1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Dahlia's YadA had to flee Egypt because after October seven, 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: she said, Israel has the right to defend itself. She 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: is courageous. She was also part of the Arab Springs, 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: the uprising of young people. 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: But instead of a. 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: Good, solid, strong, innocent, decent government going in Islamus took over. 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: She watched it happen. How does Iran stop history. 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: From repeating itself, I asked her, Dahlia's YadA, it is 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: so great to have you back on. Welcome to the 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: Aaron molland show what is going through your mind over 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: the past, say seventy two hours. 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: Tell me all your feelings. 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Erin always a pleasure to be 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 3: with you. So there is a lot of feelings out there. 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 3: And I would first speak as an Arab and looking 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: at also my fellow Arabs, especially in the Arab golf 17 00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 3: country countries, there are going through waves of relief at 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 3: the very first hours that finally this Sunni Shia dynamic 19 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 3: is coming to an end with the fall of the 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: Iranian regime, which is a big deal, a big relief 21 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 3: to the entire region. Then, as Iran started to move 22 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 3: the center of the conflict from Tehran to the Arab 23 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 3: Gulf States in order to create some kind of pressure 24 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: on the United States and also to widen the conflict, 25 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 3: to make it more like a regional and then a 26 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 3: global conflict, in hope that this will accelerate the US 27 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 3: operation or the US Israelid operation. Rather than taking weeks, 28 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 3: it may take days. So with this in mind, unfortunately, 29 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: the feeling shifted in the Arab on the Arab side 30 00:01:54,240 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 3: from relief and very much excitement and happiness to disbelief 31 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: and fear. And fear here is not only coming from 32 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: a sense of uncertainty of what might come next, but 33 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 3: it's coming from the fact that for the first time 34 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 3: Arab Golf countries are under direct attack. This never happened before. 35 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 3: This is a first, and we saw that the Arabian 36 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 3: Peninsula geographically speaking and Arab Golf states has been kind 37 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 3: of immune to all the political changes and military turmoils 38 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 3: and security turmoils that happened in the past four decades 39 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 3: or five decades or so. They have been always unshaken 40 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: by these events. Now they are not only shaken by 41 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 3: other events happening around them in the region, but they 42 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 3: are the main target, the main target of a very 43 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: strong military power like Iran. So this is forcing the 44 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 3: re alignment that we have been seeing in the region 45 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 3: to accelerate, actually in a good way, I believe, it's 46 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 3: I know, it's very The perspective now is very dark, 47 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 3: but this realignment is going into a very positive direction. 48 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 3: Two weeks ago, before this attack, we were, oh, we 49 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 3: were very concerned by the reft between the United Arab 50 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 3: Emirates and Saudi Arabia, and also very concerned by the 51 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: return of antisematic narrative in the Saudi media. And then 52 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, this always put aside. Our Gulf 53 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 3: countries are thinking as one collective. They are facing one enemy, 54 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: and even more, they are taking the side of Israel 55 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 3: and the United States in the fight against this enemy. 56 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 3: It's huge, it's a huge, it's a gaming changer in 57 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: my opinion. So from the other our perspective, things are 58 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 3: still are still concerning. However, if you look at it 59 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: from the Iranian perspective, of course, I'm very, very excited 60 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 3: to my friends in Iran who are finally having a 61 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 3: real chance to get thread of this regime. This not 62 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 3: I wouldn't call it a regime of this gang that 63 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: hijacked their country for the more than four decades ago, 64 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,559 Speaker 3: forty seven years ago specifically, So now they have this chance. 65 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: And this chance, by the way, was not possible without 66 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: a foreign intervention. I can see right now, like people 67 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 3: are criticizing, how come you know, like the regime is 68 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 3: gonna fall in the hands of Americans, So how can 69 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 3: Uranians take credit for that? But the fact is this 70 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: Uranian regime is an ideological regime. It's not just like 71 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: any political regime. Breaking an ideology based regime is very 72 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: strong because you cannot pull away the pillars giving this 73 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 3: regime intact, like the military for example, or the second 74 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 3: tier of political leadership for exam. You cannot take them 75 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 3: out to lead the regime fall because their connection to 76 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: the regime is an ideological connection. So it was impossible 77 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 3: for the nonviolent activists in Iran to do that on 78 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 3: their own. The other option was to easier to give 79 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 3: the people in Iran arms and just rebat the scenario 80 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 3: of Syria once again and end up with civil wars 81 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 3: that will threaten the entire region. Or what just President 82 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: Trump did, which is a foreign intervention to wave the 83 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 3: way for the Iranian people to take over. So but 84 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: so far the regime, the Iranian regime is doing its 85 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 3: best to survive, just once again by trying to widen 86 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 3: the scope of the conflict by targeting energy resources and 87 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: energy facilities and are both entries and let's see what's 88 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: gonna happen next. 89 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: I suspect it will contribute to a fast downfall for them. 90 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: It feels like such an iron goal. 91 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: They thought if they extended the front of this war 92 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: that it would put pressure on the US in Israel 93 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: to pull back or to stop, but it's had the 94 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: complete opposite effect, and it has galvanized people who were 95 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: not seeing eye to iron a lot of issues. So 96 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: it's such an own goal. You were part of the 97 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: Arab Springs uprising. You have been part of fighting and 98 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: a willingness to give your life to save your nation, 99 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: and then you've watched others come in and destroy that. 100 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: What lessons were learned there and what do the Iranian 101 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: people need to be hyper vigilant about to ensure the 102 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: right people go in when there is a vacuum. 103 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: Oh, it's actually you talked me back to the time 104 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 3: when I tell you even before the Arab Spring happened, 105 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 3: which I proudly participated, and we were looking at the 106 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 3: Iranian people as an example. In many people don't know 107 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 3: that in two thousand and nine, the Iranian youth came 108 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: out and they did the Green Revolution. It was a 109 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 3: big deal at that time, and I remember I was 110 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: watching from Cairou like so many other young liberal activists 111 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 3: who wanted to bring change to Egypt, and we were 112 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 3: telling ourselves that if the Iranians do it, we will 113 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 3: do it too. If they get rid of their dictators, 114 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 3: we will get rid of our dictator too. But what 115 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: happened is that, unfortunately, because the regime there is very strong, 116 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: the regime in Iran is very strong, very ideology, paste 117 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 3: they failed to do that one revolution after the other, 118 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: and actually so many young people had to pay their 119 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 3: lives for this to happen. Tens we're speaking about tens 120 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: of thousands of young people who were killed by this 121 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 3: brutal regime. We did the Arab Spring, but soon after 122 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 3: the Arab Spring, we fell in the same trap that 123 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: Iran fell in many decades ago, which is Islamists taking 124 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 3: advantage of the young people's revolution and trying to claim 125 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: this country. Except that we also learning from the example 126 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: of Iran. We acted very quickly in order not to 127 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 3: end up with the same scenario having the Muslim brotherhood 128 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 3: in power forever. So I believe the main listen that 129 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: the Iranian people need to learn from the Arab Spring 130 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 3: experience is the day after is how to prepare for 131 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: the day after? What will happen after the dictatorship fall. 132 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 3: Now we saw that ha Mani has been killed, the 133 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 3: regi and other leaders in the Iranian regime. The regime 134 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 3: is already collapsing as we speak, so sooner or later 135 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 3: this regime will vanish and there will be a vacuum 136 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 3: in power. If the Iranian people did not act strategically 137 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 3: and quickly enough to fill in this vacuum in power 138 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: with the right people, with the right persons who support liberalism, 139 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 3: who support democracy, who support rights, Unfortunately, other evil actors 140 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 3: will try to take advantage of the situation and jump 141 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 3: in and fill in this vacuum in power. So I 142 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: believe this is the most important listen from now start 143 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 3: planning for the day after the dictator falls. This is very, 144 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: very crucial. 145 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: How do you think this will change the Middle East? 146 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: And do you think maybe for the first time in 147 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: your lifetime, that peace is a legitimate chance, because even 148 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: you look at Katar and it appears as though they 149 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: are trying to move away from their faults and behavior 150 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: of the past, i e. 151 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: Harboring Hamasa. 152 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: Whether or not that is the case, it appears that 153 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: way from the outside, they're trying to be considered and 154 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: looked at as an ally of the US. Could this 155 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: eventuate in peace or is that still fanciful? 156 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 3: Green, I tell you something, and I'm not exaggerating. This 157 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 3: is the end of the Middle East as we know it. 158 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 3: Everything in you about the Middle East before is something 159 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: and everything that will come next in the Middle East 160 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 3: is a totally different thing. And by the way, this 161 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: process of death and rebirth in the Middle East has 162 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 3: been happening for two years now, specifically since October seventh, 163 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 3: which was meant to direct the region into a certain 164 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 3: direction that once again empowered terrorism, empowered Islamist groups, empower 165 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: political Islamists and so but thanks to Israel's very amazing, 166 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: actually I don't even find the god word to describe it, 167 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 3: very insightful way in dealing with the situation, by focusing 168 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 3: on the head of the snake, by focusing on the source, 169 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 3: the Iranian militia, the armies of Iran, and then after 170 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 3: that Iran itself, and being very strategic, strategic and very 171 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,359 Speaker 3: careful of how to navigate this without losing their relationships 172 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 3: with Arab countries to spite the pressure they were under. 173 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 3: This was amazing. This is what's creating the new Middle 174 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 3: is not the use of power, not the use of alone, 175 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 3: but the strategic use of this power and this force. 176 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 3: And now we are and the peak actually of this 177 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 3: death and repairs process in the Middle East as the 178 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 3: fall of the Iranian regime, which is happening as we 179 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 3: speak right now, thanks to the pressure put by the 180 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 3: US military and the US Israel campaign to finish this job. 181 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 3: So now a new Middle East will be born. In 182 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 3: this new Middle East, actually, I believe the main power, 183 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 3: or the two main powers who will dictate the future 184 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: or see the agenda for the future of this Middle 185 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: East are not Iran, are not Arabs, all Arabs are 186 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 3: not Arabs, are not Iran. 187 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: But Turkey and Israel. 188 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: These are the two main powers that will dictate the 189 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 3: future of the Middle East from now on. In the US, 190 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: in Washington, there are clear assessments about that. And we 191 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: saw even recently, President Trump in the Board of Peace, 192 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 3: he tried to speak about or he actually mentioned the 193 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 3: necessity of bringing Kutter sorry, Turkey and Israel closer together 194 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 3: once again. And why because the assessment here in Washington 195 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: is that these are the future leaders of the region 196 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: and we need to make sure that they will work together, 197 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: not again ast each other. I mean, the era where 198 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 3: we saw Arabs taking the lead is not going to 199 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 3: be the case anymore either the bassist and nacerist Arabs, 200 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: like the example of Egypt and Syria in the past, 201 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: or the post Arabs bring Arab leadership in the form 202 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 3: of the Arab golf countries. No, forget about all of that. 203 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 3: It's not that it's obviously not Iran. We are now 204 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 3: on the verge of seeing a new Iran being rebuilt, 205 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: and it will be a more once again, a civilized 206 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 3: Iran that respects its neighbors. It's not the Islamic regime Iran. 207 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: So it will be yes, a key actor. Arabs of 208 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 3: course would continue to be a key actor, but not 209 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 3: the leaders because once again Arabs because of their economic power, 210 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 3: Iran because of cultural power. But it will not be 211 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 3: They will not be the leaders. The big sisters. In 212 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: other words, the big sisters for the vision will be 213 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 3: Turkey and Israel, and we have to account for that, 214 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 3: we have to plan for that, we have to understand 215 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 3: the future of the region based on that. 216 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: It's interesting because I think at every opportunity that Trump 217 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: and Urduwan have come together, Trump has said consistently he's a. 218 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: Really good guy. I really like him. He's a good bloke. 219 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: He's a good bloke, and those of us who know 220 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: a lot about him kind of cringe and go ugh. 221 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: But the necessity of what is to come and pushing 222 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: that relationship with Israel sounds like it will be absolutely key. Finally, 223 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: on a personal note for you, you mentioned Egypt. I 224 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: think I saw that Egypt is going to allow Israeli 225 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: planes to take off in land and there'd be some 226 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: kind of evacuation or coming in coming out process there. 227 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: Does that give you. 228 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: Hope for maybe a future where you can go back 229 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: to your country, where there are relations that are less 230 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: less tense. 231 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, it's still not a possibality. It's Egypt is yes, 232 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 3: or maybe from time to time they make guest stures 233 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 3: that make them appear like they are finally opening up 234 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: to Israel or becoming friendly to Israel. But no, unfortunately 235 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 3: this is not the case right now. For example, while 236 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 3: they are availing their Taba, A city very close to 237 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 3: the border with Israel, availing the airport in Taba for 238 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 3: israel Is to travel to back to their countries because 239 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: the airspace in Israel is not available. At that same time, 240 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 3: the Egyptian president the other day was making a very 241 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: vig speech to the leaders of the military about potential 242 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 3: conflict without naming names, but you can tell from his 243 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 3: words that he is referring to Israel. Also, if you 244 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 3: follow the Egyptian media, it's very disturbing. They are copying 245 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 3: the Turkey narrative about Iran. They are mirroring exactly the 246 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 3: Turkish position. And also once again they are framing us 247 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 3: if we let Iran fall, this means Israel will be 248 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 3: stronger and this will be a threat to Egypt. Although 249 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 3: Israel literally, at least since the Peast Treaty, they have 250 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 3: never been a threat to Egypt. But this is the 251 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 3: logic in Egypt and as long as this continues, unfortunately, 252 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: all the political guest shures will mean nothing. 253 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: Now, you're absolutely right, and I suspect There's a very 254 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: similar case with Katar as well. Even reading their statement, 255 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: it didn't mention Israel. It talked about the death of 256 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: civilians and how polling that was. And I'm there thinking 257 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: how many civilians died in October seven that you were 258 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: directly involved in and then you protected and harbored the 259 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: people who actually carried it out. Yeah, come on, can't 260 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: just care now that it's your own civilians. Dahlia's Jada brilliant. 261 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: Is always so good to have you on. I can't 262 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: wait to hear hear your thoughts as we move further 263 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: along and hopefully not too much of an extended conflict. 264 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you so much, Rian, thank you. 265 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for joining us here on 266 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: the Aeron Mullins Show. 267 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: We hope you've enjoyed it. 268 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: We will see you not just Monday six am, but 269 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: weekend episodes on the Salem News Channel and of course 270 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: just all the time because it's all we do.