1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Life audio. 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: Hi from the Salvation Army. You're listening to words of life. 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 3: These are the words are the life. 4 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 4: The global human trafficking and forced labor industry generates an 5 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 4: estimated two hundred and thirty six billion dollars a year 6 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 4: in illegal profits annually, but there are real humans behind 7 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 4: those staggering numbers. In today's episode, we discussed what the 8 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 4: Salvation Army and other organizations are doing to help. If 9 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 4: you or someone you love you suspect is being trafficked, 10 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 4: call the National Human Trafficking Hotline at one eight eight 11 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 4: eight three seven three seven eight eight eight. We will 12 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 4: also have additional links and resources in the show notes. 13 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 5: Human trafficking is defined as the recruitment, transportation, transfer, or 14 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 5: harboring or receipt of people through force, fraud, or coercion. 15 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 5: It goes through the process of the action, the means, 16 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 5: and the purpose. And so the action behind it is 17 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 5: the recruitment, like what is it is transportation, it's the harboring, 18 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 5: it's the act of the thing. The means is usually 19 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 5: the threat is the force, it's the coercion, it's the deception, 20 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 5: and then really the abuse of power. And then the 21 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 5: purpose of it exploitation. Really, it's the exploitation of vulnerabilities, 22 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 5: the exploitation of people, and it takes on different forms. 23 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,919 Speaker 5: And so that second part of the question about trafficking, 24 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 5: the perception of trafficking being like kidnapping, the white van 25 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 5: pulling up in the neighborhood and snatching children off the street. 26 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 5: And I don't know where it came from. Maybe it's 27 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 5: a conglomeration of media, movies and conversation, But really, what 28 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 5: human trafficking is, it's grooming, it's recruiting. It's right there 29 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 5: happening in households and schools online, and it takes on 30 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 5: many many faces. For example, we talk about peer to 31 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 5: peer trafficking. Sometimes it happens in middle school, high school, 32 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 5: where there has been someone who was recruited and groomed 33 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 5: as a high schooler or a middle schooler and is actively, 34 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 5: unfortunately being exploited by a trafficker, and they go into 35 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 5: their circle of friends, their network, their schools, and they 36 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 5: start the process of grooming and it looks like relationship building. 37 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think traffickers often prey on vulnerable kids 38 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 6: and adults, and they find women or boys who are 39 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 6: have a background of child abuse, who have you know, 40 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 6: a single parent home where they don't have supervision or 41 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 6: they don't feel like they have anyone that cares about them, 42 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 6: and they become that person, right. That's you know, offering 43 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 6: that And so I think that when we talk about 44 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 6: mental health and addiction, it all ties in because once 45 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 6: you begin experiencing that level of trauma and abuse and exploitation, 46 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 6: often you're using substances to numb yourself or to survive. 47 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 6: Then not only are you being trafficked, but you're also 48 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 6: now in a cycle of addiction. And then you might 49 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 6: get arrested and so then you're in the prison system 50 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 6: and you're stuck and being criminalized, and it can become 51 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 6: this cycle, and unfortunately, our culture criminalizes the women instead 52 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 6: of the men, and so then they're even more stuck. 53 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 6: I think a stat that sticks out to me is 54 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 6: by doctor Melissa Farley. She did a research on women 55 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 6: who are in prostitution and eighty nine percent of them 56 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 6: said that if they actually had the means to leave, 57 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 6: that they would, but they feel stuck. They feel like, 58 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 6: you know, they've they have no other options. There's they have, 59 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 6: whether it's their addiction or they don't have any safe 60 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 6: place to go, or they don't they don't feel like 61 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 6: they can have a job, and so they just truly 62 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 6: feel stuck. And so a lot of times what we 63 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 6: see is they might be trafficked as a child, like 64 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 6: Shea was saying, and then they become an adult and 65 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 6: maybe they're able to get away from their trafficker, but 66 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 6: they're still stuck in that cycle of exploitation and prostitution 67 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 6: because they feel that there's there's no way out. 68 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 7: Yeah, I definitely think that it's a vulnerability. And you know, 69 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 7: just even recently, I was talking to some people who 70 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 7: work in the Claxton Community in Atlanta, which is basically 71 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 7: where refugees who have been screened and approved to come 72 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 7: into America are kind of relocated in this in this 73 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 7: part of the States. And because of some of the 74 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 7: policies that are in place at them moment, and their 75 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 7: benefits that are being cut and all the things that 76 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 7: were provided for people that are now not being provided, 77 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 7: a lot of these families are now at risk of 78 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 7: being trafficked, especially late in the field of labor trafficking, 79 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 7: and that has increased so much so it's very sad 80 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 7: actually for people who have come here done the right 81 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 7: thing and now being put in these really vulnerable positions 82 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 7: and then finding themselves being exploited. 83 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 4: Hey, you're listening to the Salvation Armies words of life. 84 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 4: We're going to take a quick ad break and we'll 85 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 4: be right back. Anyone who hasn't either been educated on 86 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 4: human trafficking or just hasn't been exposed to it, a 87 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 4: lot of people just it's out of sight, out of mind, 88 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 4: and you almost can't believe that, you know, in twenty 89 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 4: twenty six, you know this could happen. But it's people 90 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 4: seeing other people as just commodities, and it's not that 91 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 4: hard to imagine. I mean, we're only a few generations 92 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 4: removed from like American slavery, but we're so good at 93 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 4: quickly forgetting our history. If we didn't see it firsthand, 94 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 4: we just kind of, oh, you know, it's not like 95 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 4: that anymore. But it's still going on, like right here 96 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,679 Speaker 4: in Atlanta. 97 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: I heard a stat. You all are more expert of 98 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: this than me, so feel free to correct me, but 99 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: I've heard that there are more people in slavery today 100 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: than there were at the peak of the African slave trade, 101 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: which is an absolutely incredible stat to me because like 102 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: you said, it goes underneath the surface and it's not 103 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: even something we necessarily notice. 104 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 7: And I think that COVID has really changed how it's 105 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 7: happening as well, right a lot of online it's kind 106 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 7: of moved from being even visible a little bit on 107 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 7: the street to now being very invisible online. 108 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 5: What I've learned over the years doing the work is 109 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 5: we're poverty and wealth kind of coincide. Unfortunately, it's like 110 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 5: a breeding ground for exploitation because people are trying to survive. 111 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 5: It's I have to pay rent. So we got to 112 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 5: figure this out. And sorry, Johnny, you have to go 113 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 5: do this thing so that we our family can eat today. 114 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 5: And unfortunately, not a lot of people talk about the 115 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 5: familial trafficking portion of this, but that is absolutely, unfortunately 116 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 5: a reality. We talk about gang related trafficking and again 117 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 5: peer to peer trafficking. It does take on many forms, 118 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 5: but it often is hidden, right and plain sight. 119 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, along those lines, A story that stands out to me. 120 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 6: When Sandra and I had started have in Atlanta at 121 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 6: a Salvation Army church, the CROC Center, she had me 122 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 6: share with the youth group there about just what trafficking 123 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 6: was and the work we were doing, and afterwards, two 124 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 6: of the girls came up to me and they said, 125 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 6: you know, Hillary, what you just talked to us about. 126 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 6: I think that's happening to my sister. And I asked 127 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 6: them some more questions and it came to light that 128 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 6: she had run away from home with a boyfriend quote 129 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 6: who was actually trafficking her out of hotels around the 130 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 6: Atlanta airport. And because the sisters realized what was going on, 131 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 6: we were able to get her out of the situation 132 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 6: and get her the help that she needed, and she 133 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 6: ended up starting to come to the drop in center 134 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 6: because she had just turned eighteen, so technically she was 135 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 6: an adult. The reality is most of these girls don't 136 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 6: even know that it is trafficking. They think this is 137 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 6: just my boyfriend and I'm helping out, and they don't 138 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 6: see it for what it is. And so I think 139 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 6: we have to be aware, and I think talking about 140 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 6: it with young people is important because I mean, that 141 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 6: just showed me that, you know, having those kind of 142 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 6: conversations can help save lives and bring things to light. 143 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 4: We pray that you're enjoying and being blessed by this conversation. 144 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 4: We're going to take one more ADVOAC and we'll be 145 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 4: right back. Education is one of the things that we're 146 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 4: doing as far as writing human trafficking. What else are 147 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 4: we doing, Like what does the work actually look like 148 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 4: and how are we helping restore people's lives. 149 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 7: There's some really exciting things happening around the world within 150 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 7: a Salvation Army and what they're doing and just being 151 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 7: a part of conversations where like in Africa they're working 152 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 7: in schools. In Mexico, I was part of one of 153 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 7: their meetings and there's a huge risk of young people 154 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 7: being kidnapped off the streets, and so they're doing a 155 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 7: lot of prevention work with that. You know, in Canada 156 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 7: they're doing a lot of work in the prisons with women. 157 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 7: In Europe, with many of the refugees coming from the Ukraine, 158 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 7: they're really doing a lot of prevention as well to 159 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 7: help with that. In India they are doing stuff in 160 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 7: the red light district in Mumbai and they're like training 161 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 7: women with new skills. And I am excited to be 162 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 7: part of such a great organization that is working so 163 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 7: hard in this field. And like was hearing earlier this 164 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 7: year about their repatriation efforts that they're doing and getting 165 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 7: people back to their countries after they have been trafficked. 166 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 7: I feel it's just so grateful to be like part 167 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 7: of an organization that this was part of something that 168 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 7: they started so many years ago, and now they're like 169 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 7: still working in all these countries around the world and 170 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 7: really making such brilliant efforts and because they care, you know, 171 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 7: and so I overseas, I can say so much is happening, 172 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 7: and it's exciting. 173 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: If somebody's listening to this and they feel like they 174 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: were recognizing that they're being trafficked or that somebody close 175 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: to them is being trafficked, what should they do. That's 176 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: a great question. 177 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 6: There's a few organizations. I got to work for Freedom 178 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 6: Collective for a couple of years, so I don't know 179 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 6: if we can put their information in the show notes. 180 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 6: But they have an emergency hotline twenty four to seven 181 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 6: where if a survivor wants to get to a safe 182 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 6: house at any point, they will provide transportation there. Healing 183 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 6: and recovery for survivors is years long, but there has 184 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 6: to be an emergency response piece because they need that 185 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 6: crisis stabilization and oftentimes they're experiencing depression, anxiety, PTSD, mental health. 186 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 6: Sometimes they need stabilization things like that. So these organizations 187 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 6: can help with that, and so I would recommend calling 188 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 6: Freedom Collective or Safe House Project is another national organization 189 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 6: that can help find placement for survivors immediately, because that's 190 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 6: really needed and important. And I did want to mention 191 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 6: just that the Salvation Army really does have a rich 192 00:11:55,880 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 6: history in fighting trafficking and back in nineteen hundred when 193 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 6: they opened the Salvation Army in Japan, there were these 194 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 6: brothels with thousands and thousands of women being exploited. The 195 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 6: Army wanted to do something about it. They found out 196 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 6: there was actually a law that said that they could 197 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 6: leave if they wanted to leave, but the women and 198 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 6: the brothels didn't know that. They were told there was 199 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 6: debt bondage and they could never leave. And so they 200 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 6: actually translated the law and printed thousands of copies of 201 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 6: it went into these brothels where Salvation Army pastors were beaten, hospitalized, 202 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 6: experienced violence, but they kept going in to tell the 203 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 6: women that if they wanted to leave, they could leave. Eventually, 204 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 6: thousands of women were able to leave those brothels and 205 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 6: the Army actually because of that, started opening up rescue homes, 206 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 6: providing safe places for survivors, and so that's a part 207 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 6: of our history. And my hope in prayer is that 208 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 6: we continue along those lines, that we are a place 209 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 6: that advocates for survivors, that provide safe spaces, that will 210 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 6: be a light in those dark places. 211 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 5: Dear God, we know that the Gospel cause believers not 212 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 5: only to expose darkness, but to walk alongside those trying 213 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 5: to get out of it. And I pray God that 214 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 5: you would continue to mold us and shape us, to 215 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 5: help us to learn to do good and to seek 216 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 5: justice and light of survivors and serving those who really 217 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 5: are in need. I pray that we can sound the 218 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 5: alarm and shine light in the deepest of the darkness. 219 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: God. 220 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 5: And I thank you God for giving us you because 221 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 5: you are the light, and you will do it in Jesus' name, 222 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 5: We pray praymen. 223 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: The Salvation Army's mission doing the most good means helping 224 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: people with material and spiritual needs. 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