1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: People are saying this. Past Olympics has been one of 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: the more politically significant since the nineteen thirty six per 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: Lynn Games, when Hitler and the Nazis ruled Germany. It 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: does feel a lot more political than past Olympics, with 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: some athletes even going on record saying they don't want 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: people to get the wrong idea because they are representing 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: the United States as an Olympic athlete, speedskater Hunter Hess, 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: for example, explained, I just kind of want to do 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: it for my friends and my family and the people 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: that supported me getting here. He later clarified, just because 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: I'm wearing the flag, it doesn't mean I represent everything 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: that's going on in the US. Using the very freedom 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: of speech guaranteed by a nation to refuse to praise 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: that nation while representing them is perhaps the ultimate display 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: of ingratitude. Two of the more compelling tales of this 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: are the stories of Eileen Gou and Alyssa Lu On paper, 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: the two are very similar, both are Californians of Chinese descent, 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: and both are competing at the top levels events in 19 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: the Milano Olympics. Both have left leaning political views, yet 20 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: in terms of gratitude, it couldn't be more dissimilar. That's 21 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: because Gou made the choice to represent not the country 22 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: of her birth, the country where she was raised and trained, 23 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: but the communist dictatorship of China. This is her second Olympics, 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: representing the red flag on the world stage. Lou, on 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: the other hand, is the child of a man who's 26 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: a refugee from China. He's wanted there for his involvement 27 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: in the Tianaman Square protests. The last time she competed 28 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: in the Beijing Olympics, she needed a security detail to 29 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: protect her from PRC operatives who were targeting her and 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: her father. Lou doesn't just represent the US. She's representing 31 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: the US very well. She competed on the ice with 32 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: unfettered joy and pride and brought home the gold draped 33 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: in the American flag. Gou won gold too, only she 34 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: didn't bring it home in the same sense. It's China's 35 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: gold medal, not ours. And that's a bit of a 36 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: sticking point with Goo's critics because despite the fact that 37 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 1: she competes for China, she still lives in the country 38 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: where she was raised, and that's the US. She's not 39 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: disturbed much by the fact that she lives in a 40 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: country she doesn't condescend to represent. She turns such criticism 41 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: into an opportunity to brag, saying, if I wasn't doing well, 42 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: I think that they probably wouldn't care as much, and 43 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: that's okay for me. People are entitled to their opinions. Well, 44 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: that's true in America at least. It's not just Americans 45 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: who take issue with guz have your cake and eat 46 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: it too attitude. Some of her Chinese critics also expressed 47 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: dissatisfaction with the way she keeps the very country she 48 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: represents on the snow at arms length. Goo's Chinese name 49 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: is gu is Ling, but the story is that mift 50 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: Chinese are calling her gu Ei Chin, which turns her 51 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: name into Goo loves money. So she is getting criticized 52 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: from that ankle. I have to say that I sympathize 53 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: with the average Chinese on this one. Sure, she won 54 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: medals for China, but she won't even want to live here. 55 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: She doesn't really want to be connected to China, and 56 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: the insult isn't hard to detect. Goo doesn't care about 57 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: her Chinese critics. I don't think, considering she grew up 58 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 1: in the US, and lives there. In twenty twenty four, 59 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: she decided to try to shame them as well by 60 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: taunting quote, in the past five years, I've represented China 61 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: in forty one international competitions and have won thirty nine 62 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: medals for China? What have you done for the country? 63 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: So that is horror? Come back to the Chinese people. 64 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: Can we say that's very gu like of her. The 65 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: really odd thing about Gou is that she shouldn't be 66 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: in the US at all, honestly, unless she is just 67 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: visiting tourist visa. According to Chinese law, she's not a 68 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: native Chinese, but naturalized. And in China, when you become 69 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: a citizen, you're required by law to give up your 70 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: old citizenship. Yet here she is in Stanford, California. You see, 71 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: America recognizes her citizenship because she was born here. So 72 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: even though she's a card carrying Chinese Communist national, she 73 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: is an American because she was born on our soil. 74 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: Why doesn't China enforce their side of the naturalization process 75 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: by forcing gu just to render her US citizenship like 76 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: the law demands money status medals, Or maybe that was 77 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: part of some deal when she made her decision to 78 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: represent China that gave her half her genomes but none 79 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: of her freedom or civil rights. Maybe it's not that 80 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: unusual at all. It seems that Gou isn't so much 81 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: the exception as she is the rule. You see. According 82 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: to New York Times bestselling book and Visible Coup by 83 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: Peter Schweizer, China has been looking the other way when 84 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: it comes to her American born citizens a lot. And 85 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: because this is the Chinese Communist Party we're talking about, 86 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: you can bet this isn't your typical bureaucratic misstep. It's 87 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: very much deliberate and part of a larger plot. In 88 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: an interview with Steve Bannon that was quoted by Breitbart, 89 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,799 Speaker 1: Schweitzerer pointed out that for the past thirteen years, roughly 90 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand Chinese babies have been born in the US. 91 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: Back of the envelope math tells us that's easily over 92 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: a million Chinese who also claim US citizenship. And this 93 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: is not normal birth tourism, if that's even normal. These 94 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: are children of party elites and military officers, says Schweitzer. 95 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: After being born, they're wist away back to China, where 96 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: they're raised as Chinese citizens. But thanks to birthright citizenship 97 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: here in the US, they are still Americans when this 98 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: million plus foard of Chinese Americans churn eighteen. They can 99 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: do things like a vote in our elections, they can 100 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: make political donations, they can work for our government, and 101 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: is all perfectly legal. Well, hopefully the Supreme Court will 102 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: take a look at this, because this is a very 103 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: serious national security issue. No other country has immigration policies 104 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: that expose its citizen citizenry to this level of exploitation 105 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: by the Chinese Communist Party. Something tells me that while 106 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: these millions playing remote citizen in China would jump at 107 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: the chance to work in DC, none of them are 108 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: going to do us the favor of representing the US 109 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: in a future Olympic game, for example. That's not the 110 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: only area in which China is making waves these days. 111 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: It seems Beijing is absolutely furious over the results of 112 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: the recent Japanese election that one conservative Takaichi an unprecedented 113 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: conservative majority. Among other items on her parties to do 114 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: list is the eradication of Article nine of the Japanese Constitution, 115 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: clearing the way for Japan to build up its military forces. 116 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: Of course, in some sense, the changes will be primarily linguistic. 117 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: Rather than a st army, Japan has a self defense force, 118 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: which is, for all intents and purposes the same thing 119 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: as military. The Japanese Self Defense Force currently ranks in 120 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: the top ten overall among the world's militaries already. So 121 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: is jettison ing Article nine really going to dramatically alter things? 122 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: Leave it to China to find a reason to cut 123 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: a fit over a name change. In an attempt to 124 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: stop Japanese remilitarization, the PRC has announced restrictions to twenty 125 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: Japanese entities to ensure that they don't end up as 126 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: components in Japanese military hardware. Japan isn't about to outsource 127 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,119 Speaker 1: its new army of giant fighting robots to Chinese manufacturers. 128 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: I'm just assuming that Japanese remilitarization will include giant fighting robots. 129 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: It's the twenty first century and it's finally time for that. 130 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: The affected Japanese companies include Sumiitomo, Mitsubishi, Kawasaki, Fujitsu Ihi Corporation, 131 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: and sup So. China is getting a little nervous that 132 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: the Japanese might recall their previous military might. The Chinese 133 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: have been highly critical of the Prime Minister, especially since 134 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: she called for Japan to develop nuclear weapons. A militarized 135 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: in nuclear armed Japan certainly seems like it would add 136 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: a few wrinkles to the Chinese goal of invading the 137 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: peaceful and free nation of Taiwan. It would also make 138 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: it harder to enact a naval blockade of Japan in 139 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: order to cut her off from the rest of the world, 140 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: which is another one of China's long standing strategic goals. 141 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: By the way, across the planet, the elements needed to 142 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: realize China's goals have been steadily falling into place. They've 143 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: been in economic support an arms dealer to the Ayatola 144 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: and Iran for years, and they were in the process 145 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: of negotiating with Venezuela as well when our little game 146 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: of cash the Dictator ended up ruining that point. Across 147 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: the globe, from South Korea, Japan, and the Philippines in 148 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: Asia to the South American countries of Ecuador, Peru, Chile, 149 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: and Argentina, China's engaging in exploited illegal fishing practices, I 150 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: guess they wanted to make sure that everywhere had a 151 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: reason not to like them. I mean, they certainly are 152 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: eating that much fish. No such gray zone tactics allow 153 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: their vessels to function as a paramilitary force, thereby allowing 154 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: Beijing to exert control just below the threshold of open 155 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: armed conflict. It is a surg meeting in reserve, if 156 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: you will. Just as their ubiquitous fishing fleets may be 157 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: other than they seen, China's population may not be as 158 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: large as reporting. Bushi Yan, a researcher at the University 159 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: of Wisconsin, asserts the country doesn't have as many people 160 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: as she claims. Why would a government want to keep 161 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: its country's population size secret? Well, because the size of 162 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: the Chinese market is one of its biggest draws. It 163 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: also helps at the local level to fudge those numbers 164 00:09:55,280 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: in order to get bigger government subsidies. Well, Fushion believes 165 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: that China's population of one point four billion is actually 166 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: about one point three billion. That translates to one hundred 167 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: and million fewer Chinese people than reported. Other estimates say 168 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: that China's actual population is less than half of what 169 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: it's reported to be. That may be a stretch, but 170 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: it would explain why there are whole sections of cities 171 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: where the buildings are completely empty. These topics and more 172 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: will make for some very interesting research, and this is 173 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: something Peter Schweizer has dived into in his recent book. 174 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: He has been looking into a lot of this and 175 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: it's very interesting to see everything he's uncovered, because it 176 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: just goes to show us that the Chinese Communist Party 177 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: is using America's own laws, America's own rules, in order 178 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: to actually subvert the country. I am delighted to welcome 179 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: our guest today, Larry Taunton. He is an author, columnist, 180 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: and cultural commentator. His work has been cut by the BBC, 181 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: the New York Times, and many other places. Larry, thanks 182 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. 183 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: Great to be with you, Danielle. 184 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: Great well. I thought we could start off by maybe 185 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: talking a little bit about the news that transpired this 186 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: weekend with Iran, and maybe you can just start by 187 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: telling us your initial reaction to all that. 188 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I have so many initial thoughts, Danielle. 189 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 3: One of them is I'm kind of tired of the 190 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: so called America first crowd that really is America, only 191 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 3: they don't quite understand that America first means that for 192 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 3: your own house to be safe, you may have to 193 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 3: burn down the crack house that's across the street. And 194 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 3: I see this very much as authentic America first, just 195 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 3: as I see that being the case with operations in Venezuela. 196 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:58,239 Speaker 3: I don't think the same thing about Ukraine, for example. 197 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 3: But you know, Iran has been funding terrorism. Have they 198 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 3: funded hamas they funded the October seventh attacks in Israel? 199 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 3: And I know that there's some will be listening who 200 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: are not sympathetic to Israeli people who were murdered, mutilated, 201 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 3: women raped. 202 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: I know that there's plenty that are within that. 203 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: Crowd and that thinking, but they're not understanding that Iran 204 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 3: as the head of the snake and the Biden administration 205 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 3: as well as the Obama administration is and no doubt 206 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 3: the Biden administration, being directed by Obama himself, basically funded 207 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 3: all of these kinds of attacks. Iran has directed tax 208 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 3: against the United States more than ninety times just since 209 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: twenty twenty. 210 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's very interesting because I noticed Trump recently 211 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: was saying that he thought that Iran, you know, tried 212 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: to get him first, and then he was saying, but 213 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: I actually got you first. So in a way, it 214 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: was very clear why Trump was going after community for example. 215 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he's he's privy to a lot of intelligence, 216 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: of course that we don't see. But it's you know, 217 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: I'm old enough, Danielle. You're quite young, and I'm old 218 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 3: enough to remember when I was a kid, the storming 219 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: of the US embassy nineteen seventy nine in Tehran and 220 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 3: the holding for more than I want to say it 221 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 3: was four hundred and forty five days, something like that, 222 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 3: of American hostages that were paraded nightly, you know, on 223 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 3: our news screens. I'm also old enough to recall many 224 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 3: of their attacks, murdering Americans, boarding American vessels, holding American 225 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 3: sailors hostage, and successive ministration is doing virtually nothing about this, 226 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 3: and I would get it. You know, if the United 227 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 3: States were let's say, Cameroon, we might not have the 228 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 3: ability to do these things. But I'm appreciative of the 229 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: fact that Donald Trump has taken seriously the care of 230 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 3: the American people, the attacks on our soldiers, and the 231 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 3: realization that I saw Matt Walsh tweeted yesterday, and that's 232 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 3: a bright guy. But Matt had tweeted more or less 233 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 3: implying that the attacks that are taking place in the 234 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: United States and attacking I ran that those things are 235 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: you know, kind of mutually exclusive, and you have to 236 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 3: choose one or the other. Well, I mean, who do 237 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 3: you think is funding you know a lot of these 238 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 3: kinds of things. So where do they think the weaponry, 239 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 3: you know, is coming from. Who do they think is 240 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: supplying the training as they did with October seventh, supplying 241 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 3: the technical expertise for cyber attacks and things of this nature. 242 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: You can go after both at the same time. 243 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: Right, do you think that it's interesting because we've seen 244 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: kind of the left and the right are almost like 245 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: especially like the woke right sort of, not that he is, 246 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: but there are people on that side. Do you feel 247 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: like they're basically becoming like the left because they are 248 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of the same kind of talking points. 249 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, this actually be an interesting conversation with your 250 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: dad because I hate the term woke right. That's an oxymoron. 251 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 3: It makes no sense at all if you're woke your left, 252 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 3: I mean, just period. I realized that we kind of 253 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: get stuck with these kind of terms, and I realized 254 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 3: the individual you know who came up with this, I said, idiotic, 255 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 3: It's an idiotic notion. If you're woke you're on the left. 256 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that you can't hold views that are 257 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 3: on the right, that you can't be a combination in 258 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 3: some sense of the two. But the mob, they're totalitarian 259 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: and their leanings. They're the kind of people that gather, 260 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 3: you know, I was just at the World Economic Forum 261 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 3: last month, or I should say now the month before last, 262 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: in mid January, where these are the kind of people 263 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 3: who meet and who want to dictate to the rest 264 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: of us the manner. 265 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: Which we live. 266 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 3: But yes, I think we're seeing a lot of people 267 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 3: that we previously fought, Danielle were solid conservatives who are 268 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 3: not actually solid conservatives. And I don't think it's because 269 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: they were lying about being conservative. I think it's what 270 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: we're seeing is their worldview being exposed. That these weren't 271 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 3: individuals who are actually rooted in an absolute that is 272 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 3: to say, in eternal principles. They were more kind of 273 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 3: rooted in their feelings and how they you know, a 274 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 3: kind of vague patriotism or a misty eyed Americana rather 275 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 3: than actually being rooted in you know, ideals, the kind 276 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 3: of ideals that we find expressed in the Declaration of 277 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 3: Independence and in our Constitution. And of course ultimately in scripture. 278 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and many of those people are actually just liberal. 279 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: They pretend to be conservative, but they're not. 280 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: One name one, give me names, come on, give me oh. 281 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: Well, definitely like the Nick f Onetastes type crowd, because 282 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: they're trying to undo the those they want us to over, 283 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: the Democrats or whatever, so they're just very open about it, 284 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: of course. But then there are some other people who 285 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: are maybe normal people who are just kind of like 286 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: confused or swept in the middle of this stuff and 287 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: they're not really sure what they think about what's going 288 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: on with Iran. Maybe you can tell us what's your 289 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: kind of main argument for how this is America First? 290 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: What is your kind of way that you would explain 291 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: it to someone who's maybe not against it, but is 292 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: just kind of not sure. 293 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: Well, I think again, I'd want to make a distinction 294 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 3: between uh, the the America firsters who really are America only. 295 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 3: They're only concerned with anything that happens inside our borders. 296 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: And I get it. 297 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 3: I understand that at a very elementary level. But it's 298 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 3: elementary kind of thinking, you know, as I was, you know, 299 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 3: indicated earlier. You know, if your own home let's just 300 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 3: let's just think of it like this. If your own 301 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 3: home is constantly being you know, robbed, and there are 302 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 3: people trying to you know, break through your front door, 303 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 3: and you have you have a choice there. Yeah, I 304 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 3: guess you can keep barricading it and try to make 305 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 3: your fences higher and these kind of things. Or you 306 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 3: could try to clean up the neighborhood. You know, these 307 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 3: things tend to not happen, uh when you're in a 308 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 3: little better neighborhood. And I think Trump's approach here is 309 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 3: the recognition. 310 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 2: Listen. 311 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 3: I was following caravans all over South America. I did 312 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 3: this for five years. You know. I was going to 313 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 3: cartel towns and Dairian Gap. I was following what we 314 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 3: were mostly, or let's just say, a plurality of Venezuelans 315 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 3: making their way up to Mexico City where they could 316 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 3: board Labstia the Beast with a freight train where they 317 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 3: would get on the roof of it and follow it 318 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 3: to the six hundred miles north to the US border. 319 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 3: I kept screaming that until we solve the problem in Venezuela, 320 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 3: this is going to keep happening. And anybody who's going 321 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 3: to go through the dairy and gap in flip flops, 322 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 3: holding a baby and carrying a bottle of water. I 323 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 3: promise you, your wall is not going to stop them. 324 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 3: Your wall isn't going to stop them. Now, according to CNN, 325 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 3: this was all being caused by global warming, which we 326 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 3: know is complete nonsense. It was being caused by Marxism 327 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 3: that was turning economies one right after the other in 328 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 3: South America, cratering them. So this was causing a problem. 329 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 3: So to me, Venezuela was America first. Well, the same 330 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 3: thing is true. Well, we're talking about Iran and we're 331 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: talking about the funding of terrorism. It doesn't seem like 332 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 3: it's received much play in the United States, Danielle. 333 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 2: That again, just. 334 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 3: During the first two and a half years of Biden's 335 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 3: term in office, there were eighty three attacks on American 336 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 3: troops in the Middle East, either directly by Iran or 337 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 3: sponsored by Iran. So to me, going after Iran as 338 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 3: America first, we have to defend our people. 339 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. And Trump has been so great on a 340 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: lot of these foreign policy issues. And like you've said, 341 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: he is very privy to a lot of information we 342 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: are privy to, and he's very swept in his actions. 343 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: He's very quick, very decisive, and I think does things 344 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: that actually make a difference as opposed to maybe people 345 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: fearing some kind of long dragged out war situation. But 346 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: Trump doesn't really operate like that. How likely are you 347 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,719 Speaker 1: to see some kind of successful regime chain in Iran? 348 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: What do you think is going to be the next 349 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: step for people there? Do you think people are kind 350 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: of rising up? Or how do you see it? 351 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 3: You know, that's a that's a good question. It's a 352 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: complicated question. Let me deal with the first part of that. 353 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 3: You're right, you know, Trump is decisive. I don't think 354 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,239 Speaker 3: Trump spends a lot of time hand ringing, you know, 355 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 3: over issues. I think he listens to the counsel of 356 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 3: his generals and various other strategists and so forth and 357 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 3: are involved here, and then he he uh, he takes action. 358 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 3: I loved what he said yesterday, which was hilarious, that 359 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 3: he was creating job openings, you know, in Iran, And. 360 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 2: There's no question that he's doing that. Now. 361 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 3: Nation building in the Middle East is not something that 362 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 3: the United States has proven to be particularly good at. 363 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 3: I don't get the impression that that's his intention here. 364 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 3: That he's not intending to, you know, turn this into 365 00:21:55,119 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 3: another Afghanistan or or or something to that effect, but 366 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 3: rather kind of leave it, at least to some extent 367 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 3: to the Iranian people. But Danielle something that I think 368 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 3: that Americans are incredibly naive about it. And presently I'm 369 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 3: in Europe, I was in I was just in the 370 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 3: Middle East, you know, so I just came here from 371 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 3: the Middle East. Americans do not understand Islam. They don't. 372 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 3: They're starting to understand it, you know, better. But the 373 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 3: notion that you know, like, for instance, the Pope I'm 374 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 3: I can look out a window right here and almost 375 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 3: see the Vatican. I'm here in Rome. Yesterday the Pope 376 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 3: right here was talking about how there just needs to 377 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 3: be dialogue and if we could all just get along. 378 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 3: I mean, if only the Hobbits and the Orcs could 379 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 3: just get together and have a conversation, I'm sure they 380 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 3: could work out all their differences. Never mind the fact 381 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 3: that that Orcs eat Hobbits. I mean, that's that's where 382 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 3: we find ourselves in Islam. Islam is an ideology of hate. 383 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 3: It is an ideology of conquest, It is an ideology 384 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 3: of misogyny, and the senator from my own state state 385 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 3: of Alabama, Tommy Tupperval, who I can appreciate now more 386 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 3: as a senator than I could when he was coach 387 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 3: at the at Auburn University Tuberville, and he's starting to 388 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 3: gather others around him are pushing for the banning of Sharia. 389 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 3: I want to say to them, that's that's not the 390 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 3: root of the tree. You have to ban Islam. And 391 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 3: I know that they probably think, well, we can't do 392 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: that because it's covered under the Bill of Rights. As 393 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 3: you know, you can practice, you know, your religion fairly 394 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 3: and openly in the United States. Therefore we can't ban it. No, 395 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 3: I think we can, and I think we can with 396 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 3: the Constitution, because when Islam is taken seriously in his 397 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 3: practice according to the Qoran, according to the hdiv and 398 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 3: to the life of Muhammad, which every Muslim is supposed 399 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 3: to model themselves after, then it is by definition anti 400 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 3: constitutional because it is by definition not about freedom of speech, 401 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 3: not about freedom of religion. It's not about freedom of 402 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 3: the press, it's not about freedom of the assembly, it's 403 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 3: not about freedom of petition. The entire Bill of Rights 404 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 3: is nullified by Islam. When Islam is taken seriously, which 405 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 3: is to say nothing of things like you know, child marriage, 406 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: and you know, human trafficking and beheadings and these kinds 407 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 3: of things. This is real Islam. And when people say 408 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,959 Speaker 3: that they know a Muslim who's a very friendly person, 409 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 3: I know plenty myself. But those are those are not 410 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 3: Muslims who are practicing real Islam. Those are people that 411 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 3: I liken to Methodists in not taking their holy scriptures 412 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 3: very seriously. And I say that I could say that 413 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 3: as a form of Methodist. Please don't pelt me the 414 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 3: people who are listening out there, but you know, these 415 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 3: are these are very we'll say liberal Muslims that we're talking. 416 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 2: About in this case. 417 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think when it comes to immigrants especially, 418 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: we can decide who comes to this country. We can 419 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: decide what criteria we want to use and bring them 420 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: in because many of these people who are Muslim are 421 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: very recent immigrants to the US. It's not like we 422 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: just all of a sudden have these, you know, people 423 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: who are converting to Islam here. Most of it really 424 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 1: being imported here, So can definitely be stopped. Wanted to 425 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: ask you about. So when it comes to kind of 426 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: the nation building. We sort of touched on them a 427 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: little bit. How do you think this might be Do 428 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: you think this might be similar, might be different to 429 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: what happened in Japan. Do you think people in Iran 430 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: are I mean, we've seen the videos because they're very 431 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: much celebratory, they're very excited. Do you think that they're 432 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: going to step up in this time? 433 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: Well? 434 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 3: I like the reference to Japan. That's an astute reference 435 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 3: and a very good one. Japan serves as a model 436 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 3: for us and a reminder, a historical reminder that we 437 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 3: have defeated these types of ideologies before. So the you know, 438 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 3: the the Kamikazes of the nineteen thirties and forties were 439 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 3: you know, the suicide bombers of that era, and the 440 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 3: Japanese ultimately they some would argue they have the most 441 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 3: democratic constitution in the world, was written by General Douglas 442 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 3: MacArthur and his staff, and it remains in effect there 443 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 3: to this day in Japan. Having been there, it's a 444 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 3: remarkable peaceful country. So we have done that before. I 445 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 3: don't know, however, that the United States today is as 446 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 3: committed to bringing something like that about as the United 447 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 3: States was at the time. I want to say MacArthur was, 448 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 3: I can't remember, but he was basically, you know, as 449 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 3: William Manchester says, an American caesar in Japan for quite 450 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 3: some time, with extraordinary power at his disposal. But the 451 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 3: fact of the matter is Japan does serve as a 452 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 3: model that this can be done. These types of ideologies 453 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 3: can be defeated. 454 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 2: Now. 455 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 3: One of the problems, unfortunately, is while Japan an Ireland 456 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 3: and emperor worship in fascist militarism that characterized Japan at 457 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 3: that time was isolated to Japan. Right now we're talking about, 458 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 3: you know, a country that's surrounded, you know, by other 459 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 3: countries that share the same type of ideology, which makes 460 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 3: it much much more difficult. So I don't know, I'm 461 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 3: not sure if the United States will try to follow 462 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 3: a policy like that. I tend to think as much 463 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 3: as I like Trump, and I was Gotsha was at 464 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 3: mar A Lago a few times and there to see 465 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 3: your father's movie, wonderful movie two thousand Mules. So I 466 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 3: like I like Donald Trump very much, but I think 467 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 3: Donald Trump shares one of the flaws that is common 468 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 3: to Americans and to American foreign policy forever and that 469 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 3: is that we're a fairly trusting, give the other guy 470 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 3: the benefit of the doubt, and a little naive when 471 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 3: we're dealing, particularly when we're dealing with ideologies like this, 472 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 3: and and I think we can't be we can We 473 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 3: dare not risk that in this case. Case in point 474 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 3: the Israelis. If anybody in the world should know better 475 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 3: than to be naive, it would be the Israelis. 476 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 2: Yaya Sinoir, who who engineered the October seventh attacks, spent 477 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 2: more than half of his adult life in Israeli prison, 478 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 2: who's having fainting spells, headaches. The Israelis discovered he had 479 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 2: a brain tumor. They took him to an Israeli hospital. 480 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 2: Surgery was performed removing the brain tumor, saving his life, 481 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: which he himself acknowledged. In twenty eleven or twelve, he 482 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: was exchanged in a prison swap, that is, for Israeli hostages. 483 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 3: And how did he pay the Israelis. I'm sure they 484 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 3: thought he would feel indebted to them. 485 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 2: He didn't. 486 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 3: He raped and murdered and mutilated their people. That's what 487 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 3: we're dealing with here, and we can't let our guard down. 488 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 3: We can't be naive in dealing with it. 489 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. We cannot let our guard down be naive. 490 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: Great point, well, Larry, thank you so much for joining 491 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: us today. I really appreciate your insights here well. 492 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Danielle, pleasure to be with you.