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Speaker 1: Life audio. Most people, you know, they see the battles

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Speaker 1: may be, but they don't recognize the spiritual battle.

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Speaker 2: Every battle that someone is fighting in their life, there

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Speaker 2: is a parallel battle going on in the supernatural world.

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Speaker 1: What's up, guys, and welcome to the March Our Die Podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is a show where we do our best to

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Speaker 1: give you the principles and perspective to move forward when

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Speaker 1: it would be easier to stay where you are and die.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's familiar with this concept, or at least in military

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Speaker 1: and first responder community. You know, the X is where

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Speaker 1: you die. So you have to get off the xiten

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Speaker 1: and do that. You've got to be willing to move forward.

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Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about how that is affected

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Speaker 1: by the battle you can't see, which is spiritual warfare.

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Speaker 1: So I have a great guest today, my friend Dave Edwards.

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Speaker 1: So glad to be man, So great for you to

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Speaker 1: be here. I love just getting to sit and talk

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Speaker 1: with you. So I'm enjoyed the conversation. Yes, and I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: I think this is something I am passionate about spiritual warfare,

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Speaker 1: and I think I'm gonna glean some powerful insights from

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Speaker 1: somebody who's been walking in this then longer than me.

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Speaker 2: Well, so we've both been in the fight.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. But man, I think you know,

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Speaker 1: most people, you know, they see the battles they're in

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Speaker 1: their marriage, their their finances, their their health, whatever it

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Speaker 1: may be, but they don't recognize a lot of times

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Speaker 1: the spiritual battle. So I'm excited to get into that today.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about the reality of spiritual warfare. You know,

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Speaker 1: why you know, Jesus took it so seriously, our role

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Speaker 1: in the fight, why we lose the battle. So we'll

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Speaker 1: come with some of those stuff today. Really good. But

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Speaker 1: before we get started, man, tell me a little bit

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Speaker 1: about you know, tell the audience a little bit about

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Speaker 1: your background.

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Speaker 2: And you know, well, man, I spent twenty five years

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Speaker 2: as a traveling Bibel teacher and travel all over the country.

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Speaker 2: I built a lot of citywide Bible studies for young adults.

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Speaker 2: That was primarily what I did. And I was doing

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Speaker 2: all that back when churches weren't cool yet, you know,

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Speaker 2: so they didn't have bands, and so I brought all

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Speaker 2: lot of evangelistic entry points for young adults, people that

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Speaker 2: a number of middle school high school assemblies. I've been

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Speaker 2: at fifteen hundred high schools in my lifetime and probably

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Speaker 2: another thousand places and churches, and I've been a lot

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Speaker 2: a lot of what we're talking about. It was really

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Speaker 2: project I've been here for I'm going on my twelfth year.

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Speaker 2: And what I do here is I help people take

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Speaker 2: their next step and being a disciple of Jesus, so

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Speaker 2: we have a process and a pathway and we just

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Speaker 2: and it's one of the things that I love the most.

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Speaker 2: So I really spent you know, all those decades on

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Speaker 1: And I always love to ask, especially when we have

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Speaker 1: what's your testiment? I mean, I know you were saved

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, man, I was. I was saved when I

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Speaker 2: That morning, I asked Jesus to become the lord of

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Speaker 2: And when all of that truth intersected with all the

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Speaker 2: I started there at seventh grade. I played ketchup seventh

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Speaker 2: And so I just I learned to try to live

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Speaker 1: That's that's good man, It's powerful. It's yeah, man, absolutely, yeah. Sweet. Well,

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Speaker 1: well let's get into the topic today of the spiritual warfare. Man.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about I guess the first thing I

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Speaker 2: It's a real thing. And I think the two extremes

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Speaker 2: So for everything that Jesus is doing in someone's life

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Speaker 2: Because the enemy thought he had won. He thought he

434
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Speaker 2: had he had been able to orchestrate this sham trial

435
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Speaker 2: and to get Jesus to be sentenced and then get

436
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Speaker 2: him to the cross. And there was the Son of

437
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 2: God hanging between heaven and Earth and Hell through a party.

438
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Speaker 2: And that party started on Friday, and it lasted all

439
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Speaker 2: the way through Friday, and it lasted all the way

440
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Speaker 2: through Saturday. And all of Hell thought they had won,

441
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Speaker 2: that they had finally nailed the Son of God to

442
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Speaker 2: the cross. But on Sunday morning everything began to shift.

443
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Speaker 2: And on Sunday morning, Jesus gets up and puts all

444
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Speaker 2: of Hell notice. And so the death of Jesus on

445
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Speaker 2: the cross, like I think, we just think of it as, oh,

446
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Speaker 2: you know, he took these nails into his hands and

447
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: into his feet, and the crown of thorns, and he

448
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: bled out for us, which he did. But spiritually what

449
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Speaker 2: was happening was that everything that Hell had was placed

450
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Speaker 2: on Jesus. I mean, they rolled the guns to the

451
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Speaker 2: front of the territory and they fired sickness and death,

452
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Speaker 2: and lack and abuse and injustice, and racism and starvation

453
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Speaker 2: and you know, weakness, all everything that hell had they

454
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Speaker 2: fired it at Jesus, trying to extinguish his life. All

455
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Speaker 2: of the contents of Hell was placed on Jesus on

456
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Speaker 2: the cross, and the enemy thought he had won. And

457
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Speaker 2: so I was saying that Jesus wore hell on the

458
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Speaker 2: cross so that we could wear heaven in our life,

459
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Speaker 2: so that we could have his Kingdom of Light come

460
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Speaker 2: in freeze from the things Jesus.

461
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Speaker 1: Roles say that again.

462
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Speaker 2: Jesus wore hell on the cross. All of hell was

463
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Speaker 2: placed on him. Jesus wore hell on the cross so

464
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Speaker 2: that we could wear heaven in our life, so that

465
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Speaker 2: all everything that was real about the Kingdom of Light

466
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 2: could become real in our bodies and reel in our

467
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: spirits and reel in our homes. Right, this is I mean,

468
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: this is about light overcoming darkness. Right, So you have

469
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Speaker 2: these bouts that Jesus has the enemy. Round one was

470
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Speaker 2: the desert. Round two is the ministry. Round three is

471
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Speaker 2: the cross right, Round four is the resurrection. Right, he

472
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Speaker 2: comes back to life, and he defeats all of the

473
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Speaker 2: schemes of the enemy. And in that moment when Jesus

474
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Speaker 2: is ascended, he releases his spirit into our life, so

475
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Speaker 2: that all the firepower that Jesus had to overcome evil

476
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Speaker 2: through the Holy Spirit now is placed in us. Like

477
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 2: when he's talking about how can anyone enter the strong

478
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: man's house unless and care of his property unless he

479
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: first binds the strong man? Right, Well, the spirit of

480
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: Jesus at salvation is placed in us, and that's the

481
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Speaker 2: place from which we fight. So we fight from the spirit.

482
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Speaker 2: We believe in the spirit. Right, we read the Bible

483
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: in the spirit. We make choices about our health and

484
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Speaker 2: choice about our lives from the spirit of Jesus that's

485
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Speaker 2: living within us. And so like you know, I always

486
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Speaker 2: say that since we're given the Holy Spirit, then as

487
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Speaker 2: we pray and do warfare.

488
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Speaker 1: We have to.

489
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Speaker 2: If you're praying for someone's body to be made well,

490
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: then we have to say, then I pray now that

491
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: the physical body would come into alignment with the spirit

492
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Speaker 2: of God living on the inside of me. That I

493
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Speaker 2: would ask that every that every part of the physical

494
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Speaker 2: body would work and fight and fire in the way

495
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Speaker 2: that God attended it, and that it would come into

496
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Speaker 2: alignment with the spirit living on the inside of us. Right,

497
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Speaker 2: so you've got these bouts where Jesus steps into a

498
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Speaker 2: ring and he goes hand to hand hand to hand

499
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Speaker 2: combat with the enemy, rolls up his sleeves, and they

500
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Speaker 2: wrestle all the way through the streets of Jerusalem, all

501
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Speaker 2: the way through the brokenness and up into the house

502
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Speaker 2: where the four friends bring the paralytic and drop him

503
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Speaker 2: through the roof and sets him free. And all of

504
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 2: that was this battle between the Kingdom of Light and

505
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 2: the Kingdom of darkness there and that battle wrestled. They

506
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Speaker 2: wrestled all the way up to the cross into the

507
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Speaker 2: enemy thought.

508
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Speaker 1: He had won.

509
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Speaker 2: But then finally Jesus gets up and puts all of

510
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Speaker 2: Hell on notice. And so if I my hope, for

511
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Speaker 2: if I had a hope for anything about this podcast.

512
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Speaker 2: I would hope that people just begin to think about

513
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: this whole thing differently instead of just saying, well, I

514
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Speaker 2: guess what's happening is the will of God. I guess

515
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: I'm just here to take a beating, you know. And

516
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Speaker 2: Jesus never taught that, Like there was never a moment

517
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Speaker 2: on his you know, in his earthly ministry where he said,

518
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Speaker 2: looks like it's just not your day, I don't think

519
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: I can help you out, man, you know. But instead,

520
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Speaker 2: like even when we didn't have enough faith, Jesus used

521
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Speaker 2: his faith when people couldn't get there, Like the man

522
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: who said, I do believe, but I don't believe. But

523
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: I do, but I don't I can't quite get there.

524
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Speaker 2: Then Jesus said, don't worry, I'm going to I'll use

525
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Speaker 2: my faith for you. I'll step into this situation and

526
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Speaker 2: override it and overpower it and fight to give you

527
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Speaker 2: your life back, you know. I mean, so it's a

528
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: it's a powerful thing. And when you see that, you

529
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Speaker 2: know Jesus is on the side of light and love

530
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Speaker 2: and liberty and liberation and freedom, like he is the

531
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Speaker 2: ally or ally in the struggle.

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Speaker 1: I love that, so what so then what is our role?

533
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Speaker 1: What is our role? How do we how do we

534
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Speaker 1: fight this fight? How do we gear up to fight? Man?

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Speaker 2: I think when you read that passage out of Ephesian six,

536
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: that's this is the ultimate passage about being involved. Right,

537
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Speaker 2: So one, we have to see ourselves as part of

538
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Speaker 2: the solution, like our role is. We have to see

539
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: ourselves as part of the solution. That when we give

540
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Speaker 2: our life to Christ, we join the kingdom of light,

541
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Speaker 2: and we joined his king and his king him as

542
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Speaker 2: our king and to be a part of his kingdom.

543
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Speaker 2: And so you've got to see yourself as part of

544
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Speaker 2: the solution to say, you know what, my faith in

545
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Speaker 2: Jesus is what makes me fit for the fight. And

546
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Speaker 2: you've got everyone of us have to get up and

547
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Speaker 2: say I'm part of this fight, you know. And then

548
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: we have to use what is true of us. Like

549
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Speaker 2: Ephesian six, when you get over here thirteen it says,

550
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Speaker 2: therefore take up the full armor of God, so that

551
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Speaker 2: so that you will be able to resist the evil day.

552
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Speaker 2: And having done this, to stand firm. So it's always

553
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Speaker 2: good for us to remember that we got we got

554
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Speaker 2: to armor up right, our role in This is that

555
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: you've got to put on the helmet of salvation, the

556
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: breastplate of righteousness, and these things are the the The

557
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: armor that we put on represents how we pray. So

558
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: we pray, Thank you God for saving me. Thank you

559
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Speaker 2: God for giving me faith and believe in you. Thank you.

560
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Speaker 2: I'm going to cover my loins with the loins of

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Speaker 2: peace and the and my feet shed with the preparation

562
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: of the Gospel. God, Thank you that You've armored me

563
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Speaker 2: up today to enter into this fight. I'm going to

564
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Speaker 2: use I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be distracted with

565
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: my own weakness. Instead, I'm going to put on the armor.

566
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Speaker 2: So the way we get involved is that we have

567
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Speaker 2: to see ourselves as part of the solution. We have

568
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Speaker 2: to get armored up, you know, and and know that

569
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Speaker 2: when you get up, you're in the battle right, And

570
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Speaker 2: then we have to excuse our excuses. I think you know.

571
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Speaker 2: Verse fourteen says, stand firm. Therefore, having girded your loins

572
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Speaker 2: with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, right,

573
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Speaker 2: the right brostrated righteous is who I am in the Lord.

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Speaker 2: You know that I'm that we're God's sons, that he

575
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Speaker 2: adopted us in places at the family table. That's that

576
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Speaker 2: that in his presence, I'm made righteous. So I'm gonna

577
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna put that on me. I'm going to wear

578
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: that into battle, you know. And so instead of saying, well,

579
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Speaker 2: I guess it's not my day, or maybe I'm just

580
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Speaker 2: supposed to take this, and a kind of guy say

581
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: to me last week, I'm basically just kind of waiting

582
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Speaker 2: for all this to end. Like he literally had no

583
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Speaker 2: hope for anything, you know, and and I saw I

584
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Speaker 2: think you have to excuse your excuses and to say,

585
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Speaker 2: all I have is that I'm covered in the arm

586
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Speaker 2: in the armor of Jesus, having girded your loins with

587
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Speaker 2: truth right, having it on the breastplate of rightness, having

588
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: shod your feet with the preparation of the Gospel right

589
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: in addition, and all taking up the shield of faith,

590
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Speaker 2: and you'll be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of.

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Speaker 1: The evil one.

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Speaker 2: I mean, God has prepared us for this battle with

593
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Speaker 2: his holy armor. And these are all things that are

594
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Speaker 2: true about us in the spirit. You know, I've seen

595
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Speaker 2: people get up and re enact. You know, I'm going

596
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Speaker 2: to say I'm going to put on the helmet and

597
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: put on the breastplate, which I think is a little hokey,

598
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: but you have to use it in your prayer life. God,

599
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Speaker 2: I thank you that I'm righteous in your side, and

600
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Speaker 2: thank you that I'm carrying the truth within me and

601
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Speaker 2: that I had the Gospel in my feet wherever I go.

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Speaker 2: When I step into enemy territory, I'm stepping in being

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Speaker 2: armored up. And then I think we also have to

604
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Speaker 2: stay awake, right, we have to stay alert. This is

605
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Speaker 2: why he says, with all prayer and petition, pray at

606
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Speaker 2: all times in the spirit with this be on the alert.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: He tells us like, you can't underestimate this battle. You

609
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Speaker 2: can't overestimate this battle. But you can't be afraid. But

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Speaker 2: you do have to be alert. You've got to be

611
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Speaker 2: alert that we are in a battle. And that is

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Speaker 2: the reason why their sickness and suffering and lack and

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Speaker 2: hopelessness and all of those things, and every e MT

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Speaker 2: that's watching that when they step out of that truck

615
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: and they step onto some situation, they don't know what

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Speaker 2: they're going into. They're stepping into a battlefield. Every day

617
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: they're in this battle. And people's lives are being affected

618
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Speaker 2: by what's happening in the spirit, and people make choices.

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Speaker 2: You know, Addiction comes from people who make choices to

620
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Speaker 2: open a door to align themselves with the kingdom of darkness.

621
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Speaker 2: And so as believers, right, we have to we have

622
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: to as as kingdom citizens of the Kingdom of light,

623
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Speaker 2: we have to take light into where people are trapped

624
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Speaker 2: by addiction, or trapped by hurt or trapped by domestic violence,

625
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Speaker 2: or whatever it may be. We're care of the light

626
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: of the Kingdom into kingdom of darkness. We're just what

627
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Speaker 2: Jesus did on the Cross has to be repeated in

628
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Speaker 2: every part of our lives. So this is what I

629
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: call enforcing the works of the Cross. So everything that

630
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Speaker 2: Jesus won on the cross, we have to then appropriate

631
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Speaker 2: that and to bring it down into the circumstances in

632
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Speaker 2: which we live. So if he appropriated freedom, then we

633
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: have to take that freedom and enforce it into this

634
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Speaker 2: particular area. Every law enforcement officer knows what it means

635
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: to enforce the law. Right, they're taking the law that's

636
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: on the books and they're enforcing it into a circumstance.

637
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: They're saying, this is the way this situation has to

638
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: go because of this rule. Well, it's the same thing

639
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: with Christianity. Everything that Jesus won on the Cross, we

640
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 2: then take it and we enforce it into our situations,

641
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: into our circumstances. So the Cross can never be something

642
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 2: that just exists in the past of a Christian's life

643
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: tousand years ago. It's something that we draw from in

644
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: every battle that we're facing. So Jesus won freedom and

645
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 2: hope and forgiveness and liberation, and so we take those

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Speaker 2: things and we enforce them in the midst of the

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00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: circumstances in which we're fighting. Right, this is not just

648
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: like God, give me strength to get through it. It's

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00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: the same reason that a law enforcement officer wears a

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Speaker 2: badge that means they have legal authority to enforce the

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Speaker 2: law into a situation. Well, and it's the same thing

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Speaker 2: as the Son of God. We're marked by the Cross

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Speaker 2: in an essence, that is our badge, and so we

654
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Speaker 2: we go into the we step into the arena of

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Speaker 2: warfare knowing that Jesus wanted on the cross, and then

656
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Speaker 2: we take everything that he made real and we bring

657
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Speaker 2: it into that situation, saying that's a life giving that's

658
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Speaker 2: a that's a light. So our role then is we

659
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: got to stay awake and then we have to pray

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Speaker 2: to win. Right when we we're praying to win, we're not.

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Speaker 2: You know, we talked earlier. You know, one of the

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Speaker 2: things I do at Church Project is I'm over part

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Speaker 2: of our prayer ministry, you know, and you know, in

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Speaker 2: our our prayer team, we we never used the phrase

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Speaker 2: if it be your will, because it's it's almost like

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Speaker 2: a trapdoor, and people will go, I don't believe this

667
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: is really going to happen. So if it be your will,

668
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Speaker 2: then you know, it's the It's kind of the Christian.

669
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Speaker 2: Christian equivalent of saying good luck with that. I hope

670
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Speaker 2: that works out for you. We always land on the

671
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: side of light. That Jesus said, my kingdom is a

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Speaker 2: kingdom of light, and I came to overthrow the strong man.

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Speaker 2: Like in Jesus mind, he was clear that his his preaching,

674
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Speaker 2: his performing miracles, his death and la crosse were always

675
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Speaker 2: about defeating the work of the enemy in our life.

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00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: It wasn't like, hope this works out for you, good

677
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: luck with that, you know. Instead, Jesus was clear that

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Speaker 2: he came to fight and overthrow and bring freedom. So

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Speaker 2: for Jesus, his kingdom was a federation. It's a federation

680
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Speaker 2: of light with all the angels that have ben aligned

681
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Speaker 2: under one leader, just as there's a federation of darkness

682
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Speaker 2: with all the head of Satan has the head with

683
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Speaker 2: all his fallen angels aligned with one purpose, which is

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Speaker 2: to destroy whatever God's doing. So for Jesus, it was

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Speaker 2: the kingdom was a federation. It was a fight, and

686
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Speaker 2: he fought at every level. And then he defined the

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Speaker 2: kingdom in terms of freedom that you know, all of

688
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Speaker 2: the stories of Jesus, all the miracles always ended by

689
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Speaker 2: people getting their life back and being put back into

690
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Speaker 2: their right mind, you know. So for Jesus that that

691
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Speaker 2: was the ultimate. The wind for him was my people,

692
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Speaker 2: get free, my people. It may it will be a fight.

693
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Speaker 2: There is a fight involved. It's not pretty, and the

694
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Speaker 2: first responders are out in it every day and they

695
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 2: see the ugliness of it. And you know, man, there

696
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Speaker 2: is a You're in a metaphorical arena and we have

697
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Speaker 2: to fight these forces every day. And so I think

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Speaker 2: one of the things that happens that people tend to think, well,

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Speaker 2: then why isn't this happening. You keep talking about the Cross,

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Speaker 2: and you keep talking about Jesus, you know, you know,

701
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Speaker 2: delivering us and being a liberator. I told you when

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Speaker 2: we started the beginning of the podcast, I wanted to

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Speaker 2: read this verse over here in Daniel Daniel ten thirteen

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Speaker 2: and if the Angel comes to Daniel and he's been

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Speaker 2: praying for deliverance, and verse thirteen of chapter ten, he says,

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Speaker 2: but the Prince of the Kingdom of Persia was withstanding

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Speaker 2: me for twenty one days. So the angel says, I

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Speaker 2: heard your prayer, but I was held up because I

709
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: was fighting this battle. I heard you when you prayed.

710
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Speaker 2: I know what you're facing and feeling and fighting. But

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Speaker 2: this angel says, but the Prince of the Kingdom of

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Speaker 2: Persia was withstanding me for twenty one days. And then

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Speaker 2: behold Michael, one of the chief princes came to help me,

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Speaker 2: and for I had been left there with the King

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Speaker 2: of Persia. So this is one of the Lord's angels saying,

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Speaker 2: I was battling this principality. I heard your prayer, but

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Speaker 2: I was held up for twenty one days. I know

718
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Speaker 2: what you're fighting. So there you know all of our circumstances.

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Speaker 2: There are billions of variables from why a prayer isn't

720
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Speaker 2: answered immediately, it's not just that it's not God's will

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Speaker 2: or it's some sort of intellectual puzzle. Like you had

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Speaker 2: this angel saying, I was fighting this battle and I

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Speaker 2: was held up to getting to where I needed to

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Speaker 2: be to help you out. So that you know, as

725
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Speaker 2: we pray, we can't give up hope. And so you know,

726
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: we pray and we let we leave the circumstances and

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Speaker 2: the results into God's hands, knowing that at any given moment,

728
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Speaker 2: there are there there's this battle field that's taking that's

729
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Speaker 2: going on above us, where there's billions of variables that

730
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Speaker 2: could hold up the answer of a prayer that don't

731
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Speaker 2: include not having enough faith or trying to learn some

732
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: cosmic lesson or any of that. Right there, there is

733
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Speaker 2: a work going on, And this angel says, I was

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Speaker 2: held up. I heard you pray, but but I had

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Speaker 2: to fight through this battle to get to your battle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So like I just want to say to everyone who's

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Speaker 2: in a battle that to not give up, you know,

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Speaker 2: not give up the fight.

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Speaker 1: I love that man, because you know you're speaking truth

741
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Speaker 1: to me, even in this circumstance it's it's hard because

742
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Speaker 1: you know, I want I want to ask you, how

743
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 1: do you wrestle with you know, the sovereignty of God

744
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Speaker 1: and trusting in his Yeah, but also with the belief

745
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: that you can be healed and that that the power

746
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: that rose Jesus from the grave lives inside of me.

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00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: Sickness and illness and death has no hold on that's right.

748
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Speaker 1: So how do we wrestle with this? Like? Because you

749
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Speaker 1: hear this, and I'll be transparent with you, Dave. Yeah,

750
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Speaker 1: I love people praying over me, but when they pray

751
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Speaker 1: the prayer in my sickness right now, if your Lord Lord,

752
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Speaker 1: your will be done, I'm not mad, but I'm like, man,

753
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Speaker 1: let's pray that the will is that I am a

754
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Speaker 1: healed you know, let's pray for that. Is that okay?

755
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Speaker 2: Then yes, it's okay. Like you don't, like I said before,

756
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Speaker 2: you don't want to say if it be your will.

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Speaker 2: Some people are afraid. They're afraid of what if I

758
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 2: pray for Sean and nothing happens, then what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Well, they're given out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're have an out, like as a trapdoor, you know,

761
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Speaker 2: And I could see where that would be irritating for

762
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Speaker 2: you because like they're saying lovingly, it's irritating, you know,

763
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Speaker 2: Like I mean, you still love them, but still like

764
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Speaker 2: I don't let everybody pray for me because I don't

765
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Speaker 2: know where those prayers are been, you know what I'm saying.

766
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: It's like I'm know where those prayers of it. I

767
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: don't know what you believe. I'm not sure I want

768
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: that all like that, you know what I mean? And

769
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Speaker 2: but yeah, so you know, I would say go back

770
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Speaker 2: to Matthew twelve and look at the clarity that Jesus

771
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: speaks about his kingdom. Like there's never a moment where

772
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: Jesus says, you know it says to the devil, you know,

773
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Speaker 2: I technically I can't really you know, cause sickness, but

774
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Speaker 2: I'm going to hire you to do it. Right. There

775
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: was never There's never a moment where Jesus sits down

776
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: with the enemy and goes, listen, what can I do

777
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: to get you to fly some planes into the twin towers?

778
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: I can't really do it, but I can release you

780
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Speaker 2: to do it. Like that's just not that's not a

781
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: biblical understanding of what is happening. Right, all of us,

782
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: everybody has the same ability to actualize one of these

783
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: two kingdoms. So the Kingdom of God has to be

784
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Speaker 2: responded to. Right, This is why I like you know,

785
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: to pray for you or any or anybody's situation. That

786
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: we're asking all of the brokenness to come into alignment

787
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: with what the Spirit of God is doing. We want

788
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: you know, you're asking your you know, the broken body

789
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: parts and the wherever someone's been captured by a diction

790
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: to come into alignment with the work of the spirit.

791
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Speaker 2: So the spirit of the Lord has to be responded to.

792
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: So we have the same oppertunity of two doors. You

793
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 2: have a door of light and a door of darkness,

794
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: and everybody on this earth can actualize what's behind either

795
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: one of those doors. So what happens. The reason why

796
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 2: there's murder and they're suffering, and why kids die and

797
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: they get killed and there's gross rotest acts of war

798
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: is because people have aligned themselves with the Kingdom of

799
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Speaker 2: Darkness and they open that door, and by their choices,

800
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: they actualize darkness onto the earth. You see what I'm saying.

801
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: They align themselves with that agenda and with that kingdom,

802
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: and they made choices in which the innocent get heard

803
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: and kids die, and people get abused because there are

804
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 2: people who align themselves with the will of darkness and

805
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: brought it about by their choices. In the same way,

806
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: we have to align ourselves with the kingdom of light,

807
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: and we say, I'm going to open the door of

808
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 2: the Kingdom of light and let everything that Jesus won

809
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: from me and everything he established on the cross, by

810
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: my choices, by my receiving his kingdom, by me participating

811
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Speaker 2: in the fight. I'm going to open that door of

812
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: light and let the light flood into the dark places

813
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Speaker 2: of my life. So you know, why would God allow

814
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: evil and suffering is not the right question, that's an

815
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 2: intellectual question. The truth is God doesn't allow it because

816
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: Jesus opposes it. He's in direct opposition to it. There

817
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 2: is an enemy that is a will agent that refuses

818
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: to recognize that Jesus is the rightful lord of the

819
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: cosmos and the earth, and no matter what he does,

820
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: the enemy will refuse to recognize. This is why this

821
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: battle goes on until Revelation nineteen, and when the enemy

822
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: is tied up, he rears his head one more time

823
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: before he's finally defeated. Because Satan, the devil, the enemy,

824
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call him, refuses to recognize that

825
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: Jesus is the rightful lord of all of creation, as

826
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: Colossian says, and so he continues to work in opposition

827
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: of it, and people align themselves with that agenda, and

828
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: they bring in war and lack and addiction and doubt

829
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: and despair through their choices. So what do we do.

830
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 2: We have to see ourselves a part of the battle,

831
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: and we have to we have to receive the kingdom,

832
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 2: and we have to participate in what he's doing and

833
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: not let some one say to you, if.

834
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: It be your will, I love that, man. It's really

835
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: speaking just a lot of true, because I've had, you

836
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: know that wrestle a lot of like. No, man, man,

837
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: am I battling against the Lord's will? But I'm like, no,

838
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: The Lord's will is for me to be here, That's right.

839
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: He wants goodness and mercy for me all the days

840
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: of my life, That's right, you know. So how can

841
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: I be battling against his will by praying for healing

842
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: constantly and recovery. I don't feel that I am, But

843
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: some people, I think wrestle with that, and I you know,

844
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: I think even like the story of Job comes to

845
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: mind when people start saying, well, what about Joe. Yeah,

846
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: that's right, you know, so maybe speak speaking well everyone, Yeah,

847
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: everyone says what about Job?

848
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: And like that's been used as a proof text for

849
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: people to believe that God allows evil. You know, they're like, well,

850
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: look at Job. But that's not what Job is about.

851
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 2: The enemy questioning the way that God has organized the world.

852
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: So at the opening of that chapter says to God,

853
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 2: I dispute the way that you organize this world, and

854
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: I believe that people, under the right circumstances would deny you. Like,

855
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 2: the whole conflict in the Job is not about God

856
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: sanctioning evil in the life of a believer or suffering.

857
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: It is about the enemy questioning the way in which

858
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: God has organized his world. The way he's organized He's

859
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: made his free will beings, and so we can actualize

860
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 2: one of those two doors. Right, He's made his free

861
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,479
Speaker 2: will beings. And the enemy says, I think if things

862
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: don't go his way, he won't trust you. And God says, well,

863
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: let's just see, right, let's just see. And so the

864
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: drama that ensues in the Book of Job is about

865
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: all of his friends are wrong. Remember, he gets bad

866
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 2: advice from his wife, he gets bad advised from his friends.

867
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 2: All of their interpretations of what he's going through were

868
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: all misguided. They're like, maybe God's doing this to you,

869
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 2: maybe it's not real. All of their everything they said

870
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: was wrong. And Job keeps trusting himself to the Lord.

871
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: And it finally says when he prayed for his friends,

872
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: he was restored, like he kept his confidence though everything

873
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: around him fell apart. He chose to keep his confidence

874
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: in the Lord. That's what that book is about. Like,

875
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: that's the real you know. I'm sorry for people that

876
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: have heard a lot of bad preaching out of that

877
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: book and they've used it as a proof text to

878
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: make believe that God is doing this to us, to

879
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 2: see how much we can handle. And the tiebreaker, like,

880
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 2: if that is a belief in someone, then the tiebreaker

881
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 2: to that belief has to be the ministry of Jesus. Right,

882
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 2: So we have to read the Book of Job through

883
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 2: the ministry of Jesus. And Jesus didn't never put sickness

884
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 2: on somebody or made someone suffer unjustly to teach them

885
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: a lesson or to get them to be stronger, or

886
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: to get them to understand some cosmic purpose. So the

887
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 2: tie break to understand JOB is we have to read it.

888
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 2: If Job's over here, we have to read it through Matthew, Mark,

889
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: Luke and John and to say, you know, well, this

890
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 2: is what the Son of God did well he was

891
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: on this earth. So Job is about, at the end

892
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 2: of you know, showing the enemy that the way God

893
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,479
Speaker 2: has organized this world with free will beings who would

894
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: trust him even if they suffer. Right, Remember when the

895
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: three Hebrew Children are thrown into the fire, they say,

896
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: you know, God can deliver us, but even if he doesn't,

897
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 2: we're still going to trust him like that. So the

898
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: real impass on that is that it's not about oh,

899
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: he might not come through for us. It is I'm

900
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: going to take the freedom, the power for me to

901
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 2: choose that God's given me, and I'm going to align

902
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: it with the Kingdom of Light, you know. So like

903
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 2: I think that we have to help people get to

904
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 2: a clear to be clear headed about all of this.

905
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: And I would just say to anybody that's watching that

906
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 2: you know that Jesus is a liberator, a life bringer

907
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 2: and a lover right. He loves his people. He always

908
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: he preached and he prayed in order to liberate people

909
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: and to bring life in the midst of darkness. And

910
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: when we read Ephesian six or Matthew twelve, we are

911
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: aligning ourselves with his kingdom.

912
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: That's good, man, I love that. So we've talked a

913
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: little bit about what we can do to stay in

914
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: that posture. You talked about putting, putting on the arm

915
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: or going to work, you know, being in the fight.

916
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: I want to talk about something that's been life giving

917
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: to me and just want to hear your thoughts on it.

918
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: And that's just the power of community.

919
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: Wow, bro, that's right.

920
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, just the power of community and brotherhood. And

921
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, I always say, you know, isolation is the

922
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: devil's playground, you know, men who final and often fall alone,

923
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: you know. And I think I think everybody, every warrior. Everybody,

924
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: and by warrior I mean men, women, like anybody that's

925
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: in the fight. Like we're talking about, this is a fight.

926
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: I think we've clearly established this is the fight and

927
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: probably the fight of your life. And that's right. I

928
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: always say, you know, like using war references or battle references,

929
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: everybody needs a foxhold, buddy, And I'll just shout out

930
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: to my wife. A war what I call a war

931
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: room queen. Yeah, really, good man, just man like, you

932
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: need somebody that is in the fight with you. You

933
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: need people that are in the fight with you to

934
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: hold you up. You know, I say this a lot

935
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: on this podcast. I think I shared this with you earlier,

936
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: especially in this season. You need roof breakers, people that

937
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: are going to take you up to the top of

938
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: the roof, break through it and lower you down to Jesus.

939
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: You need arm raisers. The story of Moses, he's praying

940
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: the Staff of God, his arm starts to combo, and

941
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: the Melachite starts to take the upper hands. Aaron and

942
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: her come over. They scoot a rock, they sit him down,

943
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: they lift his arms up. So you need roof breakers,

944
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: you need you need arm raisers. And if you're lucky

945
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: enough to have a wife, you need a war room queen.

946
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: A woman in my favorite you know, you know, not

947
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: that it's the best Christian movie in the world, but

948
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: the three hundred movie, you know, and Leonidas is about

949
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: the kick that Persian into the big hole. He looks

950
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: over at his wife and she gives him a little nod.

951
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: And a war room queen is just somebody that's powerful

952
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: enough to speak into in the midst of battle, that

953
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: isn't quiet, that isn't you know, pushed off in the corner.

954
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: And that's my wife. Man, she is such a source

955
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: of strength for me in this time. And so just

956
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: talk about the power of community a little bit and

957
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: being in this battle, this spiritual battle.

958
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: Man, Like we're not supposed to fight alone.

959
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: You know.

960
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: One of the terms for the church that the Bible

961
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 2: reverse of the church is as an army. Right, we're

962
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 2: called an army, army of the Lord, which means, you know,

963
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 2: you can't go into this battle alone. Like if you

964
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: try to fight it alone, you get isolated, that you

965
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: get taken out. So every person watching, like, you got

966
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: to have a hell healthy community and like, you know,

967
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: we kind of know what that means. But like just

968
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 2: to clarify, I don't I'm not saying you just got

969
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: to have drinking buddies miserate with. Like you kind of

970
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 2: have some people that love Jesus and that are a

971
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 2: part of a local body, and that you're part of

972
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: a local body, and that they come around you and

973
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: they do the very things you talk about, Like when

974
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 2: my faith's weak and They carry me when I when

975
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: I get battle fatigue, they hold my arms up, you know.

976
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 2: So I would say, don't try to fight it alone.

977
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 2: I just talked to a guy last night who has

978
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 2: been in a deep, long battle with addiction, and I've

979
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 2: talked him off the ledge a few times, you know,

980
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: from giving up and taking his life, you know. And

981
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: he made it because he had a house church, and

982
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 2: he made it because he had a church of people

983
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: that understood that life is a battle and we're all

984
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 2: going to join forces. You're right, You've got to have

985
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 2: somebody in the foxhole with you that will be next

986
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 2: to you. And like you know, three hundred is a

987
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 2: great film about spiritual warfare, like you know, because they're battling,

988
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: you know, you know, the great King and and but

989
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 2: those three hundred withstood all of the forces of darkness

990
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: and pushed all of it back together. So when it

991
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 2: comes to a fight, you can do more fighting alongside

992
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: somebody than you can on your own. So I would say,

993
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 2: don't try to do it by yourself. And we may

994
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 2: have you know, I know, we got first responders that

995
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 2: are out there, and you know, the power of a team,

996
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: the power of a rescue team the power a fire squad,

997
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: you know. But the same thing is true with church, right,

998
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: you got to have you've got to have some people,

999
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 2: and you've got to be a part of a local

1000
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 2: body that will come around you when you can't fight

1001
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: on your own, you know. So there's a lot to

1002
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: be said for you know, I have one of those

1003
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 2: war room a quaintans too. I got an acquaint life,

1004
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: you know when I when I get beat down and

1005
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: get through and I get exhausted, you know, like she's

1006
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 2: there with the right prayer. She always says a verse,

1007
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 2: you know. And I have a house church, like, I

1008
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: got people I've done life with and that I know

1009
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: I can sit down with and go, I don't know

1010
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: how much fight I got left in me, And they'll

1011
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 2: come around and go, well, then we'll fight with you, right,

1012
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 2: We'll fight alongside of you, you know. So you this

1013
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: is why even Jesus didn't do it by himself. He

1014
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: took twelve guys with him, you know. He had a

1015
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: community of people that were in the battle with him.

1016
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so cool man. I would not have survived this,

1017
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: this trial that I'm still in the midst of without

1018
00:56:52,480 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: without that community. And I think it's imperative tobody who

1019
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 1: wants to yeah, win the fight. You know, you gotta

1020
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: have a body. You got to be a part of

1021
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: a body of believers.

1022
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, But yeah, I would say anybody's watching. If

1023
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 2: you don't have a church, you got to find one, absolutely,

1024
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, come to our church, come to church project.

1025
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, don't even watch online, if that's right. Awesome,

1026
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: good stuff, Dave Man. As we kind of close here,

1027
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: I want to highlight a couple of things that we

1028
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: talked about here on March Dye. We talked about perspective, adaptability, perseverance,

1029
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: and action. So the perspective that we're talking about is

1030
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: you got to recognize the battle. We talked about that

1031
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: this is a real thing. This is not something that

1032
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: is metaphorical. This is real and we see it played

1033
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: out in the Book of Truth. Adaptability, you got to

1034
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: use the right weapons. We talked about that, putting on

1035
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: the arm, right, being in your daily word, praying to

1036
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: the Lord, how to pray. We talked about how to

1037
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: pray and with the authority of prayer that we get

1038
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: to have that's superpower for and really life giving to me. Perseverance.

1039
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: You've talked a lot about not quitting. Man, Like, you

1040
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: gotta stay in a fight, Like when it gets intense,

1041
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta persevere. You gotta keep fighting, right man,

1042
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: And then action you got. You just gotta you gotta

1043
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: move forward. You gotta stand firmed, you gotta you gotta

1044
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: step forward.

1045
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I wish I knew the duration of

1046
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 2: a battle, you know, I wish I knew. I wish

1047
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 2: I could tell people like when it's going to be over,

1048
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 2: But we don't, you know, so that like you got

1049
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: to keep you got to keep fighting. I got to

1050
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 2: keep fighting. Yeah, and I can't you know that. I

1051
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 2: would say, don't relapse into trying to explain your suffering,

1052
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: but let Jesus do his work to expel it. Right,

1053
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: don't explain it, but expel it.

1054
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: I love that, you know, that's good man. Last question,

1055
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: if there's somebody listened today and they're feeling just spiritually

1056
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: tired and just battle warn what's the first step. Well,

1057
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: we talked about some steps, right, but what's the first

1058
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: thing that they do?

1059
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 2: Well, the first, the very first step is you've got

1060
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 2: to make sure that you actually have surrendered your life

1061
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 2: to Christ. You can't fight a battle that if your

1062
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: heart doesn't fully belong to Jesus. So, like I would

1063
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 2: say to everyone is watching, has there been a moment

1064
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: that you have given your life to Christ where you

1065
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: said I'm a sinner, Jesus is a savior. I'm gonna

1066
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: I want him to save me, and that you've given

1067
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: him access to your whole life. I mean it's you know,

1068
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: Jesus is not just for the battle, He's for every

1069
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 2: every day, every all the details. So I would say,

1070
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 2: you got to make sure that you actually have given

1071
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 2: your life to Christ and knowing your heart that you've

1072
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Speaker 2: done it, And then I would I would say, you know,

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Speaker 2: you've got to be a part of a body of

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Speaker 2: believers that that got your back, you know, don't try

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00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: to go this alone. And if your battle weary. You know,

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00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 2: when Elijah was battle weary, you know, uh, and he

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00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: ran from Jezebel, you know, the Angel of the Lord

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00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: had him take a nap and eat you know, like

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01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 2: that was a solution. Was if your battle weary and

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01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 2: you're like, man, I don't know if I can do

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01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 2: this much longer. You might just need to take an

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01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: app and get some rest and eat well and let

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01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 2: your mind and your body, rest up from the battle,

1084
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 2: like God knows what we need and the battle. You know,

1085
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: it's hard to do it twenty four seven months and

1086
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 2: you're in and you're out. At some point you have

1087
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,439
Speaker 2: to say, I gotta I gotta have some I gotta

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01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 2: have some time. I've got to disengage from this.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: I know it's going to be there when I get back.

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Speaker 2: So that's what I would say. If you're a believer

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01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 2: in your battle, weary, it's not a sign of defeat.

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01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: It just means you've given it your all, like you've

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01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 2: been in there slugging it out, and you've got to

1095
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 2: have some rests. You got to have take care of

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01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 2: your health. You need to have some input. Make sure

1097
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: that you're you know, listening to podcasts like this, reading scripture.

1098
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 2: You've got to have some good streams of life that

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01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 2: flow in into you to keep you ready for the battle.

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Speaker 2: And I would say, go back to Ephesian six and

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01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 2: pray that armor on you. I'd work, I just walk

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01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: through it pieces of the time and just pray it up,

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01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 2: you know, because he says that so that you'll be

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01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: having done all this, you'll be able to stand you know,

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01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 2: you're like, I feel like I'm I've been knocked to

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01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 2: my knees right now.

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Speaker 1: But thank God, God's giving me the armor and.

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01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 2: A shield and a sword, and you got to pray

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01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: that stuff back on you and at some time to

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Speaker 2: get back in the fight.

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Speaker 1: I love that, man, that's good.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: One of the most powerful things about giving your life

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01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: to Christ is we're all fighting for victory. But when

1115
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: what we realize is when we give our life to Christ,

1116
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: we're actually not fighting for victory. We're fighting from victory.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate because victory already been one, you know, and

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Speaker 1: so that's been life given for me in this time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just like I am fighting for victory, but through Christ,

1121
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: I get the fight from victory. Yeah, And I get

1122
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: to a fight knowing that the battle is already one

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Speaker 1: and that the power as I keep saying, that that

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Speaker 1: lives in Jesus, that rose Jesus from the dead, lives

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Speaker 1: in me, same spirit lives in me. And so that's

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Speaker 1: powerful stuff. Man. So man, a lot here. We could

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Speaker 1: probably keep going, but we'll do another one.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, there's a lot of stuff to exhaust when

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01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 2: it comes to evil and suffering and the war that

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Speaker 2: we're in and all that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, definitely, guys, thank you for watching the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Remember you're not a victim, you're not alone, you're not powerless.

1133
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: But this is a battle and it's real. But if

1134
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: you stay in the fight, victory is yours because the

1135
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: victory has already been one. So remember, when bullets are

1136
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 1: flying you stand on the X, all you have to

1137
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: do is march forward. Don't stay where you are and die.

1138
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: Move forward every step of the way. Make sure you

1139
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: subscribe to the show, check us out, stay in tune.

1140
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Speaker 1: We got a lot of cool stuff coming. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you guys next time.