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Speaker 4: All right, welcome back our two of The Charlie Kirk Show,
Speaker 4: and I am extraordinarily excited about our next guest, and
Speaker 4: I'll tell you why, because he is a dear friend
Speaker 4: and he has not been back on the show since
Speaker 4: we lost Charlie, and he at various points in this
Speaker 4: show's history, has been a regular. He even joined us
Speaker 4: into trot and play that clip, and that of course
Speaker 4: is Kine from Citizen Free Press. Very excited to have
Speaker 4: you back on the show, my friend. Welcome back to
Speaker 4: the Charlie Kirk Show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, happy to be here. Andrew. I checked, you know
Speaker 3: on the zoom infight for this interview. It was February thirteenth.
Speaker 2: That was the last time you were on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the last time I owned so you
Speaker 3: and I talked obviously February March April. I remember we
Speaker 3: dm back and forth. But I was just as you know,
Speaker 3: I got pissed off about deficits about the right in
Speaker 3: the big Beautiful Bill, and I was having a battle
Speaker 3: with besstt and and russ Vote and you know, and
Speaker 3: so I just was negative. Man. All I would have
Speaker 3: had to say was negative stuff about how there wasn't
Speaker 3: enough there weren't enough spending cuts. So I just I
Speaker 3: ducked out of the the media scene for six months
Speaker 3: or so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that's interesting, and Blake will remember this
Speaker 4: as well. We kind of went through our own journey,
Speaker 4: and Charlie went through his own journey with the Big
Speaker 4: Beautiful Bill, and I think it really turned for him
Speaker 4: when we had Stephen Miller on the show. It was
Speaker 4: an extended conversation like thirty thirty five minutes, and it
Speaker 4: went viral, you know, kind of explaining the nuances of
Speaker 4: the bill, why Steven Miller was in supportive. Obviously, he's
Speaker 4: part of the administration, so you've got to assume that
Speaker 4: he's you know, going to say supporting things. But it
Speaker 4: was actually an incredibly compelling moment, and I remember that
Speaker 4: that clip went viral and really helped galvanize a lot
Speaker 4: of the basis support for that bill. But listen, we
Speaker 4: understand everybody wanted less spending. We all want less spending,
Speaker 4: we do, But go ahead, kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, I was gonna say I understood Besson's
Speaker 3: point the whole time, and I even tried to promote it,
Speaker 3: you know, I was giving them a fair shake. And
Speaker 3: what he was saying was basically this, you know, three hundred,
Speaker 3: I think the spending cut number, you know, for the
Speaker 3: first year was one hundred and fifty six billion. And
Speaker 3: his point was, look, if we cut three hundred billion
Speaker 3: or three fifty or four hundred billion out of discretionary,
Speaker 3: it's actually gonna take a one percent slice out of GDP.
Speaker 3: And that's what he was worried about. He was saying,
Speaker 3: give them four years, they're gonna get this right. He
Speaker 3: was talking all about measuring it as a percentage of GDP.
Speaker 3: So he's like, we're at seven percent. Now give us
Speaker 3: four years, we'll get it into the threes. We'll get
Speaker 3: it down to, you know, to where the annual deficit
Speaker 3: is just three and a half percent of GDP. And
Speaker 3: I understood his point, and I and that's what Stephen
Speaker 3: Miller was talking about. I was just you know, as
Speaker 3: I've told you privately, right, I right. The whole reason
Speaker 3: I'm into politics that I got radicalized back in nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty seven when I was working looking at CNN, was
Speaker 3: was the national debt and that's when it crossed like
Speaker 3: a trillion and a half or two trillion. So I
Speaker 3: just you know, it's I have a stick up my
Speaker 3: butt about the debt and deficit. And that's you know,
Speaker 3: figured somehow I got this large audience after eight years, right,
Speaker 3: and I might as well use it. And so I
Speaker 3: used it to just kind of drive the point that
Speaker 3: Senator Johnson and a few others were really making about cuts.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I'm over it. I was never against the bill,
Speaker 3: and I made that clear on the final day that
Speaker 3: I fully supported it.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Anyway, whatever, And I don't want to.
Speaker 5: Get that's admirable.
Speaker 6: That's admirable because we do we do need people to
Speaker 6: care about that. We can't forget about it because people
Speaker 6: it's the thing everyone in the country loves to just
Speaker 6: push under the rug. But the rug is getting it's
Speaker 6: getting very elevated at this point.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: But we wanted to have you on King because what
Speaker 6: Charlie loved talking to you about so.
Speaker 5: Much was you.
Speaker 6: You have those links out there. You see what people
Speaker 6: are clicking on, what they care about. You are incredibly
Speaker 6: good vibes reader, as it were, And we've had a
Speaker 6: lot of discussion this last fall about what are the
Speaker 6: vibes on the right? Are they feeling optimistic or are
Speaker 6: feeling downbeat? How quickly can one change can change from
Speaker 6: the one to the other. So the floor is yours.
Speaker 3: All that question well, here's what I would say quickly.
Speaker 3: I would say, you know what, the base is fine there,
Speaker 3: maybe scared Again. I'm gonna make the distinction between the
Speaker 3: Twitter base and the base that never goes on Twitter
Speaker 3: unless they're on a link, you know, from CFP people
Speaker 3: who don't have Twitter accounts. So again the scared part,
Speaker 3: why is that? Well, it's always it's always the same
Speaker 3: thing that we get our butts kicked in these special elections,
Speaker 3: in these off your elections, And Charlie and I would
Speaker 3: go through that. He would be like, chill out, Kane,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be okay. We're gonna get turnout, you know,
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four and not if you were. I
Speaker 3: mean you remember we lost what thirteenth straight of those
Speaker 3: special elect or Democrats overperformed in thirteenth straight. So anyway,
Speaker 3: they're scared because of that.
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna play a clip from this was your
Speaker 4: first public appearance with Charlie and I in Detroit at
Speaker 4: our People's Convention last year. Let's go ahead and play
Speaker 4: one peven.
Speaker 1: If we do not expand our base with new voter
Speaker 1: registration and high turnout, we are not going to win.
Speaker 5: And the higher turnout the higher.
Speaker 1: Likelihood that we are going to wines and Democrats know this,
Speaker 1: and so we need to engage in every legal way
Speaker 1: we possibly can to make it too big to rig
Speaker 1: and Kane, if our elections were actually honest and secure,
Speaker 1: what would the result end up being.
Speaker 3: I want people to understand what Turning Point Action Turning
Speaker 3: Point USA has been doing over the last six months
Speaker 3: regarding chasing the vote. All right, what Andrew just talked
Speaker 3: about the low propensity voters.
Speaker 1: We've got to get out and register.
Speaker 2: At all, you know, play by the rules. We don't
Speaker 2: like these rules.
Speaker 3: We don't think that absentee balance are the way to
Speaker 3: go for the future, but as long as they're part
Speaker 3: of the system, we have to use that.
Speaker 4: It's a good memory. Kin, if you can hear me.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if you're if you're with us, or
Speaker 4: if we're reconnecting you, but the actually you and I
Speaker 4: reconnected recently, and I was telling you I've gotten a
Speaker 4: bunch of emails at Freedom at Charliekirk dot com saying
Speaker 4: where's Citizen Free Press, where's Kane?
Speaker 2: Where is he?
Speaker 6: I'm now looking through some of our emails. In fact,
Speaker 6: I think I was even we were inspired to reach
Speaker 6: out to him again because we had we had an
Speaker 6: email from Samantha just a few a week ago. Hey,
Speaker 6: Blake and Andrew, has anyone checked in with Citizen Kane?
Speaker 6: Is he doing okay? And I said, yes, we still
Speaker 6: talk to him. He's doing well, but we actually need
Speaker 6: to get him on the show.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 4: Well, so this is this is a good time to
Speaker 4: bring up the updates in Indiana. I cannot tell you
Speaker 4: how many emails I've gotten or text from reporters about Indiana.
Speaker 4: So we announced this last week. We had a rally
Speaker 4: there at the state House in Indiana. And there is
Speaker 4: a big, big fight that is brewing right now and
Speaker 4: it's going to come to a head probably this week
Speaker 4: where they are going to vote on the new maps
Speaker 4: in Indiana. So are we going to have a completely
Speaker 4: red state, all Republican congressional districts redrawn. There's a certain
Speaker 4: percentage of the senators in that state that have not
Speaker 4: indicated which way they are going to vote. There is
Speaker 4: a strong possibility. And the reason this is pertinent to
Speaker 4: Kin obviously is that's his home state. He's a big
Speaker 4: Indiana Hoosier, and so they are going to reconvene Monday
Speaker 4: afternoon to begin consideration of House Built ten thirty two,
Speaker 4: and the redesign would likely eliminate Indiana's two Democratic held
Speaker 4: congressional districts to create a nine zero Republican map ahead
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: It's a huge, huge deal.
Speaker 4: The House approved the redistricting bill as expected, on a
Speaker 4: vote fifty seven to forty one. Twelve Republicans joined all
Speaker 4: Democrats in opposition, but Senate President pro Tem Roderick Bray
Speaker 4: has warned that there are not enough votes to move
Speaker 4: that idea forward. And so what's happening in the background
Speaker 4: here is that groups like Turning Point Action and others,
Speaker 4: there's a big coalition that is building informaty for me.
Speaker 4: We are going to have congressional level spending going after
Speaker 4: to primary these senators in Indiana to get them more
Speaker 4: in alignment with their base voters.
Speaker 2: The base voters in.
Speaker 4: Indiana want this new map, Cain, I've transitioned since you've
Speaker 4: been gone to this new redistricting map. There is a huge,
Speaker 4: huge push going on right now.
Speaker 6: How do people feel about redistricting Indiana and across the country.
Speaker 3: They're incredibly pissed off. In Indiana that the Indiana Senate
Speaker 3: is blowing all this smoke. As you've probably mentioned, the
Speaker 3: vote was fifty seven to forty one in the House,
Speaker 3: Indiana House, just on Friday, right, and that was with
Speaker 3: ten or eleven Democrats or Republicans defecting and voting with Democrats.
Speaker 3: There's going to be hell to pay if the Indiana
Speaker 3: Senate doesn't approve this thing. In that political article, they
Speaker 3: say that Mike Johnson's been making phone calls and don't
Speaker 3: bet on this outcome yet. We may get our map.
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Speaker 4: of mind. Love that line Caine. There is going to
Speaker 4: be hell to pay. And I talk about this. I
Speaker 4: talked about this last week. Blake will remember that when
Speaker 4: you have a solidly read state that gets kind of out,
Speaker 4: it's it's left out on an island of its own.
Speaker 4: We're not focusing on it during a presidential year because
Speaker 4: it's not a swing state. What happens is these incumbent
Speaker 4: political parties and machines are able to keep existing. They
Speaker 4: kind of just hide in the shadows, and you get
Speaker 4: this misalignment between the base voters that are consuming content
Speaker 4: at a citizen free press that are consuming content on
Speaker 4: the show, they get misaligned with the base, voters and
Speaker 4: the political class. And that's what you're having in Indiana
Speaker 4: where you have these weak, squishy senators that are standing
Speaker 4: in the way of what the base wants and there
Speaker 4: will be held to pay.
Speaker 2: Kaine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you had and as an Indiana resident, you
Speaker 3: had no idea this is going on, right, there's never
Speaker 3: a test, there's how do you know that these people
Speaker 3: are this way, that they're this squishy, that they're going
Speaker 3: to react this way to a simple redistricting. So it
Speaker 3: caught you know it. I think it's surprised the voters.
Speaker 3: And look, I'm sure you mentioned it. You know, Indiana
Speaker 3: is a big pro Trump state. It's we've been plus
Speaker 3: twenty or so for the last two elections. I mean
Speaker 3: we sent we sent Evan by packing again, you know
Speaker 3: when he thought he could waltz back in for a
Speaker 3: Senate seat. So anyway, this is a strong Trump state
Speaker 3: and it's it's shocking that the you know that so
Speaker 3: many of the state senators are this out of touch. Again,
Speaker 3: as I sort of said before we went to break,
Speaker 3: you know, calls have been made, there's been pressure that
Speaker 3: has been applied this weekend. So you know, I'm watching
Speaker 3: it by the hour on local TV. So we're gonna
Speaker 3: see how the Senate, how this sort of plays out.
Speaker 3: I think we have a chance, you know, to eliminate
Speaker 3: and last thing I'll say before throwing it back. One
Speaker 3: of the two Democrat seats is held by Andre Carson.
Speaker 3: He's done nothing in his life except serve under his mom.
Speaker 3: His mom, I forget her name, but she was a
Speaker 3: congresswoman from Indianapolis for fifty years. She died like in
Speaker 3: her eighties or nineties in the last I don't know,
Speaker 3: let's say ten fifteen years ago. And our son has
Speaker 3: just swooped into the into that seat, so be wonderful
Speaker 3: to get him out of Congress.
Speaker 4: I gotta ask you can what about this this Indiana
Speaker 4: state Senator Michael Bohachek that says he will oppose redistricting
Speaker 4: because Trump said the R word.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that guy got pissed off, right, they got Trump
Speaker 3: said retard in a true social post. And this guy
Speaker 3: got offended because he has a son, I believe, who
Speaker 3: has autism or some learning disability. And I understand that
Speaker 3: on a personal level, but that's not what your job is.
Speaker 3: His job isn't to sort of protect his family. His
Speaker 3: job is to do the right thing for the state
Speaker 3: of Indiana. And so you know, to me, that's completely ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Well, he's gonna be on our list here. And you
Speaker 4: know he by the way, he recently pleaded guilty, apparently
Speaker 4: to driving while intoxicated. He was three times Indiana's legal limit,
Speaker 4: So there's some inconsistencies in his background. Cane, give us
Speaker 4: an update on your traffic. How's things going at Citizen
Speaker 4: Free Press.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, here's an interesting peek into how media works.
Speaker 3: When your side wins, traffic goes down. When your side loses,
Speaker 3: traffic goes up. So when Biden won twenty twenty the
Speaker 3: last four years, people are freaked out. They're checking noos.
Speaker 3: They're checking my site eight times a day. Now I
Speaker 3: get the same number of people every day, but they
Speaker 3: check about five times. But that, in all honesty, part
Speaker 3: of that is probably due to my slacking, as you know,
Speaker 3: because you read the side every day the last six months.
Speaker 3: You know, for the first time in nine years, I
Speaker 3: decided not to work sixteen eighteen hours a day and
Speaker 3: I work twelve to fourteen so there's fewer up There
Speaker 3: have been fewer updates, but Traffick's still find I'm doing
Speaker 3: twelve million pages a day. It's about six and a
Speaker 3: half million people per month come on their own to
Speaker 3: the homepage. So that's two percent of the populatation.
Speaker 4: Well done, massive powerhouse at System Free Press, Caine. It
Speaker 4: feels like we're getting like the old vibes back. I'm
Speaker 4: not kidding. I was telling the team when I walked
Speaker 4: into the studio today, I was like, man, I feel
Speaker 4: the vibe shift. There's like a I don't know what
Speaker 4: it is. Maybe it's just in my head, but having
Speaker 4: you back on feels really, really good. I hope you
Speaker 4: will not be a stranger Kane, and that you will
Speaker 4: come back more often because we need to keep the
Speaker 4: base focused, and that's what you and Charlie did. What's
Speaker 4: with you and me and Charlie and Blake keep the
Speaker 4: base focus on those on the main things like Hey, redistricting,
Speaker 4: that's a huge fight that's happening this week. You got
Speaker 4: to contact your senators. By the way, if you want
Speaker 4: to get involved. Tpaction dot Com Forward slash Act Indiana,
Speaker 4: we might I think we have that ur from last week.
Speaker 4: You guys can find out we should put it up
Speaker 4: on the lower banner. You can send letters to everybody
Speaker 4: Act Indiana tpaction dot com Ford slash act Indiana. We
Speaker 4: gotta put the pressure on these guys. But Ken, I
Speaker 4: have to bring this topic up. It's Charlie loved college football,
Speaker 4: so we keep talking about it because we are in
Speaker 4: the playoff bracket period and I have to I can't
Speaker 4: believe that we're sitting in a situation where Indiana is
Speaker 4: the number one team.
Speaker 2: Where did this come from?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 3: I have no idea, and you knew this would be
Speaker 3: a topic I could talk about. I've been going to
Speaker 3: games since I was six years old. The football stadium
Speaker 3: is a mile from my house that I grew up in,
Speaker 3: and I rolled around on those stupid hills and rolled
Speaker 3: around in that stadium. So for fifty some years I've
Speaker 3: been a fan. And in what fifteen coaches all average,
Speaker 3: all fail. You get one guy. One guy brings in
Speaker 3: his this philosophy that I've never heard before. Every play
Speaker 3: has a life of its own, you know, independent of
Speaker 3: the play before he brings it in, and they go
Speaker 3: what We went eleven and zero last year until we
Speaker 3: lost to Ohio State. And then, you know, anyway, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: I did not expect to win the game. In Indy.
Speaker 3: The Town's on fire were ranked number one for the
Speaker 3: first time in history. You know, I don't. I can't
Speaker 3: even believe it's happening. I still, you know, I had to.
Speaker 3: We lost thirty straight years to Ohio State, as you know,
Speaker 3: and I want people to know. You know, when Andrew
Speaker 3: talks about football, he was an All States safety in Nevada.
Speaker 2: In high school.
Speaker 3: He could have played college safety for a bunch of schools,
Speaker 3: so he knows football better than I do. But this
Speaker 3: is insane. And it was insane that Indiana went to
Speaker 3: Oregon and won. And I thought of our dear brother
Speaker 3: Charlie then, and you know how much he loved University
Speaker 3: of Oregon football. And it's just it's also bittersweet, but
Speaker 3: it's exciting. And and what the heck? Where you know
Speaker 3: we're ranked number one? How about that?
Speaker 4: How about that you beat the Ohio State buck guys
Speaker 4: in danny On, our team was in tears, but they're
Speaker 4: still right number two. You might get a rematch here, Hey, Blake,
Speaker 4: you're the Catholic here, notre Dame was left out, which
Speaker 4: is a big scandal across college football. I'm sorry, do
Speaker 4: you care?
Speaker 5: I am angry.
Speaker 6: I'm angry that Notre Dame is throwing a temper tantrum.
Speaker 6: And so one they turned down the Catholics Versus Mormon ball,
Speaker 6: but they also turned down specifically it is the pop
Speaker 6: Tart Bowl, in which they literally sacrifice the pop tart,
Speaker 6: They lower the mascot into the giant toaster oven, and
Speaker 6: then they consume the mascot. Yes, and I think that's
Speaker 6: probably the best modern tr we have in college football.
Speaker 6: And they're they're pooping on it. I think they're being
Speaker 6: kind of babies, to be honest.
Speaker 2: They're in a tantrum cane.
Speaker 3: Yes, they are from from the state. First off, Blake
Speaker 3: is one hundred percent correct about the pop tart thing.
Speaker 3: It's this hilarious meme thing they do at this ball.
Speaker 3: I've seen it the last few years. But yeah, they're
Speaker 3: throwing a fit.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 3: They had the ESPN reporter on scene yesterday and she
Speaker 3: said people were walking the players were walking out with
Speaker 3: their heads down. They feel like that. They called it
Speaker 3: a forest.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: The whole deal, for people who don't know, is suddenly
Speaker 3: Miami jumped BYU in the rankings, so they were comparing
Speaker 3: Miami dead on with Notre Dame, and they decided in
Speaker 3: that comparison that Miami gets the bid because Miami beat
Speaker 3: them in the first or second game of the season,
Speaker 3: head to head. So and that had pissed off Notre
Speaker 3: Dame fans because in the preceding, you know, college football
Speaker 3: puts out the committee puts out rankings once a week
Speaker 3: separate from AP and the coaches poll, and Notre Dame
Speaker 3: had been ranked ahead of Miami. So they fell in
Speaker 3: what they call a false sense of security that they
Speaker 3: were going to get the bid. So, yeah, there's the
Speaker 3: pop tark. Great work by your producers. Well yeah, Notre
Speaker 3: Dame is like they're taking their ball and going home.
Speaker 3: They're saying, if we don't get into the.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well we're looping around.
Speaker 6: I remember when it was only you know, they only
Speaker 6: had the national title game and there was no playoff,
Speaker 6: and people would complain all unfair things caused people to leap,
Speaker 6: and we can fix this if we have a four
Speaker 6: team playoff, and then teams didn't they'd complain about how
Speaker 6: unfair they didn't get in the final four and now
Speaker 6: they're like, we made twelve teams, every remotely plausible national
Speaker 6: champion will get in, and they're still throwing a huge
Speaker 6: temper chantrum. And I would say, notre dame, if you
Speaker 6: want to not throw a temper tantrum about how it's
Speaker 6: unfair to overtake you win all your games or join
Speaker 6: a conference that you can win and get another win
Speaker 6: in the final week of the season.
Speaker 4: All right, we have to go because we're running out
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Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 4: Caine, it is so good to have you back, my friend.
Speaker 4: It's a blast in the past and really a good vibe,
Speaker 4: good vibe shift come back soon.
Speaker 3: Likewise, good good send both of you, and I'm maybe
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Speaker 4: I want to play actually a clip if you guys
Speaker 4: can find it Trump was talking about TikTok and Charlie
Speaker 4: helping with the youth vote. So if you can find
Speaker 4: me that clip really quick, I want to play it
Speaker 4: because it's just it's just really sweet. So anyways, we'll
Speaker 4: get to that clip in just a second. In the meantime,
Speaker 4: I want to bring in Will Chamberlain. He is the
Speaker 4: senior counsel for the Article three projects that he works
Speaker 4: with our good friend Mike Davis does a lot of
Speaker 4: other things.
Speaker 2: Will. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirkshow. It's good to
Speaker 2: have you here.
Speaker 7: It's good to be with you. Longtime no see, you know,
Speaker 7: haven't been on since before Ovis. Charlie's passing, so I
Speaker 7: you know, hope you know, miss you guys, and obviously
Speaker 7: wishing you very very well.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 8: Will.
Speaker 4: You've been fantastic. You've been so supportive and we really
Speaker 4: appreciate it genuinely.
Speaker 2: You are a legal mind.
Speaker 4: You're working with, like we said, Mike Davis, who's a
Speaker 4: frequent guest on this show. And there's really I think
Speaker 4: two big stories on the legal front. Maybe you would
Speaker 4: argue there's more, and so we can get to those
Speaker 4: as well if we have time. But the first one,
Speaker 4: and we've already got to the birthright citizenship in our one.
Speaker 4: I want to revisit that with you. But the other
Speaker 4: big one that kind of was making waves this weekend
Speaker 4: is what's happening in Europe, of course, with the DSA,
Speaker 4: the Digital Services Act, which was put in place in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, and it affects I would believe censorship.
Speaker 4: X was one of the if not the only, major
Speaker 4: social media platform that has defied DSA and they got
Speaker 4: a big fine of one hundred and forty million dollars
Speaker 4: on hundred twenty million euros over the weekend that was announced.
Speaker 4: Elon Musk is raging about it, calling it BS but
Speaker 4: you know, not using the acronym. What is going on
Speaker 4: here will and what are the implications for us here
Speaker 4: in the United States.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so the EU Commission has fined X for one
Speaker 7: hundred and forty million dollars. They claim that the giving
Speaker 7: out the verified check to anybody who pays eight dollars
Speaker 7: a month for it is deceptive. Now that's not true
Speaker 7: because Elon Musk and X have been extremely transparent in
Speaker 7: how they've structured the Verified program. If anything, it was
Speaker 7: the prior administration that was totally deceptive with how they
Speaker 7: were handing out blue checks. It was a complete black box.
Speaker 7: Now Elon's transparent. They're also going after Elon for refusing
Speaker 7: to hand over X's proprietary API data so that European
Speaker 7: researches researchers can go through it for free and figure
Speaker 7: out what's wrong with X. All this is I think
Speaker 7: part of what maybe Americans have sort of are sort
Speaker 7: of waking up to, which is that there's this discordance
Speaker 7: between the European Union and NATO, you know, and when
Speaker 7: European countries put on their NATO hats, they're extraordinarily grateful
Speaker 7: for the Transalatic Alliance being under the American security umbrella.
Speaker 7: When they put on their EU hat, they're part of
Speaker 7: an adversarial trade block that wants to exert leverage over
Speaker 7: the United States and American companies. And I don't think
Speaker 7: we should have to put up with that. And I
Speaker 7: think that the Europeans need to make a choice whether
Speaker 7: they prefer being under the American security umbrella or antagonizing
Speaker 7: American companies, because we're not going to put up with both.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, so how does this impact American companies? Then
Speaker 4: so all of the other social media sites, whether that
Speaker 4: be Meta Google, they have complied. Is that right, I mean,
Speaker 4: and what are the implications for our free speech if
Speaker 4: that is true?
Speaker 7: Well, there's some sites that haven't that are kind of
Speaker 7: only based in the United States, but that hasn't stopped
Speaker 7: European regulators from going after them. For example, I believe
Speaker 7: it's four Chan was sent letters by Offcom, the UK's
Speaker 7: independent regulator, trying to tell them that they needed to
Speaker 7: start censoring speech, but that obviously would be in violation
Speaker 7: of their First Amendment rights under the Constitution. So they're
Speaker 7: telling the UK to go pound sand. But it does
Speaker 7: create this fundamental problem and in balance, where there's no
Speaker 7: cost to these European countries going after the United States,
Speaker 7: and that's I think that and we have to spend
Speaker 7: a lot of money defending ourselves. So I think there's
Speaker 7: a good lawyer by the name of Preston Burne who's
Speaker 7: proposed something called the Granted Act that's already been taken
Speaker 7: up in the state of Wyoming, and we're hearing from
Speaker 7: the Department of State that they're looking at a federal
Speaker 7: Grantite Act. And the idea is that anytime a European
Speaker 7: sovereignty makes a threat against an American company that would
Speaker 7: threaten them if they don't censor their speech, they immediately
Speaker 7: have a private right of action here in the United
Speaker 7: States to sue that sovereignty or that company for three
Speaker 7: times the amount of the threat, which I think is
Speaker 7: the right way to go. I think the European Union
Speaker 7: is vastly overplaying its hand legally here. They are far
Speaker 7: more dependent on access to the United States markets. They're
Speaker 7: far more dependent on the United States security cooperation than
Speaker 7: we are on them, and so we shouldn't and I
Speaker 7: don't think we will put up with their continued threats
Speaker 7: to our free speech.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just want to drive home how despicable this is.
Speaker 6: A lot of people don't realize how Europe works. So,
Speaker 6: for example, this fine came from the European Commission. What's
Speaker 6: the European Commission, Well, the European Union, even though they obvious,
Speaker 6: they obviously will scream all the time about democracy, but
Speaker 6: it's super fake. You can't in America, we can elect
Speaker 6: President Trump through an actual direct election. We are able
Speaker 6: to elect our Congress. In the European Union, they have
Speaker 6: the European Commission. And the way you get on the
Speaker 6: European Commission is governments appoint members of it. They're the
Speaker 6: only ones who can come up with any regulations, any
Speaker 6: proposed laws from the European Union. No one in Europe
Speaker 6: actually gets to vote on these directly. They just have
Speaker 6: the European Parliament and it gets an up or down
Speaker 6: vote on stuff that comes from the European Commission. And
Speaker 6: the other thing that's going on is Europe is an
Speaker 6: economic sharp decline. They've decided it's immoral to make electric city,
Speaker 6: it's immoral to build houses, it's immoral to really develop
Speaker 6: any technology whatsoever, or to favor entrepreneurship. And so you
Speaker 6: can look this up. I encourage everyone to google this phrase.
Speaker 6: Regulatory superpower. This is what Europe is reduced to. Well,
Speaker 6: we have eight hundred million people, so let's become a
Speaker 6: quote regulatory superpower where we just pass laws and we
Speaker 6: boss people around and in this case literally shake them
Speaker 6: down for money.
Speaker 5: And that's what Europe is reduced to because.
Speaker 6: They aren't innovative, they aren't dynamic. They're just rich because
Speaker 6: of things that their ancestors did decades or hundreds of
Speaker 6: years ago. And that's what we're stuck having to deal
Speaker 6: with here. They're dependent on us for security, they're dependent
Speaker 6: on us for innovation, and they think they can boss
Speaker 6: around what we say on the Internet.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, well, so diving into this DSA though,
Speaker 4: what are the what are the dynamics, what are the
Speaker 4: rules of it?
Speaker 2: What are the stipulations?
Speaker 7: Even it seems a lot like Calvin Ball honestly, like
Speaker 7: it's like I think it, you know, probably has some
Speaker 7: generic prohibition on deceptive trade practices, the kind of thing
Speaker 7: we have here, But then it gives the EU this
Speaker 7: incredible scope to interpret what it constitutes accepted trade practice.
Speaker 7: That doesn't look like there is a court involved in
Speaker 7: making this decision or attemps any real due process or litigation.
Speaker 7: It's just the European Commission decided that Twitter's verified process
Speaker 7: was unlawful and that's the end of that. And moreover,
Speaker 7: the way they're doing it, I mean, they're just completely
Speaker 7: flagrantly in violation of American speech sarist prudence here. Sorry,
Speaker 7: Like Elon Musk gets to determine how X verifies its
Speaker 7: users as long as he's not lying about it, the
Speaker 7: EU doesn't get to complain. You know, if the U
Speaker 7: decides they want to just shut X out of its
Speaker 7: market entirely, fine, that's great. Like it'll at least like
Speaker 7: make it clear where we stand here, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 7: you guys are actually antagonistic adversarial nations like China instead
Speaker 7: of you know, supposedly friendly allied nations in a you know,
Speaker 7: fellow inheritor of Western civilization. Okay, very well, we can
Speaker 7: proceed on that basis. You know, the difference is China
Speaker 7: has a real military and you don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's interesting. And this was near and dear
Speaker 4: to Charlie's heart. By the way, this is one of
Speaker 4: the themes of the last year, especially when he visited
Speaker 4: the UK with Blake and some of the other team.
Speaker 4: But it was it was an acknowledgment that the fundamental
Speaker 4: relationship of our transatlantic allies, the inheritors, as you said,
Speaker 4: of Western civilization, are finding themselves increasingly out of alignment
Speaker 4: about basic things like free speech. You've heard jd Vance
Speaker 4: talk about this, Senator Mark, Senator goodness, gracious State Department
Speaker 4: is now Marco Rubio is going after them as well
Speaker 4: and saying there's a misalignment here and how do we
Speaker 4: get that alignment back into a place where we can
Speaker 4: all say, hey, you know, we can actually shake hands
Speaker 4: and we're runing in the same direction here. So Secretary
Speaker 4: of State Rubio has a role to play here is
Speaker 4: what are the levers that we can now push back
Speaker 4: against our friends across the Atlantic.
Speaker 7: Right, So, as I mentioned, the granted actor is a
Speaker 7: good lever. We want to give individuals who are threatened
Speaker 7: by European censors a private right of action here and
Speaker 7: eliminate European sovereign immunity for lawsuits here in the United States.
Speaker 7: So if one of these European actors decides that they
Speaker 7: want to go after an American citizen, we can say,
Speaker 7: you're both that you don't have any sovereign immunity and
Speaker 7: you're personally liable, so we can go after any of
Speaker 7: your assets in the United States. So don't you dare.
Speaker 7: That's so that's step one. That's sort of a protective measure.
Speaker 7: I think step two is actually a broader recognition that
Speaker 7: the European Union and its continued existence is actually anithetical
Speaker 7: to American interests. The idea behind the European Union is
Speaker 7: to create increased bargaining leverage by European countries against the
Speaker 7: United States. And you know, again if they were you know,
Speaker 7: if they want to be adversarial to the United States, fine,
Speaker 7: but then they should have to do without our military protection.
Speaker 7: And so you know, we should see, you know, we
Speaker 7: know that the EU isn't just hostile to America, it's
Speaker 7: also hostile to conserve of countries within the European Union,
Speaker 7: the way they're hostile to Hungary, hostile to poll Land,
Speaker 7: hostile to Italy, making demands of them to accept more migrants.
Speaker 7: I think American policy and diplomatic policy should be to
Speaker 7: foster and lift up those countries that are pushing back
Speaker 7: against the European Union, to help them leave if they
Speaker 7: want to leave, you know, to provide monetary incentives for
Speaker 7: them to leave, and to make side deals of the
Speaker 7: United States we should have, you know, as long until
Speaker 7: the EU gets its act right, it makes clear that
Speaker 7: it wants to be America's friend as opposed to America's
Speaker 7: antagonist economically, then we should go ahead and be antagonistic
Speaker 7: towards them, and maybe bring Hungary and Poland and Italy
Speaker 7: and the Czech Republic into some side alliance and allow
Speaker 7: them to leave the EU.
Speaker 4: Wow, Blake, your reaction to that idea is a creative
Speaker 4: solution here.
Speaker 6: I mean, I am basically happy with anything that restores
Speaker 6: real European countries that reflect real European peoples as opposed
Speaker 6: to this European Union bloated monstrosity, which it really I
Speaker 6: know Charlie hated the word democracy, but I'm going to
Speaker 6: apply it to Europe here. The entire point of the
Speaker 6: European Union is to make glowbalist neoliberalism totally immune from
Speaker 6: actual democratic pressures. It's entirely designed to make it so
Speaker 6: what the globalist agenda is is not able to be
Speaker 6: stopped by anyone because it's too separated, it's too immune
Speaker 6: from immediate voter pressure, and it's too complex for most
Speaker 6: people to understand. And the time has come for us
Speaker 6: to shadow that apart. That is the European deep state.
Speaker 6: The European deep state is not the bureaucracy of France
Speaker 6: or Germany individually.
Speaker 5: It's this transnational.
Speaker 6: Project that elites have built, and the United States has
Speaker 6: a direct role to play in undercutting that and saying
Speaker 6: people should have a direct influence over what their countries.
Speaker 4: Are like yeah, well said, and I did promise this
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Speaker 4: we talked about birthright citizenship. Frame up. What's going to
Speaker 4: happen if you have to get into the legal weeds,
Speaker 4: We get it, and why it's important.
Speaker 7: Well, we're at the Supreme Court already, which is good,
Speaker 7: and they took curciarrea before judgment on one of these cases,
Speaker 7: which they don't normally do, meaning the Supreme Court thinks
Speaker 7: it's really important. Basically, progresses are trying to pretend that
Speaker 7: there's no debate here at all, that this is a
Speaker 7: really simple question about the idea that if you're born
Speaker 7: in the United States, you're a citizen unless you're like
Speaker 7: the child of diplomats or the child of an invading army.
Speaker 7: But it's actually a little more complicated than that, because
Speaker 7: the key the decision the case will turn on the
Speaker 7: meaning of the phrase subject to the jurisdiction of the idea,
Speaker 7: being that you're not just a citizens you're born here.
Speaker 7: You need to be subject to the jurisdiction of the
Speaker 7: United States, and there's a lot of really good authority
Speaker 7: that jurisdiction requires allegiance, and it requires the permission of
Speaker 7: the sovereign to be here. So if you're the child
Speaker 7: of a lawful, permanent resident, then sure you get you
Speaker 7: get citizenship. But if you're the child of temporary visitors
Speaker 7: or legal aliens, you aren't and you shouldn't because the
Speaker 7: policy consequences of that are enormous and absurd. There's no
Speaker 7: way that any rational country would want have a policy
Speaker 7: like that that induces illegal immigration. And I think it's
Speaker 7: it's really you know, as much as the Left wants
Speaker 7: to pretend that this is straightforward as anything, but and
Speaker 7: I think, honestly, I think we're going to win this one.
Speaker 7: I think the Supreme Court is going to come down
Speaker 7: on the side of saying that, you know, you're not
Speaker 7: entitled the citizenship it's a child of illegal aliens.
Speaker 4: Well, you are the first person I think that I've
Speaker 4: we've had on this show that has sounded a vote
Speaker 4: of confidence. Blake is not so sure, or maybe you've
Speaker 4: changed your opinion, Blake.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I I just I want to I want to see
Speaker 6: it all play out. I maybe I should be from
Speaker 6: Missouri again, you know the show me state.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, Blake I want to see it succeed to
Speaker 4: be Yeah, I was gonna say, to be very clear,
Speaker 4: Blake is very much of the same mind.
Speaker 2: I just think Blake is.
Speaker 4: It is one of those weird issues where if you
Speaker 4: go back to the framing of it and the drafting
Speaker 4: of the amendment, it was clearly written for slaves, It
Speaker 4: was clearly written for the children of slaves.
Speaker 2: It was clearly debated.
Speaker 4: And they even said when you look at the debate notes,
Speaker 4: in the notes from the Senate that they were saying,
Speaker 4: of course this.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't apply to foreigners and all this stuff.
Speaker 6: I will say, I will say I've been very impressed
Speaker 6: with the Trump administrations laying out of the history of
Speaker 6: it and really getting into what its origins are.
Speaker 5: Their argument is very impressive.
Speaker 6: I just worry in pragmatic terms, I just don't know
Speaker 6: if this is Supreme Court, do we have five votes
Speaker 6: that would take the plunge on that or are we
Speaker 6: going to have that standard thing where they say, well,
Speaker 6: people are too dependent on how it's been interpreted for
Speaker 6: a long time. We don't like the implications of actually
Speaker 6: going back to what the law was clearly intended to be.
Speaker 6: So we're gonna woss out on it, and we've seen
Speaker 6: even these quite conservative leaning courts make that decision time
Speaker 6: and time again. So I'd be very happy if they
Speaker 6: change course.
Speaker 2: But show me.
Speaker 5: I've got to see it happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Will Chamberlain Article three Projects, Senior Counsel, Thank you
Speaker 4: so much for joining us.
Speaker 2: Well, it's great to see you again, my friend.
Speaker 7: Yeah, good to be with you.
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