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Speaker 3: host The Alex Marlow Show, editor in chief of brightbur News,
Speaker 3: hosting for my friend and mentor, Hugh Hewitt.
Speaker 2: Today and tomorrow. I'll start with the poll.
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Speaker 3: Alexmarlow dot com. Is she out for two days because
Speaker 3: one he had too many adult beverages watching the World
Speaker 3: Cup as a huge soccer fan yesterday and he's sleeping
Speaker 3: it off. Two he had too much taco bell over
Speaker 3: the weekend, which, by the way, it was the lettuce
Speaker 3: of all things that.
Speaker 2: Got people sick from taco bell.
Speaker 3: Or three that he is speaking at the ALEX event
Speaker 3: in Florida, the American Legislative Exchange Council event. I know
Speaker 3: they sponsored the show, and he'll be broadcasting from there
Speaker 3: live Thursday and Friday. You guys, tell me what you
Speaker 3: think it is, and I'll give you the spoiler.
Speaker 2: It's the latter.
Speaker 3: But I'm here, always honored to be here, and we
Speaker 3: get some great stuff lined up. He does an amazing job.
Speaker 3: The producers here really guys are top notch. Tom Cotton's
Speaker 3: going to be here later and Michael Orn as well.
Speaker 3: A lot of the conversation will be about Israel and Iran, which,
Speaker 3: unfortunately for me, who is very optimistic about the Memorandum
Speaker 3: of Understanding, believing in President Trump and Vice President Vance
Speaker 3: that they could bring the Iranians to the table in
Speaker 3: some capacity, would beat them into enough submission and take
Speaker 3: out enough runs of their apparatus when it comes to
Speaker 3: their leadership that they would be able to force them
Speaker 3: into some sort of a deal. And they just proven
Speaker 3: I guess too challenging at this point. And so now
Speaker 3: we are back into bombing mode. We've now bombed for
Speaker 3: I think eight or nine consecutive days. Unfortunately, another American
Speaker 3: service member killed over the weekend trying to I guess
Speaker 3: dismantle a drone in Iraq, which is a very upsetting.
Speaker 3: I wish that did not happen. Up to seventeen guests.
Speaker 3: I believe of Americans in this conflict, and the conflict's
Speaker 3: going to probably go on.
Speaker 2: And we saw oil prices tick up a little bit
Speaker 2: earlier today, though not that much, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: We were fearing two hundred dollars barrel and oil, maybe
Speaker 3: three hundred dollars a barrel oil, and now we're.
Speaker 2: Back at ninety ish or so. But this is a
Speaker 2: political headwim.
Speaker 3: It's something that Republicans are going to have to deal
Speaker 3: with because this is a very important midterm election because
Speaker 3: if President Trump loses the election, it's gonna be NonStop investigations,
Speaker 3: it's going to be NonStop impeachment talk, and it's going
Speaker 3: to be empowering the socialist wing of the Democrat Party,
Speaker 3: which we'll focus on quite a bit on the show.
Speaker 3: But I think the message is clear, Iran is not
Speaker 3: playing nice and it is time to do some more bombing.
Speaker 2: Bombing them in a submission.
Speaker 3: But I'm going to ask these guys Orn and Cotton
Speaker 3: when they get here, Michael, Laura and if I dimension
Speaker 3: will be here as well, and when we discuss this,
Speaker 3: I'm going to ask them what they think is the
Speaker 3: future of Iran if we are able to facilitate some
Speaker 3: sort of a regime change. And I'm not necessarily talking
Speaker 3: about American boots on the ground and Americans going in
Speaker 3: there and dismantling physically what is left of the Iranian regime,
Speaker 3: which may be necessary, it may be right move. I'm
Speaker 3: open minded at this point, but I want to know
Speaker 3: what takes its place. I want to know what's coming next.
Speaker 3: And I want to know if they're convinced that the
Speaker 3: Iranian people are ready to step up, and if so,
Speaker 3: what's the process to getting them in a place where
Speaker 3: they can actually do that, Because I feel very, very
Speaker 3: skeptical though there'll be some sort of an organized ground
Speaker 3: swell of grassroots effort by the Iranian people to come
Speaker 3: in and establish some sort of a legitimate government. I
Speaker 3: think it's gonna be hard to do, but I would
Speaker 3: love to see it, and I would love to chart
Speaker 3: a path.
Speaker 2: But so long as Iran is playing games with the
Speaker 2: straight up ward moves, it needs to be open for commerce.
Speaker 2: It just needs to.
Speaker 3: That is one of the absolute standards that President Trump
Speaker 3: must have in order to see this as a victory.
Speaker 3: It cannot just be that they do not get nuclear weapons,
Speaker 3: which of course is fantastic.
Speaker 2: We need to have that as a goal. That is
Speaker 2: a shared goal.
Speaker 3: And if you do not have that goal, you and
Speaker 3: I just have completely different priorities with how you want
Speaker 3: to spend your time with your life and what you
Speaker 3: think the purpose of the American government and military is for.
Speaker 3: I think a denuclearizing Iran is essential the number one
Speaker 3: priority of any sort of administration that wants to keep
Speaker 3: its people safe. So all good on that front, But
Speaker 3: then what do we do to make sure that straight
Speaker 3: stays open? And that will be a question that I'll
Speaker 3: have for Senator Cotton. I'm also going to ask about.
Speaker 2: The filibuster, see if there's hope there.
Speaker 3: And this is another one where I'm curious from Hughes audience,
Speaker 3: in particular A lohat Alex Marlow dot com.
Speaker 2: You've got a response to this.
Speaker 3: I'm sure all of you watched the Trump speech or
Speaker 3: at least caught clips of Trump's speech where he laid
Speaker 3: out election interference claims, particularly that a lot of America's
Speaker 3: election data was compromised by the Chinese and they got
Speaker 3: access to all sorts of information, but he stopped far
Speaker 3: short of suggesting that the election was rigged by China
Speaker 3: or some other foreign entity. He just did something that
Speaker 3: I think was fairly clever, which is he established flat
Speaker 3: out that our data is vulnerable and that our elections
Speaker 3: are vulnerable, and there's a certain level of cheating that
Speaker 3: takes place. And once you accept there's a certain level
Speaker 3: of cheating that takes place, it's incumbent upon us as
Speaker 3: people who want to preserve our democracy, which is of
Speaker 3: course really a constitute federalists republic, but who want to
Speaker 3: preserve our democracy, it's imperative upon us that we do
Speaker 3: our best to make sure that every opportunity to cheat
Speaker 3: is eradicated. And you saw the hysterical response from so
Speaker 3: many people in the Democrats side of the aisle suggesting
Speaker 3: that this is too far revealed, this is impeachable twenty
Speaker 3: fifth Amendment. Trump has gone crazy. These are all lies.
Speaker 3: Even the great CBS News, which we were concerned might
Speaker 3: be becoming right wing, even they got a bunch of
Speaker 3: stuff wrong. If they covered it at all. Fox was
Speaker 3: reluctant to cover a lot of this stuff. And I
Speaker 3: think this revealed something that's very important here, which is
Speaker 3: that the President, I think is drawing people out to
Speaker 3: see who is actually serious about election integrity. And one
Speaker 3: thing that I'm curious about is that people who have
Speaker 3: a more religious attachment to the filibuster in the Senate
Speaker 3: then making sure that we get the Save America Act
Speaker 3: through and people have to bring id to the polls.
Speaker 3: And it is a really tough question for a lot
Speaker 3: of Republicans. Republicans who grew up thinking that the filibuster
Speaker 3: was is something that needed to be cherished, need to
Speaker 3: be coddled. We need to treat it like a wounded
Speaker 3: dove and just nurse it back to health. The filibuster
Speaker 3: is so vital and delicate that we need.
Speaker 2: To protect it at all costs.
Speaker 3: And then you're confronted with this thing that, well, if
Speaker 3: we do that, if we choose the filibuster, then we're
Speaker 3: choosing it over getting a photo ida and national citizenship
Speaker 3: verification in order to vote in our federal elections. And
Speaker 3: so for me, from my vantage point, I live in
Speaker 3: Los Angeles and in California, we get about ten percent
Speaker 3: of the ballots that are sent out and we proactively
Speaker 3: have vote by mail for everyone. Why is that why
Speaker 3: would California have a vote by meil pretty much as
Speaker 3: the default setting instead of having an election day. Obviously
Speaker 3: we know the answer, So there's cheating. So that's why
Speaker 3: we do it. And as many as ten percent people
Speaker 3: estimate of the ballots that are sent out proactively to
Speaker 3: Californians are two people who are ineligible to vote. We
Speaker 3: proactively send out ballots to people who are ineligible to vote.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you there's a great shout out to Hugh
Speaker 3: because I've been listening to you for over twenty years.
Speaker 3: He was the first guy who said the vote by
Speaker 3: mail reality is here and Republicans need to win at it,
Speaker 3: and you need to make sure you vote vote by mail,
Speaker 3: You vote early, You make sure your ballot get's in,
Speaker 3: so then you don't do about weather, you don't do
Speaker 3: about traffic, you don't have to worry about your kid
Speaker 3: getting a cut on his eyebrow. And as we go
Speaker 3: to the er and get some stitches, you get your
Speaker 3: vote in. Huge one of the first.
Speaker 2: Guys to do that. We have to figure out how.
Speaker 3: To win elections or else. All the great ideology that
Speaker 3: we bring about, none of it's going to make a difference.
Speaker 3: And so that is a big question. I'm going to
Speaker 3: ask that to some of the guys later on in
Speaker 3: the show. We'll also get into some politics. It looks
Speaker 3: like what's happening in Maine with the just delicious Grand
Speaker 3: Platinum race, which I don't know of all of you
Speaker 3: got to catch clips from the debate featuring the great
Speaker 3: Ashley I think your last name was Webb, who is
Speaker 3: a man who looks like Meatloaf the rock star, maybe
Speaker 3: even a linebacker, and impersonates a woman and actually said,
Speaker 3: and this is a earmuffs you've got children, car, But
Speaker 3: this is a person who actually is a male but
Speaker 3: claimed to menstrate out of his rectum.
Speaker 2: This is not a joke. This is exactly what was.
Speaker 3: Said by actually Web, one of the Democrat candidates who
Speaker 3: is running in Maine to replace Graham Platner. It looks
Speaker 3: like mister Webb, who acts like a woman, will not
Speaker 3: make it across the finish line. And someone named Troy
Speaker 3: Jackson has unofficially locked up the campaign. This is very
Speaker 3: commaa esque. It's very much the Democrat establishment has consolidated
Speaker 3: around one person. He's a longtime Democrat, He's someone who's
Speaker 3: been in the state Senate there and is familiar to
Speaker 3: Maners who are dialed in Democrat politics, but does not
Speaker 3: seem to have a ton in particular to offer. He
Speaker 3: is framing it as working people of Maine. A lot
Speaker 3: of people are framing this is from our revolution. Working
Speaker 3: people of Maine took the nomination their own hands, a
Speaker 3: grassroot movement of first time delegates packed all sixteen county meetings,
Speaker 3: So basically this is a community organizing effort to try
Speaker 3: to get a guy that was grassroots but is really
Speaker 3: being propped up and is trying to eliminate more of
Speaker 3: the perception the Democrats are in disarray. They are going
Speaker 3: through a civil war right now. I will have clips
Speaker 3: to support that. They have a lot of tests to
Speaker 3: try to reign in their party from insanity, which is
Speaker 3: what we're witnessing. And this guy, Troy Jackson apparently has
Speaker 3: some very suspect mortgage issues that are going to come
Speaker 3: up on the campaign trail. So maybe the fact of
Speaker 3: the matter is maybe Graham Plattner, with his Nazi tattoo
Speaker 3: and his level voicsters, maybe was their best candidate.
Speaker 2: Amazing stuff. Alex Marlowe, I'm in for Hugh Hewitt.
Speaker 3: Right, really please to be joined by doctor Michael Orrin
Speaker 3: right now, the former Israeli Ambassador to the US and
Speaker 3: the president of the Israel Advocacy Group. Ambassador, thank you
Speaker 3: so much for joining me on the Hit Show today.
Speaker 3: I want to start with the Iran War and I
Speaker 3: want to look at what a victory could actually look
Speaker 3: like for the United States. I was someone who is
Speaker 3: optimistic that perhaps the President and was able to come
Speaker 3: up with something with his Memorandum of Understanding. And I
Speaker 3: do think that those like my colleagues Q are their
Speaker 3: takes are raising pretty well that it was always sort
Speaker 3: of impossible to come up with an MoU with the
Speaker 3: country like Iran. Those takes are raging well. But we
Speaker 3: do want to win this thing and we wanted to
Speaker 3: end eventually. What does that look like from your vantage point?
Speaker 4: Are you winning it?
Speaker 5: You achieve the five goals Alex that the United States
Speaker 5: and Israel set out at the beginning of this war,
Speaker 5: which was ending Iran's nuclear program, shipping abroad the nuclear
Speaker 5: stockpile of highly enriched uranium, ending Iran's intercontinental ballistic program,
Speaker 5: ending Iranian support for terror around the Middle East and
Speaker 5: across the globe, and then as the war progressed, really
Speaker 5: additional demand was an end to Irani attempts to control
Speaker 5: or even block shipping of energy car goes through the
Speaker 5: strait of her moves.
Speaker 2: That's what winning looks like.
Speaker 5: Anything short of that maybe partial victory, for example, having
Speaker 5: Iran give up this nuclear program.
Speaker 2: I don't think Iran's going to do that.
Speaker 5: It's not going to go quietly into that dark night,
Speaker 5: but that would certainly be a constitute of victory for
Speaker 5: the United States. The victory for Israel would involve also
Speaker 5: cutting off Iran support for Hamas and h Bullah, which
Speaker 5: are threatening US on our borders, or the Hoodie rebels
Speaker 5: in Yemen who are once again closing off their strategic
Speaker 5: waterway through the Red Sea, and also firing missiles at
Speaker 5: US at various intimil So there's a big laundry list
Speaker 5: of goals that have to be achieved in order for
Speaker 5: the United States to surely, you know, it's convincingly to
Speaker 5: clear victory.
Speaker 3: One of the things that has happened that's been a disappointment,
Speaker 3: though in retrospect, should not have been unexpected, is it
Speaker 3: Ron was not going to go quietly. And I feel
Speaker 3: like there's two components of this. There's the one that
Speaker 3: we could see coming, which is that there ideologically deeply
Speaker 3: committed to the destruction of the US in Israel and
Speaker 3: they're not going to take a loss easily.
Speaker 2: That's one that we saw.
Speaker 3: But the thing that was kind of new was understanding
Speaker 3: how with very little effort they're able to muddy up
Speaker 3: the Strait to make it the commerce can't go through there.
Speaker 3: And they are people who pay close attention to American media,
Speaker 3: and they see the way any sort of disruption in
Speaker 3: the Strait is portrayed as a negative for President Trump.
Speaker 3: So what do we do to keep the straight moving?
Speaker 3: Because that's the main thing here that's fresh and new
Speaker 3: that I think people are just considering for the first
Speaker 3: time recently.
Speaker 5: I think I says is doing exactly what it's doing tonight,
Speaker 5: and one is to grade Iran's military ability to interfere
Speaker 5: with shipping through the Strait, certainly to keep up pressure
Speaker 5: military pressure on the Iran by striking strategically important talk
Speaker 5: targets in Iran itself and most importantly maintaining that naval blockade.
Speaker 5: That naval blockade caused is costing Iran ten and potentially
Speaker 5: hundreds of millions of dollars a day. Eventually, eventually the
Speaker 5: Iranian regime will run out of money, won't even be
Speaker 5: able to pay the salary of its besieged thugs or
Speaker 5: the IRGC soldiers, and it will come back to the
Speaker 5: negotiating table. They're making intimations tonight, Alex if they're willing
Speaker 5: to come back to the negotiating table, and I understand them,
Speaker 5: because they're backs up against the wall. They can declare
Speaker 5: victory all they want, but when people don't have food,
Speaker 5: when they don't have electricity, that's when the Iranican regime
Speaker 5: gets really, really sweaty around the collar.
Speaker 3: So one of the things that I think is tempting
Speaker 3: for people who think that a massive regime change is
Speaker 3: not going to take place is that it doesn't seem
Speaker 3: like there's necessarily an organized resistance to Iran amongst the people.
Speaker 3: We know that there are many wonderful Iranian people who
Speaker 3: would like to see the regime topple, but it is
Speaker 3: a big process to get them armed and being and
Speaker 3: have the willpower to overthrow a regime. What does a
Speaker 3: regime change potentially look like in Iran? Because I know
Speaker 3: that's all of our hope. I think some of us
Speaker 3: would be willing to put boots on the ground to
Speaker 3: do it, others would not. There's a lot of political
Speaker 3: implications because we are in a democratic system, you're in
Speaker 3: the United States. But do you feel like they're easy
Speaker 3: organized resistance in Iran that could potentially step up and
Speaker 3: take the place of the mullas.
Speaker 5: Well? That maybe organized resistances in Iran? Certain the Kurds
Speaker 5: are an organized resistance. We've seen We've known about terrorist attacks,
Speaker 5: about attacks, not terrors, attacks that have been affected against
Speaker 5: members of the RGC have been assassinated. Who's doing this
Speaker 5: nobody knows just yet.
Speaker 4: But it is difficult because.
Speaker 5: You have a regime that has proven its willingness and
Speaker 5: ability within a matter of hours to kill thirty thousand civilians.
Speaker 5: It's quite extraordiny when you think about it, within hours,
Speaker 5: and people are I think quite justifiably afraid. And if
Speaker 5: they feel that the United States is not four square
Speaker 5: behind them, that the United States is going to at
Speaker 5: some point basically cry uncle and come back to a
Speaker 5: negotiating table, then they think it's too risky. They're not
Speaker 5: going to risk their lives or the lives of their
Speaker 5: children to go out into the street. We cannot rule
Speaker 5: out the possibility, Alex, that the regime is going to
Speaker 5: die of its wounds. It has sustained very serious, potentially
Speaker 5: mortal wounds in this war, and it may take a month,
Speaker 5: that may take a year or two, but the nam
Speaker 5: may fall as a result of the damage that has
Speaker 5: sustained in this campaign.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do.
Speaker 3: I feel like I've read many smart people suggest it
Speaker 3: could be a two year process, and that's something that
Speaker 3: will take a.
Speaker 2: Lot of political willpower.
Speaker 3: I think President Trump has proven that he's willing to
Speaker 3: go against the grain in this regard, and even if
Speaker 3: he feels like he's it's an unpopular war, if he
Speaker 3: feels like it's justified, I think he would stay the course.
Speaker 3: But that's a long battle in terms of pr So
Speaker 3: what is your hope for the Trump administration? What do
Speaker 3: you believe is the best policy going forward?
Speaker 5: Well, I to read it, I think the best policy
Speaker 5: is the one they're pursuing right now, which is the
Speaker 5: combination of kinetic action with the naval blockade, and that's
Speaker 5: what will bring the negotiations back to the table. Then
Speaker 5: what happens when they come back to the table and
Speaker 5: do the running still feel that they have the upper
Speaker 5: hand and they go siations they can dictate the terms.
Speaker 5: In no way can the United States allow Iran to
Speaker 5: maintain its or fulfill its claims to sovereignty go the
Speaker 5: Straits fromost. No way can Iran retain its nuclear stockpile
Speaker 5: or its nuclear facilities.
Speaker 2: That's crucial, crucial. ISRAE would also like to.
Speaker 5: See at the end of the ballistic program and the
Speaker 5: support for terror, and the administration has taken a very
Speaker 5: important step already in brokering a peace agreement between Israel
Speaker 5: and Lebanon. The President of Lebanon has in Washingt today
Speaker 5: mister Own meeting with Secretary of State Rubio and others.
Speaker 2: That's very important.
Speaker 5: This is a man who's taken a big, big gamble.
Speaker 5: Two previous Iranian Lebanese presidents who try to make peace
Speaker 5: with us for assassinated that he's putting his life.
Speaker 2: On the line for this.
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, Lebanon is not
Speaker 5: strong enough to overcome his bullaup.
Speaker 2: Only by defeating Iran.
Speaker 5: It's Lebanon his bud sponsor. Can that happen and Lebanon
Speaker 5: can be truly free, sovereign and make peace with US.
Speaker 3: Doctor Micha Lauren, former Israel is really ambassador to the
Speaker 3: United States.
Speaker 2: The Israel Adovac Group is his group. He's the president,
Speaker 2: thea ambassador.
Speaker 3: I wish we had more time. Hopefully we can do
Speaker 3: this again soon. I'm Alex Marlow in for Hue and
Speaker 3: we'll be.
Speaker 6: Right back for back of.
Speaker 3: The You Huge Show with Alex Marlow. Grateful to be
Speaker 3: in for Hugh today. Senator Tom Cotton is on the
Speaker 3: line with me from Arkansas. Senator, great to talk to
Speaker 3: you again, and I want to start with something where
Speaker 3: I think you and I probably have a lot in
Speaker 3: common on this one that it sounds like you're blocking
Speaker 3: the daylight savings bill in the that came through the house.
Speaker 3: I'm very negative on permanent daylight savings, but I want
Speaker 3: to get your sense of why you're blocking it and
Speaker 3: what your objection is.
Speaker 6: Hey, Alex, good to be back on the air with you,
Speaker 6: this time on a Hughes show in the afternoon. Always
Speaker 6: enjoyed being on your show as well.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 6: So I understand that all Americans hate changing the clock.
Speaker 6: I hate changing the clock, but I think you have
Speaker 6: to think through the second order implications Alex of what
Speaker 6: permanent daylight savings time would mean. It may sound great
Speaker 6: in the summer months, and it may sound great if
Speaker 6: you live in Florida and you like to play golf,
Speaker 6: But if you live in Mintonville, Arkansas, the sun wouldn't
Speaker 6: come up in the depths of winter until well after
Speaker 6: eight o'clock, maybe even eight thirty. And that's just in
Speaker 6: northwest Arkansas, Alex. There are places throughout the Midwest and
Speaker 6: the Rocky Mountain States that wouldn't see the sun untill
Speaker 6: nine nine thirty, almost tennant falk in some cases like Indianapolis,
Speaker 6: Grand Rapper Rapids here challis spell that would be very dangerous,
Speaker 6: especially for kids who are walking to school, bucking the school,
Speaker 6: being left a bus stops and Alex, you don't have
Speaker 6: to take my word for it either. You can simply
Speaker 6: learn the lesson of history. Congress did this once before.
Speaker 6: In nineteen seventy three, Congress made daylight saving time and permanent.
Speaker 6: It was very popular, seventy nine percent approval in December
Speaker 6: of nineteen seventy three, and then February in nineteen seventy
Speaker 6: four it had fall into forty two percent approval. Why
Speaker 6: because people had experienced daylight saving time in the depth
Speaker 6: of winter. In fact, Congress almost immediately repelled it more
Speaker 6: than three hundred and eighty votes in the House and
Speaker 6: unanimously in the Senate. So you know I have to
Speaker 6: take my word or forecast for it. I think we've
Speaker 6: just learned the lessons of history here. It's true that
Speaker 6: I've opposed in the past. My position hasn't changed. I
Speaker 6: can tell you many other Senators are opposed to as well.
Speaker 6: From the states you would expect, frankly, in both targets.
Speaker 6: This is one of those issues that is more of
Speaker 6: a regional issue than it is a part of a issue.
Speaker 3: I am totally the same page with you on that,
Speaker 3: and maybe I'll share some of my personal thoughts with
Speaker 3: the audience after your off the year with me, Senator.
Speaker 3: But what happens to the bill now? What do you
Speaker 3: think is the future of it? Because you and I
Speaker 3: share the same rationale, But what about it getting through.
Speaker 6: I don't expect it to pass the sentiment, Alex And again,
Speaker 6: I think this is one of those issues that seems
Speaker 6: attractive at first glance, and sometimes a House acts at
Speaker 6: first glance and with a sober second thought and considering
Speaker 6: all the implications as happened to the entire country in
Speaker 6: nineteen seventy four, or you realize that what appealed at
Speaker 6: first glance is not that appealing on second thought. So
Speaker 6: I don't expect it to pass the Senate, all right.
Speaker 2: I want to move to the Iran War.
Speaker 3: You've said that Trump is right to unleash hell on
Speaker 3: the killers, and I think we're all in agreement on
Speaker 3: that that iron is very bad. But the path forward
Speaker 3: seems kind of bleak. It seems like maybe the best
Speaker 3: path forward could take years perhaps to execute. Give me
Speaker 3: your perspective on the state of the war itself at
Speaker 3: the moment, and what are the various avenues that could
Speaker 3: be pursued.
Speaker 6: Well, Alex, I don't think we're looking at years. It
Speaker 6: has taken longer than was initially hoped in March. That's
Speaker 6: important because we had paused in April and we had
Speaker 6: a ceasefire that lasted for about pretty months.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: The intensive negotiations happened over the last couple of weeks
Speaker 6: of June, first week of July, after the Vice President
Speaker 6: and Jared Kushner and Steve What had negotiated the memorandum
Speaker 6: of understanding, but Ron obviously blew that up. They blew
Speaker 6: it up well, trying to blow up ships in the
Speaker 6: straight of her moves and attacking our troops throughout the region,
Speaker 6: indicating as the President said, that they have no interest
Speaker 6: and even a short term interim deal, much less a
Speaker 6: comprehensive deal would be nuclearized as well. So I think
Speaker 6: we should probably go back to where we were in
Speaker 6: early April when the first seas fire started and just
Speaker 6: allow our Central Command forces to finish their operational plans.
Speaker 6: At the time, they were forecasting three or four more
Speaker 6: weeks to lay waste to the rest of Iran's military
Speaker 6: and to knock the Revolutionary Guard for back even further.
Speaker 6: And at that point, I think we keep the blockade
Speaker 6: in place that deprives are on of almost a half
Speaker 6: billion dollars a day, and we say that the Strait
Speaker 6: is going to be open under our supervision. Really we
Speaker 6: weren't doing that a lot in May and June. It
Speaker 6: just wasn't widely known or announced until the President made
Speaker 6: it known last month. We're getting several million barrels of
Speaker 6: oil ounce to the southern Omani side of the Strait
Speaker 6: each night. We could keep doing that. Iran has the
Speaker 6: ability to harash shipping, but not to stop shipping. I
Speaker 6: think those are the steps forward, Alex and I think
Speaker 6: that would be good for our national security. It would
Speaker 6: be good for Americans so they're not paying a lot
Speaker 6: for gas or diesel at the top, and it would
Speaker 6: give a chance that thanks to the kind of simmer
Speaker 6: inside of Iran, because one thing we know is that
Speaker 6: this regime is wildly unpopular. Millions of people took the
Speaker 6: streets in January, and now with the death of the
Speaker 6: Supreme Leader at the start of this campaign, the regime
Speaker 6: doesn't even have a thin veneer of religious authority either.
Speaker 6: So I think we should finish our operational plans, keep
Speaker 6: the blockade in place, keep the straight open, and then
Speaker 6: kind of let things play out over the next two
Speaker 6: and a half years.
Speaker 3: Do you've hoped that the Iranian people will be able
Speaker 3: to step up and replace them all as at some point,
Speaker 3: because it's another one from my perspective where I'm trying
Speaker 3: to find some sort of a middle ground. It just
Speaker 3: seems it's so hard with the Iranians to find any
Speaker 3: sort of a middle ground. But I'm not optimistic that
Speaker 3: there is a robust movement to replace them all as
Speaker 3: once we achieve.
Speaker 6: Victory here, well, Alex, these things often seem impossible and
Speaker 6: can quickly become inevitable. Now, I'm not predicting or forecasting that,
Speaker 6: but i will tell you. I will tell you a story.
Speaker 6: And this is not from the animal's history. This is
Speaker 6: less than two years ago. When we left town for
Speaker 6: Thanksgiving in twenty twenty four, we had no idea that
Speaker 6: when we got back after Thanksgiving, Bachelor Alisaud would be
Speaker 6: sitting in a luxury condo in Moscow. And that's not
Speaker 6: even the fault our intelligence agencies for failing to see
Speaker 6: what would happen on the span of ten days. I'm
Speaker 6: just saying sometimes these things are very hard, and these
Speaker 6: organic movements can spring up and it's very hard to
Speaker 6: detect them. You saw that at the end of the
Speaker 6: Cold War as well. So again I'm not predicting or
Speaker 6: forecasting it. I'm just saying that it's happened enough throughout
Speaker 6: history to include recent history, and I don't thing we
Speaker 6: can rule it out. When a government is as unpopular
Speaker 6: as a rods is with its own people, and those
Speaker 6: people are struggling as badly as the running people are
Speaker 6: because of the grossness management, greed, and for option of
Speaker 6: Ron's rulers over the last forty seven years.
Speaker 3: Senator, the President gave a speech from the White House
Speaker 3: last week, and it was really a challenge to the Senate.
Speaker 2: It was basically choose between standing.
Speaker 3: By the filibuster the way it is now or passing
Speaker 3: the Save America Act, which I believe would take great
Speaker 3: strives towards protecting American election and integrity. Give me your
Speaker 3: perspective on the filibuster and why it seems like you
Speaker 3: as well as your colleagues are pre inclined to keep
Speaker 3: it in place versus getting the Save America Act through,
Speaker 3: and give me some nuance in some detail on your
Speaker 3: thinking on this.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So, Alex, on the filibuster, the reality of it
Speaker 6: is that we just we don't have the votes to
Speaker 6: eliminate it. We're not going to have the votes to
Speaker 6: eliminate it. I've got to work with the reality of
Speaker 6: the matter. And there's nothing we've been new to make
Speaker 6: senators vote, certainly, and I don't think most of the
Speaker 6: audience would want their senators to be made to vote
Speaker 6: in ways that didn't represent their states and we do
Speaker 6: have a lot of Senators who come from states that
Speaker 6: do rely on mail in balloting. Does it I don't
Speaker 6: think we should. I don't like it, but a lot
Speaker 6: of Republicans do represent states that have melon balloting, and
Speaker 6: the Republican parties have worked that process hard. In some cases,
Speaker 6: their campaigns have worked at hard as well. I do
Speaker 6: think we would have a majority and perhaps a fill
Speaker 6: up uster proof majority the pass a voter ID law,
Speaker 6: and I think that would also go a long way
Speaker 6: towards solving some of the problems with mail and balliding. So,
Speaker 6: for instance, in Arkansas, if you if you want to
Speaker 6: vote as an excused absentee ballot, you also have to
Speaker 6: include a photocopy of your photo identification. So I think
Speaker 6: that's one bang that we could pursue, and I hope
Speaker 6: we do. The alternative is doing what Speaker Johnson is
Speaker 6: doing this where he hopefully he can pass.
Speaker 2: The Senator I'm working. I got to leave it there.
Speaker 3: I've managed the clock poorly, but I apologize, and I
Speaker 3: thank you for being here.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Center Cotton.
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Speaker 3: And Oliver, you're the perfect guy to talk to you
Speaker 3: about Andy Burnham.
Speaker 2: Who is this guy? Where did he come from? Why
Speaker 2: does he look like that?
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll focus on that later, and why is he
Speaker 3: taking drive bys on Margaret Thatcher. He's been the job
Speaker 3: for four minutes and not having been elected. Are that
Speaker 3: to come in the next couple of segments here, But
Speaker 3: let's start with who is this person?
Speaker 8: Yeah, Andy Burnham, a former government minister back in the
Speaker 8: Tony Blair Gordon Brown era. That's really reaching back. He
Speaker 8: had ten years out of Westminster politics, went to be
Speaker 8: the mayor of Manchester.
Speaker 4: Some call it Britain's second city. It's certainly in the running.
Speaker 8: For that, and that in a way as far as
Speaker 8: the Labor Party is concerned, makes him the perfect person
Speaker 8: to take over as he has done today, because of course,
Speaker 8: so many people in Labor are tainted with failure, attainted
Speaker 8: with association with the past two years, the Kiir Starmer years,
Speaker 8: they haven't been great for the party. So to get
Speaker 8: somebody with some governing experience from what they think of
Speaker 8: probably as happier early days the Blair Brown years not
Speaker 8: very happy for the rest of us. But I think
Speaker 8: Labor people look upon it well. So as I say,
Speaker 8: who has that governing experience from back then but has
Speaker 8: been out of the milieu for a while, I'm sure
Speaker 8: to them, to the leading people in Labor, he is
Speaker 8: the perfect guy and they've certainly treated it that way.
Speaker 8: As you say, no national election, no party platform, no
Speaker 8: pitches to the public. This was a bloodless coup. This
Speaker 8: was a coronation and now he's that Prime minister.
Speaker 3: So let's talk about the fact that he's unelected, which
Speaker 3: means his platform has not been tested. I want to
Speaker 3: get into the attribute of the platform. And Nigel Faraj,
Speaker 3: who is waiting in the wings licking his chops for
Speaker 3: lack of a better expression, immediately passed on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely and rightly so.
Speaker 8: And you say his platform hasn't been tested, We don't
Speaker 8: know what that is. The fact is, if you talk,
Speaker 8: if you take a look at what the legacy media
Speaker 8: is saying, Let's let's be honest. This guy is a
Speaker 8: legacy political character. Maybe it's worth listening to what the
Speaker 8: legacy media have to say. And the sort of one
Speaker 8: of the takeaways is that he changes his mind a lot.
Speaker 8: It's you know, he's not been a solid guy on
Speaker 8: any wing of the Labor Party for the past twenty
Speaker 8: thirty years, however long it's been. So we're kind of
Speaker 8: getting an unknown entity like who's been whispering in his
Speaker 8: ear recently? Where is his head at? He gave a
Speaker 8: speech today on the steps of Downing Street as a tradition,
Speaker 8: and he laid out a bunch of stuff and it
Speaker 8: was broad Strokes.
Speaker 4: There wasn't a lot of detail.
Speaker 8: There was certainly no detail on how these polities are
Speaker 8: going to get paid for. But it's kind of like
Speaker 8: labour best hit stuff. I'm not seeing a lot of
Speaker 8: really astonishing new ideas. But as you say, he's kind
Speaker 8: of playing this back to the future retro playbook. He
Speaker 8: wants to make this all about this David and Goliath
Speaker 8: struggle against the ghost of Thatcherism, and of course, you know,
Speaker 8: God bless her immortal memory, Baroness Thatcher has been dead
Speaker 8: for these ten years, fifteen years or more, she's been
Speaker 8: out of power for thirty five years. And still that's
Speaker 8: what he's making his leadership all about.
Speaker 3: Quite extraordinary, and this is direct and I alluded to this.
Speaker 3: He calls out Thatcher in the opening speech or what
Speaker 3: do you say? And also what's the larger here because
Speaker 3: the problem facing the UK right now absolutely easier of
Speaker 3: them have to do with Margaret Thatcher.
Speaker 8: Well, it's an interesting one. So you're why is he
Speaker 8: doing this? I think it plays very well for him
Speaker 8: with like traditional labor heartlands that labor, let's be honest,
Speaker 8: have been doing really badly with in the past few years.
Speaker 8: And Nigel Farrag has been doing very well there and
Speaker 8: I think it's also worth considering that until relatively recently,
Speaker 8: it's probably fair to say that Nigel Ferrag himself was
Speaker 8: like the last living, true proponent proponent of Thatcherism. So
Speaker 8: it's easy, I think, an easy message for Burnham to
Speaker 8: take to these northern post working class if you want
Speaker 8: to put it that way seats and say thatcher was
Speaker 8: the devil. She still is the devil. Nigel Farage wants
Speaker 8: to bring that devil back and I'm going.
Speaker 4: To stop him. The problem is this is really totally unreasonable.
Speaker 8: As I say, Fatriism is long gone, this is no
Speaker 8: longer a factor in British politics. And Nigel Forude himself,
Speaker 8: as I say, like the last yeah, the last night
Speaker 8: riding to that banner, told Breitbart News years ago now
Speaker 8: that he considers it answers for the past, the issues
Speaker 8: that Thatcherism dealt with, That was a problem for the
Speaker 8: nineteen seventies, she dealt with that in the eighties and
Speaker 8: the actual problems facing normal people in Britain. Now it's
Speaker 8: not about capitalism versus socialism, it's about the people versus corporatism,
Speaker 8: big business.
Speaker 4: And I think he's absolutely right to do that.
Speaker 8: So I think if we look talking about where politics
Speaker 8: in Britain goes now, let's say over the next five years,
Speaker 8: next two and a half years to the next general election,
Speaker 8: I think there's going to be an almost a proper
Speaker 8: gander battle between Nigel ferrag and Andy Burnham for who
Speaker 8: is going to seem the most legitimate, the most real,
Speaker 8: the most down to earth with those, as I say,
Speaker 8: post working class voters in post industrial towns, to say
Speaker 8: we can reindustrialize, we can bring these areas back, we
Speaker 8: can take back control. And these opening moves today that
Speaker 8: you've alluded to with these like kind of weird out
Speaker 8: of time references to Thatcher, that's Burnham building that up.
Speaker 3: So, Aliva, when we come back from the break, what
Speaker 3: I'm going to have you knew is I'm going to
Speaker 3: have you get into me, get into with me. What
Speaker 3: President Trump said to the incoming prime minister. I think
Speaker 3: he wants them.
Speaker 2: To maybe real baby drill.
Speaker 3: Perhaps I'm going to get a sense of is there
Speaker 3: a path for Farage to become the next prime minister,
Speaker 3: and whether or not this guy's going to be rehabilitating
Speaker 3: the left with a bunch of NGO funding all that
Speaker 3: to come on the Q Huge Show with Me Alex Marlow.
Speaker 2: Back to business on the Hugh Huge Show.
Speaker 3: Alex Marlow here, editor in chief of bright Bart News
Speaker 3: and host of The Alex Marlow Show. Usually wherever you
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Speaker 3: me today and thanks to Hugh as always for allowing
Speaker 3: me into the Captain's chair. My London bureau chief for
Speaker 3: Brightbart News, Oliver Lane, is with me for another segment,
Speaker 3: and Oliver, I want to get into what we know
Speaker 3: about Andy Burnham, the new Prime Minister, and first of all,
Speaker 3: his platform. I'm just going to do some spoilers here.
Speaker 3: Didn't look like he's talking about immigration at all. Maybe
Speaker 3: the number one problem facing the UK right now, their
Speaker 3: energy crisis that they're in. It seems like he's a
Speaker 3: guy who's reliant on win, focused on net zero.
Speaker 2: He wants to deal with homelessness. Okay, great, but what's
Speaker 2: the plan. Get into what we know about his agenda
Speaker 2: thus far?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I have to emphasize we know so little, but
Speaker 8: you have picked up on basically the best place is
Speaker 8: to start. You started with immigration, the mass migration problem
Speaker 8: that the UK faces, just like so many European countries.
Speaker 8: I was crunching some figures earlier today, getting preparation for this,
Speaker 8: and I find it incredible. The population of the United
Speaker 8: Kingdom has increased by something like ten million since the
Speaker 8: nineteen eighties, but the white British population of the United
Speaker 8: Kingdom is actually less now than it was in nineteen
Speaker 8: eighty one. Now, the important thing about that is it
Speaker 8: shows a degree to which mass migration is driving population growth.
Speaker 8: And what does that drive great It drives property prices,
Speaker 8: because of course there's a finite number of houses.
Speaker 4: In this country. We aren't building very money.
Speaker 8: With more and more people, there's more and more demand
Speaker 8: and that goes the same Nigel Farage talks about this
Speaker 8: all the time. Demand on roads, schools, hospitals, every single
Speaker 8: conceivable public service under greater strain as higher costs, and
Speaker 8: this is driving a part of our cost of living crisis.
Speaker 4: Is what we call it over here.
Speaker 8: So this is a very important subject matter, and that
Speaker 8: all that rolls into is how important is to British people.
Speaker 8: If you look at the polling people being asked this
Speaker 8: country like twice a week. What are the most important
Speaker 8: political areas to you? Migration is number one, number two,
Speaker 8: number three every month going back for fifteen years. This
Speaker 8: is no small thing. And did Andy Burnham talk about
Speaker 8: it today, No, not a word. Reforming UK picked up
Speaker 8: on that right to do so some interesting developments there though.
Speaker 8: I mean, this is happening as we're talking now, and
Speaker 8: we're going to get more on this through the night.
Speaker 8: Burnham is now selecting his cabinet ministers, those people who
Speaker 8: are going to hold those offices within the government. And
Speaker 8: he's chosen his Home Secretary and guess what, it's the
Speaker 8: same one.
Speaker 4: As the last government.
Speaker 8: So he's keeping Starmer's Home Secretary, Shabarnamer Mood, and that
Speaker 8: is a signal because Shabanama Mood wein labor and I
Speaker 8: have to clarify this is as far as left people
Speaker 8: are concerned, she's a migration hardliner. To you and me,
Speaker 8: it's a laughable of thought to think of her as
Speaker 8: a migration hardliner. But as far as the left wing
Speaker 8: government goes, she's possibly the most hardline Interior minister Home
Speaker 8: Secretary we could possibly hope for.
Speaker 4: So there's something there. There's at least a hope.
Speaker 3: So there's already talk about dealing with homelessness, which, again,
Speaker 3: we all want to deal with homelessness, but this ends
Speaker 3: up being, at least in my neck of the words,
Speaker 3: out in Los Angeles, California, whenever we talk homelessness, we
Speaker 3: end up talking a bunch of money going out the
Speaker 3: door from taxpayers to left wing NGOs with zero results
Speaker 3: into your accountability.
Speaker 2: What's your expectation here, Yeah, this.
Speaker 8: Is such a difficult topic to talk about because you know,
Speaker 8: we want homelessness to be solved, that we want there
Speaker 8: to be answers to this, and it seems like there
Speaker 8: are only two answers that neither of them are actually
Speaker 8: very good.
Speaker 4: And you and I were talking about this earlier.
Speaker 8: There's the Paris Olympics approach, where you send in the
Speaker 8: police and put homeless people in the backs of lorries
Speaker 8: and move them to camps outside the city. I don't
Speaker 8: like the sound of that very much. That seems a
Speaker 8: bit authoritarian. And then there's the left wing throw of
Speaker 8: the problem. You know, feed those NGOs make them more.
Speaker 4: Powerful and richer.
Speaker 8: Doesn't actually seem to fix anything, but I guess it
Speaker 8: makes you feel better about yourself. So It's interesting that
Speaker 8: Andy Burnham, again no party policy platform, no manifesto, surprises
Speaker 8: us almost with when he stands before Downing Street, the
Speaker 8: Executive Mansion, if you can call it that, this afternoon,
Speaker 8: he says, the first thing I do when I walk
Speaker 8: in that door is I'm going to fix homelessness. Like
Speaker 8: he can click his finger and make it go away. Now,
Speaker 8: we're not aware he has any policy for that. So
Speaker 8: how's he going to make it work?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's good campaigning. It's just announcing platitudes. It's
Speaker 3: always worked for liberal people.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump,
Speaker 3: he has a couple of things on his mind that
Speaker 3: we know about. He wants the UK to ramp up
Speaker 3: defense spending, and he wants them to work on their
Speaker 3: energy crisis and to stop focusing on wind and net
Speaker 3: zero and start getting some of the rich energy resources
Speaker 3: underneath their feet which they do not tap, and get
Speaker 3: that going because that does again, it does one of
Speaker 3: those things where if there is more abundant flow of
Speaker 3: energy around the world, it helps American energy prices, which
Speaker 3: is on his mind for obvious reasons.
Speaker 2: Do you see any potential.
Speaker 3: For that for more defense spending and more tapping of
Speaker 3: natural resources.
Speaker 8: It's it's amazing. That's like basic economics one O one.
Speaker 8: Increase the supply and the price of the demand will fall.
Speaker 3: Look, I learned economics at Berkeley and they still manage
Speaker 3: to teach that.
Speaker 2: It's they're one of the ones where Berkeley.
Speaker 4: Even at Berkeley.
Speaker 8: So yeah, this this is something that President Trump has
Speaker 8: been hitting the UK with for a long time because
Speaker 8: it's so incredibly obvious. He is so very obviously right,
Speaker 8: but British government after British government has been incredibly resilient
Speaker 8: to it. Now I'm just going to mention here that
Speaker 8: there was a call between the new Prime Minister Burnham
Speaker 8: and President Trump this afternoon, first telephone call that Burnham
Speaker 8: made in office, so that's always a good sign. And
Speaker 8: he has said that he wants to support, you know,
Speaker 8: the transatlantic relationship and you know, the usual platitudes. So
Speaker 8: that's goody out of the door. It doesn't seem like
Speaker 8: a total le this nutcase. So we don't know what's
Speaker 8: talking about in that. We haven't had the redoubts yet.
Speaker 8: But as you allude to, there have been other messages
Speaker 8: going to and from between Washington and London over the weekend.
Speaker 8: We had this I think pretty extraordinary intervention from President
Speaker 8: Trump right there, just before Burnham gets his foot in
Speaker 8: the door, to say, by the way, and there's that
Speaker 8: word again, you have a cost of living crisis, and
Speaker 8: parts of that it's not just mass migration. Part of
Speaker 8: it is energy is really really expensive. In the United Kingdom,
Speaker 8: we have some of the most expensive energy on Earth,
Speaker 8: and we have, as you say, Alex, all of this
Speaker 8: wonderful gas and oil underneath our feet. My goodness, we
Speaker 8: even have coal we can frack if we wanted to.
Speaker 8: And the problem is the government we've had under Sekiss
Speaker 8: Starma hitherto to this point, has been absolutely dedicated to
Speaker 8: net zero, this idea that we should decarbonize, we should
Speaker 8: leave it all under our feet. This leaves us in
Speaker 8: this weird paradoxical situation where we're having this like transition
Speaker 8: allegedly between carbon fuel and green energy, you know, solar
Speaker 8: panels and winter turbines, that sort of thing, And we're
Speaker 8: not drilling for what's under our feet, but we are
Speaker 8: importing it from Norway, our next door neighbors, who get
Speaker 8: it from exactly the same place that we would underneath
Speaker 8: the North seat. It's completely mad. Donald Trump can see
Speaker 8: the insanity and he's been saying very clearly, stop being
Speaker 8: so stupid.
Speaker 2: Just drill oh right out.
Speaker 3: Forty five seconds. What is the path forward for Nigel Farage,
Speaker 3: hopefully the next prime minister or how do we pull
Speaker 3: it off?
Speaker 8: This is the maximum moment of maximum danger because I
Speaker 8: think British people in general, even people who aren't that
Speaker 8: into politics, are very fair minded. And I think we'll
Speaker 8: have what we had with Sakis Starmer, a terrible prime minister,
Speaker 8: let's be clear, but he had a little bump in
Speaker 8: the polls after he became PM. I think people said
Speaker 8: to him, we want to give you a go. I
Speaker 8: think they're going to do the same now to Burnham,
Speaker 8: even if they don't know who he is. If it
Speaker 8: calls a snap election, it could be a diicy moment
Speaker 8: for Farage. He would otherwise be the next Prime Minister
Speaker 8: of the United Kingdom.
Speaker 3: Last word for me, he looks like he is out
Speaker 3: of Central asking for a British prime minister. If that's
Speaker 3: one of Trump's lines he likes to use in Central
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