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Speaker 2: delighted to welcome to the podcast Laura McDonald. She is

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. I not think of the DAR

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Speaker 3: Sure? Sure, well, thank you for having me, mister Desusa. First,

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Speaker 2: All right, So this is almost the definition of a

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Speaker 2: on now for a couple of years. So when did

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00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: it start and how did it start?

431
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Speaker 3: Well, we've been knowing about it for a couple of years.

432
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: We've been told that it started, maybe even as early

433
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 3: as twenty twelve, We're not really sure. But I came

434
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Speaker 3: upon the knowledge because, as a member of the DAR,

435
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 3: I was going to give a presentation to our local

436
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 3: rotary club about breeves across America, which is something that

437
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 3: we participated in. And whenever I was preparing my speech

438
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: for that, I was going to make a joke and

439
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: tell the men in the audience, sorry, fellas, DR's just

440
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: for the ladies. As soon as I had that thought,

441
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: the person that came to my mind was Rachel Levine,

442
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 3: the former Health Secretary. I thought, what are we going

443
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 3: to do when Rachel Levine decides he wants to join

444
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: the DAR, And so I immediately went to my mother,

445
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 3: who is our current chapter regent. This is back in

446
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, So she wasn't at that point, but

447
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 3: she said, I'm afraid it's already happening, and so she

448
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 3: told me that earlier in that year, there was an

449
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 3: amendment to the national bylaws at our annual meeting that

450
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: added additional anti discrimination language. So the bylaws already had

451
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Speaker 3: anti discrimination language there, but they went and added these

452
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Speaker 3: other things that said we cannot discriminate based on raised religion,

453
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Speaker 3: sexual orientation, and then one key phrase, which was any

454
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Speaker 3: other characteristic protected by applicable law. And so there was

455
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Speaker 3: a lot of confusion about what does that mean. So

456
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: during that debate at Continental Congress, the President General was

457
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 3: explicitly asked, does this mean that we cannot vote against

458
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 3: men who have an amended birth certificate? And the answer

459
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Speaker 3: was no, you cannot. If you're voting against a man

460
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: who has a amended birth certificate that says he's a female,

461
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 3: you can't do that. That's discrimination. So there's a lot

462
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 3: of confusion around when and how it started. But when

463
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 3: we talk about that and we say that that opened

464
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 3: the door for this, we're told by our state and

465
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: national officers that that bilog and then it had no

466
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Speaker 3: connection to gender identity. So then when we can see

467
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: that and say, okay, maybe it did, maybe it didn't.

468
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: But nonetheless, we know that men who self identifies women

469
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 3: are eligible for membership, So let's vote on that. Let's

470
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 3: have a debate and discussion on that. They tell us no, no,

471
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: that was already decided at that Continental Congress. So they

472
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: talk out of both sides of their mouth on this issue.

473
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: So I don't know when it actually started, but that's

474
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Speaker 3: what really brought it to light. And since then, the

475
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 3: former President General admitted in a message to the members

476
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Speaker 3: that men are eligible for membership. She calls them trans women.

477
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Speaker 3: So that has been confirmed. We know that there are

478
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Speaker 3: currently men who are members of the DAR.

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Speaker 2: Just to be to try to hone in on what

480
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: exactly is going on here. Is this the case that

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Speaker 2: the leadership of the organization is politically left wing and

482
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,479
Speaker 2: supportive of Tran's ideology and is therefore at odds with

483
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: the general tone of the members or option two? Is

484
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: it that these are basically bureaucratic people who are afraid

485
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Speaker 2: of controversy and lawsuits. It's not that they personally support

486
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Speaker 2: the trinds. They probably wish that they weren't. That the

487
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: situation wouldn't arise at all, but they're not willing to

488
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Speaker 2: confront it. Is it A or is it B? Or

489
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: a little of both.

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Speaker 3: It's a little of both. You've nailed it perfectly. So

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Speaker 3: when I first found out about this, I wasn't sure

492
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: if it was mostly B where it's just we don't

493
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: want to deal with this and let's just go along

494
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: to get along. We don't want the five, which I

495
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: still don't agree with that, but I wasn't sure if

496
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: that was the mindset. It wasn't until I confirmed the

497
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 3: veracity of a document that was internally circulated between state

498
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: and national officers. It's called as an FAQ that the

499
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 3: former President General put out to answer frequently asked questions

500
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: about this topic, and one of the questions was if

501
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: trans women are eligible for membership, then are men eligible

502
00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 3: for membership? And the answer given was no, because trans

503
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: women are not men. Trans women live and identify as women.

504
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: So once I saw that document and confirm the veracity

505
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Speaker 3: of it that it actually did come from the former

506
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: President General, I knew that that is that's an ideological statement.

507
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: If you're doing it because you think if you're allowing

508
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: these members because you think we must do it because

509
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: maybe we'll lose our nonprofit tax stats, and we don't

510
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 3: want to fight. That's one thing. But to put out

511
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 3: a document to tell members that trans women are not

512
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: men proves and shows that this isn't it's ideologically driven. Now,

513
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: do I think every single person at the top is

514
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: ideologically driven?

515
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: No?

516
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: I think there's a relatively few that are. But then

517
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: you've got to the other category of what you're talking about,

518
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 3: which is they just don't want to fight it. They

519
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: just want to go along to get along.

520
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Speaker 2: So what you seem to be saying is that there's

521
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: some maybe in each camp, in each camp, but they

522
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: come together because the result is the same in both cases.

523
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: They're like, now, I'm sure that the leadership is aware

524
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: that they are out of step with the members, because

525
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: if they thought that the members were on board, they

526
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: would agree to a vote. They'd say, all right, well

527
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: let's put it up to a vote, and people are

528
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: going to express their views. But it sounds to me

529
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: like they are they recognize that this is an organization

530
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 2: that is traditional, it is conservative, and so if they

531
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: have a vote, they're likely to get crushed.

532
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 3: Exactly that's exactly right. And that's what we've said from

533
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: the get go. If this is a good thing, if

534
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 3: the DR is proud of this stance of being inclusive

535
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: and welcoming of trans women, then why not make it known?

536
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: Why not post that on the website? Why not publicize

537
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 3: that everywhere? They don't do that because they know it's

538
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 3: not popular, and they, I do believe they know that

539
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: if it were to be brought to the floor for

540
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: a vote, that it would be voted against, that the

541
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: membership the Assembly would vote to exclude or continue to

542
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: exclude men. We've excluded men since our founding. But when

543
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: it's framed in the right way and they understand what

544
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: they're voting on, they know, and we know that the

545
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: membership would vote to keep the DAR a women's only organization.

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Speaker 2: What to me is really sad about all this is that,

547
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: you know, we've kind of been here before, And by

548
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Speaker 2: that I mean, I think, for example, organizations like the

549
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: Boy Scouts, which seemed to be very traditional and in

550
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: fact a great incubator of you know, outdoor activities, building

551
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: strengths and character. It was a really good boys organization,

552
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: and then it got sort of ruined and destroyed over

553
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: exactly this kind of issue. I mean, obviously it wasn't

554
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: specifically the trans issue it was. It had to do

555
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: with home sexuality and a lot of other things. But

556
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about is the outcome was a crippling

557
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: of the organization. And it seems like, not only is

558
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 2: that something that is possible here, I wonder if it's

559
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: some in some perverse way, if that is even the goal,

560
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 2: if in other words, activists like to identify these conservative

561
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 2: organizations and bring them to their knees or knock them

562
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: down exactly.

563
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: And that's been my fear and to touch on that.

564
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 3: Whenever I first found out about this, and I was

565
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: talking with a fellow member who is very in the

566
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: know with DAR, been in much longer than me. She

567
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: was taking the mindset of, you really think that there's,

568
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: you know, an agenda. Do you really think that these

569
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: men are going to, you know, try to join the

570
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: DAR or The answer was sadly, yes, I do. I

571
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 3: do believe that because I understand what's going on in

572
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: the culture. I understand that there is an agenda to

573
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 3: see iconic American cultural institution brought down, infiltrated and to

574
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: change them. And I told her and I believe it,

575
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: to mark my words that if we don't fix this,

576
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: there will be a man that is President General before

577
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: it's all said and done. That's the goal, is to

578
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 3: undermine and to destroy what we have built, things that

579
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 3: are built on truth and beauty and the historic record.

580
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 3: That's what I believe is going on here.

581
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: What is the way out of this in your opinion

582
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: as of now, because it seems like you've got the

583
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: kind of unhappy situation that you've got a leadership that

584
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: thinks that they are pretty secure in their leadership. They're like,

585
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: we're gonna we're going to fight this. We're going to

586
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: resist the pressure of the members. Even if we can't

587
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: defend what we're doing, will claim that we have to

588
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: stay in conformity with the law. So it's like a

589
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: done deal of FATA compley. So just kind of grin

590
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 2: and Barrett, you don't want to go in and beartt

591
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: What can you do?

592
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: Okay, right now, we have a call for a special

593
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 3: meeting that's been published. So our national bilaws say that

594
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 3: at the request of thirty chapters in ten states, the

595
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: President General shall call a special meeting. So up to

596
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: this point, every attempt we've made to rectify this situation

597
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 3: has been quashed by the National Board of Management. I've

598
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: been calling them gatekeepers because they won't let it come

599
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 3: to a vote. Well, we figured out that we can

600
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: go around them if we get thirty chapters in ten

601
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: states to sign on to this call for the special meeting.

602
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 3: So if they will go to members, we'll go to

603
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 3: Daughters Advocating for Restoration blog. There's a roadmap of how

604
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: they can present this to their chapter to sign on

605
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: to the call. So right now we're at twelve chapters.

606
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 3: We publish the call at the end of November, so

607
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: it just within two to three weeks we've already had

608
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 3: twelve chapters signed on to that. We're almost at fifty

609
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 3: percent of what we need, so I do feel like

610
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: we're going to meet that goal. But we can't just

611
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: go to sleep on this. We've got to get the

612
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 3: word out to members to let them know that they

613
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: have a voice. And at this special meeting, we're going

614
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: to vote on a resolution that will define a woman,

615
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 3: that will interpret the meaning of a woman in our bilaws.

616
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 3: So since we can amend our bylaws, Okay, well, here's

617
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: a resolution that the Assembly says This is how we

618
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: interpret the workwoman in those bilaws, and it's very plain

619
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: what it says. It says that men who have an

620
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 3: amended birth certificate are not eligible for membership. So it

621
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: will be a reckoning, it will be Once we have

622
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: the vote, there will be nowhere for anybody to hide.

623
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 3: Everybody will know what they're voting on.

624
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 2: Well, Laura, I want to commend you on the stuff

625
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: you're doing, because you know so often we are in

626
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: these organizations, these kinds of things happen. People are either

627
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 2: do apathetic, or they look the other way, or they

628
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 2: shrug their shoulders. So it's really important to step up

629
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: and make this kind of a challenge. I certainly hope

630
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 2: you succeed, but whether you do or not, this kind

631
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,479
Speaker 2: of fight has got to occur all the way through

632
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 2: the culture. And I think you're rightly identifying this as

633
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: an iconic target. If this wasn't an old, traditional all

634
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: American patriotic institution, they wouldn't be going after you. And

635
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: I suspect that some of the people who are trying

636
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: to become members don't even care about the organization and

637
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: don't even care about being members per se. What they

638
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: want to do is make an example, and they want

639
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 2: to prove a point, and you need to prove your point. So, guys,

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Speaker 2: I've been talking to Laura McDonald, member of the dar

641
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 2: By the Way, the website Daughters Advocating Restoration dot org

642
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: and there's also a gifts and go where you can contribute.

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00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: Lor Thank you very much for joining me.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, mister Things.

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Speaker 2: We are in the section of my book Life After Death.

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Speaker 2: The evidence we're talking about biology, and what we're trying

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Speaker 2: to show in this chapter is that there is built

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Speaker 2: into nature a kind of developmental pattern that is moving

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Speaker 2: from the material to the non material, or to put

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Speaker 2: it differently, that is moving from matter to consciousness, because

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Speaker 2: consciousness is something that is non material. And that's important

652
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Speaker 2: because we're asking the question, can consciousness, in whatever form,

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Speaker 2: survive death. That's the question.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about the peculiar way in which our universe

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Speaker 2: is designed that is sometimes called the anthropic principle, but

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Speaker 2: also the unique way in which our planet i e.

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Speaker 2: The Earth, is designed, and that is the anthropic principle

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Speaker 2: as applied to biology. The Earth has very special qualities

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Speaker 2: and what I want to do is focus on a

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Speaker 2: few of them. To show how uniquely adapted they are

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Speaker 2: to life. If these properties were different, then life couldn't

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Speaker 2: exist on Earth. We are sort of tailor made, you

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Speaker 2: could say, for this planet. And the evidence for this

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Speaker 2: is overwhelming, but it's not something we normally think about

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Speaker 2: or pay attention to. So it's worth getting an idea

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Speaker 2: of what I'm saying here, because what I'm getting at

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Speaker 2: here is that nature itself is not random. Nature exhibits

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Speaker 2: important characteristics and patterns and built in structures. And again

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Speaker 2: it's tempting to say, and this is something skeptics will say, well, well,

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Speaker 2: let's evolution. Haven't you heard of evolution. I've heard of evolution.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about things that did not evolve. That's the

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Speaker 2: key point. None of what I'm talking about evolved. So

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Speaker 2: let's start by talking about the fact that human beings

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Speaker 2: can live only within a certain kind of temperature range. Right.

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Speaker 2: We normally say, well, it's really hot, it's going to

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Speaker 2: be one hundred and two degrees, or it's really cold,

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Speaker 2: it's like, you know, it's seven degrees or it's minus

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Speaker 2: seven degrees. Well, all right, let's create a temperature range

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Speaker 2: of let's say, forty degrees below zero. To about one

681
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty degrees above zero. That's our temperature range.

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Speaker 2: We cannot live on a planet where the temperature is

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Speaker 2: not in that range. And all over the Earth the

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Speaker 2: temperatures are in that range, which is to say that

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Speaker 2: if you take something like the Sun, which happens to

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Speaker 2: be eight light minutes away from the Earth, we're closer

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Speaker 2: we would bake. If the Sun were further we would freeze.

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Speaker 2: Mars is, for example, further away than Earth, and temperature

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Speaker 2: at Mars can go to two hundred degrees below zero.

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Speaker 2: Can't exactly live, at least not without some kind of

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Speaker 2: regulated temperature in Mars elon Musk. I'm sure as thinking

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Speaker 2: about that problem. But that is a problem. So what

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Speaker 2: that means is that our planet is just where it

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Speaker 2: ought to be. In order for us to be here,

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Speaker 2: the planet couldn't be located elsewhere, so to speak, because

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Speaker 2: the temperatures wouldn't be right. And those temperatures, by the way,

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Speaker 2: have not quote evolved, They're not the product of any

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Speaker 2: kind of Darwinian evolution. All right, let's talk about the moon.

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Speaker 2: The moon, many of you know, well we all know,

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Speaker 2: is responsible for the tides, the gravity, the gravitational force

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Speaker 2: of the Moon. And by the way, also the Sun

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Speaker 2: produces the tides. But the Moon actually also plays a

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Speaker 2: critical role in the Earth having a certain m tilt.

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Speaker 2: So the Earth is round, but it's round and tilted.

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Speaker 2: It's at a twenty three degree tilt. Now, interestingly, it

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Speaker 2: has to be at that tilt. If the Earth was

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Speaker 2: not at that tilt, there would be sharp fluctuations of

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Speaker 2: the climate. It would make food production very difficult, it

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Speaker 2: would make human life much more difficult. But the tilt

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Speaker 2: is just right. It is a very interesting quirk that

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Speaker 2: our planet is tilted in the right way. The planet

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Speaker 2: Jupiter happens to be a giant planet. It's in our

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Speaker 2: galaxy and it serves a remarkable function, and that is

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Speaker 2: to say, it has a massive gravitational force. And over many,

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Speaker 2: many millions of years, there are comets and meteorites that

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Speaker 2: are headed to Earth. But guess what, They're diverted by

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Speaker 2: the gravitational force of Jupiter. They don't land here because

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Speaker 2: Jupiter in a way pulls them away. So isn't this

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Speaker 2: amazing Jupiter, which again didn't evolve. Jupiter was part of

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Speaker 2: the part of the explosion of the stars that began

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Speaker 2: really with the Big Bang. Jupiter plays a kind of

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Speaker 2: necessary vacuuming function of steering away objects that would otherwise

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Speaker 2: hit the Earth. Now most people know, you know that

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Speaker 2: the Earth is mostly made up of water, and our

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Speaker 2: bodies also are mostly made up of water. And as

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Speaker 2: it turns out, water is absolutely fundamental for human existence.

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Speaker 2: And water has all kinds of very odd qualities that

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Speaker 2: are not typical of other substances, and yet it has

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Speaker 2: to have those qualities otherwise we wouldn't really be here. Notice,

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Speaker 2: for example, that with most other substances, if they can

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Speaker 2: exist in a solid and a liquid form, the solid

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Speaker 2: form is going to be heavier than the liquid form,

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Speaker 2: so that if you put a solid by and large,

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Speaker 2: it's going to drop to the bottom. That's fairly normal

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Speaker 2: with substances. It has to do with their properties of

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Speaker 2: expansion and contraction. But by the way, that's not true

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Speaker 2: of water. Ice is actually lighter than water. In other words,

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Speaker 2: the same amount of water made into ice actually weighs

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Speaker 2: less as ice than it would weigh as water. And

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Speaker 2: as I say, that's kind of unique. Why why is

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Speaker 2: that important? Well, it's important because if it wasn't that way,

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Speaker 2: the lakes and the oceans would all freeze. Why, we'll

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Speaker 2: think about it like this. During the winter, the surface

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Speaker 2: layer of the ocean begins to freeze, and the surface

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Speaker 2: layer of lakes begin to freeze. Think of a lake,

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Speaker 2: So the top layer is starting to become hard, it's

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Speaker 2: becoming ice. Now, if this ice were to go to

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Speaker 2: the bottom of the lake, then the next top layer

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Speaker 2: would also freeze and it would sink down to the bottom,

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Speaker 2: and so the lake would become a sediment of solid

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Speaker 2: ice all the way down, and it would permanently stay frozen,

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Speaker 2: particularly if the temperature remained cool, or even if it didn't,

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Speaker 2: the warming would begin at the top and the bottom

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Speaker 2: would remain solidly frozen. But ice isn't like that. What

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Speaker 2: happens is that the top layer freezes and it stays

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Speaker 2: on the top. So when the temperature warms, that ice

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Speaker 2: then dissolves and it's back to water again. So in

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Speaker 2: other words, we don't have to worry about permanently frozen

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Speaker 2: lakes and oceans. Why because of this peculiar quality of water.

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Speaker 2: I want to quote the biologist Michael Denton. He goes quote,

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Speaker 2: water is uniquely and ideally adapted to serve as the

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Speaker 2: fluid medium for life on Earth, not just one or many,

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Speaker 2: but every single one of its known properties. Without those properties,

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Speaker 2: I guess what I'm trying to say is, we wouldn't

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Speaker 2: any of us be here. And again, you know, evolution

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Speaker 2: has nothing to do with any of this, no one.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about the conditions that have existed on Earth

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Speaker 2: very often for hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of years,

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Speaker 2: and these conditions didn't quote evolve. In fact, they are

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Speaker 2: necessary to make evolution itself possible. And finally, I want

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Speaker 2: to say a couple of words about the human cell. Now, again,

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Speaker 2: human cells do not evolve. Human cells are the way

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Speaker 2: they are. They are a finished product. And in fact,

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Speaker 2: when Darwin confronted the issue of the cell, each shrugged

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Speaker 2: his shoulders. He didn't know what to make of it.

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Speaker 2: He cannot answer the question how did we get a cell?

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Speaker 2: All that Darwin said is, given the fact that we

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Speaker 2: have some forms of life, I'm going to try to

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Speaker 2: show you how they could evolve into other forms of life.

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Speaker 2: But if you asked him how did we get life?

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Speaker 2: How do we get a cell? The basic uth of life?

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Speaker 2: Darwin's answer is I have no answer In other words,

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Speaker 2: this basic template of life has to be there at

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Speaker 2: the beginning, and without it, no evolution is even possible.

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Speaker 2: So let's look at the cell. The cell is, as

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Speaker 2: it turns out, functions really as two things at the

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Speaker 2: same time, And each of the two things is remarkable,

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Speaker 2: but putting them together it is incredible. So the first

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Speaker 2: thing is a cell functions like a factory. I'm quoting

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Speaker 2: from the biologist of Franklin Herald. Even the simplest cell

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Speaker 2: is an exceedingly complex mixture containing thousands of different molecules.

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Speaker 2: These cells display levels of regularity and complexity that exceed

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Speaker 2: by orders of magnitude any non living object in nature. Quote,

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Speaker 2: the cell's molecular machinery works in an intricate way that

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Speaker 2: suggests a unity of function or purpose. Cell components as

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Speaker 2: we know them are so thoroughly integrated that one can

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Speaker 2: scarcely imagine how any one function could have arisen in

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Speaker 2: the absence of others. This is sort of like a

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Speaker 2: fully functioning factory. Cells breakdown foodstuffs, extract energy, manufacture precursors,

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Speaker 2: assemble constituents, note and execute genetic instructions, and keep all

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Speaker 2: this frantic activity coordinated the cell is already there. It

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Speaker 2: functions like a factory. And here's the other thing. Not

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Speaker 2: only does the cell function as a manufacturing plant, it

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Speaker 2: also functions as a digital software program of unrivaled complexity.

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Speaker 2: So the information in a single cell. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: the cell is so small it is it can be

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Speaker 2: likened to a speck of dust, and yet inside of

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Speaker 2: that speck of dust you have information equivalent to one

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Speaker 2: hundred encyclopedias. The processing power of the cell is comparable

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Speaker 2: to any existing supercomputer. And not only that, but the

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Speaker 2: cell has the ability to copy itself. One biologist somewhat

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Speaker 2: humorously said, the dream of every cell is to become

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Speaker 2: two cells. And so think about this, because clever as

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Speaker 2: we are as human beings, we don't know how to

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Speaker 2: make a cell. In fact, the greatest achievements of mankind,

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Speaker 2: of all of human civilization, don't compare with the creative

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Speaker 2: and technical ingenuity built into every living cell. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we don't even know how to make a hammer that

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Speaker 2: can work all by itself, and let's say produce little hammers.

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Speaker 2: I mean, leave aside the idea that we don't know

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Speaker 2: how to make even a bee or a house fly.

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Speaker 2: So in nature, you have bees, you have house lies,

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Speaker 2: countless other creatures. They all function autonomously and they reproduce

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Speaker 2: themselves with prodigious for kundity. So what we're getting at

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Speaker 2: here develop this point tomorrow is that we're seeing that

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Speaker 2: nature itself exhibits a built in pattern. I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: show not only that nature suggests a patterner or designer.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of obvious, but I'm also saying that the

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Speaker 2: pattern itself is kind of showing us that nature is directional.

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Speaker 2: It's going in a certain arrow, and where is that

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Speaker 2: errow going. That's what we need to find out, because

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Speaker 2: that's what we'll tell us something important about life after death.

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