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Speaker 2: in Phoenix, Arizona at the Wyre Fi Studios. President Trump
Speaker 2: is at the G seven in France right now, flank
Speaker 2: by Marco Rubio and Howard Lutnik. We're gonna take it
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Speaker 4: Could be whatever, what do you have left?
Speaker 5: Maybe nothing, but you don't have The Strait will never
Speaker 5: be opened because people that own billion dollar ships.
Speaker 4: His ships goes to billion dollars.
Speaker 5: They are like sailing ships, having their ships participate when
Speaker 5: you go up the coast and you go through the
Speaker 5: strait and there are rockets flying over your head. They
Speaker 5: want to protect the billion dollar investment. You wouldn't have
Speaker 5: oil for maybe years. He's a stupid people, but nobody
Speaker 5: was tough with them, and nobody hit solomon You know,
Speaker 5: when I hit Solomoni, people thought that was the biggest
Speaker 5: thing to happen in the Middle East for fifty years.
Speaker 4: That was the biggest event.
Speaker 5: He was the he was the boss of Iran and respected,
Speaker 5: but he was a mad genius. He was a genius
Speaker 5: the father of.
Speaker 4: The roadside bomb.
Speaker 5: When you see young men and in some cases women,
Speaker 5: mostly men walking around without legs, without arms, with a
Speaker 5: face that's been blown to smitherings, it's Solomoni ninety ninety
Speaker 5: six point two they say, or something ninety five percent.
Speaker 4: That was Salomon.
Speaker 5: He did it, happened to come from Iran, and I
Speaker 5: blew him up.
Speaker 4: You remember that, I blew him up in the Valley
Speaker 4: of Death.
Speaker 5: He got off his plane and we followed him. And
Speaker 5: in all fairness, because they've been wonderful to me, Israel,
Speaker 5: but they didn't want.
Speaker 4: To do that attack.
Speaker 5: They were all set the night before the attack. Then
Speaker 5: for me, they didn't want to do it, so I
Speaker 5: had to.
Speaker 4: Make a decision. I made the decision to do it.
Speaker 5: But we was a joint venture, as we say in
Speaker 5: the real estate business. There was a joint venture between
Speaker 5: Israel and US. We studied it for a month. We
Speaker 5: knew what plane he was going to be on almost
Speaker 5: a month before. He only traveled on commercial airline as
Speaker 5: the big ones with lots of people, because he knew
Speaker 5: we wouldn't shoot him down. A very smort but we
Speaker 5: knew he was going to be on that plane. Followed him,
Speaker 5: and then Israel in for me that they won't do it,
Speaker 5: and I had to make a decision. I had some
Speaker 5: very good generals and not the ones you see on television,
Speaker 5: very good and I want to thank also Pete Hegseeth
Speaker 5: and General Raisin Kane's phenomenal.
Speaker 4: Okay, these guys are phenomenal. They can't be better. But
Speaker 4: I had some good generals.
Speaker 5: And I said to him, well, that Israel's not going
Speaker 5: to do it, We're all prepared. Do we do it?
Speaker 5: Do you like doing it? And he says, Sir, if
Speaker 5: you want to do it, we can do it. How well,
Speaker 5: we'll do it just as well or better do it ourselves.
Speaker 4: We don't need anybody. So we took out salmoney. One
Speaker 4: of the.
Speaker 5: Biggest events to happen the Middle East, maybe ever. But
Speaker 5: they say fifty years, they say one hundred years. I
Speaker 5: was with the Prime Minister of Pakistan. He said, it's
Speaker 5: maybe the biggest event that has ever taken places that
Speaker 5: nobody could believe it.
Speaker 4: So that's when it started.
Speaker 5: It didn't start like three or four or five weeks ago,
Speaker 5: and Obama wouldn't do it. What Obama did was he
Speaker 5: did the JCPOA. He loaded up a plane with one billion,
Speaker 5: seven hundred million dollars in green cash from banks all
Speaker 5: over Washington.
Speaker 4: Maryland and Virginia. They were stripped of all their cash.
Speaker 4: He had no caresh should do payrolls.
Speaker 5: It all went into a Boeing seven fifty seven, a
Speaker 5: wonderful plane, and they flew it to Iran and they
Speaker 5: gave it out to people.
Speaker 4: They bribed people. They thought they were gonna get it done.
Speaker 5: Then they gave billions and billions of dollars after that,
Speaker 5: and they got a deal that was a road to
Speaker 5: a nuclear weapon. I get so angry I guess I'm
Speaker 5: allowed to get angry when I watch these the Democrats.
Speaker 4: They talk about it all the time. We had this
Speaker 4: steel done.
Speaker 5: You had a deal that was going to give them
Speaker 5: legally a nuclear weapon, and if that happened, Israel would
Speaker 5: have been blown away. In an all fairness to Bibatya,
Speaker 5: who happens to.
Speaker 4: Be a good man.
Speaker 5: Gets a little excited sometimes, but he happens to be
Speaker 5: a very good man. We've had an amazing partnership. He's
Speaker 5: been an amazing Prime minister.
Speaker 4: We have a little dispute over Lebanon and I see
Speaker 4: you can do a little softer touch.
Speaker 5: Maybe you don't have to knock down a building every
Speaker 5: time somebody walks into it. That's from Hezbullah. But it's
Speaker 5: been an amazing partnership. But he will say we're the
Speaker 5: big partner and he's the very small partner, and that's true.
Speaker 5: So he came to the country and he begged Barack
Speaker 5: Hussein Obama the president, not to do the jc POA.
Speaker 5: He said it could be the end of Israel, and
Speaker 5: it would have been if I didn't come along, and
Speaker 5: Obama didn't listen to him.
Speaker 4: Boebe actually went to Congress and pleaded with them.
Speaker 5: And he got nowhere, and they had this horrible deal
Speaker 5: that was horrible for Israel, horrible for Israel. And that's
Speaker 5: where it stood. And then I came along and I
Speaker 5: terminated that deal. It had very little time left.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: It was a short term deal. You know, with countries
Speaker 5: you need hundreds of years. You don't need eight years
Speaker 5: and nine years. This isn't like you signing a Lisa
Speaker 5: on a candy store at the corner. You need hundreds
Speaker 5: of years. This was a short term lease. It expired
Speaker 5: long ago. Had I let it run, it expired, you
Speaker 5: wouldn't have been around, a lot of people wouldn't have
Speaker 5: been around, but Israel would have been to eleminated. I
Speaker 5: think the whole Middle East would have been terminate. You
Speaker 5: saw that when everybody was shocked at all these missiles
Speaker 5: they were aimed at these different places. Qatar, Saudi Arabia,
Speaker 5: Uae think of it, Bahrain, Kuwait.
Speaker 4: They got hit.
Speaker 5: Nobody thought that was even Ni. I didn't think it
Speaker 5: was going to happen. They didn't think it was going
Speaker 5: to happen. They were going to take out the entire
Speaker 5: Middle East, including Israel, And if they had a nuclear weapon,
Speaker 5: they would have used it with it within moments after
Speaker 5: getting it.
Speaker 4: So I made it very tough for them when I terminated.
Speaker 5: The Barack Hussein Obama catasaphe jc POA one of the
Speaker 5: worst deals. NAFTA might have been worse, but that was
Speaker 5: worse Economically. It was really dangerous what he did.
Speaker 4: He gave them everything, including a lot of money, which
Speaker 4: we don't give them.
Speaker 5: By the way, just in case you have any question,
Speaker 5: we'll be giving this out so you can read it
Speaker 5: and you can see and.
Speaker 4: It's a memorandum of understanding.
Speaker 5: If it doesn't get done in sixty days, it's a
Speaker 5: right we go back to bombing. You know, I don't
Speaker 5: want to do that because it's so good, but we
Speaker 5: might have to because we're never going to let them
Speaker 5: have a nuclear weap it, but they've agreed not to,
Speaker 5: and you'll see that.
Speaker 4: Very clearly in the agreement. But then the second phase.
Speaker 5: Of that was they were building, or they were enriching
Speaker 5: material as they say, I call it nuclear dust. They
Speaker 5: were enriching material under granite mountains. Granite being for those
Speaker 5: not in the construction business, granite being a very strongly
Speaker 5: strongest stone.
Speaker 4: It's not as pretty as marble, but it's much more.
Speaker 4: It's much stronger. It's a lot stronger.
Speaker 5: Like the new granite I put on the stairs of
Speaker 5: the White House going to the Oval office to black
Speaker 5: ground it. It's rated one million years plus. No marble's
Speaker 5: rated that. Marble's rated one hundred years if it's outside.
Speaker 4: So these are granite mountains.
Speaker 5: And the B twos came along and they hit those
Speaker 5: air shafts in the dark at one o'clock in the
Speaker 5: morning with no moon.
Speaker 4: They had a beam going right up everywhere.
Speaker 5: Those guys did a job, and then They were criticized
Speaker 5: by certain members of the press like CNN for possibly
Speaker 5: not doing that much damage, and it turned out that
Speaker 5: the damage was far ger. Those mountains collapsed right on
Speaker 5: top of everything. Nobody's going to get that for a
Speaker 5: long time unless we want to get it.
Speaker 4: We will get it, but we're the only ones that can.
Speaker 5: And they say, China has the equipment to get it,
Speaker 5: and we have the equipment to get it, and it's
Speaker 5: actually not valuable, not a lot of value, but would
Speaker 5: like to get it psychologically, but nobody's touching it.
Speaker 4: We also have cameras. That's what Space Force is. We
Speaker 4: have the best. We have the greatest.
Speaker 5: Military in the world, by the way, but I'm proud
Speaker 5: of Space Force because I started it. We have Space
Speaker 5: Force cameras on every single door, every well, there are
Speaker 5: no doors that've been pretty well shattered, but every area
Speaker 5: of that.
Speaker 4: If somebody walks in and he's got a badge with his.
Speaker 5: Name on it, Mohammed something, which is about a fifty
Speaker 5: to fifty guess Mohammed something, they can tell the name,
Speaker 5: they can give you a serial number.
Speaker 4: We can see things.
Speaker 5: You wouldn't believe the quality of the.
Speaker 4: Stuff that we have that's why we've been so successful.
Speaker 5: That's why our blockade will go down to the annals
Speaker 5: of history as being unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Nobody's ever seen.
Speaker 5: A blockade like that, just it's like a steel wall.
Speaker 5: So what happened is we then terminated that and I
Speaker 5: call it the nuclear.
Speaker 4: Dust and that was the end of that. But if
Speaker 4: we didn't hit that with the B two.
Speaker 5: Bombers, or if it wasn't successful, they would have had
Speaker 5: a nuclear weapon, a nuclear bomb at a very high level,
Speaker 5: not the highest, but it would have been a very
Speaker 5: high level. We have much bigger, but we hope that
Speaker 5: we're never going to have to use it. We have
Speaker 5: the most, Russia has second, China is very far.
Speaker 4: Behind but going to catch up. Unfortunately, you know they're
Speaker 4: catching up.
Speaker 5: But we have the most, the most powerful, but we
Speaker 5: also have the most, but Russia is not far behind.
Speaker 5: And then you have China in third place, but they're
Speaker 5: within five years they'll be probably even. And we ought
Speaker 5: to make a d nuclearization deal would be so great.
Speaker 5: We don't need all of that. We don't need to
Speaker 5: be able to blow up the whole world three hundred
Speaker 5: times over. It's terrible, really, if we could do a
Speaker 5: d nuke deal.
Speaker 4: I love it. And one of those two is very
Speaker 4: willing to do it. I will tell you that the
Speaker 4: other one is less willing to do it. And you
Speaker 4: need all of them.
Speaker 5: So the deal we reached with Hran on Sunday, we'll
Speaker 5: be signed shortly tomorrow, maybe the next day. I think
Speaker 5: subject deals, my whole life is all about deals. That's
Speaker 5: all I ever did is make deals, and crazy things
Speaker 5: happen with deals.
Speaker 4: I've gone into deals where it's a guarantee, no way,
Speaker 4: it can not be signed, and it doesn't get it.
Speaker 5: And I've gone into deals that you have no chance
Speaker 5: of making and they go leg Now think so, but
Speaker 5: we're going to most likely sign a deal. They want
Speaker 5: to sign a deal, and they've been acting very appropriately.
Speaker 5: They took a big two hits last week. Those were
Speaker 5: two very big hits. So importantly, around has agreed that
Speaker 5: they will neither produce nor procure a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 4: Neither produce because.
Speaker 5: Originally they said, they talk about that, that they will
Speaker 5: not develop a nuclear weapon. And some people found it okay,
Speaker 5: these guys didn't do no fairness, but some people, but
Speaker 5: I didn't like it, said it won't develop.
Speaker 4: I said, what happens if they should buy. I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's very dangerous for somebody to sell because whoever sells
Speaker 5: them a nuclear weapon will get nuked themselves. If they
Speaker 5: sold a nuclear weapons, only a few they could do it,
Speaker 5: they would be nuked. They wouldn't have that country loan.
Speaker 5: So it's a very dangerous thing for somebody to do.
Speaker 5: But I wanted it in there. So it's develop procure
Speaker 5: by anything, and you'll see that when you see the agreement.
Speaker 4: But it's appropriate that we released the agreement, and we
Speaker 4: did send a copy to Israel. By the way, they've
Speaker 4: been a good partner.
Speaker 5: Again, I think they could do better with respect to Hesbeulah.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying they shouldn't protect themselves. I'm saying when
Speaker 5: two drones are shot into the desert and drop harmlessly,
Speaker 5: you don't have to knock down buildings in Beirut.
Speaker 4: They could behave better and frankly, they could do a
Speaker 4: better job. I love them as a partner.
Speaker 5: That were terrific, but they could do a much better
Speaker 5: job with Hesbelah. On that, I don't think they're doing well,
Speaker 5: and I feel.
Speaker 2: Very bad for President Trump is continuing at the G seven,
Speaker 2: but we got stuff we got to talk about here.
Speaker 2: He's making some great points though that.
Speaker 3: Are basically saying what we were going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's doing our open for us. So we
Speaker 2: wanted to let that roll. And really the point is,
Speaker 2: and the question that we keep getting asked, and often
Speaker 2: in good faith, by the way, is this Iran deal
Speaker 2: the new JCPOA two point zero? Is it just like that.
Speaker 2: I had somebody that was texting me yesterday.
Speaker 3: Say, tell people with the ja JCPOA.
Speaker 2: Sorry. JCPOA was the original sort of nuke deal to
Speaker 2: try and get around to stop their nuclear program that Obama,
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry oversaw, which involved a frontloaded
Speaker 2: deal filled with pallets of cash that we airlifted over
Speaker 2: to Iran right to bribe them to get them to
Speaker 2: do what we wanted to. And so a lot of
Speaker 2: people have been texting me in good faith, genuinely. I
Speaker 2: want to love this deal. I want to be supportive,
Speaker 2: but it just feels like the JCPOA two point zero,
Speaker 2: and I want to explain why that's not true. First
Speaker 2: of all, it's not front loaded, so there's no pallets
Speaker 2: of cash, there's no American money, not one red cent
Speaker 2: of American money, But there are financial incentives. People hear
Speaker 2: that and they go, oh, it's just like the JCPOA.
Speaker 2: My question to them would be what other levers and
Speaker 2: mechanisms does the world run on. There's only so many
Speaker 2: things you can offer as an incentive for good behavior, because,
Speaker 2: let's guess what. In a deal, both sides need to
Speaker 2: feel like they're getting something worthwhile if you're gonna make
Speaker 2: a deal, that's what happens now. I think there is
Speaker 2: an old paradigm when it comes to treaties like the
Speaker 2: Treaty of Versailles or whatever, where where you one side
Speaker 2: totally concedes defeat and the other says I'm victorious completely.
Speaker 2: That's not the paradigm that President Trump is using. President
Speaker 2: Trump is using a paradigm of a businessman who's trying
Speaker 2: to make deals that are mutually beneficial. Yes, but we
Speaker 2: get what we want, and what do we want. We
Speaker 2: want a denuclearized Iran. We want them not to have
Speaker 2: a nuke so they can blow up Israel, they blow
Speaker 2: up the Middle East, or blow up Europe. Okay, are
Speaker 2: you trying to.
Speaker 6: Well, it's exactly what you say, which is, oh, there
Speaker 6: was a lot of frustration anger when this conflict began
Speaker 6: because people were saying President Trump promised he would never
Speaker 6: get in a war, and people pointed out who were
Speaker 6: more in favor of the war, said no, he always
Speaker 6: said Iran will not get a nuclear weapon, and that's
Speaker 6: what he'd said for years, really going back even into
Speaker 6: the nineties.
Speaker 3: He was saying that shouldn't happen. And then now we're going.
Speaker 6: Through the reverse of this where people are angry that
Speaker 6: he hasn't overthrown the mullas he hasn't done regime change
Speaker 6: in Iran, and we should ariign people. President Trump's promise
Speaker 6: was Iran will not get a nuclear weapon. You and
Speaker 6: I were discussing before the show. At the start of
Speaker 6: his term, President Trump was touring the Middle East and
Speaker 6: he was pointing out, we have learned from the past.
Speaker 6: We're not trying to remake. Should every government. We should
Speaker 6: play that clip it here, I gotta find it.
Speaker 2: You threw me off my groove because I wasn't ready
Speaker 2: to play that clip. But we do have that clip
Speaker 2: and we should play it. This is yeah from right.
Speaker 2: At the beginning of Trump two point zero, he tours
Speaker 2: the Middle East and he he issued a speech that
Speaker 2: I think Will is an all timer. I think it's
Speaker 2: going to go down as an all timer, but it
Speaker 2: sets the stage for some of the things he's talking
Speaker 2: about Right now. It's not twenty nine.
Speaker 5: So a new generation of leaders is transcending the ancient
Speaker 5: conflicts of tired divisions of the past and forging a
Speaker 5: future where the Middle East is defined by commerce not chaos,
Speaker 5: where it exports technology not terrorism, and where people of
Speaker 5: different nations, religions, and creeds are building cities together, not
Speaker 5: bombing each other out of existence. The birth of a
Speaker 5: modern Middle East has been brought by the people of
Speaker 5: the region themselves.
Speaker 4: In the end, the so called.
Speaker 5: Nation builders wrecked far more nations than they built, and
Speaker 5: the interventionalists were intervening in complex societies that they did
Speaker 5: not even understand themselves. East prosperity and progress ultimately came
Speaker 5: not from a radical rejection of your heritage, from embracing
Speaker 5: your national tradition.
Speaker 2: So that speech was important for many reasons. But it
Speaker 2: was the death knell of the neocons. Okay, that was
Speaker 2: Trump saying we are not going to be a neocon
Speaker 2: foreign policy movement anymore. And that was a good thing. Okay,
Speaker 2: So now you might be wondering. But yeah, but he
Speaker 2: attacked Iran well. To Blake's point, he always said Iran
Speaker 2: will not have a nuclear weapon. Remember he took out
Speaker 2: Solomoni and Trump one point zero, Okay, who was basically
Speaker 2: the chief architect of terrorism. Now, I was skeptical about
Speaker 2: these strikes. As a matter of fact, I was not
Speaker 2: pro the strikes in Iran. But much like Charlie, I
Speaker 2: chose to say Trump has never gotten US embroiled in
Speaker 2: a quagmire forever war in the Middle East. And I
Speaker 2: don't think that's his objective right now. He's trying to
Speaker 2: achieve the objective of no nukes, no weapons, to destroy
Speaker 2: the Middle East, destroy Israel, destroy Europe. And he's achieved
Speaker 2: that goal ostensibly in theory. They're moving towards that goal.
Speaker 2: And here's the big difference. And President Trump kind of
Speaker 2: hinted at this. Actually, I think he hit the nail
Speaker 2: on the head in one of his earlier interviews today
Speaker 2: at the G seven. This is the big difference with
Speaker 2: this deal and the JCPOA. No, it's not front loader.
Speaker 2: There's no pallets of cash, there's no American money. That's true,
Speaker 2: But more fundamentally, the big difference between this deal and
Speaker 2: the JCPOA is President Trump himself. St. Twenty six, Chuene.
Speaker 5: Said, one point seven billion and hundreds of millions of dollars.
Speaker 5: They tried to bribe their way out of it.
Speaker 4: And you know what.
Speaker 5: The Iranians did. They laughed at Obama and they said
Speaker 5: he's a stupid son of Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you very much. Yeah.
Speaker 6: And it was actually we were letting him go here
Speaker 6: in this first segment because he was making that point
Speaker 6: for us repeatedly. I thought it was very interesting. He
Speaker 6: was really going into the details about the strike that
Speaker 6: killed the previous Supreme Leader. And I feel like the
Speaker 6: implied the implication throughout that is, by the way, we
Speaker 6: could one do this again to any of you. If
Speaker 6: we have the ability to track the Supreme Leader of
Speaker 6: Iran in that level of detail, you should adhere to
Speaker 6: this deal or I'm ready to bomb again. He said
Speaker 6: that too. If they don't finish us up in two months,
Speaker 6: we'll bomb them to hell again.
Speaker 2: He said, Top thirty.
Speaker 4: Is the actually the agreement now final? Or are you
Speaker 4: still no? It's that final?
Speaker 5: It's a memorandum of understanding. And if I don't like it.
Speaker 5: We'll go back to shooting at them, dropping bombs on
Speaker 5: the head if I don't like it, if they don't behave,
Speaker 5: we'll go right back to dropping bombs right smack.
Speaker 4: In the middle of their head.
Speaker 5: Okay, because they misbehaved for forty seven years, that.
Speaker 2: Is the difference. Now you do not have to even
Speaker 2: support the world was Like I said, I was a skeptic.
Speaker 2: I didn't want us to go into Iran. I've made
Speaker 2: no uh Mad not made that a secret. But you
Speaker 2: have to also acknowledge objectively that this changes the calculus
Speaker 2: in a deal with Iran. Iran played Obama for a sucker.
Speaker 2: Why because they never believed that Obama was willing to
Speaker 2: use force. They can't say that about President Trump. President
Speaker 2: Trump has already used force. President Trump will use force again.
Speaker 2: He is not afraid to use force. Our military posture
Speaker 2: is not changing in the region. That changes all the calculus.
Speaker 2: That changes everything. And they know that our intelligence is
Speaker 2: so good that they can't move about freely. If they
Speaker 2: start misbehaving, they will fear for their lives. So the
Speaker 2: choice is theirs. Do they want to have a prosperous
Speaker 2: economic region and zone and future for Iran and his people,
Speaker 2: or do they want to get bombed again. They didn't
Speaker 2: have that same choice when President Obama was in office.
Speaker 2: Offering them palats of cash changes everything. Donald Trump is
Speaker 2: the reason this is not the JCPOA two point zero.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Good to have you
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Speaker 7: Thank you, good to be here.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: Listen, we're doing great. We're doing great, and I just
Speaker 2: wanted to just have you on to just commend you, sir,
Speaker 2: for the amazing support that you showed these pictures, these
Speaker 2: giant pitchers, for standing up for their values. And you
Speaker 2: said something really powerful. You said, if they get fined,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna help pay for their fines. We'll figure it
Speaker 2: out and we will help you as well. Rob. We
Speaker 2: will get behind whatever efforts that we need to get behind.
Speaker 2: I know you say you will personally pay for it.
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Speaker 2: that want to that want to defend their Christian values.
Speaker 2: What inspired that?
Speaker 7: Thank you? And I just want to say that, well,
Speaker 7: I just want to say, these aren't like the these
Speaker 7: are These guys get the league minimum, so I mean
Speaker 7: it's a good amount of money, but it's still they're
Speaker 7: living in California, so you know that's that's there's still
Speaker 7: like living in apartments and stuff. These guys aren't rich ballplayers.
Speaker 7: You're not talking about old time. But you know what
Speaker 7: you have is you have first of all, can we
Speaker 7: make baseball straight again? I mean, but we have enough
Speaker 7: gay sports.
Speaker 8: We've got like you know, the w n b A,
Speaker 8: we got figure skating, you know, we we have uh
Speaker 8: you know there's already corn hole is on esp and
Speaker 8: you know you throw the sand bag and get in
Speaker 8: it's actually called corn hole.
Speaker 7: And look, we have enough of this. But you know,
Speaker 7: first of all, this hey, this gay gay stuff, what
Speaker 7: you have you want already gay people? Why do you
Speaker 7: have to shove it in or face? And why do
Speaker 7: you get a month?
Speaker 4: Who agreed?
Speaker 7: What was the I don't remember voting for a month?
Speaker 7: You know, just have a parade. All I'm saying, just
Speaker 7: give us, just give us some heads up so we
Speaker 7: can make plans, you know, so we don't have to,
Speaker 7: you know, because it's it's a lot hanging out everywhere.
Speaker 7: So it's just enough in your face forcing us to
Speaker 7: do things against our will and and forcing people it's uh,
Speaker 7: you know, to to wear a pride hat and and
Speaker 7: if they don't, they're somehow a bigot. So it's it's uh,
Speaker 7: it's in your face. And the idea that somehow gay
Speaker 7: people are oppressed. It's like you won, you got gay marriage,
Speaker 7: You you get the same uh, you know, rights as
Speaker 7: far as benefits that that was excluded you. I mean,
Speaker 7: so at what point do you say enough? And you know,
Speaker 7: at what point do we say okay, it's a month.
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 7: And then also we want to have drag queens in
Speaker 7: your kindergarten. Uh, you know, just you know, you know,
Speaker 7: shaking your junk in front of your kids. It's like
Speaker 7: enough with this, It's I'm it is a it is sick,
Speaker 7: it is twisted, and it is enough. I mean, gay
Speaker 7: rights has been perverted. Even gays will tell you that
Speaker 7: the trans community has totally taken over. And I mean
Speaker 7: I knew something was up at the gay parade in
Speaker 7: New York when there wasn't once one white gay homosexual
Speaker 7: that was a part of the Grand Marshall Parade. It
Speaker 7: was all this crazy, you know, trans stuff, and it
Speaker 7: was these these ballplayers are sweet, nice guys who love
Speaker 7: the Lord and and it's a beautiful thing, and so
Speaker 7: of course they're going to get tacked attacked. And the
Speaker 7: idea that that that it's a you know, standing up
Speaker 7: and saying a Bible verse is automatically bigoted is just
Speaker 7: to show you how crazy and how leftist and how
Speaker 7: what a lunatic wing that you have there in the
Speaker 7: Democratic Party.
Speaker 6: Well, and the way they went about it, I think
Speaker 6: it was very It was very well done because all
Speaker 6: they did was attached a Bible verse that is related
Speaker 6: to rainbows, and they made it they made it very clear.
Speaker 6: They kind of forced MLB and their other critics to
Speaker 6: unmask the agenda that they come forward and say, yes,
Speaker 6: we are specifically requiring you to affirm this version of
Speaker 6: what pride is. You're not allowed to. You don't even
Speaker 6: have to.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 6: You're not condemning gaze in any way. You're not condemning anyone.
Speaker 6: All you're doing is is tweaking this in a little
Speaker 6: way in the direction of your faith. And they're swooping
Speaker 6: in and saying we're onto what you're doing and you're
Speaker 6: not allowed to do it.
Speaker 3: I think they I think they went about it in a.
Speaker 2: Very it was class No, it was classy. And and yeah,
Speaker 2: Blake's talking about they put Genesis nine twelve through sixteen,
Speaker 2: which is in no way Covenant where God says, you
Speaker 2: know when you see a rainbow in this guy, we're
Speaker 2: promising not God's promising not to flood the earth again
Speaker 2: like he did in the Time of No So it's
Speaker 2: it was a it was a very classy thing to do.
Speaker 2: And my point, Rob, and I think you were basically
Speaker 2: making this point is that as being the bigoted ones
Speaker 2: against Christians and we're sick of this anti Christian bias.
Speaker 2: And to your point, it doesn't just it's not enough
Speaker 2: to tolerate. Now they make you accept it, they make
Speaker 2: you celebrate it, and then they make you participate in it.
Speaker 2: You have to get your kids, have to participate in it.
Speaker 2: It becomes the new civic religion of like everybody has
Speaker 2: to be proud of gay people and it just becomes
Speaker 2: so all consuming in your face. As you said, they
Speaker 2: get a whole month and then they a couple of
Speaker 2: Christians come out and put a Bible verse on their hat,
Speaker 2: and oh that's a line too far. It became so imbalanced.
Speaker 7: It's the hypocrisy of it because you know these you know, ballplayers,
Speaker 7: baseball players as well, took a knee and then you
Speaker 7: could look that up. They actually did do that, not
Speaker 7: just the football players, but baseball players too, and none
Speaker 7: of them were reprimanded for taking a kneed during the
Speaker 7: national anthem. So you have just the cow telling to
Speaker 7: this particular extreme leftist ideology and everyone and if you
Speaker 7: don't comply and you don't go along with it, you don't.
Speaker 7: They also they want you to participate in it. And
Speaker 7: if you don't participate, so it's one thing too, you
Speaker 7: have your right and now you just instead of leaving
Speaker 7: people alone, now you're forcing people to participate, you're forcing
Speaker 7: them to be in this, to take part. And that's
Speaker 7: where it steps over into a civil rights issue. And
Speaker 7: you know, it's I'm tired of this Christianity being a
Speaker 7: dormat religion for everybody else's and stepping on it and
Speaker 7: people not stepping up. And I'm also tired of evangelicals
Speaker 7: not voting. They have to step up. I mean, how
Speaker 7: do you get a real hateful, ugly human being like
Speaker 7: elon Omar in Congress? Well, because the Mosques tell eighty five,
Speaker 7: you know, tell they tell their constituents to vote, and
Speaker 7: ninety three percent of will vote on a blog, we
Speaker 7: have to have our pastors step up. They have to
Speaker 7: have our pastors get involved, because you know, the idea
Speaker 7: of that somehow this isn't going to continue and this
Speaker 7: isn't going to continue to erode our rights is an illusion,
Speaker 7: as you're seeing now, and you know, the Supreme Court
Speaker 7: already made a decision about you know, you can't force
Speaker 7: people to do something outside their deeply held religious beliefs.
Speaker 7: With the Colorado bakers who refuse to make a wedding
Speaker 7: cake for a gay couple because they just refuse to
Speaker 7: do it. And if they're right, and you know, find it.
Speaker 7: Instead of finding another baker, they have to force their
Speaker 7: agenda on somebody else. And that's what we're really talking about,
Speaker 7: forcing things on other people.
Speaker 6: And I'm glad you just bring that up, because that
Speaker 6: gets so much at the Left's agenda because they've gone
Speaker 6: after that Baker, I think three four times. Every time
Speaker 6: he gets the legal win, they find a new excuse
Speaker 6: to harass him again. It's a real intense psychopathic desire
Speaker 6: to take that guy down, and that is what we're
Speaker 6: up against.
Speaker 2: Well, and Rob, you are a comedian here, so I
Speaker 2: do want to. I do I want to. I want
Speaker 2: to keep the levet because it's so much fun. You're
Speaker 2: so you're so good at weaving in your comedy with
Speaker 2: all this stuff. So Michael our caboose, he is our
Speaker 2: he's working the soundboard. He said, if Cornhole is gay,
Speaker 2: then I must be Neil Patrick Harris. So that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: And then and then I have to play this clip
Speaker 2: from Kramer uh or from Seinfeld. We remember, you'll remember
Speaker 2: the the ribbon wearing and I have to do it
Speaker 2: because it was one of Charlie's favorite clips from Seinfeld.
Speaker 2: So we are all now Kramer in the ribbon twenty two. Okay,
Speaker 2: you're checked in. Here's your AI's ripped.
Speaker 1: No thanks, you don't want to wear an AIDS ribbon?
Speaker 9: No no, but you have to wear an AIDS ribbon.
Speaker 1: I have to, yes, see, that's why I don't want to,
Speaker 1: but everyone mrs the ribbon, you must wear the ribbon,
Speaker 1: which you are?
Speaker 4: You're a ribbon bully.
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, you come back here, come back here and
Speaker 2: put this on?
Speaker 9: Hey, where's your ribbon?
Speaker 4: Oh? I don't wear the drift.
Speaker 2: You don't wear the rhybon?
Speaker 4: Aren't you against a.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm against says I mean, I'm walking, aren't I
Speaker 1: just don't wear the ribbons?
Speaker 7: Who do you think you are?
Speaker 2: Put the ribbon on? Etc. Bob, this guy won't wear
Speaker 2: a ribbon?
Speaker 3: Who who doesn't want to wear the ribbon? We are
Speaker 3: in the dictatorship of the ribbon bull.
Speaker 7: Yes, rob has become it. It has become that. It
Speaker 7: has become a sitcom, except there's there's just no laughs.
Speaker 7: There's no laughs in this thing. So I do think,
Speaker 7: you know, it's it's a good thing that's happened because
Speaker 7: anytime we can have this exposed and bring up christ
Speaker 7: and bring up the fact that you know that Christians
Speaker 7: need to stand up. I mean, we really do the
Speaker 7: idea of just you know, we're okay with everything we're not.
Speaker 7: I mean, the Bible is very specific. You can't just
Speaker 7: go and pick out stuff out of the Bible. Well,
Speaker 7: we'll be okay with that, but we're not okay. I
Speaker 7: guess we'll be okay with this, but we'll accept this.
Speaker 7: But no, we have to go by the what with
Speaker 7: the you know what the Good Book says. And if
Speaker 7: you don't do that, you're in trouble and you have
Speaker 7: a society that's flipping. And this is happening here and
Speaker 7: so anytime we could do it, but you're right that
Speaker 7: it has to be done with levity and we have
Speaker 7: to be done. It doesn't work to scold people, and
Speaker 7: you know, just leave you with father. Steve told me
Speaker 7: and DC recently said you ever try to pull on
Speaker 7: a plant to make it grow? And I went, no,
Speaker 7: So do you think it would help? No, Well, it's
Speaker 7: the same thing, uh with with with preaching. You just
Speaker 7: got to just plant the seeds and then let it grow.
Speaker 7: So in the middle of this u of this thing,
Speaker 7: I think a lot of a lot of good to
Speaker 7: come from it because I think we stood up for
Speaker 7: these these players. They're good guys. And I'd like to
Speaker 7: see some other baseball players and some other people put
Speaker 7: some things on, you know, on their uniform. You mean,
Speaker 7: you see, you know, the idea that Major League Baseball
Speaker 7: doesn't allow stuff on their uniforms. You see stuff on
Speaker 7: them all the time they honor another player, they put
Speaker 7: something on it on their hats and things. So it's
Speaker 7: it's it's very very telling that that Christianity is the
Speaker 7: one that is constantly attacked.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Rob, I'm pretty sure that if the if these
Speaker 2: players would have you know, etched with a sharpie on
Speaker 2: their hat something you know, pro l g B t
Speaker 2: q I A plus or whatever, that we wouldn't be
Speaker 2: hearing about the story at all. It would have just
Speaker 2: been let.
Speaker 7: And I'm still waiting for the first university protests for
Speaker 7: the Nigerian massacre of Christians, and you know it ain't happen.
Speaker 7: So we got to just But the thing about is
Speaker 7: anytime we could we're getting attacked is because we're in
Speaker 7: the intendency. You see churches packed, right, Yeah, you see
Speaker 7: people coming to the Lord. You see people coming to
Speaker 7: the Lord, and every in every facet of uh, you know,
Speaker 7: in every job, and it's coming up. And so for
Speaker 7: this to come up as just another reminder that you know,
Speaker 7: my favorite expression is christ our thirty one. This is
Speaker 7: just a mop up.
Speaker 2: Mission, Amen, Rob Schneider good man and a very funny man.
Speaker 2: And you're doing you're doing a good thing. Rob. We
Speaker 2: just wanted to support you in that. God bless you.
Speaker 2: Talk to you soon. You know, this MLB story has
Speaker 2: really gotten some legs. You got Senator Josh Holly is
Speaker 2: writing letters demanding answers from the MLB for penalizing Christian
Speaker 2: players for showing their faith. You've got obviously, what Rob
Speaker 2: did you know, saying he's gonna get behind them pay
Speaker 2: their fines. Now you've got the Attorney General of the
Speaker 2: State of Florida launching an investigation into anti Christian bias
Speaker 2: by the MLB.
Speaker 6: And I should note, by the way, that it's not
Speaker 6: like MLS MLB is any random business. It is worth
Speaker 6: remembering MLB gets special carve outs from Congress. Antitrust law
Speaker 6: doesn't apply to Major League Baseball, and I believe other
Speaker 6: of our professional sports leagues, for very they're given a
Speaker 6: special carve out from Congress, and cons absolutely has the
Speaker 6: right to say if we don't think you're adhering to
Speaker 6: the good of the American people, if you're pushing this
Speaker 6: very politicized agenda on your players, on your fans, we
Speaker 6: should be able to raise an eyebrow and ask why
Speaker 6: are you getting all these special protections. I totally agree,
Speaker 6: and they get endless taxpayer money at the local and
Speaker 6: state level to build these stadiums that I will I
Speaker 6: will tell all of you are absolutely do.
Speaker 3: Not work out along the bottom line. That is totally
Speaker 3: a subsidy to people who are already very wealthy.
Speaker 2: But they're beautiful. They're cathedrals to the America's.
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, all right, Dodgers fans.
Speaker 2: This is the reason that I get so upset and
Speaker 2: so passionate about this issues because I am a diehard
Speaker 2: baseball fan. I love baseball. It is in my bones.
Speaker 2: I played it from the time I was three years old,
Speaker 2: played in high school. You know, I played it growing up.
Speaker 2: It's such a formative part of my childhood that I
Speaker 2: hate watching the MLB do this kind of crap. So
Speaker 2: they're trying to walk it back. I think they've been
Speaker 2: properly scolded by the way they're trying to say, Hey,
Speaker 2: we didn't find them, we're just warning them as a
Speaker 2: standard operating procedure. Good back off, You've been properly warned.
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, I want to finish some of what
Speaker 2: we were saying about this JCPOA. The JCPOA, of course,
Speaker 2: being Obama's deal, and the President, to his credit, has
Speaker 2: been ripping it and he got out of it in
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen because it was a roadmap to getting a bomb.
Speaker 2: You know what they would do during the JCPOA. They
Speaker 2: would announce that they're going to come inspect some site,
Speaker 2: and they would give him a month warning, and then
Speaker 2: they would come inspect the site and guess what, everything
Speaker 2: had been moved very conveniently. All right. It was a
Speaker 2: terrible deal. It had no teeth. And this is the point.
Speaker 2: President Trump deserves a lot of credit here because I'll
Speaker 2: just go through some of the names that are ripping
Speaker 2: him to shreds right now for even attempting this deal, Okay.
Speaker 2: Senator Lindsay Graham calling it a nightmare for Israel. Senator
Speaker 2: Ted Cruz, who I like it, said he's deeply concerned
Speaker 2: about reports of the deal, especially any involvement of figures
Speaker 2: like Rob Malley, seen as a dove. Senator Roger Wicker,
Speaker 2: who's the Senator Armed Services Chair, He's a Republican from Mississippi.
Speaker 2: He labeled a rumored sixty day ceasefire a disaster. Okay.
Speaker 2: Mike Pompeo, former Trump Secretary of State, he compared the
Speaker 2: floated deal to Obama era approach. Okay, and it's just
Speaker 2: what we're addressing now. John Bolton, mister Wallrice, who just
Speaker 2: did a plead deal with the DOJ, called it a
Speaker 2: big defeat for the US. Mark Levin strongly criticized the
Speaker 2: lack of transparency. To be fair, Mark is just asking
Speaker 2: to see the MoU The president has said that he's
Speaker 2: gonna read it himself. Okay. All of these people, and
Speaker 2: then you combine that with a slew of lefties that
Speaker 2: are calling this at a big defeat for the US,
Speaker 2: that we lost a war.
Speaker 3: Some are gloating over US.
Speaker 6: Some people clearly just want Iran to win, and so
Speaker 6: they're going to say this because I guess just hate America.
Speaker 2: I don't know that they want to round or win
Speaker 2: as much as they did Trump. A lot of them
Speaker 2: want around to win. I think you're right. So, but
Speaker 2: here's here's the point. President Trump deserves a ton of
Speaker 2: credit here because he's resisting the Swan song of the neocons.
Speaker 2: They want the old model, which is regime change. I
Speaker 2: could make the argument that the best thing that ever
Speaker 2: happened in this whole conflict is that you decapitated forty
Speaker 2: or fifty of the top leaders without a full regime change.
Speaker 2: If there was regime change, who knows what would have happened.
Speaker 2: Would the entire Iranian country be forced into a massive
Speaker 2: civil war? Right now?
Speaker 6: This is something that Charlie would talk about, that he
Speaker 6: would say, when you get regime change. We saw this
Speaker 6: in Iraq that we throughout the government, and most of
Speaker 6: the people who died in Iraq were not killed by
Speaker 6: US forces fighting insurgents or insurgents attacking US horses. Most
Speaker 6: of the death in Iraq after we invaded it was
Speaker 6: Iraqis of one group killing Iraqis in another group attacking
Speaker 6: Christians attack Sooning's attacking Shiahs. And you can easily imagine
Speaker 6: that happening. Iran as a multiethnic country. It's a country
Speaker 6: with Secularists and Islamists and some people just stuck in
Speaker 6: the middle. That country, full of mountains, full of tribes
Speaker 6: can absolutely go to Hell in a handbasket.
Speaker 3: And Charlie warned about that well.
Speaker 2: And so this is what I'm saying is that it was,
Speaker 2: you know, a very possible outcome here that after the
Speaker 2: initial strikes, after the initial bombing, that the regime could fall,
Speaker 2: but it didn't. It held on. You got to give
Speaker 2: They're not good people. I'm not pro the regime here.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying you gotta give them some credit for
Speaker 2: holding on. Okay, Yeah, they did it in a brutal way.
Speaker 2: They killed forty thousand innocent protesters in January. Well guess what,
Speaker 2: the protesters were probably scared to take to the streets again.
Speaker 2: But this gives you the chance to say, hey, we
Speaker 2: used force, we mean business. Don't mess with us again.
Speaker 2: As President Trump, drop some bombs on you, but at
Speaker 2: least the country is not thrown into mass chaos. We
Speaker 2: I'll never forget when we had those Iranians come out.
Speaker 2: They were part of the diaspora and the lead up
Speaker 2: to this, and they were saying eighty percent of the
Speaker 2: population would support regime change. I'm not sure at all
Speaker 2: believe that. First of all, even if it's twenty or
Speaker 2: thirty percent that are regime loyalists, do you think those
Speaker 2: people are just gonna go away? Do you think that
Speaker 2: they were if the regime fell, that they were just
Speaker 2: gonna go away, or do you think they were gonna
Speaker 2: form factions of militarized units to then attack whatever was
Speaker 2: put in its place. So I'm not saying I know
Speaker 2: what the right outcome is. I'm not saying that that
Speaker 2: the regime not falling is good. I'm just saying you
Speaker 2: could make the argument. Okay, So maybe this gives an
Speaker 2: opportunity for the hardliners and the moderates to take their
Speaker 2: places within this new command structure that is sort of
Speaker 2: existing and surviving through this conflict, and maybe there is
Speaker 2: a real chance of having a better, more positive outcome
Speaker 2: in the in the end. But here's the deal. President
Speaker 2: Trump has ejected the Neocon model, which was boots on
Speaker 2: the ground, which was never gonna happen here. So I
Speaker 2: don't know what they want. That's the question. What do
Speaker 2: they want? Do you want American boots on the ground.
Speaker 6: That is what they I'll lay it out, that's what
Speaker 6: they want. What I think, frankly, what happened with a
Speaker 6: lot of these people. I think this is what Lindsay
Speaker 6: Graham wanted, It's what Mark Levin wanted. They believed that
Speaker 6: they could sell President Trump on this will be easy.
Speaker 6: You can take out the regime with a strike and
Speaker 6: maybe they thought that could actually happen, but they thought
Speaker 6: if it didn't happen, he'll be he's pot committed, he'll
Speaker 6: have they can go, well, you're already in you might
Speaker 6: as well put boots on the ground.
Speaker 3: And you saw that.
Speaker 6: You saw the people saying, oh, just a few thousand
Speaker 6: troops on car g Island and the whole thing will
Speaker 6: fall from there. And if that had happened, then in failed,
Speaker 6: they'd say, well, we already have boots on the ground,
Speaker 6: may as well go all the way to Tehran. I
Speaker 6: think people thought that would happen, and President Trump deserves
Speaker 6: credit for not going along with it.
Speaker 2: I think Jade Vance deserves a ton of credit as well.
Speaker 2: He's been out front the last couple of days selling
Speaker 2: this piece deal to the American people, and I completely
Speaker 2: support it. I want peace, We want peace. It is
Speaker 2: not our job to regime change all over the world
Speaker 2: just because we don't like somebody. Okay, this is a
Speaker 2: great deal for the American people. No nuclear, that was
Speaker 2: the goal. He accomplished the goal. Let's get out, let's
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Speaker 10: Well thanks a lot, Andrew, it's gonna be with you again.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. For the newly watching or the people that are
Speaker 2: unfamiliar with what classical Christian education even is, maybe just
Speaker 2: define what it is so that we have our lexicon
Speaker 2: right right.
Speaker 10: Well, you know, the best way I can talk about
Speaker 10: that is when Pete Heggs Seth originally called me back
Speaker 10: in twenty twenty and wanted to know if we had
Speaker 10: a patriotic form of education. My response to him was, well,
Speaker 10: classical Christian education isn't patriotic per se, but it is
Speaker 10: the education that all of our founding fathers were steeped in.
Speaker 10: So in effect, it's the mother of patriotism. It brings
Speaker 10: in the important values. It's really based in training children
Speaker 10: how to think well and how to be virtuous, and
Speaker 10: then working with children to develop their wonder their interest
Speaker 10: in the world around them, and trying to do that
Speaker 10: in the You know, in the context of this book
Speaker 10: that you had shown that. When we got done with
Speaker 10: the Battle for the American Mind, it became a New
Speaker 10: York Times number one best seller and it sold strongly
Speaker 10: all summer long, so it wasn't just a flash in
Speaker 10: the pan. And even to this day it's still a
Speaker 10: very strong selling book. And that's unusual for political books,
Speaker 10: and it was only sort of political. But when we
Speaker 10: got done with it, the people at HarperCollins, who published
Speaker 10: the original, said, we really need a follow on that
Speaker 10: can describe what this classical education is and how it works.
Speaker 10: And that's what this book does. It gives you insight
Speaker 10: into exactly how to make this difference in our culture
Speaker 10: war today.
Speaker 6: So how do you make this difference? I suppose that's
Speaker 6: that's that's the obvious follow up there. What are the
Speaker 6: christ steps?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 10: Uh, first off, it's based in the trivium, which are grammar, logic,
Speaker 10: and rhetorics. So use train kids how to use words. Well,
Speaker 10: they read a lot of serious, more serious books, uh,
Speaker 10: and you teach them the grammar of how to how
Speaker 10: to understand those books. Well, then you train them in logic, uh,
Speaker 10: using logic to work their way through arguments. And then
Speaker 10: you do what's called the rhetoric's age, when they kind
Speaker 10: of develop their understanding and their ability to communicate with others.
Speaker 10: I mean, obviously Charlie was a master of rhetoric. Naturally,
Speaker 10: most of us aren't naturally that way, and so we
Speaker 10: have to be trained up in it. And so it
Speaker 10: does those things. But it also works with biblical integration.
Speaker 10: So there's only one source of truth. That one source
Speaker 10: of truth is Christ, and that informs all of our subjects.
Speaker 10: So you I don't find as many Bible classes and
Speaker 10: chapels in classical Christian schools. Most of what you see
Speaker 10: is the integration of Christ into the understanding of science,
Speaker 10: into the understanding of politics, into the understanding of literature
Speaker 10: and the humanities. So those are some of the elements
Speaker 10: of classical Christian education. It is very it is a
Speaker 10: very different form of education. It breaks most of the
Speaker 10: rules that you were probably taught in school. For example,
Speaker 10: a lot of public schools they'll say, you know, what
Speaker 10: will a student know and what will they be able
Speaker 10: to do? We call that, and history has called that
Speaker 10: servile education. You're basically just training someone to do a job.
Speaker 10: What classical Christian education does is train someone to be
Speaker 10: a citizen who can shape the future of the country.
Speaker 10: And that's why Charlie was so keen on it.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many reasons to get behind classical
Speaker 2: Christian education. I think it's by far the most I
Speaker 2: think effective form of education. Talk about how young kids
Speaker 2: learned to think, they learned to use logic, they learn
Speaker 2: to use grammar. But also it does tend to create patriots,
Speaker 2: and it does tend to insulate against some of these
Speaker 2: values of wokeness, the capture of the public school system.
Speaker 2: And here's one of my favorite aspects of it is
Speaker 2: that when you get a kid in private education classical
Speaker 2: Christian education, you're helping to break the back of the
Speaker 2: public teachers' unions. Maybe describe how powerful they have become, David,
Speaker 2: and why they pose such a threat to the nation.
Speaker 10: You know, I've been working on some projects that involve
Speaker 10: the public schools, and I am just I haven't done
Speaker 10: that before. I have been shocked at how much the
Speaker 10: unions have really destroyed education in this country. And I
Speaker 10: hate to overstate it. I don't want to use hyperbolic language,
Speaker 10: but really I had no idea coming in the private
Speaker 10: school world. I never worked in the public sector. The
Speaker 10: teachers are just constrained. They really can't provoke wondering students
Speaker 10: anymore because of all the bureaucratic red tape that goes
Speaker 10: on in these schools. So I think the public schools
Speaker 10: are going to die a death of their own making.
Speaker 10: I don't really think the loss of classical Christian education
Speaker 10: to our culture needs to be its counterpoint, because it's
Speaker 10: just wilting on the vine. The unions are so powerful
Speaker 10: they're assuring that that's the case. I'm here in Chicago
Speaker 10: where the union the teachers' unions single handedly elected the
Speaker 10: mayor in terms of money. You see this kind of thing,
Speaker 10: and you go, okay, those who are in power don't
Speaker 10: care very much. I'll tell a quick story here. I
Speaker 10: was in a room full of public educators and I
Speaker 10: was trying to figure out who would be an ally
Speaker 10: for the student. And there were like two out of
Speaker 10: a room full of seventy public educators who ever said
Speaker 10: anything In the course of hours of conversation about the students.
Speaker 10: They talked about all kinds of systems and processes and
Speaker 10: their own interests, but they didn't talk about this students.
Speaker 10: And I just don't think you should trust the public
Speaker 10: schools with your kids. If you have public you know,
Speaker 10: if you have kids, get them out of the public schools.
Speaker 10: I hope you bring them to a classical Christian school,
Speaker 10: but if you don't teach them.
Speaker 2: At home, yeah, that's such a damning indictment. I don't
Speaker 2: think you should trust your kids with the public schools.
Speaker 2: Charlie definitely agreed with that. I agree with that. It's
Speaker 2: one of the reasons school choice is so critically important.
Speaker 2: And you should put them in a classical Christian school
Speaker 2: if you can, or as you said, homeschool. All right,
Speaker 2: we are talking about classical Christian education. With David Goodwin,
Speaker 2: the author of Forging the American Mind, and you like,
Speaker 2: I said, oh, you might remember his book with Pete Hegseth,
Speaker 2: Battle for the American Mind, uprooting a center of miseducation.
Speaker 2: How do these two books play into one another, David.
Speaker 10: Well, we when Beete and I got to the end
Speaker 10: of Battle for the American Mind, which was really diagnosing
Speaker 10: the problem that we had in American education, we thought,
Speaker 10: how will we in this, and uh, we decided that.
Speaker 10: You know, I asked him, I said, what was it
Speaker 10: you did in the military and he said he was
Speaker 10: a counter insurgency officer. Now I don't have any military backgrounds.
Speaker 10: I said, what is that and he said, well, when
Speaker 10: you have a small force and you are not able
Speaker 10: to overcome the enemy directly, you kind of do it
Speaker 10: to an insurgency. And I said, well, that's what we
Speaker 10: need to do. We need to start an insurgency for education.
Speaker 10: And so that's how we ended the book was with
Speaker 10: a call to people to join the insurgency, to get
Speaker 10: their kids out of publish schools, get them into classical
Speaker 10: Christian schools. And then we left it. And so the
Speaker 10: question what what do we do? How do we do that?
Speaker 10: So one of the one of the points I make,
Speaker 10: and I think Pete makes this in the introduction to
Speaker 10: this book. Actually Pete writes the forward of it, and
Speaker 10: he makes the point that the Army field Guide is
Speaker 10: the is the hand companion.
Speaker 4: For every footsore.
Speaker 10: You're out there to give them all the information they
Speaker 10: need to do their job out in the field. So
Speaker 10: I would call this a field guide for classical education.
Speaker 10: Whether it's for parents, for the politically interested, or for educators,
Speaker 10: it will tell you exactly what you need to know
Speaker 10: to get the job done, and that's what it's set
Speaker 10: out to do.
Speaker 2: I love that insurgency.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I feel so upbeat about this because you
Speaker 6: and I know one of the struggles we go against.
Speaker 6: It's so tempting to blackpill, to be dispirited, and education
Speaker 6: is one of the fields where I feel you should
Speaker 6: be so happy about what's happened.
Speaker 3: You have. It's always a political struggle. It's a struggle
Speaker 3: here in Arizona.
Speaker 6: But the laws for educating your own children how you
Speaker 6: want are better than ever. You can get vouchers stuff
Speaker 6: for homeschooling. The resources for it are absolutely incredible at
Speaker 6: this point. The ways you can organize with other parents,
Speaker 6: if you wanted to do a homeschooling co op, a
Speaker 6: homeschooling pod, whatever you want to call those things. They've
Speaker 6: gotten so good and I just feel, and then you
Speaker 6: compare with that story you were telling about unionized tea
Speaker 6: in Chicago, where these have become a totally parasitic apparatus.
Speaker 6: They exist, two funnel taxpayer money to teachers whether they
Speaker 6: teach or not, and spoilers they don't. I just feel
Speaker 6: we've set up a very strong system where our children
Speaker 6: are going to learn, and they're going to have values,
Speaker 6: and they're going to know how to teach themselves. And
Speaker 6: the people coming out of these madrasas they're setting up
Speaker 6: in Chicago or Los Angeles or any blue city of choice,
Speaker 6: they're not going to know anything and they're not going
Speaker 6: to know how to fix that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you seeing that, David? The quality of the
Speaker 2: students coming out of the classical Christian programs and the
Speaker 2: institutions that have been set up. I mean, they've got
Speaker 2: to be comparatively way more competitive to when you compare
Speaker 2: them to their public school counterparts.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Well, a couple of resources on that. So we did
Speaker 10: a study a few years ago called the Good Soil Study.
Speaker 10: It was done by the University of Notre Dame in
Speaker 10: conjunction with several others, and it compared graduates age twenty
Speaker 10: four to forty four in their life outcomes, not just academics,
Speaker 10: although it did include that part, but also just their
Speaker 10: joy in life and their church attendants and things like that.
Speaker 10: And it's very affirmative that classical Christian education is radically
Speaker 10: different producers radically different outcomes. I want to go back
Speaker 10: to what was said. You can find that by the
Speaker 10: way on Classical Christian dot org. It's called the Good
Speaker 10: Soil Study. But I want to go back to what
Speaker 10: was said about school choice program. So we are sitting
Speaker 10: at the cusp of a huge opportunity, and this is
Speaker 10: where we can really thank the Trump administration. There's a
Speaker 10: federal tax credit starting next year that'll be available, and
Speaker 10: that is going to help with school choice if you're
Speaker 10: not living in Arizona. In fact, it helps in most
Speaker 10: almost all states. The governors have to approve it. But
Speaker 10: the other is that seventeen or nineteen, I think it's
Speaker 10: up to nineteen now states have put in what are
Speaker 10: called universal school choice programs, which I like. For example,
Speaker 10: in the state of Texas. You can get up to
Speaker 10: ten thousand dollars to send your child to a private
Speaker 10: school there and it's not income constrained like is often
Speaker 10: the case, at least not income constrained in a meaningful way.
Speaker 10: So there's lots of opportunity coming for parents now who
Speaker 10: can't afford classical, little Christian education that will be able
Speaker 10: to in the next year. Be sure and keep your
Speaker 10: eye on those programs because we're expecting to have to
Speaker 10: build around five thousand new schools to meet the demand
Speaker 10: over those nineteen states at this point. And we've got
Speaker 10: a site that we've put up for that that Pete
Speaker 10: helped me with called battle for school dot org battleforce
Speaker 10: school dot org. If you're interested in helping with that,
Speaker 10: you can jump in there. But it is it is
Speaker 10: going to be the opportunity of a lifetime for us
Speaker 10: in the next couple of years because of school choice,
Speaker 10: to be able to move parents away from the public
Speaker 10: school system.
Speaker 2: I love it. I just want to explain to the
Speaker 2: audience one more time why this is such a passion issue.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned at the beginning. You are at the
Speaker 2: Educator's Summit in Chicago with turning point which is sold
Speaker 2: out event. I think we have the graphic up there,
Speaker 2: really proud of what the team has put together and
Speaker 2: what they're accomplishing there. So God bless you for that.
Speaker 2: Some of the best minds in education are gathered right
Speaker 2: now making a difference in forging a new future for
Speaker 2: America's children, america students. But listen, if you want to
Speaker 2: break if you look at what's happening in California, for example,
Speaker 2: with the crazy electioneering that's been going on. You know,
Speaker 2: as Steve Hilton calls it, it's legalized corruption. So much
Speaker 2: of that. And you see in Chicago, where you're at
Speaker 2: right now, so much of what we see these insane
Speaker 2: outcomes happens directly because the teachers' unions are taking taxpayer money,
Speaker 2: funneling it into the unions and funneling it into Democrat
Speaker 2: politicians who are not putting the best interests of your children. First,
Speaker 2: let's just be really honest about that. Go ahead, and
Speaker 2: let's be frank. Two.
Speaker 6: We always hear about, oh, colleges turn kids to the left,
Speaker 6: But I'd say it's vastly more important that they're sitting
Speaker 6: in these public schools or private schools that are being
Speaker 6: fed all of these lives from the age of five
Speaker 6: the age of six. They get every left wing assumption
Speaker 6: baked into their head at a very young age by
Speaker 6: pretty sinister people, and a lot of people didn't really
Speaker 6: realize this until COVID.
Speaker 3: We have the chance to break the separatus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and guys like David Goodwin are leading the charge,
Speaker 2: So God bless you. I'm so glad that the momentum
Speaker 2: started with Pete Hegseth is continuing on and continuing on
Speaker 2: through this book, through educators Summit. It is the future.
Speaker 2: It is truly a top three issue, maybe it's the
Speaker 2: top issue. So thank you for leading the charge, David,
Speaker 2: appreciate you well.
Speaker 10: It's joy and as Peete says, it is the issue.
Speaker 3: So amen, thank you.
Speaker 4: Good to be with you.
Speaker 2: Good conversation is about respect. It's how we create a
Speaker 2: space where people are able to share their ideas and
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Speaker 2: and we can share what's on our minds and learn
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Speaker 2: behind a problem most of us wouldn't even know how
Speaker 2: to name, or a father sharing a lifetime of knowledge
Speaker 2: with his viewers. Viewers who listen discuss, and then they respond.
Speaker 2: TikTok turns connection into community through small acts of understanding.
Speaker 2: You can feel it in the comments and the thank
Speaker 2: you from a stranger halfway across the world. TikTok is
Speaker 2: a place where respect opens the door for discussion, and
Speaker 2: discussion helps us build something real. So we have a
Speaker 2: special treat in store for you, guys. We have two students.
Speaker 2: We like to do this sometimes on the show because
Speaker 2: it's so important that you, the audience and America in
Speaker 2: general understands what young students are thinking. And we just
Speaker 2: did our women's Leadership summit, so we thought we would
Speaker 2: focus it on women's issues, all right, So here to
Speaker 2: help us do that, as Sage Lloyd, Utah Valley University
Speaker 2: TPUSA chapter member and Kristin Roberts Keller, Texas Home School
Speaker 2: grad Club America. I did I get that right? Hey, ladies,
Speaker 2: how are you doing great? So you guys both went
Speaker 2: to Women's Leadership Summit this year. I'm gonna start with you, Sage,
Speaker 2: give us your overall impressions. Was it your first time,
Speaker 2: second time, third time, and what did you take away
Speaker 2: from the event.
Speaker 9: So that was my first time going. It was so
Speaker 9: so good. I feel like we learned a lot about
Speaker 9: how to empower women to lead and to be strong conservatives,
Speaker 9: but not in the way that typical feminists try to
Speaker 9: empower women. I feel like the modern feminist movement has
Speaker 9: taken away empowerment from women. So I really like seeing
Speaker 9: things from your conservative side and understanding how to be
Speaker 9: a strong leader and how to lead as a woman
Speaker 9: in the day and age that we're in where it's
Speaker 9: very difficult.
Speaker 2: Like, so, what are some examples of what that leadership
Speaker 2: would look like? Because I do I agree with you
Speaker 2: there is a feminist model of this, which is you
Speaker 2: you got to be a girl boss, you have freezer eggs,
Speaker 2: you got to hate men, and you got to earn
Speaker 2: all this money and I don't know whatever else their
Speaker 2: pitching these days, but the conservative, more traditional value set
Speaker 2: looks a lot different. So what specifically did you see
Speaker 2: in terms of what that leadership would look like?
Speaker 9: I think a lot of it. And we had some
Speaker 9: really good speakers that talked a lot about how to
Speaker 9: be a strong mother and how to be a strong wife,
Speaker 9: which I think is something that gets overlooked a lot
Speaker 9: when you hear the leftist cries about hating traditional values
Speaker 9: and hating trod wifes. They try to pull away from
Speaker 9: from wives submitting to their husbands and being there to
Speaker 9: help out their husbands and want to separate that completely.
Speaker 9: I mean, we have a a lot of man haters
Speaker 9: in my generation. So we learned a lot from some
Speaker 9: really good speakers about how to engage with your family
Speaker 9: in a way that's productive and how to lead not
Speaker 9: only those around you, but your children. I mean, you're
Speaker 9: raising a future generation of the next leader, So how
Speaker 9: to properly raise your children and support your husband in
Speaker 9: a way that's going to have a meaningful impact.
Speaker 2: Kristin, you're from Texas. Was this your first w LS?
Speaker 11: No, it is not. I have been going to yw
Speaker 11: LESS since I was fourteen, so this is yeah. I've
Speaker 11: been going many times.
Speaker 2: Wow, So why do you keep going back? And what?
Speaker 2: Like what have you seen over the years, Like the
Speaker 2: has it changed? Is the messaging changed? I'm curious of
Speaker 2: that perspective. Yeah.
Speaker 11: So my first year, I was very young. I had
Speaker 11: just gotten out of no school and the first year
Speaker 11: was so impactful in my life. I went home and
Speaker 11: I was so inspired by Alex Clark, Charlie Kirk and
Speaker 11: all the other women speaking, and every year whenever they
Speaker 11: were around my town, I always try to go. This
Speaker 11: was my first time going to San Antonio one, but
Speaker 11: this year, as being graduated from high school, it was
Speaker 11: so inspiring hearing Alex Clark, hear her speak and seeing
Speaker 11: the maturity that she's grown over the years in how
Speaker 11: she was single and she was trying to empower us
Speaker 11: as women, but now she's in the maturity of how
Speaker 11: to become a great wife, a great mother and also
Speaker 11: for those who are single and how to become that
Speaker 11: for their children in feature well.
Speaker 2: So this is always the controversy at our women's event
Speaker 2: here is you know, I think a lot of journalists
Speaker 2: that cover it or write about it, they like to
Speaker 2: kind of mock, you know, women being thoughtful about wanting
Speaker 2: to be a wife or being a good mother, and
Speaker 2: they I think they look at that still even in
Speaker 2: the reporting is less than or weakness and It's not
Speaker 2: like we're telling women they can't have a career or
Speaker 2: that they shouldn't pursue their own, you know, businesses or whatever.
Speaker 2: But it's it's kind of an emphasis, right. The culture
Speaker 2: would emphasize, you got to do all these things and
Speaker 2: then when you're thirty and you're already established in your career,
Speaker 2: then you can start thinking about getting married or whatever.
Speaker 2: And you see this from like call you dad, does it?
Speaker 2: Call her daddy? Or call you daddy, call youway daddy,
Speaker 2: call her daddy, Thank you, thank you studio.
Speaker 3: I can't say I have seen it.
Speaker 2: Oh we did a whole thought crime on it, I remember, anyways,
Speaker 2: But you see that, right, like she's just somebody that
Speaker 2: had her career during your two and now she's like
Speaker 2: what thirty one, thirty two or something, and she's now
Speaker 2: getting married. I guess that's the right timeline. But like,
Speaker 2: I think accelerating the timeline of when women start thinking
Speaker 2: about those things is a really important thing. Just biologically,
Speaker 2: people get mad when you say that, but it's true.
Speaker 2: How do you interpret the messaging from that event? And
Speaker 2: just in general and culture and in the conservative movement
Speaker 2: about you know, balancing the career and family. Either of
Speaker 2: you can take it.
Speaker 11: I got you. It was super encouraging for me because
Speaker 11: when we're out of high school, everybody's like, where you're
Speaker 11: going to college, what are you going to do for
Speaker 11: your career? And being the person of I want to
Speaker 11: become a mother, I want to be a wife, I
Speaker 11: want to be holistic in what I do in my
Speaker 11: day to day life is so unpopular. You get the
Speaker 11: kind of the little concerned look of like it's so different, strange,
Speaker 11: But honestly, I think us women, you can do a
Speaker 11: career your entire life. You can do whatever you need
Speaker 11: to do. But learning from Charlie and He's other women
Speaker 11: having that and being stuck in an office all day
Speaker 11: every day and what you're told is a happy life.
Speaker 11: Then you're forty and you don't have kids, you're not
Speaker 11: unhappily married with all your cats, and you're like, you
Speaker 11: feel like you've missed it, that beauty in that part
Speaker 11: of your life. So being able to be that difference
Speaker 11: and raise a younger generation to be know what true
Speaker 11: happiness is, I think we've lost that in the feminism world.
Speaker 11: Is there trying to sell something that is happy and
Speaker 11: you have all the power. But at the end of
Speaker 11: the day, they're just it's not for them.
Speaker 2: That's not what you leaves you empty, sage, What about you?
Speaker 2: How do you balance that that conversation, because again it's
Speaker 2: always the controversy, you know, career versus family, especially at
Speaker 2: the women's event. How do you balance it?
Speaker 9: I think it's really difficult. It's taken me a long
Speaker 9: time to get used to. But since I was young,
Speaker 9: my dream job was always to be a mother, to
Speaker 9: be a homemaker, and I have received a lot of
Speaker 9: negativity for that, especially from professors and mentors. That's up
Speaker 9: to you, because I mean, I was involved with a
Speaker 9: lot of things at school. I think I had a
Speaker 9: very bright future career wise, but that's that's not the
Speaker 9: path I wanted to take. I wanted to be a mother,
Speaker 9: and I would have all these people I looked up
Speaker 9: to telling me I was wasting talent and I was
Speaker 9: wasting my time and not going to be effective in
Speaker 9: this world. And it's so frustrating because I'll argue with
Speaker 9: people who are so called feminists, and I'll say, if
Speaker 9: feminism dictates that I can be anything I want, then
Speaker 9: I should be allowed to be a mother and to
Speaker 9: be a homemaker, but they just dig and dig at
Speaker 9: it because they don't want to see strong women raising
Speaker 9: strong children.
Speaker 2: Sometimes that's that's such a good point. It's like Charlie's
Speaker 2: always say that to socialists. If in America, you're free
Speaker 2: to be a socialist if you go a go have
Speaker 2: a co op somewhere. That's the beauty of it. And
Speaker 2: you guys should feel absolutely empowered and free to be
Speaker 2: whatever you want to be. So I guess the question
Speaker 2: then is, well, I'm assuming neither of you are married.
Speaker 2: Would that be a correct assumption or right? Okay? Yet?
Speaker 2: So what do you do in the interim you're you're
Speaker 2: in that in between not yet period. Are you going
Speaker 2: to be pursuing a career or a a vocation of
Speaker 2: some sort.
Speaker 9: I kind of am. For me, I'm in college right now.
Speaker 9: Part of that's just because I love to learn. I
Speaker 9: don't necessarily plan to use my degree in the future,
Speaker 9: but I think it's good to further education and it's
Speaker 9: a good place to meet people and get engaged. That's
Speaker 9: kind of why I'm there. And then I do want
Speaker 9: to work short term. I actually do plan to work
Speaker 9: for Turning Point at some point in the future if possible,
Speaker 9: But a lot of that is just interim for me.
Speaker 9: It's until I meet that person and until I start
Speaker 9: that family. But ultimately the end goal is to be
Speaker 9: a mom. But obviously I can't put a timeline on
Speaker 9: when I'm going to get married, even though I wish
Speaker 9: I could. So it's just kind of findings to fill
Speaker 9: my time that still keep me productive and are helping
Speaker 9: to better me as a person so that I can
Speaker 9: become the person I need to be for my future spouse.
Speaker 11: What about you, Kristin, Yeah, I'm just graduating high school
Speaker 11: and I decide not to college, but I am definitely
Speaker 11: wanting to get more into TPSA and working for them,
Speaker 11: and my angle is the same message to become a
Speaker 11: mother and to be a wife. But during this time
Speaker 11: of singleness and not being with anyone, I find it
Speaker 11: so treasurable in building myself, educating myself on like vaccines
Speaker 11: for my kids, like how do I want to raise
Speaker 11: my kids, In becoming a person that I would want
Speaker 11: to marry for that person that I end up being with.
Speaker 11: And there's no better time than when you're single to
Speaker 11: figure out who you are and who you want to
Speaker 11: be with. Christ because during that time, guest dating is
Speaker 11: amazing and be engaged, but it's not the same as
Speaker 11: being single and really finding who you are for that
Speaker 11: future person.
Speaker 2: So I agree, I think God has a really it's
Speaker 2: a single them can be hard for some people, but
Speaker 2: it's also a time where God forges your character and
Speaker 2: teaches you all the things that you would need to
Speaker 2: if you say yes to His invitation to learn right,
Speaker 2: you would you learn those things that you would need
Speaker 2: to be a good husband or good wife. And so
Speaker 2: it's a precious time. It could be hard, it could
Speaker 2: be frustrating. Just ask Alex Clark, who's who I agree
Speaker 2: she was super courageous the way she gave her speech. Blake,
Speaker 2: it's safe, easy too, like makes it look easy. So
Speaker 2: we want to hear your thoughts on the issues of
Speaker 2: the day. I want to start with you, Sage. When
Speaker 2: you think about politics, what are the key issues, especially
Speaker 2: as we're heading to the midterms, that you're thinking about.
Speaker 9: I think there's the basic things that cross most especially
Speaker 9: young women's minds, which are you know, costs of living,
Speaker 9: housing costs, especially for those who want to eventually raise
Speaker 9: a family and buy a home. But I think one
Speaker 9: of the biggest issues that's on my mind today is
Speaker 9: political disengagement. I'm seeing a lot of young voters that
Speaker 9: feel that the system isn't listening to them, which is
Speaker 9: definitely affecting voter turnout. And I see this especially with
Speaker 9: conservative women. But I think that there's quite the attack
Speaker 9: on motherhood and nuclear family these days, so I'm hoping
Speaker 9: that'll kind of drive them back to the polls because
Speaker 9: we need to get more young women out voting.
Speaker 6: Well, Sage, let's expand on this a little bit. So
Speaker 6: you must know other students, if you have any personal
Speaker 6: stories to share you say they're getting disengaged. Have you
Speaker 6: heard from them? Have they said, I, maybe I voted
Speaker 6: for Trump in twenty twenty four, but I'm about this,
Speaker 6: or or on the flip side, is there something where
Speaker 6: they're happy about something that's going on. Do you have
Speaker 6: any personal experiences in that van I.
Speaker 9: Mean a lot of it is just, I'll be honest,
Speaker 9: the widespread lies by the media. I'll have friends that
Speaker 9: come to me and say, oh, well, Trump did this
Speaker 9: huge thing, or somebody on the left did this, and
Speaker 9: this is bad, And a lot of times you fact
Speaker 9: check these things and they're not even true. But the
Speaker 9: frustration is that a lot of my conservative friends just
Speaker 9: feel like there's no point in them voting. You hear
Speaker 9: a lot of them, my vote's going to be canceled
Speaker 9: out and things like that. And I hear friends on
Speaker 9: the left that are voting on pretenses that are false.
Speaker 9: They see things in the media that misconstrue, so they're
Speaker 9: voting for candidates I don't always support, whereas my conservative
Speaker 9: friends or just not voting because they just don't care
Speaker 9: to as much and they don't feel like there's a
Speaker 9: point to it, which is that's how we lose.
Speaker 6: So specifically, when you say that they're believing lies, do
Speaker 6: you think there are you hearing about, let's say Epstein stuff.
Speaker 6: Are they mad about that? Are they mad about Iran?
Speaker 6: Are they mad about ice? Did they get really upset
Speaker 6: by some of the stuff with the ice raids in Minneapolis?
Speaker 6: I know that was very well, that was covered very
Speaker 6: negatively back their conservatives.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're saying, well, we're not getting mass deportations anyways.
Speaker 9: I hear a lot of different issues. I know, for one,
Speaker 9: it is mass deportations. I have some friends that are
Speaker 9: we're hopeful for a more tightly close border more deportations,
Speaker 9: and they're not seeing that. I know. Also, things like
Speaker 9: the war and I ran are they're frustrating topics for
Speaker 9: some people that are close to me, and they're highly
Speaker 9: debated among some of my friends. And also a lot
Speaker 9: of distrust came from the release of the Epstein files
Speaker 9: in that whole situation, because there was just so much
Speaker 9: being put out and so much conversation around it, especially
Speaker 9: in the media, that a lot of it just turned
Speaker 9: a lot of people off from wanting to even engage.
Speaker 2: Kristin what about you. Are you seeing that similar trend
Speaker 2: amongst your conservative friends that just disengagement with the political process.
Speaker 11: I've seen that with certain people. They just they know
Speaker 11: it's happening, but they just don't want to be very
Speaker 11: much a part of it or like fully engaged. Like
Speaker 11: as she was saying, I think it's just like they
Speaker 11: don't care as much. But then there's others that are
Speaker 11: very much passionate about what is happening. I mean, the
Speaker 11: thing that I've seen the most for women and is
Speaker 11: the most impactful is the Islam takeover here in Texas.
Speaker 11: Texas is being very hit with the whole propaganda that
Speaker 11: Islam is okay, and that can coincide with our American values.
Speaker 11: I mean, just a couple months ago recently, Epic City
Speaker 11: was trying to build their own city for Sharia law.
Speaker 11: For those who don't know, EPIC stands for East Plano
Speaker 11: Islamic Center. They have a massive mosque out there in
Speaker 11: a small town outside of Plano, and Senator Joran Kent
Speaker 11: John Cornyn had to reach out to the DOJ to
Speaker 11: ho hold an investigation because it goes against our laws
Speaker 11: of discriminating people for not letting them live in those cities.
Speaker 11: Like they're trying to bring their values, in their laws,
Speaker 11: in their religion onto us. And like Churchill said one time,
Speaker 11: Muslims are the minority, and they'll agree with the majority
Speaker 11: instead of the majority. They do not care about the minority.
Speaker 11: They are remaining quiet. And then you have the left
Speaker 11: who is agreeing and is supporting Islam. Even though if
Speaker 11: they were to go in Iran or these other Middle
Speaker 11: Eastern countries and came out as what they are, they
Speaker 11: would be killed immediately. They would killed, they would be beaten,
Speaker 11: thrown in jail like is intense under Sharia law, and
Speaker 11: domestic violence is allowed in Shuria law. In Kuran four
Speaker 11: thirty four. If a woman does not respect or obey
Speaker 11: her husband, he first like distances himself and then allows
Speaker 11: him to beat her. This is not like, this is
Speaker 11: not our law whatsoever. They cannot believe what they believe
Speaker 11: as well as being able to try to, I guess,
Speaker 11: try to agree with us and what we believe in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's all inside. Yeah, there's a whole form
Speaker 2: of taxation and subjugation if you are in the minority
Speaker 2: in a Muslim country. Yeah, Texas, I mean, I think
Speaker 2: the audience, our audience would know very well that Texas,
Speaker 2: the whole Islamic debate has been raging. There was a
Speaker 2: big event I guess with the was it the Texas GOP.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they were just good. They Yes, some Muslims went
Speaker 6: to the GOP convention. And there's a write up in
Speaker 6: some Texas publication it's like they showed up and they
Speaker 6: were told you need to leave the convention.
Speaker 2: No the country. Yeah, so Texas is front lines for
Speaker 2: that and anyway, So that's interesting. I mean, you're you
Speaker 2: guys are seeing a breadth of disengagement to engagement. Do
Speaker 2: you see that more with young men? The disengagement sage
Speaker 2: or is it also young women.
Speaker 9: I definitely see it with my generation entirely, but I
Speaker 9: do tend to see it more with women than with men.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 9: I went at the Women's conference. I tended to break
Speaker 9: out session with turning point action and they were actually
Speaker 9: going over the numbers of conservative women and they're not
Speaker 9: voting as much as they should be. So it's across
Speaker 9: both genders, but I definitely see it more with women.
Speaker 2: What about Maha, are you guys big mahaf supporters? Yes, well,
Speaker 2: really do you feel do you feel satisfied with the
Speaker 2: with the progress that RFK Junior and others on the
Speaker 2: MAHA train that you've seen from the Trump administration.
Speaker 11: I know it takes a lot of time to fix
Speaker 11: the the current situation of our health and our food
Speaker 11: in our society, so it is a little hard to
Speaker 11: with the impatience. I think there are some things I
Speaker 11: know that aus Kark has touched on her disappointments with
Speaker 11: my Yeah, yeah, yeah, the whole pep tides and all
Speaker 11: about it, and so that is a little concerning. I am.
Speaker 11: I'm hoping for the next two years and maybe we'll
Speaker 11: see a large change in that because I know it'll
Speaker 11: take time, but that is something I'm definitely looking forward
Speaker 11: to and slightly concerned with as well.
Speaker 9: Sage, Yeah, just to piggyback, I think the same thing.
Speaker 9: There are a lot of improvements I've been really proud about.
Speaker 9: I think RFK has done a lot for the movement
Speaker 9: that we haven't seen from others. But there's definitely room
Speaker 9: to go still. But I think it's just something that
Speaker 9: takes time, and the amount of awareness we have more
Speaker 9: than I've ever seen at any point in my life,
Speaker 9: and I think it's vital. So I'm glad to see
Speaker 9: the direction that the movement is heading.
Speaker 2: We've got Sage, Lloyd and Kristen Roberts, Women's leadership, Summitt attendees,
Speaker 2: Turning Point members. Thank you guys so much for joining.
Speaker 2: It's critically important that people know what young people are
Speaker 2: thinking and feeling in this country. So God bless you guys,
Speaker 2: and be well. For more on many of these stories
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