1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: This is why I share this with people, because I 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: know people that have been in my shoes and that 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: have you know, just said, just give me a little 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: bit more time, Like let me get past this really 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: difficult time in my life. Then I'm gonna calm work. 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna stop drinking. I just can't give it 7 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: up right now. Those people are no longer here. 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 2: Welcome to Love Life Sober. I'm your host and your coach, 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 2: Christy Osborne. This podcast is for the woman who loves 10 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: Jesus or is longing to reconnect with him, and who 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 2: knows deep down that alcohol is no longer serving her. 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: Here we talk honestly, with grace and truth about how 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: stepping away from alcohol opens the door to the love, joy, 14 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: peace and connection you've been searching for. Because, Babe, those 15 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 2: things were never meant to be found in a bottle 16 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: of wine. They're found in Jesus. Through scripture, coaching and neuroscience, 17 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: I'll help you make sense of your habits, your nervous system, 18 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 2: and what you're really craving so that freedom feels not 19 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: only possible, but sustainable. 20 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: You don't have to do this alone, Babe. 21 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: Let's dive in today's conversation is a really special one. 22 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: I'm joined by my friend Carla Atkins, author of She 23 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 2: Came Tumbling Down and one of the founders of the 24 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: Zero Proof Life. Carla is one of the brightest lights 25 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: in the alcohol free space, and her story is equal 26 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: part scripping, scary, and deeply hope filled. We talk about 27 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: the moment everything changed for her that terrifying day Carla 28 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: looked in the mirror and noticed that her eyes were 29 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: turning yellow, and what happened next the liver failure diagnosis. 30 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: Carla shares what it was like to walk through the 31 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: darkest season of her life and still find hope, how 32 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 2: her faith carried her when she couldn't carry herself, and 33 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 2: why freedom isn't just about removing alcohol, It's about getting 34 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: your life back. If you've ever felt the Holy Spirit 35 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: nudging you but found yourself thinking I'll deal with it later, babe, 36 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: this episode is for you. Let's dive in. 37 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: Hello, how are you? 38 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: It is literally so good to see your face. It's 39 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 3: same same I was. 40 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: Actually I was telling my husband this morning that you 41 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: and I were meeting, and I told them how excited 42 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: I just was so excited to see you and talk 43 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: to you. 44 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 3: We don't get to talk enough. So yeah, I'm just 45 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: honored to be here. And I love our conversations. 46 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: I love our conversations. And you are just one of 47 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: the brightest lights in the alcohol free space and just 48 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 2: leading women to freedom. And I just love watching everything 49 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: that you've done. And you have this incredible book and 50 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: this incredible story. I'll never forget it, and I wrote 51 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: about it in my book. I wrote about it in 52 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: my book when you looked in the rearview mirror was 53 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: it the rear view ear and you saw that your 54 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: eyes were yellow and you were like, oh. 55 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: No, yes, yes, And it was like you hear movies 56 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: or you're written about in books like and You're her 57 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: blood ran cold like that kind of moment. That was 58 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: that moment for me. And I'll never forget it, just 59 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: the sheer panic that went through me. 60 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: And I think it just shows Christy. 61 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: The avoidance the knowledge. 62 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: But then they're also lack of knowledge. 63 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: You know. We get these tidbits of information and sometimes 64 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: I say I have enough, you know, medical knowledge, just 65 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: to make it very dangerous because obviously I knew enough 66 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: to look at my eyes, you know, I knew enough 67 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: to go wait, a minute. 68 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: I'm not feeling good. I know I'm drinking too much. 69 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: Because what drove me to look at my eyes that 70 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: day and it's like I was waiting for it to 71 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: be there, and then when it was, it was honestly 72 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: just shocking and paralyzing. 73 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 3: Honestly, remind me how old you were. You were so young, too, so. 74 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: Young, I believe at that point I was thirty six. 75 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: Shere's Louise baby by yeah, a baby baby. 76 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: And I think that's also why I keep sharing my story. 77 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: And I love that you would, you're curious and you 78 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: want to talk to me about it, because one of 79 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: the biggest for me to really open up and share 80 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: with the world my story is really interesting. 81 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: You know. 82 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: I got into coaching and it's like I was still 83 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: in my safe zone, not really talking about all of 84 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: my story, really opening up those closets of the places 85 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: that we want to keep closed, and honestly, because that's 86 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: with shame. It was it was just hearing about what 87 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: was happening with women and this was you know, post pandemic, 88 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: during the pandemic and then right afterwards, and hearing how 89 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: sick people were getting, but especially young women, and they 90 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: were you know, drastic jumps and people getting sick, and 91 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: it was young women, and I was like, I just 92 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: can't be silent anymore. I'd need to share this because 93 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want people to be me. I 94 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: don't want people to be in that situation because there's 95 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: so much at play. And when you were showing signs 96 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: and showing that you know, obviously your livers struggling enough 97 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: that you know your eyes are turning yellow. It's really 98 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: like this game of Russian roulette. And that's what I 99 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: like to describe to people, and it's this really dangerous 100 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: game we're playing. Like you know, our body is so 101 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: generous and so nice to us, and it keeps us 102 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: healthy and works so hard to keep us that way. 103 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, then sometimes we. 104 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: Can push too far and then there's a point of 105 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: no return, and so it's important that people know that. 106 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: You know, I think there's a lot of knowledge out 107 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: there about how the liver regenerates and how you know, 108 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: don't worry, it'll get healthy again, And that is true. 109 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: It's amazing what our liver does for our body. There 110 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: is a point, you know, again we're doing damage, and 111 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: then we can do irreversible damage and also we can 112 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: also push to the point that you cannot come back 113 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: from it. 114 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you get this question all the time. 115 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 2: So how much were you drinking? 116 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 3: You know, I do always wants to. 117 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 2: Know about how many glasses Carla Furnit not like, no, 118 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: how can I sweep under that? 119 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: Yes, and that is it is a completely normal question. 120 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 3: It is it is a question that I would have 121 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 3: been asking. 122 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: And so I whenever I'm asked that question, I totally 123 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: know where it's coming from. And I actually talk about 124 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: that in the book because it's like I. 125 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 3: Wish I could tell you a number. I know I 126 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: was drinking entirely too much. 127 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: But here's here's the important side of it, and why 128 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: I hesitate to get into exact numbers. Number one, I 129 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: don't know that I know the exact number because I 130 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: was so it was like I was playing hide and 131 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: go seek for myself. I didn't want to know how 132 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: much I was drinking. Yeah, and there was a it's 133 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: a very real thing where you obviously you know, and 134 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: so it's like you don't look, and you don't count, 135 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: you don't do any of those things. Also, I hesitate 136 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: to tell certain things only because it can almost be dangerous, 137 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: especially like, for example, I'm coaching in grew some people 138 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: ask me and if I start to get real specific 139 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: about what my you know, day to day, was like, 140 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: I know what's happening in their brains. They're playing the 141 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: comparison game, because that's what I would have been doing, 142 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: like and I would have been checking my drinking against 143 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: someone else. I did that with other people. I'll never 144 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: forget hearing about people that I knew and that actually 145 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: didn't make it from drinking too much and they went 146 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: into liver failure just like I did, and they didn't 147 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: live to be able to tell their story. And I 148 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: remember some of my first questions were how much were 149 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 1: they drinking? 150 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: Like what did that look like? 151 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 1: And I was so curious, And again, which is so wild, 152 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: is it would have been happening to me six months later, 153 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: you know. 154 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 3: But that why I was asking was truly like okay. 155 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: And I remember hearing and almost being relieved because my 156 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: drinking didn't look like this other person. And so my 157 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: immediate internal gauge was like, okay, I'm good. Then you 158 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: know I'm good, and so I can continue what I'm 159 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: doing because I was not like that, and what I learned, 160 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: and you know I I shared in the book and 161 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: some of the most powerful parts of the book are 162 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: the forward and the afterward, and they're written both by 163 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: these amazing female physicians that I know were placed in 164 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: my life for a reason, and I want because it's. 165 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 3: The book ends. 166 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: The first the forward is from the doctor that originally 167 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: treated me right when I first presented to the hospital, 168 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: and the afterward is the amazing physician that took care 169 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: of me afterwards, and we all still have really great 170 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: relationships to this day. But just taking that time to 171 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: really educate me, you know, and the fact that what 172 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: happened to me was like the perfect storm in the 173 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: worst way. And what do I mean by that is 174 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: I want people to think about how they're treating their 175 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: bodies when they're drinking too much. Are we stressed? Are 176 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: we getting enough sleep? How are we you know, fueling 177 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: our body with good nutrition. All of a sudden, it's 178 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: not just the drinking, it's the ripple effect of that 179 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: drinking too much and we're not taking care of ourselves. 180 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: And so there's not an exact, you know, formula to 181 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: give people that says like, okay, if you do this, 182 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: this and that then it's going to equal this. For me, 183 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: it was like intense stress. It was I remember just 184 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: that I feel like I could not get my head 185 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: above water and so and then I wasn't eating well. 186 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 3: I was barely sleeping. 187 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: Again at the beginning of that was that big domino 188 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: the alcohol, you know, kind of ripple effect. But all 189 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: of that equals your body not being able to take 190 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: care of you the way that it's it's trying so desperately. 191 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: So my answer to that is entirely too much. 192 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 3: I'm so glad that you I'm so glad you answered 193 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 3: it that way I do it. And again, I know 194 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 3: it frustrates some people, but I. 195 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: Also don't want to be a part of someone sitting 196 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: there listening going, oh, well, I didn't drink like that. 197 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: My drinking was not pretty. I mean it was you know. 198 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: I carried a lot of shame around that for a 199 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: long time. But I remember my physician also telling me 200 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: it was very hard for her because she would have 201 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: people present, you know, with hepatitis, you know, inflammation of 202 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: the liver that can make you really really sick, and 203 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: they truly were, you know, having those two to three 204 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: glasses of wine, and I that person's body just couldn't 205 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: handle it. And we're all made unique and different, and 206 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: so what my body, what shut my body down, may 207 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: not be what will shut your body down. And I 208 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: think it's a really good lesson of how dangerous comparison 209 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: games can be in all aspects of life. You know, 210 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: if we do it, we do it on the day 211 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: to day when we're watching people and thinking, you know, oh, 212 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: but they can do this, well, we don't. We really 213 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: don't know the whole story. 214 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 2: It reminds me of like that conversation of like is 215 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: drinking a sin? Right? It's like you're asking the wrong questions, right, 216 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: it's right if if you're thinking that you might have 217 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 2: a problem with your health, because if your drinking, then 218 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: the question it gets to be how can you support 219 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: yourself in a better way? Not how close can I 220 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: get to the line of X, whether it's a sin 221 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: or whether it's of your body shutting down? 222 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and listen. 223 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: I know some of the people that have the hardest 224 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: time with stopping drinking are the people because the world 225 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: has set us up with the wrong question. Yes, like yeah, 226 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: are you an alcoholic? 227 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 3: Are you? You know? Have you? 228 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: It's this black and white thing when they truly, to 229 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: the world's view, are a quote unquote normal drinker. But 230 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: for them it makes them physically feel bad. It's, you know, 231 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: their body again isn't processing it well or they might 232 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: not be making the best descis visions, you know, for 233 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: themselves or their family when they do drink. And so 234 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: they're battling against but the world tells me I'm fine, 235 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: but are you, like how are you personally? And you know, 236 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: and really looking inward like that, it's just so important 237 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: not to. 238 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: Mention that everywhere you look that you can find someone 239 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: around you to justify your level of drinking. Right Like 240 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: I didn't think I had a quote unquote problem because 241 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: everyone around me was drinking as much as I was drinking. 242 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely exactly. And those people make you feel a 243 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: lot better. And how I'm awful to do will they 244 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: do it? 245 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 3: You know? 246 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: And I think that's also a struggle for families that 247 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: are you know, confronting loved ones. That biggest pushback is 248 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: we'll look at you, like, look at what you're doing, 249 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: And so it's just really tricky. And I think it's 250 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: where that's one of the biggest things that I've learned 251 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: since getting healthy and stopping drinking. Was that sense of 252 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: agency and looking in the mirror and going, Okay, what 253 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: was I responsible for? 254 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 3: And that's when I did some of the most. 255 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: Powerful work and really let God go to work on 256 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: me in my heart and what I had done instead 257 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: of blaming other people, because I did for a long time, 258 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: especially after I got sick. It was just when I 259 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: tell you, like, I was so shamefilled ugh it And 260 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: again it lasted a long time, and I'm so so 261 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: grateful to have peeled back those layers and truly let 262 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: God work on that. 263 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 3: And only I'm telling you, only God can. 264 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: Take you from the place that I was of complete desperation. 265 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: No one is allowed to hear the story. No one 266 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: will ever hear this, you know, especially the word crhosis. 267 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 3: I was hanging on so tight to that to. 268 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: You know, work and soften and grow and flip it 269 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: into a place of wait a minute, you know, wait 270 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: a minute. You're fighting so hard to share, like when 271 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: it's really so beautiful in a miracle that your body 272 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: fought so hard to save you. And that's truly what 273 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: it looked like. And that was again the work I did. 274 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: And you know I talk about you know Laura Wilson, 275 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: she was my coach at the time, just walking me 276 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: through that, but also knowing just that God was able 277 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: to take me there so I could share it with 278 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: other people and I could get on a podcast like 279 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: this and talk about that openly with people. 280 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: And I'm so glad that you have, Babe, and that 281 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: you've taken that brave step, because it has changed so 282 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: many women's lives. Women like that are younger and that 283 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 2: never in a million years thought that this could happen 284 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: to them. But because you're so brave and share your story, 285 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: they see themselves in you, which is what happens when 286 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: we're open and vulnerable, right, And so I'm just so glad. 287 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: We'll be back right after a quick word from our sponsors. Hey, Babe, 288 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: I just wanted to pause us for one second to 289 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: remind you that this September we are ga They're in Holland, 290 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: Michigan for the Aligned Conference. This is going to be 291 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 2: the first ever Christian women's alcohol free conference, and I 292 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: am so excited to be partnering with my friend Sherry 293 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: Hoppin of Sala House Recovery. If you've ever wished there 294 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: was a place where you could talk openly about freedom 295 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: from alcohol, growing closer to Jesus, and building genuine friendships 296 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: with women who understand the journey, then this is your opportunity. 297 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: We're bringing together incredible speakers, meaningful conversations, worship, prayer, practical tools, 298 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: and plenty of opportunities to connect with women who are 299 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: pursuing freedom and living aligned with God's best for their lives. 300 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: One of the things I'm most excited about is that 301 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: so many women from the Love Life SOB community are 302 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: already coming. If you've ever wanted to meet some of 303 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: those amazing women in real life and get an in 304 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: person hug and spend a few days just hanging out 305 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: with women who are alcohol free or sober curious and 306 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: love Jesus, then this is your chance. It doesn't matter 307 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: how long you've been free from alcohol, if you are 308 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: just at the beginning of this journey or years in, 309 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: we don't mind. We just want to get in a 310 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: room with you, and we are so so excited. All 311 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 2: of the details and the ticket information is all at 312 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 2: the link in the show notes. I am so so 313 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: excited to get to hug some of you beautiful women 314 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: in person this September Okay, let's get back to today's episode. 315 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: The power of sharing our stories, right, because that and 316 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: doctor Jocelyn that wrote the four of my book. 317 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 3: It all started with her coming in and sitting at 318 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 3: my bedside. 319 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: And I'll never forget because it was my second time 320 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: I had started drinking again, and so it was that 321 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: I always say, I described it. You could cut the 322 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: shame with the knife in the room. I didn't want 323 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: to see anything. I had all the lights turned off. 324 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: I was but that can I just pause you there, 325 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: because that is one of the most I think impactful 326 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: parts of your story is that that's what alcohol does. 327 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 3: Right. 328 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: Yes, you were diagnosed with cirrhosis and you went back 329 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 2: like yes, not because of you, but because that is 330 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: how insidious alcohol is. 331 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: Yes, that and if we don't go there, Christy. 332 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: And that's why again I talk about the Ford in 333 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: the book so much, because she says, as a physician, 334 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, here we are just telling people and sending 335 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: them back out into the world and just saying don't drink. 336 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 3: If it was that easy, oh my gosh. 337 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: And it's like we started to get, you know, beliefs 338 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: around alcohol and what it does way before we ever 339 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: started drinking, you know, And so we have these and 340 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: it's deep ties and if we do not. 341 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 3: Look at them. 342 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: And I little did I know at the time, you know, 343 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: I was I was destined to go back. You cannot 344 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: wipe knuckle your way through, especially that deep of tie 345 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: to drinking. And then just say, okay, now I've got 346 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: to stop. And you know, then this shane pops up 347 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 1: and guess what we do when that emotion comes up. 348 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: I drank anxiety. I had given alcohol so many jobs. 349 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: But it started with you know, her sitting down and 350 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: sharing and treating me like a human and like she cared, 351 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: and you know, I just remember, it's just this simple question, 352 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: you know, you don't ever have to you don't you 353 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: don't have to drink again, and her sharing with me 354 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: that you know, she didn't drink, and it was just 355 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, there was just a clique. And I 356 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 1: know God was in that room that day because it 357 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: was this click of having a healthy young face obviously, 358 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: this young beautiful woman sitting next to me, caring and 359 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: sharing a piece of herself, and this click happened, and 360 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 1: this little little bounce of hope that it was, and 361 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: it felt very refreshing, especially in that darkness, and I 362 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: remember walking away feeling I want to do that for 363 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: someone one day, like that's what I want to do 364 00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: for someone. 365 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 3: And it gave me hope. 366 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: And I'm telling you it's like why I, you know, 367 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: wrote my book and why I you know. It was 368 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: very even intentional about the cover because I remember and 369 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: you know this process whatever, oh fay, well, it was 370 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: just and I remember getting really frustrated because I was 371 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: not being listened to. I was like, I don't want 372 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: you know, this dark, heavy, you know, with alcohol in 373 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: the cover. I was like, this book is about hope, 374 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 1: and I want the cover to reflect that. 375 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:28,479 Speaker 3: And it was so funny. 376 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: I was getting business pictures taken and my photographer friend, 377 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: she got this shot of my feet she sent to 378 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: me and she's like, oh my gosh, are you thinking 379 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: what I'm thinking? And I'm like, yeah, like we both 380 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: knew that was the cover and there was just something 381 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: with yellow and can't really see it in the screen, 382 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: but in this if people are watching anything, there's this 383 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: picture of this woman in the back of my pH 384 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: I love that, and so in whenever I'm coaching, whenever 385 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: I'm talking, like this picture is in the background, and 386 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: so many people have actually gotten that picture. 387 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,479 Speaker 3: They're like it just as so filled with hope and 388 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 3: so on. 389 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: The cover is like the flowers falling in the feet 390 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: and it's just again, I wanted it to be fun 391 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: because there was so many doomsday stories and here was that. 392 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: That was the picture of the woman, right, young, successful, 393 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: go get her. She's living life and she's not drinking. 394 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, there's people that do it. 395 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 3: And that was the. 396 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: Beginning of this, you know, quest to go, Okay, what 397 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: am I going to do? And how I know I 398 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 1: want to live? And it's truly that picture of in 399 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: that moment I feel it. It's just like it's you're 400 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: at the end of a crossroad and you can go 401 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: left to right. Going right is going to be hard 402 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: and it's not going to be easy. But going left, 403 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: for me, there was a short end of what was 404 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: going to happen if I went back again, you know, 405 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: and it was hard. I mean, I was facing a 406 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: lot of scrutiny. You can only imagine living in a 407 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: small town, you know, the gossip mill, people talking and 408 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, talking about the thing. I never wanted 409 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: anybody to hear about I never wanted anybody to hear 410 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: that dark secret of mine, of my drinking, and so 411 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: there was a lot to walk through when you're not numbing. Yeah, 412 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: you know, but obviously I did not do that alone. 413 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,959 Speaker 1: And that's where my faith comes into play. And I 414 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: think it's it's so important to talk about is just 415 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: walking hand in hand and knowing I had to feel everything. 416 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 3: You know. 417 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: It didn't mean that it was easy, but I had 418 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: this drive and the beautiful thing that I love to 419 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: share with people. When you do stop drinking, you know, 420 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: your body starts thinking you in the most beautiful ways. 421 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's like if it could talk directly back 422 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: to you. That's the way it's doing it. It's doing 423 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: that through you know, the better night's sleep. It's doing 424 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: it through you know, kind of resetting your nervous system 425 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: in almost like that reset and feeling the sense of calm. 426 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know what that was like, and so leaning 427 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: in into that and understanding, like, wait a minute, my 428 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: body is clearly liking this, clearly responding. And I remember 429 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: that's where I googled where did my anxiety go? 430 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 3: You know, I had this. 431 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: Where I had this idea that Oh, my gosh, what 432 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: am I going to do with my anxiety? Not knowing 433 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 1: what a massive role that alcohol had played, you know, 434 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: and made it so much worse. 435 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 2: Will you tell the listener about that conversation with your dad? 436 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it was the call that we got, and 437 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: it was the first time. And this was again these 438 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: these heart stopping moments. And because I had initially gotten 439 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: sick and the hospital was like, Okay, we're going to 440 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: let you go, but you're you're very sick, so we 441 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: need you to get blood work in like two days time, 442 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: like I had needed to get blood work, so I 443 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: went and got lab work, and I remember sleeping on 444 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: my bed and getting that phone call, and I knew 445 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: it was the hospital just. 446 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 3: From the first few numbers. 447 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: And it was actually doctor Joslin, who wrote the forward 448 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: of the book, and she had gotten my labs. And 449 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: you know, all doctors have, you know, where they get 450 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: critical lab results where someone is and not good shapen, 451 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: so they need to look at them immediately, so it 452 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: always bumps them straight to the top. And mine clearly 453 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: had been bumped straight to the top. And I was 454 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: so sick, I was so tired, and obviously that's what 455 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: is happening too, when your liver stops working. I just 456 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: couldn't quite really wake up for my nap, but obviously 457 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: I did and she said how are you? And I said, 458 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: I'm not good and I think I feel like I'm 459 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: dying and I'm just it was just that and she 460 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: said I think you are too, and that was that boom, 461 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: and it was I give the picture in the book 462 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: that was a niche because I lived my life being 463 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: this independent person that could take care of myself and 464 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: I was going to protect my story, protect everything, and 465 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: I was just going to push through and power through 466 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: and everything would be okay. And that was like I 467 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: had this visual of the plates I was spinning, just 468 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: falling when she said that. And then the next blow 469 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: came when she said, you know where are you at? 470 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: If you can't get here, we're going to send an 471 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: ambulance to you. 472 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 3: And that was the. 473 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: Next woosh of just that you're the dire seriousness of 474 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: what was happening. And it was like, there's no more scrambling, Carla. 475 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: Everything that I'd done for years of try and scramble 476 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: and fix and protect and it was coming to a 477 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: screeching halt. I immediately called, you know, my husband at 478 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: the time, called my parents, and my parents lived right 479 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: down the road, and so they got there first. 480 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 3: And I looked at my dad. 481 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: And I just can't imagine, you know, being a parent now, 482 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: like what this was like? Oh, go for him, And 483 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: I said, Dad, she thinks I'm dying. And he said, 484 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: but I forget the exact wording, but he would. Basically 485 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: he was like, but you can also lit like you 486 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: can live and you can choose life. And there was 487 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: just this powerful moment between father and daughter of wait 488 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: a minute, because he's always instilled this in me too, 489 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: just like you can. You've got it in you. You've 490 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: got so giving me that little fight that I needed, 491 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, not falling into this hole that you are, 492 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: like just the the fear of what have I done? 493 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 3: And and again this is that game. 494 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: This is why I share this with people, because I 495 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: know people that have been in my shoes and that 496 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: have you know, just said, just give me a little 497 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: bit more time, like let me get past this really 498 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: difficult time in my life. Then I'm gonna calm work. 499 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna stop drinking. I just can't give it 500 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: up right now. Those people are no longer here. I 501 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: don't talk about that for like scare tactics. 502 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: You know. 503 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: It's just I want people to know how real and 504 00:25:54,760 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: how dangerous alcohol is and what it's doing to our bodies. 505 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: And when your body is saying I'm having enough, like 506 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: I just can't do it anymore. And so I want 507 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: to look at those people that are, you know, saying, Okay, 508 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: I'm having a few glasses. I know that's normal, you know, 509 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: but I'm having you know, my heart's racing at night, 510 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: or I'm not sleeping or I'm not whatever. I'm like, 511 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Like listen, our body starts telling us 512 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: way early on. It's like people even when they joke 513 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: about hangovers, for example, oh. 514 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: My gosh, do you realize like you're poisoning yourself? 515 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 3: What's poisoning about it? Yeah? 516 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: Right, and that like oh and it made me sick, 517 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: and it's like it's this joke, and it's like you 518 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: need to realize the magnitude of what that substance is 519 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 1: and what your body's doing to try and get it 520 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: out of your system. We need to start paying attention earlier, 521 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: rather than we keep drawing the line in the sand 522 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: and going, well, I'm not one of those. 523 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 3: That's what I did. 524 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: And so instead you're in those moments with your parents 525 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: going they say I'm dying and thank you. I mean, 526 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: my I did not, but there was nothing they could 527 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: do at the time because you're so sick. It's a 528 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: waiting game. And truly it was a waiting game at 529 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: the hospital to see like is my liver going to start, 530 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, slowly working again? Like and so it's watching 531 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: the numbers they were watching to see like is it 532 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: going to kick back? If not, I wouldn't be here 533 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: because there was nothing they could do to save me. 534 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 3: I'm just so glad that you keep telling the story. 535 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: Right, and I'm so thankful, you know, just for that 536 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: that constant healing to get me the place that I 537 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: could share, you know, because like I said, I couldn't 538 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: and I always like to share with people too, like 539 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: I need people to know. I think when people are 540 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: sitting there, you know, wanting to stop drinking, but afraid 541 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: to because you're thinking as you are right now, and 542 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: so right now, your body doesn't handle stress well, and 543 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: it doesn't handle like again, those the conflict or the 544 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: family issues or the financial issues you just feel like 545 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: I cannot handle those things. You're not envisioning yourself how 546 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: you truly are, mind you minus the substance and what 547 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: you're capable of, like you are missing out. I never 548 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: gave myself any credit for what I was actually capable 549 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: of doing, And so the stress doesn't feel the same 550 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: when you're not in constant fight or flight, you know, 551 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: the the family issues or the marriage issues, you know what, 552 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: you can actually start take those little blinders off and 553 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: go really start to see things how they are, and 554 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: then you can actually make a clear decision. I need 555 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: you to know you're not It's not going to feel 556 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: like it is right now. And it's and that's why 557 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: I always tell people like it just keeps getting better, 558 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: and and that's through the healing and the layers, and 559 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: it all starts with that one decision and that big, 560 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: that big one of stopping and then and going from 561 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: there and moving on and and then saying what. 562 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 3: Does God have in store for you? 563 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: And that that just even that wording excites me, Yeah, like, 564 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: what what's in store for me now? Like because you're 565 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: constantly holding yourself back. 566 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just this beautiful invitation, right that we don't 567 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 2: realize that all of this actually is for us, Like 568 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 2: we'll be back right after a quick word from our sponsors. 569 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: And I always ask Scal's, you know, has the Holy 570 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: Spirit like nudged you to put down alcohol, And normally 571 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 2: the response is something like, no, Christy, He's hasn't been 572 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: nudging me. He's basically got me by both shoulders and 573 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 2: he's shaking me right. And I like, well, that's not 574 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 2: because God's like wants you to be boring and have 575 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 2: no fun right or never be able to relax. It's 576 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: because He has more for you on. 577 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: The other side of this, so much more. And I 578 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: think that's why it's important. That's why it's important that 579 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: we share our stories, and that's why we share, you know, 580 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: our lives outside of saying okay, and this is me, 581 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: Like I love of watching your Instagram. I'm traveling, I'm 582 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: doing that, you know, Like there is such a beautiful 583 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: life on the other side. When I was I could 584 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: not imagine it without alcohol. And that's just because it 585 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: was so tangled up. But that unweaving is one of 586 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,479 Speaker 1: the most beautiful and empowering things you can do for 587 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: yourself is see what you're capable of. I'm so glad 588 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: I'm not living in that small world anymore. 589 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 3: You know. 590 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: It's just that visual of that anchor. It was keeping 591 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: me stuck in place and you can only move so far. 592 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: And it was until I got rid of that, I 593 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,479 Speaker 1: was never going to see what I was capable of. 594 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: I was never going to see what was on the 595 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: other side of it. And quite frankly, the simple things. 596 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was like to feel good again, 597 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: like those simple beauties of sleep. I mean, you name it, feeling, 598 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: you know, being able to come on this podcast and 599 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: truly be excited, like not letting my panic attacks take 600 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: over and rule my world. You know. But and I'm 601 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: still grateful. I mean still to this day. I say 602 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: in the morning of prayer like whenever I wake up. 603 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: And I know it sounds cheesy to some, but this 604 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: is just my truth and it's how I stay in gratitude. 605 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: Some people are really good about gratitude journals and stuff 606 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: like that, and I'm not. I think it's just for me. 607 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: It's the simple whisper in the morning. Yeah, And I 608 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: think it's because my mornings were so horrible it just 609 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: dread them. And you know, again. It was that hamster 610 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: will back on it again, ridden with panic, physically feeling 611 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: bad and no sleep. Oh, just think about it and 612 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: waking up. And even if it's annoying because it's super 613 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: early and I know how to get my daughter ready 614 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: for school, it's like that whisper of thank you, thank 615 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: you so much, yeah, because I don't. There's no sickness, 616 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: there's none of that feeling, and I just and I 617 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: feel it all throughout my body and it's just that 618 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: simple exchange of thankfulness because I also never want to 619 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: forget what it was like, and it keeps it very 620 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: real for me. And also it also reminds me in 621 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: the tough times how much I've grown, because you don't 622 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: want to forget. You know, wait a minute, I never 623 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: would have handled a B or C like this if 624 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: I had still been drinking. Man, I'm so thankful. So 625 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: it's a big part of my continuum of care for myself. 626 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 3: I guess I'll say. 627 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 2: I know that numbers were on the rise drastically after 628 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: COVID of gals I'm younger because there was a lot 629 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 2: of a lot of information coming out and studies saying 630 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 2: that gals in their thirties and forties for the first time. 631 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 3: The numbers were. 632 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 2: Spiking because of COVID. But what do you want women 633 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: to know about liver disease like before any before like 634 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 2: defcon level five where your eyes are turning yellow? 635 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 3: What do you want them to know? Right? 636 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: And I think again, and the reason why I do 637 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: share that such a good question. And I'm so glad 638 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: you asked because just recently I got my hands smacked 639 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: because I had a doctor's appointment and I have to 640 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: go see, you know, my liver specialist every year. And 641 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: the reason I got my hand smacked was because you know, 642 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: there's things that I have to do, like to make 643 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: sure that I'm okay, you know, I have to get 644 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, ultrasounds I'm a liver to see, you know, 645 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: watch my liver. Is it still healthy? Is that is 646 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: my soorrhosis? Is it progressing? Or is it stable? 647 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 3: Like? 648 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: What is? 649 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 3: Again? 650 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,719 Speaker 1: And they look at size and all this fancy terms 651 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: that I don't really know all of it. But again, 652 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: so ultrasounds, MRIs. I have to then get endoscopies because 653 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, I had the very gosh not every year, okay, endoscopy, No, 654 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: the endoscopy but there was a reason for that because 655 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: when I first after I got so sick, I had 656 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: esophageal verses. And I think anybody hearing that, I think 657 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: any nurses listening to that go like immediately go ooh, 658 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: because they are so dangerous. It's how a lot of 659 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: people end up passing because of rupture of these variites. 660 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: And just a very simple thing. It's because the liver 661 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: gets enlarged and it just builds this pressure you know 662 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: again on our system that your body's trying, and so 663 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: there's a build up. So I had these esophageal varses 664 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: and so they had to look at the and thank goodness, 665 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: you know again, thank god, they could not even detect 666 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: them anymore. So that was huge, and so it's what 667 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: they've got to look and see. But it was my reminder, 668 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: and she said to me, just because you're healthy, you know, 669 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: doesn't mean your example. We need to keep you healthy 670 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: because I'm obviously at obvious higher risk for liver cancer 671 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 1: now and and those thinking. You know, as a mom, 672 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: you know that with a ten year old little girl, 673 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: if I could look back on myself, you know, as 674 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: much as I will tell you, I would never change 675 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm I mean, and I can't change you know, my story. 676 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 1: I'd walk through it again to get where I'm at today. 677 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: But if I could speak to people, you know, in 678 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: those initial stages of saying, you know, like ooh, I 679 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 1: don't like this, or I'm not feeling good, or God 680 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: like God is shaking me, like okay, please make some changes. 681 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 3: I want. 682 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: I want you to learn from my story and just 683 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: understand that as much as I look healthy, and that's 684 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: why I think it's also important that I share. You 685 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: would not know from looking at me that I have 686 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: liver disease, there's also very real truth of what my 687 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: life is like because of that, and it's something that 688 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: even I need to be careful. I don't, you know, 689 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: want to bury my head in the sand, and I 690 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 1: always have to be proactive. And it's the reminder of 691 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: you know, what happened, and it's the reminder that you 692 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: are still sick, you are still scarred, And so I 693 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 1: want to take that and turn that into something good 694 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: and one just using it to continue to be healthy 695 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: and make the best choices that I can for myself, 696 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: but two just also keep sharing so people know and 697 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: anyone knows, but I love speaking obviously to women because 698 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: it is it's a major issue and it's not this 699 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: old man disease anymore, and it's important that we know 700 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,760 Speaker 1: that and we talk about it same. 701 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 3: You're the best. 702 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 2: Can you tell everyone where they can find you? And 703 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 2: I will link everything in the show notes and you're 704 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 2: gonna have to come and hang out in the community 705 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 2: and like maybe do a masterclass or something. 706 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 3: And because everybody loves you any time. 707 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: You know, I love your career at any I'm serious, anytime, 708 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: and you can find me at the zeroproof Life. There's 709 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: just the zeroproof life dot com. You can find my 710 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: book on Amazon and she came tumbling down. But yeah, 711 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: and any time, and we'd love to have you too, 712 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: so we'll have to do that back and forth. 713 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 3: But it's it's always such a joy. 714 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: And I'm telling you if there's any other topic, you know, 715 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: I'll hop right back on. I love talking with you 716 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: on your podcast. 717 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 3: I mean, don't tap me with a good time. 718 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 2: Yes, Oh, thank you Carla. All right, gals, we will 719 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 2: see you next week. Thanks for listening, Bankes, thank you 720 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 2: for spending this time with me on Love Life Sober. 721 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 2: If today's conversation stirred something in your heart. Don't rush 722 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 2: past it, take it to prayer. If you're feeling ready 723 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 2: for deeper connection and support, I'd love to invite you 724 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 2: into the love Life Sober community, a grace filled, shame 725 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 2: free space where real connection grows and lasting change takes root. 726 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 2: You can find the link to join us in the 727 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 2: show notes. Love Life Sober is part of the Life 728 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,439 Speaker 2: Audio podcast Network, where faith centered podcasts help you grow 729 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 2: deeper in your walk with Christ. You can find more 730 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,439 Speaker 2: faith centered podcasts at lifeaudio dot com. Until next time, 731 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 2: be gentle with yourself, stay curious, and trust God's promises. 732 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 2: Freedom waiting for you