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Speaker 2: we're joined by retired marine lawyer and candidate for Maryland's

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Speaker 2: sixth congressional district, Chris Burnett.

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Speaker 1: Chris, welcome to the show. Love to have you here.

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Speaker 2: I think people here marine lawyer, and I think they

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Speaker 2: immediately picture a few good men.

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Speaker 1: Now tell us what the reality is and is that

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Speaker 1: true at all?

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Speaker 2: Did the movie nail it give us the reality of

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Speaker 2: what a marine lawyer does and whether or not that.

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Speaker 1: Was a good depiction of reality.

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Speaker 3: Well, first, thanks for having me on, and that's a

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Speaker 3: great first question. I think they did a pretty good

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Speaker 3: job with the level of intensity in professionalism that you'll

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Speaker 3: find anywhere in the Marine Corps. But across my twenty

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Speaker 3: I never saw anybody matching Jack Nicholson's performance in an

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Speaker 3: actual courtroom in the Marine Corps. So they did a

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Speaker 3: I can't take anything away from Jack Nicholson in that movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's hard to beat that. That's a classic.

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Speaker 1: We love that one.

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Speaker 2: I also think of, of course Full Metal Jacket as well.

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Speaker 2: That's got to be a reality. And when it comes

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Speaker 2: to like the basic training rate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say they did a pretty good job there,

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Speaker 3: again capturing the intensity of becoming a marine and earning

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Speaker 4: So I've enjoyed them.

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Speaker 3: I would say there's a little bit of an exaggeration

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Speaker 3: here and there, but that's to be expected of Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, well, there's little we actually expect of Hollywood,

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Speaker 2: but we know that they take a lot of liberties

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Speaker 1: You guys sacrifice a lot.

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Speaker 2: There's so much that goes into training our incredible men

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Speaker 2: Before you retire, you did war planning in the Middle

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Speaker 1: America for Venezuela. So what does that mean? What does

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Speaker 3: Across my career, I had spent quite a bit of

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Speaker 3: as a Marine Corps officer, you're first and foremost there

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Speaker 3: So you're a line officer first. So I spent quite

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so curious now that you served in both

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Speaker 4: So to finally see that.

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Speaker 3: We're taking action that was needed not only for a

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Speaker 4: And this is a breath of fresh air.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing when you go back to the president's

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Speaker 2: I remember Chris before he even became president, my father

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Speaker 2: And ISIS was dealt with Chris in a matter of weeks.

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Speaker 2: So whenever you have a situation like Maduro's capture, to

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Speaker 4: Not only rising the cost.

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Speaker 4: So this is overdue.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't be more proud of what US service members

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Speaker 1: We can't do that.

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Speaker 2: And so this president has said I want to do

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Speaker 2: What do you make of all the talk you know

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Speaker 3: Know, Cuba has been a thorn in our side for decades,

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Speaker 4: I do not believe military action is going to be required.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Listen, it's really interesting to me always to talk

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Speaker 1: But you find that those are the.

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Speaker 1: And then it's shocking to me, Chris, because you have.

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Speaker 2: These liberal groups like Code Pink who are taking trips

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Speaker 2: They really don't care what it is they're going to

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Speaker 2: I guess they're going to support the communist regime in Cuba.

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Speaker 2: What is that disconnect between liberals in America and you know,

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Speaker 3: And that's usually where I find myself now starting to

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Speaker 3: And outside of just their sheer hatred of President Trump

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Speaker 2: Of a liberal, a lot of times you just have

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Speaker 2: It's crazy, But here we are. They can't help themselves.

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Speaker 1: We know that.

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Speaker 2: God knows, we do need to talk about a few

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Speaker 3: that my wife did not want to move anymore, and

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Speaker 3: she wanted to stabilize our household for the kids so

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Speaker 3: they could finish high school and they could go to

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Speaker 3: a single school for the first time and almost at

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Speaker 3: that point twenty two years of just moving around constantly.

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Speaker 3: So we wanted to stabilize the house, take care of

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Speaker 3: the kids. And what we started looking at was what

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Speaker 3: we were going to do next. And when my wife

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Speaker 3: was unable to open a business, and she's a naturalized

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Speaker 3: US citizen. She came from West Africa in Guinea, and

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Speaker 3: so the American dream for her was to pursue this

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Speaker 3: opportunity to start a business. And when she realized that

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Speaker 3: in Maryland, where she wanted us to stay, that she

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Speaker 3: couldn't open a business, I was able to convince her

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Speaker 3: that this might be the best way for me to

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Speaker 3: continue my service to our country was to run for Congress.

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Speaker 3: And then as I investigated further, I live in Congressional

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Speaker 3: District six, and our current congresswoman Delaney is a multi

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Speaker 3: millionaire who lives outside of the district. Her husband had

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Speaker 3: previously been the congressman for Congressional District six, and she

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Speaker 3: had taken over the position from David Trone, an out

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Speaker 3: of district billionaire. And when it was clear is that

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Speaker 3: Congressional District six had not had a conservative voice since

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Speaker 3: Roscoe Bartlett when he was jerry mannered out in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 4: So I saw an.

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Speaker 3: Opportunity to fulfill a promise that I'd made to my

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Speaker 3: wife and to really bring a voice back to Congressional

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Speaker 3: District six of families like mine that are struggling with

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Speaker 3: the affordability crisis in Maryland. And I mentioned the affordability

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Speaker 3: crisis in Maryland because we have a supermajority that has

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Speaker 3: absolutely devastated the middle class, and they've done so intentionally

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Speaker 3: out They've regulated businesses out of existence, they're over taxing residents,

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Speaker 3: They've put fees on everything under the sun, and none

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Speaker 3: of the services have improved. The quality of life for

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Speaker 3: or average Maryland or has gotten worse as we're paying

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Speaker 3: more to a state that is just to functional. So

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Speaker 3: when I saw an opportunity to lead, and I saw

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Speaker 3: an opportunity to continue my service to this country, running

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Speaker 3: for Congress made the most sense.

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Speaker 4: So what we're now doing is we're running.

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Speaker 3: A grassroots campaign from the ground up to send either

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Speaker 3: Delaney or Throne back to their homes out of the

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Speaker 3: district and bring a voice back to Western Maryland. And

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Speaker 3: it's been a phenomenal response that folks have had because

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Speaker 3: that they like the idea of somebody in the district

487
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Speaker 3: who represents their values, represents their interests, and is having

488
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Speaker 3: the same experience that they're having with the affordability crisis,

489
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Speaker 3: to be a voice in Congress for their interests.

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Speaker 4: So it's been a great experience.

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Speaker 3: Already, and we're just starting to get ready for a

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Speaker 3: summer sprint to make western Maryland red again.

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Speaker 2: I got to tell you it is it's great to

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Speaker 2: hear you say that. What a shocker that people may

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Speaker 2: want someone who actually lives in the district to represent

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Speaker 2: them in Congress. It's a novel idea, I know, to

497
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Speaker 2: a lot of these people. The jerrymandering in Maryland has

498
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Speaker 2: been outrageous. It's been one of the crazy siest things

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Speaker 2: to watch over the course of several years. So good

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Speaker 2: for you. You We wish you the best of luck.

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Speaker 2: Where can people find out maybe how to get involved

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Speaker 2: in your campaign, more about you, how to volunteer, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: So Burnett for Congress dot com is my website. From there,

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Speaker 3: you can check everything that we've put on social media.

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Speaker 3: We've posted over two hundred videos of all the places

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Speaker 3: that we've been for town halls, all of the events

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Speaker 3: we've conducted, Everything that we do, we post. We're trying

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Speaker 3: to have as transparent of a campaign as possible, But

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Speaker 3: you can go onto the website to sign up to volunteer,

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Speaker 3: sign up for our newsletter, and also.

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Speaker 4: Donate to our campaign.

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Speaker 3: We're beginning a general election messaging campaign that's going to

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Speaker 3: really try to touch individual homes, to get people out

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Speaker 3: and to finally make Western Maryland red again. But it's

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Speaker 3: going to require a tremendous amount of effort to unsee

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Speaker 3: two out of district billionaires competing for an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: Well, Chris, we're wishing you the best of luck. Thank

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Speaker 2: you again for your service to our country. We're incredibly

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Speaker 2: Good luck with your race, and we hope you'll come

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Speaker 2: the show. Thank you so much for joining us. Tell

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 6: What really made me speak out was when I went

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Speaker 6: the things that I saw.

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Speaker 5: You know, I've heard, you know, through.

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Speaker 6: The meetia and what have you, and from my friends

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Speaker 6: who are working in the system that the schools had

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Speaker 6: changed and that everything was different now, but I really

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Speaker 6: didn't really believe it for myself.

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Speaker 5: So, you know, Joe Biden's America.

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Speaker 6: I needed to make a little bit of extra money,

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Speaker 6: so I said, you know, what the heck, I'll go

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Speaker 6: in and do it. And my mother was trying to

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Speaker 6: get me to do it, so I decided just to

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Speaker 6: go in and see, you know, try my hand at it.

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Speaker 6: And what I saw there was worse than anything that

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Speaker 6: I could ever imagine.

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Speaker 5: The apathy from the teachers, from the.

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Speaker 6: Administrations, just an overall sense of decline and decay, and

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Speaker 6: the children aren't being challenged at all. And it's essentially

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Speaker 6: like the inmates are running the asylum. The entire education

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Speaker 6: ecosystem is turned on its head. You see, the teachers

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Speaker 6: are more afraid of the administration and the deans, and

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Speaker 6: deans in the hallway, and the teachers are sort of

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Speaker 6: So I noticed very early on that it was just

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Speaker 6: just a decline of morality, obviously a decline of any

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Speaker 2: You know, It's so crazy because I think that so

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Speaker 2: many people know that this sort of thing is happening.

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Speaker 1: You know, we hear about.

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Speaker 2: It, but GIN know, you how many teachers see it

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Speaker 2: on a daily basis, and yet it seems like nothing

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Speaker 2: gets done about it.

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Speaker 1: What was it that made you.

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Speaker 2: Feel like, you know what, I have to be the

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Speaker 2: try to expose this stuff, because.

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Speaker 1: It's very easy. I think people do it all the time.

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Speaker 1: They just look the other way.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely.

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Speaker 6: So one of the things that I noticed very early

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Speaker 6: one they tell the children that we don't give f's

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Speaker 6: capable of failure. And I thought that just from the

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Speaker 6: get go, that's one of the most egregious lies that

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Speaker 6: you could ever tell a child, is that they're in

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Speaker 6: capable of failure. I don't care who you are, how

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Speaker 6: everyone is going to fail sometime at something. It's just

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Speaker 6: a part of life. But you're telling children from inception

662
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 6: that they cannot fail. And then you institute something called

663
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 6: a noz Uro policy, which means that if I'm a

664
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 6: straight A student, I do all of my work, Yet

665
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 6: little Tommy next to me does none of his work.

666
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 6: He has to get a twenty percent baseline of a grade.

667
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 6: He must always get twenty percent, whether he turns in

668
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 6: all of his work.

669
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 5: Or none of it. Then I mean, at that point,

670
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 5: why even try.

671
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 6: There's no meritocracy, there's no actual, true reward center for

672
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 6: children who really try and apply themselves. So that was

673
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 6: one of the main things I saw that made me

674
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 6: really start to write the book. But mainly what I

675
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 6: saw was just the depravity and the absolute sense of

676
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 6: apathy from the administrators. They didn't care that children were

677
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 6: doing untoward events that I actually get into in my book,

678
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 6: very graphic things that I talk about that I witnessed

679
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 6: unfortunately firsthand, that were going on right there in the classroom,

680
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 6: and they couldn't have cared less.

681
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: It's so crazy to think about these things.

682
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: You know, in the book you also talk about fraud

683
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: and incentives in the system and the breakdown of discipline,

684
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: which I mean it sounds like kind of go hand

685
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: in hand with what you're talking about. But how are

686
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: those factors do you think working together to create the problem?

687
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: Obviously you saw there in the schools in Chicago, but

688
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: I think you know they're probably nationwide today. That's probably

689
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: a situation all around the country that people could point

690
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: to absolutely.

691
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 6: I mean, this isn't a Chicago things, on our South

692
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 6: Side things and our black things, not a white thing.

693
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 6: It's pervasive, it's everywhere. So as far as the frauds concerned.

694
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 6: When I was doing my research for the book, one

695
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 6: of the main things I noticed early on was that

696
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 6: to send us just a standard child to school in

697
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 6: Illinois without any type of special education IEPs as they

698
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 6: call them, it costs about twenty one thousand dollars. But

699
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 6: if you reclassify that same child as a special education IEP,

700
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 6: that money doubles to forty one thousand dollars. So what

701
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 6: I found very interesting was that a lot of the

702
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 6: school districts are gaining the system they are they're placing

703
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 6: children into special education classes that don't belong there so

704
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 6: that they could get more and more money from the

705
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 6: federal government. So and when they do that, I noticed

706
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 6: that they began to dilute the system in the classroom,

707
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 6: whereas children who really need the help aren't able to

708
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 6: get that help because now you have twenty five kids

709
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 6: in this room when there should only be ten in

710
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 6: this room. So now the pool of children getting the

711
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 6: help is getting smaller. It's getting wider and wider, and

712
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 6: the children who need the most, you know, they're being ignored.

713
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 6: And I noticed the same thing in the AP classes

714
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 6: because when I would be teaching some of the AP classes,

715
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 6: I would notice children getting up walking around, you know,

716
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 6: doing cartwheels in the back of the room, and I'm like, okay,

717
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 6: I know he's not AP. He doesn't belong here at all.

718
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 6: And I was wondering what was going on, and I

719
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 6: found I found it quite interesting that some teachers that

720
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 6: have been teaching thirty years told me that they're putting

721
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 6: children into AP classes that don't belong there to get

722
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 6: more funding as well. So that's the fraud aspect and

723
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 6: the discipline aspect that I noticed was the fact that

724
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 6: if you have these children in the AP class that

725
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 6: cannot perform, they can't keep up, They're gonna start act

726
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 6: out because they know they're going to get a f anyway,

727
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 6: so they might as well have a good time while

728
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 6: they get their failing. Great, and I think that's such

729
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 6: a disservice to the children who actually are there on

730
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 6: merit and actually are there to learn.

731
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, God, it's just it's frustrating.

732
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: And you know what, it's scary too, because this is

733
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: the next generation of Americans. So first of all, I

734
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: want to commend you for speaking out and calling attention

735
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: to this, because, like I said, it's very easy for people.

736
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: To look the other way. They do it all the time.

737
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: They take a paycheck, they go home, they don't really

738
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 2: care what happens here.

739
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: But this is the future of our country.

740
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: Geno, And that's really scary stuff. You know, you compare

741
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: America and our education system here to the rest of

742
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 2: the civilized world. We continue to see our students falling

743
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: farther and farther behind. We see them not being able

744
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: to read or do math at grade level.

745
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 5: Right.

746
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: This is a big problem going forward.

747
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: But I'm curious just in your experience, because I think

748
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: this is the big question. How did we get here

749
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: and how do we fix it? I mean, what would

750
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: you say if you could talk to President Trump right

751
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 2: now about this education crisis? What would you tell him?

752
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: What do you want him to know, and what do

753
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: you think can be done well?

754
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 6: I would say, mister President, respectfully, I know that you're

755
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 6: very busy.

756
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 5: I know there's a lot going on in the world.

757
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 6: But if you think what's happening in Illinois is bad,

758
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 6: I'm telling you it's twenty times worse than anything you

759
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 6: can imagine.

760
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 5: If you think that the fraud that Nick Shirley found.

761
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 6: In Minneapolis is bad, We're six point three times larger

762
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 6: here in Chicago than Minneapolis, so you can imagine it's

763
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 6: sixty times larger. I would like to see the federal

764
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 6: government specifically turn its sights on the Illinois Department of Education,

765
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 6: the Chicago public schools, and the South Suburban public school system,

766
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 6: which I worked in, because I'm telling you, the fraud

767
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 6: is rampant. They are placing these children into classes in

768
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 6: which they don't belong. And the children who are suffering

769
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 6: the most are the children who are special needs and

770
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 6: who are advanced placemen, who are not getting the help

771
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 6: that they so justly deserved. So I would say, mister President,

772
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 6: please turn your sits on Illinois, and from a federal standpoint,

773
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 6: what I could what I would like to see done.

774
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 6: I would honestly like to see the Department of Education

775
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 6: dissolved because for the last thirty forty years it's done

776
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 6: nothing but destroy these children. We saw what they did

777
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 6: during COVID. We saw how they were completely co opted

778
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 6: by the American Federation of Teachers with Randy Winingarten right

779
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 6: here in Chicago. We saw that the teachers would not

780
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 6: come back to the schools unless they were given air

781
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 6: conditioning and hand sanitizer. And they were out on beaches

782
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 6: somewhere in Cancun, they were out in Egypt, they were

783
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 6: in Hawaii. They were everywhere but in the classrooms. And

784
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 6: I believe a study came out last year. The Chicago Teachers'

785
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 6: Union raised forty one thousand dollars last year, but only

786
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 6: around about it. I think they said around eight percent

787
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 6: of every single dollars spent was actually spent in the classroom.

788
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 6: The rest of it was all on their own political

789
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 6: pet calls. And so mister President, please, I employ you

790
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 6: turn your sites on Chicago because we need you here.

791
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 6: I'm one of the only people out here that is

792
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 6: speaking out and at times I feel like a voice

793
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 6: in the wilderness.

794
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 5: We need you, mister President.

795
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you, Gino, he's very serious about

796
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 2: trying to rectify all the damage that has been done

797
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: to our educational system. He firmly believes that he is

798
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: going to put Lenna McMahon or Education Secretary out of

799
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: a job because he wants to dissolve the Department of Education.

800
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: It has failed our students, it has failed our next

801
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: generation of Americans. And he's been very serious when he

802
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: talks about that. How did you end up so in

803
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: tune with sort of the right thing? And I mean,

804
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 2: you seem like you get it, and it's very frustrating

805
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: because I feel like a lot of people, for some reason, Gino,

806
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: don't get it. What is your background? How did you

807
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: end up kind of the person who decided to say, like, hey,

808
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: we got a big problem here in Chicago.

809
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 5: Well, it all comes from up bringing. Honestly, I was blessed.

810
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 6: I am blessed to have the best parents that a

811
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 6: child could ever ask for.

812
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 5: My parents instilled something in me. They invested in me.

813
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 6: They made sure I am not full disclosure, I'm not

814
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 6: a product of Chicago public schools.

815
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 5: They did not want that from me. They didn't want

816
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 5: that life for me.

817
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 6: They put me in private schools and it was tough,

818
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 6: and they made a lot of sacrifices for myself and

819
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 6: my other two brothers, but they really did invest in us,

820
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 6: and so did my grandmother, my great grandmother, and my

821
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 6: grandfather as well. God rest his soul. So I come

822
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 6: from a very strong Christian background. My great grandmother was

823
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 6: the pastor of a church on the South Side Chicago

824
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 6: for over twenty five years. So I come from a

825
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 6: very strong support system. So I had never even been

826
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 6: into a public school other than to vote because that's

827
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 6: our nearest polling place. So when I walked into that

828
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 6: system for the very first time, it was like shell shock,

829
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 6: and I get into that in the earlier portions of

830
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 6: my book, Sex, Drugs and Literacy. When I first sat

831
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 6: down at the desk, I realized that there was a

832
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 6: breakdown because they didn't even tell me just the most

833
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 6: basic things, you know, how to take attendance correctly, how

834
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 6: to deal with the children when there was an issue.

835
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 5: I didn't even get a crash.

836
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 6: Course, they just sat me there and it was essentially

837
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 6: figure it out the best way you can. So, you know,

838
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 6: that's how I got into it, That's how I that's

839
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 6: how I became the person I am really is through

840
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 6: my parents. And what made me leave working in the

841
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 6: public school system, honestly was the fact that I received

842
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 6: a death threat.

843
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, just because this stuff.

844
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I received a death threat.

845
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 6: Actually it was from from a child that was at

846
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 6: the school because she was acting crazy in the classroom

847
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 6: and I just asked her just to have some decorum

848
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 6: in the classroom.

849
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 5: She didn't like that. She decided to curse me out.

850
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 6: So I called down to the front desk and I said,

851
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 6: you know, this child needs to be removed. And she

852
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 6: decided that she was gonna get in my face and

853
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 6: tell me that she was going to have her grandfather

854
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 6: and her brother come up to the school and f

855
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 6: me up. And just full disclosure, this school that I

856
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 6: worked in, two people have been killed at this school

857
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 6: on the grounds in the last two years. This is

858
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 6: Hillcrest High School in country Club, Illinois. Two people, one

859
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 6: was a student after a football game, was murdered, shot

860
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 6: did and the other was a parent after a basketball game, so,

861
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 6: you know, knowing that background, having that information, I took

862
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 6: that death thread very seriously and I said, no, I'm

863
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 6: going across the street to the police department.

864
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 5: I'm going to report it.

865
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 6: And I guess they didn't like that very much, and

866
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 6: then the girl wanted to, of course, make up some

867
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 6: lies about me, so they ended up moving me or

868
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 6: telling me they didn't want me to come back to

869
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 6: that school, and I said, you know, that's fine. I

870
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 6: don't need that, so I just moved on, and honestly,

871
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 6: I haven't missed a beat.

872
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 5: Sims.

873
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: You know what's so sad, though, Gino, is you're the

874
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: kind of teacher that these kids need, right, You're the

875
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: kind of person who can really I think whenever you

876
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: have good teachers, it makes all the difference in a

877
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: kid's life. I think back to some of the teachers

878
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: I had growing up. I actually went to public school

879
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: my whole life. I went to a state college, and

880
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: I can tell you some of the most impactful people

881
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: outside of my parents in my life were teachers and

882
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: coaches that I had. They had such such a found

883
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 2: impact on who I became and who I ultimately am. Today,

884
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: and it's so sad because your story, as frustrating as

885
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: it is, and I mean.

886
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: God, it led you to write a book.

887
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: And I want you to tell everybody in a minute

888
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: where they can find your book, but that you are

889
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 2: exactly what we need. We need teachers who care, We

890
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: need teachers who understand what these kids deserve.

891
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: They deserve so much better than this, right.

892
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: And it's so sad because you often see the good

893
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 2: teachers leave schools like this because of exactly what happened

894
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: to you, and I find that so frustrating, and I

895
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: find it so sad because it's just perpetuating a problem.

896
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: And that's why this president said, we do need to

897
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: eliminate the Department of Education.

898
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: We do need to do better.

899
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: We need to localize our education and leave it in

900
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: the hands of the parents and the local communities there

901
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: because this huge, bloated Department of Education, what it's become,

902
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: is doing huge disservice to our kids. So I totally

903
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: understand why you left, and I don't think anyone blames you,

904
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: but it's sad because you're not the only story like that.

905
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 2: There are a lot of great teachers out there who

906
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: just say, you know, what this isn't worth it.

907
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: I'm spinning my wheels here.

908
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: No one cares, and you know, the people who are

909
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: in charge of the school don't care. The kids here

910
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: don't care. And it's so sad because you're exactly what

911
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: they need. But where can everybody find your book out there?

912
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 4: Before we go?

913
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Speaker 1: I want to make sure that they can get it?

914
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, you can find my book on Amazon dot

915
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 6: com or BookBaby dot com. Now I will say Amazon,

916
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 6: it has sold out two times in the last month,

917
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 6: so that's a blessing. But if you don't want to

918
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 6: make order, you can purchase it on Amazon, but it

919
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 6: will be backwards so it'll be a delay. But if

920
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 6: you don't want to wait, just go to www dot

921
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 6: genoyong dot net.

922
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 5: That's g E n O wild unng dot net.

923
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 6: You can order it directly from my publisher and we'll

924
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 6: get it out to you this week.

925
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: Amazing stuff, you know.

926
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Speaker 2: I recommend everybody educate yourself well about the state of

927
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: education in America because it's important and whether or not

928
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: you have kids in this system, it impacts all of

929
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 2: us because this is who will be taking over our.

930
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: Country one day.

931
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: This is the next generation of our country and it matters,

932
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Speaker 2: So Gino, I just want to say thank you for

933
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: exposing this, thank you for fighting for our kids, because

934
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: this is really important stuff. And I hope you'll come

935
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: back sometime and update us, hopefully on good news. Maybe

936
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 2: we'll come you'll come back whenever we see the Department

937
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: of Education totally eliminated, and.

938
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Speaker 1: We'll talk about the next steps.

939
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: But the book is Sex, Drugs and a Literacy, The

940
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: Death of Education in America. Gino, thank you so much

941
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Speaker 2: for joining us today.

942
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Speaker 1: We really appreciate it.

943
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me. God blessed.

944
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: Right back at you all right to everybody at home,

945
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,959
Speaker 2: as always, make sure you like, subscribe, share, and follow.

946
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Speaker 2: We'll see you back here next time for more of

947
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 2: the right view.

948
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Speaker 1: And oh moll back down, by baby bad. There ain't

949
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Speaker 1: no ether way up.