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The Islamic Regime Iran 38 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: have responded to the meetings that took place between the 39 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: Americans and themselves in oman So wit Coff and Kushner 40 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: from the American side and the head of Sentcom, which 41 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: really annoyed them the uranium Islamic regime. 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: Of course, it was. 43 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: Essentially the reaction from the fake Foreign Minister, complete defiance, arrogance, 44 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: mockery are so condescending, and that about nails it to. 45 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: Be honest, but what would you expect? 46 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: And to be honest, their skepticism, of which there is plenty, 47 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: is unsurprising and very valid. To be honest, it should 48 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: be incredibly healthy. The Islamic regime should not believe a 49 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: thing the Americans tell them, should not believe a word. 50 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: We reference it often on this show. 51 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: The Twelve Day War, Trump's promise to give them a 52 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: couple of weeks and then wham bam, thank you mam. 53 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: The Israelis went in and the Americans finished off the job. 54 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: So the fake foreign Minister has come out and been 55 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: very very pointed in his response. And again I reference 56 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: different words off the top that gave away the time. 57 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: But let me get a little bit more specific for you. 58 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: So Aragachi has said there's no stopping the uranium enrichment. 59 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: Now that's a kind of a deal doesn't exist without 60 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: an element. The Americans have said they will not compromise 61 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: on that aspect. The Israelis have said they won't compromise 62 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: on ballistic missiles. The fake Foreign Minister of the Islamic 63 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: regime has said no stopping ballistic missiles as well. So 64 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: he's come out and essentially said the things that the 65 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: Americans slash Israel, who would play a part in this, 66 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: you would think, given their proximity in the region, and 67 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: they're likely to be the ones that the Islamic regime 68 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: hit back on first. Also US Bass by the way, 69 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: they've just come out and said they will strike back 70 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: if there's any American attack and hit US spaces in 71 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: the region. But what is the point, you'd say, if 72 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: they're coming straight out, not even kind of using loose language, 73 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: but they're saying, we will not stop in reach of 74 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: uranium for their nuclear program, and we will not be 75 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: stopping in any way, shape or form the production of 76 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: ballistic missiles. 77 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: The Americans know this, we know this, They know this. 78 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: So again it leads to that theory are negotiations just 79 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: a way to build time and to prepare or for 80 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: the US to decide exactly what it wants to do, 81 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: what it can do, and how to then do it. 82 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: But as this time goes on and everyone kind of 83 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: just plays these games of diplomacy or whatever the hell 84 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: it is, innocent Aranians are dying. They're dying off the 85 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: back of a promise for help. They're dying off the 86 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: back of encouragement to go out and give their lives 87 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: for freedom, freedom they thought would be coming. So whatever 88 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: the hell everyone is doing in this space, whatever games 89 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: are going on, whatever elements of diplomacy that we are 90 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: not privy to, I get it. I understand, But for 91 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: the love of God, hurry up, hurry up. So at 92 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: least those on the ground, cold face giving their lives 93 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: have some idea of whether or not it's worth it. 94 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: And I know they say it's worth it. 95 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: I know that it's always worth it to fight for 96 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: your freedom, but not under false pretenses. There's no point 97 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: dying when there's no hope or chance. Die when there's 98 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: hope and a chance. And I think they deserve to know. 99 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: But I get the complexity of it. 100 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: It's just it's frustrating for everyone. 101 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: Trust in Trump is what we're told, and to be honest, 102 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: we don't have any other choice apart from that. Right now, 103 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: when it comes to what is going on on the 104 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: ground in Iran, President Trump is going to host Prime 105 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: Minister at Yahoo. He is brought forward. His trip is 106 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: going to be in Washington, DC on Wednesday. That doesn't 107 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: fill me with confidence necessarily, also the fact that Senator 108 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham, who has been unshakable in this space, he 109 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: started to soften his language a little bit when it 110 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: comes to a potential deal. But could that I'll be 111 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: playing into part of this kind of pulling the wool 112 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: over the regime's eyes. 113 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. 114 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: Nobody knows at this stage. Maybe President Trump knows, but 115 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: even then I don't know if he knows yet what 116 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: to do. The situation is ever evolving. But all I 117 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: know for sure is that while the rest of us 118 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: are trying to figure this out, innocent people in Iran 119 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: are dying, and that is heartbreaking. President Herzog of Israel 120 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: has arrived in Australia in the wake of the Bondai massacre, 121 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: and of course it goes without saying expect utter chaos, 122 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: protests and all the rest of it. And of course 123 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: people are absolutely within their rights to do so as 124 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: long as they are peaceful and laura abiding. But come on, 125 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: what other president or leader would ever be subjected to 126 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: this if they were coming to a country solely for 127 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: the purpose of providing comfort after the slaughter of fifteen 128 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: innocent people. It's unheard of. It wouldn't happen. Even those 129 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: who felt really strongly would say, Okay, it's kind of 130 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: it's not appropriate, it's not the right thing to do. 131 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: A community is in mourning, we should all be in mourning. 132 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: But no, there has already been so much division and 133 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: hate prior to his arrival. Now that he's here, you 134 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: watch it all unfold, the craziness that will take away 135 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: any element of comfort that this might have provided to 136 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: a community that desperately needed it. And he's here at 137 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: the invitation of the Australian Prime Minister. 138 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: But still he. 139 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: Will be smashed everywhere he goes. Everywhere that's meant to 140 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: be meaningful, that's meant to be purposeful, that's meant to 141 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: be about the preservation of life and meant to be 142 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: anti terror, will be hijacked by these hypocritical lefty lunatics 143 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: and of course the far right. They'll all be there 144 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: taking their shots. And the one group of people that 145 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: will lose entirely in this entire the higher thing, will 146 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: be the Australian Jewish community, who have already lost every 147 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: day since October seven. They have lost every single day. 148 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: And no they're not victims. 149 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: No, they fight back they're resilient, they're strong, they're amazing. 150 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: But come on, this should not become an exercise in annihilating. 151 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,239 Speaker 2: The state of Israel. 152 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: But it will, because again it's Israel, so you cannot 153 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: expect anything different. I'll have a guest on this week, 154 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: Marni Perlstein, who is amazing, who will talk to me 155 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: about Australia in the aftermath of the Bondai massacre. Guess what, 156 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: it wasn't a wake up call, not even a little bit. 157 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: In fact, things have gotten worse. Can you believe it? 158 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: It should not surprise anyone. I mean I initially hoped 159 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: it would be a wake up call, but I mean, 160 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: look how long it took after October seven for people 161 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: to start hating on Israel and the Jews and the 162 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: victims of that horrific attack. 163 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 2: Less than a day ours. 164 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: I mean, people were still being slaughtered in Israel and 165 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: people had turned So why would I have expected it 166 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: to be any different in Australia. I guess hope maybe 167 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: sometimes clouds your judgment. I had hoped, but that is 168 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: not to be the case. 169 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 2: Now. 170 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: President Trump's account on truth social posted a video featuring 171 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: the Obamas as apes, and there was swift blowback from 172 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: all from the typical kind of lefty democratic types, but 173 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: also from Trump supporters. And what I would say is this, 174 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: this is not one of those instances where I look 175 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: at it and go, okay, enough, who cares? 176 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 2: This was nothing. 177 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: You're all getting angry, You're trying to weaponize blah blah 178 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. 179 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: This video was dumb. It was really stupid. 180 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: It was offensive. And I am not into cancel culture. 181 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: I don't jump with the mob very clearly, but the 182 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: mob was right in this case, and the Trump administration 183 00:09:58,520 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: knew this. 184 00:09:58,920 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: They deleted the video. 185 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: Would I like Trump to apologize, Yes, I would Actually 186 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 1: I would like him to say I didn't do it, 187 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: I didn't see it. He's not a racist. There's no 188 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: way at all that Trump is a racist. 189 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: I know that. 190 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: I think most sensible people would look at him and 191 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: his policies and know that he is not a racist 192 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: at all. But this video was really dumb and really stupid. 193 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: And what it does and what annoys me so much 194 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: about it is that it enables his enemies, who would 195 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: politicize anything and use anything to attack him, to actually 196 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: have something kind of legitimate that's what I hate. 197 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: It takes away from all the other really good. 198 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: Things that he's doing. It's not a sackable offense. God, no, 199 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: it's it was really silly. It was on my account. 200 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: I take responsibility for it. I'm sorry for it. I 201 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: didn't post it. I wouldn't personally post it. Someone else did, 202 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: but it's my account, so I take responsibility. It was dumb, 203 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: and I'm sorry that even my own supporters and people 204 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: who are close to me and care about me were 205 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: hurt by it. 206 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: And then you move on. That's it. It's really not hard. 207 00:10:58,720 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: But if we're all going to be here. 208 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: And say, oh no, it was fine, it was fine, 209 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: it was fine, there were other animals or other people. 210 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: I get all of that, it still wasn't okay. And 211 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: you can't just be all in on someone all the time. 212 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: You've got to actually call things out when it's not 213 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: okay or else your voice has no credibility whatsoever. 214 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: So you can disagree with me on this one. Absolutely. 215 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: Do I think he's racist, No, not even a little bit. 216 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: Do I think that video was uctually ridiculous, stupid and defensive. 217 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely those two things are completely true, And I hate 218 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: that it hurts all the good things that he is doing, 219 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: and I hate that it gives legitimacy to those trying 220 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: to attack him, because that was a legitimate thing to 221 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: have to say, this is not okay. So I think 222 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 1: a quick swift I'm sorry, because that's legitimate. You should 223 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: apologize for that. A million other things. No way in hell, 224 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: but for that. I've not had the experience of people 225 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: who are coming up. But people I respect deeply, who 226 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: are very pro Trump, who are of African American heritage, 227 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: is saying deeply offensive. And do you know what, I 228 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: take their word for it. Not the others that would 229 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: weaponize it. Not the Democrats, no, but legitimate people who 230 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: I respect are saying not okay. 231 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: And that is enough for me. 232 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: Now, mom Dani, what exactly did he invoke during his 233 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: speech in New York City less than twenty five years 234 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: after September eleventh, Let's find out. 235 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: The story of the Hidra reminds us the prophet Muhammad 236 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: Sode Alali, who was seldom was a stranger too, who 237 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 3: fled Mecca and was welcomed in Medina. Suda Nahal sixteen 238 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 3: forty two tells us as for those who immigrated in 239 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: the cause of a law after being persecuted, we will 240 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: surely bless them with a good home in this world. 241 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: Or as the prophet Muhammad Salilali, who was seldom said, 242 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 3: Islam began as something strange and will go back to 243 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 3: being strange. So glad tidings to the strangers. 244 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: Ben Wangatten from Newsmax, a contributor there, thank you so 245 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: very much for joining us here on the Aaron Mullin Show. 246 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 4: Thanks so much for having me. It's a pleasure. Ben. 247 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: What was your initial reaction when you saw the mayor 248 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: of New York City essentially saying that we should all 249 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: do more to be more like Muslims and follow Islam. 250 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 4: Well, the context for this is really important. 251 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 5: This was an interfith meeting where he announced a policy 252 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 5: of essentially nullification, where the city is not going to 253 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 5: cooperate and make it very difficult for federal law enforcement 254 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 5: to get order withinside the interior of this country. Whether 255 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 5: or not he can even do that, I think lawfully, 256 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 5: is probably an open question. So I'm not surprised at 257 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 5: the outset that, first of all, he's trying to give 258 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 5: some kind of religious justification to a policy that most 259 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 5: Americans would find to be an asenine policy, maybe not 260 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 5: his constituents in New York City, But the far more 261 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 5: sinister potential rationale behind these comments is when you actually 262 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 5: look at what al hidra is, what the history is, 263 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 5: and if we had real journalists, perhaps they would actually 264 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 5: ask him why he invoked the hidra, what actually occurred 265 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 5: and transpired during the hidra, and how is that interpreted. 266 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 5: And so initially my alarm bells went off because you 267 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 5: have numerous jihadas groups who talk about al hidra as 268 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 5: a form of jihad by immigration, through refugee resettlement and 269 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 5: otherwise through the dispersion of Islamic populations throughout the world 270 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 5: to spread Islam. 271 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 4: Forcibly or peacefully. 272 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 5: Ultimately under the view that Islam is about conquest, it's 273 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 5: about dominance. The entire world needs to be under sharia law. 274 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 5: And of course sharia law is something that is totally 275 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 5: antithetical to the values, principles and governance that we have 276 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 5: embraced in the Judeo Christian West for hundreds of years. 277 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 4: So his invocation of that in particular. 278 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 5: Then when you look at you of course he's talked 279 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 5: about not wanting to dismiss the notion of globalized the Antifada. 280 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 5: Of course, this was someone who led a chapter of 281 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 5: Students for Justice in Palestine at Bodin, which is essentially 282 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 5: a Muslim brotherhood front group in this country. He surrounded 283 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 5: himself and embraced the likes of Sierra j voajaj An 284 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 5: Imam at a mosque which was the key node essentially 285 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 5: for the development of Jihadis plans in the First World 286 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 5: Trade Center bombing back in nineteen ninety three. And we 287 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 5: can go on and on about the litany of ties 288 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 5: and views, but Al Hidra itself is a seminal point 289 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 5: in Islamic history and vital in interpretation by Islamic supremacists 290 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 5: and others in this distinction between the Mecca period and 291 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 5: the Medina period and Mohammad's activities. 292 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 4: So Muhammad is in Mecca and. 293 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 5: Seeks to proselytize generally peacefully through the process of dhawa 294 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 5: which today really means subversion, subterviuge, propagation, disinformation, etc. To 295 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 5: stealthily advance a cause in ideological war, essentially on host countries. 296 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 5: But he is unsuccessful there and he goes to Medina. 297 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 5: And when you look at the transition in the Quranic 298 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 5: versus and other scholarly literature around Islam. And then obviously 299 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 5: what happened when he goes to Medina. At Medina, he 300 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 5: turns to violent jihad and warring on the tribes there 301 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 5: and ultimately massacring, according to historical accounts, hundreds of Jews 302 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 5: among others, and ends up having conquest in Medina and 303 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 5: ultimately shortly thereafter going back to Mecca and conquering Mecca 304 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 5: as well. So is that the model that Zoron Mamdani 305 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 5: wants to promote in the Western world. And then, as 306 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 5: I noted at the outset, you have any number of 307 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 5: Jihadis groups today who will reference al Hidra as being 308 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 5: a sort of a tactic that is being used in 309 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 5: the West. And we don't have to hypothesize and theorize 310 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 5: about this and talk about well, one school of Islam 311 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 5: is this interpretation, another school has this one. There's been 312 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 5: mass immigration from the Islamic world to the Western world 313 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 5: over the last several decades, and as the Muslim population 314 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 5: has grown in number, a percentage of that population has 315 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,479 Speaker 5: sought to exploit the freedoms in the West to advance 316 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 5: a cause that is totally antithetical to the West. And 317 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 5: that's not just through violent jihad and even using the 318 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 5: welfare system to subsidize and underwrite those activities, particularly in Europe, 319 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 5: it's to impose Sharia speech codes, blasphemy codes, so you 320 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:16,479 Speaker 5: can't criticize anything associated with the process that's actually going on. 321 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 5: You have social media companies, of course, who will censor 322 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 5: all manner of speech around these issues. We've of course, 323 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 5: everyone knows about the child grooming and gang raping in 324 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 5: the UK, for example, and we can go on and on, 325 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 5: but basically the imposition of their values, principles and faith 326 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 5: and a theopolitical ideology antithetical to the West on the West. 327 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 4: So the question for. 328 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 5: Mayor mom Donnie is knowing all that, what are you 329 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 5: disputes and why were you invoking the Hidra and what 330 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 5: do you mean by it? 331 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 4: And what do you want for New York and America. 332 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: I'll hold my breath. Well, so wait for mainstream media 333 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: journalists to ask him that. I mean, you know that'll 334 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: go for a long long time time. The silence that's 335 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: the issue, isn't it, Ben. I mean, you make the 336 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: point whether or not he actually has the power to 337 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: do that. Well, he tried to ban it and Yahoo 338 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: he said he would arrest him if he came to 339 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: New York City. He doesn't have the power to do that. 340 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: He doesn't care if he has the power. He just 341 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: says what he thinks will land with his base. And 342 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: the second point you make, it's not even so much 343 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: what he didn't set up there, because we know who 344 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: he is, we know what he wants. It's the acceptance 345 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: from the masses that thinks that that's okay, now that 346 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: this now has becoming normal, that we are mainstreaming a 347 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: mayor in America evoking the kind of incident that you 348 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,239 Speaker 1: just explain that most people would have no idea the 349 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: context of, and everyone just kind of smiles and nods 350 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: and goes about their day rather than going, what the 351 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: hell just occurred. That's more terrifying almost than what he's 352 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: saying and doing, because again. 353 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 2: We know who he is. 354 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 5: And think about the symbolic and substantive significance of this, 355 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 5: which is, this is New York City, and this is 356 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 5: less than t twenty five years, twenty five years after 357 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 5: nine to eleven, it would have been inconceivable and unimaginable. 358 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 5: And as someone who was born in New York raised 359 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 5: in New Jersey, had parents who worked in the city 360 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 5: and were there on nine to eleven, and has been 361 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 5: here my whole life essentially. To see that is utterly 362 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 5: it's beyond demoralizing and disturbing. 363 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 4: It's chilling, it's terrifying. 364 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 5: But to your point, for the general public, obviously, he 365 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 5: has his constituents in New York City, which was basically 366 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 5: the Democrat Socialist Party, who he called out in his 367 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 5: inaugural speech, and then beyond that the Democrat Muslim groups 368 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 5: in the city. But beyond that, the symbolic and substance 369 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 5: of significance is one thing, But there is the ignorance 370 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 5: on the part of the American people about what is 371 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 5: being said, why it is being said, when he knows 372 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 5: exactly what he is doing and who he is dog 373 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 5: whistling to. 374 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 4: And then there's the. 375 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 5: Fear of well, this is his view of Islam, and 376 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 5: we don't attack religion and towerant of other peoples in 377 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 5: this country. And my argument would be, I respect that 378 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 5: there are other religions and other world views, and you 379 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 5: have a responsibility if you acknowledge that there are other 380 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 5: world views, to actually understand them as the people themselves 381 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 5: understand them. We have a responsibility to know actually what 382 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 5: the ideology is and when and where that ideology may 383 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 5: conflict with the very values and principles on which our 384 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 5: civilization is best is based. 385 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: It's a great point and as well, if you are 386 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: going to vote for someone like him, understand what he 387 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: stands for. That is a personal responsibility, one which most 388 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: people will never take up or take. 389 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 2: Seriously because they're lazy. 390 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: And you know, people in the West just assume things 391 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: will always be okay, because we've had a period where 392 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: it has just been okay. Talk to me before I 393 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: let you go about the book he wrote five six 394 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: years ago, ilan Omar. This is not the first instance 395 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: we're seeing of this, are we? And again I urge 396 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: people look at the Muslim Brotherhood. They don't hide what 397 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: they're trying to do in the way in which they 398 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: are trying to go about it. 399 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 2: They put it out there. They've got mission statements, you 400 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: can read it. This is not new. 401 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: We're just fat, dumb and happy and allowing it to 402 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: occur right under our watch. 403 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 5: All I want us to do is go back to 404 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 5: the Muslim Brotherhood Explanatory Memorandum in nineteen ninety one on 405 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 5: what their plans were for North America, what the Brothers' 406 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 5: plans were in North America. 407 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 4: And it's all about stealth jihad. 408 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 5: It's about subverting our societies by exploiting our very freedoms 409 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 5: are tolerance, and using it against us. And it is 410 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 5: a perfect set of tactics, strategies and an ideology to 411 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 5: take advantage. 412 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 4: Of the freedoms that we enjoy in the West. 413 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 5: And I link that to my book because my book 414 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 5: is called American Ingrate. It's about ilhan Omar as personifying 415 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 5: the maybe present and certainly the future. When I wrote 416 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 5: this book back in twenty twenty of the Democrat Party 417 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 5: and the argument and what I sought. 418 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 4: To do was sort of look at Donald Trump. 419 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 5: He was cast as a Russian stooge, that there was 420 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 5: Lynx ties and coordination Russian collusion between Donald Trump and. 421 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 4: Vatim Rapoota and et cetera. 422 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 5: And so I said, well, let's apply the Lynks ties 423 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 5: and coordination sort of paradigm to ilhan Omar and what 424 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 5: would we find in terms of her ties to Islamic 425 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 5: supremacists foreign and domestic. And I go through chapter and 426 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 5: verse those ties in my book, which were incredibly disturbing 427 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 5: back then and have only grown since obviously, and beyond that, 428 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 5: I talk about the factor. I work through something, a 429 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 5: phenomenon that now everyone sees in a post October seventh world, 430 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 5: which is that the Left and the Islamic supremacists are united. 431 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 5: While they may differ in certain ideals, of course, you 432 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 5: know the perversions that the progressive left loves and embraces 433 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 5: the Islamis do not. However, they do both have a 434 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 5: common enemy, and that common enemy is Judeo Christian Western civilization. 435 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 4: And so in my. 436 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 5: Book I explained why jew hatred is the glue that 437 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 5: holds this tactical alliance together, but it is illustrative of 438 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 5: a broader hatred ultimately and need to ultimately dominate Judeo 439 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 5: Christian Western civilization for each of these sides to triumph. 440 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 5: So I worked through illahan Omer on the one end 441 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 5: and then the broader theme. And I think we've seen 442 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 5: it prove in in real time that thesis that she 443 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 5: represented the future, if not the present, of the party. 444 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: I think the greatest well visual symbol of what you're 445 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: talking about was Mom Danni in a strip club talking 446 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: about trans issues or something, and I just went you've 447 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: got to be kidding me. But that mutual hate, we 448 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: all know it. When you meet someone and you hate 449 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: the same person, there's nothing that brings you closer together. 450 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: You can overlook anything else, can't you when you share 451 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: a mutual hate. Ben, you are amazing. Thank you so 452 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: much for your incredible work in this space. It's so important, 453 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: and thank you so much for joining us here on 454 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: the Aaron Mullin Show. We really appreciate it. 455 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 4: Thank you for the opportunity. I really appreciate it as well. 456 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: Yes, the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie is it's so mystifying. 457 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: The Sheriff's department, they're still saying, no prime suspect, no 458 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: vehicles of interest despite having taken one, no people of interest. 459 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: We know nothing. Essentially, it's been over a week. 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Good to be with you. 500 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: This Guthrie case, aside from being completely heartbreaking, and anyone 501 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: who's got a mother, which is all of us who 502 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: has had one, just feels this on so many levels. 503 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 2: But it's also absolutely baffling. 504 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: What to you doesn't make sense so far in this 505 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: case and we're a week in now from when she 506 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: was taken. 507 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 7: Well, the timeline is a little is very odd to 508 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:55,719 Speaker 7: me for kidnappers that are supposedly or potentially this advanced 509 00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 7: and using bitcoin and coming up with this way to 510 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 7: kidnap somebody in ransom. So that happens a lot in Mexico. 511 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 7: All the time, it doesn't happen here, right, So for 512 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 7: this to happen here, it's not following the protocol what 513 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 7: you see in Mexico, where they are in contact with 514 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 7: the families, they do let them know that we have 515 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 7: these people, we are going to kill them. If you don't, 516 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 7: you know, give us the money. Oftentimes those people end 517 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 7: up dead anyway. But in this case, the timeline of 518 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 7: somebody going into the home and being in there for 519 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 7: approximately forty five minutes, that makes no sense to me. 520 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 7: And then the way the cameras went off or they 521 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 7: say that they went offline and then they showed movement 522 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 7: after that, I don't understand what they mean by that. 523 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 7: And then the non communication. These kidnappers are making demands, 524 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,959 Speaker 7: but they're well, let's let me let me say this. 525 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 7: The people who are making the demands are not making 526 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 7: it a two way communication. So there's no way that 527 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 7: a real advanced or a person who's somewhat understanding of 528 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 7: how these things work would make these demands without showing 529 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 7: proof of life, because the possibility and most likely the 530 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 7: result is that you're not going to get money. And 531 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 7: so that kind of leads me to wonder if those 532 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 7: people are opportunists. It could even be somebody that she knows. 533 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 7: It's an opportunist. It could be somebody from India or 534 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 7: somebody from any of these other places that we have. Nigeria, 535 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 7: we have scams all the time, like not necessarily this, 536 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 7: but scams from far away. So that part is not 537 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 7: adding up to me. Plus, the forty five minutes in 538 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 7: the home almost appears to me of what we typically see. 539 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 7: And so I don't I go on statistics and I 540 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 7: look at statistics. I don't say that's what happened, but 541 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 7: I kind of refer back to those. Is that somebody 542 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 7: who knows an individual and is looking for something or 543 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 7: is committing a crime within that home, and then the 544 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 7: person wakes up, for instance, and then they have a 545 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 7: tussle with them, or they get in a fight with them, 546 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 7: or their rage pours out and they finally do what 547 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 7: they're wanting to do. That seems like a more likely 548 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 7: scenario than somebody to mill about for forty five minutes 549 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 7: and then injure somebody take them out and then make 550 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 7: unsubstantiated demands for money in return of their life. So 551 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 7: it's just it's not adding up to me. 552 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: Obviously, her daughter, very well known in America, a very 553 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: famous television presenter, very wealthy. But again you make the point, 554 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: this is not two way communication where they're requesting something 555 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: and then looking for a response to that or some 556 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: kind of exchange. Could this be motivated by something other 557 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: than money? Could this be about ideology? Could this be 558 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: revenge for something that Savannah Guthrie may have talked about 559 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: on air or done. 560 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 2: I mean, all these things. 561 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: I know this is you know, we're being We're not 562 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: dealing in facts here, but it's trying to understand what 563 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: a possible other motive could be if it's not financial. 564 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 7: So I don't think what Savannah Guthrie covers on a 565 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 7: typical basis is something that's going to inflame anyone, you 566 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 7: know what I mean, It's not She doesn't cover super 567 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 7: hot button topics as an investigative reporter. That's the type 568 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 7: of person that you might see get vitriol. I don't know. 569 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 7: I haven't looked at her ex or Twitter account, but 570 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 7: she doesn't seem like the type of person that's going 571 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 7: to get vitriol. Of course, there's your conspiracy theory people 572 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 7: out there that are saying that her husband's connected to 573 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 7: the Clintons and Epstein and all this stuff. But it's 574 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 7: still not something that I would venture into and put 575 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 7: any weight mind. But I would still put it on 576 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 7: a whiteboard and say this is a potential. But the 577 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 7: wealth part of it is something, and so people can 578 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 7: do research. I mean, look, they go in the obituaries 579 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 7: all the time and they try to find people who've 580 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 7: died and then go after their spouse is for fraud, 581 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 7: I mean, that occurs. So I think that there is 582 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 7: a potential that somebody outside of the family could be 583 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 7: involved in this. I know. I was just mentioning earlier 584 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 7: on Fox News that a friend of mine reached out 585 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 7: and said that they saw there's a brand new roof 586 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 7: on the building, on the home and they're in construction. 587 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 7: They said, there's a tremendous amount of felons in that industry, 588 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 7: especially in roofing. So that's how Elizabeth Smart was abducted. 589 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 7: You know, a guy was working on the roof, never 590 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 7: came back for a paycheck, and then showed up and 591 00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 7: kidnapped her through an open window. These are all possibilities, 592 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 7: but those seem more likely for somebody to be inside 593 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 7: of a home for forty five minutes, not somebody who's 594 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 7: going in to kidnap somebody. That just doesn't. 595 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: Make sense me, especially when the victim is in her 596 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: eighties and not particularly healthy or well, her ability to 597 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: fight back and struggle for half an hour forty minutes 598 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: would be minimal. There was talk early and obviously so 599 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: conscious of things that are not true and speculating, but 600 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: about it being maybe closer to home. The son in 601 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: law reportedly dropped her off, but the police aren't being 602 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: specific about who it was that dropped her off after 603 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: she had dinner with her daughter and her daughter's husband. 604 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: Why would that be do you think? 605 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: Why would they say a family member and not answer specifically, 606 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: whereas some publications have said it was her son in law. 607 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 7: Well, the sheriff I think, if I remember correctly, a 608 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 7: sheriff is the one who said it was a son 609 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 7: in law and then he backtracked later and said things 610 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 7: that were not specific. But the sheriff, I don't know 611 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 7: him personally. I know Sheriff Lamb who replaced and so 612 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 7: I don't know how professionally is his job. But some 613 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 7: people should just not be in front of a mic. 614 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 7: And if I was going to advise him I would say, 615 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 7: take yourself out of this. You know, I know you're 616 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 7: a politician, because sheriffs are politicians, but he's not doing 617 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:24,879 Speaker 7: himself or investigation any favors. But the possibility, Aaron, very 618 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 7: great possibility. Is it somebody that she's related to has 619 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 7: done this and is either trying to get money through bitcoin, 620 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 7: or they have nothing to do with that, or they 621 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 7: could have hired somebody and that's the way they're going 622 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 7: about it. But you know, if you watch if you 623 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 7: binge watch forty Hours Mysteries, and they do a fantastic 624 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 7: job of covering over thirty forty years as long as 625 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 7: that show has been on, you'll see that it is 626 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 7: not uncommon for family members to do absolutely horrific things. 627 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 7: And you can't write that off. You just cannot. I mean, 628 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 7: you have Samantha who is this famous newsperson, her brother's 629 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 7: a fighter pilot, and then you have a sibling in 630 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 7: the middle who's a poet, who's married to a guy 631 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 7: in a band. You know, I mean, it's so who knows. 632 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: I see exactly what you're saying, absolutely again in summary, 633 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,919 Speaker 1: praying clearly that she comes home and she's okay, it's 634 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: going to be messy and horrific. I think either way, 635 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: when it comes to the surface, what actually happened? What 636 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: is your prediction. We're a week out, she needs medication. 637 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,919 Speaker 1: There's been no proof of life that we've seen thus far. 638 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: Are you optimistic or not so much regarding the likelihood 639 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 1: of getting her back? 640 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 2: Okay, I just. 641 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 7: Look at statistics, and statistics show that that typically she 642 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 7: is not coming back alive. The further we get away 643 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 7: from the event and they're still not willing to show 644 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 7: proof of life. That also tells me that they probably 645 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 7: don't they're not able to prove the life. And also 646 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 7: they left her medication behind. If they really cared about her, 647 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 7: which they apparently said in one of these letters, that 648 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 7: she's healthy and aware of and she's scared. Well if 649 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 7: there that's kind of a soft message, you know, saying 650 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 7: that listen, she's alive, but she's scared, and you need 651 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 7: to pay us this money. But yet we didn't take 652 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 7: her heart medication with her and she's eighty something years old. 653 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 7: That shows me that they were not concerned with her life. 654 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 7: But now they're kind of showing or saying these people 655 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 7: that are doing the ransom, I'm still Aaron, I'm still 656 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 7: looking to this. It's two different cases. You have the 657 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 7: case of what occurred at that home and the case 658 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 7: of these ransom letters. And I'm not actually positive that 659 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 7: they're connected, except for the fact that it's about the 660 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 7: same person. 661 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're spot on as always, Jonathan. Thank 662 00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,399 Speaker 1: you so much for your time. Really appreciate it. 663 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 7: You got it. 664 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: I hope you've enjoyed this show. We love putting it 665 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: together for you. Thank you so much for your company. 666 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 2: A quick bit of fan feedback. 667 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: If you haven't watched my conversation, which was our weekend 668 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: special with Elliott Abrams, you need to. He advised Reagan 669 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 1: Bush Trump. He knows his stuff. 670 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 2: Back to front. 671 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: He's an expert on Iran, an expert on Venezuela, so 672 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: he's had a busy couple of months. Let me tell 673 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: you some of the feedback to our conversation. Thank you 674 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: for this interview, Aeron says Aristotle. Eron, you put your 675 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: whole heart and soul into your podcast. I absolutely do, 676 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: Udham says, brilliant, great broadcast. 677 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 2: Who else do we have? 678 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: Always Nature says it was awesome to see and hear 679 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: this man. One of the advisors of the past two 680 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: presidents still with President Trump's and listens to his wisdom. 681 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 2: Excellent job. 682 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: Sam Degan says, thank you for sharing the Iranian people's 683 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: story always. We've got Jacqueline Bevan as an ossium so 684 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: proud of you're exposing to the world. But the people 685 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,760 Speaker 1: have run are up against Stay safe God, bless Absolutely 686 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: agree with you on the fact that we need to 687 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,839 Speaker 1: expose what they're going through. Manuel says, thank your own 688 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: behalf of millions who want our kingdom back. Bob says, 689 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 1: you're an angel that the Uranian people will never forget. 690 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 2: No, bless you. 691 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: All I am doing is trying to be a mouthpiece 692 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: for an incredible group of people who don't have one 693 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: themselves in in Iran. Also saying hi, thank you for 694 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: sworting my people. A lot of those and a lot 695 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: of people saying how incredible. Stuart says, excellent guest, excellent interview. 696 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: I personally am growing impatient and concern that military support 697 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: in the aid of the Uranian people hasn't materialized as 698 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,240 Speaker 1: yet as more brave people get murdered by the vile 699 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: Islamic regime. 700 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 2: I get it. I get it, And Ben says This. 701 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: Terrorist regime is a threat not only for the Uranian people, 702 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: but also for the whole world. It's something that I 703 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: say day in, day out. You've nowded stay with us. 704 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: We've got a huge week coming up for you on 705 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: The Aaron Mollin Show Australia. We have gone backwards since 706 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 1: the Bondi massacre. It is a lesson for all countries 707 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: around the world. Some big name guests. 708 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,080 Speaker 2: We've got a former. 709 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense Veteran Affairs coming up as well this week. 710 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: Huge guests, huge shows. As always, we. 711 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 2: Love you all. Thank you so much for joining us.