1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: The question I would want to ask her to be 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: honest before the Lord is say, Lord, it looks like 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: you betrayed me. It looks like you were absent. Now. 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: I don't believe we approach the Lord with a spirit 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: of pride or accusation, but I do believe we have 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: to approach him honestly. Lord, where were you? Now? Don't 7 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: dump your stuff and leave? Yeah, before him and be 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: honest with him. And wait, So what would I say? 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: You need to get a word? You need to just 10 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: clear your calendar and get before the Lord and do 11 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: some business with Jesus. 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 2: Welcome to Love Life Sober. I'm your host and your coach, 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: Christy Osborne. This podcast is for the woman who loves 14 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: Jesus or is longing to reconnect with him, and who 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: knows deep down that alcohol is no longer serving her. 16 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 2: Here we talk honestly, with grace and truth about how 17 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 2: stepping away from alcohol opens the door to the love, joy, 18 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: peace and connection you've been searching for. Because, Babe, those 19 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: things were never meant to be found in a bottle 20 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: of wine. They're found in Jesus. Through scripture, coaching and neuroscience, 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: I'll help you make sense of your habits, your nervous system, 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: and what you're really craving so that freedom feels not 23 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: only possible, but sustainable. You don't have to do this alone, babe. 24 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: Let's dive in today's conversation is one that I think 25 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: many of us need to hear, especially if you've ever 26 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: found yourself trying harder, doing more, reading more books, listening 27 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: to more podcasts, praying more prayers, and still feeling exhausted. 28 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: If we're honest, so many of us approach our freedom 29 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 2: journey the same way we approach everything else in our lives. 30 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 2: We strive, we perform, we white knuckle, we try to 31 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: fix ourselves. But what if that's not actually what God 32 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: is asking of us. My guest today is my friend 33 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: Christopher Cook. He's the author of Healing What You Can't Erase, 34 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: a speaker, and the host of the Win Today podcast. 35 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: If you're in our community, you also love his substack, 36 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: because I'm reposting it in there all the time. In 37 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: this conversation, we talk about sanctification, surrender, the hidden burdens 38 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: we carry, and what it really means to let God 39 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: transform us. We talk about why freedom isn't simply about 40 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: removing alcohol or changing your behavior, but about becoming more 41 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: like Jesus. If you're tired, if you've been carrying things 42 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: that God never asked you to carry. The invitation today 43 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: is simply this, come, take learn find Okay, my friend, 44 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: let's dive in. Christopher, how are you, my. 45 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: Friend, my friend, It's great to see you. 46 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: It's so good to see you too. I love talking 47 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: with you. Likewise, the gals in the Love Life Sober 48 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: Community are such big fans of your writing and your encouragement, 49 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: and you've put out so many good things, both in 50 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: substack and your podcast lately. When I was trying to 51 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: kind of drill down and figure out where we should 52 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: go for today, it was hard. And the thing that 53 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: keeps coming back to me is that this journey of 54 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: kind of leaving alcohol behind is about so much more 55 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: than the end goal of, for example, being alcohol free 56 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: or quitting the thing. It is about this ongoing process 57 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: of getting to be more like Jesus. In the beautiful 58 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: gals that I get to work with. So many things 59 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: come up along this journey from identity to who God 60 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: really is? What does He really think about me? Like 61 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: all of these beautiful things that we get to uncover, 62 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: and so I wanted to talk about sanctification to kick 63 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: us off today. I love that. 64 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. 65 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: For the gals who this is maybe new to or 66 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: are just like waiting into to being a disciple of Jesus, 67 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: what does that mean? 68 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: The idea of sanctification, Christy is the idea of being 69 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: set apart, and it breaks down to a couple different concepts. 70 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: We're set apart from and we're set apart too. Here's 71 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: what I mean, as disciples of Jesus pursuing the Lord, 72 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: pursuing an experience based knowledge of the Lord. We're set 73 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: apart from the systems, the mindset's, the proclivities of the world. 74 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: And then we're set apart to him. We're sanctified to him, 75 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: set apart for the Master's use, set apart for his purposes. 76 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: So it's not just about perhaps looking away from all 77 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: that distracts. It's looking to the one who calls us 78 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: by name, because it's one thing too. Maybe look away 79 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: from the cares of the world, but we still have 80 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: to fix our focus on something. Sanctification two is setting 81 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: our gaze and so that's the idea of being sanctified. 82 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: There's a verse I'll read you here in Psalm twenty five, 83 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: verse one in the amplified this is a brilliant picture 84 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 1: of sanctification. In a way, it says, unto you, O Lord, 85 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: do I bring my life there? It is unto you, 86 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: O Lord, I bring you my whole life? Is what's 87 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: my whole life? It's my perspectives, my mindsets, the secret 88 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: closets of my heart. I'm sure we'll get into this, 89 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: but very few of us, I'm speaking for myself right now, 90 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: are really good at giving the Lord access to every 91 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: area of our heart. We're like, yeah, I've got this. 92 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: I have little secret closets of disappointment and desire and whatever. 93 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: And we're like, we're better at managing this than you are, 94 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: because disappointment told me I can't trust you, so you 95 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: do everything else. I'm going to hold onto this area 96 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: of my life and he wants it all so unto 97 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: you or do I bring my life sanctification sanctified from 98 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: sanctified too? 99 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: I love that so much, and I'm sure that Gal's 100 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 2: listening will automatically think of that one secret closet as 101 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: being alcohol or whatever. The other thing is that God's 102 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 2: working on you with right Now, how do you kind 103 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: of balance the way that you just described focusing on 104 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: God with this whole striving, white knuckling, trying to be better, 105 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 2: trying to do good, trying to do everything. Because I 106 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 2: think a lot of times, speaking for myself, I fall 107 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: into that it is about doing more, reading more, listening, more, writing, more, 108 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 2: whatever it is. And you actually said something so profound 109 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: with em the other day when you guys did your 110 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 2: recording together about like what has God given you today 111 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: to steward and like what are you like overreaching for? 112 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: I want to talk to the woman that heard what 113 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 2: you just said and thought it means I have to 114 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: do more. 115 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: Okay, the moment we get into striving and works of 116 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: the flesh, it's our responsibility to provide the supply, the strength, 117 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: the sustenance for whatever we're doing. Here's another scripture, Psalm 118 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: sixty eight nineteen again Amplified. I'm gonna be in the 119 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: amplified this morning. Blessed be the Lord who bears our 120 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: burdens and carries us day by day, even the God 121 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: who is our salvation. I want to I want to 122 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: hang out there can keep that in mind, and then 123 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: I want to go to first Peter five familiar verse, 124 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: but perhaps unknown to us in the context through which 125 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: I want to speak, And in five seven he says, 126 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: casting the whole of our care, all our anxieties, upon 127 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: the Lord he cares for us. Right, that's not the 128 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: start of a new thought. It's the continuation of a 129 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: previous thought. And he says, clothe yourselves in humility. So 130 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: before we can ever cast our burdens on the Lord, 131 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: we have to clothe ourselves in humility and say, I'm 132 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: not smart enough to run my life. How do we 133 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: balance it? There is no balance. When God is number one, 134 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: there is no number two. It goes back to the 135 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: verse I read in Psalm twenty five. Unto you, O Lord, 136 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: do I bring my whole life? He has everything. Blessed 137 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: be the Lord who bears my burdens and carries me 138 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: day by day. So, Father, I'm giving you the cares 139 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: of my heart. Today. I'm practicing as my mentor Jamie 140 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: Winship says, I'm practicing the art of self emptying. I'm 141 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: not smart enough to run my life. So the question 142 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: I'd like to kind of flip it back to the 143 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: folks hanging out with us today is have you normalized 144 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: carrying more than you should carry and you're just calling 145 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: it Tuesday. Imagine having a backpack answer, yeah, yeah, Christy. 146 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: Imagine having a backpack full of bricks and you're like, 147 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: as is really heavy, and each one of those bricks 148 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: represents cares, anxieties, failures, regrets, moments of shame, and every 149 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: time those happen, there's occur another brick gets added to 150 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: the backpack. And you have carried this thing for so 151 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: long that right now you can't tell the difference between 152 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: that weighty, unnecessary thing on your back and just normal life. 153 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: So you've called that dysfunction normal, and my thing is, hey, 154 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: we actually normal. Christian life is self emptying. Father, Here 155 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: are the cares of my heart. Father, fill me. One 156 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: of my favorite things to pray every day is Father, 157 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: fill me with your spirit. Today be being filled with 158 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit. Honestly, there is no balancing of it. 159 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: Here's my whole heart, cast my cares upon you. I 160 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: trust you and a lot of us who have been 161 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: through bouts of whether anxiety, fear, depression, addiction, whatever, there 162 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: are root trust issues that we have to resolve. Our 163 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: loves and our longings have to be reordered. That's where 164 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: you start. So it's like, I keep going back to 165 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: this phrase of how do we balance it? That's sort 166 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: of like the surface level response, and I'm going to say, 167 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: we got to get way under the hood to look 168 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: at the motivation and the overall dominant worldview. How am 169 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: I looking at my life? Am I a victim of life? 170 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: Am I out here alone? Do I have to make 171 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: it happen? I want to get to that, and that'll 172 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: answer the balance question. That'll answer the question how do 173 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: I do this? That'll fix it all. 174 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you did a podcast with Alex Seeley. I don't 175 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 2: know if it was recorded recently, but it was dropped 176 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: recently on the Power of the Holy Spirit, which was 177 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: so good if you all link it in the show 178 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: notes for you gals, it was so incredibly powerful. But 179 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: after I listened to that podcast, first of all, I 180 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: sent it around to everybody. Then I bought her book 181 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: and that has been my prayer recently too, is Holy 182 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 2: Spirit let me just sometimes it is just about adding 183 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 2: bricks as opposed to figuring out which bricks the Holy 184 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: Spirit wants you to have. So for the woman that 185 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: does feel like that, where she's like, oh my gosh, 186 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: that has really touched my heart. I know that I 187 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 2: need to put some things down. What does that practically 188 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: look like to take the bricks out of the backpack? 189 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: First of all, it happens in community, not in isolation. 190 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: And that's what I love about you and your work 191 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: because healing happens in community. This is where vulnerability really 192 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: comes into play. What does it look like to set 193 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: those bricks down? Well, you know, in your mentoring relationship 194 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: or in your confessional community. As Kurt Thompson would say, Yeah, 195 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: this is confessing to one another that you maybe heal Janie. 196 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: And again, confession isn't necessarily apologizing for anything. It's telling 197 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: the truth about what's happening. It's saying, let's say, I'm 198 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: in your community and I'm saying, Christy, I gotta tell 199 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: you I have been carrying this. I don't know what 200 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: to do with this. I know it's too heavy. I 201 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: can't continue to carry this. Will you pray for me? 202 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: Confession is bringing things into the light and saying the 203 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: same thing as the Lord, I am not wired to 204 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: carry this. Does that make sense? I think that's the 205 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: practical step. And then it's developing rhythms, not striving rhythms, 206 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: but Holy spirit led rhythms that are like, Okay, what 207 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: am I doing to self empty today? What am I 208 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: doing to let go of this burden today? Yeah, it's 209 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: a critical step, and so I would say those are 210 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: two very important things we can do. 211 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 2: We'll be back right after a click word from our sponsors. 212 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: You wrote recently about establishing a rubric before the crisis 213 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: on knowing who God is. It was in this The 214 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: most Dangerous Lie you believe about God is an article. 215 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 2: I think. I just remember figuring out this sounds so silly, 216 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: but like figuring out who God was when I was 217 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 2: crying into my Bible within the first few weeks of deciding, 218 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 2: I didn't want to drink anymore, right, because I grew 219 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: up in John MacArthur's church, which was called Grace, which 220 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: is hilarious because I had no idea what Grace really literally. 221 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Yeah. 222 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: Oh, so I did not know what Grace was, even 223 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 2: though I attended Grace Community until that moment. And I 224 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: needed to figure out who God really was, and I 225 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: needed to read the Bible cover to cover and really 226 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 2: learn for myself who he was so that I could 227 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 2: trust him for the woman who basically maybe is new 228 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: to this, because a lot of the gals in community, 229 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: for example, like are coming back to church for the 230 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: first time or grew up in the church, or re 231 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 2: exploring their relationship with Jesus because they know they can't 232 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 2: do this alcohol journey alone. Why is getting to know 233 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: who God is so important for being able to trust 234 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 2: him and do all the things you just said. 235 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: Scripture says Israel knew his acts, Moses knew his ways. 236 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: A lot of times when we see circumstances in life, 237 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: if we don't know the nature of the Lord in 238 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: those circumstances, we could easily misdiagnose those circumstances, and what 239 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: we misdiagnose we will mistreat. So knowing the nature of 240 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: the Lord, his unchanging nature, gives us a rock upon 241 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: which we can stand when we face trials of various kinds. 242 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: As James says, it's very important. And here's a practical 243 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: step to do. That is the Psalmist would say in 244 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: Psalm forty two, I remember when you did this, this, 245 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: and this. What is remembering, It's refocusing the affections of 246 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: our heart, It's calibrating the lens Psalm seventy seven talks 247 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: about remembering the testimony of the Lord. So we're looking 248 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: back to get perspective on our history with the Lord 249 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: to give us the ability to look forward into the 250 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 1: future with hope. Whatever we're facing today is daunting, and 251 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: adversity has a way of shouting loudly, so to speak 252 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: to say, where's your God now? If he loved you, 253 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you be free of this or whatever. We 254 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: have to be so rooted in our resolve and our 255 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: relationship with the nature of the Lord that when we 256 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: face circumstances outside our control, we're not grappling for stability 257 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: like we're thrashing in the waves of the sea. What 258 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: we're doing is resting on the Rock who does not change. Again, 259 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: Israel knew his acts, Moses knew his ways. Does that 260 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: make sense? When we understand the nature of the Lord, 261 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: we can look at our present circumstances through the lens 262 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: of He's forever faithful, he does not change. It's like, 263 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: what is what does the Lord say about himself in scripture? 264 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm faithful, I'm wrong, suffering, I don't change, 265 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: I'm redeemer, I'm restorer, I'm healer, I'm deliverer. That's what 266 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: the Lord says about who he is, and he cannot 267 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: change deliverer, restore. Those aren't activities that he does. Those 268 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: are aspects of his nature that are inseparable from who 269 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: he is. So anytime we face circumstances where we need 270 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: deliverance restoration. Now, it doesn't mean it would happen in 271 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: the blink of an eye, and it could. What it 272 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: does mean is we have a rock upon which we 273 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: can fall through the adversity to say, Okay, I trust 274 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: in the Lord with my whole heart. I lean and 275 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: rely on him and I won't be moved. That's what 276 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: That's why it's so important to rest rather to nestle 277 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: our our resolve in the nature of the Lord. 278 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, because when it doesn't have then in the 279 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 2: blink of an eye, you need that foundation. You need 280 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 2: that rock to be able to keep going. 281 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. His character catalyzes our ability to persevere. His character 282 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: and the record of his activity in our lives and 283 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: our personal histories with the Lord tell us he didn't 284 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: fail me before, he won't fail me again. Therefore, I 285 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: will persevere. 286 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: And for the woman who right now is thinking all 287 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 2: that I have experienced is him failing me. What would 288 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 2: you say to her? 289 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: Number one? I just want to meet her where she's 290 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: at and say I'm sorry, I'm really sorry you're walking 291 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: through this right now. The question I would want to 292 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: ask her to be honest before the Lord is say, Lord, 293 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: it looks like you betrayed me. It looks like you 294 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: were absent. Now. I don't believe we approach the Lord 295 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: with a spirit of pride or accusation, but I do 296 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: believe we have to approach him honestly. Lord, where were 297 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: you now? Don't dump your stuff and leave, get before 298 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: him and be honest with him. And wait, So what 299 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: would I say? You need to get a word. You 300 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: need to just clear your calendar and get before the 301 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: Lord and do some business with Jesus. He's not capable 302 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: of forsaking us. He doesn't forsake his own word. And 303 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: so that's what I'd say. I don't know if that's 304 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: an answer, but it's the truth. 305 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 2: No, I think it's the truth. I think it's the truth. 306 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 2: I think it's the truth. And it comes back to 307 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: why it's so important to getting to know his character. 308 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: So in the moments when those lies are flashing across 309 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 2: our brain. We can call them out as what they 310 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: truly are, which is a lie. 311 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: Can I read you a scripture? 312 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 2: Always? 313 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: So, here's Hebrews chapter thirteen. The context is speaking about 314 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: provision and money and stuff. This is verse five. This 315 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: is let your character or moral disposition be free from 316 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: love of money, including greed, avarice, lust, and craving for 317 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: earthly possessions. Be satisfied with your present circumstances and with 318 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: what you have here. It is for God himself has said, 319 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: I will not in any way fail you, nor give 320 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: you up, nor leave you without support. I will not 321 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: in any degree leave you helpless, nor forsake you, nor 322 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: let you down. Relax my hole on you, assuredly not. 323 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 2: Can you say the scripture reference again. 324 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 1: Hebrews thirteen, verse five amplified classic. Okay, so good, I 325 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: will not. I will not. I will not. And when 326 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: we see things repeated in scripture, it's this doubling down 327 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: on the fact that he does not change. He's saying, daughter, 328 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: look at me. I know it looks like this, but 329 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: here's the truth. This goes back to your first question 330 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: about sanctification. Yeah, because when we are sanctified from but 331 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: not sanctified too. And when we don't have a fixed focus, 332 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: we will give our focus to whatever shiniest or whatever 333 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: grabs our attention. But when we set our gaze on him, 334 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: for our help comes from the Lord Psalm one hundred 335 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: and twenty one. I look up, he says, I look up. 336 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: I look up. Will we'll have this nature within ourselves. 337 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that process, and this is just something that 338 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: I have learned and keep learning right in that process, 339 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: even though it can be really uncomfortable and really unfun 340 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: at times, is ultimately for our good. We think that again, 341 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: coming back to knowing who God really is, I think 342 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: especially more talking to women who are looking at an 343 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 2: alcohol free journey or whatever habit they're trying to leave behind, 344 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: we can think that that is a mean God who's 345 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 2: trying to take things from us. 346 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 347 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, we'll be back right after a quick word 348 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: from our sponsors. Hey, babe, I just wanted to pause 349 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 2: us for one second to remind you that this September 350 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: we are gathering in Holland, Michigan for the Aligned Conference. 351 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: This is going to be the first ever Christian women's 352 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: alcohol free conference, and I am so excited to be 353 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: partnering with my friend Sherry Hoppin of Sala House Recovery. 354 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 2: If you've ever wished there was a place where you 355 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: could talk openly about freedom from alcohol, growing closer to Jesus, 356 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: and building genuine friendships with women who understand the journey, 357 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 2: then this is your opportunity. We're bringing together incredible speakers, 358 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: meaningful conversations, worship, prayer, practical tools, and plenty of opportunities 359 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 2: to connect with women who are pursuing freedom and living 360 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: aligned with God's best for their lives. One of the 361 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: things I'm most excited about is that so many women 362 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 2: from the Love Life Sober community are already coming. If 363 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 2: you've ever wanted to meet some of those amazing women 364 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: in real life and get an in person hug and 365 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 2: spend a few days just hanging out with women who 366 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: are alcohol free or sober, curious and Jesus, then this 367 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: is your chance. It doesn't matter how long you've been 368 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: free from alcohol, if you are just at the beginning 369 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: of this journey or years in, we don't mind. We 370 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,239 Speaker 2: just want to get in a room with you, and 371 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 2: we are so so excited. All of the details and 372 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: the ticket information is all at the link in the 373 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 2: show notes. I am so so excited to get to 374 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 2: hug some of you beautiful women in person this September. Okay, 375 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: let's get back to today's I was recently wrote in 376 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 2: this Week's this Week's subsect, this balance of surrendering, working 377 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 2: with the Holy Spirit, all of these good things at once. 378 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: I'm going to read you to you. Paul does not 379 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 2: say the person is helpless. He says the flesh is 380 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: fundamentally incapable. And the crucial distinction is that every believer 381 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: has been given the Holy Spirit. It is in response 382 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: to his persistent, patient work that the will either opens 383 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 2: or resists. Capacity belongs to the flesh, but the responsibility 384 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 2: belongs to the person, and the power to change belongs 385 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 2: entirely to God, which is the only framework in which 386 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 2: genuine accountability makes any sense at all. I love that 387 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: so much, thanks, because I think it's so encouraging to 388 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: know that we are incapable, right, to know that we 389 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 2: can surrender this, to know that God is responsible for 390 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 2: helping us become more like him, There's not a question. 391 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 2: I just love it. 392 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Okay, so let's just kind of break 393 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: this apart and you steer me. So first of all, 394 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: Philippians two verse thirteen says, for it is God who 395 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: works in you both to will and to work for 396 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: his good pleasure. So there's the desire and the ability. 397 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: In other words, i'd call that will power. He gives 398 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: us the will and the power. So it's the Lord 399 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: that gives us the desire. So you know, there's that 400 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: sscriptions that He will give us the desires of our 401 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: hearts as we delight ourselves in him. That's not about 402 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 1: him filling our trunk with goods. That's about him shaping 403 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: the affections. He gives us the things to desire in 404 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: end of itself. Does that make sense, Yes, totally. Maybe 405 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: this is part and parcel of my core theme of ministry, 406 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: which is transformation. Transformation doesn't happen in one day. It 407 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: happens daily, So that's part of it. The other thing too, 408 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: we talked about surrender earlier in the conversation. Surrender is 409 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: not giving up, it's giving in. For me to take 410 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: responsibility for my health and growth does not mean that 411 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: I'm a responsibility for the fruit. But I have to 412 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: position myself through surrender to say, Father, have your way 413 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: in me. I give you access to my heart. I 414 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: give you access to my insecurities. Here, refine my heart here. 415 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna live in hiding. You know, it's the 416 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: simple picture of Genesis three eight. Adam and Eve hide, 417 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: and the Lord says, Adam, where are you? The Lord 418 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: never asks questions because he he needs an answer. Do 419 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 1: you understand that, Like he's asking a question to probe 420 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: something deeper in us. So he's saying, Adam, what are 421 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: you doing? To so many of us? The Lord saying, hey, Christy, Chris, 422 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: why are you hiding? And it is the moment that 423 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: we say yes in partnership to surrender. Yes, I'm going 424 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: to come out of hiding now. The Holy Spirit's like, great, Now, 425 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: I'll do the work over time with your cooperation. I 426 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: think that's what I'm getting in that excerpt. 427 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I've heard so many times s 428 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 2: Gal say, oh, I've surrendered it. I've surrendered it. I've 429 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: prayed for God to take it away, right, this desire. 430 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 2: At the same time, I think, going back to the 431 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 2: hidden closets in our heart, it's that whole notion of 432 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: but really, you know, do you really want to be well? 433 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 2: Do you really really want to truly hand this over 434 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 2: and commit to doing everything that God leads you in 435 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 2: order to leave that thing behind. And I think, honestly, 436 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: a lot of time the answer is no. And so 437 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: even getting to that point of being fully fully surrendered 438 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 2: is such an important lesson and a process too. Like 439 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 2: you said, it's a daily thing. It is. Our walks 440 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 2: are daily things. 441 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think to Christie, I think it's important 442 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: that we don't leave like this nebulous, sort of ethereal description. 443 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: A friend of mine, she's a psychiatrist at Stanford. She says, 444 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: at some point, we just need to stop the behavior. Yeah, yes, 445 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: we just need to say I'm done now. The will 446 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: and the power to stay consistent in that is another thing, 447 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: But at some point in time, we actually just have 448 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: to make the decision. Like it's so easy for us 449 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: as believers to shirk responsibility and you know, get all 450 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: super spiritual and be like, well, if he wants it 451 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: out of my life, he'll take it. I'm like, no, no, no, no, right, 452 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: come on, rise up immaturity and make a choice, and 453 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: then come to the Lord with your burden, with your cares, 454 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: surrender it in the moment of temptation, get on the phone, 455 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: send the text, whatever this is. This is where shame 456 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: thrives in secrecy. So in the moment of temptation, I've 457 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: tried to surrender, I've tried to sinder. I'm like, yeah, 458 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: I get it. But I'd like to propose that a 459 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: lot of people in that moment don't have a network 460 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: where they're picking up the phone immediately as if the 461 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: house is on fire to say help, I want to 462 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: crack open the bottle, or I want to look at porn, 463 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: or I want to whatever. How drastic are you willing 464 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: to be? That's the practical side of this. You know, 465 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,239 Speaker 1: we can't just live in this nebulous world of like, well, 466 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: I've given it to Jesus and he'll he'll change because 467 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: he wants to. And they're like, no, come on, let's 468 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: keep going. And again I'm not implying works of the 469 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: flesh and striving here, I'm saying, position yourself. We talked 470 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: about this a moment ago. How desperate are you position 471 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: yourself for change? He does the change, Yes, you have 472 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: to position yourself for it, show up, say. 473 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 2: No, yeah, and get really clear about And this is 474 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 2: why we both love our friend doctor Lee. So much 475 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 2: right is figure out how your brain works and why 476 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 2: it's so hard to say, you know, at the end 477 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 2: of the day, because you created that neural pathway, right. 478 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: God can renew the highway. 479 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 2: God can renew that neural pathway. But it takes work. 480 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: And you know, so many times they hear from gals 481 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,239 Speaker 2: like I wake up in the morning and I make 482 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 2: this decision, and by five o'clock it's the same old story, 483 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, you didn't do anything different. You 484 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: didn't do anything different. You didn't do the work right. 485 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 2: You didn't like put the corkscrew the Bible where the 486 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 2: corkscrew is. You didn't get the alcohol out of the house. 487 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 2: You didn't post in the community and say you're struggling. 488 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: And that's what we can do, and that's really important. Like, 489 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: how again, how desperate are you? We talked about grace. 490 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: You had mentioned growing up at Grace community. Grace is 491 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: not like license to live sloppily. Grace is the empowerment 492 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: to live a holy life. Grace is the empowerment to 493 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: not cave to our proclivities and our desires. Grace is 494 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: not just to pass well, I'll just go to Lord 495 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: and ask for forgiveness again. He's faithful to that. I'm 496 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: not denying his But repeated patterns repeat because we've not 497 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: extricated the root. 498 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: Who is it that wrote about cheap grace, Dietrich Bonhoeffer? 499 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 2: I don't remember. 500 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Bonhoeffer, yep, but he like. 501 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 2: I feel like that sometimes with because one of the 502 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: things that I always talk about is growth points. Right, 503 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 2: you had to drink. What are we going to learn 504 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 2: from it? What did you do? What can we do 505 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 2: different next time? Yeah? And I think that that can 506 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 2: be used as this idea of cheap grace, right of like, oh, 507 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: it's another growth point. God will forgive me. But at 508 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: some point you don't have anything left to learn about 509 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: that thing that you keep doing over and over and 510 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 2: over again, you know what I mean? 511 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, here's here's Bonhoeffer, Christy, we might as well just 512 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: read it. Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without 513 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: requiring repentance. I mean, this is a can we don't 514 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: have time to open. But this is yeah, this is 515 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: the modality of secular progressivism. 516 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,239 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, self help. So how do we then, like, 517 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 2: and then I feel like there's the other end of 518 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: this loop. Then of okay, Chris and Christy, I hear you, 519 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 2: and now I'm going to fall into the shame piece 520 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: of it and beat myself up because you're telling me 521 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: I'm doing this thing over and over again and I'm 522 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 2: abusing the grace. What do you think about that? I mean, 523 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: I think it just comes back to again what we 524 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: started with, which is like who is God? Who is He? 525 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: You know, everything comes down to the heart He and 526 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: you will ultimately know your motivations. You know, if your 527 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: honest motivation is I don't know if I really want 528 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: to change, but I really like the idea of the 529 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: cycle of I can get the thrill, then I know 530 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: I can go back to the Lord and get forgiveness. 531 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: It's not the right motivation. If the motivation is I 532 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: am desperate for freedom and I cannot get free on 533 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: my own, I'm throwing myself on the altar. And you know, 534 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: in a mentoring relationship, I'm seeking to grow, and that's different. 535 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: The heart motivation is different, and I'd like to also 536 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: propose that in the latter case, it's impossible for change 537 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: not to happen. It doesn't mean you're flawless, but in 538 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: the words of author James Clear. You're getting one percent 539 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,239 Speaker 1: better for day, you know. 540 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's encourage the woman who's listening right now. 541 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 2: And it's like, I don't even know where my heart 542 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 2: posture is at this point because I've been dealing with 543 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: this for so long. Maybe I just joined the community 544 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 2: because I wanted to lose weight and have better skin. 545 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 2: I don't even know where my heart's at. What would 546 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 2: you say to her? 547 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: Seek the one who does, the Lord says in Jeremiah, 548 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: I the Lord search the heart, So seek him. Seek 549 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: the one who knows your heart. Father, show me. So 550 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: this is the prayer Psalm one and thirty nine. Search me, 551 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: know me, try my heart, See if there is any 552 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: wicked way in me. Father, show me what I need 553 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: to see. What Dad wouldn't do that, Christy's that's it is, Father, 554 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: What do you know about me that I don't know 555 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: that I need to know? Search me and know me. 556 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: He loves you. If your heart is for him and 557 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: you're asking that question, you will get an answer. So 558 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: the person saying I don't even know where my heart's 559 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: at in this, that's fine. Seek the one who does. 560 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: You will see things. This is the beauty of the 561 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: Holy Spirit. You can have a mindset about something for 562 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: so long that you can't see beyond it, and then 563 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: the Lord shows you differently and you're like, I never 564 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: even saw this before. That's right, you never saw it before. Yeah, 565 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: but you do now, So what are you gonna do 566 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: about it? Search me? Know me? I love that, you know. 567 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: In my book, I walk people through this practice of 568 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: unburdening the soul and it uses Psal one and thirty 569 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: nine as a framework for that. Father searched me, know me? 570 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: What do you know about me that I need to know? Father? 571 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: What about this? The Lord is always after the the 572 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: under the hood motivation, you know. For addiction, in many 573 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: cases it's about replacement, Like what is this replacing? What 574 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: rejection is this replacing? Or what desires this replacing? What 575 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: lack in your life is this replacing? Now, of course, 576 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: we can't forsake the fact that there are true chemical 577 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: addiction issues that need to be dealt with on a 578 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: chemical level, so we're not forsaking that either, But it 579 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: is to say in many cases, like I had a 580 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: guy named Jay Stringer on my podcast within the last 581 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: few months, and Jay's probably the foremost expert on sexual addiction, 582 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: and I was telling Jay. Within the last few years, 583 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: I had helped a handful of young guys work through 584 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: sexual addiction stuff, and in one hundred percent of the cases, 585 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: the core issue had nothing to do with sex. It 586 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: was rejection and abandonment. We deal with the surface level responses, 587 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: quit looking at porn, quit whatever, and they keep repeating 588 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: the cycle. But if we get to the root issue 589 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: of identity, guess what fixed itself pretty quickly the behavior 590 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. 591 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 2: And I just feel led to say that we keep 592 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 2: coming back to focusing on Jesus. Obviously that might mean 593 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 2: that you have to turn down some of the worldly 594 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 2: voices that might be speaking into whatever issue you're dealing with, 595 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 2: because I think the sanctification, Yeah, exactly. I've talked to 596 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 2: so many women and it's like I've read all the 597 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 2: books and i will listen to all the podcasts and 598 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 2: I've dead a da da da, and it's like, maybe 599 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 2: sometimes you turn those down and you turn up the 600 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 2: Holy Spirit. Our culture and our world is so noisy. 601 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 2: Sitting still with him is just I said that to 602 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,959 Speaker 2: someone yesterday. I was like, oh, I know what, I 603 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 2: just want to tell you right now to go sit 604 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 2: with Jesus. Don't listen to a podcast, don't get out 605 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 2: the book, just go sit with Jesus. 606 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's just go back to the word, because 607 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: my words fail and scripture doesn't. So let me go 608 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: to the source, the better source. Give me sick Psalm 609 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: sixteen is where I'm going. Let me just say while 610 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: I'm turning there, no one can develop your personal history 611 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: with the Lord but you. So you can ask for prayer, 612 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: you can get people lay hands on you and pray 613 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: for you, but no one can develop your personal history 614 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: with the Lord but you. So this is why I'm 615 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: such a fan of people getting a Bible and tearing 616 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: it up and writing in it, like develop your history 617 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: with Jesus. Okay, so here are my thoughts to what 618 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 1: you just said, Christy Psalm sixteen. I'll skip around, starting 619 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 1: with verse one, Keep and protect me, oh God, for 620 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: in you I found refuge. Well right, there's pretty brilliant. 621 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: Not in alcohol, not in an addiction. In you, I 622 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: found refuge. But you gotta find it. You gotta seek it, 623 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: you gotta pursue it. And when you seek him, you 624 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,919 Speaker 1: will find him, when you seek him with your whole heart. 625 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: In you do. I put my trust and hide myself. 626 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: I say to the Lord, you are my lord. Interestingly, 627 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: I say to the Lord, you are my lord. That 628 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: sounds a little funny until you realize what he's saying. 629 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: I say to the Lord, you o my lord. I'd 630 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: like to propose that many of us has have various 631 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: lords to whom we are bowing our knees. Yes, I have. 632 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: I have no good beside or beyond you. Down to 633 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: verse five. The Lord is my chosen and assigned portion, 634 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: my cup. You hold and maintain my lot. The lines 635 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: have fallen for me in pleasant places. Yes, I have 636 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: a good heritage. Verse seven. I love this. I will 637 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: bless the Lord who has given me counsel. Yes, my 638 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: heart instructs me in the night seasons, this is not 639 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: just about night time. This is about dark seasons of life. 640 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: My heart instructs me. I have set the Lord continually 641 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: before me, because he's at my right hand. I shall 642 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 1: not be moved. Therefore, verse nine, my heart is glad 643 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: in my glory. My inner self rejoices. My body too, 644 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: shall rest and confidently dwell in safety. Skip down to 645 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: verse eleven. You will show me the path of life. 646 00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: You will you will in your presence his full name 647 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: of joy, and at your right hand there are pleasures forevermore. 648 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: That's sort of my answer. I say to the Lord, 649 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: You're my Lord, you are my Lord. 650 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 2: And I'm so glad that you quoted that verse, because 651 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 2: I think that this sanctification can be hard, it can 652 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 2: be really uncomfortable. Sure, those pleasures are so real. 653 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: I get the process. I get that the process of 654 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: sanctification is costly. Yeah, but folks, listen, I really want 655 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: us to recognize that we can't form opinions about the 656 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: Christian experience outside of what the Word says. Jesus says, 657 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: my yoke is easy and my burden is light. Yeah. 658 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,959 Speaker 1: I've heard people say that Christian life is so, so, 659 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: so hard. I get what they're saying. The Christian life 660 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: is actually impossible without the presence of the Holy Spirit 661 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: working in and through us. But when it comes to 662 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: the day today, Jesus says, my yoke is easy. What 663 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: is a yoke like in first century? A yoke that's 664 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: on the ox and side, that's the pace in the direction. 665 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: So his yoke sets our pace in our direction. His 666 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: yoke is easy, his burden is light. So if your burden, 667 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: my friend, is not light. That's the backpack that you 668 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: need to make the exchange. This is so hard, Christy. 669 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to be like sarcastic or make a 670 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: blanket statement. But Jesus said his burden is light. So 671 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: if your burden is heavy, where have you not made 672 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 1: the exchange? 673 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yes, so so good. I love the message version 674 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 2: of that verse because for some reason, the word ill 675 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 2: fitting always jumps out to me. That's right, it's just like, 676 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 2: even if it's not super heavy, even if it just 677 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 2: doesn't feel great, like maybe it's something that you well, obviously, 678 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 2: it's always something you need to hand over. Right. 679 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: We cannot come to conclusions about the Lord separate from 680 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: our relationship with him. He has to be the one 681 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: to determine the conclusions we make about him, because his 682 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: word is true, his word is good. This is why Christy, 683 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is why I want people to 684 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: have a relationship with the scriptures so much. You know, 685 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 1: if his yoke is easy and his burden is light, 686 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: and your burden is heavy, take his invitation to come 687 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,280 Speaker 1: to him, all you who are weary and heavy laden, 688 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: And I King Jesus says, will give you rest and 689 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: reprieve for your weary souls. But we have to come 690 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: to him. Can I fly for thirty seconds? Yes, come 691 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: to me, All you who are weary, take my yoke, 692 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: learn of me, find rest, Come take learn, Find, Folks, 693 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: you want four things you can do, So Christy, let's 694 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: talk to the woman who's like, I'm exhausted, I keep 695 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:55,280 Speaker 1: failing it. Come take learn, Fine, Come to him, Come 696 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: to him. Come to him, all you who are weary, 697 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: Take his yoke, which which is the pace in the 698 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,320 Speaker 1: direction for your soul? Learn of him? Learn his nature. 699 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: I love that the Holy Spirit is leading in this 700 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: moment because back to his nature. Learn of him. Learn 701 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: of him. How do we learn about him? The self 702 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: revelation of the Lord in scripture? Learn of him? Find, 703 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,839 Speaker 1: discover the rest that is available, that has always been 704 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,399 Speaker 1: available right before you, but your distracted heart couldn't see 705 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: the thing you needed most. Come take learn, Find. Folks, 706 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: if you take anything out of this episode with Christine me, 707 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: I want you to take these forwards. Come take, learn, find, 708 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: Come take learn Fine. Someone needs to write that on 709 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: a post it and put it on your bathroom mirror. 710 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: Come take, learn, find Every single morning I've set the 711 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: Lord continually before me, because he's at my right hand, 712 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: I shall not be moved. Therefore, Therefore, as a result 713 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: of me setting the Lord continually before me, therefore my 714 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: heart is glad. Come take learn, fine, Come take learn. Fine. 715 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: If your backpack is heavy and you're like I, I 716 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: freaking can't do this anymore, go to him, Take learn, find, 717 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: cast your cares, Continue to cast your cares, continue to 718 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: seek him again. The promise of the word blessed to 719 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 1: be the Lord who bears our burdens and carries us 720 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: day by day personalized that, my friend, make that a 721 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 1: personal declaration. Blessed be the Lord who bears my burdens 722 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: and carries me today, and he'll carry me tomorrow. And 723 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: when tomorrow becomes today, today's the day of salvation in 724 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:27,359 Speaker 1: Jesus name. 725 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,879 Speaker 2: Amen. What a great way to end that was so 726 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 2: so good. I was gonna like add to that too 727 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 2: as you were talking. It comes back to, I guess, 728 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 2: my friend, no, the message version of that part of 729 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 2: that verse that I loved so much too, with the 730 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 2: unforced rhythms of grace, And I just want go back 731 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,399 Speaker 2: to how we were talking about, like how we can 732 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 2: sometimes take and distort that and make it kind of 733 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 2: like icky and not what God is intending. And and 734 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 2: that's it goes to the same thing, right, it's his 735 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 2: unforced rhythms are so light and they don't feel ill fitting. 736 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: Can I recommend a book for folks always? Okay? So 737 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: the title is let Go. It was written by a 738 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: seventeenth century French archbishop in Fenolon, Francois Fenolon, and it's 739 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: called let Go. And it's like thirty some little letters 740 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: and it's all about the process of self emptying and surrender. 741 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: And it is absolutely costly and cutting and it'll rip 742 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: you and a half, but it's so good. And this 743 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: was written in the sixteen hundreds. 744 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh. Okay, I'm gonna literally order that 745 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 2: right now and I'm going to put it in the notes. Yeah. 746 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: It takes like thirty seconds to read a letter each day, 747 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 1: but not really because you'll want to sit on a 748 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 1: sentence and then you're like engulfed in it. It's a 749 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: must read. I have it right over there. 750 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 2: Okay, definitely going to order that. Can you tell the 751 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 2: gals where they can find you and read you and 752 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 2: all the good things? 753 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, substack you can go to self help is nohelp 754 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: dot com, which is just a a domain. Forward to 755 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,720 Speaker 1: Win Today Chris dot substack dot com. Again Win Today 756 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: Chris dot substack dot com. Find me on social at 757 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: Win Today. Chris podcast is Win Today, your Roadmap to 758 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: Wholeness weekly show sometimes twice a week. My book is 759 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 1: called Healing What you Can't Do Race and Christy Osborne 760 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: is my friend. 761 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,880 Speaker 2: Oh thank you, thank you. 762 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe now much. 763 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 2: Oh thank you. If you guys are not listening to 764 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 2: Chris's podcast, it is one of my must like go 765 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 2: tos a every single week. You have the best guests, 766 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 2: and thank you, so thank you for being here. I 767 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 2: appreciate you. 768 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 1: He's my friend. It's such a joy. And let me 769 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: just say on your platform as we close, you're the 770 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: real deal. I believe in you. I will always have 771 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: your back and just yet you're just super proud of you. 772 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 1: It's really kind of cool how you and me and 773 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 1: Lee we've all just found each other and we're all 774 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: friends and it's really beautiful and I'm just thankful for 775 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,720 Speaker 1: the work you're doing. It's really important. 776 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend. I'm like dying to get us 777 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 2: all in a real room together. 778 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: That'd be so fun. You and M need to, like, 779 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: you know, help the pond come on over. Yeah, lak 780 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: Lee and I need to do that. 781 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 2: Yeah all right, friends, thank you so much for listening. 782 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 2: We will see you next week. Thank you for spending 783 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 2: this time with me on Love Life Sober. If today's 784 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 2: conversation stirred something in your heart, don't rush past it, 785 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 2: take it to prayer. If you're feeling ready for deeper 786 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 2: connection and support, I'd love to invite you into the 787 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 2: love Life Sober community, a grace filled, shame free space 788 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 2: where real connection grows and lasting change takes root. You 789 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 2: can find the link to join us in the show notes. 790 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 2: Love Life Sober is part of the Life Audio podcast network, 791 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 2: where faith centered podcasts help you grow deeper in your 792 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 2: walk with Christ. You can find more faith centered podcasts 793 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,840 Speaker 2: at lifeaudio dot com. Until next time, be gentle with yourself, 794 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,840 Speaker 2: stay curious, and trust God's promises. He has freedom waiting 795 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 2: for you.