But here to help us discuss is David Blize.
Speaker 3: He's the pastor and director of Patriot Mobile Faith. You
Speaker 3: can find him on Exit Faith Mobilized. He does a
Speaker 3: lot of great content and he's got a just a
Speaker 3: really important perspective on this whole debate. So, Pastor, welcome
Speaker 3: to the show. It's great to have you. And I'm
Speaker 3: excited to get into this because the clip that started
Speaker 3: this whole kind of debate actually was one with our
Speaker 3: friend Jack Posobic. It was actually a back and forth.
Speaker 3: I mean, people are losing this, you know that didn't
Speaker 3: like what Jack had to say, Like you know, we
Speaker 3: had Mikey McCoy arguing with him on the clip. But anyways,
Speaker 3: we'll play the clip and then we'll get your reaction
Speaker 3: on the other side. Top fifteen.
Speaker 4: He should we are capitalists, like we are fundamentally pro
Speaker 4: somebody spending their wealth how they want.
Speaker 9: To spend their wealth.
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 9: I don't think we should.
Speaker 4: I don't think we should center our our country around capital.
Speaker 9: I think that's I think that's not Christian.
Speaker 3: All right, pastor your reaction to that now infamous clip.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and then I want to talk about the burritos
Speaker 12: because that's crucial as well.
Speaker 9: Yes it is.
Speaker 12: But yeah, so I saw this clip, and you know,
Speaker 12: the first thought that I had, you know, labeling I'm
Speaker 12: not a capitalist, I don't know what that means. You know,
Speaker 12: maybe it's because we're saying I'm a Christian first, you know,
Speaker 12: I can understand it. And then he said, I don't
Speaker 12: think we should center our country around capitalism. And again,
Speaker 12: I like to give grace first. I'm a pastor. I
Speaker 12: need grace to we all need grace. Maybe he's saying
Speaker 12: I want to center the country around biblical values and morality. Hey,
Speaker 12: that's great too. I agree with that. We don't want
Speaker 12: to center around a system. We don't want to center
Speaker 12: it around democracy, we don't want to center it around capitalism.
Speaker 12: We want to center it on the biblical morality, the
Speaker 12: biblical foundation that we're endowed by our creator, our rights
Speaker 12: are given by God. The government only helps enforce those rights,
Speaker 12: protect those rights, not give those rights.
Speaker 5: However, I think this plays into.
Speaker 12: Just this idea that we see on social media about
Speaker 12: capitalism and socialism, and capitalism is sometimes just portrayed as greed.
Speaker 12: But here's how I always see really the value statement.
Speaker 12: Capitalism values freedom, and that is why it is not
Speaker 12: a perfect system. It's the best system that we've found
Speaker 12: economically because it values liberty, it values self determination. It
Speaker 12: values that you get to spend your own money, and
Speaker 12: you get to be generous if you choose so, because
Speaker 12: generosity has to be a choice. The other option is socialism,
Speaker 12: which values fairness, and the government wants to take you know,
Speaker 12: sees your capital and then they give it out. That's
Speaker 12: not generosity because you can't be generous with someone else's finances,
Speaker 12: with someone else's money. And so we have to be
Speaker 12: aware of what the foundation should be Biblical morality, because
Speaker 12: that provides the guard rails for capitalism to succeed. Why
Speaker 12: would capitalism succeed because you have biblical guard rails? Then
Speaker 12: you know, the Conservative party historically is way more generous.
Speaker 12: Why because they have the freedom to be generous. The
Speaker 12: downside of capitalism is if left unchecked, it will develop greed,
Speaker 12: it will develop selfishness, a love for money.
Speaker 5: The Bible has a lot to say about that.
Speaker 12: But the answer to that is not, well, then let's
Speaker 12: just get rid of capitalism, because what you're saying is
Speaker 12: let's get rid of the freedom, let's get rid of
Speaker 12: the choice.
Speaker 5: Well, God didn't do that.
Speaker 12: God didn't say, hey, Adam and Eve, you're done making
Speaker 12: choices robots now, No, he said. Essentially, God says, I
Speaker 12: am going to risk what is on the other side
Speaker 12: of giving freedom, which is they could use that freedom
Speaker 12: to be generous or to be selfish.
Speaker 5: But that's the risk.
Speaker 12: So capitalism is the most biblical economic system that we
Speaker 12: have because it values freedom and choice, which is something
Speaker 12: the Bible has a lot to say about, and stewardship
Speaker 12: and generosity. It's not the perfect system. It reminds me
Speaker 12: of the quote about democracy. Democracy is the worst form
Speaker 12: of government except for all.
Speaker 5: The other forms.
Speaker 12: So we're not looking for a perfect system. We're looking
Speaker 12: for the most biblical system to run economics in a nation.
Speaker 12: And historically speaking and biblically speaking, it's been capitalism. It
Speaker 12: doesn't mean it's perfect. Of course, it can lead to
Speaker 12: greed and selfishness.
Speaker 5: But that's the.
Speaker 3: That's the the totally you know.
Speaker 5: The risk of freedom.
Speaker 4: I think that's that's so correct, and I think you
Speaker 4: want to take the long view here. You mentioned that
Speaker 4: capitalism has given America the wealth to be generous, and
Speaker 4: I think it's worth reminding people how unusual America is
Speaker 4: in that regard that we are a nation of givers
Speaker 4: in our own communities and around the world. Basically there
Speaker 4: are almost entire countries that are reliant on the charitable
Speaker 4: giving of Americans. That America is the country that produces
Speaker 4: missionary far more missionaries than any other country come out
Speaker 4: of America to go around the world. And I think
Speaker 4: that's directly linked to our free market system, even our
Speaker 4: way of our very energetic church environment, the way that
Speaker 4: there is so many different competing Protestant churches Catholic churches
Speaker 4: that there were very on the ball religiously, and I
Speaker 4: think that's actually a side effect of having this capitalist
Speaker 4: worldview that if you don't like the way something works,
Speaker 4: you can.
Speaker 9: Go and make your own version of it.
Speaker 4: Well, and what we see in socialist countries is everyone
Speaker 4: instead they lose the capacity to do that. It's always
Speaker 4: the state should come in and bail me out. The
Speaker 4: state should decide this. I don't have the ability to
Speaker 4: decide for myself, and I eventually you don't want to
Speaker 4: decide for yourself anymore.
Speaker 3: To the extent that it needs clarification because I think
Speaker 3: there was some consternation about that clip, like what is
Speaker 3: TPUSA stand for? No, no, no, We are pure capitalists, like
Speaker 3: in the sense that we are very pro capitalism with guardrails,
Speaker 3: with biblical guard rails. We're not pro greed, we're not
Speaker 3: pro materialism, we're not pro worshiping at the altar of
Speaker 3: you know, having billions of dollars or anything like that.
Speaker 3: You know, Charlie would often say that capitalism is the
Speaker 3: most proven, moral and effective economic system in the world.
Speaker 3: And you know, you said it's the most we've ft,
Speaker 3: the best we found. Well, it's kind of actually inverted
Speaker 3: that it found us. In many ways, it's kind of
Speaker 3: a natural outflow of the human spirit of the way
Speaker 3: we are wired to freely exchange goods and services and
Speaker 3: and so so there's no hopefully there's no lack of
Speaker 3: clarity on that front. And so, but I love the
Speaker 3: what what you're bringing in what so much of our
Speaker 3: The solution to our problems in this country is not
Speaker 3: more government. It's we need to be better people. We
Speaker 3: need to we need to cry out to the Lord
Speaker 3: to make our country great. From a character standpoint, from
Speaker 3: a faith standpoint, that's the answer to so many of
Speaker 3: our problems. And when we invite government in it usually,
Speaker 3: you know, in Reagan's famous words, I'm not a huge
Speaker 3: uh Reagan quota all the time, but you know, the
Speaker 3: the was the scariest words in the English language is
Speaker 3: I'm I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
Speaker 3: Final minute in this segment to you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I think it's I think it's really important.
Speaker 12: And I think when we understand that the number one
Speaker 12: value of these two systems capitalism values freedom, it values liberty,
Speaker 12: and that makes sense why America has has been a
Speaker 12: capitalist nation is because what was the founding principle life,
Speaker 12: liberty and the pursuit of happiness or John Locke life,
Speaker 12: liberty and property.
Speaker 5: So it's what it's saying is that's a value statement.
Speaker 12: Number one thing is life, and then the other two
Speaker 12: are my personal happiness, my self determination, and my liberty.
Speaker 5: The government can't take those away from me. And they
Speaker 5: didn't give them to me.
Speaker 12: And you ask any you know person that values socialism,
Speaker 12: they value fairness. Hey that's great. My kids love fairness too.
Speaker 12: But you know when they realize fairness is not the
Speaker 12: greatest value is when you go to a school and
Speaker 12: you say, hey, equal opportunity, right, that fair? Yeah, it's fair,
Speaker 12: equal opportunity in equal you know what is it called
Speaker 12: a outcome? And they're like, yeah, yeah, it sounds good,
Speaker 12: sounds right, and the UK okay, uh so here's your
Speaker 12: test scores. You got an A, you gotta B, you
Speaker 12: gotta C, you gotta D, you got an F. Let's
Speaker 12: just everyone's gonna C minus sound good. Fair, that's fair
Speaker 12: And students like.
Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, socialism is not fair to the
Speaker 3: producers and the people who work their tails off and yeah,
Speaker 3: sacrifice sleep and all this stuff. So you are your
Speaker 3: pastor and director of Patriot Mobile Faith. We love Patriot Mobile,
Speaker 3: by the way, great capitalist company, great success story, all
Speaker 3: American success story. I want to talk about this distinction
Speaker 3: because I have talked to Jack about what he meant
Speaker 3: by that, and I'm assuming we're going to get to
Speaker 3: it in Thought Crime this week, as well, which is
Speaker 3: our Thursday streaming show.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So for him, he was saying, yeah, I'm a national populist,
Speaker 3: which incorporates capitalism, right, But it's sort of a way
Speaker 3: of saying, we're going to apply certain sensible regulations to
Speaker 3: make sure that we're directing and incentivizing capital in the
Speaker 3: country in ways that benefit the nation, right. So as
Speaker 3: opposed to offshoring and hollowing out our industrial base and
Speaker 3: shipping all the jobs off to China in exchange for
Speaker 3: rubber trinkets that's going to end up in the trash
Speaker 3: some day, We're actually going to incentivize through tax code regulation,
Speaker 3: that companies invest here, that they hire American, that they
Speaker 3: do things that are good for the American population. So,
Speaker 3: you know, Jack wrote a whole book hitting communism and
Speaker 3: attacking communism by no means. I think it would be
Speaker 3: a very unfair interpretation of his comments to say that
Speaker 3: he was somehow against capitalism. But I do think that
Speaker 3: this is a worthwhile debate to have, and I think
Speaker 3: we're going to be having it ahead of twenty twenty
Speaker 3: eight about the right way to talk about capitalism. And
Speaker 3: my concern and then the floralill be yours is that
Speaker 3: if we don't do this, young people are so inundated
Speaker 3: by this pro socialism message that they're going to say, well,
Speaker 3: I don't want the old way as it's been, and
Speaker 3: this is a way to sort of filter that message
Speaker 3: and thread the needle and say, hey, we're hearing your
Speaker 3: concerns that the middle class work class is getting hammered
Speaker 3: in some ways, especially when it comes to burritos and affordability,
Speaker 3: but we're not ditching capitalism. Your thoughts.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think when it gets down into the nitty gritty,
Speaker 12: which is one of the reasons why you know, clipping
Speaker 12: up something can be so destructive because you take something
Speaker 12: out of context.
Speaker 5: Well, we do that with scripture too.
Speaker 12: We take one verse out of context and we can
Speaker 12: make it say whatever we want. And so I think
Speaker 12: what we have to constantly go back to, unfortunately, is
Speaker 12: defining terms. What do you mean when you say capitalists?
Speaker 12: And if someone says, oh, you know, I'm.
Speaker 5: Greedy, you know, money hungry, You're like, Okay, that's not
Speaker 5: what I mean by capitalism.
Speaker 12: I mean when capitalism I mean the economic structure in
Speaker 12: which we value freedom of exchange, freedom of movement, you know, generosity,
Speaker 12: all those things liberty, and so we have to we
Speaker 12: have to define those terms and then juxtaposed to the
Speaker 12: other options. When when you're talking about you know, populism,
Speaker 12: then now we're like you said, threading a needle. Okay,
Speaker 12: what do we mean by that? It's not anti capitalism,
Speaker 12: but we're wanting to benefit our nation first. Well that's great,
Speaker 12: and the America First movement has then taken that to
Speaker 12: me and okay, America first, And now we have to
Speaker 12: define do we mean America first or America only? Because
Speaker 12: if we have this biblical foundation that we're talking about,
Speaker 12: the Bible has a lot to say about the Church
Speaker 12: caring for orphans and widows, the good Samaritan caring for
Speaker 12: your neighbor, and so as long as we mean America first,
Speaker 12: like the analogy often given of the oxygen mask coming
Speaker 12: down on the airplane and putting yours on first, because
Speaker 12: if I'm incapacitated, I can't help my neighbor, I totally
Speaker 12: agree with that. But if we're saying America only, that
Speaker 12: we shouldn't be involved anywhere outside of our own borders,
Speaker 12: well that's taking away the biblical principle of generosity and
Speaker 12: kindness and loving your neighbor. So that's I kind of
Speaker 12: always find myself having to go back to redefining terms
Speaker 12: that have been outlandishly used in the in personified to
Speaker 12: mean one small definition capitalism means greed or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and David, I have a perfect example of this that,
Speaker 3: you know, pure unfettered capitalism. It can lead to excesses,
Speaker 3: it can lead to bubbles, it can lead to monopolies.
Speaker 3: This is why conservatives are re examining the legacy of
Speaker 3: somebody like Teddy Roosevelt, right, the famous trustbuster. He believed
Speaker 3: that the monopolies that had developed during the Gilded Age
Speaker 3: has basically resulted in uh, you know, I guess, excessive
Speaker 3: prices for consumers, excessive influence among a very elite oligarchy
Speaker 3: that had developed, whether that be economic influence or political influence.
Speaker 3: And so he broke up some of those companies and there,
Speaker 3: you know, there are benefits that could be had from
Speaker 3: those types of things. Now, another limit that we put
Speaker 3: on capital is immigration. Right, Big businesses would love to
Speaker 3: flood the nation with unfettered mass migration of Third worlders
Speaker 3: and cheap slave labor, and we have rejected that at
Speaker 3: the ballot box when we elected President Trump. Now that
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that you have to be an absolutist on
Speaker 3: any of those things, but it does mean that obviously
Speaker 3: there are sensible things that you can do to regulate
Speaker 3: or incentivize the movement of capital to best suit your
Speaker 3: national interests.
Speaker 4: And I think I think it's actually worth emphasizing that
Speaker 4: point that a friend of mine pointed out. I've been
Speaker 4: talking to him about this, and he says, one of
Speaker 4: the better ways if you want to defend capitalism is
Speaker 4: just really defend against all the other stuff they want.
Speaker 4: Because so many of the people who are complaining about capitalism,
Speaker 4: they're actually totally in league with them on let's bring
Speaker 4: in the entire third world here, So they'll actually concede
Speaker 4: them that point and say, oh, actually, yeah, let's give
Speaker 4: big business.
Speaker 9: What they want.
Speaker 4: Endless migrant labor, endless slave labor, endless like literally illegal immigrants.
Speaker 4: They actually just want to crash America, blow it up,
Speaker 4: and we should be pointing that out and fighting against that.
Speaker 4: And you really just get I think I think you
Speaker 4: get capitalism almost as a side effect of it. You
Speaker 4: don't need to say we're shilling for business. You just
Speaker 4: say we're rejecting all of these ideas that are clearly
Speaker 4: motivated by people who hate America and want to burn
Speaker 4: it down.
Speaker 12: I just think we're, as believers, were called to hold
Speaker 12: the tension between oftentimes two incredibly unhealthy extremes, and media
Speaker 12: often wants to push to the extremes. And we find
Speaker 12: Jesus often holding at tension between compassion and truth and
Speaker 12: not having to sacrifice one for the other. And I
Speaker 12: think we can do that with almost every debate. What's
Speaker 12: the tension here because we're not going to go to
Speaker 12: these extremes. It's actually more nuanced. But as a comedian said,
Speaker 12: the new N word is nuanced. We don't want to
Speaker 12: talk about it, and it's like, no, we need to talk.
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Speaker 3: Andrews sent you. Gonna talk about daylight saving time or
Speaker 3: standard time. We're gonna have that debate. It's about to
Speaker 3: not a debate. Standard time is superior. This is what
Speaker 3: this is the problem with this debate. Everybody's so dug
Speaker 3: into their ideological trenches.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but my trench is correct.
Speaker 3: So without further ado, I'm I'm so excited about this.
Speaker 3: So we have Sarah Kleiner joining us Welcome to the show, Sarah.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a little bio here. You're the
Speaker 3: creator of the my Circadian app. You're board certified and
Speaker 3: applied quantum biology by the American Naturopathic Medical Board. You've
Speaker 3: spent over fifteen years of working one on one with
Speaker 3: clients to optimize nutrition, lifestyle, and mindset. Your goal is
Speaker 3: to shift the way we think about circadian rhythms, health, nutrition,
Speaker 3: and light so we can better integrate those into our life.
Speaker 3: And doesn't matter what stage of life or anything like that.
Speaker 3: So we're honored to have you. You come very highly
Speaker 3: recommended by Alex Clark, who's our official MAHA expert around here.
Speaker 3: So it's great to have you.
Speaker 13: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely so. Trump. President Trump wants permanent daylight saving time.
Speaker 3: Blake wants permanent standard time. What is the right answer?
Speaker 14: I mean, the American Academy of Sleep Medicine and every
Speaker 14: single circadian scientist that I have ever spoken with is
Speaker 14: on the time of permanent standard time. That's the one
Speaker 14: that aligns with our biological clock. We have mountains of
Speaker 14: evidence to show how important it is for anxiety, depression, obesity.
Speaker 13: Heart health.
Speaker 14: I mean we have the research available and I have
Speaker 14: I saw the I guess it was a statement Trump
Speaker 14: put out yesterday that Riley was kind of enough to
Speaker 14: send me and kind of have looked through a lot
Speaker 14: of that, and I have a lot of thoughts on
Speaker 14: some of the things he said. There's there's some half
Speaker 14: truths in there. But I'm definitely on team permanent standard time.
Speaker 3: You and Blake are on the same team. So that
Speaker 3: that means God's time man out and I have to
Speaker 3: go a devil's advocate. I have to play at devil's
Speaker 3: advocate here. So this is the quote from Trump. For
Speaker 3: many years, the vast majority of Americans have asked to
Speaker 3: make daylight savings time permanent, but no administration has been
Speaker 3: able to get it done till now. I'm proud to
Speaker 3: announce the House of Representatives has passed the bill and
Speaker 3: it has now gone to the Senate for final approval.
Speaker 3: People are sick and tired of having to change their
Speaker 3: clocks twice a year. This we agree with, right.
Speaker 13: That the whole change the clocks, We agree with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's he says, it's foolish, inconvenient in some cases,
Speaker 3: very costly for cities and states, with watch towers and
Speaker 3: hard to reach places. It costs millions of dollars. A
Speaker 3: recent case was made that it is also bad for
Speaker 3: your health and the anxiety it creates. Leading medical, crime,
Speaker 3: and economic studies have shown that ceasing the bi annual
Speaker 3: time change, giving us one extra hour of natural sunlight
Speaker 3: in the evenings, will help decrease robbery and murder rates,
Speaker 3: reduce car accidents, et cetera, et cetera. So, okay, Devil's
Speaker 3: advocate here. So Danny on our team grew up in
Speaker 3: the Upper Midwest. He says that on Standard time in
Speaker 3: the winter, I believe I'm getting this right. Standard time
Speaker 3: in the winter, it was basically it's like dark all
Speaker 3: all morning long. Or is that? Am I getting that right?
Speaker 4: This is what's so confusing about So it's because you're
Speaker 4: in the Upper Midwest, the days are shorter, and when
Speaker 4: you're on Standard time, the sun is also going down
Speaker 4: earlier in the evening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he basically does, he doesn't want more dark at
Speaker 3: a certain time. I'm going to find his note here,
Speaker 3: but he was he's very very open to this permanent
Speaker 3: daylight saving We're on.
Speaker 4: Permanent daylight saving time. The sun is going to rise
Speaker 4: very late and very late. Yes, right, so this okay,
Speaker 4: So here here's a let me, let me reboot. There
Speaker 4: is a robbery issue.
Speaker 3: So when you have it light later at night, there
Speaker 3: is data to indicate that robberies decrease potentially as much
Speaker 3: as like twenty five percent. So have you seen any
Speaker 3: of that data and do you agree or disagree.
Speaker 13: I've seen the data.
Speaker 14: It's anywhere from seven percent to twenty seven percent. So
Speaker 14: I'm definitely not going to refute that data. I don't
Speaker 14: want to have anyone.
Speaker 13: Fact check me. That's that's data. However, this is.
Speaker 14: Basically going from November to February, and it's from the
Speaker 14: hours of five pm to eight pm, and it's a
Speaker 14: it's a real trade off. What we do have is
Speaker 14: we tried this in nineteen seventy four and within about
Speaker 14: two months, the approval rate went from seventy nine percent
Speaker 14: down to forty two percent because there were children being
Speaker 14: killed at bus stops and people hated it so much.
Speaker 13: They hated the dark mornings.
Speaker 14: They thought they wanted it because it's kind of the
Speaker 14: same thing happening again. Everyone, we're going to have this
Speaker 14: extra hour and we're not really getting anything extra we
Speaker 14: still have to deal with winter, which is a shorter
Speaker 14: photo period.
Speaker 13: You know, it's that's not being talked about.
Speaker 14: And so what we're taking off the table is the
Speaker 14: ability for millions of people to actually get the morning
Speaker 14: light signal, which, as I've said, has robust data around
Speaker 14: it that they need in order to avoid a lot
Speaker 14: of health problems.
Speaker 3: This is okay, So I did have it backwards, so
Speaker 3: on standard time, if you do permanent standard time, it
Speaker 3: will get light earlier during those winter months. Right, Yes,
Speaker 3: it'll say how it's been.
Speaker 14: It'll just be how it's been because what we are
Speaker 14: in right now is DST right. And then if the
Speaker 14: clocks change, if we just continue with current the way
Speaker 14: things are, then we'll do that falling back thing, and
Speaker 14: then in the spring will spring forward. And it's when
Speaker 14: Trump is saying there's health issues associated with the time change,
Speaker 14: He's correct, But that is because we strip away that
Speaker 14: hour and spring that's where we see the increase in
Speaker 14: heart attack and stroke, cardiac events, mental health episodes, car accidents,
Speaker 14: all of those things. So that is correct, but that
Speaker 14: is because we're changing the time and taking an hour
Speaker 14: from people.
Speaker 3: Right, So if we just kept one or the other
Speaker 3: we'd probably deal with some of these issues.
Speaker 13: But we would love to just keep one right, just right.
Speaker 3: But just your argument is that that morning sun is
Speaker 3: really really important for health outcomes. So if you go
Speaker 3: to same time, it gets like a little bit earlier.
Speaker 3: So explain why that's so important. So you go, I've
Speaker 3: heard people tell me that when it in the morning,
Speaker 3: you got it sort of expose your body to natural
Speaker 3: sunlight to sort of kick your body into gear.
Speaker 14: What is that about, Well, you have a master clock
Speaker 14: in your brain that is essentially primarily signaled by light.
Speaker 13: It's called the super chismatic nucleus. And when the eyes.
Speaker 14: Get this signal from light, it signals every single sell
Speaker 14: and organ system in your body, which also runs on
Speaker 14: a circadian clock. Which is why in my practice I
Speaker 14: have people reversing autoimmune conditions getting pregnant after failed fertility treatments.
Speaker 13: I'm going to have a huge.
Speaker 14: Bank of people who have reversed health issues by simply
Speaker 14: doing this practice of going outside in the morning. So we,
Speaker 14: like I said that the circadian research is robust here
Speaker 14: and the argument I get because I've spoken out on
Speaker 14: this a little bit on social media and gotten this
Speaker 14: is one topic.
Speaker 13: Whenever I talk about it online, people get so angry.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's amazing, it's amazing. Correct camps. The camps are
Speaker 3: firmly entrenched. You're right, you're waiting into to perilous waters.
Speaker 13: Well, when you mess.
Speaker 14: With people's time, you're messing with their life. It's very
Speaker 14: personal to them. I just think that we're they don't
Speaker 14: really understand how this works, because it's like I've heard
Speaker 14: this old Indian proverb that says you're taking a blanket
Speaker 14: and chopping, you know, tearing off the top part of
Speaker 14: it and trying to sew it onto the bottom and say,
Speaker 14: acting like it's better.
Speaker 13: It's not.
Speaker 14: Because if you don't get that signal in your eyes
Speaker 14: in the morning, if you don't get enough brightness, you're
Speaker 14: not clearing residual melotone in you are not resetting those
Speaker 14: circadian clocks that influence your appetite, regulation, mood, all of
Speaker 14: those things need that bright morning signal. So you might
Speaker 14: get this extra hour, but guess what, you're going to
Speaker 14: feel kind of depressed and be it risk for obesity
Speaker 14: lethargy because you never got that proper wake up signal
Speaker 14: that Again, the circadian science is pretty robust around this topic.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the sunrise.
Speaker 4: I just I'm plugging in sunrise in different city on
Speaker 4: January first, right now, and then add an hour.
Speaker 9: If we were.
Speaker 4: Imagining permanent daylight savings time, it would be you wouldn't
Speaker 4: have the sun come up in like Minneapolis until about
Speaker 4: nine am if we were on permanent daylight savings time.
Speaker 4: On this is January first, so one of the shorter
Speaker 4: days of the year. It's about nine in Detroit. I
Speaker 4: check to Bismarck, North Dakota, so that's at the far
Speaker 4: western edge.
Speaker 9: Of hunchy time. Nine to thirty a nine to thirty
Speaker 9: sunrise there.
Speaker 4: If we had permanent daylight savings time right now, it's
Speaker 4: happening in the eight o'clock.
Speaker 3: Out so people are already at work and there's no
Speaker 3: sun and it's so bad.
Speaker 9: One of the things that really makes this extreme.
Speaker 4: School starts so early because they want to make it
Speaker 4: so parents can take their kids to school and then
Speaker 4: go in. So you'll have elementary kids getting up two
Speaker 4: three hours before sunrise in these places so they can
Speaker 4: go to school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be dark at reschool at eight o'clock eight thirty.
Speaker 3: The sun doesn't rise for another hour and a half.
Speaker 3: That's that is wild to think about. That's on day
Speaker 3: permanent daylight savings. Yes, yeah, what does that do for children?
Speaker 14: It's terrible for children. I mean, children need the sunlight signal.
Speaker 14: It's so incredibly important for their hormones, for their brain.
Speaker 14: The number one treatment for anxiety and depression is bright
Speaker 14: light therapy upon waking. So that is very established research.
Speaker 14: And so we already have a depression and anxiety and
Speaker 14: mental health crisis going on with our children due to
Speaker 14: so many factors. I'm sure we would agree on. I've
Speaker 14: got two kids myself, and now we're going to strip
Speaker 14: away the ability for them to get that bright light signal,
Speaker 14: which could potentially offset some of the negative impact of
Speaker 14: what they're already up against as a as a generation.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, I mean, it just feels like we're making
Speaker 3: the right choice in the sense that we're trying to
Speaker 3: get rid of this pesky clock change, which seems I mean,
Speaker 3: it seems like everybody's basically against that. And I would
Speaker 3: love to hear your thoughts out in the audience. Send
Speaker 3: us an email Freedom at Charliekirk dot com if you
Speaker 3: have any questions as well. What do you think you'd
Speaker 3: prefer permanent daylight saving time or permanent standard time, A
Speaker 3: little lighter in the morning or a little lighter at night,
Speaker 3: that's the question. Sounds like we need that let light
Speaker 3: signal early in the morning, which is something I've heard
Speaker 3: about and I actually have tried it and just stood
Speaker 3: out there and tried to get sun in the morning,
Speaker 3: and you do kind of feel it. You feel revived
Speaker 3: in an awake a little bit faster. What do you
Speaker 3: tell us about your my circadian app, Sarah.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I've been coaching people in this circadian health space
Speaker 14: for the last number of years after actually having my
Speaker 14: own miracle baby in my mid forties and he's three now,
Speaker 14: so I'm really passionate about this. Yeah, thank you awesome
Speaker 14: little boy, and circadian lifestyle helped make that possible. And
Speaker 14: so I wanted an app that helped people understand when
Speaker 14: sunrise happened for them. When UVA, which we were talking
Speaker 14: a little bit about this morning light UVA is when
Speaker 14: you're making serotonin, dopamine, beta endorphin, these appetite hormones all
Speaker 14: come online, and I wanted them to understand when that
Speaker 14: was as well as when they could make vitamin D
Speaker 14: because you can't make it year round, and then measure lux.
Speaker 13: Which is this most well studied measurement of light. The
Speaker 13: app has a lux meter in it.
Speaker 14: You want to get a ten thousand lux threshold in
Speaker 14: the morning, and you want to keep your lux below
Speaker 14: ten at night the three hours leading up to bed
Speaker 14: and zero in your bedroom, so you can measure that
Speaker 14: and that's going to really help you keep your circadian
Speaker 14: rhythms dialed in. And you kind of have it there
Speaker 14: in your pocket.
Speaker 3: Oh that's great. So why would it affect fertility?
Speaker 14: I'm just curious, oh man, Because, like I said, every
Speaker 14: single cell and organ system in your body is impacted
Speaker 14: by the signal of light. Your hormones run on a
Speaker 14: circadian rhythm, and that morning sunlight signal is incredibly important for.
Speaker 13: What we call the HPA axis, which is.
Speaker 14: Going to signal your master hormone pregnant alone to talk
Speaker 14: to the other sex hormones. So if you're not making
Speaker 14: these hormones, especially in the morning, you're going to deal
Speaker 14: with fertility issues.
Speaker 13: And then we have the issue at night. It was
Speaker 13: women used to actually cycle with the moon.
Speaker 14: We have some really interesting data that came out in
Speaker 14: around twenty ten that showed women stopped cycling. Actually that
Speaker 14: the research came out in twenty twenty two. It was
Speaker 14: done in twenty ten that showed women cycled with the
Speaker 14: moon up until that time. What happened in twenty ten
Speaker 14: we all got smartphones and so women fell out of sync.
Speaker 14: Their menstrual cycles became irregular in twenty ten because of
Speaker 14: this artificial light at night issue that we all have now.
Speaker 3: So wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, So smartphones broke
Speaker 3: women's menstrual cycles.
Speaker 13: It's a thing.
Speaker 14: It's a thing.
Speaker 13: There's been books written on this topic.
Speaker 3: Kidding. Wait, So just because women are like scrolling Instagram
Speaker 3: at night that broke their cycles.
Speaker 14: I have women reverse hot flashes when I get them
Speaker 14: to get off the dang phone at night.
Speaker 9: Women.
Speaker 3: If a woman wants to get pregnant and she just
Speaker 3: wants to make sure everything's you know, her circadian rhythms
Speaker 3: are right, what time do you recommend stop you know,
Speaker 3: stopping this rolling.
Speaker 14: I mean the science is ten lucks and below the
Speaker 14: three hours leading up to bedtime.
Speaker 3: So you've got ten lucks off your cell phone screen,
Speaker 3: even if you turn it all the way dark.
Speaker 14: And you get the blue light. Yeah, you get blue light,
Speaker 14: you get that lux I mean, and that is enough
Speaker 14: to keep the brain making cortisol and restart kickstart that
Speaker 14: sex steroid hormone pathway at night, which is the opposite
Speaker 14: of what we want. We want malatona to come in
Speaker 14: because melatonin is actually a very reproductive, powerful reproductive hormone.
Speaker 14: It's actually a very powerful hormone for cancer prevention. I
Speaker 14: mean so many things that if you look at the
Speaker 14: data with artificial light at night.
Speaker 13: And cancer, you will be astounded. I mean, it is.
Speaker 4: Robust and a way a lot of people have tried
Speaker 4: to deal with a certainly on large computers, they'll get
Speaker 4: blue light filters so that you know, it basically makes
Speaker 4: their screen orange at night.
Speaker 9: I know, I definitely have.
Speaker 3: Seen women they'll get.
Speaker 9: I think they get kind of.
Speaker 4: These spectacles that are supposed to filter.
Speaker 9: Out blue light whatever. They're not glad, I don't know.
Speaker 4: They're not for vision correction like me or even And
Speaker 4: I imagine you can probably get a similar app for
Speaker 4: your phone. Does that do enough or is that just
Speaker 4: sort of putting a band aid over it that doesn't
Speaker 4: do that much and you're better just not using it
Speaker 4: at all.
Speaker 13: It helps.
Speaker 14: It absolutely helps, And that's why I have that luxmeter
Speaker 14: within the app, because you can have to use your
Speaker 14: partner's phone to measure what's coming off your phone. Keep
Speaker 14: it below ten, turn your blue light filter on where
Speaker 14: you're blue blockers.
Speaker 13: That's going to help.
Speaker 14: But the other thing that can keep your brain making
Speaker 14: cortisol is the brain waves that you're going to essentially
Speaker 14: make from being on your phone. You're going to stay
Speaker 14: in a high beta state, which can also block melotone in.
Speaker 14: So there's a fine line you have to walk with it.
Speaker 14: When I want people to be compliant, I'm going to say,
Speaker 14: get the blue blockers, turn the dimness down on your phone,
Speaker 14: measure it good red.
Speaker 13: Light bulbs in your home. That's going to help tremendously.
Speaker 14: But at the end of the day, I want you
Speaker 14: powered down and sleeping so you can make all that
Speaker 14: melatone at night and reap those health benefitts.
Speaker 3: So what about so I know everybody's I know you're
Speaker 3: gonna tell me I'm doing it wrong, and that's probably fair.
Speaker 3: I watch TV at night before I go to bed,
Speaker 3: or I read a book, so it's one or the two,
Speaker 3: and I try and do more reading it admitted like,
Speaker 3: for years I was like not reading, I was watching TV,
Speaker 3: and now I'm about seventy percent of the time, I'm
Speaker 3: reading a book before I go to bed, but the
Speaker 3: wife and I will watch a show together or something,
Speaker 3: you know, put the kids down. How bad is that?
Speaker 3: I tend to just like calk out like it doesn't
Speaker 3: seem to affect me. But how bad is that? And
Speaker 3: am I doing it wrong?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 14: Well, the great thing I love about the app is
Speaker 14: that you can take your blue blockers, put them over
Speaker 14: the lens and measure at eye level. Because I like
Speaker 14: to watch a show every Sunday night right now this on,
Speaker 14: I like one show a week. I let myself do that.
Speaker 14: So I'll sit from where I'm at on my couch,
Speaker 14: measure the lux I'll have my blue blockers on, and
Speaker 14: I can typically get even my TV down to about
Speaker 14: six lucks without doing anything.
Speaker 13: So we're the blue blockers.
Speaker 14: Watch your show every now and then stick to your
Speaker 14: seventy percent reading, and you're going to be ahead of
Speaker 14: most people.
Speaker 3: So, but you said the brain waves though, even aren't
Speaker 3: you still having some of those brain waves that are
Speaker 3: keeping you up with reading?
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's a it's a trade off. I mean it
Speaker 14: depends on what you're reading, right.
Speaker 3: Reading about English history, I mean, is it better to
Speaker 3: read really trashy novels or something that are like low
Speaker 3: brain effort versus I don't know, philosophy.
Speaker 13: I mean it's really dependent on the person.
Speaker 14: I think you'd probably be fine with philosophy or history
Speaker 14: rather than you know, murder mysteries or some of the
Speaker 14: trashy novels people like to read that might get you
Speaker 14: upset or emotional.
Speaker 13: You're probably safe with what you're reading in my opinion.
Speaker 3: And yeah, you know, we're just not thinking about light.
Speaker 3: I mean, because you think about ancient man, right, like
Speaker 3: not even ancient man, just pre electricity man, it was
Speaker 3: like you know, you had you had candles or you
Speaker 3: had little oil lamps. I mean that was essentially your
Speaker 3: light at night and it kind of forced you to
Speaker 3: go to bed with the rhythm of the sun. So
Speaker 3: your whole body is oriented around this. It's just we
Speaker 3: don't observe it anymore because we have electricity, we have
Speaker 3: artificial light. How much I mean, how much of our
Speaker 3: modern health because I know there's so many areas of health,
Speaker 3: but how much of our modern health do you think
Speaker 3: is actually tied in our problems are tied to this
Speaker 3: light issue.
Speaker 14: Oh so much. Look into doctor Glenn Jeffery. Look at
Speaker 14: his research on the mitochondria. Since you guys are talking
Speaker 14: to mitochondria, look at how red light and near infrared
Speaker 14: impacts mitochondria positive and blue light specifically impacts mitochondria negative.
Speaker 14: And our indoor environments are completely devoid of red and
Speaker 14: infrared light since we got rid of the incandescent bold
Speaker 14: and we are in these blue rich heavy environments that
Speaker 14: are actually slowing down mitochondria, slowing down our metabolism, and
Speaker 14: it's created He's likened it to asbestos.
Speaker 3: What what lightbulbs do you recommend we get at.
Speaker 13: Home infrared if you can get him, incandescent are always.
Speaker 9: Going to be the best.
Speaker 3: That was a really fascinating conversation. I loved it. Hopefully
Speaker 3: you guys get it home too. Thanks or time forever. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: t see you guys tomorrow.
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