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Speaker 3: All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's the
Speaker 3: last show before Christmas. I'm your host for today, Andrew Colvett,
Speaker 3: joined by Blake nef who's in the studio.
Speaker 5: What are you wearing, Andrew?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm wearing the dude buds. Yes, yes, Jack, you
Speaker 3: got a sweater on. Blake, you do not have a
Speaker 3: sweater on, because I forgot to tell you that I
Speaker 3: was wearing my ugly Christmas sweater today.
Speaker 5: I don't think I even own a sweater. I live
Speaker 5: in Phoenix.
Speaker 4: Blake, you literally didn't get the Christmas water memo. I
Speaker 4: don't understand what's going on here.
Speaker 3: No, No, this is gonna pick it at a larger
Speaker 3: scab about Andrew's terrible communication internally. So it was just
Speaker 3: it was just a vibe that I felt this morning.
Speaker 3: You know, my kids were all like still in their
Speaker 3: jammies their Christmas Jammy is they call?
Speaker 4: So you are you wearing pajama at the bottoms right now?
Speaker 4: Don't tell us?
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm wearing jeans. I'm wearing jeans, thankfu. Although
Speaker 3: Charlie two lies truth, Charlie Blake can attest. Charlie used
Speaker 3: to always come into the studio with the He would
Speaker 3: have you know, business on the top and then shorts
Speaker 3: on the bottom. Yeah, basketball shorts. Yeah, that and the
Speaker 3: long socks because they were good for circulation.
Speaker 4: For the circulation, yeah, there, the vascular vascular socks.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 6: I wore those socks on because he advertises so much.
Speaker 5: I wore them.
Speaker 6: I think when I had to fly to Korea. It
Speaker 6: was like a fifteen hour flight, and I wore them.
Speaker 6: And I think I was about nine hours in and
Speaker 6: I just said, I can't take this anymore and I
Speaker 6: rolled back.
Speaker 3: That's good for airplanes, though, no, it is. It's good
Speaker 3: for airplanes. Listen. So we've got a jam packed show.
Speaker 3: We figured let's just throw the kitchen sink at it
Speaker 3: today and we're gonna have a lot of guests. So
Speaker 3: we've start off with Jack Basoba, Coast of Human Events Dale.
Speaker 3: We're gonna talk Epstein because with all the craziness around
Speaker 3: Amfest and just kind of processing Amfest in our straw poll,
Speaker 3: we have not I mean I personally, I have not
Speaker 3: had a chance to really dive in. So Jack's gonna
Speaker 3: be our expert on that and kind of give us
Speaker 3: the updates on that. I saw that there's a third
Speaker 3: tranch of files from the DOJ following the passage of
Speaker 3: that law. Then we're gonna have Sean Davis. He's gonna
Speaker 3: talk about the family business that was on full display
Speaker 3: at Amfest. And then we've got Steven Moore who's going
Speaker 3: to talk about economics and the great GDP news that
Speaker 3: came out this morning. And then we're gonna finish with
Speaker 3: Bata Ungar Sargon. She's now a News Nation anchor and
Speaker 3: I'm going to try and convince her that Jade Vance
Speaker 3: is the man, and she's got her skepticism. So we're
Speaker 3: going to talk through that. So Jack, without further ado,
Speaker 3: just thirty thousand foot view for us, what's going on
Speaker 3: with Epstein? How do we get here? What have we learned?
Speaker 4: Okay, So this is the response to that legislation that
Speaker 4: was by the House a while back. It was a
Speaker 4: bipartisan piece of legislation regarding the Epstein files, which some
Speaker 4: of us, like myself, have been calling for since day
Speaker 4: one of President Trump returning to the White House. And
Speaker 4: what we've got now are actual files coming out. Now,
Speaker 4: what we have today, this is there. So there were
Speaker 4: files released during Amfest because of course, it couldn't be
Speaker 4: a turning point event without Epstein files getting released. Separately,
Speaker 4: and then now we've got more Epstein files that are
Speaker 4: being released as part of this trunch. And I believe
Speaker 4: that one of the things that's going on right now
Speaker 4: is that a lot of these files that are coming out,
Speaker 4: these are investigative files. These are things that came up
Speaker 4: as evidence. And there are a lot of redactions in these,
Speaker 4: some of which were told are redactions for victims on
Speaker 4: personal information that people don't want out for those who
Speaker 4: aren't being accused of a crime, or people who are,
Speaker 4: like I said, the victims of Epstein and of his network,
Speaker 4: and potentially even under depending on who it is. Obviously
Speaker 4: we can't tell in many of these cases. But there
Speaker 4: are so many more files that are coming out, and
Speaker 4: also that people are saying. There have been back and
Speaker 4: forth of the DJ. They said, wait a minute, you've
Speaker 4: put some stuff out, then you put out other stuff
Speaker 4: and redacted. So there are people even respect this is
Speaker 4: a very live situation where people are responding to the
Speaker 4: DOJ release legally and saying, hey, I want that redacted,
Speaker 4: Hey I want that redacted. So that being said, what
Speaker 4: we do actually have, I'm just going to say it,
Speaker 4: these photos that are released are absolutely disgusting. They make
Speaker 4: me sick to my stomach looking at some of these.
Speaker 4: I talked about this on Newsmachs last night that when
Speaker 4: there were people, there have been a lot of people.
Speaker 4: So there's been this narrative that like, Okay, Epstein maybe
Speaker 4: wasn't involved in like really bad stuff, and maybe it's
Speaker 4: all just overblown. No, No, it's actually disgusting, and there's
Speaker 4: a lot of photos. It just has to be said truthfully.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of photos of him with Bill Clinton,
Speaker 4: Bill Clinton in a hot tub, Him and Bill Clinton
Speaker 4: on planes, Him and Bill Clinton wearing you know, matching
Speaker 4: matching shirts of some kind at like some kind of party.
Speaker 4: So again, what you're not finding are images of Donald
Speaker 4: Trump in a hot tub. And so the Democrats are
Speaker 4: sitting there going like, wait, what's you know, what's what's happening,
Speaker 4: because we were told Trump would be the one in there.
Speaker 4: And yes, there were some time there were some instances
Speaker 4: where they said, okay, we found some records of Trump
Speaker 4: flying on the plane. But what was interesting is, of
Speaker 4: course not only did they still not find Trump find
Speaker 4: just be truthful, they did not find Trump flying to
Speaker 4: the island, but Trump was also flying on the plane
Speaker 4: with his family, so like with his wife and children.
Speaker 4: So again like not a situation where we're hopefully anything
Speaker 4: on tour.
Speaker 3: Those were those were mostly in the nineties, right Jack,
Speaker 3: So oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, this is way way, way, like we're talking
Speaker 4: thirty thirty, forty years ago in some instances, so where
Speaker 4: it's like just or thirty years ago, so instances where
Speaker 4: long before any of these, any of his crimes had
Speaker 4: come to life, long before I mean know the rest
Speaker 4: of the story. We've been over it so many times,
Speaker 4: where he was evicted from mar A Lago for his behavior,
Speaker 4: and then Trump actually goes to the lawyers of the
Speaker 4: victims to say, how can I help you to put
Speaker 4: this guy away? Because he's a bad guy. And what
Speaker 4: we're seeing again over and over are pictures of him
Speaker 4: of Epstein, as well as some emails with Prince or
Speaker 4: i should say former Prince Andrew. A fake passport is
Speaker 4: something that just came out, which is something that's really interesting.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is happening all live. It was an
Speaker 4: Austrian passport, talked about businesses in West Africa and Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 4: I mean really just a lot of just a lot
Speaker 4: of random things that are coming out like crazy.
Speaker 3: Right now, let's go ahead and get President Trump was
Speaker 3: asked about this. Let's play one ninety one.
Speaker 7: I know there are a lot of people that are
Speaker 7: angry about all of the pictures of other people, you know,
Speaker 7: but I think it's sterile. Look, no, I don't like
Speaker 7: the pictures of Bill Clinton being shown. I don't like
Speaker 7: the pictures of other people being shown. I think it's
Speaker 7: a terrible thing. I think Bill Lyndon's a big boy,
Speaker 7: he can handle it.
Speaker 8: But you probably have pictures being exposed of other people
Speaker 8: that innocently met Jeffrey Epstein years ago, many years ago,
Speaker 8: and they're you know, highly respected bankers and lawyers and others,
Speaker 8: and they'll end up because of guys like Massiew's a
Speaker 8: real low life. What this whole thing is with Epstein
Speaker 8: is a way of trying to deflect from the tremendous
Speaker 8: success that the Republican Party has.
Speaker 3: You know, this feels pretty consistent with Trump's original kind
Speaker 3: of objection to this, you know, and we have to
Speaker 3: remember that if they had something on Trump, it would
Speaker 3: have been weaponized by the Biden administration, you know, ten
Speaker 3: times over. So or this does.
Speaker 5: Turn that around. Yeah, if they have something on Clinton.
Speaker 6: I feel like the Trump admin would probably want to
Speaker 6: He has a big, pretty big beef with the Clintons.
Speaker 3: I'm well, actually Trump Trump is saying, listen, I've always
Speaker 3: gotten along with Bill. He's been good to me. I've
Speaker 3: been good to him. I actually don't kind of getting
Speaker 3: inside the psyche of President Trump, I actually don't think
Speaker 3: he has like a bone to pick with Bill Clinton
Speaker 3: per se. Maybe Hillary more so, but yeah, I think
Speaker 3: Trump Trump knows a lot of these guys, kind of
Speaker 3: knows the situation that some of the innocent ones are
Speaker 3: put in. It just feels like he's being consistent. But
Speaker 3: you know, the admin was pressured, you know, he takes
Speaker 3: a shot at Thomas Massey right there to be more transparent.
Speaker 3: So he's doing He's doing what he's got to do politically.
Speaker 3: But I think he actually seems to be fairly disgusted
Speaker 3: with the fact that one of the act here.
Speaker 4: Well, one thing I was to mention is there is
Speaker 4: a very strange letter to Larry Nasser. Larry Nasser, who
Speaker 4: we know also went to prison and is in prison
Speaker 4: for these same type of crimes, that Epstein wrote a
Speaker 4: letter to him saying as you know by now I
Speaker 4: have taken the short route home. Good luck. We shared
Speaker 4: one thing, our love and caring for young ladies and
Speaker 4: the hope they'd reach their full potential. And then he
Speaker 4: also he makes a Lewde reference to Trump, and then
Speaker 4: he writes life is unfair.
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Speaker 3: Blake Nef is threatening to upset everybody in the audience.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we're ready for that yet, but
Speaker 3: why don't we just start here? Let's go one ninety nine.
Speaker 3: This is Joe Scarborough on his reaction to the Epstein files.
Speaker 9: One of the great mysteries to me and a lot
Speaker 9: of other people is we've had reporting for some time
Speaker 9: Donald Trump is not on Epstein's list. There's nothing in
Speaker 9: there that's really damning about Donald Trump. And as Susie
Speaker 9: Wilde says, not damning about Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Are Bill Clinton.
Speaker 9: So one of the great mysteries all along in this
Speaker 9: not been like, what's Donald Trump hiding?
Speaker 1: What did he do?
Speaker 5: Da da da da say?
Speaker 9: Why if he's not in these files, which all the
Speaker 9: reporting says he's not Why is he so obsessed on
Speaker 9: blocking access to the files? Is he trying to protect somebody?
Speaker 3: So I mean, what do you think.
Speaker 6: I guess what I would say is I feel like
Speaker 6: that's actually the case for a lot of the people
Speaker 6: in this I'm seeing the stuff that's going viral, and
Speaker 6: what a lot of this is.
Speaker 5: It's photographs of people.
Speaker 6: Hanging out and then they black out the faces and
Speaker 6: that's used to create the implication there's a super savage,
Speaker 6: sinister crime. But what you will basically just have is
Speaker 6: you have Bill Clinton getting photos with people, you have
Speaker 6: Bill Gates getting photos with people, you have people having
Speaker 6: photos with Epstein. And I think it gets back to
Speaker 6: what President Trump said, which I think is reasonable. He's
Speaker 6: pointed out a lot of people met Epstein. He was
Speaker 6: a huge socialite. And when you just release a giant
Speaker 6: pile of photographs you can of someone who's become an
Speaker 6: infamous figure, you basically tar everyone by association. And I
Speaker 6: guess I would caution everyone to take a step back
Speaker 6: and think, what do we really have proof of what
Speaker 6: has actually been litigated in court? Because, for example, a
Speaker 6: lot of these cases when they have gone to court,
Speaker 6: people have either they've gone to court, like Alan Dershowitz
Speaker 6: was able to sue Virginia Guffrey and she had to
Speaker 6: admit she just was lying about him. Or we have
Speaker 6: cases where a lot of this has been a funny
Speaker 6: pattern that's been going on throughout the case this year,
Speaker 6: where a lot of the victims have just been saying
Speaker 6: they've been saying, release the names, release the names, but
Speaker 6: they won't name names themselves. And I think a justifiable
Speaker 6: reason for skepticism there is they don't want to name
Speaker 6: names themselves because they actually don't have evidence, and they're
Speaker 6: basically worried about getting sued for defamation, and they wanted
Speaker 6: others to do the work for them to justify allegations
Speaker 6: that they could kind of get away with making without
Speaker 6: being as facing as much risk of actual defamation.
Speaker 5: It just the whole thing feels very off to me.
Speaker 3: Jack, you're kind of a contrarian voice in this space
Speaker 3: a little bit as well. I mean, I mean, where
Speaker 3: would you put yourself on the spectrum of Like he
Speaker 3: was this mastermind international pedophile ring leader with compromide on
Speaker 3: the world's leaders versus he was just kind of like
Speaker 3: a kinky, gross, disgusting like sex you know, pass that
Speaker 3: was connected to a few international leaders. Maybe he was
Speaker 3: working with the CIA, Masad whatever where. Like, there's so
Speaker 3: many options of what the truth is here, it's hard
Speaker 3: to make sense of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I see what the DOJ is putting out,
Speaker 4: but I also watch Mike Ben's and all the stuff
Speaker 4: that he's putting out as well. He's very well documented
Speaker 4: these links between Epstein and intelligence. He talks about his
Speaker 4: connections to Iran Contra, his connections to ad Non Koshogi,
Speaker 4: the money that was being runner around. Yes, that's right,
Speaker 4: the father of Jamal Koshogi, and so's it's really interesting
Speaker 4: when you look at some of this stuff and the
Speaker 4: networks that he was in, and then certainly there are
Speaker 4: questions on who was running who was he an asset?
Speaker 4: Was he an operative? But I really do think that
Speaker 4: there's a lot more to this than I think than
Speaker 4: meets the eye. But when it comes to what Blake
Speaker 4: is saying, I can appreciate what Blake saying because when
Speaker 4: you go to court, you absolutely need evidence and you
Speaker 4: need to be able to stand these things up on evidence.
Speaker 4: So what I would also say, though, is if the
Speaker 4: DJ has this evidence, then we should put it out
Speaker 4: or at least make it available to any of the
Speaker 4: victims should they want to sue. And I believe that
Speaker 4: a number of the victims are getting restitution from the
Speaker 4: Estate of Epstein, and I think they deserve that. But
Speaker 4: if there are people out there, like former Prince Andrew
Speaker 4: or others who are involved in crimes, then absolutely you
Speaker 4: have to use the evidence. Like that's the whole point.
Speaker 4: We have the government. This whole point, we have the
Speaker 4: Department of Justice. You investigate the crimes. You don't make
Speaker 4: the victim have to investigate themselves, right, that's the point.
Speaker 4: That's why we have the government.
Speaker 3: Jack, one more question here before we got to go,
Speaker 3: what do you make of this video that was circulating
Speaker 3: around Yesda it seemed to show and the timestamp lined
Speaker 3: up with his suicide or murder. However you want to
Speaker 3: look at it, whether it showed him potentially committing suicide
Speaker 3: that you checked into that, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that ended up being a recreation that
Speaker 4: was not an actual video. That was something that possibly
Speaker 4: was done as a recreation, CGI kind of thing to say,
Speaker 4: you know, if he did it, here's a way he
Speaker 4: possibly anatomically could have done it. Possibly something they were
Speaker 4: looking at during the autopsy. Different things like that can
Speaker 4: be created when you're ongoing.
Speaker 3: Because it was but I think it was in the
Speaker 3: DJ file. It was in the you could actually access
Speaker 3: it online. It was very interesting. Yeah, I guess it
Speaker 3: was a recreation. Jack Mesobic, thanks for walking us through that.
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Speaker 3: without further ado, We're going to talk some family business
Speaker 3: with Sean Davis. He is the right guy to do
Speaker 3: it because you know, there's a lot of Johnny Come Lately's,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of there's a lot of new blood
Speaker 3: in the movement, and that's a good thing. But sometimes
Speaker 3: they don't know how the They don't know how the
Speaker 3: sausage is made. They don't know how the coalition came
Speaker 3: together in the first point in the first part. So
Speaker 3: Sean Davis from the Federalists, one of the good guys
Speaker 3: out there. Man, does he know how to tweak the left? Sean,
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me Merry Christmas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I tried to get you to go to Amfest,
Speaker 3: but you were adamant that you had other plans. It's
Speaker 3: not for me to divulge what you were doing instead
Speaker 3: of coming to Amfest. But I wanted to get you.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to go there, it's fine
Speaker 3: with It's fine with me. But something to do with
Speaker 3: Bambie I don't know. But if if you were on
Speaker 3: the outside looking in and Amfest, you got to see
Speaker 3: all the reactions to it, the reactions of the speeches,
Speaker 3: to the disagreements, all of these things I want. I
Speaker 3: wanted your help to make sense of it. Sean, what
Speaker 3: what do you make of the reactions? But the good
Speaker 3: and the bad?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I was up in a tree stand hunting, not Bamby,
Speaker 10: but Bambi's dad last week, which was awesome, got him.
Speaker 3: Good. I saw the fruits of your labor, and I'm impressed.
Speaker 3: I'm impressed.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be delicious.
Speaker 10: I got to tell you what I've always loved about Amfest.
Speaker 10: I love the energy. I love the number of people
Speaker 10: you can get in there. Just like the logistical feat
Speaker 10: of pulling something like that off, let alone in a
Speaker 10: year like this really blows my mind.
Speaker 1: But the thing that I have.
Speaker 10: Always loved about it, about Charlie in particular and kind
Speaker 10: of the whole TPUSA vibe, is how ecumenical it is.
Speaker 10: He will have or had people all the time where
Speaker 10: I was like, Yeah, I don't really like that guy,
Speaker 10: and then there'd.
Speaker 1: Be people who would be like, oh, yeah, that guy's awesome.
Speaker 10: And I think that's kind of what makes the movement great,
Speaker 10: is that we don't have to always agree on everything
Speaker 10: all the time for the same reasons, and so I
Speaker 10: like having the people up there who can disagree, who
Speaker 10: can do it respectfully, because the whole point here is
Speaker 10: to build a coalition and that can win elections and
Speaker 10: then do what needs to be done to save our country.
Speaker 10: So that's what I loved about AMPS this year in particular,
Speaker 10: after everything that's happened, is it would have been easy
Speaker 10: to just retreat in on yourself and become very kind
Speaker 10: of self referential and self focused, and instead the focus
Speaker 10: state on the country and the movement and everyone who's
Speaker 10: within it, even the people I don't agree with all
Speaker 10: the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well said I mean, and Blake, I want to
Speaker 3: bring you in for this as well. I mean, there
Speaker 3: just seems to be though this there's a rising tide
Speaker 3: of voices that are calling for denouncing certain voice to
Speaker 3: other people that they want to see the disavow very publicly.
Speaker 3: They want to see. You know, it just seems like
Speaker 3: we hadn't been in that that posture, you hadn't heard
Speaker 3: as much of that tone, and all of a sudden
Speaker 3: there's there's a lot of voices saying we got to
Speaker 3: disavow this, we gotta say this, we gotta we gotta
Speaker 3: block this, and I think a lot of it is
Speaker 3: a proxy war with JD ahead of twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 3: But I leave it to you guys, Blake, you first,
Speaker 3: what do you make of this this? I mean, because
Speaker 3: you you have a you have a little bit of
Speaker 3: sympathy I think for that as well. But you're you're
Speaker 3: much more reserve, reserved and restrained.
Speaker 5: Well, I think I think you want to you have
Speaker 5: to divorce.
Speaker 6: I think demands that you disavow, that you exclude someone aggressively.
Speaker 5: I we know how.
Speaker 6: Charlie had a lot of resistance to that, understandably, so
Speaker 6: he hated what he called moral blackmail.
Speaker 5: That was the line he used uh, But I.
Speaker 6: Don't think we saw too much of that. I think
Speaker 6: we saw a lot of people trying to characterize it
Speaker 6: that way. But I think what we saw was you
Speaker 6: saw an aggressive posture about how what we should be
Speaker 6: talking about, what we should care about most, uh, what
Speaker 6: is good or bad behavior? I think, I know, let's
Speaker 6: just stay the elephant in the room. A lot of
Speaker 6: people are reacting specifically to what Ben Shapiro said immediately
Speaker 6: after Erica spoke, and I don't think Ben was saying
Speaker 6: we need to aggressively cancel people. I think he was
Speaker 6: saying he was disappointed in how a lot of people had.
Speaker 5: Handled certain topics.
Speaker 6: And I think in response to that, many people said, oh,
Speaker 6: he's trying to cancel us. I think Ben was going
Speaker 6: about it in the way Ben does. Ben is a
Speaker 6: very blunt guy. He's going to say exactly what he
Speaker 6: means and exactly what he's angry about. And I think
Speaker 6: that's going to some people are going to really like that.
Speaker 6: Some people are going to find it really irritating, and
Speaker 6: that's just that's part of his brand. That's been his
Speaker 6: brand for a decade. But I think on the ground,
Speaker 6: among attendees, we saw a lot of people who frankly,
Speaker 6: they enjoyed what Ben said and what Megan said, what
Speaker 6: Tucker said, And I think that's really how a lot
Speaker 6: of the bass feels.
Speaker 5: I think the people who are getting angry enough to.
Speaker 6: Boot others out are kind of a pretty small slice
Speaker 6: of the coalition overall.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're loud online though, right, Sean. I mean
Speaker 3: that's why I wanted to get your perspective in because
Speaker 3: to Blake's point, there was there was people in the
Speaker 3: audience that like, what what are we fighting about? That?
Speaker 3: People had no idea like that. There was that there
Speaker 3: was like a you know, a kind of a family
Speaker 3: business fight happening, right uh. And then you had people
Speaker 3: that were like, we we actually did a show hands
Speaker 3: and our members podcast room, and we said who likes
Speaker 3: Ben's approach? And about half the hands went up? And
Speaker 3: then we're like, who likes Tucker's approach? About half the
Speaker 3: hands went up. So it was like it was a
Speaker 3: very mixed crowd, a very mixed reception to that. And
Speaker 3: to Blake's point, I didn't hear Ben saying we need
Speaker 3: to cancel people. Ben was just saying, you know, here
Speaker 3: here are my lines, here are my lines in the sand,
Speaker 3: you know, take him or leave him. And you know
Speaker 3: he wasn't calling us to cancel people either. He was
Speaker 3: just sort of festivus for the rest of us. He
Speaker 3: was airing his grievances in a public place, and you
Speaker 3: know that was his Yeah, we don't, we don't. We
Speaker 3: don't tell anybody what to say actually at these things.
Speaker 3: So you from the outside, but there is this loud
Speaker 3: contingent on x and other forums that are saying it's
Speaker 3: time to sort of excommunicate this or that or this
Speaker 3: person or that person.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I mean that's to be expected online. This
Speaker 10: is politics, and politics is all about getting your way
Speaker 10: so that someone else who you disagree with can't get
Speaker 10: their way. So like that's it's just kind of part
Speaker 10: and parcel of how politics works.
Speaker 5: Again, what I have.
Speaker 10: Always liked is the ecumenicalism of TPOSA and the movement
Speaker 10: in general. And like my personal philosophy on this is,
Speaker 10: if you're within the movement, define it as loosely as
Speaker 10: you like. If you're putting points on the board, if
Speaker 10: you are bringing people to the table and you're moving
Speaker 10: the ball where we need to go, I'm good with you.
Speaker 10: Even if I might disagree with you on a whole
Speaker 10: bunch of stuff, and that goes for Tucker and Megan
Speaker 10: and you and Ben Shapiro and Nicki Minaj or anyone else.
Speaker 10: If you were rowing with us and you're not actively
Speaker 10: trying to hurt the movement and hurt the country, there's
Speaker 10: a there's there's a lot that I can tolerate of disagreement,
Speaker 10: and so I think it's good to have that. And
Speaker 10: the other thing to recognize is we're never going to
Speaker 10: agree with everyone all the time. I don't agree with
Speaker 10: my wife on everything all the time. I don't agree
Speaker 10: with my kids on everything all the time. I have
Speaker 10: debates in my own head with myself on issues back
Speaker 10: and forth. So like it's hard to get full agreement
Speaker 10: with people you know and love and care about a
Speaker 10: trillion percent, imagine how much more difficult it is going
Speaker 10: to be to agree with everyone all the time, people
Speaker 10: who you don't know, with different backgrounds and different priorities.
Speaker 10: And then you talk about kind of like the online nature,
Speaker 10: and there really.
Speaker 1: Is such a big divide.
Speaker 10: If you live your entire life on the internet with
Speaker 10: the screen in front of you, you are going to
Speaker 10: have a very different perspective of where the country is
Speaker 10: than if you don't do that. And it obviously, you know,
Speaker 10: Twitter or x isn't real life, but it can be
Speaker 10: reflective of it. So I don't want to dismiss the
Speaker 10: online debates because they're important and they do they do
Speaker 10: mean something and they represent real people. But it's important
Speaker 10: to be out there talking to normal people, talking to
Speaker 10: people who are not online, who are not political obsessives,
Speaker 10: because as much as it may pain people like us
Speaker 10: to hear we are political obsessives, most people are not
Speaker 10: like us.
Speaker 1: They don't look at.
Speaker 10: The world through the lens that we look through it.
Speaker 10: And so it's just great to have thirty thousand people,
Speaker 10: especially young people, who are forming their own worldview and
Speaker 10: their own opinions and getting their perspective, and when they
Speaker 10: are out there saying the people who were there, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 10: half of us liked it and half of us didn't.
Speaker 10: That seems to me like you've struck a pretty good
Speaker 10: balance on how to represent the whole of the movement.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think that's you're echoing so much
Speaker 3: of what Jad said in his speech. You know, I
Speaker 3: let's go ahead and play some sound from him. One
Speaker 3: twenty five, all of you, each and everyone.
Speaker 6: President Trump did not build the greatest coalition in politics
Speaker 6: by running.
Speaker 4: His supporters through endless, self.
Speaker 3: Defeating purity tests.
Speaker 10: He says, make a America great again, because every American
Speaker 10: is invited.
Speaker 3: We don't care if you're white or black, rich or poor,
Speaker 3: young or old. And he keeps going on, right he
Speaker 3: he He made this point a lot of times. And
Speaker 3: it's not that he didn't put boundaries in this speech.
Speaker 3: I mean he he basically he condemned anti semitism, He
Speaker 3: condemned racism, anti white racism, anti Asian racism, and lifted
Speaker 3: up merit merit, merit merit. So I sort of just
Speaker 3: wonder if people, you know, if they if he didn't
Speaker 3: straight up say I condemn Nick Fuentes in this speech.
Speaker 3: I wonder if anybody would have been like that crowd
Speaker 3: would have been happy. You know, he didn't have to
Speaker 3: say some people's names.
Speaker 5: Which he doesn't. Did condemn him by name the next day, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean because he came after his wife, right,
Speaker 3: So JD put a big line in the sand on
Speaker 3: that and that front. But like listen, I think the
Speaker 3: message was clear. I think ninety percent of people heard it,
Speaker 3: but I think there's a loud minority online that is
Speaker 3: just not going to be happy until you know everybody's
Speaker 3: getting like, you know, going full Ben Shapiro on taking
Speaker 3: a howitzer to everybody else in the movement. Yeah.
Speaker 10: So I think it's when people are doing that, they
Speaker 10: are pretending to be mad about mad at him about
Speaker 10: one thing, when they're actually mad about another thing. And
Speaker 10: with JD, foreign policy is the main thing. JD is
Speaker 10: not an interventionist, he's not a neocon. He's very much
Speaker 10: a realist and someone who having been involved in America's
Speaker 10: wars personally understands that, you know, we need to be
Speaker 10: a lot more circumspective about how we get in. And
Speaker 10: so when people go after him, it's really a proxy
Speaker 10: battle over foreign policy. And I think a lot of people, honestly,
Speaker 10: I wish they were just more honest about what the
Speaker 10: real issue is, rather than trying to pretend it's something else.
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Speaker 3: All right, we have some serious things to talk about
Speaker 3: right now. Blake and Sean. The question before you what
Speaker 3: is your favorite Christmas movie? And is die Hard a
Speaker 3: Christmas movie? The eternal debate.
Speaker 5: Let's Sean go first.
Speaker 10: So I for a nostalgia Steake, I love a Christmas story.
Speaker 10: My kids hate it. I love it. It's what I
Speaker 10: grew up watching. I will say no, die Hard is
Speaker 10: not a Christmas movie. And the thing that perplexes me
Speaker 10: to this day what do they do in having a
Speaker 10: work party on Christmas Eve?
Speaker 1: It's crazy, It's crazy.
Speaker 6: It was a Christmas party. It was their Christmas party
Speaker 6: for the office. But yeah, it was way too late.
Speaker 6: It is too late my favorite Christmas movie? First of all,
Speaker 6: say Diehard definitely not a Christmas movie. It came out
Speaker 6: in the summer. It's just a movie set during Christmas.
Speaker 6: That is not the same. And then I would say
Speaker 6: my favorite you know, you don't hear about it as much.
Speaker 6: I think I might fall back on on Home Alone.
Speaker 5: Home Alone is a really good movie.
Speaker 6: It's got really good Christmas themes, not just the funny stuff,
Speaker 6: the stuff with the man with his daughter, his a
Speaker 6: strange son. That stuff is really beautiful to watch as
Speaker 6: an adult. I didn't appreciate it as much as a kid.
Speaker 6: I really love that stuff.
Speaker 5: I should watch it again.
Speaker 3: This is Christmas. Oh, I have the dude abides Christmas sweater. Yes,
Speaker 3: that is the dude from Big Lebowski. You can judge
Speaker 3: me all you want, but the dude abides. Yes. Diehard
Speaker 3: is a Christmas movie. Yes, it was released in the summer,
Speaker 3: but it was a set on Christmas eve. Man, It's
Speaker 3: like it's perfectly situated. It lives eternally. This is why
Speaker 3: every Christmas it's on the Christmas watch lists streaming.
Speaker 6: No, this is like a gen x irony thing, like
Speaker 6: it's funny to go haha.
Speaker 5: It's set during Christmas.
Speaker 6: It's technically a Christmas movie, but it's just it is
Speaker 6: a movie set during Christmas. It doesn't have any Christmas
Speaker 6: themes about yes, damn.
Speaker 3: Come on reuniting with his wife. I mean they're like.
Speaker 6: Movie way like the lesson of Diehard is then like
Speaker 6: you can you can like get back with your wife
Speaker 6: by killing a bunch of terrorists.
Speaker 5: Not like that. Everyone knows that, you know, getting over
Speaker 5: your hang ups or something.
Speaker 3: You know it's oh my god. Well listen, I gotta
Speaker 3: take your shoes Blank for Studio agrees with me, and yeah,
Speaker 3: Posto's chiming into. He says, The Lion, the Witch and
Speaker 3: the Wardrobe is a Christmas movie.
Speaker 10: I gotta take your shoes on irony thing that that's
Speaker 10: a millennial affectation. Gen X doesn't do faux irony. That's
Speaker 10: very much a millennial thing effect.
Speaker 1: Well, how dare you think?
Speaker 3: Right here? So the but my favorite Christmas movie is
Speaker 3: absolutely It's a wonderful life and I love I love
Speaker 3: like the nineteen eighties what is it nineteen eighty three
Speaker 3: Christmas Carol or something. I forget what I forget. I
Speaker 3: just I know we have it on the the we
Speaker 3: bought it, so we watch it. I forget which one
Speaker 3: it is, but it was like the nineteen eighties one
Speaker 3: and my daughter actually loves it and she's seven, and
Speaker 3: it's so I like watching it with her. That's my
Speaker 3: whole plan. Everybody's like, what are you doing this Christmas?
Speaker 3: I'm watching Christmas movies. As soon as I'm done today,
Speaker 3: I'm clocking out, turning the phone off. We're doing hot
Speaker 3: cocoa and pajamas and we're watching Christmas movies. I plan
Speaker 3: to gain at least four pounds.
Speaker 6: Hot coco to insulate yourself from the cold sixty five
Speaker 6: degree wins of Santa Barbara.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, listen, I'm trying to I'm trying to stay warm.
Speaker 3: I will tell you so, Hey, Sean, let me know
Speaker 3: what you think here. So, I think a lot of
Speaker 3: these battles just sorry, I got to make it serious
Speaker 3: for the last three minutes we have here. A lot
Speaker 3: of these battles are just a proxy about foreign policy.
Speaker 3: Why is that issue in particular? Is it just because
Speaker 3: the military industrial complex? Is it because there's so much
Speaker 3: money involved? It's like, you know, people's tribalism on display.
Speaker 3: What what drives the foreign policy debate? When we have
Speaker 3: a whole country to govern? Why is that always such
Speaker 3: a big deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a good question. Obviously.
Speaker 10: I think the money involved is a big thing. You know,
Speaker 10: how many trillions of dollars did we spend in Iraq
Speaker 10: and Afghanistan? And then when those were finally wound down,
Speaker 10: it magically was transferred to like half a trillion dollars
Speaker 10: to Ukraine. Now we're suddenly talking about maybe regime change
Speaker 10: in Venezuela, which obviously would be a terrible idea. So
Speaker 10: money is a huge thing. I also think there is
Speaker 10: a very large I don't want to say it's totally
Speaker 10: moral blackmail, but people really enjoy patting themselves on the
Speaker 10: back for being compassionate and willing to spend other people's
Speaker 10: lives and other people's money to do things which they
Speaker 10: think are morally right to do. It's kind of the
Speaker 10: COVID nannying, but taken to a foreign policy extent. Oh,
Speaker 10: I'm not doing this to help myself. I'm trying to
Speaker 10: keep you safe. I think there is a large segment
Speaker 10: of people who really really enjoy the moralizing aspect of it,
Speaker 10: almost like the stolen moral valor aspect of it. I
Speaker 10: think it's that plus the plus the money. And then
Speaker 10: also there are people who just genuinely think we need
Speaker 10: to be involved everywhere. Why are we big and powerful
Speaker 10: and why do we have this role if we're not
Speaker 10: just gonna go be the world police.
Speaker 1: I think there are people who legitimately believe that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, Charlie used to rail against people
Speaker 3: being fixated and fascinated about foreign abstractions. It's somehow I
Speaker 3: think Honestly, when you get into a position of power
Speaker 3: or political office, it's easier to sort of think about
Speaker 3: others far and away and ignore the problems right at
Speaker 3: your doorstep because those are harder and and you know
Speaker 3: it might reflect poorly on your own self. So blake
Speaker 3: take us home.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think Sean's exactly right. People do
Speaker 6: get they get fixated on these big, abstract thing I think, honestly,
Speaker 6: it's almost I think it's a lot of people who
Speaker 6: get into politics and get into government are kind of
Speaker 6: nerds and dorks and they remember being kids and they
Speaker 6: liked the idea, Oh, I'm moving these like big the
Speaker 6: I can move these armies. It'd be so cool if
Speaker 6: I was Alexander the Great. It'd be so cool if
Speaker 6: I was Napoleon. And then they get into government and
Speaker 6: they kind of get to fill these fantasies. That sounds
Speaker 6: like the wrong word gods when that comes to mind. Yeah,
Speaker 6: god complex or just self importance, a lot of self importance.
Speaker 6: And you certainly see that in DC all the time,
Speaker 6: and it's really annoying.
Speaker 3: And this Christmas season, we remember that Jesus came to earth.
Speaker 3: He's God and we are not him. So that's our
Speaker 3: message to all the godlike complex folks. Thanks Sean, we'll
Speaker 3: see soon.
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas.
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