1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 2: fighting for the future of our republic. 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 3: My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 3: College is a scam, everybody. 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 4: You got to stop sending your kids to college. 10 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: You should get married as young as possible and have 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: as many kids as possible. 12 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 3: Go start at turning point. 13 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 4: You would say college chapter. 14 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 2: Go start aturning point, yould say high school chapter. 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The Charlie Kirk Show 23 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: is proudly sponsored by Preserved Gold, leading gold and silver 24 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: experts and the only precious metals company I recommend to 25 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: my family, friends and viewers. 26 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 3: All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's the 27 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 3: last show before Christmas. I'm your host for today, Andrew Colvett, 28 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 3: joined by Blake nef who's in the studio. 29 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 5: What are you wearing, Andrew? 30 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm wearing the dude buds. Yes, yes, Jack, you 31 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: got a sweater on. Blake, you do not have a 32 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: sweater on, because I forgot to tell you that I 33 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: was wearing my ugly Christmas sweater today. 34 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 5: I don't think I even own a sweater. I live 35 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 5: in Phoenix. 36 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 4: Blake, you literally didn't get the Christmas water memo. I 37 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 4: don't understand what's going on here. 38 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 3: No, No, this is gonna pick it at a larger 39 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 3: scab about Andrew's terrible communication internally. So it was just 40 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 3: it was just a vibe that I felt this morning. 41 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: You know, my kids were all like still in their 42 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: jammies their Christmas Jammy is they call? 43 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 4: So you are you wearing pajama at the bottoms right now? 44 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 4: Don't tell us? 45 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 3: No, No, I'm wearing jeans. I'm wearing jeans, thankfu. Although 46 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: Charlie two lies truth, Charlie Blake can attest. Charlie used 47 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: to always come into the studio with the He would 48 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 3: have you know, business on the top and then shorts 49 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 3: on the bottom. Yeah, basketball shorts. Yeah, that and the 50 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: long socks because they were good for circulation. 51 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 4: For the circulation, yeah, there, the vascular vascular socks. 52 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 3: That's right. 53 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 6: I wore those socks on because he advertises so much. 54 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 5: I wore them. 55 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 6: I think when I had to fly to Korea. It 56 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 6: was like a fifteen hour flight, and I wore them. 57 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 6: And I think I was about nine hours in and 58 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 6: I just said, I can't take this anymore and I 59 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 6: rolled back. 60 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 3: That's good for airplanes, though, no, it is. It's good 61 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: for airplanes. Listen. So we've got a jam packed show. 62 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: We figured let's just throw the kitchen sink at it 63 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 3: today and we're gonna have a lot of guests. So 64 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 3: we've start off with Jack Basoba, Coast of Human Events Dale. 65 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: We're gonna talk Epstein because with all the craziness around 66 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: Amfest and just kind of processing Amfest in our straw poll, 67 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 3: we have not I mean I personally, I have not 68 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 3: had a chance to really dive in. So Jack's gonna 69 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: be our expert on that and kind of give us 70 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 3: the updates on that. I saw that there's a third 71 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 3: tranch of files from the DOJ following the passage of 72 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 3: that law. Then we're gonna have Sean Davis. He's gonna 73 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: talk about the family business that was on full display 74 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 3: at Amfest. And then we've got Steven Moore who's going 75 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: to talk about economics and the great GDP news that 76 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: came out this morning. And then we're gonna finish with 77 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 3: Bata Ungar Sargon. She's now a News Nation anchor and 78 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: I'm going to try and convince her that Jade Vance 79 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: is the man, and she's got her skepticism. So we're 80 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: going to talk through that. So Jack, without further ado, 81 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: just thirty thousand foot view for us, what's going on 82 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: with Epstein? How do we get here? What have we learned? 83 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 4: Okay, So this is the response to that legislation that 84 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 4: was by the House a while back. It was a 85 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 4: bipartisan piece of legislation regarding the Epstein files, which some 86 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 4: of us, like myself, have been calling for since day 87 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 4: one of President Trump returning to the White House. And 88 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 4: what we've got now are actual files coming out. Now, 89 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 4: what we have today, this is there. So there were 90 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 4: files released during Amfest because of course, it couldn't be 91 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 4: a turning point event without Epstein files getting released. Separately, 92 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 4: and then now we've got more Epstein files that are 93 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 4: being released as part of this trunch. And I believe 94 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 4: that one of the things that's going on right now 95 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 4: is that a lot of these files that are coming out, 96 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 4: these are investigative files. These are things that came up 97 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 4: as evidence. And there are a lot of redactions in these, 98 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 4: some of which were told are redactions for victims on 99 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 4: personal information that people don't want out for those who 100 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 4: aren't being accused of a crime, or people who are, 101 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 4: like I said, the victims of Epstein and of his network, 102 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 4: and potentially even under depending on who it is. Obviously 103 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 4: we can't tell in many of these cases. But there 104 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 4: are so many more files that are coming out, and 105 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 4: also that people are saying. There have been back and 106 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 4: forth of the DJ. They said, wait a minute, you've 107 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,559 Speaker 4: put some stuff out, then you put out other stuff 108 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 4: and redacted. So there are people even respect this is 109 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 4: a very live situation where people are responding to the 110 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 4: DOJ release legally and saying, hey, I want that redacted, 111 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 4: Hey I want that redacted. So that being said, what 112 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 4: we do actually have, I'm just going to say it, 113 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 4: these photos that are released are absolutely disgusting. They make 114 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 4: me sick to my stomach looking at some of these. 115 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 4: I talked about this on Newsmachs last night that when 116 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 4: there were people, there have been a lot of people. 117 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 4: So there's been this narrative that like, Okay, Epstein maybe 118 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 4: wasn't involved in like really bad stuff, and maybe it's 119 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 4: all just overblown. No, No, it's actually disgusting, and there's 120 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 4: a lot of photos. It just has to be said truthfully. 121 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: There are a lot of photos of him with Bill Clinton, 122 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 4: Bill Clinton in a hot tub, Him and Bill Clinton 123 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 4: on planes, Him and Bill Clinton wearing you know, matching 124 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 4: matching shirts of some kind at like some kind of party. 125 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 4: So again, what you're not finding are images of Donald 126 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 4: Trump in a hot tub. And so the Democrats are 127 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 4: sitting there going like, wait, what's you know, what's what's happening, 128 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 4: because we were told Trump would be the one in there. 129 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 4: And yes, there were some time there were some instances 130 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 4: where they said, okay, we found some records of Trump 131 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 4: flying on the plane. But what was interesting is, of 132 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 4: course not only did they still not find Trump find 133 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 4: just be truthful, they did not find Trump flying to 134 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,559 Speaker 4: the island, but Trump was also flying on the plane 135 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 4: with his family, so like with his wife and children. 136 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 4: So again like not a situation where we're hopefully anything 137 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 4: on tour. 138 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: Those were those were mostly in the nineties, right Jack, 139 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: So oh. 140 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, this is way way, way, like we're talking 141 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 4: thirty thirty, forty years ago in some instances, so where 142 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 4: it's like just or thirty years ago, so instances where 143 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 4: long before any of these, any of his crimes had 144 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 4: come to life, long before I mean know the rest 145 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 4: of the story. We've been over it so many times, 146 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 4: where he was evicted from mar A Lago for his behavior, 147 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 4: and then Trump actually goes to the lawyers of the 148 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 4: victims to say, how can I help you to put 149 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 4: this guy away? Because he's a bad guy. And what 150 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 4: we're seeing again over and over are pictures of him 151 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 4: of Epstein, as well as some emails with Prince or 152 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 4: i should say former Prince Andrew. A fake passport is 153 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: something that just came out, which is something that's really interesting. 154 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 4: I mean, this is happening all live. It was an 155 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 4: Austrian passport, talked about businesses in West Africa and Saudi Arabia. 156 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 4: I mean really just a lot of just a lot 157 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 4: of random things that are coming out like crazy. 158 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 3: Right now, let's go ahead and get President Trump was 159 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 3: asked about this. Let's play one ninety one. 160 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 7: I know there are a lot of people that are 161 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 7: angry about all of the pictures of other people, you know, 162 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 7: but I think it's sterile. Look, no, I don't like 163 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 7: the pictures of Bill Clinton being shown. I don't like 164 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 7: the pictures of other people being shown. I think it's 165 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 7: a terrible thing. I think Bill Lyndon's a big boy, 166 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 7: he can handle it. 167 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 8: But you probably have pictures being exposed of other people 168 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 8: that innocently met Jeffrey Epstein years ago, many years ago, 169 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 8: and they're you know, highly respected bankers and lawyers and others, 170 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 8: and they'll end up because of guys like Massiew's a 171 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 8: real low life. What this whole thing is with Epstein 172 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 8: is a way of trying to deflect from the tremendous 173 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 8: success that the Republican Party has. 174 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: You know, this feels pretty consistent with Trump's original kind 175 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 3: of objection to this, you know, and we have to 176 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: remember that if they had something on Trump, it would 177 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 3: have been weaponized by the Biden administration, you know, ten 178 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 3: times over. So or this does. 179 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 5: Turn that around. Yeah, if they have something on Clinton. 180 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 6: I feel like the Trump admin would probably want to 181 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 6: He has a big, pretty big beef with the Clintons. 182 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 3: I'm well, actually Trump Trump is saying, listen, I've always 183 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 3: gotten along with Bill. He's been good to me. I've 184 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: been good to him. I actually don't kind of getting 185 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 3: inside the psyche of President Trump, I actually don't think 186 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: he has like a bone to pick with Bill Clinton 187 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 3: per se. Maybe Hillary more so, but yeah, I think 188 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 3: Trump Trump knows a lot of these guys, kind of 189 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 3: knows the situation that some of the innocent ones are 190 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 3: put in. It just feels like he's being consistent. But 191 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 3: you know, the admin was pressured, you know, he takes 192 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 3: a shot at Thomas Massey right there to be more transparent. 193 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: So he's doing He's doing what he's got to do politically. 194 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 3: But I think he actually seems to be fairly disgusted 195 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: with the fact that one of the act here. 196 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 4: Well, one thing I was to mention is there is 197 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 4: a very strange letter to Larry Nasser. Larry Nasser, who 198 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 4: we know also went to prison and is in prison 199 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 4: for these same type of crimes, that Epstein wrote a 200 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 4: letter to him saying as you know by now I 201 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 4: have taken the short route home. Good luck. We shared 202 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 4: one thing, our love and caring for young ladies and 203 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 4: the hope they'd reach their full potential. 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Let's go one ninety nine. 230 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: This is Joe Scarborough on his reaction to the Epstein files. 231 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 9: One of the great mysteries to me and a lot 232 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 9: of other people is we've had reporting for some time 233 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 9: Donald Trump is not on Epstein's list. There's nothing in 234 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 9: there that's really damning about Donald Trump. And as Susie 235 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,239 Speaker 9: Wilde says, not damning about Donald Trump. 236 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: Are Bill Clinton. 237 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 9: So one of the great mysteries all along in this 238 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 9: not been like, what's Donald Trump hiding? 239 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: What did he do? 240 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 5: Da da da da say? 241 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 9: Why if he's not in these files, which all the 242 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 9: reporting says he's not Why is he so obsessed on 243 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 9: blocking access to the files? Is he trying to protect somebody? 244 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: So I mean, what do you think. 245 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 6: I guess what I would say is I feel like 246 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 6: that's actually the case for a lot of the people 247 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 6: in this I'm seeing the stuff that's going viral, and 248 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 6: what a lot of this is. 249 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 5: It's photographs of people. 250 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 6: Hanging out and then they black out the faces and 251 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 6: that's used to create the implication there's a super savage, 252 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 6: sinister crime. But what you will basically just have is 253 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 6: you have Bill Clinton getting photos with people, you have 254 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 6: Bill Gates getting photos with people, you have people having 255 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 6: photos with Epstein. And I think it gets back to 256 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 6: what President Trump said, which I think is reasonable. He's 257 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 6: pointed out a lot of people met Epstein. He was 258 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 6: a huge socialite. And when you just release a giant 259 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 6: pile of photographs you can of someone who's become an 260 00:12:55,080 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 6: infamous figure, you basically tar everyone by association. And I 261 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 6: guess I would caution everyone to take a step back 262 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 6: and think, what do we really have proof of what 263 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 6: has actually been litigated in court? Because, for example, a 264 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 6: lot of these cases when they have gone to court, 265 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 6: people have either they've gone to court, like Alan Dershowitz 266 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 6: was able to sue Virginia Guffrey and she had to 267 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 6: admit she just was lying about him. Or we have 268 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 6: cases where a lot of this has been a funny 269 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 6: pattern that's been going on throughout the case this year, 270 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 6: where a lot of the victims have just been saying 271 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 6: they've been saying, release the names, release the names, but 272 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 6: they won't name names themselves. And I think a justifiable 273 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 6: reason for skepticism there is they don't want to name 274 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 6: names themselves because they actually don't have evidence, and they're 275 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 6: basically worried about getting sued for defamation, and they wanted 276 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 6: others to do the work for them to justify allegations 277 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 6: that they could kind of get away with making without 278 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 6: being as facing as much risk of actual defamation. 279 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 5: It just the whole thing feels very off to me. 280 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 3: Jack, you're kind of a contrarian voice in this space 281 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 3: a little bit as well. I mean, I mean, where 282 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: would you put yourself on the spectrum of Like he 283 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 3: was this mastermind international pedophile ring leader with compromide on 284 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 3: the world's leaders versus he was just kind of like 285 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 3: a kinky, gross, disgusting like sex you know, pass that 286 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: was connected to a few international leaders. Maybe he was 287 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: working with the CIA, Masad whatever where. Like, there's so 288 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 3: many options of what the truth is here, it's hard 289 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 3: to make sense of it. 290 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I see what the DOJ is putting out, 291 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 4: but I also watch Mike Ben's and all the stuff 292 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 4: that he's putting out as well. He's very well documented 293 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 4: these links between Epstein and intelligence. He talks about his 294 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 4: connections to Iran Contra, his connections to ad Non Koshogi, 295 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 4: the money that was being runner around. Yes, that's right, 296 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 4: the father of Jamal Koshogi, and so's it's really interesting 297 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 4: when you look at some of this stuff and the 298 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 4: networks that he was in, and then certainly there are 299 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 4: questions on who was running who was he an asset? 300 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 4: Was he an operative? But I really do think that 301 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 4: there's a lot more to this than I think than 302 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 4: meets the eye. But when it comes to what Blake 303 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 4: is saying, I can appreciate what Blake saying because when 304 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 4: you go to court, you absolutely need evidence and you 305 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 4: need to be able to stand these things up on evidence. 306 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 4: So what I would also say, though, is if the 307 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 4: DJ has this evidence, then we should put it out 308 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 4: or at least make it available to any of the 309 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 4: victims should they want to sue. And I believe that 310 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 4: a number of the victims are getting restitution from the 311 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 4: Estate of Epstein, and I think they deserve that. But 312 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 4: if there are people out there, like former Prince Andrew 313 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 4: or others who are involved in crimes, then absolutely you 314 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 4: have to use the evidence. Like that's the whole point. 315 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 4: We have the government. This whole point, we have the 316 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 4: Department of Justice. You investigate the crimes. You don't make 317 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 4: the victim have to investigate themselves, right, that's the point. 318 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 4: That's why we have the government. 319 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: Jack, one more question here before we got to go, 320 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 3: what do you make of this video that was circulating 321 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 3: around Yesda it seemed to show and the timestamp lined 322 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 3: up with his suicide or murder. However you want to 323 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 3: look at it, whether it showed him potentially committing suicide 324 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 3: that you checked into that, Yeah. 325 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that ended up being a recreation that 326 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 4: was not an actual video. That was something that possibly 327 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: was done as a recreation, CGI kind of thing to say, 328 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 4: you know, if he did it, here's a way he 329 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 4: possibly anatomically could have done it. Possibly something they were 330 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 4: looking at during the autopsy. Different things like that can 331 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 4: be created when you're ongoing. 332 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 3: Because it was but I think it was in the 333 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: DJ file. It was in the you could actually access 334 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 3: it online. It was very interesting. Yeah, I guess it 335 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 3: was a recreation. Jack Mesobic, thanks for walking us through that. 336 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: Lots of lots to pars through their human events daily. 337 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 3: Check out his show every day at two pm Eastern. 338 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: Merry Christmas, Jack, thanks for everything you're doing. 339 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 4: Merry Christmas. 340 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: Candles were lit on Bondai Beach by families, by children, 341 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 3: by people of faith to celebrate a festival of Light, 342 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 3: a festival from Bible Times, one that Jesus himself celebrated. 343 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 3: People gathered with hope, seeking unity and comfort and tradition, 344 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 3: but instead of light, there was darkness, violence, fear, hatred 345 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: showing itself at a time meant for prayer and rejoicing. 346 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 3: Times like this remind us that even with the ceasefire 347 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 3: in Israel, Jewish people are being targeted simply because of 348 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 3: their faith, and times like this remind us why the 349 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 3: International Fellowship of Christians and Jews exists to stand in 350 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 3: the gap, providing safety and security to God's people. 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All right, 360 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 3: without further ado, We're going to talk some family business 361 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 3: with Sean Davis. He is the right guy to do 362 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 3: it because you know, there's a lot of Johnny Come Lately's, 363 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 3: there's a lot of there's a lot of new blood 364 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 3: in the movement, and that's a good thing. But sometimes 365 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 3: they don't know how the They don't know how the 366 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 3: sausage is made. They don't know how the coalition came 367 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 3: together in the first point in the first part. So 368 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 3: Sean Davis from the Federalists, one of the good guys 369 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: out there. Man, does he know how to tweak the left? Sean, 370 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. 371 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me Merry Christmas. 372 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I tried to get you to go to Amfest, 373 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 3: but you were adamant that you had other plans. It's 374 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 3: not for me to divulge what you were doing instead 375 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 3: of coming to Amfest. But I wanted to get you. 376 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to go there, it's fine 377 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 3: with It's fine with me. But something to do with 378 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 3: Bambie I don't know. But if if you were on 379 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 3: the outside looking in and Amfest, you got to see 380 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 3: all the reactions to it, the reactions of the speeches, 381 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 3: to the disagreements, all of these things I want. I 382 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: wanted your help to make sense of it. Sean, what 383 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 3: what do you make of the reactions? But the good 384 00:18:58,440 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 3: and the bad? 385 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 10: Yeah, I was up in a tree stand hunting, not Bamby, 386 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 10: but Bambi's dad last week, which was awesome, got him. 387 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 3: Good. I saw the fruits of your labor, and I'm impressed. 388 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: I'm impressed. 389 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: They're gonna be delicious. 390 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 10: I got to tell you what I've always loved about Amfest. 391 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 10: I love the energy. I love the number of people 392 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 10: you can get in there. Just like the logistical feat 393 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 10: of pulling something like that off, let alone in a 394 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 10: year like this really blows my mind. 395 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: But the thing that I have. 396 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 10: Always loved about it, about Charlie in particular and kind 397 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,959 Speaker 10: of the whole TPUSA vibe, is how ecumenical it is. 398 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 10: He will have or had people all the time where 399 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 10: I was like, Yeah, I don't really like that guy, 400 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 10: and then there'd. 401 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 1: Be people who would be like, oh, yeah, that guy's awesome. 402 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 10: And I think that's kind of what makes the movement great, 403 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 10: is that we don't have to always agree on everything 404 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 10: all the time for the same reasons, and so I 405 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 10: like having the people up there who can disagree, who 406 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 10: can do it respectfully, because the whole point here is 407 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 10: to build a coalition and that can win elections and 408 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 10: then do what needs to be done to save our country. 409 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 10: So that's what I loved about AMPS this year in particular, 410 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 10: after everything that's happened, is it would have been easy 411 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 10: to just retreat in on yourself and become very kind 412 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 10: of self referential and self focused, and instead the focus 413 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 10: state on the country and the movement and everyone who's 414 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 10: within it, even the people I don't agree with all 415 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 10: the time. 416 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, well said I mean, and Blake, I want to 417 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 3: bring you in for this as well. I mean, there 418 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 3: just seems to be though this there's a rising tide 419 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 3: of voices that are calling for denouncing certain voice to 420 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 3: other people that they want to see the disavow very publicly. 421 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 3: They want to see. You know, it just seems like 422 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 3: we hadn't been in that that posture, you hadn't heard 423 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 3: as much of that tone, and all of a sudden 424 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 3: there's there's a lot of voices saying we got to 425 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 3: disavow this, we gotta say this, we gotta we gotta 426 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 3: block this, and I think a lot of it is 427 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 3: a proxy war with JD ahead of twenty twenty eight. 428 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 3: But I leave it to you guys, Blake, you first, 429 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: what do you make of this this? I mean, because 430 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 3: you you have a you have a little bit of 431 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 3: sympathy I think for that as well. But you're you're 432 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 3: much more reserve, reserved and restrained. 433 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 5: Well, I think I think you want to you have 434 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 5: to divorce. 435 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 6: I think demands that you disavow, that you exclude someone aggressively. 436 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 5: I we know how. 437 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 6: Charlie had a lot of resistance to that, understandably, so 438 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 6: he hated what he called moral blackmail. 439 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 5: That was the line he used uh, But I. 440 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 6: Don't think we saw too much of that. I think 441 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 6: we saw a lot of people trying to characterize it 442 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 6: that way. But I think what we saw was you 443 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 6: saw an aggressive posture about how what we should be 444 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 6: talking about, what we should care about most, uh, what 445 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 6: is good or bad behavior? I think, I know, let's 446 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 6: just stay the elephant in the room. A lot of 447 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 6: people are reacting specifically to what Ben Shapiro said immediately 448 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 6: after Erica spoke, and I don't think Ben was saying 449 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 6: we need to aggressively cancel people. I think he was 450 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 6: saying he was disappointed in how a lot of people had. 451 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 5: Handled certain topics. 452 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 6: And I think in response to that, many people said, oh, 453 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 6: he's trying to cancel us. I think Ben was going 454 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 6: about it in the way Ben does. Ben is a 455 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 6: very blunt guy. He's going to say exactly what he 456 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 6: means and exactly what he's angry about. And I think 457 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 6: that's going to some people are going to really like that. 458 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 6: Some people are going to find it really irritating, and 459 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 6: that's just that's part of his brand. That's been his 460 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 6: brand for a decade. But I think on the ground, 461 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 6: among attendees, we saw a lot of people who frankly, 462 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 6: they enjoyed what Ben said and what Megan said, what 463 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 6: Tucker said, And I think that's really how a lot 464 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 6: of the bass feels. 465 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 5: I think the people who are getting angry enough to. 466 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 6: Boot others out are kind of a pretty small slice 467 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 6: of the coalition overall. 468 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're loud online though, right, Sean. I mean 469 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 3: that's why I wanted to get your perspective in because 470 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 3: to Blake's point, there was there was people in the 471 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 3: audience that like, what what are we fighting about? That? 472 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 3: People had no idea like that. There was that there 473 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 3: was like a you know, a kind of a family 474 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 3: business fight happening, right uh. And then you had people 475 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 3: that were like, we we actually did a show hands 476 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 3: and our members podcast room, and we said who likes 477 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 3: Ben's approach? And about half the hands went up? And 478 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 3: then we're like, who likes Tucker's approach? About half the 479 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 3: hands went up. So it was like it was a 480 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 3: very mixed crowd, a very mixed reception to that. And 481 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 3: to Blake's point, I didn't hear Ben saying we need 482 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 3: to cancel people. Ben was just saying, you know, here 483 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 3: here are my lines, here are my lines in the sand, 484 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 3: you know, take him or leave him. And you know 485 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 3: he wasn't calling us to cancel people either. He was 486 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 3: just sort of festivus for the rest of us. He 487 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 3: was airing his grievances in a public place, and you 488 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 3: know that was his Yeah, we don't, we don't. We 489 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 3: don't tell anybody what to say actually at these things. 490 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 3: So you from the outside, but there is this loud 491 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 3: contingent on x and other forums that are saying it's 492 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 3: time to sort of excommunicate this or that or this 493 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 3: person or that person. 494 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 10: Yeah, and I mean that's to be expected online. This 495 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 10: is politics, and politics is all about getting your way 496 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 10: so that someone else who you disagree with can't get 497 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 10: their way. So like that's it's just kind of part 498 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 10: and parcel of how politics works. 499 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 5: Again, what I have. 500 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 10: Always liked is the ecumenicalism of TPOSA and the movement 501 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 10: in general. And like my personal philosophy on this is, 502 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 10: if you're within the movement, define it as loosely as 503 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,239 Speaker 10: you like. If you're putting points on the board, if 504 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 10: you are bringing people to the table and you're moving 505 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 10: the ball where we need to go, I'm good with you. 506 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 10: Even if I might disagree with you on a whole 507 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 10: bunch of stuff, and that goes for Tucker and Megan 508 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 10: and you and Ben Shapiro and Nicki Minaj or anyone else. 509 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 10: If you were rowing with us and you're not actively 510 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 10: trying to hurt the movement and hurt the country, there's 511 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 10: a there's there's a lot that I can tolerate of disagreement, 512 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 10: and so I think it's good to have that. And 513 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 10: the other thing to recognize is we're never going to 514 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 10: agree with everyone all the time. I don't agree with 515 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 10: my wife on everything all the time. I don't agree 516 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 10: with my kids on everything all the time. I have 517 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 10: debates in my own head with myself on issues back 518 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 10: and forth. So like it's hard to get full agreement 519 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 10: with people you know and love and care about a 520 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 10: trillion percent, imagine how much more difficult it is going 521 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 10: to be to agree with everyone all the time, people 522 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 10: who you don't know, with different backgrounds and different priorities. 523 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 10: And then you talk about kind of like the online nature, 524 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 10: and there really. 525 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: Is such a big divide. 526 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 10: If you live your entire life on the internet with 527 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 10: the screen in front of you, you are going to 528 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 10: have a very different perspective of where the country is 529 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 10: than if you don't do that. And it obviously, you know, 530 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 10: Twitter or x isn't real life, but it can be 531 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 10: reflective of it. So I don't want to dismiss the 532 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 10: online debates because they're important and they do they do 533 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 10: mean something and they represent real people. But it's important 534 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 10: to be out there talking to normal people, talking to 535 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 10: people who are not online, who are not political obsessives, 536 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 10: because as much as it may pain people like us 537 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 10: to hear we are political obsessives, most people are not 538 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 10: like us. 539 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: They don't look at. 540 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 10: The world through the lens that we look through it. 541 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 10: And so it's just great to have thirty thousand people, 542 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 10: especially young people, who are forming their own worldview and 543 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 10: their own opinions and getting their perspective, and when they 544 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 10: are out there saying the people who were there, yeah, yeah, 545 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 10: half of us liked it and half of us didn't. 546 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 10: That seems to me like you've struck a pretty good 547 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 10: balance on how to represent the whole of the movement. 548 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think that's you're echoing so much 549 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 3: of what Jad said in his speech. You know, I 550 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 3: let's go ahead and play some sound from him. One 551 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 3: twenty five, all of you, each and everyone. 552 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 6: President Trump did not build the greatest coalition in politics 553 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 6: by running. 554 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 4: His supporters through endless, self. 555 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 3: Defeating purity tests. 556 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 10: He says, make a America great again, because every American 557 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 10: is invited. 558 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 3: We don't care if you're white or black, rich or poor, 559 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 3: young or old. And he keeps going on, right he 560 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 3: he He made this point a lot of times. And 561 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 3: it's not that he didn't put boundaries in this speech. 562 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 3: I mean he he basically he condemned anti semitism, He 563 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 3: condemned racism, anti white racism, anti Asian racism, and lifted 564 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 3: up merit merit, merit merit. So I sort of just 565 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 3: wonder if people, you know, if they if he didn't 566 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 3: straight up say I condemn Nick Fuentes in this speech. 567 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 3: I wonder if anybody would have been like that crowd 568 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 3: would have been happy. You know, he didn't have to 569 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 3: say some people's names. 570 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 5: Which he doesn't. Did condemn him by name the next day, right. 571 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean because he came after his wife, right, 572 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 3: So JD put a big line in the sand on 573 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 3: that and that front. But like listen, I think the 574 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,239 Speaker 3: message was clear. I think ninety percent of people heard it, 575 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 3: but I think there's a loud minority online that is 576 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 3: just not going to be happy until you know everybody's 577 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 3: getting like, you know, going full Ben Shapiro on taking 578 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 3: a howitzer to everybody else in the movement. Yeah. 579 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 10: So I think it's when people are doing that, they 580 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 10: are pretending to be mad about mad at him about 581 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 10: one thing, when they're actually mad about another thing. And 582 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 10: with JD, foreign policy is the main thing. JD is 583 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 10: not an interventionist, he's not a neocon. He's very much 584 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 10: a realist and someone who having been involved in America's 585 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 10: wars personally understands that, you know, we need to be 586 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,719 Speaker 10: a lot more circumspective about how we get in. And 587 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 10: so when people go after him, it's really a proxy 588 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 10: battle over foreign policy. And I think a lot of people, honestly, 589 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 10: I wish they were just more honest about what the 590 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 10: real issue is, rather than trying to pretend it's something else. 591 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 11: This is Lane Schomberger, chief investment officer and founding partner 592 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 11: of REFI. It has been an honor and a privilege 593 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 11: to partner with Turning Point and for Charlie to endorse us. 594 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 11: His endorsement means the world to us, and we look 595 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 11: forward to continuing our partnership with Turning Point for years 596 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 11: to come. 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And the thing that perplexes me 625 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 10: to this day what do they do in having a 626 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 10: work party on Christmas Eve? 627 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: It's crazy, It's crazy. 628 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 6: It was a Christmas party. It was their Christmas party 629 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 6: for the office. But yeah, it was way too late. 630 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 6: It is too late my favorite Christmas movie? First of all, 631 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 6: say Diehard definitely not a Christmas movie. It came out 632 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 6: in the summer. It's just a movie set during Christmas. 633 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 6: That is not the same. And then I would say 634 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 6: my favorite you know, you don't hear about it as much. 635 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 6: I think I might fall back on on Home Alone. 636 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 5: Home Alone is a really good movie. 637 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 6: It's got really good Christmas themes, not just the funny stuff, 638 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 6: the stuff with the man with his daughter, his a 639 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 6: strange son. That stuff is really beautiful to watch as 640 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 6: an adult. I didn't appreciate it as much as a kid. 641 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 6: I really love that stuff. 642 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 5: I should watch it again. 643 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 3: This is Christmas. Oh, I have the dude abides Christmas sweater. Yes, 644 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 3: that is the dude from Big Lebowski. You can judge 645 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 3: me all you want, but the dude abides. Yes. Diehard 646 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 3: is a Christmas movie. Yes, it was released in the summer, 647 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 3: but it was a set on Christmas eve. Man, It's 648 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 3: like it's perfectly situated. It lives eternally. This is why 649 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 3: every Christmas it's on the Christmas watch lists streaming. 650 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 6: No, this is like a gen x irony thing, like 651 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 6: it's funny to go haha. 652 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 5: It's set during Christmas. 653 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 6: It's technically a Christmas movie, but it's just it is 654 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 6: a movie set during Christmas. It doesn't have any Christmas 655 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 6: themes about yes, damn. 656 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 3: Come on reuniting with his wife. I mean they're like. 657 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 6: Movie way like the lesson of Diehard is then like 658 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 6: you can you can like get back with your wife 659 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 6: by killing a bunch of terrorists. 660 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 5: Not like that. Everyone knows that, you know, getting over 661 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 5: your hang ups or something. 662 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 3: You know it's oh my god. Well listen, I gotta 663 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 3: take your shoes Blank for Studio agrees with me, and yeah, 664 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 3: Posto's chiming into. He says, The Lion, the Witch and 665 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:22,959 Speaker 3: the Wardrobe is a Christmas movie. 666 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 10: I gotta take your shoes on irony thing that that's 667 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 10: a millennial affectation. Gen X doesn't do faux irony. That's 668 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 10: very much a millennial thing effect. 669 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: Well, how dare you think? 670 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 3: Right here? So the but my favorite Christmas movie is 671 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 3: absolutely It's a wonderful life and I love I love 672 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 3: like the nineteen eighties what is it nineteen eighty three 673 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 3: Christmas Carol or something. I forget what I forget. I 674 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 3: just I know we have it on the the we 675 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 3: bought it, so we watch it. I forget which one 676 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 3: it is, but it was like the nineteen eighties one 677 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 3: and my daughter actually loves it and she's seven, and 678 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 3: it's so I like watching it with her. That's my 679 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 3: whole plan. Everybody's like, what are you doing this Christmas? 680 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 3: I'm watching Christmas movies. As soon as I'm done today, 681 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 3: I'm clocking out, turning the phone off. We're doing hot 682 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 3: cocoa and pajamas and we're watching Christmas movies. I plan 683 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 3: to gain at least four pounds. 684 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 6: Hot coco to insulate yourself from the cold sixty five 685 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 6: degree wins of Santa Barbara. 686 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, listen, I'm trying to I'm trying to stay warm. 687 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 3: I will tell you so, Hey, Sean, let me know 688 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 3: what you think here. So, I think a lot of 689 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 3: these battles just sorry, I got to make it serious 690 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 3: for the last three minutes we have here. A lot 691 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 3: of these battles are just a proxy about foreign policy. 692 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 3: Why is that issue in particular? Is it just because 693 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 3: the military industrial complex? Is it because there's so much 694 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 3: money involved? It's like, you know, people's tribalism on display. 695 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 3: What what drives the foreign policy debate? When we have 696 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 3: a whole country to govern? Why is that always such 697 00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 3: a big deal. 698 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a good question. Obviously. 699 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 10: I think the money involved is a big thing. You know, 700 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 10: how many trillions of dollars did we spend in Iraq 701 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 10: and Afghanistan? And then when those were finally wound down, 702 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 10: it magically was transferred to like half a trillion dollars 703 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 10: to Ukraine. Now we're suddenly talking about maybe regime change 704 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 10: in Venezuela, which obviously would be a terrible idea. So 705 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 10: money is a huge thing. I also think there is 706 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 10: a very large I don't want to say it's totally 707 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 10: moral blackmail, but people really enjoy patting themselves on the 708 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 10: back for being compassionate and willing to spend other people's 709 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 10: lives and other people's money to do things which they 710 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 10: think are morally right to do. It's kind of the 711 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 10: COVID nannying, but taken to a foreign policy extent. Oh, 712 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 10: I'm not doing this to help myself. I'm trying to 713 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 10: keep you safe. I think there is a large segment 714 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 10: of people who really really enjoy the moralizing aspect of it, 715 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 10: almost like the stolen moral valor aspect of it. I 716 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 10: think it's that plus the plus the money. And then 717 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,399 Speaker 10: also there are people who just genuinely think we need 718 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 10: to be involved everywhere. Why are we big and powerful 719 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 10: and why do we have this role if we're not 720 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 10: just gonna go be the world police. 721 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 1: I think there are people who legitimately believe that. 722 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, Charlie used to rail against people 723 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 3: being fixated and fascinated about foreign abstractions. It's somehow I 724 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 3: think Honestly, when you get into a position of power 725 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 3: or political office, it's easier to sort of think about 726 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 3: others far and away and ignore the problems right at 727 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 3: your doorstep because those are harder and and you know 728 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,959 Speaker 3: it might reflect poorly on your own self. So blake 729 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 3: take us home. 730 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think Sean's exactly right. People do 731 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 6: get they get fixated on these big, abstract thing I think, honestly, 732 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 6: it's almost I think it's a lot of people who 733 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 6: get into politics and get into government are kind of 734 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 6: nerds and dorks and they remember being kids and they 735 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 6: liked the idea, Oh, I'm moving these like big the 736 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 6: I can move these armies. It'd be so cool if 737 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 6: I was Alexander the Great. It'd be so cool if 738 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 6: I was Napoleon. And then they get into government and 739 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 6: they kind of get to fill these fantasies. That sounds 740 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,439 Speaker 6: like the wrong word gods when that comes to mind. Yeah, 741 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 6: god complex or just self importance, a lot of self importance. 742 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 6: And you certainly see that in DC all the time, 743 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 6: and it's really annoying. 744 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 3: And this Christmas season, we remember that Jesus came to earth. 745 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 3: He's God and we are not him. So that's our 746 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 3: message to all the godlike complex folks. Thanks Sean, we'll 747 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 3: see soon. 748 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas. 749 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 10: For more on many of these stories and news you 750 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 10: can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com