1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Life Audio. I know you've probably heard the term you know, 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: the waiting is worth it and God is moving in 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: our waiting, but maybe you're tired of hearing that and 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: it just feels like a slow burn. Well, before you 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: get all cynical on me, I want you to tune 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: into this week's episode with my guests, because truly God 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: can move and do so much more in waiting, more 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 1: than you ever expected. Let's talk about it. Welcome to 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: this week's episode of the Bottom Beloved Podcast. As always, 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: it's a girl Kirby Kelly back at it again, and 11 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm so excited for the topic of this week's episode. 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm excited for the guests that we have who's chatting 13 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: with us, who is like the expert on this. She 14 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: literally wrote a book. It's called slow Burn, The Work 15 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: and the Wonder of the Wait by John Shreie Wilkerson. 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have her on. Can you just 17 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: let everyone know a little bit about like who you are, 18 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: what you do, what you're passionate about, and then we're 19 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: gonna just I've into the topic of this book. 20 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Thank you for having this conversation, Kirby. This is wonderful. 21 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: I'm originally from Shreveport, Louisiana, and I live in Miami now, 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: have lived in Miami for almost twenty years and celebrating 23 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 2: twenty years of marriage this summer. And I have four kids, 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: and we started a church about a decade ago, well 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 2: a little bit over that, eleven years ago in Miami, 26 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: in the heart of Miami. It's called Vou Church the OUs. 27 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 2: It just means to you that we are the church. 28 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: And I love seeing what God does in the context 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: of community, how He shapes us as we work together. 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: And I have four kids, but it wasn't always that way. 31 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: We walked through eight years of infertility and during those 32 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: eight years is really when my book Slowburne really started 33 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: to take shape because over those eight years, so many 34 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: private conversations with God, in conversations in our community. What 35 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: does it look like to wait on God? And it's 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: an adventure? 37 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: Thang, Well, I think that even though you had to 38 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: walk through that, and that's something that I don't wish 39 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: on anyone. Just knowing my friends who've walked through situations 40 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: like that, seasons like that, who are currently in that 41 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,119 Speaker 1: place today. It's a hard place to be. But I mean, 42 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: your proof of this and your book is proof of this. 43 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: Of as cliche and Christian as it can sound, the 44 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: waiting really is worth it because of where God meets 45 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: us in that place, the fruit that can come from 46 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: that place, and the intimacy that we can engage within 47 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: God in that place. And so I think it's really 48 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: beautiful that you ended up with that blessing. But you 49 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: also have the added blessing of this testimony of what 50 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: God does within the waiting, and now you're able to 51 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: testify and help other people walk through that too. So 52 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: let's talk about it. Early on in your book, something 53 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: that you write about is that the weight is not 54 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: just a season, like, the weight is life. It is life. 55 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: So how did that truth kind of read shape your 56 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: approach to waiting. How did you get from this perspective 57 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: of well, waiting is a season two, No, this is 58 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: kind of like a life thing, especially for the Christian. 59 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I came to a placering those eight 60 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: years of waiting. You know, it wasn't just me, it 61 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: was my husband too. And often we can look at 62 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: the infertility journey and go. 63 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not walking through that. 64 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: So I don't really know where the correlation is or 65 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: how I can really understand or what I can get 66 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: from your journey. But what I realized was is that 67 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,839 Speaker 2: it wasn't about the infertility thing, is just the life thing. 68 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: That life is full of waiting for men, for women, 69 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: for children, every age. We don't escape it because it's 70 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: in the weight that we really discover who God is 71 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: and who we are in Him. And it's that wrestle 72 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: that you're brought closer to God and that really your 73 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 2: your relationship with Him starts to take shape as you 74 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: choose to trust. 75 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: Him in the way. 76 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: So, yeah, I came to a point in the infertility 77 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: journey of eight years where I'm like, ah, you know what, Like, 78 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: as soon as I get through this season, there's just 79 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: gonna be another wait. We're all waiting on something, and 80 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: so waiting is not a season. Waiting truly is life. 81 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: So the question for us is am I gonna live 82 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: in the wait? And that's a question I ask myself 83 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: today with an eight year old son, six four and 84 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: a one year old, I'm still waiting. So what I 85 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: learned during those eight years of infertility in waiting I 86 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: carry with me today. 87 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: I think that for a lot of people who are 88 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: in a waiting season today. I mean, there are many 89 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: things that could be going on in their mind. There 90 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: are many perspectives that they might have, and it's really 91 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: easy to when we're in the middle of it, to 92 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: kind of fill in the blank of well, what is 93 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: God really up to? Well? Is he really kind? If 94 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: he's not moving on my timeline or in the way 95 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: that I expect or in the way that he moved 96 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:58,119 Speaker 1: for another person. Waiting it can often feel like disappointment. 97 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: It can feel like delay. Maybe even for some of us, 98 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: we assume or come to this conclusion, well, have I 99 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: done something wrong to bring this upon myself. I'm wondering 100 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: if you can maybe break down some of the thoughts 101 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: that you've even wrestled with in waiting, but the conclusions 102 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: you ended up with or ended up at with who 103 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: God is and the purposes of waiting and what God 104 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: does do in the waiting. 105 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's easy to think of waiting as like being 106 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: cursed or being judged. Waiting is neither. Waiting is an 107 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: invitation from God for intimacy, for identity, and for direction. 108 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: I think about David, you know, this is a man 109 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: after God's at heart, and how many times do we 110 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: read in his journals like upon you my soul weights 111 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: like only for you, Lord, my soul waits. In every 112 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 2: season he is articulating this weight that is life. And 113 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: so it's not to make us feel condemned. No, it's 114 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: an invitation. A lot of times we can view a 115 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: waiting season, you know, it's like a stop sign, but 116 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: it's not. It's not of We'll open up our heart 117 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: first of all, Like you may just have your eyes open, 118 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: you're like, I don't see any opportunity for growth here, 119 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: But open up your heart to the Holy Spirit, because 120 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 2: he wants to do something in you right here, right now. 121 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: You don't have to feel like your life is on pause. 122 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: And even when you do, even when you have the 123 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: emotional moments when you feel defeated, when you feel down, 124 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 2: just like David, we can bring our honesty to God 125 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: and he meets us in the weight with comfort, with strength, 126 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: with the reminders of who we are in him and 127 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: that he's not done yet. David had a lot of 128 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 2: different places to lay his head, you know, in the field, 129 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: in the cave, in the palace, on the war path, 130 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,119 Speaker 2: like there's a lot of different seasons he went through. 131 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: But in every season. Scripture says he encouraged himself right 132 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: in the Lord. And how do you do that? You 133 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 2: choose to trust that God. You're here right now. You're 134 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 2: not at the finish line or when I get through 135 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: this difficult Siaeson. You're right here, right now. Strength is 136 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: waiting for you, right here in the wait. 137 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: And you have a section in the book that's called 138 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: Who's Waiting on Whom? And I really like the prospective 139 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: shift that you kind of have in that section because 140 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: you flip the script and you suggest that you know, 141 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: God may be waiting on us, and like even what 142 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: you just said, it's like our eyes might be open 143 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: of like looking around, but our heart might still be 144 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: closed off to what God is wanting to do in 145 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: this place. So can you maybe speak a little to 146 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: that and like what you write in that section of 147 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: your book, because some of us are still kind of 148 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: like keeping Jesus at arm's length, waiting for God to 149 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: do something. But He's actually inviting us, like you said, 150 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: this invitation to move with him and to follow him 151 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: in our waiting. 152 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: When we read God's word like we read it for 153 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 2: our we really discover that scripture is so clear about 154 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: the work and the wonder that's available for discovery. 155 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: And the wait. 156 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 2: We see this picture of Jesus knocking at the door 157 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,679 Speaker 2: of our heart, and a lot of people can read 158 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: that and assume that it's a picture of salvation. But 159 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: that's not what the picture is in its entirety. It's 160 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: actually a picture of. 161 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: A daily. 162 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: A daily invitation from God to invite him in. He knocks, 163 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: He always starts. You know, we think that we found God. No, 164 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: God was pursuing you far before you even knew to 165 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 2: look for him. So he's at the door of our 166 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: heart each day. Will we invite him into our calendar, 167 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: invite him into our thought process, into the war room 168 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: of our heart. That invitation changes everything. At our church 169 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: we talk about first fruits, you know, putting God first. 170 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: And I noticed that when I set my mind on 171 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 2: the promises of God, God's word, I'm opening up that 172 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 2: door to my heart. I'm responding to him because I 173 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: was running around in chaos, you know, trying to fix 174 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: everything and put every fire out by myself thinking God, 175 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: where are you? 176 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: When He's like. 177 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 2: I've been at the door of your heart knocking. Why 178 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: don't you pause and like actually acknowledge me? I love 179 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: you know, the promised trust in the Lord with all 180 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: your heart, lean not on your own understanding, in all 181 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 2: your ways. What does it say acknowledge him? 182 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: Why? 183 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: Because he's waiting. He's waiting for that acknowledgment so that 184 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: he can lead and he will direct your path. He 185 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: can't direct you unless you acknowledge him, unless you actually realize, ah, 186 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: he's waiting on me. And so that flipped it for me, 187 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: because you know, it's hard to be patient when you're waiting, 188 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: But when you realize, oh, my goodness, God, you've been 189 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 2: so patient with me, you don't want to miss a moment. 190 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: That even makes me think of just like the whole 191 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: idea of surrendering, like surrendering to the law in those 192 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: seasons of waiting, because it can be really easy to 193 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: get caught up in just everything that life throws our 194 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: way and to try and even like manufacture results, manufacture 195 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: the timing of certain things, when really it is this 196 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: open invitation. Waiting allows us to have this open invitation 197 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: to actually slow down to meet with God, but to 198 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: also let go of some of the things that we 199 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: might be holding onto that could be causing delay or 200 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: that God wants to prune in the season of life 201 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: that we are in to move us out of the waiting. 202 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a million reasons why God might have 203 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: us wait. I'd love to hear even you talk about that, 204 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: like there are so many reasons why God might allow 205 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: us to wait. What are the different fruits that can 206 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: come from waiting or the purposes of why God or 207 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: how God uses waiting in our different seasons, in our 208 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: different situations, Because like you said, like David, he's a 209 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: prime example, there's so many other examples of people in 210 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: scripture who who endured different types of waiting and it 211 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: led to different purposes and seasons. So cause you maybe 212 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: even flush out, like whether it's within your own life 213 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: or just a scripture from what you've read, the different 214 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: purposes or reasons why might God might have you waiting 215 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: right now? 216 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: One of the most powerful invitations in The Weight is identity. 217 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: You will discover who you are as you open up 218 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 2: your heart to God and the Weight, because we were 219 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 2: meant to be defined by who He is. And when 220 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: things are moving, when you're you know, just nothing's holding 221 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: you back and you're winning and you're you're grooving, like 222 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: it can be really easy to create an appetite for 223 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: man's applause getting the credit. You can very quickly start 224 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: to think your identity is what other people think of you, 225 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: or what you've achieved, or even what your physical abilities are, 226 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 2: or your intellect, your strength, whatever it might be, your friendships, 227 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 2: your marriage. None of these things are the things that 228 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: actually define us. I'm a daughter of God. Maybe for 229 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: the men listening, you are a son of God. And 230 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: I can't earn that, and I also can't ascend. 231 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: Higher than that. 232 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: Like I gave my heart to God as a child, 233 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 2: and my identity was secure. So of course I work hard. 234 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 2: Of course, I mean I work every day, like I 235 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: have goals. I'm going for it, but I'm not going 236 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: for it to be validated. I've already been validated. No, 237 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 2: I'm living life on a mission, and as I do it, 238 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: I know that I'm seen by God. And so I 239 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: think for anybody listening, a great question to ask yourself 240 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 2: is do you feel seen? And if you don't know 241 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 2: how to answer that question, you know the weight is 242 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 2: a beautiful opportunity to settle that once and for all 243 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: that I am not working or striving to feel seen 244 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: by others. That will never fill me up. But in 245 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 2: the weight, there's this opportunity to embrace the stillness, the quiet, 246 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: and to really take in God, your eyes are on me. 247 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 2: Whatever I'm doing, you see me, and that is all 248 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: that I need. There's a confidence that comes from that. 249 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: There's a security that comes from that, and there's also 250 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: a courage to then go and take risks and operate 251 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: in faith. Why because he sees you and he's with you, 252 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: and he's leading you. And so I think identity is 253 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: one of the greatest invitations always in the way be 254 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: still and know that I am God. We put him 255 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: in his rightful place. It puts us in ours absolutely absolutely. 256 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: When you brought that up, this idea of like being seen, 257 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: the word that kind of like came to mind for 258 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: me for that was like this sense of insecurity, Like 259 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: waiting can really bring a sense of insecurity of like, Okay, God, 260 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: I see you moving in like everyone else's life, but 261 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: are you are you moving in mind? Like hello? Like 262 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: do you actually have favorites here? Like what is going on? 263 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: And it can create that sense of insecurity. And in 264 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: the book you also write about other uninvited guests that 265 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: can appear in these seasons where we might be in 266 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: a prolonged waiting period or you know, a different season 267 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: of life. Because life is a season of waiting. It's 268 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: it's a whole it's a whole period of waiting, different 269 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: seasons of it. But you talk about unwanted dinner guests 270 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: like fear, you talk about regret, you talk about pride. 271 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: How can we begin to evict you know, those unwanted 272 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: voices or or guests in a healthy and grace filled way. 273 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: Because I think for some people that's they're stuck in that. 274 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: It's not just I'm I'm waiting, but I actually feel 275 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: stuck in fear, in regret, in pri in all of 276 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: these lies, even that I'm believing today in my waiting. 277 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's such an important question. I think 278 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 2: that the Word of God, it's alive and it's active, 279 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 2: and I think it really takes captive those thoughts that 280 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: go against the truth of our identity in God. When 281 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: we're still in God's presence, we're able to take inventory 282 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: of our heart. The Holy Spirit searches even the places 283 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: that we ourselves cannot. He's faithful to do it and 284 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: to bring to mind, to teach us all things and 285 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: so I think the word of God is so key 286 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: in identifying thought patterns that are not of God. It 287 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: reveals it. You know, his word is a land to 288 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 2: our feet, it's a light to our path. And then 289 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: I also think community, Christian community is so key. So 290 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: much of our life has been given to the local church, 291 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: and it's just a worthy call because because Jesus, you know, 292 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: he loves the church. The church is his bride, and 293 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: we can't abandon the gathering of the saints. Yeah, it's rough, 294 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: because it's you know, as iron sharpens iron, so does 295 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: one man sharpen another. 296 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: And so in. 297 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: Relationship we become less selfish, we learn to compromise, We 298 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: learn to see a wider view, wider than what we 299 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: just understand. But when we start to have conversations, we 300 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: see more because of what our neighbor sees, what our brother, 301 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: what our sister sees. And so I think so much 302 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: of that eviction notice of the pride, the selfishness, the 303 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: insecurity that can just take up residence in our heart 304 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 2: without even asking. We don't even realize what we're absorbing 305 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,359 Speaker 2: through social media, through television, entertainment, through conversations in the workplace, 306 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: we start to conform to the patterns of this world. 307 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 2: But the Word of God just cuts through that. And 308 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 2: then community, where the gospel is the sin of the 309 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: reason why you gather it, lets you work out your 310 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: faith in a very real, genuine, messy, beautiful way. I 311 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 2: think that those two things are just so important. And 312 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: of course prayer, I mean pray first always as you 313 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: put it before God, He's not trying to strike you. Okay, Lord, 314 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: there's things in my heart that are holding me captive. 315 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,239 Speaker 2: Put your finger on it, bring it to mind. I 316 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 2: will release it. I'll trust you. 317 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: I think another thing, and it kind of goes with 318 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: what you said just about the Word of God is 319 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: I think this is why it's also so important that 320 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: we take time to memorize God's word, because I know 321 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: for me, whenever I've been in seasons of waiting or 322 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: in seasons where it's felt like delay and I'm like, God, 323 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: do you even hear me? Are you even doing anything? 324 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: And it can be so easy to allow those uninvited 325 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: guests in to kind of invite them in. In a way, 326 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: memorizing scripture has allowed me to actually take those thoughts captive, 327 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: to be able to idea identify in those moments whenever 328 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: I am sinking into a place that isn't where God 329 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: wants me, and it makes me think of was it 330 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: Philippians Chapter four, verse eight, where it's you know, we 331 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: need to test these things. Are these things true? The 332 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: thoughts that we're dwelling on. Are they true? Are they noble? 333 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: Are they pure? Are they just? There's a whole list, 334 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: And I know for me that's been able to help 335 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: me in my seasons of waiting where I might be 336 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 1: filling in the gaps or inviting in these uninvited guests 337 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: where it's like, okay, is this even true? Like do 338 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: I even need to sit in this place of insecurity? 339 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: Knowing the truth is that my God is for me, 340 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: He is with me, He has a perfect plan, and 341 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: he works all things for good. It can immediately dismiss 342 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: the things that can cloud me or keep me stagnant 343 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: in waiting, because I think that there's even this misconception 344 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: that within the waiting it's just this stagnant place where 345 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: nothing gets done. But the truth is is that within 346 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: the waiting, I mean brought up David right, It's like 347 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: he was what anointed as a young boy, but was 348 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: appointed way later on in life, like when he was 349 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: in his thirties. I think about Jesus, right, he didn't 350 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: start his ministry until he was in his thirties as well. 351 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: I think about all these people in the Bible who 352 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: who even at young ages or even old ages, they 353 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: went through these seasons of waiting, but it wasn't without purpose. 354 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: It didn't mean that they were stagnant in doing nothing. 355 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: So what are some things that we can do within 356 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: our waiting because maybe we don't feel like we have 357 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: clear instruction yet from God of like, this is what 358 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: you need to do in your waiting before I bring 359 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: you to this place. What are some things that we 360 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: can proactively do today to not be stagnant in a 361 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,239 Speaker 1: season where it doesn't feel like it's as productive or 362 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: we've arrived to the place that we've been praying to 363 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: arrive at. 364 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: I think that the focus in weight, in the weight 365 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 2: is not to build high, but to dig deep. The 366 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: roots are so key for anything that is gonna stand 367 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: above ground. I think about like the trees in my neighborhood, 368 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: and there's six beautiful trees. We live in Miami. It's 369 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 2: the tropics. It's wonderful, but like the trees are not 370 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 2: perfectly symmetrical. 371 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: You know. 372 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 2: Sometimes there's a tree that goes all the trunk, the 373 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 2: trunk comes up and it curves all the way over 374 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 2: to the left, and you're going, well, goodness, why it 375 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 2: hasn't it fallen over? Like that's not balanced at all. 376 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 2: And a lot of people spend their life trying to 377 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: balance everything on the exterior. You know, I love to 378 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: organize my house, but you can become obsessive with that 379 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 2: where you're not focusing on what's happening on the interior 380 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: of your life. It's like that tree doesn't have to 381 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 2: be perfectly balanced from what you see. It has to 382 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,959 Speaker 2: have deep roots because balance doesn't come from the exterior. 383 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 2: Balance comes from the root. And it wouldn't matter how 384 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: perfectly balanced that tree was if it didn't have roots. 385 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 2: The first gust of wind's gonna blow that strong boy 386 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: right over, like it's just gonna go down, because the 387 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 2: roots are what bring balance. And so in a waiting season, 388 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: you want to become established as you learn God's word, 389 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 2: as you said, as you memorize God's word, hide his 390 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 2: word in your heart. Well, you're not just gonna eat 391 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 2: from that and drink from that during this season that 392 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: you're walking through. No God's word, it establishes you. So 393 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 2: what you gain as you seek him, as your roots 394 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 2: just get hungry and dig deep, You're gonna hold onto 395 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 2: that for the rest of your life. Like that's the 396 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 2: beautiful thing. The weight is never wasted. If anything, it's 397 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: preparation again and again and again and again for the 398 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: next step. I think about my son right now, he's 399 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: one and he's not walking yet, and a lot of 400 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 2: people are like, oh, he should walk any day, right 401 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: and because he's my four in no rash at all, 402 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 2: because we can get so focused on reaching benchmarks. But 403 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 2: what I've realized is everything leading up to it is 404 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 2: where the real health lies. You know, you can ask 405 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: different physical therapists. It's not about walking, it's about crawling. 406 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: Crawling is building all these different muscles that if you 407 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 2: just skip ahead and just want to walk, it's going 408 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 2: to cause repercussions in your life down the road. And 409 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: so as he crawls and just embraces that weight, he's 410 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 2: gonna walk, and he's gonna walk for the rest of 411 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 2: his life. That day is going to come. But right here, 412 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: right now, there's work to do, and so I just 413 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 2: think of the weight. What can you do? Oh, start 414 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: to get hungry, start to get hungry for the word 415 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: of God, hungry for community. Invest your time. Don't sit 416 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 2: on the wall at church, then watch everybody else participate 417 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 2: in community. Don't leave your Bible on your shelf. Now 418 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 2: open it up, learn for yourself. That's where the personal 419 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 2: relationship with God's arts, and that's where you really start 420 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: to become established in His word and in the knowledge 421 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 2: of who He is. 422 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: I love that. That's so good. I think that another 423 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: thing that you write about actually in the book that 424 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: I really really like it was in your section Eye 425 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: to Eye, was emphasizing that like, God is always near 426 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: in these seasons, in these places, even when he doesn't 427 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: give us what we want. Because like what you just said, 428 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: even the metaphor of walking, there's so many people that 429 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: are like, I just want to run, I want to sprint, 430 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: I want to run the race. And it's like, in 431 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: a way, we might be running the race in certain 432 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: avenues of our life. Maybe it's it's within our marriage, 433 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel like there's a lot of running 434 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: going on in our work right now because we just 435 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: got laid off or whatever that might be. But we 436 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: want to be running. And maybe this is just like 437 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: a Western culture thing where it's like everything's fast paced 438 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: all the time, and we want it now, we want 439 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: it instant, and we want it to go fast, and 440 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: we want it to go great and be perfect. But 441 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: that idea of even just like you need to learn 442 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: how to prop your head up, and then you need 443 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: to learn how to crawl, and then you need to 444 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: learn how to stand and then wobble and then walk, 445 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: Like it's this process. Yeah, but he doesn't always give 446 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: us what we want because we're not ready. And like 447 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: there's a grace to that, there's a grace to the 448 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: seasons of just slowness and learning. And I mean that 449 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: perfectly ties into the imagery of your book slow Burn, 450 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: that it can feel like this long, stretching, maybe even 451 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: pointless thing at times. I mean, I'm about to have 452 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: a baby, so I really know nothing. I'm about to 453 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: learn a million things where it's like okay, just the 454 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: daily tummy time, like we're just gonna do it for 455 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 1: two minutes today or three minutes right now or whatever. 456 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: But it's these little things and I'm gonna be with 457 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: her I'm gonna be with my daughter, helping her, training her, 458 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: growing her. I'm gonna be near her even in what 459 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: will seem like such a long season, because it's like 460 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: she can't run yet, she doesn't even have knee caps yet, 461 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: like her body still forming these things even outside the womb, 462 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: and some of us are still forming very formative things 463 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: that we need to be able to actually engage in 464 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: the space. Is that God is calling us too, maybe 465 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: not right now, but down the line. But to bring 466 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: it back to what I was gonna ask you from 467 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: your section eye to eye, I how can we because 468 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: you talk about discernment in that section, I believe, how 469 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: do we begin to discern, you know, God, what what 470 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: is it that I need in this season versus what 471 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: I want? Because a lot of us have these wants 472 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that's wrong, but how do we 473 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: discern what it is that we need versus what we want? 474 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: And how we approach that to the Lord? 475 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 2: I think the Holy Spirit is such a good teacher, 476 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 2: and sometimes we think that we have to pray in a, 477 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 2: you know, very professional way, but he's the helper and 478 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 2: sometimes it's as simple as just help. I need help, 479 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: and I think when I'm praying about, you know, I 480 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 2: try to be as straightforward and as practical as I 481 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: can because I want to be specific because my relationship 482 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 2: with God is intimate, and so whether you're praying for 483 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 2: your kids' school or you're praying for a relationship or whatever, 484 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, you can put it before God 485 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: and trust that he's not trying to trick you. Scriptures 486 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 2: very clear about that we have a good Father, and 487 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: so it's Lord, I want to please you in this 488 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 2: and don't know where my kids are supposed to go 489 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 2: to school, it's approaching, I'm looking. I'm doing everything that 490 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 2: I can. You know, waiting on God doesn't mean that 491 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 2: you sit and just don't do anything and expect God to, 492 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 2: you know, bring the person and walk him through your 493 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: you know, front door to your living room and bring 494 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 2: you the answer. You know, that's not waiting on God. 495 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: I'm doing everything I can. I'm growing, I'm stretching, but 496 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 2: I'm also trusting that your will is going to be 497 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 2: done because I belong to you, I'm yours, and so 498 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: I think it's really key when you are when you're waiting, 499 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 2: that you just you pray prayers that are very specific, 500 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 2: and you watch as God answers your prayers, and when 501 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 2: he doesn't do it in your timing, which he probably 502 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 2: won't a lot of times, God answer his prayers at 503 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: the last minute. I'll never forget even like when you 504 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 2: don't get a clear answer, you're going to make a 505 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 2: decision to the best of your ability and make it 506 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: with confidence. I remember when my sister was going to college. 507 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 2: Now she can decide between these two universities. And finally 508 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 2: my dad said, hey, you know what, like you're not 509 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 2: going to choose one university and God's going to go 510 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 2: to the other. Like you've put this before God, we 511 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 2: can trust that we're going to make a decision and 512 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 2: He's with you, that he's waiting for you there, that 513 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 2: He's prepared this path, and so you have to walk. 514 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 2: You have to know who God is. That's why scripture 515 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 2: is so key. To know the character of God and 516 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 2: to know that he so explicitly says, hey, ask me, 517 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 2: and don't doubt that I'm going to give. 518 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: You the cert understanding because I'm going to give it 519 00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: to you. 520 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: And hey, hey, don't think that I'm trying to trick you, 521 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 2: like I'm a good father you don't ask for one 522 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 2: thing and I give you another that as you ask 523 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 2: for his will. The steps of a righteous man, the 524 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 2: steps of a good man, they are ordered of God. 525 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 2: And so step by step he may not show you 526 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 2: the five year plan. He'll show you step by step. 527 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: And so asking how do I do it? Step by step, 528 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 2: bite by bite, it's just that name. 529 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: Trust. Yeah, it's like we want, like you said, we 530 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: want the five year plan. We want the instant result. 531 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: We want the person to walk through the door and 532 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: be like, here's a telegram from God of exactly what 533 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: you need to do. I mean, I'd like that some days. 534 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: But as you were saying, you actually just reminded me 535 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: of something I haven't written in my Bible here actually 536 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: on like right behind the cover of it, something that 537 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: my mom said to me, and I won't pull it 538 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: up because it was like a long thing. But basically 539 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: this idea of you know, we often ask God for things, 540 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: like we bring him our wants and our wishes and 541 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: our desires, but how often do we actually ask him 542 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: like what do I need in this season? And I 543 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: think our wants can reveal what it is we actually need, 544 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: Like God, I want the answer I want you to 545 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: make the clear to me which school do I need 546 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: to go to. But it's like, maybe what you need 547 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: in this season is wisdom and to ask God for 548 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: wisdom which he's which he so freely gives to us 549 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: and he wants to give to us. And it's like 550 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: I think that we can take a step back and 551 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: bring our request to God, but there can be a 552 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: new angle to it where it's like, Okay, God, yeah, 553 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: these are the things that I want, But but what 554 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: do I actually need? And what do you freely and 555 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: so desperately want to give me that I have just 556 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: maybe closed my hands to receive because it's like this 557 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: is what I'm expecting, But what he wants to give 558 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: us is the better thing to navigate the season, to 559 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: grow in intimacy with him, to have a more solidified identity, 560 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: like you were talking about all of those things. More 561 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: so you saying that reminded me of a conversation my 562 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: mom and I had a while back that I wrote 563 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: that down was like, Hey, pray for wisdom, Like whatever 564 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: it is that you want, ask for that, because I 565 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: think that's that's a key thing to discernment, is that 566 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: discernment is Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna trust 567 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,479 Speaker 1: that God is going to lead me in this, in 568 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: this decision, but I'm also going to actively apply the 569 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: wisdom in my life that He has given me through 570 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: His word, through experience, through Wise's counsel, through through the 571 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: patterns of God, even applying that to my life. Because 572 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: that was in a similar situation to your sister where 573 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: I had to make a decision. I was like, God, 574 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: what do you want to doubt? And he was like, 575 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: I trust you. I trust you. I'm gonna be with 576 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: you either way, So make a decision and I will 577 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: be with you. And It's like, wow, that brought so 578 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: much freedom to me and I didn't even realize it. 579 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was like pressure. I was just gonna say, 580 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 2: we feel that pressure even at age, you know, depending 581 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 2: on your personality. And I have one son who just 582 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,239 Speaker 2: he stresses out over whether he should, you know, with 583 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 2: me in church or go to kids, and he loves 584 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 2: both and way, and it can make it emotional sometimes 585 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 2: and I can, I can. I can relate to that 586 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 2: that even down as a young child, you just feel 587 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 2: the pressure every decision. God doesn't want us to live 588 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 2: like that, and it is. And every time we feel 589 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 2: that pressure, it's an invitation what to cast our cares 590 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 2: on him. He's here, he's with us, he's involved. 591 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: I love that. That was me as a kid. We're like, 592 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: there's so many things do I say with at the 593 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: lunch table today? It's like I can say with the 594 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: other person tomorrow we're gonna be fine. But God cares 595 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: about those things, even like the juvenile things that those 596 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: that are just rolling around in our head keeping us 597 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: up at night, where maybe to other people it's like, 598 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: why are you putting so much stress and pressure on 599 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: these decisions? And it's like, because they matter to me, 600 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: They actually care, and you know what, they mattered to 601 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: the Lord too, Like God actually cares about the things 602 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: that you might dismiss or other people might dismiss. But 603 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: that is this invitation to Okay, God, what you want 604 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: me to do with this? Then where's the wisdom? Where's 605 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: the discernment? Is there a decision? Is there a clear choice? 606 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: And we can invite him into that in our waiting 607 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: and we don't have to, and it's important to invite 608 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: him in because we also don't want to prolong a 609 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,239 Speaker 1: place that he is asking us to step out of 610 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: whether that be because of fear of what other people 611 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: will think, whether that is because you know we've weighed 612 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: both options and it just doesn't make sense. I mean, 613 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: there's a whole list of things. Yeah, But as we close, 614 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: are there any final things or thoughts that you want 615 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: to share? Because I know that you dive into so 616 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: many different things within the book, and I just want 617 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: to give you that space that if you have a 618 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: final encouragement or if it's like, oh, I also talk 619 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: about this in here, and I want to make sure 620 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: that the listeners know this this point or this part, 621 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: or I wanted to get to say this thing and 622 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: I didn't yet. I just want to give you the 623 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: floor before we close. 624 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 2: Well, there's a verse that my parents gave to me 625 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 2: when I was born, and it's Isaiah forty, chapter forty, 626 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 2: verse thirty one, and he just says they that wait 627 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 2: on the Lord, they will renew their strength. They'll mount 628 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 2: with wings like eagles. They'll run and not grow weary, 629 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: they'll walk and not faint. And I just never dreamed 630 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 2: when they gave me that verse that that would be 631 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 2: a verse that truly has become my life. First you know, 632 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 2: discovering that I am to live a life of waiting 633 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 2: on the Lord. It's not just something to get me 634 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,719 Speaker 2: through a season. No, it's not a shortcut. It is life, 635 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 2: you know. I think about the child that you're gonna have, 636 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 2: and yes, there will be so many milestones physically that 637 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 2: this child has, but the most important part of your 638 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 2: child's development is gonna be that connection. You know, the 639 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 2: child can grow physically, but without that connection to the mother, 640 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: to the father, there's a supernatural transaction and connection that 641 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 2: takes place from the first time that you both lock eyes, 642 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 2: and we can be so focused on the physical that 643 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 2: is gonna face you know, like I'm gonna come to 644 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,959 Speaker 2: a point where I breathe my last breath. But the 645 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 2: connection and the moments that I've spent seeking God, that 646 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 2: I've invited Him in, that those are eternal, and those 647 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 2: create the greatest growth in me that will never be lost, 648 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 2: It'll never fade. And so focusing on not just moments, 649 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 2: but like the meaning of moments, I think it awakens 650 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 2: you in the way that, oh, there's something so supernatural 651 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: about locking eyes with you God. There's something so supernactual 652 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 2: about knowing that I'm in good hands that I'm held 653 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 2: by you. There's something so supernatural about asking you to 654 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 2: lead me, asking you to provide reading your word. All 655 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 2: of this is our connections that are eternal. And so 656 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 2: when you wait on the Lord, you're gonna renew your 657 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 2: strength and you are gonna mount up with wings like eagles. 658 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 2: You're gonna get a perspective that's higher. That's the ways 659 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 2: of God are higher, His thoughts are high. But you're 660 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 2: also going to get a supernatural strength to run your race, 661 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 2: because it won't be just based on your own physical strength. 662 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 2: It'll be based on your connection to the source. The 663 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 2: source like capital t s the source all that's what 664 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 2: you're connected to when you wait on God. It's worth it. 665 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 1: That's so good. I love that He literally is our sustenance. 666 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: He is the bread of life, he is living water 667 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: is he is the breath of God. I'm like, those 668 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: are the three things that we need to survive, just 669 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: at like a human primal level. And yet that is 670 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: who he is equated with in scripture. How much more 671 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: do we need him literally as our sustenance, as our source? 672 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: Couple coupless, like you said, thank you so much for 673 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: taking time to be on here today. Your book. It's 674 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: been out for a while, but I still want people 675 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: to know where they can grab it. 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I love this combo. 688 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 2: I appreciate you me too. 689 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: Thank you for taking time to be on here, and 690 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: to everyone listening or watching, if you're watching on YouTube 691 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: or however you consume this podcast, thank you for just 692 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: giving us your time today. And I pray that whatever 693 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: season you are in, whatever you are waiting for, waiting on, 694 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: waiting to be delivered from whatever waiting looks like for 695 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: you today, do not be discouraged. God really is with 696 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: you work all things for good, and maybe through our 697 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: conversation today, there are some questions that you can approach 698 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: God with with boldness, with expectation, but also without expectation 699 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: of giving God the grace and space to move in 700 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: your life the way that He's wanting to move in 701 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: your life. So I'm excited to hear the testimonies that 702 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: come from this episode. And if you have one, or 703 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: if you just have a question and you're like Kirby, 704 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: can you make an episode on this, you can email 705 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: me at bought and Beloved at gmail dot com. 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