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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer, and this is the Josh Hammer Show.

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Speaker 1: I think about Abraham Lincoln a lot. He's my favorite

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Speaker 1: figure in American history. I'm actually born on his birthday.

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Speaker 1: He was a moral paragon, a legal stalwart, as the

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Speaker 1: one who understood that true justice means doing what is

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Speaker 1: right through the virtue of prudence, but pursuing what is

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Speaker 1: right no matter what the cost. Lincoln, among other things,

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Speaker 1: also stood for the proposition that federal law is supreme

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Speaker 1: in this country. Frankly, it's actually right there in the Constitution.

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Speaker 1: All one has to do is open his Constitution to

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Speaker 1: Article six, and you will see that this Constitution and

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Speaker 1: all laws and treaties past pursue into it, are the

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Speaker 1: supreme law of the land, notwithstanding the judgments or laws

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Speaker 1: passed by any states, or by extension, municipalities or localities.

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Speaker 1: To the contrary, Folks, this nation fought a horrific, brutal,

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Speaker 1: and bloody civil war and then endured a century of

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Speaker 1: Jim Crow's degation to establish the proposition that is there

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Speaker 1: outlined in the Constitution, as it was ratified and accepted

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Speaker 1: by this dates in seventeen eighty nine. It is a

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Speaker 1: shame that this very basic, simple part of America's constitutional

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Speaker 1: structure there since the beginning, wasn't truly affirmed until the

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, but we did find a bloody civil war

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Speaker 1: to establish this. On the alternative, on the other side,

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Speaker 1: you had the Confederates, the Southern insurrectionists, those who said

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Speaker 1: that we can nullify federal law. The Tenth Amendment states riots,

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Speaker 1: federal law does not apply here. It is unjust, we

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Speaker 1: do not agree with it, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: The reason that we know that argument is wrong is

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Speaker 1: not merely because it is there an Article six the Constitution,

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Speaker 1: because six hundred thousand plus men died to establish that

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Speaker 1: proposition for eternity. And here we are in the year

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, and the Democratic Party, at the highest

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Speaker 1: levels known to man, is reltgatting it yet again for

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Speaker 1: the second time, for the second time.

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Speaker 2: In a month, a so called.

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Speaker 1: Protest or really just an anarchist, has been killed by

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Speaker 1: a federal agent while in the act of quote unquote protesting,

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Speaker 1: but really actively obstructing and interfering with the enforcement of

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Speaker 1: federal law. Immigration law is just as much part and

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Speaker 1: parcel of the fabric of this nation's law as any

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Speaker 1: other body of law. Immigration law has been there since

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Speaker 1: the origins of the Republic. Speaking of Article six, immigration

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Speaker 1: law has also been there since the earliest days of

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Speaker 1: the Constitution. It's right there in Article one, Section eight,

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Speaker 1: the part of the Constitution that deals with Congress's enumerate powers.

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Speaker 1: Congress has an enumerated power to prescribe a uniform rule

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Speaker 1: of naturalization, meaning to write immigration laws. We've had immigration

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Speaker 1: laws from the beginning. And yet the demagogues, the Tim Wallace's,

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Speaker 1: the Jacob Fries, the Keith Ellisons, stirring the people's passions,

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Speaker 1: inciting people like Renee Good and her partner to shout

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Speaker 1: drive baby drive that she slams the pedal, obstructing ICE

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Speaker 1: agents from trying to round up criminal illegalians. And lest

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Speaker 1: you think that they are just going door to door,

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Speaker 1: as the media would tell you, that they're going just

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Speaker 1: looking for random people, No, they are to this day

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Speaker 1: prioritizing going after sex traffickers, child sex offenders, gang bangers,

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Speaker 1: transnational criminals, the worst of the worst. To be clear,

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Speaker 1: if you are here illegally, that is enough reason to

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Speaker 1: send you packing. You have violator laws, violate our national

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Speaker 1: will as Democrats as recently as the Bill Clinton era,

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Speaker 1: if not after that recognized as well.

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Speaker 2: But that's not what they're doing. They are starting with

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Speaker 2: the worst, the worst.

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Speaker 1: This stupid false story is passed week about how Ice

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Speaker 1: target the five year old boy no after the parents,

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Speaker 1: the father of particular who was a criminal. It's shameful

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Speaker 1: stuff and it is the absolute, absolute mess. The tinderbox

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Speaker 1: that Alex Pretty walked into this past weekend in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: Alice Pretty, a nurse at the local VA, the local hospital,

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Speaker 1: was doing. I've seen a lot of folks say that's

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Speaker 1: Second Amendment down. You know, it's kind of funny. I'm

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Speaker 1: a big gun guy. I can still carry every single

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Speaker 1: day in my life. Actually, a lot of folks don't

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Speaker 1: a result of this story. I was saying, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: So the hypocrisy, Franklin, this is utterly through the roof.

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Speaker 1: But the point moreover is this. We're not gonna play

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Speaker 1: the video. You can watch the video elsewhere. Alex Preddy

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Speaker 1: goes there, At some point he has his gun taken

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Speaker 1: Why would you bring a loaded gun to a situation

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Speaker 1: demagogic democrats have riled up the people's fashions, their passions.

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Speaker 1: Why why would you bring a gun there? If I

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Speaker 1: go to meet with any federal people, I got lunch

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Speaker 1: with a local federal judge here in Flora and his

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Speaker 1: law course May about a year and a half ago.

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Speaker 1: Do you think I rolled up to the federal courthouse

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Speaker 1: with my gun on me? No, you'll leave it in

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Speaker 1: the car. You go to the airport to go to TSA,

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Speaker 1: you're taking your gun with you. No, it's called common sense.

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Speaker 1: We have a second Amendment. We also have common sense.

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Speaker 1: Alex Preddy, just like Renee Good, knew that he was

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Speaker 1: looking for trouble. I mean, seriously, what in the world

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Speaker 1: who became one of the faces of Trump's law enforcement

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Speaker 1: operation when it comes to Ice. Here's Greg Leavino on

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Speaker 1: CNN just underscoring this very important point the weapon.

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Speaker 3: And we do know that the suspect but did bring

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Speaker 3: to a riot. We do know that as far as

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Speaker 3: what happened in that intervening moment with the video that

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Speaker 3: you just that you just showed, that's going to come

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Speaker 3: to light through the investigation that's being investigated, and those

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Speaker 3: facts and those questions will be answered soon enough.

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Speaker 1: Scott Beast ends to the current treasure sector are making

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Speaker 1: a very similar point to Jonathan Curl on ABC's This

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Speaker 2: Go ahead and watch this one.

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Speaker 4: For the Veterans administration. And there's no evidence that he

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Speaker 4: brandished the gun whatsoever, fact brought a disarm.

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Speaker 2: Before brought a gun. Have you ever gone to a protest?

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Speaker 4: John, I mean, we do have a second imagine the

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Speaker 4: I mean, have you gone to a protest? I mean

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Speaker 4: I've I know, actually as a reporter recovering it. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I've been to a protest.

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Speaker 2: Guess what, I didn't bring a gun. I brought a billboard, Okay.

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Speaker 1: And that makes the difference in some ways between an

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Speaker 1: the same way that there has been just a tremendous

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Speaker 1: others of the church in Saint Paul, Minnesota last Saurday.

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Speaker 1: A lot of folks saying that you have a first

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Speaker 2: No, you don't.

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Speaker 1: You have a first man right to stand on the

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Speaker 1: as Secretary Beston is saying, to take your stupid, dumb

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Speaker 1: midwit sign and say fascist not allowed or whatever dumb

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Speaker 2: You can do that. What you can't do.

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Speaker 1: Is take a loaded lethal weapon and get in the

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Speaker 1: middle of an active law enforcement operation. Maybe, just maybe

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Speaker 1: that's gonna find you on the wrong side of the

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Speaker 1: The Democratic leadership just over and over and over again,

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Speaker 1: just riling these people up.

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Speaker 2: They want more dead people, don't you see that?

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Speaker 1: Just like the Confederates of old, Just like John C.

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Speaker 1: Calhoun and Stonewall Jackson, they were riling up those passions.

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Speaker 1: They wanted those shots far and forth sumter. They wanted

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Speaker 1: this war. They want a body count. Today's Democrats, much

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Speaker 1: like their partisan forbears from the nineteenth and twentieth centuries,

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Speaker 1: seem to want the exact same thing. So here is

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls making yet again an outrageous, outrageous comparison, this

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Speaker 1: time to Anne Frank. This coming at a weekend press

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Speaker 5: We have got children in Minnesota hiding in their houses,

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Speaker 5: afraid to go outside. Many of us grew up reading

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Speaker 5: that story of Anne Frank. Somebody's going to write that

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Speaker 5: children's story about Minnesota. And there's one person who can

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Speaker 5: end this.

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Speaker 1: Now, where do you even begin with this stuff?

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Speaker 2: What is wrong with you? What is wrong with you?

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Speaker 1: If I had a nickel this point, For every outrageous comparison,

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Speaker 1: a sitting Democrat, some Democrat leader makes to domestic law

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Speaker 1: enforcement and immigration, in particular to World War Two, the Nazis,

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Speaker 1: and the Holocaust. If I had a nickel for every time,

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Speaker 1: and everything about the Democrats today. Shameful, disgusting, the Jews

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Speaker 1: of Europe who are slaughtered by the Nazis as well

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Speaker 1: as the other victims, because the Nazis didn't just kill Jews,

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Speaker 2: But they were citizens.

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Speaker 1: They were not there in violation of that country's laws.

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Speaker 1: And even more importantly, you're gonna compare the millions and

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Speaker 1: And it only makes sense again when you realize that

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Speaker 1: trying to find the next person who will take a

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Speaker 1: just like the individual who did kill the United Healthcare

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Speaker 1: CEO Brian Thompson in New York City, and on and

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Speaker 1: on him go. Violence is endemic to the American left,

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Speaker 1: It was endemic to the Confederacy before it, and sendemic

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Speaker 1: to today's left as well. It must be quashed by

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Speaker 1: any means necessary. Much more on that exact point. Stay

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Speaker 1: with us through the break, folks, I'm Josh Hammer will

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Speaker 1: be a right welcome back. We continue our conversation about

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Speaker 1: the aftermath of this failed shooting of Alex Pretty, the

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Speaker 1: on the Josh Hammer Show is that we Bemoan, we

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Speaker 1: any American life. So Renee Good, Alex Pretty one. No

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Speaker 1: one is happy that these individuals, however irksom or loads

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Speaker 1: longer with us. However, it is very important to recognize,

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Speaker 1: very important to recognize that the bling the blame does

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Speaker 1: Now I saw an excellent tweet, so I saw on

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Speaker 1: excellent tweets by by Theo Theo Wolt. THEO Wold is

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Speaker 1: a former Sistener General of Idaho at brilliant lawyer of

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Speaker 7: And you know, you said that there's an effort to

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Speaker 7: in this article. And I think that on top of

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Speaker 7: everything else, I do think at the heart of the

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Speaker 7: agenda of a guy like Tucker Carlson or Candae Owens

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Speaker 7: is just traditional European nineteenth century anti Semitism. But there's

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Speaker 7: a lot more going on here, and it's worse in

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Speaker 7: my eyes. It's a bigotry for sure, but it is

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Speaker 7: also strategic illiteracy. This is the in terms of the

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Speaker 7: American national interest. This is the dumbest possible position that

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Speaker 7: you can take at this moment because of all of

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Speaker 7: the incredible capabilities that Israel possesses and basically offers to

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Speaker 7: the United States at very very low cost I as,

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Speaker 7: in essence, at no cost to the United States whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: You can footed Mike Duran on x at Duranimated again,

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Speaker 1: go ahead and check out his excellent reason I say

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Speaker 1: at Tablet Magazine, the Jewish Test. Mike, one more question.

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Speaker 1: We're going to tradition to Arama. One final question on this.

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Speaker 1: How do you see this playing out? It seems to

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Speaker 1: me that let's call the Tucker Carlson half of this

452
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Speaker 1: debate seems to be fading momentum. I don't have polling

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Speaker 1: on that. It just kind of feels like a bit

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Speaker 1: of a vibe shift, to be honest with a very

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Speaker 1: subjective thing there. How do you see this playing out?

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Speaker 1: And this is going to have disastrous political rafications for

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Speaker 1: the American right and the Republican Party.

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Speaker 7: You think, first of all, Josh, we are going to win.

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Speaker 7: When I say we, I mean you and me, people

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Speaker 7: like you and me who see the world in this way.

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Speaker 7: We're going to win because we have the better argument

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Speaker 7: about what the American national interest is, and because we're

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Speaker 7: also on the side of the mainstream of American history.

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Speaker 7: America has always felt a kinship with Israel and with Zionism.

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Speaker 7: That's America, both of both parties. So he is Tucker

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Speaker 7: Carlson represents an older stream of anti Zionism that was

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Speaker 7: in the America. It's always been around in the American

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Speaker 7: body politics. It got a little bit of a lease

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Speaker 7: on life here because of some of the some of

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Speaker 7: the aspects of the elite opposition to Trump and certain

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Speaker 7: things that are going on in our universities and everything

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Speaker 7: at this at this moment, it allowed him to sell

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Speaker 7: this anti Semitism as a as something new and explanatory

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Speaker 7: about the about the nature of our politics today. But

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Speaker 7: we're gonna win provided we make our arguments in a

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Speaker 7: full throated, non defensive way about what the American national

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Speaker 7: interest is. The only question and you just raised it

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Speaker 7: is how much damage is this guy gonna do before

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Speaker 7: we win? And that I'm I'm not sure about. We

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Speaker 7: have to work really hard to make sure it's as

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Speaker 7: little damage as possible.

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Speaker 1: Frankly, it seems to me that the damage for Tucker

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Speaker 1: and others sometimes it seems like it's it's not necessarily incidental.

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Speaker 1: Part of it seems like it's actually really kind of

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Speaker 1: the focus, actually, and it seems to me like part

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Speaker 1: of the intention really is to to destroy the modern

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Speaker 1: manifestation of the American right. And I can think of

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Speaker 1: really knowing the reason to do that, other than that

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Speaker 1: you are essentially playing for the other side, whether the

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Speaker 1: other side is defined in domestic or international terms.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, let's hold that whole.

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Speaker 7: Can I say one sentence on that, I totally agree

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Speaker 7: with you, and I think that's really important, whether he's

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Speaker 7: played for the other side getting money from foreign powers

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Speaker 7: or whatever. At the heart of all of this, on

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Speaker 7: the left and on the right, there's a deep bitterness

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Speaker 7: and resentment and an attitude of let's just tear it

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Speaker 7: all down. It's very unconstructive, and there's a black, dark

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Speaker 7: psychology in there, grind to work its way out fair enough.

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Speaker 1: No, I very well, said Mike in our main time.

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Speaker 1: I want to shift now to Iran. So tension has

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Speaker 1: been boiling up here for about a month, about a

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Speaker 1: month since the regime turned its own guns on the people,

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Speaker 1: since they started going out to the streets, initially to

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Speaker 1: protest the dire streets of the commune that they find

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Speaker 1: themselves in. We don't even know what the death toll

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Speaker 1: is right now. I've heard potentially twenty thirty thousand, maybe

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Speaker 1: even higher. We truly have no idea. And at this

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Speaker 1: point the US Abraham Lincoln, the aircraft carry strike Group

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Speaker 1: has gone from the Pacific and now it's in the

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Speaker 1: Gulf or the Indian Ocean. At least there is what

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Speaker 1: is going to happen. It seems to me that Trump

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Speaker 1: really is gearing up for kinetic action. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: the aforementioned Tom Carlson was in the White House like

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Speaker 1: a week and a half ago whatever, surrounded by some

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Speaker 1: oil executives. So what's going on and what's going to

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Speaker 1: happen there?

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Speaker 7: Well, let's not forget that Steve Bennon was in the

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Speaker 7: White House just a week before Midnight Hammer. The President

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Speaker 7: used him as a good as a good decoy. I

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Speaker 7: suspect that we're going to see some kind of attack

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Speaker 7: by the United States, but I think Donald Trump is

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Speaker 7: going to want to make sure that this attack is

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Speaker 7: going to achieve something strategic that will actually shift the

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Speaker 7: calculus of the regime which is refusing to negotiate with him.

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Speaker 8: And when I say something that will do that, I

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Speaker 8: think he wants to.

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Speaker 7: He wants to remove the Supreme Leader from the equation

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Speaker 7: Ali hame Andi. And so one of the things that

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Speaker 7: I think is going to determine whether this happens or

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Speaker 7: not is just the feasibility of doing that. I don't

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Speaker 7: think he wants to just go and bomb bomb sites

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Speaker 7: just to be seen to to bomb sites. He wants

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Speaker 7: to do something that will really change the calculus, and

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Speaker 7: it would have to be something along the lines of

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Speaker 7: taking out the Supreme Leader.

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Speaker 1: So, Mike, in a very limited time remaining here, is

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Speaker 1: that going to be the gold you think? And I

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Speaker 1: guess to really put a fine point on it, if

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Speaker 1: you had to put on your your prediction cab, you're

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Speaker 1: going to play the prediction markets. Is Kanyeni going to

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Speaker 1: be the leader of Ran one year from now?

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Speaker 8: I think a good prediction would be, no, he won't be.

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Speaker 8: I think he's.

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Speaker 7: First of all, he's eighty six years old, so just

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Speaker 7: for actuarial reasons, he doesn't have that long. But I

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Speaker 7: think you know, I've been listening very carefully to the

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Speaker 7: rhetoric of the President Possesskian, and he is saying openly

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Speaker 7: the Iranian people, I feel your pain.

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Speaker 8: You're suffering economically.

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Speaker 7: The only way out of these economic straits is for

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Speaker 7: us to negotiate with the Americans. I'd like to negotiate

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Speaker 7: with the Americans, but the Supreme Leader won't let me.

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Speaker 7: So you have one part of the regime that's kind

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Speaker 7: of pointing the finger at another part. Right now, I

556
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Speaker 7: think all the all of the conditions have been set

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Speaker 7: for somebody, if not the United States, then somebody inside

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Speaker 7: the system to take that guy out.

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Speaker 1: Okay, wow, Well, from your lifts to God's ears in

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Speaker 1: this case, I mean that both symbolically and frankly quite

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Speaker 1: literally actually, because that regime has God knows how much

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Speaker 1: American and Western blood on his hands. Folks follow Mike

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Speaker 1: duran on x At. Durana made again. His recent essay

564
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Speaker 1: in Tablet Magazine is called the Jewish Chest you can

565
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Speaker 1: follow his prolific work more generally speaking at the Hudson Institute,

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Speaker 1: where he is a senior fellow.

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Speaker 2: Mike known you for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure why I took us a long to

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Speaker 1: have this conversation, but really grateful for it. Let's do

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Speaker 1: it again sometimes to my friend, take care and all

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Speaker 1: the best to you. Thank you, you bet Mike Durant. Folks,

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Speaker 1: again a really prolific foreign policy thanker he writes about Iran.

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Speaker 1: All sorts of Middle Eastern issues really recommend his stuff.

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Speaker 1: They're Table magazine and elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: Stay with us.

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Speaker 1: To the Freke folks, this is Josh Ammers. So we

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Speaker 1: will be right back in this eye with more Iran analysis.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: So Mike Durant, what a prediction there, Holy moly, he's

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Speaker 1: preicting that the Iyatola Commany will not be the leader

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Speaker 1: in Iran one year from now.

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Speaker 2: That is quiet prediction.

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Speaker 1: Admittedly, he heads out a little bit there and kind

584
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Speaker 1: of pleted the actuarial tables. When it comes to fact

585
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Speaker 1: that the dude is in his mid eighties. He's been

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Speaker 1: the quote unquote supreme leader for decades and decades now,

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Speaker 1: the big question to me is less so whether or

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Speaker 1: not Trump is going to issue some sort of action.

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Speaker 1: But on the other hand, what exactly is that going

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Speaker 1: to look like? Now, I let me just briefly reiterate

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Speaker 1: what I've been saying for a while now when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the terrible situation in Iran, which is that

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Speaker 1: my preferred form of diplomacy and foreign policy and statesmanship

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Speaker 1: would be to issue the use of red lines. I

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Speaker 1: am not a fan of redline diplomacy. I am very

596
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Speaker 1: much a fan of secrecy and dispatch when it comes

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Speaker 1: to the executive to use that rhetoric from Alexander Hamilton

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Speaker 1: in the Federalist Number seventy. I am not huge fans

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Speaker 1: of rushing to do things, especially of rushing to issue massive,

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Speaker 1: massive threats that mounted something of a point of no

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Speaker 1: return when it comes to boxing yourselves in to a specific.

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Speaker 2: Course of action.

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Speaker 1: So I was not a fan of Barack Obama issuing

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Speaker 1: the red line to Bascher al Asade over a decade ago.

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Speaker 1: And I was not a huge fan of Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: doing more or less the same thing to the terrorist

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Speaker 1: regime in Tehran a few weeks ago. But he did that,

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Speaker 1: and that line was crossed. I got we really don't

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Speaker 1: know the actual extent of the carnage at this point

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Speaker 1: inside it Ron, but it really has been just an

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Speaker 1: an astounding, just an astounding degree of carnage. Apparently Kanye

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Speaker 1: on Friday, January ninth, apparently he ordered the Supreme National

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Speaker 1: Security Council, so that's the body tasked with safeguarding these

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Speaker 1: armed republic Apparently he instructed them to crush the protests

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Speaker 1: by any means necessary. Security forces were deployed with orders

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Speaker 1: to shoot, to kill, and to show no mercy whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Apparently there were potentially as high as twenty thousand murdered

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Speaker 1: just in about a two day span.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, you're talking.

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Speaker 1: About one of the all time modern worst instances of

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Speaker 1: a regime turning his guns on his own citizens.

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Speaker 2: In really in modern world history.

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Speaker 1: I mean, at least since the fall of communism in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eight nine with the fall of the Berlin Wall.

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Speaker 2: And we can quival and.

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Speaker 1: Say, maybe that's America's interest to get involved, maybe it's not.

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Speaker 1: In My point to you is that it doesn't really

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Speaker 1: matter that debate because the president has issued his redline.

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Speaker 1: His redline has been trampled over in about the most

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Speaker 1: graphic and horrific way possible. So he has to live

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Speaker 1: up to that, and it really seems like he will.

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Speaker 1: So the reporting over the past few days indicates that

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Speaker 1: even Vice President Jade Vance actually again, if you believe

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Speaker 1: the reporting, seems that the Vice president's actually supportive of

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Speaker 1: some sort of strike on Iran, jd Vance is seen

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Speaker 1: as much closer to the more isolationist wing of the party,

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Speaker 1: famously friendly with Tucker Carlson and so forth there So,

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Speaker 1: So the point is that if even the Vice president

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Speaker 1: is supportive, as the public reporting seems to indicate based

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Speaker 1: on sourcing and leaks, whatever, if even he's supportive there

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Speaker 1: seems to me like he is probably trying to get

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Speaker 1: ahead of any perceived backlash from the isolationist flank of

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Speaker 1: the movement there, and likely there is going to be

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Speaker 1: some sort of action. Certainly the US has enough infrastructure

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Speaker 1: and assets there in place where they're going to be

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Speaker 1: capable of doing something semi large to outright large over

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Speaker 1: the next few days. What exactly is that going to

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Speaker 1: look like?

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Speaker 2: There?

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Speaker 1: Well, the rumor that I heard over the weekend, which

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Speaker 1: Mike Dran seemed to be underscoring there, is that they

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Speaker 1: actually might go for the Killshaw. They actually might go

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Speaker 1: for Kameny himself. Kameny who is the supreme leader. He's

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Speaker 1: really the dictator here. His predecessor Comeni was the first

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Speaker 1: supreme leader of these honor public after the revolution nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy nine. There, and if you're actually going to try

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Speaker 1: to overthrow this regime, if that actually is your sipulated goal,

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Speaker 1: then he's the natural guy to go for.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 1: They might not, I mean, they might actually settle for

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Speaker 1: considerably less than that. They might go for trying to

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Speaker 1: destroy ballistic missile defenses, I go for more strikes on

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Speaker 1: the nuclear infrastructure, or or go for IRGC as long

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Speaker 1: Revolutionary Guard Corps bases, military bases, individual one off assassinations,

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Speaker 1: probably with help from Massad, if I had to guess there,

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Speaker 1: because Massad has a lot of intelligence, as we saw

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Speaker 1: in the Twelve Day World last year, when it comes

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Speaker 1: to where a lot of these Iranian arch terrorists, nuclear science,

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Speaker 1: et cetera actually lived there. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: detail left to be filled in. And it might not

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Speaker 1: all be kinetic as well. There might be some sort

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Speaker 1: of cyber warfare there. But based on the rhetoric, based

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Speaker 1: on the Tea leaves that I am seeing there based

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Speaker 1: on the fact that the head of Centcom of US

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Speaker 1: of US Military Central Command, the fact that he actually

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Speaker 1: was in Israel over the weekend at the invitation of

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Speaker 1: the Chief of Staff of the IDF. They apparently discussed

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Speaker 1: a lot of factors. The reporting indicates that they discussed

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Speaker 1: also Iran, so a lot of Teele's indicating that this

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Speaker 1: probably is coming sooner rather than then later. And there's

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Speaker 1: also additional reporting, by the way that's starting to come

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Speaker 1: to surface now of a lot of folks now saying

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Speaker 1: that Trump also potentially wants the overthrow of the communist

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Speaker 1: regime in.

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Speaker 2: Cuba, which would be really something.

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Speaker 1: That regime has been in power now for six and

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Speaker 1: a half decades, I mean since nineteen fifty nine was

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Speaker 1: the overthrow of Bautista fifty to fifty nine was the

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Speaker 1: Cuban Revolution. This regime has been a thorn at America's

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Speaker 1: side since the height of the Cold War, since the

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Speaker 1: Soviet Bat's Cuban Missile crisis the early nineteen sixties, the

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Speaker 1: JFK presidency. There apparently, Trump and Marco Rubio in one

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Speaker 1: of his many many hats I'm sure you Vaalcin the memes.

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Speaker 1: Apparently Rubio, who is a Cuban American, he was born

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Speaker 1: from Cuban refugees in Miami, Florida. Apparently they are the

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Speaker 1: ones who are trying to suss out folks inside the

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Speaker 1: Cuban government who will be willing essentially to turn on

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Speaker 1: the cast shows and the communists there and overturn that. So,

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Speaker 1: whether it's Maduro and Venezuela, which is a little different

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Speaker 1: because that's really more of a law enforcement operation, whether

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Speaker 1: it's that, whether it's trying to enforce this red aligne

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Speaker 1: that's been trampled over over and ran, or whether it's

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Speaker 1: Cuba right off of the Floridian coast there. Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: just rapidly, rapidly in the process of remaking the geopolitical chessboard.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of details still to be left,

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Speaker 1: and America's number one geopolitical archfo, the Chinese Communist Party,

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Speaker 1: very much remains at large, if anything, actually are increasing

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Speaker 1: their aggression when it comes to Taiwan across the Taiwan

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Speaker 1: Straits there. So that is very much something to go

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Speaker 1: ahead and keep close tabs on as well. But again

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Speaker 1: it seems to me that this Iran thing is is

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Speaker 1: probably gonna happen. If I were a betting man, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure I'm gonna I would wager that Kameny will

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Speaker 1: be out of here within the year. I think we

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Speaker 1: all hope and pray that's the case. But but, but

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Speaker 1: seems like something else actually is very much going to

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Speaker 1: happen now. In other news, back in the home front's

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Speaker 1: a large swathy of the United States is getting apps

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Speaker 1: pummeled over the weekend from what was billed as the

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Speaker 1: snow and ice storm of the century. Here in South

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Speaker 1: Florida where I live, it's in the eighties, and really

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Speaker 1: we haven't felt it at all, so you know, I

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Speaker 1: kind of love it. I'm very happy with that I've

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Speaker 1: lived in cold weather. I don't miss shoveling snow at all.

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Speaker 1: Like in the slightest I could be very happy actually

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Speaker 1: going the rest of my life without seeing snow ever again.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, after all the years that

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Speaker 1: I lived in New York, Chicago, Colorado and elsewhere, another

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Speaker 1: individual who I suspect might be happy never seeing snow again.

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Speaker 1: After this video that I saw, and you can't help

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Speaker 1: a laugh at this is the incoming warmth of collectivism.

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Speaker 1: New communist mayor himself. Zorman Donne, who apparently, apparently it

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Speaker 1: seems to us if you're on the Josh Hammer Show,

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Speaker 1: has probably never shoveled snow in his life. Watched this video. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you see his shoes there. I mean the first

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Speaker 1: giveaway is is the shoes and his feet. He's slipping

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Speaker 1: as he is shuffling it, and partially because he's not

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Speaker 1: in athletic stance. I mean his feet are way too

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Speaker 1: close together. Dude, like, get in athletic stance. That's thick snow.

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Speaker 1: You gotta get get in deep there and lift and

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Speaker 1: lift with your whole body, lift from the legs up.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's not using his legs there. I mean

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Speaker 1: I think about I think about golf, any athletic motion.

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Speaker 1: You gotta use your legs, not just your back. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna get a hernia. By the way, shoveling snow can

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Speaker 1: be very dangerous. Now, Donnie is very skinny. He's probably

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Speaker 1: not in any major danger. Maybe he is, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but they say historically speaking that shoveling SnO is actually

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Speaker 1: one of the most frequent ways to get cardiac arrest

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Speaker 1: if you have heart problems. So if those people who

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Speaker 1: have a history of heart condition in the air, you

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Speaker 1: should not be shoveling snow. Hire someone's do it for you.

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Speaker 1: But this guy probably doesn't have that. There's he's not

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Speaker 1: using his leg he's wearing the wrong footwear, he's slipping

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Speaker 1: everywhere there.

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Speaker 2: What is he doing? Like New Yorkers? What are you thinking?

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Speaker 1: How did this guy the warmth of collectivism, Muslim red

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Speaker 1: green axis embodiments, dude who's clearly grew up so privileged,

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Speaker 1: the son of a Columbia University professor.

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Speaker 2: There never shoveled stone in his life. What are you

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Speaker 2: guys doing?

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Speaker 1: I don't even like New York City, but New York

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Speaker 1: sity is important, and really, you guys are being led

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Speaker 1: by this uttered we God willing this guy's radical proposals

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Speaker 1: would just be vetoed and overruled as much as possible

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Speaker 1: by his city council because this is gonna go to

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Speaker 1: hell in a handbasket if he continues there.

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Speaker 2: Believe me, Hope Joy says show.

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Speaker 1: Folks, I am Josh Hammer, follow us as described to

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Speaker 1: our show Azovie's. But for Say's purposes, folks, have a

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Speaker 1: great rest of evening.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back tomorrow,