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Speaker 3: Hello, Welcome to The Charlie Kirk Show.
Speaker 4: I'm Blake.
Speaker 3: Andrew is also with us I believe he's in Palm Beach.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if we have a connection with him
Speaker 3: or not. We don't have him yet. Alrighty, well, we'll
Speaker 3: just jump right into it. There's a lot going on today,
Speaker 3: but the story we wanted to start with today is
Speaker 3: one that I think affects all certainly all of us
Speaker 3: here in a more personal way than it ever did before. Yesterday,
Speaker 3: there was a mass shooting in Canada. This is in
Speaker 3: the town of tumblr Ridge. It's in northern British Columbia.
Speaker 3: It's a town of only a few thousand people, very
Speaker 3: far away from anywhere else, and there was a shooter there,
Speaker 3: and there's been ten fatalities, including the shooter himself. But
Speaker 3: what stands out about this is it fits into a
Speaker 3: mic pattern that has emerged over the past few years.
Speaker 3: The police originally identified the shooter as a woman in
Speaker 3: a dress with brown hair. I think, if you're like me,
Speaker 3: if you're like a lot of people, that immediately.
Speaker 4: Makes you raise an eyebrow.
Speaker 3: A woman in a dress, And unsurprisingly, what a lot
Speaker 3: of people immediately jump to is this is probably a
Speaker 3: transgender person who has done shooting. And that was only
Speaker 3: supported when the police came out and this is the
Speaker 3: Canadian police, of course, and began referring to the shooter
Speaker 3: as a word I'm not sure any of us have
Speaker 3: ever heard before.
Speaker 4: Let's play clip three point fifty.
Speaker 1: One that includes the deceased gun person.
Speaker 3: Okay, and then separately, do you know the gun person's
Speaker 3: relationship to.
Speaker 4: A gun person? Not a gunman?
Speaker 3: I think even I think even when a woman does
Speaker 3: a shooting, it's usually just gunman. But now this time
Speaker 3: it's a gun person. And so I'm not going to
Speaker 3: recite the name merely because the Canadian police have not
Speaker 3: officially identified the shooter yet, but we have very very strong,
Speaker 3: i would say, overwhelming evidence that this shooter was a
Speaker 3: local transgender individual. This person killed two people in their
Speaker 3: own family at their home and then went to their
Speaker 3: school and went on a spree shooting. And this is
Speaker 3: something that personally affects me because I remember when the
Speaker 3: Covenant school shooting happened in the spring of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: I just started working with Charlie, and that shooter, of course,
Speaker 3: turned out to have a transgender identification along with a
Speaker 3: bunch of other issues, and Charlie predicted on the show
Speaker 3: that he thought there would be a wave of transgender
Speaker 3: shooters of one kind or another, and I was skeptical.
Speaker 3: I said, Charlie, they're a very tiny share of the population,
Speaker 3: under one percent. Shootings like this are rare events generally,
Speaker 3: and I just I don't think you're likely to see,
Speaker 3: you know, one percent times of tiny number turn into
Speaker 3: a real trend. And the truth is Charlie was right
Speaker 3: and I was wrong, because since then we had the
Speaker 3: shooting at Annunciation Catholic in Minneapolis that was a transgender shooter.
Speaker 3: We've had we hadn't known about this at the time
Speaker 3: or noticed that. But Hyland's Ranch in Colorado there was
Speaker 3: a shooting there, two shooters, and one of them was transgender.
Speaker 3: And of course, as all of you know, Tyler Robinson,
Speaker 3: the suspect who we believe to be guilty of Charlie's shooting,
Speaker 3: he appears to have been motivated. He was not transgender himself,
Speaker 3: but was in a relationship with a transgender individual and
Speaker 3: seems to have been motivated ideologically by that cause. And
Speaker 3: now this shooter, we're getting the person who's very likely
Speaker 3: the shooter. We're getting details someone found their Reddit account.
Speaker 3: This person was taking a super dose of Zoloft at
Speaker 3: two hundred and eighty milligrams a day. I checked online.
Speaker 3: The starting dose is twenty five milligrams, goes up to
Speaker 3: two hundred. This person was taking two hundred and eighty.
Speaker 3: They were supplementing that with marijuana. They were taking something
Speaker 3: called five meo DMT, which is a psychoactive drug that
Speaker 3: you get from licking Arizona desert toad. You extract that
Speaker 3: and get a psychoactive experience. And then this person was
Speaker 3: taking a giant pile of hormones because they thought they
Speaker 3: should be the opposite sex. And what I have to
Speaker 3: say is, I think we're going to see more things
Speaker 3: like this because we're seeing we're reaping the harvest that
Speaker 3: was sown about a decade ago when we started to
Speaker 3: have the transgender cultural contagion spread. It started with a
Speaker 3: handful of families in the Bay Area, elite families. They
Speaker 3: had this kind of let's say it, a fetish that
Speaker 3: was indulged and fed. And then we blasted it out
Speaker 3: to the entire world with media and the Obama administration
Speaker 3: encouraging insurance companies to cover this. And then we had
Speaker 3: activists takeover medical professional organizations and egg them on into saying, yeah,
Speaker 3: if your kid says, oh, they feel unhappy about going
Speaker 3: through puberty, or they don't like being a boy or
Speaker 3: don't like being a girl, we are gonna put them
Speaker 3: on a rocket ship towards getting irreversible surgeries, and we're
Speaker 3: going to put them on a ton of hormones. And
Speaker 3: the truth is is these are all very mentally unwell
Speaker 3: people who are probably not going to respond well to
Speaker 3: a giant cocktail of chemicals being thrown at their brain.
Speaker 3: And what started as a very niche thing with a
Speaker 3: handful of people has turned into a broad based thing.
Speaker 3: Like I said, tumbler Ridge, small town in rural Canada,
Speaker 3: and if you go across America, everyone in America has
Speaker 3: had this encounter. You know, someone at their school. It's
Speaker 3: a boy who says she's a girl and that he's
Speaker 3: a girl. Now grew out their hair, you know, wears
Speaker 3: a different outfit. And these people, over and over are
Speaker 3: not mentally well, and they gravitate together and online spaces
Speaker 3: where they're fed a very radicalizing ideology. They're said, they're
Speaker 3: told everyone must accept you, or they're trying to commit
Speaker 3: genocide against you. They're denying your right to exist and
Speaker 3: you have the right, and they're the ones who are
Speaker 3: most prone to interpret that literally and think, Oh, if
Speaker 3: someone is denying my right to exist, I should respond
Speaker 3: with violence. I should lash out at the world. This
Speaker 3: suspected shooter appears to on Reddit. Besides posting about the
Speaker 3: insane number of drugs they were taking, they were taking,
Speaker 3: they were going to a shooting range and practicing, and
Speaker 3: they were posting clips of this on trans guns, which
Speaker 3: is a subreddit that exists for transgender people to practice
Speaker 3: with guns. We've created a very, very toxic environment, and
Speaker 3: I just shudder to think that we're probably going to
Speaker 3: have more events like this, more shooters like the ones
Speaker 3: who target pub at school, like an annunciation Catholic, and
Speaker 3: like what happened with Charlie. But in the meantime, we
Speaker 3: do have this very bleak denial where there's a there's
Speaker 3: a true dynamic you notice with this shooting, where they
Speaker 3: have the competing impulses where they realize that if they
Speaker 3: publicly announced, oh, it was a shooter and it was
Speaker 3: a transgender individual who may have been motivated by that,
Speaker 3: that will look bad. But they've also been trained for
Speaker 3: a decade that they can't deny this person's pronouns. So
Speaker 3: we get this bizarre situation where they're using gun person as.
Speaker 4: Their chosen lingo.
Speaker 3: But they won't they won't confirm who the shooter is.
Speaker 3: They've they've taken longer on this than I think they
Speaker 3: normally would with something like because they still haven't confirmed
Speaker 3: it a day later, and they at this point I
Speaker 3: think very easily could and you know, we have clips
Speaker 3: that point this out.
Speaker 4: Let's do a three point fifty two.
Speaker 5: But we know if it was a victim who was
Speaker 5: trans because we understand this is a fifteen year old
Speaker 5: boy who identifies as a girl gone crazy. If it
Speaker 5: had been if it been a trans victim, they'd have
Speaker 5: talked NonStop about that, as they did about the tragedy
Speaker 5: of the killing of Brianna Jai, who was a boy
Speaker 5: who was living as if he was a girl and
Speaker 5: was treated as a girl by his parents and he
Speaker 5: was killed. He was not targeted for being gay, But
Speaker 5: most of the media reports go on and on and
Speaker 5: on about this trans killing because he was trans identified,
Speaker 5: but they ignore it when it's the perpetrator.
Speaker 3: All Right, I'm told we do finally have Andrew with
Speaker 3: us in Palm Beach. So Andrew, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: And man, what a what a tragedy that I think
Speaker 3: all of us are horrified.
Speaker 6: We were letting you cook. We were letting you cook. Blake,
Speaker 6: he made a lot of great points. Yeah, I'm here
Speaker 6: in Palm Beach, the mother ship for Real America's Voice
Speaker 6: with Rob and Parker Sigg.
Speaker 7: But yeah, this was a horrible shooting.
Speaker 6: And instantly you made the connection I thought about, Charlie.
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Speaker 6: People gathered with hope, seeking unity and comfort and tradition.
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Speaker 6: eight six six three three eight if CJ that's eight
Speaker 6: six six three three eight four three two five. On
Speaker 6: this trans shooting, Blake, you've you've really done a deep dive.
Speaker 6: Bravo on that first segment. You did fantastic. But we
Speaker 6: got to play this clip from Charlie. This was back
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty three. You mentioned that Charlie was right
Speaker 6: and a lot of people were wrong, maybe even you
Speaker 6: were wrong, but he nailed it. And it's creepy watching
Speaker 6: this stuff, you know. One of our producers sent me
Speaker 6: this clip from twenty twenty three and said, this is
Speaker 6: gonna be hard to watch, but you have to.
Speaker 7: Play it, and I agree.
Speaker 6: You know the way that everything went down with Charlie
Speaker 6: and the Tyler Robinson case and you made mention of
Speaker 6: the fact that he was at least motivated by his,
Speaker 6: you know, relationship with this trans identifying person. So let's
Speaker 6: let's go ahead and play it. This is from I
Speaker 6: believe This is from March twenty eight, twenty twenty three,
Speaker 6: play cut three eighty six.
Speaker 1: Trans people have been made into kind of the sacred
Speaker 1: cow of a American politics. You can't question it, you
Speaker 1: can't criticize it, and they believe they can threaten whoever
Speaker 1: they want. This is the ultimate top of the Impression Olympics.
Speaker 1: How many dead kids is it going to take for
Speaker 1: us to say we've probably gone too far here and
Speaker 1: we should just ask a couple of questions. How many
Speaker 1: mass shootings have to happen where we probably say wait
Speaker 1: a second, you know, can we just calm down?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 6: And basically Charlie goes on in that clip we have
Speaker 6: a second one three ninety seven.
Speaker 7: It might be worth playing, but the media.
Speaker 6: It has so fixated and by the way, Canada is
Speaker 6: worse than just about any other countries. It's worse than America,
Speaker 6: it's probably worse than the UK Blake. But they were
Speaker 6: worried about the privacy of the shooter So this person
Speaker 6: kills nine people, wounds another twenty five, some of them
Speaker 6: may lose their life, kills his own family, and they're
Speaker 6: worried about his privacy. Think about how backwards that value
Speaker 6: system is that would prioritize the privacy of the shooter.
Speaker 6: Call them a gun person, a lady in address. Respect
Speaker 6: the hell out of this person, but they don't give
Speaker 6: two craps about the people that just got shot and killed.
Speaker 6: Play cut three ninety seven.
Speaker 1: The media is actually pushing forward this total lie that
Speaker 1: there's a transgenocide again, the Trans Day of Vengeance. They
Speaker 1: have shirts where they say trans trans rites, and they
Speaker 1: have all these weapons or else that is a threat.
Speaker 1: Antifa and the trans mafia are now partners, and nobody's
Speaker 1: investigating them now, no one's asking questions. The media is
Speaker 1: terrified of these people, and by the way, some of
Speaker 1: that fear is warranted. You will get death threats, they
Speaker 1: will try to come after you. That's what they do.
Speaker 1: They enjoy the violence against conservatives.
Speaker 3: He was one hundred percent right on that, and as
Speaker 3: we learned to our horror, and it really is. If
Speaker 3: you look around online and if you start looking for
Speaker 3: the pattern, you see it over and over again, because
Speaker 3: it's not just that they're radicalized, it's routinely, even in
Speaker 3: stuff that's not specifically about transgenderism, often they most radical,
Speaker 3: the most extreme people in any movement are Often the
Speaker 3: joke would be that they're they're the trantissaries. They're like
Speaker 3: the shock troops of leftism, and often in bizarre ways,
Speaker 3: like a lot of the most militantly left wing moderators
Speaker 3: on websites like Wikipedia or on Reddit, they're often transgender.
Speaker 3: And then they're the ones, for example, who would be
Speaker 3: really gung ho about censorship. So the reason censorship on
Speaker 3: so many platforms went through the roof is you would
Speaker 3: have these transgender moderators and editors and such take it over,
Speaker 3: and they just everything gets consumed into them enforcing their fetish,
Speaker 3: this contagion on the entire population because they need that
Speaker 3: level of control because, as people have pointed out, if
Speaker 3: they aren't endlessly having people affirm their identity, it's like
Speaker 3: giving narcan to a hair attic. You're killing their high
Speaker 3: and you're driving them into a frenzy. And then on
Speaker 3: top of that, they're all medicated to the gills on
Speaker 3: untowed venom and so on. Andrew, but I wanted us
Speaker 3: to make sure that we hit another aspect of this,
Speaker 3: because there is reason for hope.
Speaker 4: This is all bad.
Speaker 3: We're probably going to see more shootings like this in
Speaker 3: the ears to come, but a big reason for hope
Speaker 3: that happened in the last few.
Speaker 4: Days and we haven't talked about it yet.
Speaker 3: We're going to also see the reckoning against the freaks
Speaker 3: and frauds and Charlatan's, the medical malpractice monsters in our
Speaker 3: schools and hospital systems who fed people into this contagion.
Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago in New York, not a
Speaker 3: red state by any means, a New York jury awarded
Speaker 3: a woman Fox Varian, two million dollars in a medical
Speaker 3: malpractice case. Because she her parents were going through a divorce,
Speaker 3: they were fighting over custody. She got depressed, she was
Speaker 3: diagnosed with autism, and in as part of this, she
Speaker 3: started to identify as a boy, was put on a
Speaker 3: rocket ship, got a double mastectomy in about a year
Speaker 3: under a year and only got worse and then eventually detransitioned.
Speaker 3: Went to a jury and said this was medical malpractice.
Speaker 3: I was not really a boy, and they did all
Speaker 3: these things to me. And she just got one point
Speaker 3: six million dollars in past pay and four hundred thousand
Speaker 3: dollars to cover her future medical costs. And if you
Speaker 3: look at the numbers from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: according to the American Medical Association, we've had over thirty
Speaker 3: two hundred mass tectomies on children twelve to eighteen, four
Speaker 3: hundred and five genital surgeries.
Speaker 7: Blake how Man, how many read that first stat again?
Speaker 3: Three thousand, two hundred and fifteen masstectomies on twelve to
Speaker 3: eighteen year olds from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty. So
Speaker 3: and that was before the peak. I'd say the peak
Speaker 3: was probably twenty one twenty two. Maybe maybe we're still peaking.
Speaker 3: So we've probably had thousands more four hundred and five
Speaker 3: genital surgeries, three hundred and fifty other gender related procedures,
Speaker 3: and that's on twelve to eighteen year old children of
Speaker 3: both sexes. It almost certainly the real number is higher.
Speaker 3: And that's that's surgeries. Never mind how many people took
Speaker 3: hormones because that's the first intervention they do, or puberty blockers.
Speaker 4: We know the puberty.
Speaker 3: Blockers that that wouldn't even fall into that age window
Speaker 3: that's often kids, you know, nine to twelve years old,
Speaker 3: and that can massively mess you up, that can lower
Speaker 3: your IQ, that can make you infertile for like huge
Speaker 3: numbers of problems.
Speaker 4: And now the other day, the UH.
Speaker 3: One of the Metal, Yeah, the American Society of Plastic
Speaker 3: Surgeons basically came out against gender related surgery for minors.
Speaker 3: I think we're opening the door to a wave. Thousands
Speaker 3: of these lawsuits could be coming, and they should be
Speaker 3: coming Red States. We should make sure our laws are
Speaker 3: as amenable as possible to these lawsuits. Make it so
Speaker 3: there's no window where you know, there's no statute of
Speaker 3: limitation on it, no ceiling on the damages. We should
Speaker 3: utterly bankrupt every doctor, every clinic that fed children to
Speaker 3: this Moloch monstrosity.
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Speaker 6: This was I mean, if you watched any of the
Speaker 6: news last night. So I got in late into Palm
Speaker 6: Beach and I turned on the TV and it was
Speaker 6: like wall to wall coverage, like all the networks were
Speaker 6: covering it because this was we are now in the
Speaker 6: eleventh day of this Nancy Guthrie saga where she was
Speaker 6: kidnapped and people figured out because she didn't make it
Speaker 6: to church and they called the family. The family went
Speaker 6: in check. They immediately called nine to one one, got
Speaker 6: the cops involved, and the investigation installed. It just felt
Speaker 6: like there was no movement. There was these ransom letters
Speaker 6: that were getting sent to TMZ and local affiliates that
Speaker 6: included bitcoin wallets, and you saw Savannah Guthrie going on
Speaker 6: TV saying please, you know, we want to talk. And
Speaker 6: it does appear that there's been activity now in this
Speaker 6: bitcoin wallet. So originally there was three hundred dollars sent.
Speaker 6: Now we're being told it could be all of it sent,
Speaker 6: but Harvey Levin over.
Speaker 7: TMZ is being very coy about what they know.
Speaker 6: It is one of those crazy stories that just seemed
Speaker 6: to accelerate with a lot of velocity last night. And
Speaker 6: so the FBI releases these ring doorbell footage that came
Speaker 6: from sort of residual data on this ring doorbell Nancy
Speaker 6: Guthrie did not have a subscription to keep the footage,
Speaker 6: to store the footage, and so the FBI had to
Speaker 6: come in with their digital experts and he create it,
Speaker 6: reverse engineer it, and then they went and found a
Speaker 6: person of interest. SWAT teams were sent out, they investigated
Speaker 6: this guy.
Speaker 7: It was.
Speaker 6: Everybody last night was thinking, was this the guy that
Speaker 6: that kidnapped her?
Speaker 7: Was somebody that was associated with the case.
Speaker 6: And listen, when the when the networks like this and
Speaker 6: when the tabloids are all covering this story, it means
Speaker 6: there's a billion eyeballs on this thing. For this has
Speaker 6: captured the imagination of the country. And it's just a
Speaker 6: really interesting story because as Blake has mentioned, as I mentioned,
Speaker 6: as Charlie's to mention, you know, this is really close
Speaker 6: to the Mexican border. And this person of interest was
Speaker 6: pulled over in a traffic stop about ten minutes from
Speaker 6: the Mexican border, so it was actually south of Tucson,
Speaker 6: where Nancy Guthrie lives.
Speaker 7: He's pulled over in ten minutes away from the border.
Speaker 6: We're all thinking, uh, oh, here we go, here we
Speaker 6: go now, could be the cartels. Then they interview him.
Speaker 6: This guy gets released. He says he's innocent. Three fifty six.
Speaker 7: What were they asking you about that?
Speaker 2: Whereabouts? Okay? Where do I? Where was I?
Speaker 8: And all that?
Speaker 7: But are you ever up in Tucson?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I work in Tucson. What do you do?
Speaker 7: Gls ther packages?
Speaker 2: Okay? Do you think you might have delivered a package
Speaker 2: to Nancy got through ouse? No, might have been a possibility.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you ever deliver like Amazon packages or anything?
Speaker 2: Well, it's that's that's kind of the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So do you think you may have? Did they ever?
Speaker 7: Did they indicate that you might have been on her property?
Speaker 1: You're not sure?
Speaker 2: No, they just came up. They until right now.
Speaker 8: All I know is that they show me my in
Speaker 8: la a picture of somebody wearing a mask or something,
Speaker 8: and they supposedly looked like my eyes.
Speaker 6: Right, Okay, So he denies this his I guess his
Speaker 6: mother in law was doing interviews with MS now or
Speaker 6: CNN last night as well. It's a fascinating story that
Speaker 6: seems to be developing. I think the big headline here, Blake,
Speaker 6: is the power of the FB to retrace digital footprints.
Speaker 6: Oh we do have John soon? Well, John, Yes, Welcome
Speaker 6: into the show. John could be with me fighting tech
Speaker 6: all morning.
Speaker 7: Good. It's great to have you. We're good.
Speaker 6: It's been one of those mornings though. So John, give
Speaker 6: us the latest. I mean, there was it seemed like
Speaker 6: this case had stalled and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: it just accelerated rapidly with Savannah Guthrie and her mom
Speaker 6: who's obviously been kidnapped, Nancy. What is the latest? They
Speaker 6: had this person of interest that was detained, not arrested.
Speaker 6: They've let this person go. What's the latest?
Speaker 8: So I think what you're seeing is the FBI has
Speaker 8: a pool of suspects. Remember what Cash Betel told Sean
Speaker 8: Handy last night, that they're looking at multiple people who
Speaker 8: could be involved in this.
Speaker 2: Now, that doesn't mean they were working together.
Speaker 8: Could be that they've got a pool of people that
Speaker 8: fit certain criteria. Their phone was in the area at
Speaker 8: the time, their eyes looked the same as the guy
Speaker 8: in the camera they were near, or their phone was
Speaker 8: near a location that was of interest, and they're trying
Speaker 8: to narrow down who those people are and whether one
Speaker 8: of those people could or more than one of those
Speaker 8: people could have been involved in the abduction. And so
Speaker 8: it's a process of elimination. And you know, we in
Speaker 8: the media sometimes want instant gratification.
Speaker 2: First, guy, we're going to get them.
Speaker 8: You know, Cash Bettel did a good job getting Charlie's
Speaker 8: shooter right away. But sometimes you have to eliminate a
Speaker 8: few Pif you've got four phones in the right area
Speaker 8: at the right time, and we got to figure out
Speaker 8: which one is which until we find the guy whose
Speaker 8: eyes matched, who's on the camera. And I think they're
Speaker 8: in a process of elimination right now, and that will
Speaker 8: mean some people are going to be detained who are innocent,
Speaker 8: some people who are going to be detained that might
Speaker 8: ultimately be involved in the plot. But it is a
Speaker 8: process of elimination. And it's not unlike what happens in
Speaker 8: a case like this, where a lot of the evidence
Speaker 8: is already cold and you've got to go back and
Speaker 8: go to your second level of evidence to start finding people.
Speaker 8: Second level of evidence is a little less certain, but
Speaker 8: it gives you a pool of people to start looking at.
Speaker 2: And I think they're in that process right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and John, that's my question right because we I
Speaker 6: remember this when you know Charlie was killed, you know
Speaker 6: that everybody's talking about this the first forty eight hours.
Speaker 6: This is day eleven of this, so you know, the
Speaker 6: question then becomes, you know, how does this case get
Speaker 6: solved eleven days out from the actual crime? And you
Speaker 6: know what is the I guess my question has really
Speaker 6: been centered around is this cartel related? Have you heard
Speaker 6: anybody referencing that as their concern about that? I noticed
Speaker 6: last night on the networks, nobody was mentioning that nobody
Speaker 6: wants to get ahead of themselves. I get that, but
Speaker 6: this to me would be the immediate thought. But you know,
Speaker 6: everybody keeps looking for those closest to the gut Thrie
Speaker 6: family that might be connected in the Tucson area.
Speaker 8: I think right now, what you see in the statements
Speaker 8: that the sheriff has made is that they believe the
Speaker 8: person who came to this home had some familiarity with home.
Speaker 8: Obviously not enough familiator, because they looked like they got
Speaker 8: surprised by the ring camera. That's why they go get
Speaker 8: the brush and try to get rid of the ring camera.
Speaker 8: But they seem to know the structure of the house,
Speaker 8: how to enter, and where to go run back from.
Speaker 8: And so that tells you that this was a crime
Speaker 8: that at least was thought out, if not from someone
Speaker 8: that has some familiarity of the property. But that doesn't
Speaker 8: mean that a drug cartel couldn't have cased the joint.
Speaker 8: It doesn't mean that an insider could have been involved.
Speaker 8: It could mean someone that they met once and they
Speaker 8: came back to the house and realized they had a
Speaker 8: victim of potential opportunity. They're in a phase now where
Speaker 8: they don't have a singular theory, and I think that's
Speaker 8: what happens.
Speaker 2: Eleven days out.
Speaker 8: You start to approach a case from a cold case perspective,
Speaker 8: just like the way the FBI produced the arrested the
Speaker 8: January sixth bomber. After five years, you go back and
Speaker 8: now you start to look at a wider circle of evidence.
Speaker 8: Someone in a pattern of evidence. Someone had that ring
Speaker 8: camera for a while, Where did that ring camera, why
Speaker 8: it's battery was still on, What direction was that going
Speaker 8: and where did it last ping, What are the white
Speaker 8: trucks that went by the house. Who has a white
Speaker 8: truck or a white suv? Because that was what neighbors reported,
Speaker 8: And you start looking for people that have multiple points
Speaker 8: of evidence, but none of them are directly obviously involved,
Speaker 8: and you start going through them and saying, could this
Speaker 8: be the person? They have a very important piece of evidence.
Speaker 8: They have biometrics of the eyes, and they're going to
Speaker 8: find that person eventually by stopping someone.
Speaker 2: And one of the first things we're going to do
Speaker 2: is an IRIS scan to see if it matches that suspect.
Speaker 8: And I think that that is a process is but
Speaker 8: they're widening the circle because there isn't a singular obvious candidate.
Speaker 8: That's going to result in some misses when you do
Speaker 8: this sort of process of elimination. Some people are going
Speaker 8: to be innocent, but you know, they fit some of
Speaker 8: the data profiles and you've got to work them down.
Speaker 8: But they're more in a cold case mode now than
Speaker 8: they were in the first forty eight hours. When you
Speaker 8: try to solve a crime, there's a lot of questions
Speaker 8: about what the sheriff did and didn't do in the
Speaker 8: early part of this investigation, why the property.
Speaker 7: Was basically for a while. Yeah, Yeah, it was a
Speaker 7: big is my question, John?
Speaker 6: So there was there's been sort of a storyline here
Speaker 6: that local officials were slow to cooperate with the Feds.
Speaker 7: Have you confirmed that in your reporting?
Speaker 8: I think there's been conversations going along all throughout, but
Speaker 8: that the sheriff's department was in the lead early on,
Speaker 8: and then at some point the FBI comes into the
Speaker 8: lead three to four days out. And that's not an
Speaker 8: uncommon scenario in a local crime, particularly if you know
Speaker 8: it looks like the local police can solve in the
Speaker 8: first couple of days. FBI comes in an assistatory role
Speaker 8: when you get three to four days out and when
Speaker 8: there's a possibility that this could be a multiple person plot,
Speaker 8: which is one of the theories here. You got the
Speaker 8: crypto coming in, you know, the alleged crypto allegations. You
Speaker 8: now bring in the expertise, and they bring capabilities that
Speaker 8: a local sheriff's department has. FBI is much better at
Speaker 8: going back and retrieving old ring footage, camera footage than
Speaker 8: a local police would be capable. They're friendsic capabilities that
Speaker 8: local police don't have it. So the FBI comes in
Speaker 8: with that. That's how you get the video. The video
Speaker 8: comes out, it starts getting people thinking, I think I
Speaker 8: know someone that looks like that.
Speaker 2: He drives a white van.
Speaker 8: Tips start coming in and then you're starting to call
Speaker 8: that pool of suspects when you go back to the
Speaker 8: January sixth case, and it's a classic case of solving
Speaker 8: an old crime, and an old crime is anything outside
Speaker 8: the forty eight hour window.
Speaker 2: Every lead is still hot.
Speaker 8: They had a group of people that they saw come
Speaker 8: in the Third Street tunnel. They had a group of
Speaker 8: people who had phones they had in the vicinity. They
Speaker 8: had a group of people that had some political reasons
Speaker 8: to have concerns about January sixth, And they put all
Speaker 8: those people on a map and you just start eliminating
Speaker 8: till you find your guy.
Speaker 2: And that's what's going on right now.
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Speaker 6: I want to finish this uh with with you really quick.
Speaker 6: So about the Nancy Guthrie thing, because it's huge news.
Speaker 6: We shouldn't be having kidnappings in the United States of America.
Speaker 6: This feels very Latin to a point. Blake Blake NEF
Speaker 6: makes a lot on this show. Feels very Latin American
Speaker 6: and it's so close to the border. But Dan Bongino says,
Speaker 6: he's like, he lays out three options, you know, and
Speaker 6: he was his former deputy director of the FBI, So
Speaker 6: he says, one, this is either highly calculated professional crime. Two,
Speaker 6: the initial story is not everything. It's not the full
Speaker 6: truth that the investigators are holding back details because it's
Speaker 6: probably messier or more explosive. I don't know if that
Speaker 6: means it involves, you know, family members or connections that
Speaker 6: are closer or option three. Law enforcement's completely stumped and
Speaker 6: they just don't want to they don't want to say it.
Speaker 7: They're scared to admit that they're that stumped.
Speaker 6: Of those three options, where would you approximate where we're
Speaker 6: at right now?
Speaker 8: I think you merge one and two together and you
Speaker 8: probably have your best option. There's probably some professionalism to this,
Speaker 8: but there could be some connectivity to people who know
Speaker 8: the family, are neew of the family and might have
Speaker 8: reached out and got someone to do the initial kidnapping,
Speaker 8: and then it goes a little bit south, right.
Speaker 2: I think that's the theory I've.
Speaker 8: Heard most commonly in talking to law enforcement the last
Speaker 8: couple of days. So there may be someone who knows
Speaker 8: the family in some capacity at some time who saw
Speaker 8: a crime of opportunity. They might have reached out to
Speaker 8: someone to work with them to pull off that crime,
Speaker 8: and then it seems to go south in some ways.
Speaker 8: And that's why some of the police assess that some
Speaker 8: of these ransom notes seem not the normal path towards
Speaker 8: a ransom or kidnapping sort of crime, and so those
Speaker 8: are That's what I've heard on the inside. I don't
Speaker 8: think they're fully stumped. When you put out a video
Speaker 8: footage and you can show the eyes of a guy,
Speaker 8: and that means they probably have a car somewhere, it
Speaker 8: means they probably have tracking on the ring device. When
Speaker 8: that guy takes the ring device with him, pulls it off,
Speaker 8: that's trackable.
Speaker 2: For a period of time until the battery dies.
Speaker 8: And then at some point people like that are going
Speaker 8: to have pick up their cell phones and so they
Speaker 8: have The third part is definitely true.
Speaker 2: They'll have more data than they put out there.
Speaker 8: But I think they're looking at a combination of someone
Speaker 8: who had familiarly with her or the family and then
Speaker 8: maybe bringing in someone to commit the crime. I think
Speaker 8: that's the biggest area they're looking at right now.
Speaker 6: All right, I want to pivot really quick here. Our
Speaker 6: audience is really into the Fulton County story. Blake went
Speaker 6: through the affidavit. So Judge just unsealed the affidavit that
Speaker 6: enabled the FBI's raid on Fulton County election offices, and
Speaker 6: you have a big piece at just the news Blake
Speaker 6: and John tell us what you've learned, and then Blake,
Speaker 6: I know you know this better than me, so please
Speaker 6: chime in.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: First off, Blake, great job and all the work you
Speaker 8: do on a daily basis, you're doing amazing work. And
Speaker 8: by the way, let's put a circle around Maricopa County.
Speaker 8: It's the next Fulton County. I think you're going to
Speaker 8: see some law enforcement in legal activity in Americopa County
Speaker 8: coming in the next few weeks. It probably won't involve
Speaker 8: the twenty twenty election, will involve the twenty twenty four election.
Speaker 8: Keep an eye on that. That's right in your backyard.
Speaker 8: So let's watch that. What we're looking at here is
Speaker 8: sort of the way that al Capone gets captured. Al
Speaker 8: Capone never got prosecuted for being a mobster. They ultimately
Speaker 8: got him because he cheated on some taxes here in
Speaker 8: Fulton County. They're probably never going to prove that there
Speaker 8: was shenanigans in how votes were cast, but there is
Speaker 8: clear evidence that the way they were supposed to follow
Speaker 8: the law in counting the ballots and in complying with
Speaker 8: state law to do the recounts, that there were mass
Speaker 8: errors and that they may have tried to cover them up,
Speaker 8: and if they covered them up, they committed fraud under
Speaker 8: section five to twelve of the US Code, which says
Speaker 8: that election workers must abide by state law. They can't
Speaker 8: fraudulently fake counts or fake numbers just to make them
Speaker 8: look like they were competent. What they're looking at is
Speaker 8: that Fulton County was so incompetent in voting that they
Speaker 8: mishandled the recount and the audits, and then they tried
Speaker 8: to cover it up. That is the theory of the case.
Speaker 8: There are five. This is a very important thing. I
Speaker 8: want everybody to go. Look at the article that Politico
Speaker 8: did yesterday. They wrote one of the most bogus articles
Speaker 8: in the entry. This is an old, recycled case of
Speaker 8: conspiracy theories that Trump people have been kicking.
Speaker 2: Around for years. That's not what that affidavit says.
Speaker 8: The affidavit says, we looked at all those conspiracies and
Speaker 8: we corroborated some of those concerns, and Fulton County has
Speaker 8: admitted to us that these bad things happened, that we
Speaker 8: double scanned ballots, that we didn't follow the certification process,
Speaker 8: that there were other irregularities that didn't follow state law.
Speaker 8: Those are significant emissions of wrongdoing it and now it
Speaker 8: becomes a felony if any of the acts at the
Speaker 8: five categories of acts that the FBI identifies there are
Speaker 8: considered to be intentional, mean someone did it knowing that
Speaker 8: they were going to violate the law, or they were
Speaker 8: covering up something, that becomes a federal felony offense. And
Speaker 8: so that's what the affidavit says. All five of those
Speaker 8: issues that the FBI sided, and the bullet points at
Speaker 8: the top of that are five things that justin News
Speaker 8: began writing about in twenty one, twenty two, twenty three
Speaker 8: to tree.
Speaker 2: For all five of them.
Speaker 8: We got Governor Kemp to weigh in on some of it,
Speaker 8: and he made a referral Brad Rathsenberger, who once called
Speaker 8: it a perfect election, later had admit it wasn't He
Speaker 8: came on the show seven times.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 8: All five of the things they found are things that
Speaker 8: we corroborated through evidence, and now Foulton County is admitting
Speaker 8: that these things happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, it's just fixating on stuff that, as you say,
Speaker 3: is sort of they'll say it's debunked, and yet it
Speaker 3: never quite was like they do have the strange discrepancy
Speaker 3: between like ballot images. The affidavit goes on at length
Speaker 3: about they had at one point seventeen eight hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty two missing ballot images. There's live examples of ballot
Speaker 3: images that appear to show literally identical images between different ballots.
Speaker 3: And you know that seventeen thousand number comes up again
Speaker 3: if you check the actual number of votes. President Trump
Speaker 3: only lost Georgia by twelve thousand votes. This is a hyperpartment.
Speaker 2: It matters.
Speaker 4: But they, as you say, it is sort of the
Speaker 4: al Capone type thing.
Speaker 3: They repeatedly know that if they're breaking the rules on
Speaker 3: how they're storing the ballots, how they're scanning them, if
Speaker 3: they're doing all these process issues with it, even if
Speaker 3: it didn't change a single outcome, even if it didn't
Speaker 3: really change a single vote, that would still potentially be
Speaker 3: a federal crime.
Speaker 8: It is, you got it right, Blake, That's exactly what
Speaker 8: the case is. Now when it moves to Arizona, I
Speaker 8: think there's going to be a different issue with the
Speaker 8: integrity of where blank and actual ballots were being stored
Speaker 8: in the same location.
Speaker 2: Keep an eye on that.
Speaker 8: That's going to be a slightly different issue than I
Speaker 8: keep an eye in Michigan. Missigan's going to have some
Speaker 8: interesting stuff happening pretty soon.
Speaker 7: Great work, John, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2: We'll do the show, guys, my friend. Good to talk
Speaker 2: to you.
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