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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Carl Jackson Show. This is

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Speaker 1: your daily dose of freedom. I'm joined now by former

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Speaker 1: Customs and Border Patrol head Mark Morgan under Trump forty five,

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Speaker 1: and I got so many questions for him given the

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Speaker 1: state of affairs that we're in now, obviously with the

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Speaker 1: Iranian conflict, but more so perhaps as a result of

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Speaker 1: the Iranian conflict, definitely as a result of Biden's open

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Speaker 1: border policies during his tenure.

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Speaker 2: I think we have to be.

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Speaker 1: Extremely aware of sleeper sales. So I think the first

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Speaker 1: thing that I like to ask you, Mark, is are

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Speaker 1: we safer today in your opinion than we were under

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration.

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Speaker 3: That's a tough question, wow, Because part of what the

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Speaker 3: Biden administration did during his four years, during its open

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Speaker 3: border invasion strategy that I called made our country less safe,

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Speaker 3: jeopardize really every aspect of our safety national security. So

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Speaker 3: although I think the current administration under President Trump is

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Speaker 3: trying to reverse that, Carl, I hate to be the

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Speaker 3: bar bad news, but for us to be able to

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Speaker 3: reverse what Biden did honestly could take us generations.

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Speaker 4: So no, and let's put this away real quick, so

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Speaker 4: I'll phrase it.

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Speaker 3: In the way that we've heard the fbhid the pass

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Speaker 3: as well as the greater US intelligence community.

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Speaker 4: They say that that right now, the threats that we face.

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Speaker 3: From an international terrorist organization has been the highest that's

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Speaker 3: been since nine to eleven. They referred to it as

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Speaker 3: a rogues gallery of these terrorist organizations calling for attacks

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Speaker 3: against America and American interests, and they specifically didn't talk

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Speaker 3: about the border. How it's an existential threat to our

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Speaker 3: national security. So when you look at what Biden did

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Speaker 3: over four years to let in ten to twelve million

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Speaker 3: illegal aliens, you know, anywhere between one to two million

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Speaker 3: Harbord for cell Tate terrorism. Carl, I've been saying for

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Speaker 3: a very long time. It's not if or when a

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Speaker 3: So our country is not more safe now. Now, what

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Speaker 3: I will say, I know I'm going on here. What

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Speaker 3: I will say is the country is more safe today

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Speaker 3: than it was a year ago.

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Speaker 1: Sure, oh man, you know, honestly, I feared you would

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Speaker 1: answer that.

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Speaker 2: I feared you would answer that way.

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Speaker 1: I am so appreciative of President Trump doing all that

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Speaker 1: he can to eliminate the threats inside of the United

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Speaker 1: States of America. But it's gonna take more than four years, obviously,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, and.

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Speaker 2: We need to be fully aware of this. Let me

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Speaker 2: ask you this quickly.

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Speaker 1: We have the you know, now, I guess she's going

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Speaker 1: to be former head of the Department of Homeland Security, Christyome.

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Speaker 2: Obviously you have Mark Wayne Mullen.

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Speaker 1: He had his confirmation hearing, or at least the beginning

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Speaker 1: of his confirmation hearings yesterday. But what I was disturbed

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Speaker 1: to find out, frankly, under Christy Noman is that we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a lot of concerns, you know,

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Speaker 3: during the time that Christine Gnomes served as a Secretary

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Speaker 3: avoid the answer, Carl, but this is very genuine.

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Speaker 4: What I would say is now we're in a period of.

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Speaker 3: She's gone, so let's move on, right And yes, I

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Speaker 3: think we can all agree there are some issues with

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Speaker 3: how the Interior Enforcement operations were carried out. We look

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Speaker 3: So now we have a great opportunity with the Senator

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Speaker 3: the the hearing. You know, unfortunately, in today's world, hearings

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Speaker 3: I think are heavy on theatrics and less more so

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Speaker 3: that's really one of the only opportunities of American people

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Speaker 4: And so that was a little bit frustrating for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're right.

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Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's so much partisanship and political theater

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, what more can the Trump

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Speaker 1: of the things that I did, like, what's kind of

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Speaker 1: the fear factor, the self deportation factor. What else do

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Speaker 4: First of all, Carl, there's a lot there to unpack.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 3: I'll come back on your show anytime, because that question,

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Speaker 3: I'm being serious. That question shows you're really paying attention

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Speaker 3: I guess the first way that I would go to

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Speaker 4: One of his platform one.

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Speaker 3: Of the signature issues, was that he was going to

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Speaker 4: And why was that? Why do we need that?

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Speaker 3: Well, because this president, more so than any other modern

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Speaker 4: The flow of illegal immigration.

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Speaker 3: And one of the most important ways that we do

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Speaker 3: that is we have to send a message to the

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Speaker 3: To put integrity back in the system, to mean that

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Speaker 4: During the campaign, the President knew that.

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Speaker 3: And what have we seen the first year, As you mentioned,

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Speaker 4: The problem with that, as you just pointed out.

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Speaker 3: Is that's actually a tiny small subset of the twenty

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Speaker 3: we're going to see what we're calling Phase two, and

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Speaker 3: I hope what we're going to see Secretary Mullin carry

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Speaker 3: out is to open that aptture up. Is that, yes,

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Speaker 3: going after criminal illegilians will always be a priority in

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Speaker 3: a focus, but we have to open that up.

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Speaker 4: For example, we need to.

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Speaker 3: Go after the one point five million illegal aliens who

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Speaker 4: The one hundreds of thousands of visa overstates. And here

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Speaker 3: We have to focus on going after United States employers

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Speaker 4: That's what we need to do. We need to open

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, one point five million, that is a that

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Speaker 1: is a scary number. But listen, I appreciate you being

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Speaker 1: blunt with us. Another thing that I'm concerned about. I

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Speaker 2: And I say that intentionally, that's just me. I do

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Speaker 2: believe that this guy is.

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Speaker 1: A communist, but also believe he's in Islamis and I

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Speaker 2: Mark.

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Speaker 1: We just found out the other day from the Free

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Speaker 1: Beacon that his wife is I mean seriously an Islamic

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Speaker 1: terrorist sympathizer. And again, guys, I am speaking to former

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Speaker 1: this is another avenue I think we really need to

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Speaker 2: Frankly, we do.

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Speaker 3: Look, this is this goes the heart of something Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: is assimilation, right, we always want to talk about. You know,

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Speaker 3: What you just outlined shows, I think a perfect example

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Speaker 4: Look.

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Speaker 3: Look, I'll go back to what we we're hearing for

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Speaker 3: the greater US intelligence community and beyond, is that you know,

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Speaker 3: terrorist organizations right now, you can move from ideology.

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Speaker 4: To radicalization at the speed of social media.

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Speaker 3: And then from radicalization you're throwing in intervening an event

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Speaker 3: and they can go from radicalization to action and a heartbeat.

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Speaker 4: That's a challenge the lone wolf offenders.

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Speaker 3: And so when you have something right now Iran, when

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Speaker 4: This is something we should all be seriously concerned about.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm speaking to again the former Director of

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Speaker 1: I got to ask you, is there any way you

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Speaker 1: I got so many more questions. If your time is tight,

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Speaker 1: that's absolutely fine. No, I'm good caking, Okay, all right, perfect,

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Speaker 1: it's an America First policy. However, what I want to

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Speaker 1: I'm joined with my guest Mark Morgan, former Customs and

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Speaker 1: Border Patrol head under Trump forty five, and we're talking about, honestly,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Coral, Look, this is something that we don't talk

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Speaker 4: It just makes sense.

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Speaker 3: I always look at if somebody if you're at a

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Speaker 1: And obviously, Mark, a lot of people are ignoring the

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Speaker 2: Because we know that these guys will be docs.

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Speaker 1: I don't want them wearing masks, but they have to

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Speaker 2: It's just common sense. That's the way that that's the

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can catch some Europeans, but they're far

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Speaker 1: But how is this going to impact, in your mind,

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Speaker 3: Look, Carl, you said it several times when you're reading

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Speaker 3: I don't. But guess what You're right. If that's the

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Speaker 3: heck yeah, I'm for that, and they should resist that

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Speaker 3: There's several different ways that you can identify an ICE

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Speaker 1: Another thing I am concerned about Mark. I live in

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Speaker 1: And that's fine, you know, do what you want. But

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Speaker 1: First off, they never mentioned the fact that the guy

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Speaker 1: How can you identify the enemy if we won't call

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Speaker 2: For who they are.

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Speaker 1: And this guy literally searched on his phone at the

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Speaker 1: I mean, he even looked at what's now known as

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Speaker 3: Yeah, old saying, right, don't let facts get in the

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Speaker 3: just look, I'd like to talk about facts.

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Speaker 4: Facts. The Iranian regime, either directly or through their proxies,

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Speaker 4: It's just a fact.

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Speaker 3: The fact also that president after president Republican or demicant

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Speaker 3: those are facts that we don't see being discussed. The

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Speaker 4: Wait for it, Iran, right.

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Speaker 3: And also during the Biden administration, he let we encountered

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Speaker 4: The previous eight years combined, I think it was around eight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the Biden administration led in hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 4: It's already here.

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Speaker 2: You said eight combined compared to four hundredrect.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Carl, facts matter, Facts matter.

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Speaker 1: That is insane, that is in things, and of course

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Speaker 1: But I mean, that's absolutely insane. We got thirty seconds.

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Speaker 1: Could you speak to that real much? Yah, Carl, You're

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Speaker 3: Look, a lot of people are smuggled, they're also being

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Speaker 3: We know that doctors without Borders have said thirty percent

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Speaker 1: Former Director of the Customs and Border UH Border Protection,

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Speaker 1: Mark Morgan, Thank you so much your wealth and knowledge

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Speaker 1: and an asset to this nation.

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Speaker 2: God bless