WEBVTT - Could the war in Iran drag on past the midterms?

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<v Speaker 2>in for Hugh. Quite quite the week for me. I

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<v Speaker 2>we begin this Monday, this third day of August, it's

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred degrees in Texas, which is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>until Thanksgiving. It's what we do, it's how we roll.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's hot all over the place in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>hot topicality. Got some Trump cuts from the Oval Office

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<v Speaker 2>in just the last hour, hour and a half. He's

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<v Speaker 2>talking some Iran, He's talking some Spain. So many lessons

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<v Speaker 2>to learn from that? Was it sixty thousand a football

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<v Speaker 2>stadium filled with with battle age young men there where

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<v Speaker 2>Morocco meets Spain. Are there lessons in that for the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, for the Blue States, for any states? RFK

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<v Speaker 2>Junior versus Dana Bash was fun on CNN State of

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<v Speaker 2>Union over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>That was.

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<v Speaker 2>Say what you will about Bobby Junior. He just ain't

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<v Speaker 2>having it. And in fact, that's Representative Rubio out of

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<v Speaker 2>the President's cabinet, Governor DeSantis, Governor Abbott, my governor. The

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<v Speaker 2>days of just laying out and being steamrolled by the

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<v Speaker 2>narratives of the left, those days are over. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>like Trump waived some magic wand and made that all happen.

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<v Speaker 2>But with him walking the point, with this mindset, it's

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<v Speaker 2>funny as with the flamethrower cranked up to the max

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<v Speaker 2>every day from the White House. By comparison, anybody that

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<v Speaker 2>just cranks it up a little bit in their governor's mansion,

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<v Speaker 2>from their congressional office, from whatever office they hold, is

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<v Speaker 2>going to look is going to look positively measured by comparison.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me tell you the tools of the trade today.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a lot of great folks that we are

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<v Speaker 2>going to welcome. Noah Rothman from National Review, wonderful, James Lylacs,

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<v Speaker 2>colonist and writer, extraordinary. They'll be with us this hour.

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<v Speaker 2>You can be with us this hour or any hour

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<v Speaker 2>as we talk about stuff from South Carolina to Iran,

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<v Speaker 2>to Spain, to the mid terms to the DSA lunacy.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just give you the phone number. It's where

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<v Speaker 2>you can hop on get staged. We'll screen your calls

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<v Speaker 2>hot and intersperse your thoughts amid mine and some of

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<v Speaker 2>our great guests today. And you know the Hugh Hewitt

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<v Speaker 2>They're at Mark Davis and I will see that. The

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<v Speaker 2>phone number is one eight hundred five to two oh

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<v Speaker 2>one two three four. All right, let's go just a

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<v Speaker 2>few within the last hour, hour and a half in

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<v Speaker 2>the Oval office. This is going to be cut nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>The press gaggle was gathered. The idea. Usually when you

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<v Speaker 2>gather the press sometimes there's a theme, and this theme

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<v Speaker 2>was military spouses the theme. So there was so Pete

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<v Speaker 2>Hegseth was there, Missus tag Seth was there. Emblematic of

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<v Speaker 2>the home front, military spouses, the war at home. It

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<v Speaker 2>is the person in uniform who puts on that uniform

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<v Speaker 2>and walks toward global trouble spots and who might die.

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<v Speaker 2>We had just a service this past weekend for nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old Isabella Gonzales of Carrollton, Texas, twenty minutes from

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<v Speaker 2>where I'm sitting. This beautiful nineteen year old young lady,

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<v Speaker 2>she had just graduated from high school and was willing

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<v Speaker 2>to put on the uniform of this country, died in

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<v Speaker 2>the Iranian attack in Jordan. And it's not like any

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<v Speaker 2>one life jumps out at you more than any of

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<v Speaker 2>the others. But this young lady, her death, her life

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<v Speaker 2>have resonated so deeply here in this community, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know just about wherever you live, and really during any war,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's not just this war, but obviously any conflict,

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<v Speaker 2>the Gulf War, of the War on Terror, back through

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<v Speaker 2>Vietnam and before. Communities are always impacted by the sons

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<v Speaker 2>and daughters that they lose. So any you have the

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<v Speaker 2>people who pack their stuff head off into the war zone,

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<v Speaker 2>and then somebody's left at home to not just keep

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<v Speaker 2>the home fires burning, as the familiar saying goes, but

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<v Speaker 2>to keep the household operating to oh, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>take care of the kids, make sure that the household

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<v Speaker 2>is secure and functional. And in a way, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you the way that everybody in the military views this.

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<v Speaker 2>A man in a war zone views his wife at

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<v Speaker 2>home as a partner in the war effort. A woman

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<v Speaker 2>in the war zone would feel the same way about

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<v Speaker 2>a husband at home. That is, it's not just people

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<v Speaker 2>who go off to war. Families are part of this

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<v Speaker 2>war effort. And so today's White House event was about

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<v Speaker 2>showing honor and showing some preciation for military spouses and

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<v Speaker 2>I can't think of a more honorable and appropriate use

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<v Speaker 2>of time. Needless to say, after a while, the president's

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<v Speaker 2>best use of time is taking a bunch of questions

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<v Speaker 2>from a bunch of reporters. This is cut nineteen where

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<v Speaker 2>we could eat with Iran over the weekend. It was like,

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen this short film before. We're gonna hit you.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna hit you so hard you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>know what your name is anymore. But then somebody's on

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<v Speaker 2>the phone saying, hey, there may be progress. Maybe we

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<v Speaker 2>lay back for a little bit, and the President says, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's lay back for a little bit. See what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bargaining tactic. It's optics, it's positioning. Fine, that's

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<v Speaker 2>all great. If it please Lord, let it all be

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<v Speaker 2>advancing us toward something like a satisfactory resolution with a

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<v Speaker 2>non nuclear Iran with no five dollars gas and this

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<v Speaker 2>all wrapped up. It'd be really nice if it was

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<v Speaker 2>by you know, the end of September, just saying you

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<v Speaker 2>hate to run a war on a we're running a

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<v Speaker 2>woe on o'clock. You don't ever want to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump will say he's not running one o'clock. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know if success, real success, takes till February, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that'll be more That'll be more important than any intervening

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<v Speaker 2>political event, even though the midterms are obviously huge. But

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at the way America viewsed this war,

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<v Speaker 2>and not just Democrats, you'all familiar with Matt Walsh, love

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<v Speaker 2>him ninety percent of the time. Nobody better on gender,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody better on all kinds of other things. He had

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<v Speaker 2>a post earlier today that said, grocery prices are insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Every Republican ought to be talking about affordability. Affordability, affordability,

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<v Speaker 2>stop the stupid foreign wars and focus on that. And

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<v Speaker 2>I read that, and I could see a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>people going, yeah, I feel the same way. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean to get greedy, but is that a necessary binary choice?

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<v Speaker 2>You mean to tell me that I could either have

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<v Speaker 2>affordable eggs or a non nuclear Iran. I somehow believe

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<v Speaker 2>that both are possible. I think it's possible for this

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<v Speaker 2>administration to absolutely focus on affordability, show people in the

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<v Speaker 2>midterms that Conservatism is the best path toward affordability, while

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<v Speaker 2>also beating down the threat of a nuclear Iran. Call

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<v Speaker 2>me crazy. I think both are possible. So we're at

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<v Speaker 2>a pause right now. But as he will do, President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump says, if things don't progress, the pause will end.

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<v Speaker 2>This is cut nineteen with a hint from the President

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<v Speaker 2>on what will happen now off and they're going on

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<v Speaker 2>right now.

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<v Speaker 4>It's an amazing thing. We have a little problem with

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<v Speaker 4>iron because we have many talks that will say we

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<v Speaker 4>have or we don't have, you know, straight about it,

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<v Speaker 4>but they deny it. But they're not denying it now.

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<v Speaker 4>They just put out a savement not denying it.

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<v Speaker 2>But for some reason they.

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<v Speaker 4>When they're talking, they don't like saying that they're talking.

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<v Speaker 4>So I say, we're in talks, big deal, we're in talk,

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<v Speaker 4>and they'll sometimes deny it, even though they spent hours

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<v Speaker 4>and hours together talking. Now the talks are going along,

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to hit them very hard. Yesterday, very very hard,

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<v Speaker 4>harder than any attack I think I can say general

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<v Speaker 4>from a point of knowledge, any attack since World War Two.

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<v Speaker 4>That's pretty big. And we were set to go, and

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<v Speaker 4>they called, and in addition, Sodi Arabia call and h

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<v Speaker 4>u a E called.

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<v Speaker 2>Guitar call.

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<v Speaker 4>I call some numerous people. I don't want to use

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<v Speaker 4>the word begging, but some.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go ahead and hop out little pick up on

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<v Speaker 2>the other side, Mark Davison, for you.

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<v Speaker 5>Out of the treat of life, I just picked me

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<v Speaker 5>a plown. You came along and everything started to long.

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<v Speaker 2>National events, world events come and go. But on only

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<v Speaker 2>one day, and this is that day. Will we observe

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<v Speaker 2>the one hundredth anniversary of the birth of Tony Bennett.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're going to get some Tony Bennett today, Other

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<v Speaker 2>artists to be sure, because when I come, I bring

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<v Speaker 2>an entire vault full of chart history and other delightful things.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Bennett, the best is yet to come nineteen sixty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Please let that be true on various fronts. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>about how things are going well, not well, and everything

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<v Speaker 2>in between with a great senior writer at National Review,

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<v Speaker 2>Noah Rothman. Noah, welcome, How.

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<v Speaker 6>You doing, sir, very Willmark? Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice to have you listen. I know you've been doing

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of things in the last couple of hours,

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<v Speaker 2>putting sort of some of the final edits on your

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<v Speaker 2>most recent piece at National Review, which is thoroughly depressing.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you also did you watch any of Trump over

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<v Speaker 2>the last couple of hours and the barrage of questions

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<v Speaker 2>he was bandying back and forth.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I had my head down for most of it,

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<v Speaker 7>but I caught a couple of clips. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 7>where you want to go with that, but they were

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<v Speaker 7>all new worthy.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, they typically are.

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<v Speaker 2>They were, So I tell you what, let's do what.

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<v Speaker 2>Anytime you have one of those multi topic combinations of

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump making various pronouncements, jabbing at the occasional you know,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three year old reporter from MS now or anything

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<v Speaker 2>in between, it kind of gives you an overall thought

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<v Speaker 2>of where his mood is, where things seem to be going, war,

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<v Speaker 2>mid terms, affordability, what's the broad temperature that you take

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<v Speaker 2>here as August begins, and then we'll dig into some

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<v Speaker 2>of what you say about the war and your just

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<v Speaker 2>posted peace.

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<v Speaker 7>That's an interesting approach to this question. Like a thirty

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<v Speaker 7>thousand foot perspective, the president seems more imperturbable than I

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<v Speaker 7>think Republicans would like him to be. I think they

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<v Speaker 7>honestly want to see the president respond with some passion

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<v Speaker 7>to what they regard as an existentially political calamity, the

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<v Speaker 7>earth killing media that everyone can see from miles out

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<v Speaker 7>is bearing down on the Republican Party ahead of November.

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<v Speaker 7>And there are plenty of Republicans who have different perspectives

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<v Speaker 7>on how the GOP can write this ship, but all

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<v Speaker 7>of them center on getting the president to focus on

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<v Speaker 7>and talk more about economic issues and specifically what this

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<v Speaker 7>Republican Congress has done to shape pocketbook narratives and pocketbook

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<v Speaker 7>issues that the public is generally concerned about. That side

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<v Speaker 7>affordability thing you're discussing, and that's where you get into

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<v Speaker 7>the war. And I don't think it's possible to look

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<v Speaker 7>at the president's job approval ratings at least the average

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<v Speaker 7>is compiled by places like RCP and see no connection

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<v Speaker 7>between the Iran war and the president's job approval ratings.

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<v Speaker 7>Specifically the resumption of high tempole hostilities high temple combat

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<v Speaker 7>operations earlier this month, which are on and off. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>you could say that the war started again, but it's on.

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<v Speaker 6>Some days, it's off some days. Either way.

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<v Speaker 7>The public took notice because you can see in the

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<v Speaker 7>visualization of that data the president's job approval rating declining

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<v Speaker 7>even as his job disapproval rating declining, rather as his

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<v Speaker 7>job approval rating remains stable, So it's tethered to the

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<v Speaker 7>Iran War in the public's mind, and the public has

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<v Speaker 7>just not bought in with this campaign. I think it's

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<v Speaker 7>an pronounced national project, a very important national project. But

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<v Speaker 7>Trump has not approached the public consistently, often and with

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<v Speaker 7>sincere and genuine, observable deference to public opinion. What is

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<v Speaker 7>expected of Americans, what we're supposed to absorb in the interim,

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<v Speaker 7>and what we're going to get out of the Iran War.

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<v Speaker 7>I can answer all those questions, I think, because I

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<v Speaker 7>think the President has said this, but you know, it's

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<v Speaker 7>not good enough to say it once.

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<v Speaker 6>You have to repeat it.

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<v Speaker 7>You have to say it so many times if becomes

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<v Speaker 7>a mantra so that your voters can actually articulate it

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<v Speaker 7>independent of you. And I don't think the President has

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<v Speaker 7>done a very good job of that. He seems to

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<v Speaker 7>not really trust the public with an accurate assessment of

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<v Speaker 7>where we are in this conflict, and I think voters

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<v Speaker 7>have repaid that mistrust in kind by withholding it from

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<v Speaker 7>this presidency.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an interesting sort of psychological observation. What does it

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<v Speaker 2>look like to trust the public with the really daunting news,

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<v Speaker 2>some of the details of which you mentioned in your

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<v Speaker 2>brand new piece on the corner at NRO. When it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to Iran, the Trump administration leaks like a sieve.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you have a piece written that says this

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<v Speaker 2>war's not going well and it may get worse before

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<v Speaker 2>it gets better, that could come from a Democrat senator,

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<v Speaker 2>or it could come from someone who believes in the goal,

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<v Speaker 2>believes in the operation, and is frustrated that it hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>gone better. Presuming you are the latter, give everybody a

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<v Speaker 2>little of a summary of what you've what you described

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<v Speaker 2>in that piece, of the various snippets of really daunting

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<v Speaker 2>news that have come out into the public square.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I got one more for you. It could come

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<v Speaker 7>from a Democratic senator who wants to undermine the war

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<v Speaker 7>for it come from a well meaning Republican who wants

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<v Speaker 7>the war effort to go better. It could come from

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<v Speaker 7>somebody in the intelligence and military apparatus who does not

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<v Speaker 7>want this war to go well, who did not want

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<v Speaker 7>this war to begin in the first place. And there

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<v Speaker 7>are plenty of those in the president's orbit who are

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<v Speaker 7>suspicious and hostile to the extroverted presidence of the United States.

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<v Speaker 7>On the world stage, certainly military activity like this against

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<v Speaker 7>avowed American adversaries. I don't know where these leaks are

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<v Speaker 7>coming from. I am suspicious of them, why because they

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<v Speaker 7>all air in one direction. Maybe if we got one

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<v Speaker 7>leak from the intelligence or military community that said, Wow,

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<v Speaker 7>things are going kind of bad for Iran in this

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<v Speaker 7>very specific way, but we never get those. All we

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<v Speaker 7>get is how time is on Iran side. Everything is

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<v Speaker 7>going their way, and this could not be going worse

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<v Speaker 7>for the United States. Which is not to say that

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<v Speaker 7>I don't trust the information that's being leaked. I mistrust

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<v Speaker 7>the conclusions that are being retailed along with the information

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<v Speaker 7>that's being leaked. Among some of these claims that Iran

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<v Speaker 7>maintains roughly seventy five percent of its ballistic missile capabilities,

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<v Speaker 7>that the United States only did cosmetic damage to the

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<v Speaker 7>Iranian nuclear program, that they're digging out of the damage

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<v Speaker 7>that they already that was done to the nuclear program,

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<v Speaker 7>and the Ranian regime has the capacity to outlast the

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<v Speaker 7>US blockade. Now we can argue about the particulars, and

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<v Speaker 7>I think some of those particulars need to be argued with,

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<v Speaker 7>but the conclusion that is bandied about along with them,

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<v Speaker 7>that the US has no option but to engage in

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<v Speaker 7>a humiliating retreat and surrender the strait of hormones to Iran.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think one follows the other. You could very

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<v Speaker 7>easily say that all of this information suggests that the

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<v Speaker 7>US should go full bore, because you know what, maybe

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<v Speaker 7>Iran has seventy five percent of its ballistic missile capabilities.

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<v Speaker 7>It had one hundred percent of its ballistic missile capabilities

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<v Speaker 7>at the outset of Epic Fury. Those missile launches slowed

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<v Speaker 7>to a trickle by early March, not because they didn't

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<v Speaker 7>have the missiles, because they didn't have access to the missiles.

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<v Speaker 7>And when they launched those missiles, they were interdicted by

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<v Speaker 7>US assets or they were fired upon by offensive military

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<v Speaker 7>operation offensive assets in the air. There's some concern over

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<v Speaker 7>our defensive munitions, specifically these really high end ballistic missile

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<v Speaker 7>interceptors that were running low on that's again classified information

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<v Speaker 7>that should not be with the general public. But let's

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<v Speaker 7>say it's true. You can compensate for a lack of

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<v Speaker 7>defensive ordinance by using a lot of offensive ordinance. Now

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<v Speaker 7>is that risky?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes? It is. This whole adventure was risky.

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<v Speaker 7>If we didn't have the heart for it, we shouldn't

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<v Speaker 7>have started it in the first place. But you can't

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<v Speaker 7>go back in history. We cannot go back to a

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<v Speaker 7>world before this war started. The status quob is behind us.

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<v Speaker 7>We have a new status quo in front of us,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's up to us to shape it. So I

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<v Speaker 7>just I don't see these leaks as serving the purpose

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<v Speaker 7>that I think if they're in malign and intent, and

0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.040
<v Speaker 7>they may very very well be, just because they want

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<v Speaker 7>to force the president into a box from which he

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<v Speaker 7>can't escape, that doesn't mean that we have no options

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<v Speaker 7>available to us. The Pentagon has given the President a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of options. He's reluctant to pull the trigger on

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<v Speaker 7>them for a variety of I think very good reasons.

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<v Speaker 7>But that doesn't mean that we won't have options that

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<v Speaker 7>we can't execute.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, and some of the exact details of what I

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about is in his brand new piece there

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<v Speaker 2>at Nationalreview dot Com. When it comes to Iran, the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration leaks like a sieve, he writes in there,

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<v Speaker 2>to the tails, great to talk to you, Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much for being on the program. Mark Davison for

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<v Speaker 2>you Hewitt, we cruise through the bottom of the hour,

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<v Speaker 2>we pop back out. Let's talk a little bit about

0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:09.960
<v Speaker 2>what this all means, what it's like to run a

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<v Speaker 2>war on a clock, what the options are, and how

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<v Speaker 2>the American people may or may not have a stomach

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<v Speaker 2>for what's necessary. Mark Davison, for you stick around, much

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<v Speaker 2>more to come. You may be asking yourself, why would

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<v Speaker 2>I do this to you? If I try to usually

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<v Speaker 2>bring in some cerebral collection of musical birthdays and chart history.

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<v Speaker 2>What in the world am I doing destroying your day

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<v Speaker 2>with Los del Rio the Macarena? Because it is chart history.

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<v Speaker 2>This kid's was the number one record in America thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years ago today. I did not plan this, but this

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<v Speaker 2>happens to be the segment where we do a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a palette cleanser away from everything depressing and

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<v Speaker 2>say hi to one of my favorite writers who I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I've ever had the chance to say hi to.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's let's head to the Land of ten Thousand

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<v Speaker 2>Lakes or whatever the count is up to right now.

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<v Speaker 2>James Lylex is here. How you doing, sir?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm doing fine, and it's a pleasure. Mark.

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<v Speaker 8>I used to listen to you back in d C

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<v Speaker 8>in the nineties when I was working out of the bureau.

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<v Speaker 2>Get out of town. That it is. It's a real,

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<v Speaker 2>real pleasure, thank you very very much.

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<v Speaker 8>And also in the nineteen nineties, of course, I was

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<v Speaker 8>at a political convention when the macarena was very popular.

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<v Speaker 8>Jack Omen, my friend who was the cartoonist for one

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<v Speaker 8>of the papers, and the syndicate in a hilarious cartoon

0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.399
<v Speaker 8>of Al Gore doing the macarena, which just consisted of

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<v Speaker 8>very six still pictures of Gore not moving Higgs and.

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<v Speaker 2>I would expect, I would expect nothing like that, you.

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<v Speaker 6>Know, very that very that.

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<v Speaker 8>But that very night Gore got up on stage and

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<v Speaker 8>did the same thing himself, not moving to parody himself

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<v Speaker 8>and my friend's eyes, entire syndicated cartoon.

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<v Speaker 6>Go up in ashes, and there was not that he

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<v Speaker 6>could do. Oh the nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>That it is the feeling of powerlessness. So in taking

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<v Speaker 2>a look at the various things that James is up to,

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<v Speaker 2>you're always in good shape. Spending a segment on see

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<v Speaker 2>if I have this list complete food, film, pets, and

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<v Speaker 2>sci fi. So I've been taking a look at some

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<v Speaker 2>of the things I've been writing about you and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody else has, but you and I have not done

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<v Speaker 2>sixty seconds on the Odyssey. What do you make of

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<v Speaker 2>the film and the talking sport that it has become.

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<v Speaker 8>The talking sport that has become is great because you

0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:23.639
<v Speaker 8>can get a good quick view of where somebody is

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<v Speaker 8>politically depending on what the object to or what the

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<v Speaker 8>objections of the object to.

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<v Speaker 6>It's great that we're talking about it.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, here's something fundamental piece of Western civilization and

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<v Speaker 8>we're arguing about it, which is great. Everybody gets to

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<v Speaker 8>have their opinion on racial casting and the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 8>We can have that argument. I was discussing actually with

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<v Speaker 8>somebody at the other day why some people actually have

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<v Speaker 8>an objection to race swapping and historical dramas, and it

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<v Speaker 8>was news to this guy. I mean, it was a

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<v Speaker 8>sort of way of looking at it that he'd never

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<v Speaker 8>considered before. So good conversations come out of it. And

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<v Speaker 8>of course there's that great tie in. Apparently you can

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<v Speaker 8>get approach and horse bucket where you dig the popcorn

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<v Speaker 8>out of the belly of the thing. That'll be a

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<v Speaker 8>collective collectable on eBay for at least three dollars and

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<v Speaker 8>fifty cents ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>Hence, so let's say, let's do I knew that every

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<v Speaker 2>answer would give my next question. I could not care

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<v Speaker 2>less that Helen of Troy was black, could not have

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<v Speaker 2>possibly cared less. I am the most activist person you'll

0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:23.480
<v Speaker 2>find on trans lunacy and how that cult must be defeated.

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<v Speaker 2>But I didn't mind three on screen minutes of Elliott Page.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't care. Now that having been said, help

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<v Speaker 2>me square this. Do I need Idris Elba or anybody

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<v Speaker 2>else to be black James Bond? I do not make

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<v Speaker 2>him a cool black British spy, make him double O

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<v Speaker 2>eight is are those? Is it possible to feel both

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<v Speaker 2>of those ways at the same time?

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely so.

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<v Speaker 8>Matter of fact, I agree, there's no there's no problem

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<v Speaker 8>with think having a black James or a black secret

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<v Speaker 8>agent working for MI five with a license to kill.

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<v Speaker 8>But what people object to is the notion that you

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<v Speaker 8>don't get to have the stories of yourture. Now, you

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<v Speaker 8>can't do anything with the stories of these cultures because

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<v Speaker 8>that would be colonialism, appropriation and all the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 6>But you have to have all of your stories an

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<v Speaker 6>adults rator.

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<v Speaker 8>And if you said, okay, so we can't do Woody Harrelson,

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<v Speaker 8>it is not your Ralph Abernathy.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you don't.

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<v Speaker 6>You can have a black Hell and Detroy. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't care either except what people get behind. This

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<v Speaker 6>is the message as a great YouTuber who talks about

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<v Speaker 6>these things is.

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<v Speaker 8>And unless they're giving you the message, somehow they feel

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<v Speaker 8>as that they've failed on the responsibility to educate you

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<v Speaker 8>on what's necessary to think. So but again, Elliott Page

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<v Speaker 8>in the movie, I couldn't care less. So yeah, but

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<v Speaker 8>the idea of just al but going to work with

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<v Speaker 8>the James Bond theme in a tuxedo and doing the

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<v Speaker 8>work of the West, I'd pay good money to see that.

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<v Speaker 2>In a second, I want to tell you what I

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<v Speaker 2>would pay. I'd do a house payment to see what

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<v Speaker 2>Doy Haroldson has talked to. Ralph Abernathy. So, speaking of

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<v Speaker 2>the culture and things like the Odyssey that can be

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<v Speaker 2>high minded and popcorn munching entertainment, you wrote a piece

0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:05.440
<v Speaker 2>called from Concertos to Cage Matches. It seemed to celebrate

0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:10.080
<v Speaker 2>America's comfort zone mixing high and low culture. I've always

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<v Speaker 2>mixed high in low culture in my brain and found

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<v Speaker 2>ways to enjoy both. I don't see how that is

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<v Speaker 2>even a disconnect.

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<v Speaker 6>No, now that do I.

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<v Speaker 8>And unfortunately you're referring to something that I wrote probably

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<v Speaker 8>a month ago, which I have absolutely no memory whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 8>You write this much, your brains just sort of goes

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<v Speaker 8>terms like an etches sketch upside down and wipes it out.

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<v Speaker 8>But I seem to recall that the great thing about

0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:33.280
<v Speaker 8>the country was, yes, you can have this American celebration

0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:35.400
<v Speaker 8>that Trump had in the White House that has kid

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<v Speaker 8>rocked at all, And that's as much of America as

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<v Speaker 8>the high blown Leonard Bernstein works that we found, which

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<v Speaker 8>found a new way to express Western civin American tenalities.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, so that's what I love about this country

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<v Speaker 8>is the way that we've always done that and the

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<v Speaker 8>way we've also had a middle brow culture. But the

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<v Speaker 8>middle brow is going away. It's being squeezed. We have

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<v Speaker 8>less high brow than before because people are suspicious of it.

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<v Speaker 8>Middlebro seems to be evaporating, and unfortunately we're getting able

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<v Speaker 8>a little bit too dominating, I think by the lowbrow

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<v Speaker 8>culture that swamps the gun Wales, and I wish we

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<v Speaker 8>had a little bit more of the middle brow aspiration

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<v Speaker 8>to cultural goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>But what would be I agree with you, what would be?

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<v Speaker 2>I could certainly give you an example of high brow

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<v Speaker 2>and lowbrow, ten examples each. What would be what is

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<v Speaker 2>your go to middle brow cultural taste?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, perfect example Norman Rockwell.

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<v Speaker 8>When I was growing up, of course, everybody had to

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<v Speaker 8>sneer at girl Norman Rockwell because it was just oh

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<v Speaker 8>so American, an obvious and cliche and a magazine cover.

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<v Speaker 6>And then later in life you realize the technique the manhad,

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<v Speaker 6>and his ability to tell.

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<v Speaker 8>His story so simply, and the wonderful ability to inhabit

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<v Speaker 8>American culture.

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<v Speaker 6>Rockwall is perfect middle.

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<v Speaker 8>Brow, but it's the middle brough of an era when

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<v Speaker 8>artistic standards were still in place.

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<v Speaker 6>The middlebrow aspiration of the fifties and sixties was.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm going to get that boxed set of the greatest

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<v Speaker 8>things pieces of Western literature. I'm going to get those

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<v Speaker 8>forty five records that tell me the five symphonies I

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<v Speaker 8>need to do. I'm going to get this serious mega

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<v Speaker 8>see that explains modern painting to me. All of these

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<v Speaker 8>things had required work. They required work and talent, and

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<v Speaker 8>were simply somebody doing graffiti on a wall or putting

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<v Speaker 8>a bucket of vomit on the you know, in the

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<v Speaker 8>museum biennial and saying this is O No, there was

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<v Speaker 8>still something that required actual talented technical ability.

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<v Speaker 2>So I knew I would have fun, and I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you all did too, and it's always great. His substack

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<v Speaker 2>Best to your great state of Minnesota, filled with great

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<v Speaker 2>Will you glad you're here in for Hugh Hewitt today

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<v Speaker 2>and tomorrow? And we're keeping track of anything going on

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<v Speaker 2>in the days, continuing breaking news, taking a look at

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<v Speaker 2>large thematic things as we work towards the midterms, and

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<v Speaker 2>in this particular case, as we begin this half hour,

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<v Speaker 2>looking at a question that a lot of people are

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<v Speaker 2>asking with a gentleman who wrote a piece that I

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<v Speaker 2>saw over the weekend that I went to Danielle and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, hey, let's see if we can find this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have succeeded. I'm very very pleased about that.

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<v Speaker 2>If there is anything that Democrats are curious about, it's

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<v Speaker 2>the question what in the world is going on in

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrat Party. If there's anything Republicans are interested in

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<v Speaker 2>and talking about, it's what in the world is going

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<v Speaker 2>on in the Democrat Party? It is listen, obviously, Republicans,

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<v Speaker 2>we got issues on Tapa issues, you know, how do

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<v Speaker 2>we message how do we fend off disaster? November third?

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<v Speaker 2>But just as as MAGA and the Tea Party started

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<v Speaker 2>as sort of insurgencies within the Republican sphere, what is

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<v Speaker 2>this DSA thing? What is this multi headed serpent? And

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<v Speaker 2>it is that the proper metaphor? Or is it the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing that can inject energy into the party

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<v Speaker 2>and give them even more success? So it's calling through stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>In there with the wallstre Journal from a gentleman named

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<v Speaker 2>Terrell Wright was an article called these Democratic voters are

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<v Speaker 2>battling over what their party stands for. And I talk

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<v Speaker 2>to people who are discussing that every day. So I

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<v Speaker 2>figured let's see if we could get mister Wright, Terrell

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Davison for you. You it is a pleasure to see.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing, sir.

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<v Speaker 9>Markham?

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<v Speaker 6>Good? How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely great? Give me a little bio on you. How

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<v Speaker 2>long what is a news associate? And how long have you

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<v Speaker 2>been at the Wall Street Journal?

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<v Speaker 9>So the news associated is I'm basically a reporter with

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<v Speaker 9>the Wall Street Journal, just early career here reporting out

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<v Speaker 9>of Washington on our politics coverage. So I've been covering

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<v Speaker 9>the midterm elections for the past few months in the

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<v Speaker 9>run up and all of the exciting, crazy chaotic moments.

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<v Speaker 2>Only more adventures lie ahead. And where are you're from?

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<v Speaker 2>Where'd you go to school? What's your story?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I'm from Georgia. I'm from Walton County, Georgia. If

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<v Speaker 9>any of your listeners know where that is, that's right

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<v Speaker 9>outside of Atlanta. Went to school in Connecticut and graduated

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<v Speaker 9>and lived here in DC currently Connecticut College and studied economics.

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<v Speaker 2>And well, this is a really, really fine piece of

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<v Speaker 2>journalism because you found out now, was this you compiling

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<v Speaker 2>conversations that a lot of people did, or from Michigan

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<v Speaker 2>to New Jersey? Were you actually talk at all these

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<v Speaker 2>people yourself? Because you certainly curated it in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that was a really nice snapshot of how various Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>are feeling.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes.

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<v Speaker 9>So I went to Detroit to talk to a few voters. Particularly.

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<v Speaker 9>I followed around Donovan McKinney, who is a Democratic Socialist

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<v Speaker 9>running for a seat in Detroit. His race is actually tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 9>He's running against Representativestry on Indoor, and I just went

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<v Speaker 9>on door knocking, sort of went on a door knocking

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<v Speaker 9>campaign with him and and tagged along and I interviewed

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<v Speaker 9>several voters who said they were supporting him.

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<v Speaker 6>I also talked to voters in.

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<v Speaker 9>Primary throughout the country in New York, Colorado, and then

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<v Speaker 9>some voters who are close to some of the epicenters

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<v Speaker 9>of where democratic socialism is really having a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, gotcha. So some of the examples you found

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 2>and the people used to they're wonderful pictures of all

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 2>of them, and it made me want to have conversations

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 2>with them myself. A lady named Christine McClellan, she's from Detroit.

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<v Speaker 2>She's seventy two, so she's seen some things done, some

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<v Speaker 2>voting in her life, and she says she is supporting

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:31.400
<v Speaker 2>mister McKinney, the Democrat socialist, because he wants to end

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<v Speaker 2>American wars overseas. Other people say they're supporting the socialists

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 2>because of their what that strikes them as better messaging

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:43.760
<v Speaker 2>on affordability, and those are things that mainstream politicians can feel.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing that mister McKinney at no point began his

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<v Speaker 2>conversation by saying I want to do away with the

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<v Speaker 2>Pentagon and have no borders and no prisons. Is it

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<v Speaker 2>because he doesn't feel that way? Is there's not one

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<v Speaker 2>cut and paste democratic socialist. What's what's your thought?

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<v Speaker 9>I think, like President Trump, one thing that's really interesting

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<v Speaker 9>is that these Democratic Socialists candidates are seen as insurgents.

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:12.479
<v Speaker 9>They're not running on track records per se. They're running

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<v Speaker 9>on sort of promises and ideas that are very popular

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 9>among a lot of voters. For example, Christine McClellan, that

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 9>seventy two year old her nephew is abroad right now,

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 9>and she's incredibly worried about what's going on in the

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<v Speaker 9>Middle East and in the the Iran US War. And so,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, McKinney, not once when he was campaigning, when

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<v Speaker 9>I was with him, did the word socialism come out

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<v Speaker 9>of his mouth. But what came out of his mouth

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<v Speaker 9>was talking about ending wars abroad and stopping sort of conflicts,

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<v Speaker 9>and that was what really sold her. So I think,

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<v Speaker 9>like President Trump, sort of this insurgent message of you know,

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 9>we're going to change the party. We're here to fight

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 9>for people, rather than sort of, you know, the party,

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:02.400
<v Speaker 9>the GOP itself. The message is actually the selling point.

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<v Speaker 9>It's not necessarily a detracting attribute to a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>these candidates, and it's why we see them winning, specifically

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 9>in heavily democratic districts where Democrats we are going to

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 9>win anyway. But these are Democrats who are sick of

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 9>the party because they don't feel that the fight against

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 9>President Trump is hard enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Your article, also for balance, features of some voters who

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<v Speaker 2>are alarmed by this leftward lurch, not thrilled with the

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<v Speaker 2>whole socialist vibe, concerned about anti semitism, and it would

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<v Speaker 2>seem like I'm describing maybe an older traditionalist jfk Era voter.

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<v Speaker 2>The one I'm looking at is an eighteen year old

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<v Speaker 2>from New Jersey who you identify as a moderate, who

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<v Speaker 2>says the rise of Democrats socialism has pushed him farther

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<v Speaker 2>away from the Democrat Party. He's Jewish, he says, Democrats

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 2>aren't doing enough to curb anti Semitism. And again he's eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's not just the older folks who remember the

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<v Speaker 2>can Eddies, the Humphries, the LBJs who are raising an

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<v Speaker 2>eyebrow at this trend of the moment.

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<v Speaker 9>Absolutely not. And I think one fascinating thing about the

0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 9>entirety of this piece is that a lot of the

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<v Speaker 9>voters that we talked to were of different age ranges,

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<v Speaker 9>and they had kind of surprising views. You know, for example,

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<v Speaker 9>like a seventy two year old is supporting a Democratic Socialist.

0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:24.200
<v Speaker 9>That's a little confusing even for me when I was

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 9>interviewing these voters. But yeah, Sam Kaine, who was an

0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 9>eighteen year old in New Jersey, one thing that was

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 9>really important to him was moderation and not really having

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<v Speaker 9>sort of this sort of combative spirit and attitude that

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 9>Democratic Socialist had. He was someone that really valued American

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 9>sort of principles like like free markets and whatnot, and

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<v Speaker 9>said that, you know, these Democratic Socialists are taking the

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<v Speaker 9>party further away from the principles that it should be

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<v Speaker 9>far more focused on, and kind of jolting in a

0:32:56.960 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 9>direction that is Unamerican, as he described, and his representative

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<v Speaker 9>Josh Gottheimer, who has been rather combative with the Democratic.

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<v Speaker 3>Socialists on social media, said that, you know that socialists

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<v Speaker 3>are not representative of the Democratic parties and uh and

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 3>he actually felt that way as well.

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<v Speaker 9>He said that, you know, I don't share sentiment with

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:21.760
<v Speaker 9>these people. They don't They don't believe in the same

0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 9>things that that I believe in. And as a Jewish American,

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:30.760
<v Speaker 9>I think that they've been rather combative of the Israeli government,

0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:32.920
<v Speaker 9>which is one thing, but he feels that they've gone

0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 9>a little bit too far and making Jewish voters feel uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 9>So there's there's you know, there's a lot of different

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<v Speaker 9>perspective from a lot of different age ranges. It's it's

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<v Speaker 9>not just you know, one size fid all that this

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 9>group supports socialism, this group doesn't support socialism.

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<v Speaker 6>It's it's far.

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<v Speaker 9>More sort of chaotic of a fight going down in

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<v Speaker 9>the Democratic Party than one might assume, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to say, And everybody to the Wall Street Journal,

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<v Speaker 2>Terrell right, and the title is these Democratic voters are

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<v Speaker 2>battling over what their party stands for. Yes, they are,

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<v Speaker 2>and how that fight goes is important to Democrats and

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:09.840
<v Speaker 2>pretty important to Republicans as well, mister Wright. Pleasure to

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<v Speaker 2>meet you and congrats on the great work and thanks

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<v Speaker 2>I'm mean, Hewett, and I thank you for you. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty usual drill. I know we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about stuff on a play, some clips, talk about stuff

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<v Speaker 2>in the news, take some calls. But I also know

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm going to try to find things that are

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<v Speaker 2>of interest, to find pieces that people have written that

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<v Speaker 2>raise my eyebrow. And one of them was by a

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<v Speaker 2>gentleman named Connor Boyak and the Washington Examiner, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>about these flock cameras. Piece is called you never approved

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<v Speaker 2>this camera, so why is it watching you? Connor is here. Welcome, Sarah,

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<v Speaker 2>nice to meet you.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks for having me. Mark look forward to chat with you.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're the president of something called Libertas. What's that?

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<v Speaker 11>So Liberta's institute actually our statue of liberty. Her name,

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<v Speaker 11>the Roman goddess of liberty, is Libertus, so we take

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 11>our name from her, and our institute is a think

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:48.000
<v Speaker 11>tank that works on a variety of policy issues dealing

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<v Speaker 11>with free markets and education, but also privacy, and so

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<v Speaker 11>a topic like these flock cameras is of interest to

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<v Speaker 11>us as we're trying to figure out how state legislators

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<v Speaker 11>can better protect the privacy of Americans and make sure

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:04.359
<v Speaker 11>that law enforcement does not just allow these devices to

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<v Speaker 11>create a surveillance drag at society that nobody, or I

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<v Speaker 11>should say few people in America wants. So we focus

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<v Speaker 11>on how can we change the laws to better protect

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<v Speaker 11>privacy and that's what we're working on with Fluck.

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<v Speaker 2>The very first paragraph of your watching of your Examiner

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<v Speaker 2>piece jumped out of me because it's a visual from

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<v Speaker 2>right down the road for me, Connor writes, on the

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<v Speaker 2>morning of July fourth, someone in Houston cut two surveillance

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 2>cameras in half and draped an American flag over the wreckage.

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<v Speaker 2>That might be the most Texas thing that happened on

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth of July. I totally get it. I get

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<v Speaker 2>the privacy concerns. I also get if a law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>officer tells me, you know how many child rapists we

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<v Speaker 2>might find, you know how many drug dealers we might find,

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:50.239
<v Speaker 2>you know how many escape convicts we might find. There

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<v Speaker 2>is a balance here. Tell me how that balance looks

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<v Speaker 2>to you, And do you while you come down on

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<v Speaker 2>the privacy side, and I don't come down against that side,

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<v Speaker 2>can you see? And how some people might think these

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<v Speaker 2>cameras are pretty awesome?

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<v Speaker 11>There's no question, And in fact, in my op ed,

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<v Speaker 11>I concede that these types of technologies absolutely do enable

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<v Speaker 11>law enforcement to better be able to investigate crime and

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<v Speaker 11>find and punish criminals, and that, on its face.

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<v Speaker 6>Is a good thing.

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<v Speaker 11>However, the job of citizens and their citizen legislators is

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<v Speaker 11>not to make the job of law enforcement easy. By contrasts,

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<v Speaker 11>their job is supposed to be difficult. The Fourth Amendment

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<v Speaker 11>in particular makes it difficult. One might imagine the British

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<v Speaker 11>Red Coats two hundred and fifty years ago saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 11>but it's so easy for us to write our rits

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<v Speaker 11>of assistance and search wherever we want for those rabble

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<v Speaker 11>rousers who are breaking into law and violating the King's edicts.

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<v Speaker 11>But the founders did not like that. They said, in

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<v Speaker 11>the Fourth Amendment, we have to have what's called particularity,

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<v Speaker 11>which means we have to suspect an individual of an

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<v Speaker 11>actual crime, none of this blanket searching and fishing expeditions.

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<v Speaker 11>They said, you need probable cause, which means that you

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<v Speaker 11>need judicial review right, and you have to get a warrant.

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<v Speaker 11>And so these are the basic requirements that law enforcement

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<v Speaker 11>have had to operate under. The problem with FLOCK and

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<v Speaker 11>other technologies like it is they create this massive database

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<v Speaker 11>that law enforcement has easy access to. No judicial oversight,

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<v Speaker 11>no warrant, no probable cause, no individual suspicion of crime.

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<v Speaker 6>They can just go on.

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<v Speaker 11>These broad fishing expeditions. And so our balancing test has

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<v Speaker 11>already been achieved by the Founding fathers. That is to say,

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<v Speaker 11>databases and cameras and the like are okay on their face,

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<v Speaker 11>but if law enforcement wants to use them, if they

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<v Speaker 11>want to access people's private information and be able to

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<v Speaker 11>quote unquote spy on people, they just need to go

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<v Speaker 11>through the proper steps, which the Fourth Amendment lays out.

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<v Speaker 2>So in describing what they have to do to get

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<v Speaker 2>into our house, to get into our businesses, you're completely right,

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<v Speaker 2>and I obviously that resonates with me as a Fourth

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<v Speaker 2>Amendment fan. But everybody driving, you're not in your house,

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<v Speaker 2>The flock cameras aren't looking at you in your living room.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody is out on the public streets. So what are

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<v Speaker 2>the negatives? What's the downside of?

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<v Speaker 6>Again?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I can imagine in my own head the

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<v Speaker 2>notion of finding a license plate of note, everybody knows

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<v Speaker 2>where you are, they are able to track you all

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<v Speaker 2>over the place. We presume the benevolence of a praiseworthy

0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 2>law enforcement effort, but in the wrong hands, all that

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:14.920
<v Speaker 2>information can come back and bite you hard in the butt.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, you actually raised a very important question mark. And

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<v Speaker 11>I might offer another example other than the one that

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<v Speaker 11>you cited, and that is January six Everyone remembers January sixth,

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<v Speaker 11>and what happened. FBI literally drew a map around the

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<v Speaker 11>Capitol and they handed it to Variezon and Google and others,

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<v Speaker 11>and they use what's called a geofence search, which allowed

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<v Speaker 11>them to say, hey, cell phone companies, we want to

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<v Speaker 11>know anyone who happened to be within this radius during

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<v Speaker 11>this period of time so that we can go investigate them.

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<v Speaker 11>And so it just creates a problem when you have

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<v Speaker 11>these huge databases full of information. So I'll answer your

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:51.919
<v Speaker 11>question more acutely, why should we be concerned if we're

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<v Speaker 11>out in public? You rightly point out that the Fourth

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<v Speaker 11>Amendment was primarily concerned with people's papers effects in their home,

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<v Speaker 11>in their private spaces. But when we have new technologies

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<v Speaker 11>that give a step change of new functionality for the government. Right,

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<v Speaker 11>license plate readers have been around for years and years

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<v Speaker 11>and years, and when it's just tracking your license plate,

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:12.719
<v Speaker 11>that's fairly benign. So, yes, you have a reasonable expectation

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<v Speaker 11>of privacy in your home, do you really have one

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<v Speaker 11>if you're out and about, well, when the government now

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<v Speaker 11>has an easy ability to map everywhere you've gone, including

0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:25.280
<v Speaker 11>potentially controversial places, embarrassing places. When they have a massive

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:29.839
<v Speaker 11>database where your ex spouse or enemies or others can

0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 11>go on a fishing expedition and find that information out

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<v Speaker 11>about you. When they can create a fingerprint of the car,

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<v Speaker 11>as they call it, which isn't just your license plate,

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<v Speaker 11>what's the make, what's the model, what bumper stickers does

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<v Speaker 11>it have, they're basically creating a surveillance system to track

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<v Speaker 11>you're everywhere about. This is very different than decades or

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 11>centuries ago when the government would you know, a policeman

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<v Speaker 11>would be standing on the side of the road and

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:54.880
<v Speaker 11>happen to him or herself observe something. We're now talking

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<v Speaker 11>about a dragnet society. And I think there has to be,

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<v Speaker 11>because of these new technologies, a different balancing test, and

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<v Speaker 11>that is to say, people do have a reasonable expectation

0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:06.400
<v Speaker 11>of privacy when they go about their day, they go

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<v Speaker 11>to their church, they go to their work, to not

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<v Speaker 11>have this constant or willy in society documenting their every move.

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<v Speaker 11>And so I think that's a balancing test or a

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:18.320
<v Speaker 11>conversation that needs to be had so that the courts

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<v Speaker 11>can better catch up with what these new technologies are

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<v Speaker 11>empowering the government to do when it comes to tracking us.

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<v Speaker 2>In our last minute or so. Nobody's going to condone

0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:28.640
<v Speaker 2>the vigilante destruction of these cameras, But you have a

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:32.719
<v Speaker 2>great sentence. A nation's law breaking, like its laws, can

0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:35.759
<v Speaker 2>be informative. Americans defied the fifty five mile an hour

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 2>speed limits so universally that it had to go away.

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<v Speaker 2>Prohibition era juries often refuse to convict bootleggers, sending a

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<v Speaker 2>clear message about their perception of the laws in justice.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that is the fate of the flock camera?

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<v Speaker 2>People will look at the wreckage of them on street

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<v Speaker 2>corners and say, we got to dial this back.

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<v Speaker 11>I think the fact that we are seeing this lawlessness,

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<v Speaker 11>as many would call it, is emblematic of the fact

0:43:59.880 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 11>that the pendulum has swung too far, that we've gotten

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:05.960
<v Speaker 11>ahead of ourselves. That law enforcement agencies, however excited they

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 11>are to solve crimes, have adopted and introduced into their

0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 11>communities technologies and surveillance capability that the citizens were neither

0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:17.840
<v Speaker 11>aware of nor consented to. And so what that suggests is,

0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:20.200
<v Speaker 11>while you've got these law breakers out there cutting them down,

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<v Speaker 11>Hey lawmakers, you're a city councilor a mayor a state legislator,

0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:27.640
<v Speaker 11>maybe we need to have more awareness, more oversight, more transparency,

0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 11>more conversation to say, is it right that law enforcements

0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:34.360
<v Speaker 11>set these up in the community without there being a

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:37.480
<v Speaker 11>discussion or awareness by citizens. And so I just think

0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:40.080
<v Speaker 11>what we're seeing by people cutting down those polls, what

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<v Speaker 11>they're doing is reflective of the fact that law enforcement

0:44:42.680 --> 0:44:44.680
<v Speaker 11>has gotten ahead of their skis a little bit. We

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<v Speaker 11>got to pull it back and we got to have

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<v Speaker 11>a better conversation as a people about what do we want. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 11>we could if we lived in a surveillance state have

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<v Speaker 11>no more crime. In theory, I don't think that's really true.

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<v Speaker 11>But what is that balance and have we achieved it?

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<v Speaker 2>Just spectacular segment. Sure, thank you Connor Boyak C boyag

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<v Speaker 2>b O y A c K on the old ex

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter there. I knew that would be great and it

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<v Speaker 2>was