WEBVTT - The Epstein Finale? 

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Charlie Kirk.

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<v Speaker 2>I run the largest pro American student organization in the country,

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<v Speaker 3>All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>last show before Christmas. I'm your host for today, Andrew Colvett,

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<v Speaker 3>joined by Blake nef who's in the studio.

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<v Speaker 5>What are you wearing, Andrew?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'm wearing the dude buds. Yes, yes, Jack, you

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<v Speaker 3>got a sweater on. Blake, you do not have a

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<v Speaker 3>sweater on, because I forgot to tell you that I

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<v Speaker 3>was wearing my ugly Christmas sweater today.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think I even own a sweater. I live

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<v Speaker 5>in Phoenix.

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<v Speaker 4>Blake, you literally didn't get the Christmas water memo. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't understand what's going on here.

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, this is gonna pick it at a larger

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<v Speaker 3>scab about Andrew's terrible communication internally. So it was just

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<v Speaker 3>it was just a vibe that I felt this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, my kids were all like still in their

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<v Speaker 3>jammies their Christmas Jammy is they call?

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<v Speaker 4>So you are you wearing pajama at the bottoms right now?

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<v Speaker 4>Don't tell us?

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, I'm wearing jeans. I'm wearing jeans, thankfu. Although

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<v Speaker 3>Charlie two lies truth, Charlie Blake can attest. Charlie used

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<v Speaker 3>to always come into the studio with the He would

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<v Speaker 3>have you know, business on the top and then shorts

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<v Speaker 3>on the bottom. Yeah, basketball shorts. Yeah, that and the

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<v Speaker 3>long socks because they were good for circulation.

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<v Speaker 4>For the circulation, yeah, there, the vascular vascular socks.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 6>I wore those socks on because he advertises so much.

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<v Speaker 5>I wore them.

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<v Speaker 6>I think when I had to fly to Korea. It

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<v Speaker 6>was like a fifteen hour flight, and I wore them.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think I was about nine hours in and

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<v Speaker 6>I just said, I can't take this anymore and I

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<v Speaker 6>rolled back.

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<v Speaker 3>That's good for airplanes, though, no, it is. It's good

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<v Speaker 3>for airplanes. Listen. So we've got a jam packed show.

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<v Speaker 3>We figured let's just throw the kitchen sink at it

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<v Speaker 3>today and we're gonna have a lot of guests. So

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<v Speaker 3>we've start off with Jack Basoba, Coast of Human Events Dale.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna talk Epstein because with all the craziness around

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<v Speaker 3>Amfest and just kind of processing Amfest in our straw poll,

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<v Speaker 3>we have not I mean I personally, I have not

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<v Speaker 3>had a chance to really dive in. So Jack's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be our expert on that and kind of give us

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<v Speaker 3>the updates on that. I saw that there's a third

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<v Speaker 3>tranch of files from the DOJ following the passage of

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<v Speaker 3>that law. Then we're gonna have Sean Davis. He's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>talk about the family business that was on full display

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<v Speaker 3>at Amfest. And then we've got Steven Moore who's going

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about economics and the great GDP news that

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<v Speaker 3>came out this morning. And then we're gonna finish with

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<v Speaker 3>Bata Ungar Sargon. She's now a News Nation anchor and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to try and convince her that Jade Vance

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<v Speaker 3>is the man, and she's got her skepticism. So we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to talk through that. So Jack, without further ado,

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<v Speaker 3>just thirty thousand foot view for us, what's going on

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<v Speaker 3>with Epstein? How do we get here? What have we learned?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So this is the response to that legislation that

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<v Speaker 4>was by the House a while back. It was a

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<v Speaker 4>bipartisan piece of legislation regarding the Epstein files, which some

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<v Speaker 4>of us, like myself, have been calling for since day

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<v Speaker 4>one of President Trump returning to the White House. And

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<v Speaker 4>what we've got now are actual files coming out. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>what we have today, this is there. So there were

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<v Speaker 4>files released during Amfest because of course, it couldn't be

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<v Speaker 4>a turning point event without Epstein files getting released. Separately,

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<v Speaker 4>and then now we've got more Epstein files that are

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<v Speaker 4>being released as part of this trunch. And I believe

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<v Speaker 4>that one of the things that's going on right now

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<v Speaker 4>is that a lot of these files that are coming out,

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<v Speaker 4>these are investigative files. These are things that came up

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<v Speaker 4>as evidence. And there are a lot of redactions in these,

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<v Speaker 4>some of which were told are redactions for victims on

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<v Speaker 4>personal information that people don't want out for those who

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<v Speaker 4>aren't being accused of a crime, or people who are,

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<v Speaker 4>like I said, the victims of Epstein and of his network,

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<v Speaker 4>and potentially even under depending on who it is. Obviously

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<v Speaker 4>we can't tell in many of these cases. But there

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<v Speaker 4>are so many more files that are coming out, and

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<v Speaker 4>also that people are saying. There have been back and

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<v Speaker 4>forth of the DJ. They said, wait a minute, you've

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<v Speaker 4>put some stuff out, then you put out other stuff

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<v Speaker 4>and redacted. So there are people even respect this is

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<v Speaker 4>a very live situation where people are responding to the

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<v Speaker 4>DOJ release legally and saying, hey, I want that redacted,

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<v Speaker 4>Hey I want that redacted. So that being said, what

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<v Speaker 4>we do actually have, I'm just going to say it,

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<v Speaker 4>these photos that are released are absolutely disgusting. They make

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<v Speaker 4>me sick to my stomach looking at some of these.

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<v Speaker 4>I talked about this on Newsmachs last night that when

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<v Speaker 4>there were people, there have been a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's been this narrative that like, Okay, Epstein maybe

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't involved in like really bad stuff, and maybe it's

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<v Speaker 4>all just overblown. No, No, it's actually disgusting, and there's

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of photos. It just has to be said truthfully.

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<v Speaker 4>There are a lot of photos of him with Bill Clinton,

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<v Speaker 4>Bill Clinton in a hot tub, Him and Bill Clinton

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<v Speaker 4>on planes, Him and Bill Clinton wearing you know, matching

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<v Speaker 4>matching shirts of some kind at like some kind of party.

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<v Speaker 4>So again, what you're not finding are images of Donald

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<v Speaker 4>Trump in a hot tub. And so the Democrats are

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<v Speaker 4>sitting there going like, wait, what's you know, what's what's happening,

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<v Speaker 4>because we were told Trump would be the one in there.

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<v Speaker 4>And yes, there were some time there were some instances

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<v Speaker 4>where they said, okay, we found some records of Trump

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<v Speaker 4>flying on the plane. But what was interesting is, of

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<v Speaker 4>course not only did they still not find Trump find

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<v Speaker 4>just be truthful, they did not find Trump flying to

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<v Speaker 4>the island, but Trump was also flying on the plane

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<v Speaker 4>with his family, so like with his wife and children.

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<v Speaker 4>So again like not a situation where we're hopefully anything

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<v Speaker 4>on tour.

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<v Speaker 3>Those were those were mostly in the nineties, right Jack,

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<v Speaker 3>So oh.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, this is way way, way, like we're talking

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<v Speaker 4>thirty thirty, forty years ago in some instances, so where

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<v Speaker 4>it's like just or thirty years ago, so instances where

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<v Speaker 4>long before any of these, any of his crimes had

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<v Speaker 4>come to life, long before I mean know the rest

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<v Speaker 4>of the story. We've been over it so many times,

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<v Speaker 4>where he was evicted from mar A Lago for his behavior,

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<v Speaker 4>and then Trump actually goes to the lawyers of the

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<v Speaker 4>victims to say, how can I help you to put

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<v Speaker 4>this guy away? Because he's a bad guy. And what

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<v Speaker 4>we're seeing again over and over are pictures of him

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<v Speaker 4>of Epstein, as well as some emails with Prince or

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<v Speaker 4>i should say former Prince Andrew. A fake passport is

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<v Speaker 4>something that just came out, which is something that's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, this is happening all live. It was an

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<v Speaker 4>Austrian passport, talked about businesses in West Africa and Saudi Arabia.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean really just a lot of just a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of random things that are coming out like crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, let's go ahead and get President Trump was

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<v Speaker 3>asked about this. Let's play one ninety one.

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<v Speaker 7>I know there are a lot of people that are

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<v Speaker 7>angry about all of the pictures of other people, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>but I think it's sterile. Look, no, I don't like

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<v Speaker 7>the pictures of Bill Clinton being shown. I don't like

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<v Speaker 7>the pictures of other people being shown. I think it's

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<v Speaker 7>a terrible thing. I think Bill Lyndon's a big boy,

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<v Speaker 7>he can handle it.

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<v Speaker 8>But you probably have pictures being exposed of other people

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<v Speaker 8>that innocently met Jeffrey Epstein years ago, many years ago,

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<v Speaker 8>and they're you know, highly respected bankers and lawyers and others,

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<v Speaker 8>and they'll end up because of guys like Massiew's a

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<v Speaker 8>real low life. What this whole thing is with Epstein

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<v Speaker 8>is a way of trying to deflect from the tremendous

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<v Speaker 8>success that the Republican Party has.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, this feels pretty consistent with Trump's original kind

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<v Speaker 3>of objection to this, you know, and we have to

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<v Speaker 3>remember that if they had something on Trump, it would

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<v Speaker 3>have been weaponized by the Biden administration, you know, ten

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<v Speaker 3>times over. So or this does.

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<v Speaker 5>Turn that around. Yeah, if they have something on Clinton.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like the Trump admin would probably want to

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<v Speaker 6>He has a big, pretty big beef with the Clintons.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm well, actually Trump Trump is saying, listen, I've always

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<v Speaker 3>gotten along with Bill. He's been good to me. I've

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<v Speaker 3>been good to him. I actually don't kind of getting

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<v Speaker 3>inside the psyche of President Trump, I actually don't think

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<v Speaker 3>he has like a bone to pick with Bill Clinton

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<v Speaker 3>per se. Maybe Hillary more so, but yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 3>Trump Trump knows a lot of these guys, kind of

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<v Speaker 3>knows the situation that some of the innocent ones are

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<v Speaker 3>put in. It just feels like he's being consistent. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the admin was pressured, you know, he takes

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<v Speaker 3>a shot at Thomas Massey right there to be more transparent.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's doing He's doing what he's got to do politically.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think he actually seems to be fairly disgusted

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<v Speaker 3>with the fact that one of the act here.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, one thing I was to mention is there is

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<v Speaker 4>a very strange letter to Larry Nasser. Larry Nasser, who

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<v Speaker 4>we know also went to prison and is in prison

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<v Speaker 4>for these same type of crimes, that Epstein wrote a

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<v Speaker 4>letter to him saying as you know by now I

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<v Speaker 4>have taken the short route home. Good luck. We shared

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<v Speaker 4>one thing, our love and caring for young ladies and

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<v Speaker 4>the hope they'd reach their full potential. And then he

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<v Speaker 4>also he makes a Lewde reference to Trump, and then

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<v Speaker 3>Blake Nef is threatening to upset everybody in the audience.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if we're ready for that yet, but

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<v Speaker 3>why don't we just start here? Let's go one ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Joe Scarborough on his reaction to the Epstein files.

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<v Speaker 9>One of the great mysteries to me and a lot

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<v Speaker 9>of other people is we've had reporting for some time

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<v Speaker 9>Donald Trump is not on Epstein's list. There's nothing in

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<v Speaker 9>there that's really damning about Donald Trump. And as Susie

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<v Speaker 9>Wilde says, not damning about Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Are Bill Clinton.

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<v Speaker 9>So one of the great mysteries all along in this

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<v Speaker 9>not been like, what's Donald Trump hiding?

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<v Speaker 1>What did he do?

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<v Speaker 5>Da da da da say?

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<v Speaker 9>Why if he's not in these files, which all the

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<v Speaker 9>reporting says he's not Why is he so obsessed on

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<v Speaker 9>blocking access to the files? Is he trying to protect somebody?

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean, what do you think.

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<v Speaker 6>I guess what I would say is I feel like

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<v Speaker 6>that's actually the case for a lot of the people

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<v Speaker 6>in this I'm seeing the stuff that's going viral, and

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<v Speaker 6>what a lot of this is.

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<v Speaker 5>It's photographs of people.

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<v Speaker 6>Hanging out and then they black out the faces and

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<v Speaker 6>that's used to create the implication there's a super savage,

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<v Speaker 6>sinister crime. But what you will basically just have is

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<v Speaker 6>you have Bill Clinton getting photos with people, you have

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<v Speaker 6>Bill Gates getting photos with people, you have people having

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<v Speaker 6>photos with Epstein. And I think it gets back to

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<v Speaker 6>what President Trump said, which I think is reasonable. He's

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<v Speaker 6>pointed out a lot of people met Epstein. He was

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<v Speaker 6>a huge socialite. And when you just release a giant

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<v Speaker 6>pile of photographs you can of someone who's become an

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<v Speaker 6>infamous figure, you basically tar everyone by association. And I

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<v Speaker 6>guess I would caution everyone to take a step back

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<v Speaker 6>and think, what do we really have proof of what

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<v Speaker 6>has actually been litigated in court? Because, for example, a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of these cases when they have gone to court,

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<v Speaker 6>people have either they've gone to court, like Alan Dershowitz

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<v Speaker 6>was able to sue Virginia Guffrey and she had to

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<v Speaker 6>admit she just was lying about him. Or we have

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<v Speaker 6>cases where a lot of this has been a funny

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<v Speaker 6>pattern that's been going on throughout the case this year,

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<v Speaker 6>where a lot of the victims have just been saying

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<v Speaker 6>they've been saying, release the names, release the names, but

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<v Speaker 6>they won't name names themselves. And I think a justifiable

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<v Speaker 6>reason for skepticism there is they don't want to name

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<v Speaker 6>names themselves because they actually don't have evidence, and they're

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<v Speaker 6>basically worried about getting sued for defamation, and they wanted

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<v Speaker 6>others to do the work for them to justify allegations

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<v Speaker 6>that they could kind of get away with making without

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<v Speaker 6>being as facing as much risk of actual defamation.

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<v Speaker 5>It just the whole thing feels very off to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Jack, you're kind of a contrarian voice in this space

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit as well. I mean, I mean, where

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<v Speaker 3>would you put yourself on the spectrum of Like he

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<v Speaker 3>was this mastermind international pedophile ring leader with compromide on

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<v Speaker 3>the world's leaders versus he was just kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>a kinky, gross, disgusting like sex you know, pass that

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<v Speaker 3>was connected to a few international leaders. Maybe he was

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<v Speaker 3>working with the CIA, Masad whatever where. Like, there's so

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<v Speaker 3>many options of what the truth is here, it's hard

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<v Speaker 3>to make sense of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, look, I see what the DOJ is putting out,

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<v Speaker 4>but I also watch Mike Ben's and all the stuff

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<v Speaker 4>that he's putting out as well. He's very well documented

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<v Speaker 4>these links between Epstein and intelligence. He talks about his

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<v Speaker 4>connections to Iran Contra, his connections to ad Non Koshogi,

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<v Speaker 4>the money that was being runner around. Yes, that's right,

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<v Speaker 4>the father of Jamal Koshogi, and so's it's really interesting

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<v Speaker 4>when you look at some of this stuff and the

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<v Speaker 4>networks that he was in, and then certainly there are

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<v Speaker 4>questions on who was running who was he an asset?

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<v Speaker 4>Was he an operative? But I really do think that

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<v Speaker 4>there's a lot more to this than I think than

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<v Speaker 4>meets the eye. But when it comes to what Blake

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<v Speaker 4>is saying, I can appreciate what Blake saying because when

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<v Speaker 4>you go to court, you absolutely need evidence and you

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<v Speaker 4>need to be able to stand these things up on evidence.

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<v Speaker 4>So what I would also say, though, is if the

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<v Speaker 4>DJ has this evidence, then we should put it out

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<v Speaker 4>or at least make it available to any of the

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<v Speaker 4>victims should they want to sue. And I believe that

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<v Speaker 4>a number of the victims are getting restitution from the

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<v Speaker 4>Estate of Epstein, and I think they deserve that. But

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<v Speaker 4>if there are people out there, like former Prince Andrew

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<v Speaker 4>or others who are involved in crimes, then absolutely you

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<v Speaker 4>have to use the evidence. Like that's the whole point.

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<v Speaker 4>We have the government. This whole point, we have the

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<v Speaker 4>Department of Justice. You investigate the crimes. You don't make

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<v Speaker 4>the victim have to investigate themselves, right, that's the point.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why we have the government.

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<v Speaker 3>Jack, one more question here before we got to go,

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<v Speaker 3>what do you make of this video that was circulating

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<v Speaker 3>around Yesda it seemed to show and the timestamp lined

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<v Speaker 3>up with his suicide or murder. However you want to

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<v Speaker 3>look at it, whether it showed him potentially committing suicide

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<v Speaker 3>that you checked into that, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think that ended up being a recreation that

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<v Speaker 4>was not an actual video. That was something that possibly

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<v Speaker 4>was done as a recreation, CGI kind of thing to say,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, if he did it, here's a way he

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<v Speaker 4>possibly anatomically could have done it. Possibly something they were

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<v Speaker 4>looking at during the autopsy. Different things like that can

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<v Speaker 4>be created when you're ongoing.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it was but I think it was in the

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<v Speaker 3>DJ file. It was in the you could actually access

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<v Speaker 3>it online. It was very interesting. Yeah, I guess it

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<v Speaker 3>was a recreation. Jack Mesobic, thanks for walking us through that.

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<v Speaker 3>Lots of lots to pars through their human events daily.

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<v Speaker 3>Check out his show every day at two pm Eastern.

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<v Speaker 3>Merry Christmas, Jack, thanks for everything you're doing.

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<v Speaker 4>Merry Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>Candles were lit on Bondai Beach by families, by children,

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<v Speaker 3>by people of faith to celebrate a festival of Light,

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<v Speaker 3>a festival from Bible Times, one that Jesus himself celebrated.

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<v Speaker 3>People gathered with hope, seeking unity and comfort and tradition,

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<v Speaker 3>but instead of light, there was darkness, violence, fear, hatred

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<v Speaker 3>without further ado, We're going to talk some family business

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<v Speaker 3>with Sean Davis. He is the right guy to do

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<v Speaker 3>it because you know, there's a lot of Johnny Come Lately's,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of there's a lot of new blood

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<v Speaker 3>in the movement, and that's a good thing. But sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>they don't know how the They don't know how the

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<v Speaker 3>sausage is made. They don't know how the coalition came

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<v Speaker 3>together in the first point in the first part. So

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<v Speaker 3>Sean Davis from the Federalists, one of the good guys

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<v Speaker 3>out there. Man, does he know how to tweak the left? Sean,

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for having me Merry Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I tried to get you to go to Amfest,

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<v Speaker 3>but you were adamant that you had other plans. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not for me to divulge what you were doing instead

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<v Speaker 3>of coming to Amfest. But I wanted to get you.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if you want to go there, it's fine

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<v Speaker 3>with It's fine with me. But something to do with

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<v Speaker 3>Bambie I don't know. But if if you were on

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<v Speaker 3>the outside looking in and Amfest, you got to see

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<v Speaker 3>all the reactions to it, the reactions of the speeches,

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<v Speaker 3>to the disagreements, all of these things I want. I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted your help to make sense of it. Sean, what

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<v Speaker 3>what do you make of the reactions? But the good

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<v Speaker 3>and the bad?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I was up in a tree stand hunting, not Bamby,

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<v Speaker 10>but Bambi's dad last week, which was awesome, got him.

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<v Speaker 3>Good. I saw the fruits of your labor, and I'm impressed.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm impressed.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna be delicious.

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<v Speaker 10>I got to tell you what I've always loved about Amfest.

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<v Speaker 10>I love the energy. I love the number of people

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<v Speaker 10>you can get in there. Just like the logistical feat

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<v Speaker 10>of pulling something like that off, let alone in a

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<v Speaker 10>year like this really blows my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing that I have.

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<v Speaker 10>Always loved about it, about Charlie in particular and kind

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<v Speaker 10>of the whole TPUSA vibe, is how ecumenical it is.

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<v Speaker 10>He will have or had people all the time where

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<v Speaker 10>I was like, Yeah, I don't really like that guy,

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<v Speaker 10>and then there'd.

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<v Speaker 1>Be people who would be like, oh, yeah, that guy's awesome.

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<v Speaker 10>And I think that's kind of what makes the movement great,

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<v Speaker 10>is that we don't have to always agree on everything

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<v Speaker 10>all the time for the same reasons, and so I

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<v Speaker 10>like having the people up there who can disagree, who

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<v Speaker 10>can do it respectfully, because the whole point here is

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<v Speaker 10>to build a coalition and that can win elections and

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<v Speaker 10>then do what needs to be done to save our country.

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<v Speaker 10>So that's what I loved about AMPS this year in particular,

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<v Speaker 10>after everything that's happened, is it would have been easy

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<v Speaker 10>to just retreat in on yourself and become very kind

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<v Speaker 10>of self referential and self focused, and instead the focus

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<v Speaker 10>state on the country and the movement and everyone who's

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<v Speaker 10>within it, even the people I don't agree with all

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<v Speaker 10>the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well said I mean, and Blake, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>bring you in for this as well. I mean, there

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<v Speaker 3>just seems to be though this there's a rising tide

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<v Speaker 3>of voices that are calling for denouncing certain voice to

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<v Speaker 3>other people that they want to see the disavow very publicly.

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<v Speaker 3>They want to see. You know, it just seems like

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<v Speaker 3>we hadn't been in that that posture, you hadn't heard

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<v Speaker 3>as much of that tone, and all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 3>there's there's a lot of voices saying we got to

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<v Speaker 3>disavow this, we gotta say this, we gotta we gotta

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<v Speaker 3>block this, and I think a lot of it is

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<v Speaker 3>a proxy war with JD ahead of twenty twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>But I leave it to you guys, Blake, you first,

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<v Speaker 3>what do you make of this this? I mean, because

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<v Speaker 3>you you have a you have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>sympathy I think for that as well. But you're you're

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<v Speaker 3>much more reserve, reserved and restrained.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think I think you want to you have

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<v Speaker 5>to divorce.

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<v Speaker 6>I think demands that you disavow, that you exclude someone aggressively.

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<v Speaker 5>I we know how.

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<v Speaker 6>Charlie had a lot of resistance to that, understandably, so

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<v Speaker 6>he hated what he called moral blackmail.

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<v Speaker 5>That was the line he used uh, But I.

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<v Speaker 6>Don't think we saw too much of that. I think

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<v Speaker 6>we saw a lot of people trying to characterize it

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<v Speaker 6>that way. But I think what we saw was you

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<v Speaker 6>saw an aggressive posture about how what we should be

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<v Speaker 6>talking about, what we should care about most, uh, what

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<v Speaker 6>is good or bad behavior? I think, I know, let's

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<v Speaker 6>just stay the elephant in the room. A lot of

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<v Speaker 6>people are reacting specifically to what Ben Shapiro said immediately

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<v Speaker 6>after Erica spoke, and I don't think Ben was saying

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<v Speaker 6>we need to aggressively cancel people. I think he was

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<v Speaker 6>saying he was disappointed in how a lot of people had.

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<v Speaker 5>Handled certain topics.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think in response to that, many people said, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>he's trying to cancel us. I think Ben was going

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<v Speaker 6>about it in the way Ben does. Ben is a

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<v Speaker 6>very blunt guy. He's going to say exactly what he

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<v Speaker 6>means and exactly what he's angry about. And I think

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<v Speaker 6>that's going to some people are going to really like that.

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<v Speaker 6>Some people are going to find it really irritating, and

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<v Speaker 6>that's just that's part of his brand. That's been his

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<v Speaker 6>brand for a decade. But I think on the ground,

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<v Speaker 6>among attendees, we saw a lot of people who frankly,

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<v Speaker 6>they enjoyed what Ben said and what Megan said, what

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<v Speaker 6>Tucker said, And I think that's really how a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of the bass feels.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the people who are getting angry enough to.

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<v Speaker 6>Boot others out are kind of a pretty small slice

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<v Speaker 6>of the coalition overall.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they're loud online though, right, Sean. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>that's why I wanted to get your perspective in because

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<v Speaker 3>to Blake's point, there was there was people in the

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<v Speaker 3>audience that like, what what are we fighting about? That?

0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:12.680
<v Speaker 3>People had no idea like that. There was that there

0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:15.359
<v Speaker 3>was like a you know, a kind of a family

0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:18.520
<v Speaker 3>business fight happening, right uh. And then you had people

0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:20.359
<v Speaker 3>that were like, we we actually did a show hands

0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:25.520
<v Speaker 3>and our members podcast room, and we said who likes

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<v Speaker 3>Ben's approach? And about half the hands went up? And

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<v Speaker 3>then we're like, who likes Tucker's approach? About half the

0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:33.159
<v Speaker 3>hands went up. So it was like it was a

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<v Speaker 3>very mixed crowd, a very mixed reception to that. And

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<v Speaker 3>to Blake's point, I didn't hear Ben saying we need

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<v Speaker 3>to cancel people. Ben was just saying, you know, here

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<v Speaker 3>here are my lines, here are my lines in the sand,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, take him or leave him. And you know

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<v Speaker 3>he wasn't calling us to cancel people either. He was

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<v Speaker 3>just sort of festivus for the rest of us. He

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<v Speaker 3>was airing his grievances in a public place, and you

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<v Speaker 3>know that was his Yeah, we don't, we don't. We

0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:01.080
<v Speaker 3>don't tell anybody what to say actually at these things.

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<v Speaker 3>So you from the outside, but there is this loud

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<v Speaker 3>contingent on x and other forums that are saying it's

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<v Speaker 3>time to sort of excommunicate this or that or this

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<v Speaker 3>person or that person.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, and I mean that's to be expected online. This

0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:16.840
<v Speaker 10>is politics, and politics is all about getting your way

0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:20.359
<v Speaker 10>so that someone else who you disagree with can't get

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<v Speaker 10>their way. So like that's it's just kind of part

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<v Speaker 10>and parcel of how politics works.

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<v Speaker 5>Again, what I have.

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<v Speaker 10>Always liked is the ecumenicalism of TPOSA and the movement

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<v Speaker 10>in general. And like my personal philosophy on this is,

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<v Speaker 10>if you're within the movement, define it as loosely as

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<v Speaker 10>you like. If you're putting points on the board, if

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<v Speaker 10>you are bringing people to the table and you're moving

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<v Speaker 10>the ball where we need to go, I'm good with you.

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<v Speaker 10>Even if I might disagree with you on a whole

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<v Speaker 10>bunch of stuff, and that goes for Tucker and Megan

0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:52.440
<v Speaker 10>and you and Ben Shapiro and Nicki Minaj or anyone else.

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<v Speaker 10>If you were rowing with us and you're not actively

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<v Speaker 10>trying to hurt the movement and hurt the country, there's

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<v Speaker 10>a there's there's a lot that I can tolerate of disagreement,

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<v Speaker 10>and so I think it's good to have that. And

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<v Speaker 10>the other thing to recognize is we're never going to

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<v Speaker 10>agree with everyone all the time. I don't agree with

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<v Speaker 10>my wife on everything all the time. I don't agree

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<v Speaker 10>with my kids on everything all the time. I have

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:16.920
<v Speaker 10>debates in my own head with myself on issues back

0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:20.240
<v Speaker 10>and forth. So like it's hard to get full agreement

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<v Speaker 10>with people you know and love and care about a

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:26.359
<v Speaker 10>trillion percent, imagine how much more difficult it is going

0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:29.000
<v Speaker 10>to be to agree with everyone all the time, people

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<v Speaker 10>who you don't know, with different backgrounds and different priorities.

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<v Speaker 10>And then you talk about kind of like the online nature,

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:36.520
<v Speaker 10>and there really.

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<v Speaker 1>Is such a big divide.

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<v Speaker 10>If you live your entire life on the internet with

0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:42.840
<v Speaker 10>the screen in front of you, you are going to

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:46.080
<v Speaker 10>have a very different perspective of where the country is

0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 10>than if you don't do that. And it obviously, you know,

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 10>Twitter or x isn't real life, but it can be

0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:53.719
<v Speaker 10>reflective of it. So I don't want to dismiss the

0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 10>online debates because they're important and they do they do

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<v Speaker 10>mean something and they represent real people. But it's important

0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 10>to be out there talking to normal people, talking to

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:06.560
<v Speaker 10>people who are not online, who are not political obsessives,

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<v Speaker 10>because as much as it may pain people like us

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<v Speaker 10>to hear we are political obsessives, most people are not

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<v Speaker 10>like us.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't look at.

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<v Speaker 10>The world through the lens that we look through it.

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<v Speaker 10>And so it's just great to have thirty thousand people,

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<v Speaker 10>especially young people, who are forming their own worldview and

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<v Speaker 10>their own opinions and getting their perspective, and when they

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<v Speaker 10>are out there saying the people who were there, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>half of us liked it and half of us didn't.

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<v Speaker 10>That seems to me like you've struck a pretty good

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<v Speaker 10>balance on how to represent the whole of the movement.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean, I think that's you're echoing so much

0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:41.399
<v Speaker 3>of what Jad said in his speech. You know, I

0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:44.520
<v Speaker 3>let's go ahead and play some sound from him. One

0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:48.159
<v Speaker 3>twenty five, all of you, each and everyone.

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<v Speaker 6>President Trump did not build the greatest coalition in politics

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<v Speaker 6>by running.

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:56.360
<v Speaker 4>His supporters through endless, self.

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<v Speaker 3>Defeating purity tests.

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<v Speaker 10>He says, make a America great again, because every American

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<v Speaker 10>is invited.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't care if you're white or black, rich or poor,

0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 3>young or old. And he keeps going on, right he

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.720
<v Speaker 3>he He made this point a lot of times. And

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 3>it's not that he didn't put boundaries in this speech.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean he he basically he condemned anti semitism, He

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 3>condemned racism, anti white racism, anti Asian racism, and lifted

0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:37.080
<v Speaker 3>up merit merit, merit merit. So I sort of just

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:40.520
<v Speaker 3>wonder if people, you know, if they if he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>straight up say I condemn Nick Fuentes in this speech.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder if anybody would have been like that crowd

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:49.399
<v Speaker 3>would have been happy. You know, he didn't have to

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 3>say some people's names.

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 5>Which he doesn't. Did condemn him by name the next day, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean because he came after his wife, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So JD put a big line in the sand on

0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:02.480
<v Speaker 3>that and that front. But like listen, I think the

0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:05.239
<v Speaker 3>message was clear. I think ninety percent of people heard it,

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 3>but I think there's a loud minority online that is

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<v Speaker 3>just not going to be happy until you know everybody's

0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 3>getting like, you know, going full Ben Shapiro on taking

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:19.120
<v Speaker 3>a howitzer to everybody else in the movement. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>So I think it's when people are doing that, they

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 10>are pretending to be mad about mad at him about

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<v Speaker 10>one thing, when they're actually mad about another thing. And

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<v Speaker 10>with JD, foreign policy is the main thing. JD is

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<v Speaker 10>not an interventionist, he's not a neocon. He's very much

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<v Speaker 10>a realist and someone who having been involved in America's

0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 10>wars personally understands that, you know, we need to be

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:43.719
<v Speaker 10>a lot more circumspective about how we get in. And

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 10>so when people go after him, it's really a proxy

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:49.720
<v Speaker 10>battle over foreign policy. And I think a lot of people, honestly,

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<v Speaker 10>I wish they were just more honest about what the

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<v Speaker 10>real issue is, rather than trying to pretend it's something else.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, we have some serious things to talk about

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<v Speaker 3>right now. Blake and Sean. The question before you what

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<v Speaker 3>is your favorite Christmas movie? And is die Hard a

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 3>Christmas movie? The eternal debate.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's Sean go first.

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<v Speaker 10>So I for a nostalgia Steake, I love a Christmas story.

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<v Speaker 10>My kids hate it. I love it. It's what I

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:28.560
<v Speaker 10>grew up watching. I will say no, die Hard is

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<v Speaker 10>not a Christmas movie. And the thing that perplexes me

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<v Speaker 10>to this day what do they do in having a

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 10>work party on Christmas Eve?

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy, It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 6>It was a Christmas party. It was their Christmas party

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 6>for the office. But yeah, it was way too late.

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<v Speaker 6>It is too late my favorite Christmas movie? First of all,

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<v Speaker 6>say Diehard definitely not a Christmas movie. It came out

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 6>in the summer. It's just a movie set during Christmas.

0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 6>That is not the same. And then I would say

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 6>my favorite you know, you don't hear about it as much.

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<v Speaker 6>I think I might fall back on on Home Alone.

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<v Speaker 5>Home Alone is a really good movie.

0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 6>It's got really good Christmas themes, not just the funny stuff,

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:07.080
<v Speaker 6>the stuff with the man with his daughter, his a

0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:09.840
<v Speaker 6>strange son. That stuff is really beautiful to watch as

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 6>an adult. I didn't appreciate it as much as a kid.

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 6>I really love that stuff.

0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 5>I should watch it again.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Christmas. Oh, I have the dude abides Christmas sweater. Yes,

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 3>that is the dude from Big Lebowski. You can judge

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 3>me all you want, but the dude abides. Yes. Diehard

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 3>is a Christmas movie. Yes, it was released in the summer,

0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:32.360
<v Speaker 3>but it was a set on Christmas eve. Man, It's

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:37.120
<v Speaker 3>like it's perfectly situated. It lives eternally. This is why

0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 3>every Christmas it's on the Christmas watch lists streaming.

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 6>No, this is like a gen x irony thing, like

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 6>it's funny to go haha.

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 5>It's set during Christmas.

0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 6>It's technically a Christmas movie, but it's just it is

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 6>a movie set during Christmas. It doesn't have any Christmas

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 6>themes about yes, damn.

0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:58.600
<v Speaker 3>Come on reuniting with his wife. I mean they're like.

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<v Speaker 6>Movie way like the lesson of Diehard is then like

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 6>you can you can like get back with your wife

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 6>by killing a bunch of terrorists.

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 5>Not like that. Everyone knows that, you know, getting over

0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 5>your hang ups or something.

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 3>You know it's oh my god. Well listen, I gotta

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 3>take your shoes Blank for Studio agrees with me, and yeah,

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:21.320
<v Speaker 3>Posto's chiming into. He says, The Lion, the Witch and

0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:22.959
<v Speaker 3>the Wardrobe is a Christmas movie.

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<v Speaker 10>I gotta take your shoes on irony thing that that's

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 10>a millennial affectation. Gen X doesn't do faux irony. That's

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 10>very much a millennial thing effect.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, how dare you think?

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<v Speaker 3>Right here? So the but my favorite Christmas movie is

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 3>absolutely It's a wonderful life and I love I love

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<v Speaker 3>like the nineteen eighties what is it nineteen eighty three

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 3>Christmas Carol or something. I forget what I forget. I

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 3>just I know we have it on the the we

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 3>bought it, so we watch it. I forget which one

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:57.800
<v Speaker 3>it is, but it was like the nineteen eighties one

0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 3>and my daughter actually loves it and she's seven, and

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 3>it's so I like watching it with her. That's my

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 3>whole plan. Everybody's like, what are you doing this Christmas?

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm watching Christmas movies. As soon as I'm done today,

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm clocking out, turning the phone off. We're doing hot

0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 3>cocoa and pajamas and we're watching Christmas movies. I plan

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 3>to gain at least four pounds.

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 6>Hot coco to insulate yourself from the cold sixty five

0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 6>degree wins of Santa Barbara.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, listen, I'm trying to I'm trying to stay warm.

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<v Speaker 3>I will tell you so, Hey, Sean, let me know

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<v Speaker 3>what you think here. So, I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>these battles just sorry, I got to make it serious

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<v Speaker 3>for the last three minutes we have here. A lot

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<v Speaker 3>of these battles are just a proxy about foreign policy.

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<v Speaker 3>Why is that issue in particular? Is it just because

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<v Speaker 3>the military industrial complex? Is it because there's so much

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<v Speaker 3>money involved? It's like, you know, people's tribalism on display.

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<v Speaker 3>What what drives the foreign policy debate? When we have

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<v Speaker 3>a whole country to govern? Why is that always such

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<v Speaker 3>a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's such a good question. Obviously.

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<v Speaker 10>I think the money involved is a big thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 10>how many trillions of dollars did we spend in Iraq

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<v Speaker 10>and Afghanistan? And then when those were finally wound down,

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<v Speaker 10>it magically was transferred to like half a trillion dollars

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<v Speaker 10>to Ukraine. Now we're suddenly talking about maybe regime change

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<v Speaker 10>in Venezuela, which obviously would be a terrible idea. So

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<v Speaker 10>money is a huge thing. I also think there is

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<v Speaker 10>a very large I don't want to say it's totally

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<v Speaker 10>moral blackmail, but people really enjoy patting themselves on the

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<v Speaker 10>back for being compassionate and willing to spend other people's

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<v Speaker 10>lives and other people's money to do things which they

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<v Speaker 10>think are morally right to do. It's kind of the

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<v Speaker 10>COVID nannying, but taken to a foreign policy extent. Oh,

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<v Speaker 10>I'm not doing this to help myself. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 10>keep you safe. I think there is a large segment

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<v Speaker 10>of people who really really enjoy the moralizing aspect of it,

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<v Speaker 10>almost like the stolen moral valor aspect of it. I

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<v Speaker 10>think it's that plus the plus the money. And then

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<v Speaker 10>also there are people who just genuinely think we need

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<v Speaker 10>to be involved everywhere. Why are we big and powerful

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<v Speaker 10>and why do we have this role if we're not

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<v Speaker 10>just gonna go be the world police.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there are people who legitimately believe that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know, Charlie used to rail against people

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<v Speaker 3>being fixated and fascinated about foreign abstractions. It's somehow I

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<v Speaker 3>think Honestly, when you get into a position of power

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<v Speaker 3>or political office, it's easier to sort of think about

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<v Speaker 3>others far and away and ignore the problems right at

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<v Speaker 3>your doorstep because those are harder and and you know

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<v Speaker 3>it might reflect poorly on your own self. So blake

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<v Speaker 3>take us home.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think I think Sean's exactly right. People do

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<v Speaker 6>get they get fixated on these big, abstract thing I think, honestly,

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<v Speaker 6>it's almost I think it's a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 6>get into politics and get into government are kind of

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<v Speaker 6>nerds and dorks and they remember being kids and they

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<v Speaker 6>liked the idea, Oh, I'm moving these like big the

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<v Speaker 6>I can move these armies. It'd be so cool if

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<v Speaker 6>I was Alexander the Great. It'd be so cool if

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<v Speaker 6>I was Napoleon. And then they get into government and

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<v Speaker 6>they kind of get to fill these fantasies. That sounds

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<v Speaker 6>like the wrong word gods when that comes to mind. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>god complex or just self importance, a lot of self importance.

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<v Speaker 6>And you certainly see that in DC all the time,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's really annoying.

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<v Speaker 3>And this Christmas season, we remember that Jesus came to earth.

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<v Speaker 3>He's God and we are not him. So that's our

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<v Speaker 3>message to all the godlike complex folks. Thanks Sean, we'll

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<v Speaker 3>see soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas.

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