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Speaker 2: All right, welcome everybody. It is August eleventh. Blake's got
Speaker 2: my mic flag again, y REFI Studios in Phoenix, Arizona again.
Speaker 3: Andrew broad and Remote again, andrews mic flag.
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, you enjoy You enjoy it for the rest
Speaker 2: of this week, and you've earned it. You're holding it down.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Blake. We've got this crazy story about
Speaker 2: the President. We're gonna get into it in the next segment. Okay.
Speaker 2: I think it's really important about him being moved into
Speaker 2: a catering cart and using the press as decoy. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of intrigue in this, and I think it's
Speaker 2: really fascinating. But I have to spike the football. We
Speaker 2: have to say we called this. These clips are coming
Speaker 2: out one by one that are essentially proving us right.
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is last week, you
Speaker 2: and I had a conversation about lower elites. Okay, we
Speaker 2: talked about the danger of lower elites. In many ways,
Speaker 2: the French Revolution was led by lower elites. The Bolshevik
Speaker 2: Revolution a little more complicated, but also a lot of
Speaker 2: the energy, the force behind it led by lower elites.
Speaker 2: The rise of DSA is led by lower elites. And
Speaker 2: what do I mean by that? And Blake is very
Speaker 2: proficient on this topic. But these are highly educated or
Speaker 2: at least credential. I'm not saying they're wise, but they've
Speaker 2: gone to school and checked the box and got the
Speaker 2: piece of paper. Low performing, lesser nobles. If you're going
Speaker 2: to use the French Revolution or Bolshevik Revolution vernacular. They
Speaker 2: believe they should be entitled to more Blake, more wealth,
Speaker 2: more power, more influence, more prestige. They want to feel important.
Speaker 2: This is why they got the piece of paper. We
Speaker 2: told at least we're at least probably three generations in
Speaker 2: now Blake. We have told young people just go to college,
Speaker 2: get the degree, study sociology and communications, and you will
Speaker 2: be rich, you will be successful, everything will work out
Speaker 2: for you. And then it turns out, guess what, there's
Speaker 2: something called inflation, oh, the rise of AI. Oh. Actually
Speaker 2: we've deluded the value of a credential piece of paper.
Speaker 2: So now because too many people are going to college,
Speaker 2: this is why call it. Charlie said college in the scams.
Speaker 2: So we have all these over educated, smart, stupid people
Speaker 2: that are actually behind the rise of DSA and I'll
Speaker 2: play one clip and I'll get your reaction. On this
Speaker 2: other side, Blake, this is DSA CoA chair Megan Romer.
Speaker 2: She's admitting that her political organization is composed of downwardly mobile,
Speaker 2: disproportionately educated lower elites as we would call them, so
Speaker 2: not too What else did you learn about the PTB?
Speaker 4: Their goals, their theory of change, and.
Speaker 5: You know, any obstacles that they've kind of come across
Speaker 5: they're open about.
Speaker 6: You know, it's like we have the problem. It's sort
Speaker 6: of downwardly mobile, disproportionally educated compared to the general population,
Speaker 6: dispersonally white, disproportion you know, so similar.
Speaker 2: Like you were the one that turned me on to
Speaker 2: this idea, and I think I think you articulate it brilliantly.
Speaker 2: Why is a disgruntled, embittered, highly educated, downwardly mobile lower
Speaker 2: elite so dangerous and so radicalized in this current moment?
Speaker 3: Well, certainly, why are they dangerous? A lot of it
Speaker 3: is specifically the ideas they marinate in. So as you said,
Speaker 3: they're highly educated, They've gone through our school system, which
Speaker 3: very much loves to inclicate radical ideas, a lot of
Speaker 3: them really embrace them specifically because of often that downward
Speaker 3: mobility aspect to it. A lot of them may be thought,
Speaker 3: if I absolutely maximally commit to this ideology that anti America,
Speaker 3: anti white people, maybe I will be rewarded for it,
Speaker 3: And instead they often weren't.
Speaker 2: They were Usually they.
Speaker 3: Instead ends up stuck in some dead end job. They're
Speaker 3: an adjunct faculty member making thirty five thousand dollars a
Speaker 3: year and that's never going to change. Or they're temporarily
Speaker 3: getting a barista job and that turns out that becomes
Speaker 3: a much more permanent thing. They're temporary work doing a
Speaker 3: delivery driving that becomes more long. When we say lower elite,
Speaker 3: it almost might be better to say aspiring elite, or someone
Speaker 3: who feels they should be in a higher position. And
Speaker 3: one thing that makes them dangerous is they're usually at
Speaker 3: least pretty good box checkers that they're the people who
Speaker 3: are able to They're good at organizing, they're good at
Speaker 3: checking boxes. They're good at getting politically involved. They're good
Speaker 3: at articulating ideas and proposing policies. That doesn't mean those
Speaker 3: policies are good. They're often insanely destructive, but they have
Speaker 3: more of this capacity to actually affect political change than
Speaker 3: just someone who's checked out, a guy who works as
Speaker 3: a handy man in Middle America and doesn't really pay
Speaker 3: attention to politics that much. They have much more compat
Speaker 3: They feel invested in how America operates, and when they're unhappy,
Speaker 3: when they're downwardly mobile, they're much more invested in potentially
Speaker 3: blowing the whole thing up. And we talked about how
Speaker 3: a lot of revolutions come from that. America has more
Speaker 3: people who feel that they deserve to be high end
Speaker 3: government officials, university professors, big art popular artists, or show
Speaker 3: business people. We have more people who feel they should
Speaker 3: be that, who want to be that, than aren't capable
Speaker 3: of being that, and that's creating a lot of resentment,
Speaker 3: a lot of anger. And when you couple that with
Speaker 3: the way that they've all been educated in radical ideas,
Speaker 3: that creates a lot of danger. We mentioned other revolutions
Speaker 3: came from people like that. The American Revolution was one
Speaker 3: elite replacing another. They threw out a lot of the
Speaker 3: British connected elite. They had this native colonial elite take
Speaker 3: over the country. And it was great because they had
Speaker 3: good ideas, they had good values, they cared about the
Speaker 3: people of the country, and they wanted the country to
Speaker 3: do well, and so we thrived. When you have people
Speaker 3: who despise a lot of the country, as a lot
Speaker 3: of our lower elites plainly do, our aspiring elites plainly do.
Speaker 3: Are imported foreign would be elites plainly do. When you
Speaker 3: have people who hate America's historical values, hate America's historical people,
Speaker 3: are often very mentally unwell themselves. A lot of dangerous
Speaker 3: cropping up. And we're seeing that now with these DSA
Speaker 3: candidates who just are openly talking about their psychotic breaks
Speaker 3: that they've had in the past, their desire to abolish
Speaker 3: American holidays, as Hassan Piker was the other day, his
Speaker 3: desire to impoverish the American middle class, very resentment driven
Speaker 3: individuals that we're working with here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's their capacity for resentment and to act
Speaker 2: upon that resentment is going to be greater then, right.
Speaker 2: And here's we have another clip that proves this point.
Speaker 2: Is this DSA's Francis Gill talking about this tot eighteen.
Speaker 7: Do Alsayed's victory in the Democratic primary in the Senate
Speaker 7: in Michigan. Of the fifteen counties where a majority do
Speaker 7: not have a college degree.
Speaker 8: He lost every one of them over.
Speaker 7: Fifteen In the counties with high education like you, he won.
Speaker 7: So how can you say you're for the working class
Speaker 7: when working class counties in Detroit and elsewhere voted against
Speaker 7: your candidate.
Speaker 9: People who are highly educated in this country were promised
Speaker 9: this path of economic success. But really what we're seeing
Speaker 9: is that there's this huge downward mobility problem because our society,
Speaker 9: the skills are so tipped in one direction to benefit
Speaker 9: the rich and the wealthy.
Speaker 2: You see that of all the people Blake that should
Speaker 2: be getting ahead, it's her, it's her fellow lower elites.
Speaker 2: They went to school, they did the thing, they got educated,
Speaker 2: and even they are having downward mobility issues. And therefore
Speaker 2: the system is rigged and it must be brought down.
Speaker 2: And we're going to make sure that all of those
Speaker 2: working class people that we claim to represent understand that
Speaker 2: we're the philosopher kings that know better than them, and
Speaker 2: we're going to lead them to the promised land. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of peoples to burn down around it.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who think they should deserve
Speaker 3: to run America because they stayed in school a long
Speaker 3: time and got a lot of degrees, and we should
Speaker 3: be very afraid of those people.
Speaker 2: All right, Blake. So we got this crazy story, okay,
Speaker 2: where apparently it's contradicting public statements. Trump took a secret
Speaker 2: flight from Turkey amid an Iranian threat. So the White
Speaker 2: House said the President was a board Air Force one
Speaker 2: but as he was leaving this NATO summit in Turkey,
Speaker 2: instead his departure included an elaborate ruse that concealed his
Speaker 2: travel and it included a catering cart, which is it's
Speaker 2: a crazy story, but it kind of underscores just how
Speaker 2: serious the threat is against President Trump. I mean, we
Speaker 2: documented ten different times where he's been nearly like an
Speaker 2: attempted assassination or documented threat against his life, and we
Speaker 2: knew there had to have been more, and there turns
Speaker 2: out there is. There's up to five different places where
Speaker 2: he's been hidden in the course of just traveling about.
Speaker 2: And this is the latest one from the Washington Post.
Speaker 3: President Trump. It's like he's so heavily hated. He they've
Speaker 3: whipped up this frenzy about him for years on end
Speaker 3: at this point that we had to endure obviously the
Speaker 3: fascist Nazi stuff. So they've stoked endless hostility to him domestically,
Speaker 3: and then now internationally we have to worry about these
Speaker 3: things as well, that he does face a lot of danger.
Speaker 3: He is this like, honestly, I just think about what
Speaker 3: a dramatic historical figure he is and how it makes
Speaker 3: it if you feel like there's a lot of I
Speaker 3: don't want to say that the and of God specifically,
Speaker 3: though of course God's hand is on everything, but it's
Speaker 3: just the way it's like, man, I am like totally
Speaker 3: losing my ability to articulate this, but it's just the
Speaker 3: world sort of seems to evolve around at all times.
Speaker 2: It does. And now he's at the top of the
Speaker 2: hit list with the Iranians, and I have to play
Speaker 2: this clip because CNN's really upset about this, and you'll
Speaker 2: never guess why top fifteen.
Speaker 10: It's all I think this very elaborate a shell game
Speaker 10: that the Secret Service in the White House orchestrated. Doesn't
Speaker 10: necessarily match with the explanation that the President put out
Speaker 10: at the time for this switch and aircraft between the
Speaker 10: Cutter donated Air Force one, which is that black and
Speaker 10: red plane, and the.
Speaker 4: Legacy Air Force one.
Speaker 10: He said at the time that he wanted to show
Speaker 10: it off to troops who are positioned in the UK.
Speaker 10: Now we understand that it is these threats from Iran
Speaker 10: that led to this switch it all. I think also
Speaker 10: led to the people who actually did fly on the
Speaker 10: blue and white plane, you know, reporters and staff, to
Speaker 10: become unwitting decoys in this ruse.
Speaker 2: The reporters, Yeah, the reporters were at risk. Well, I mean,
Speaker 2: and you know there's a clip of him later on
Speaker 2: the plane where he's saying, you know, listen, I'm at
Speaker 2: the top of the hit list for the Iranians. And
Speaker 2: that means if this is a dangerous flight, you're on
Speaker 2: a dangerous flight too. I do think that's important for
Speaker 2: journalists to realize that, you know, there is a threat
Speaker 2: when you we travel abroad with the president. All right,
Speaker 2: so we'll just we'll keep playing these clips. I think
Speaker 2: it's a fascinating story and it's a look inside what's happening.
Speaker 2: I do want to show this catering cart that apparently
Speaker 2: he was one sixty two. This is the catering truck
Speaker 2: that an image of it as it's servicing Air Force one.
Speaker 2: It's it appears that he was led into one of
Speaker 2: these catering trucks that kind of comes up to the
Speaker 2: side of the vehicle or of the of the plane
Speaker 2: that is. I mean, but let's just actually these images
Speaker 2: are fascinating. I mean, with April twenty nine, twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: go ahead, I mean, we should just be glad.
Speaker 3: It's so good that he did that the McDonald's photo
Speaker 3: op in twenty twenty four. He was training himself up
Speaker 3: to be involved in You know, he's a natural. I'm
Speaker 3: sure people are making have tried to make fun of him,
Speaker 3: but I think President Trump he strikes me as a
Speaker 3: natural be like, yep, we're gonna we're gonna go riding
Speaker 3: this catering truck. Like he's very specifically because he's so
Speaker 3: confident in himself, he's so good at adapting to all
Speaker 3: of these different environments. I find the visual very interesting
Speaker 3: and funny.
Speaker 2: Well, the Newsweek had this story about five different places, yes,
Speaker 2: strange places Donald Trump is hidden. So in April twenty nine,
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, Trump hid in the highest regency near the
Speaker 2: San Francisco Airport. That's one sixty three, So that's one
Speaker 2: place he's hit. September fifteenth, twenty twenty four, Trump hid
Speaker 2: in an armored golf cart. One sixty six. You can
Speaker 2: throw that up. So there's the armored golf cart. In
Speaker 2: November of twenty sixteen, Trump hit in the twenty one
Speaker 2: Club in Manhattan. One sixty seven. Throw that up it
Speaker 2: and it's an old speakeasy by the way. May twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: Trump hid in a bunker beneath the White House, and
Speaker 2: that's one sixty five. You can you can see that image.
Speaker 2: So it's it's all very fascinating to think of all
Speaker 2: the elaborate ploys that President Trump has had to engage
Speaker 2: in and the Secret Service have had to engage in
Speaker 2: to keep him alive. And it's terrifying. Actually, right you
Speaker 2: think of Butler, We were, you know, a couple centimeters
Speaker 2: away from who knows what terrible things could have happened
Speaker 2: here you go.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 2: This is Scott Jenning's I think, expressing what a lot
Speaker 2: of us feel about this story SOT fourteen.
Speaker 12: It sounds to me like the threat was unusual. I mean,
Speaker 12: it sounds like this was a very very serious threat
Speaker 12: to the President's safety. And when you consider that he's
Speaker 12: already survived a numerous assassination attempts or people at least
Speaker 12: thinking about assassinating him, and you consider the region that
Speaker 12: he was in.
Speaker 2: I'm glad they engaged in.
Speaker 12: All this cloak and dagger and all this deception to
Speaker 12: keep him safe. I fear for him and what might
Speaker 12: happen to him every single day. And you know, this
Speaker 12: story raised up the hairs on the back of my
Speaker 12: neck when you consider how they had to move him around.
Speaker 12: But I'm glad they did it, and I'm glad they
Speaker 12: got him back to the United States safely. I'm glad
Speaker 12: he was at the meeting over there by the way.
Speaker 12: It was important for the American President to be there.
Speaker 12: But you can only imagine, and David knows this, the
Speaker 12: level of threat and the level of alarm that would
Speaker 12: have been required to set up this kind of deception
Speaker 12: must have been extremely heavy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And at him, it shows the catering cart that
Speaker 2: the president was stowed away in to keep him safe.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just fascinated that. I'm just fascinated that
Speaker 3: there's an armored golf cart. I find that amazing and
Speaker 3: I kind of want one.
Speaker 2: Now. Well, I'm sure you could get your hands on
Speaker 2: one if you had enough money and where with all
Speaker 2: Blake so we'll check that out. And thankfully the Iranians
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Speaker 2: MacIntyre who's a great thinker, columnist, and obviously he has
Speaker 2: this show which I listened to as much as I
Speaker 2: possibly can because he's smart and we like smart people.
Speaker 2: Or great to have you back on the show. I
Speaker 2: want to start with this tweet because it's stuff that's
Speaker 2: percolating in and you can feel it rising. Okay, this
Speaker 2: is Chang jank Wiger from The Young Turks I've met
Speaker 2: I've met him before, came to one of our events.
Speaker 2: He says, if Republicans think they're going to beat Abdul
Speaker 2: Lsayed by just pointing out that he's Muslim, I got
Speaker 2: bad news for them. We already know that not going
Speaker 2: to work with independence. Being Muslim helps these days because
Speaker 2: it's a sign that you're not going to sell out
Speaker 2: to Israel. And the reason I bring this up is
Speaker 2: sure Chenk is a is a far left guy, and
Speaker 2: you know, maybe we should expect him to say something
Speaker 2: like this, but you have felt this. I guess there's
Speaker 2: a bubbling up, this percolating of pro Muslim sentiment, even
Speaker 2: from voices you wouldn't necessarily expect it from, And I
Speaker 2: do believe most of it is coming from a hatred
Speaker 2: of Israel, anti Semitism, feeling like the Iran War was
Speaker 2: a product of Israel's influence. But we need to sort
Speaker 2: of brass taxes and explain that just because you might
Speaker 2: hold skepticism or animosity towards Israel or something, that does
Speaker 2: not mean that we want to import millions of Muslims.
Speaker 2: And I want you to come on this show because
Speaker 2: you're one of the few voices out there that seems
Speaker 2: to have kept their head, is willing to sort of
Speaker 2: level fair critiques against Israel, but also understands the threat
Speaker 2: that Islam poses. The floor is yours, aren't.
Speaker 4: I think you're right.
Speaker 13: I think this is incredibly important. Look, as you said,
Speaker 13: I'm more than happy to point out the problems that
Speaker 13: I have with our current relationship with Israel. I think
Speaker 13: they're real, and they're valid, and they need to be addressed.
Speaker 13: But that does not mean that the enemy of my
Speaker 13: enemy is now suddenly my friend and that all of
Speaker 13: a sudden, I should be joining up with people who
Speaker 13: ultimately seek my destruction. Look, Islam has no place in
Speaker 13: the West.
Speaker 4: It does not respect anything about Christianity.
Speaker 13: It hates Christianity, it hates the West, it hates our values,
Speaker 13: and it is incompatible with being in the United States.
Speaker 13: We simply should not have any Muslims in the United States.
Speaker 13: We should end immigration by Muslims to the United States immediately,
Speaker 13: and we should work to denaturalize as many as possible.
Speaker 13: There's simply no reason that we should be building mosques
Speaker 13: or entire Muslim towns in the state of Texas. They
Speaker 13: do not belong here, and we should not hesitate to
Speaker 13: say that. However, there is a counterpoint to this, which
Speaker 13: is a lot of people find it very con convenient
Speaker 13: to silence criticism of Israel by saying, well, if you
Speaker 13: do believe anything like that, you must then be allied
Speaker 13: with Muslims. You must want hoards of Muslims to come
Speaker 13: into the US. You're ultimately a trader because you know
Speaker 13: hating Israel is your only driving cause. This works both ways.
Speaker 13: If you push people to the extreme, if you tell
Speaker 13: people that opposing a bad relationship with Israel in the
Speaker 13: United States puts you on the side of Islam. Then eventually,
Speaker 13: if the situation gets bad enough, some people will believe
Speaker 13: that and they will go that way. For the same reason,
Speaker 13: if you tell people acknowledging that there is more crime
Speaker 13: in black communities makes you a racist, and then at
Speaker 13: some point people are gonna be like, well, maybe I'm
Speaker 13: just a racist.
Speaker 4: This is not the language you want.
Speaker 13: You don't want to corner people and put them in
Speaker 13: this position because some people will choose incorrectly. I think
Speaker 13: it's a bad decision, but you can't be surprised if
Speaker 13: you only offer people two options when they choose one
Speaker 13: of the ones that you forced on them.
Speaker 2: I think that's so well said orin I really do,
Speaker 2: and I've told Blake this one hundred percent of a
Speaker 2: bunch the the people on the internet that give me
Speaker 2: the most positive sentiment towards Israel are the really low
Speaker 2: IQ anti Israel slop you know, spergs. We call them
Speaker 2: juice bergs. Okay, I don't want to participate in anything
Speaker 2: like that. I get cornered, but I have legitimate critiques
Speaker 2: of our current situation with Israel. I think that's fair.
Speaker 2: It's a foreign government. I'm America. I'm American. I'm America first,
Speaker 2: and I'm allowed to do that as an American. But
Speaker 2: when you corner me, it makes me want to defend them.
Speaker 2: And the same can go either way, and I think
Speaker 2: we're seeing that play out in this Islam dialogue, which
Speaker 2: you know Charlie. I take the position that Charlie always
Speaker 2: took that it is incompatible with the West, and there
Speaker 2: is a difference between micro and macro. You can meet
Speaker 2: very nice Muslims and that is not you know, it's
Speaker 2: not a condemnation of every Muslim you're going to meet.
Speaker 2: It's what is our proper posture towards immigration immigration from
Speaker 2: Muslim countries? And I will posit this question one more
Speaker 2: time to the people that are prone to defend Muslims.
Speaker 2: There is roughly fifty Muslim majority countries in the world.
Speaker 2: Why are they moving to the Western nations. It's not
Speaker 2: because they're drawn to our freedoms or something like that. No,
Speaker 2: they have a long term plan to take over Western
Speaker 2: nations like America, like the UK. Blake. You know this firsthand.
Speaker 2: You travel with Charlie to London and you guys were
Speaker 2: shocked at what you saw there absolutely.
Speaker 3: I just remember we're in one of the richest neighborhoods
Speaker 3: in London and there's Arabic writing on the store windows. That's,
Speaker 3: of course because Arab sheikhs loved to travel to London
Speaker 3: to shop. We went into the hotel I was staying at.
Speaker 3: I think a third, maybe more, of the TV's channels
Speaker 3: were actually various Middle Eastern TV channels. I saw Spiro
Speaker 3: the Dragon in Arabic, which was rather funny. I will say,
Speaker 3: but or one thing I'm wondering is what do you
Speaker 3: think drives this the most? Because I can understand people saying, oh,
Speaker 3: if any criticism of our relationship with Israel means you
Speaker 3: love Islam, and some react that way. But I think
Speaker 3: another factor here, frankly, is just I'm not sure how
Speaker 3: to make it. I feel like there's a lot of
Speaker 3: people who just organically they're trending towards Islam. I think
Speaker 3: there's some people who have this idea Islam is more masculine,
Speaker 3: it's less it's us cucked as they would say. They
Speaker 3: like that, like Andrew tait Ethos of being really macho.
Speaker 3: Anythink Islam supplies that. I feel there's a lot of
Speaker 3: people who just organically are going towards Islam just because
Speaker 3: they like it, and I think that is probably worth
Speaker 3: calling out. I don't like it when it's just this
Speaker 3: is entirely happening because like anyone says, I'm doing this
Speaker 3: because you attacked me and drove me towards them. I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people are just organically letting themselves
Speaker 3: be pulled toward this.
Speaker 4: I mean that's possible.
Speaker 13: Honestly, I don't have a lot of conversations with people
Speaker 13: who are in any way interested in Islam or think
Speaker 13: that it's gonna be, you know, something that's good for
Speaker 13: the United States. I'm sure it's out there, but organically
Speaker 13: I just never run into it my day to day.
Speaker 13: There is something to be said, you know, to quote
Speaker 13: sadly a Muslim here. You know, sometimes when people see
Speaker 13: a strong horse, they follow the strong horse.
Speaker 4: And if people look.
Speaker 13: At Islam and they see it ascend it, they see
Speaker 13: it conquering, they see it confident in its culture. Some
Speaker 13: people say, well, Barry have something that we're lacking, and
Speaker 13: so I'm going to follow the strong horse.
Speaker 4: I think it's a mistake, but that's a possibility.
Speaker 13: I think the bigger truth here is ultimately that as
Speaker 13: controversial as this statement sometimes is, politics is about friend
Speaker 13: and enemy, and it depends where you draw your friend distinction.
Speaker 13: If you're drawing your friend distinction around support or opposition
Speaker 13: to Israel, it's going to put you in really weird places.
Speaker 13: If your friend coalition isn't entirely in support of Israel,
Speaker 13: you're going to find yourself allying with gross neo cons
Speaker 13: to fight pointless wars that destroy the United States. If
Speaker 13: your entire friend coalition is drawn against Israel, you're gonna
Speaker 13: find yourself allying with Hassan Piker and idiots like that,
Speaker 13: people who are dangerous and want to destroy the United States,
Speaker 13: who explicitly say that they want to destroy the white
Speaker 13: middle class in the United States.
Speaker 4: These people are your blood enemies. They're not your allies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's play the clip because this just surface. This
Speaker 2: is a San Piker saying what you just said. Loves
Speaker 2: the idea of impoverishing the white middle class. Not three
Speaker 2: men Dommy's aid.
Speaker 14: His top aid see a Weaver said, if you don't
Speaker 14: believe in the government's sacred right to seize property.
Speaker 2: It's over and impoverish the white middle class. Beast Mode.
Speaker 2: I love her so much, biast Mode, you know, and listen.
Speaker 2: I was tempted to say, and I think I did
Speaker 2: say it that you know, they're guiding ideology is just
Speaker 2: hating white people. Right, But then then this clip surface today,
Speaker 2: it's not twenty one what black people care about?
Speaker 4: Oh, black people care about this. Black people care about that.
Speaker 13: Like, shut the fuck up, that's not how politics works.
Speaker 5: Well back to a better time when lynchings were happening.
Speaker 5: This is what I like as a black man. Are
Speaker 5: you always doing too much with black people? Leave them alone?
Speaker 5: I want to go back to lynching, Like, I get it,
Speaker 5: but relax, man, shut the up. Okay, you got me, Okay,
Speaker 5: you got me, because I'm off racist person.
Speaker 2: So really, what motivates these people? Yeah, they hate white people,
Speaker 2: but they hate anybody that's getting in the way of
Speaker 2: the rise of communism of the DSA to called DSA,
Speaker 2: but it's really communism. They hate anything that stands in
Speaker 2: their way. This is like third world tribalism. This is
Speaker 2: what America has avoided for our whole history until this moment. Orn.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think this is just evidence of him trying
Speaker 13: to shove black people off of the progressive stack, where
Speaker 13: we're the new people who should be ascended. We're the
Speaker 13: people who should be the center of identity politics because
Speaker 13: as you say, ultimately, yeah, it is communism at some level,
Speaker 13: but the communism is just ideological window dressing four tribal politics.
Speaker 4: People who look like me, who.
Speaker 13: Come from where I come from, they're the ones who
Speaker 13: should be on top, whether it's in the Progressive coalition
Speaker 13: or anywhere else. And again, this is why we should
Speaker 13: not draw our friend enemy distinction across Israel in either direction.
Speaker 4: It should be.
Speaker 13: What's good for America. So if a relationship with Israel
Speaker 13: is good for America, then we do it. And if
Speaker 13: it's bad for America, we reject it. And we don't
Speaker 13: get called anything other than patriot. When we do what's
Speaker 13: right for America, and when we reject Islam and send
Speaker 13: it packing exactly where it belongs, we do that unified
Speaker 13: because it's best for the United States. And that's the
Speaker 13: only thing that should ever drive any of our decisions
Speaker 13: when it comes to politics.
Speaker 1: What recommendations do you have for Republicans, you know, heading
Speaker 1: intimate chairms right now, for.
Speaker 11: All the one thing is we have jihadis being elected
Speaker 11: all over the place. These are people that have been
Speaker 11: not successful. They are people that have been in many
Speaker 11: cases spanues. They come from other failed countries and they
Speaker 11: come here and they tell us how to run our country.
Speaker 15: Thank you, Donald Trump for continuing to talk about me,
Speaker 15: for keeping me at the top of your mind. I
Speaker 15: think what he's afraid of is that I'm not afraid
Speaker 15: of him, and he knows it. So, you know, people
Speaker 15: like that have a sense of people who are willing
Speaker 15: to stand up to him, which is why he's trying
Speaker 15: to preempt to. Now, So Donnie, if you're watching, I've
Speaker 15: got bigger hands than you, I've got a better agenda
Speaker 15: than you. I'm anna beat your guy, and I'm looking
Speaker 15: forward to reminding you of that for two years when
Speaker 15: I'm in the US of it.
Speaker 2: Or it raises the question back to the jank tweet.
Speaker 2: Is it a losing strategy to just call out the
Speaker 2: fact that they're Muslims? What do we have to do
Speaker 2: to beat them? Especially Lsied and this Senate race.
Speaker 13: Well, I do think that ultimately Islam is not overall
Speaker 13: popular in the United States, that I think Chenk is
Speaker 13: doing a little bit of wish casting there. However, I
Speaker 13: gotta say it's not through any effort of the Republicans
Speaker 13: that that's the case. Remember that after nine to eleven,
Speaker 13: plenty of Republicans rubber stamped importing as many Muslims as
Speaker 13: we could so we could all show that we weren't Islamophobic.
Speaker 4: It was George W.
Speaker 13: Bush who pushed the idea that Islam was a religion
Speaker 13: of peace. So congratulations that propaganda worked. The Republicans manufactured
Speaker 13: exactly the situation that they're crying about. As always that said,
Speaker 13: we do have to be honest about something here, which
Speaker 13: is that Israel is unpopular even with people who don't
Speaker 13: like Islam. And so when he says, well, at least
Speaker 13: being Muslim shows that you're not going to be on
Speaker 13: the side of Israel better for worse, there is some
Speaker 13: truth to that, and the Republicans got to deal with that.
Speaker 4: The right really has to deal with this fact.
Speaker 13: Israel is not popular and it's not getting any more popular,
Speaker 13: and that is going to continue to be the trend
Speaker 13: line going forward. If you lash yourselves to Israel and
Speaker 13: the cause of Israel in the United States, that's going
Speaker 13: to be an electoral loser moving forward, no matter what happens,
Speaker 13: and you can say that's anti Semitism. You can attack
Speaker 13: people and call them all the ugly names you want,
Speaker 13: but people simply don't want to go to war in
Speaker 13: Iran because Israel once part of Lebanon.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, but hold on urn like the problem here,
Speaker 3: these people will not actually be satisfied if we just
Speaker 3: get out of the wars. It's very clear if you
Speaker 3: look at their podcasts, every single episode is about Israel.
Speaker 3: They endlessly talk about them. They force it into every
Speaker 3: unrelated issue that has nothing to do with the war. Like,
Speaker 3: isn't it kind of fair to say that, like they're
Speaker 3: obsessed with They were obsessed with Israel before the Iran
Speaker 3: war started. These people, I think they just they do
Speaker 3: fixate on this because they actually have an obsession with it.
Speaker 3: It's not actually a byproduct of any war that we're
Speaker 3: involved in. Even if that stuff doesn't help.
Speaker 13: Well, I got to say, I think that that's obviously
Speaker 13: true of a subset, right, Like there are very clearly
Speaker 13: people with a track record of this being of their obsession.
Speaker 13: I think there very is obviously an anti Israel, you know,
Speaker 13: basically like an industry going on at the moment. A
Speaker 13: lot of people getting a lot of clicks in views
Speaker 13: because of that. However, that the existence of that reality
Speaker 13: doesn't therefore erase the fact that a lot of people
Speaker 13: just organically do not like the fruits of our.
Speaker 4: Current relationship with Israel.
Speaker 13: That doesn't mean the people who are ultimately leaning into
Speaker 13: anti Semitism or trying to drive a lot of hatred
Speaker 13: are doing the right thing by any means. It doesn't
Speaker 13: mean that they're you know, consistent hatred is somehow justified
Speaker 13: by current events. But the point is the point, you know,
Speaker 13: we can't, as we've talked about when it comes to
Speaker 13: the price of burritos, you can't sit there and brate
Speaker 13: the American people for saying, hey, you know, my bills
Speaker 13: are too high and then say, well, you're just too
Speaker 13: poor and stupid.
Speaker 4: You don't understand.
Speaker 13: If people look at the relationship with is and say
Speaker 13: this is unhealthy and we shouldn't be involved with it.
Speaker 13: If you turn around electure and say well that just
Speaker 13: means you hate Jews and you're just like these people
Speaker 13: who are profiting off it, well that's going to go
Speaker 13: over electorally exactly the same way they're telling people they
Speaker 13: don't need to worry about the price.
Speaker 4: Of gas or milk will go well.
Speaker 3: But or the reason I push back on that is,
Speaker 3: I think it's very obvious a lot of people who
Speaker 3: at least aspire to be pretty mainstream voices in American
Speaker 3: politics clearly do hate Jews, and like I think, I
Speaker 3: just I find it a little frustrating if the take
Speaker 3: is this has only happened because they were pushed into it,
Speaker 3: when if they were doing it before any of the
Speaker 3: wars in question, and they'll clearly be doing it anyway.
Speaker 3: But bigger picture, you were mentioning that a lot of
Speaker 3: people favor Islam because it has this strong horse element.
Speaker 3: We see this in the UK where there's a lot
Speaker 3: of like there's like British people who are converting to Islam.
Speaker 3: It's popular for the lower classes to do that. Do
Speaker 3: you think it's heavily from organic appeal or do you
Speaker 3: think it's kind of like they get into it because
Speaker 3: we actually have this elite class that coddles.
Speaker 2: Them through everything.
Speaker 3: They get to come in as refugees, they it's difficult
Speaker 3: to deport them. They get to create their little fiefdoms
Speaker 3: where the law doesn't apply, and this gives people the
Speaker 3: impression Wow, they're strong and dynamic, when it's really more
Speaker 3: like they're a plaything of George W. Bush types globalist
Speaker 3: types who love having their pet Muslim immigrants in the
Speaker 3: country and thus let them get away with whatever they want.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think there's nothing new about people ultimately looking
Speaker 13: for a position somewhere.
Speaker 4: In the progressive stack, and if.
Speaker 13: Islam ultimately lends that to Lim along with the advantages
Speaker 13: of kind of that tribal advantage, then I think, yes,
Speaker 13: that those things do stack up in a way that
Speaker 13: a lot of people became trans because it gave them
Speaker 13: some special identity, and all of a sudden, the normal
Speaker 13: white guy who was rejected from everything now has this
Speaker 13: amazing shield against all criticism and a advancement plan to
Speaker 13: the top of the you know, the hierarchy. The same
Speaker 13: thing could be true of Islam, especially if it continues
Speaker 13: to gain this kind of community power, because they're allowed
Speaker 13: to organize in a way that Native Americans or Native
Speaker 13: UK Brits are not allowed to do.
Speaker 9: So.
Speaker 13: I think the preferential treatment is certainly an aspect, but
Speaker 13: I just want to remind people again, just to reiterate
Speaker 13: on this. There are, of course people who are pushing
Speaker 13: the anti Israel thing for their own advantage. Who really
Speaker 13: did hate Israel or Jewish people in general before all
Speaker 13: of this started. That's real, that's valid. I'm not arguing
Speaker 13: against that. That said, you cannot take that and then
Speaker 13: dismiss the general feeling in the United States that.
Speaker 4: The relationship with Israel is deleterious.
Speaker 13: These things might be connected at some level, but they
Speaker 13: are separate, and blaming one entirely on the other ultimately
Speaker 13: leads us to bad political analysis. Even if we don't
Speaker 13: like the reality on the ground, we need to stay
Speaker 13: aligned with reality and make arguments that push in the
Speaker 13: direction of winning on those issues. We shouldn't be blinded
Speaker 13: by the we remy not like any given personality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or I mean, I'm with you in the sense
Speaker 2: that it's kind of like the Buriedo debate. It's like,
Speaker 2: you could be mad that prices are higher, but you
Speaker 2: have to be honest with your voters about what they're
Speaker 2: actually their lived experiences. And I think there's no question
Speaker 2: that the Iran War conflict, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 2: has exacerbated some of those tensions, some of those feelings
Speaker 2: of anti Israel sentiment. We don't have to agree with them,
Speaker 2: we don't have to love it. But you know, I
Speaker 2: think there needs to be voices like ours, and we
Speaker 2: try and be this on the show, and I know
Speaker 2: you try and beat it be as well or in
Speaker 2: where you're acknowledging a reality, a political reality, but you're
Speaker 2: also trying to carve out a third way, which says,
Speaker 2: we don't hate Jews because they're Jews. We are allowed
Speaker 2: to have political differences with Israel if our interests are
Speaker 2: not aligned, and that's okay, but you can do one
Speaker 2: without the other. And I think just being a sane,
Speaker 2: you know, voice in this space is so critically important
Speaker 2: in this moment, but we have to acknowledge the political
Speaker 2: realities as well. Oron McIntyre host the oron McIntyre Show,
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us today.
Speaker 4: Thanks guys, appreciate it.
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Speaker 14: Inflation has deccelerated a lot. There was a lot of
Speaker 14: job creation under Joe Biden, but a huge chuck of
Speaker 14: it was an increase in government workers. The number of
Speaker 14: federal government workers rose to three million, the highest odd
Speaker 14: record by the time President Trump took office. We've cut
Speaker 14: that by ten percent already. But when you hire all
Speaker 14: these government workers and pay them salaries and ask them
Speaker 14: to do whatever it is they're doing. Then that's a
Speaker 14: demand side stimulus, the kind of thing that causes inflation.
Speaker 2: That's right. Kevin Hassett, director of the White House National
Speaker 2: Economic Council, is joining us now, and he's like, mister optimism,
Speaker 2: all right. So when you want to know what is
Speaker 2: working and what the Trump administration is doing that's actually
Speaker 2: having profound to economic impacts, Kevin is the guy to
Speaker 2: bring on. So I was like, I gotta get Kevin
Speaker 2: back on. So it's good to see you, sir, Thank
Speaker 2: you for joining us. I want to have like a
Speaker 2: good news segment here about the economy. I know there
Speaker 2: are headwinds. I know there are issues when it comes
Speaker 2: to the price of you know, at the pomp and
Speaker 2: things like that. But give us you know, you're gonna
Speaker 2: have the floor for this whole time, Kevin, if you
Speaker 2: want it. But I want to know what you're looking
Speaker 2: at in the economy that's having profound impacts and if
Speaker 2: we keep stacking these wins together will actually experience some
Speaker 2: really great things. We got to stay the course, though,
Speaker 2: So what are you looking at right now? Right?
Speaker 14: You know it's great to be back on the show,
Speaker 14: by the way, and you know, with you guys, you're
Speaker 14: doing such a great job. You know, before we go
Speaker 14: into all the amazing things that we can talk about,
Speaker 14: one of the things that you might have noticed when
Speaker 14: you're watching the TV clips like the Sunday shows I
Speaker 14: was on this weekend, is that the left likes to
Speaker 14: sort of box conservatives with the following rhetoric. They'll say, hey,
Speaker 14: you know, we're looking at the survey of how Americans
Speaker 14: feel about the economy, and they're as depressed about the
Speaker 14: state of the economy as they've ever been. In fact,
Speaker 14: if you look at the Michigan survey of consumer sentiment,
Speaker 14: it's the lowest sentiment on record. And we can talk about,
Speaker 14: you know, what's wrong with the survey or anything, maybe
Speaker 14: if you care, but the bottom line is then they say,
Speaker 14: if I start to say something, well, well there's this
Speaker 14: good news about this, there's this good news about that,
Speaker 14: then they'll say, you know, you're just out of touch.
Speaker 14: You don't care what the people think. What is wrong
Speaker 14: with you? And so by setting it up, characterizing the
Speaker 14: conversation with a setup that American people are not seeing it,
Speaker 14: So what is wrong with you to even talk about
Speaker 14: the good things that it makes it so that you're
Speaker 14: tempted not to talk about the good things because it
Speaker 14: makes you look insensitive.
Speaker 2: And it's just.
Speaker 14: Interesting that that logical trick is something that all the
Speaker 14: like leet left media people are playing whenever I go
Speaker 14: on TV lately, because there's been some surveys that say
Speaker 14: that Americans are really upset about the economy.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: Of course, you.
Speaker 14: Know, we feel the pain at the gas pump, and
Speaker 14: we understand beat prices are high, and we're sensitive to
Speaker 14: wanting every American to have a healthy, fulfilling life. Uh,
Speaker 14: But they're trying to make it so we can't talk
Speaker 14: about the good stuff. And so it's a real great
Speaker 14: opportunity to be here to talk about all the good stuff.
Speaker 14: And I think that the headline thing that we're looking
Speaker 14: at is just, uh, you know, new factory construction. Uh
Speaker 14: the right now, the new factory construction is historically.
Speaker 2: High in the US. UH.
Speaker 14: And it's happening because of stuff of the big beautiful
Speaker 14: bill that's working. Remember we expensed uh factory construction, even
Speaker 14: the buildings.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 14: It's happening because President Trump's trade policy has made people
Speaker 14: think oh, I got to move the stuff on shore.
Speaker 14: But if you go back to at the end of
Speaker 14: the Biden administration, then the typical number for construction for
Speaker 14: non residential buildings, the job support was negative. So we
Speaker 14: were hemorrhaging construction jobs. Since President Trump took office, we've
Speaker 14: gained about one hundred thousand jobs of construction workers who
Speaker 14: are building factories, which is extremely unprecedented. And so when
Speaker 14: you think about how the economy is doing, then understand
Speaker 14: that there's an investment boom going on that's unlike anything
Speaker 14: that we've ever seen. And what that means is that
Speaker 14: as we go into the second half of the year,
Speaker 14: then they're going to put the machines into those buildings,
Speaker 14: They're going to plug the machines in, they're going to
Speaker 14: hire workers to run the machines. And there's no way
Speaker 14: that that can be a bad news story. The one
Speaker 14: thing that people talk about that they do say is
Speaker 14: a bad news story. But I want to talk about
Speaker 14: just talked about a little bit on that clip, is
Speaker 14: that because President Trump has secured the border and he's
Speaker 14: also reduced government workers by a lot, then you know,
Speaker 14: basically the number of jobs you need to keep the
Speaker 14: economy on a positive trajectory is lower than it was
Speaker 14: under Biden because he let twenty million illegals in and
Speaker 14: they were all getting Social Security never so they could work.
Speaker 14: And so the jobs that were created out of Biden
Speaker 14: were illegals and government workers, and both of those have
Speaker 14: gone down a lot under President Trump. And so when
Speaker 14: people say, oh, it feels like it's a really bad economy,
Speaker 14: the truth is it's a bad economy for federal government workers.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 14: It's a bad economy for illegals who don't have jobs anymore.
Speaker 14: But for everybody else, most of the news is really
Speaker 14: positive and good.
Speaker 3: I feel more optimistic already. You're really right, Andrew, this
Speaker 3: guy is mister optimism. But there is such a key
Speaker 3: thing there, and we were talking about this with Secretary
Speaker 3: Scott Bessant the other day as well, that it's almost
Speaker 3: it's just so difficult with the rapid news cycle to
Speaker 3: get people to appreciate anything that takes longer than a
Speaker 3: week or two to achieve. And it makes sense that,
Speaker 3: for example, securing the border, there's a short term shock
Speaker 3: of all of these businesses were addicted to illegal or
Speaker 3: amnestied labor that was low wage getting paid under the table.
Speaker 3: So there's a short term increase in prices to things,
Speaker 3: but in the long run, you're going to see higher
Speaker 3: wages for the working class because they can go into
Speaker 3: those jobs that are to may available. They can go
Speaker 3: into these factories that we're able to build, and that's
Speaker 3: going to be producing these long term dividends. But we
Speaker 3: need to power through these short these short term terms
Speaker 3: that are inevitable. They're just a fact of life, right.
Speaker 14: And the thing that you mentioned is absolutely happening in
Speaker 14: the data, and we'll say it this way that by
Speaker 14: letting the border be uncontrolled and letting lower skilled folks,
Speaker 14: you know, stampede into the country and then take jobs,
Speaker 14: then what happened was that the average wage in the
Speaker 14: US under Joe Biden dropped by about three thousand dollars
Speaker 14: per family over his four years, and so people actually
Speaker 14: lost money in real terms and lost a lot of money.
Speaker 14: It is one of the worst presidential records since we've
Speaker 14: had data already going forward because of these factors. Then,
Speaker 14: for manufacturing and construction workers, which are really really great jobs,
Speaker 14: great paying jobs, the typical worker is making about four
Speaker 14: thousand dollars more per year than they were making at
Speaker 14: the start of the Trump term, and so you know,
Speaker 14: President Biden created jobs that were really bad jobs and
Speaker 14: weren't jobs that were taken by people who were native
Speaker 14: born in the US. President Trump is creating great jobs
Speaker 14: and the jobs are being taken by people who are
Speaker 14: native born US citizens.
Speaker 2: Well, when you look at that graph there, heaven, you
Speaker 2: see that we just had up they you're seeing that
Speaker 2: for the twenty fifth percentile for the median, that wages
Speaker 2: are actually going up much faster than inflation. Now you've
Speaker 2: lived through, I guess you know, four years of Biden inflation, COVID,
Speaker 2: all the money printing, all this stuff. So you may
Speaker 2: not feel it just yet, but that is a graph
Speaker 2: that shows you that we are on the right trajectory
Speaker 2: where you're seeing hourly workers, salaried workers, real wages increasing
Speaker 2: faster than inflation. You keep stacking that up quarter by
Speaker 2: quarter by quarter, and then by the end of the
Speaker 2: next two years, if we stay on the current path,
Speaker 2: as Blake said, you charged through, you press through, people
Speaker 2: are gonna start feeling that you've got to grow your
Speaker 2: way out. You know, Kevin, you made a really good
Speaker 2: point here, and I think it can't be explained enough,
Speaker 2: all right, and that's that there is this game that's
Speaker 2: being played in the media that everything's terrible and if
Speaker 2: you say that it's not, then you're a bad person.
Speaker 2: I'm being accused of this, by the way, because I
Speaker 2: accidentally sparked the whole burrito debate twenty dollars burritos, and
Speaker 2: that was just me relating, and yeah, exactly, sorry about that.
Speaker 2: It was me relating just a lived experience of our students,
Speaker 2: right that they were like, man, it just feels expensive,
Speaker 2: you know, and I think that is real. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, then you have people like Bernie Sanders,
Speaker 2: and by the ways, that's just four years of you know,
Speaker 2: cumulative thirty percent inflation and people are still like, hey,
Speaker 2: I still feel the inflation, okay, but Trump is we
Speaker 2: are working our way out of this, and I think
Speaker 2: that's so important. Right. So then Bernie Sanders gets up
Speaker 2: and he posts this and he says that, you know,
Speaker 2: childhood poverty rates and he puts America as the top
Speaker 2: twenty one point one percent of you know, our children
Speaker 2: in poverty. And now kraymu who is a friend of
Speaker 2: the show, and Blake introduced us to him, and he
Speaker 2: loved Charlie. Charlie loved him as well. He says, Bernie
Speaker 2: is making a critical air. He's using the OECD's measure
Speaker 2: of relative poverty, which is the proportion of children living
Speaker 2: in households with incomes below fifty percent of the national medium.
Speaker 2: In other words, in inequality measure, not a poverty measure.
Speaker 2: So then he basically says, by the medium, nearly all
Speaker 2: American states exceed European consumption. I want to talk about
Speaker 2: this when because a lot of Americans do feel squeezed, right,
Speaker 2: but in relative terms, our consumption remains extraordinarily high. We
Speaker 2: remain extraordinarily blessed and rich in this nation. What is
Speaker 2: your take on this argument that Bernie's making and what
Speaker 2: is the air you think should be corrected? Right?
Speaker 14: Well, well, obviously you hit it right on the head
Speaker 14: that they're looking at relative numbers. And one of the
Speaker 14: things that I remember is a study a few years
Speaker 14: ago by a conservative think tank in Sweden called Timbro
Speaker 14: and they looked at this question and they found that
Speaker 14: the average consumption of an American citizen who lives below
Speaker 14: the poverty line, so you're only averaging the consumption of
Speaker 14: people who are below our poverty line, that that consumption
Speaker 14: is higher than the average consumption in France.
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. And so the fact is that if you.
Speaker 14: Look at absolute levels of welfare, then the US is
Speaker 14: like far outperforming all those socialists or near socialist European countries.
Speaker 14: And it's doing it for reasons that Charlie talked about
Speaker 14: forever that free enterprise works. But in terms of the inflation,
Speaker 14: let's go into that a little bit more of the
Speaker 14: twenty dollars burrito, because what happened, don't forget, is that
Speaker 14: COVID was over, and then the Biden and the Democrats
Speaker 14: had a wish list of all the things that they
Speaker 14: wanted to do. They spent trillions and trillions of dollars,
Speaker 14: mailed checks to people, which is like dropping cash from
Speaker 14: a helicopter, and created runaway inflation. The runaway inflation peaked
Speaker 14: at about ten percent, which meant that you know, everybody
Speaker 14: lost their dollars from their salary. Everybody lost about ten
Speaker 14: percent of their spending power. And we've made inflation go
Speaker 14: down with our supply side policies, which increased supply, so
Speaker 14: it puts outward pressure on prices. We've made inflation good
Speaker 14: go down so much. The consumer price indecks. The last
Speaker 14: one that we got was negative on the top line,
Speaker 14: and people say, oh, that was just energy prices. But
Speaker 14: for core, which is everything else, the consumer price in
Speaker 14: deck showed zero inflation, zero inflation. And then they have
Speaker 14: this thing called the PCE, which is what the Fed's
Speaker 14: favorite measure of inflation is. That was negative at the
Speaker 14: top line and negative at the core. And the reason
Speaker 14: the core stuff is negative is because of all of
Speaker 14: President Trump's policies, Like did you know that drug prices
Speaker 14: are actually going down? The consumer price index for drug
Speaker 14: has dropped precipitously because of Trump, our X and other
Speaker 14: things that we're doing. And so inflation is coming down,
Speaker 14: but the price level went up. And so when people
Speaker 14: are thinking about, well, how am I doing compared to
Speaker 14: how I was doing five years ago, Well, you had
Speaker 14: you know, those four years Biden where prices skyrocketed and
Speaker 14: your wages didn't keep up, and the typical American family
Speaker 14: lost three four thousand dollars in spending power. Now they're
Speaker 14: gaining that spending power back, but they do you know,
Speaker 14: they don't care so much about the rate of change
Speaker 14: of prices in June as much as they do. What's
Speaker 14: the level how much does it actually cost to buy
Speaker 14: a pound of hamburger? And so that's why or you know,
Speaker 14: the stake fajita in a burrito, and so that's really
Speaker 14: why there's a disconnect here. But one of the things,
Speaker 14: let's go back to how the media covers it, that's
Speaker 14: really really interesting is that our policies were really passed
Speaker 14: to the big beautiful Bill. That's when we really started
Speaker 14: to take effect our policies, which was passed about a
Speaker 14: year ago, and a lot of the stuff, you know,
Speaker 14: really kicked in over the winter, and our policies are
Speaker 14: really working. And you could see it because inflation has
Speaker 14: gone from almost four percent down to over the last
Speaker 14: month that we had data about zero. But what do
Speaker 14: they do in the media when they cover inflation, they say, oh, well,
Speaker 14: compared to you know, twelve months ago, over the last
Speaker 14: twelve months, inflation is this, which is a non zero number.
Speaker 14: It's a higher number, but it's a higher number because
Speaker 14: we inherited all this inflation from Joe Biden. We've run
Speaker 14: it down to almost zero. But if you look at
Speaker 14: you know, twelve months ago, inflation was higher and so
Speaker 14: if you average over twelve months, then it doesn't look
Speaker 14: like we're making progress. But if you look at what
Speaker 14: we're doing right now, we've made an enormous amount of progress.
Speaker 14: And so they won't even cover the progress that we're
Speaker 14: making because they want to run negative stories about President
Speaker 14: Trump's economy.
Speaker 2: Well, and they always talk about gas prices, right, that's
Speaker 2: that's the thing. So hopefully we can get a deal
Speaker 2: and a run. Hopefully the price of energy drops, and
Speaker 2: you know, we're hoping for all those things to happen,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't negate all the other good movements in
Speaker 2: the economy. I want to talk about this TPS thing.
Speaker 2: I was seeing this circulate as well, Kevin. So we
Speaker 2: you know, Supreme Court backs President Trump's ability to strip
Speaker 2: TPS from all these Haitians that have been here and others.
Speaker 2: You lose some labor in that, right, So it's going
Speaker 2: to impact the numbers. Are we seeing that And is
Speaker 2: there kind of some misinformation being spread about the labor
Speaker 2: market that's relative to TPS.
Speaker 14: Well, well, the way I would think about it again
Speaker 14: is that when you're thinking about how the job market's doing,
Speaker 14: then the metric that's the strongest and most reliable is
Speaker 14: what's happening to the unemployment rate, And movements in the
Speaker 14: unemployment rate are really really perfectly correlated with whether you're
Speaker 14: having a recession or not. And it's measured really well
Speaker 14: because if people lose their jobs, then they get unemployment
Speaker 14: insurance and when they file for that that we can
Speaker 14: actually see, oh, that guy lost their jobs. We have
Speaker 14: very good data adit. Right now, initial claims for unemployment
Speaker 14: insurance in the US are the lowest they've been since
Speaker 14: World War Two. And if you think about how much
Speaker 14: bigger the population is now compared to all those years before,
Speaker 14: you could say that, like, the odds of someone getting
Speaker 14: fired right now are the lowest they've ever ever been.
Speaker 14: And so the labor market is strong and we're getting
Speaker 14: net positive job creation even though you know, we have
Speaker 14: closed the border at our deporting people who aren't legal
Speaker 14: citizens in the US, and so that's a sign of
Speaker 14: how strong the labor market is. But again, President Trump
Speaker 14: has reduced the federal workforce by about three hundred thousand workers,
Speaker 14: and that's like permanent savings for the US taxpayers. If
Speaker 14: he hadn't done that, then the jobs numbers would be
Speaker 14: even stronger than what we're seeing, but that's not the
Speaker 14: way President tumpt rolls. He wants to do the right thing,
Speaker 14: and he wants to do the right thing for hardworking America.
Speaker 2: The final thing I guast numbers artificially.
Speaker 14: The last thing about this is the federal workers who
Speaker 14: who have lost their jobs in the DC area. They've
Speaker 14: all gotten private sector jobs and so there hasn't been
Speaker 14: a spike and unemployment around here.
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Speaker 2: He's the vice president of Community Engagement with Turning Point
Speaker 2: and we have a brand new initiative that Pierre is
Speaker 2: going to tell us all about called Communities. Pierre, welcome back,
Speaker 2: my friend. Why don't you tell us about this new
Speaker 2: project we're working on.
Speaker 16: Well, it's a pleasure to be back with you both.
Speaker 16: I appreciate you guys having me on. And you know,
Speaker 16: today is a good day. We're launching Tpstate Communities, which
Speaker 16: is an opportunity for everyday Americans to lead right where
Speaker 16: they live. You know, we've built, you know, the most
Speaker 16: massive impactful student program in history. Right, we have a
Speaker 16: lot of students who are graduating college and they still
Speaker 16: believe in at Turning Point mission. They still believe in
Speaker 16: what Charlie started so many years ago, and they want.
Speaker 8: To stay involved.
Speaker 16: Communities answers that call through our Young Professionals program. You
Speaker 16: guys know this to Post nine to ten, we had
Speaker 16: a lot of people reach out to us saying how.
Speaker 8: Can I get involved? And they were you know, they were.
Speaker 16: Adults, they weren't students, and we didn't necessarily have a
Speaker 16: way to plug them in. Many of them were veterans
Speaker 16: and law enforcement officers who wanted to get in involved
Speaker 16: and still serve their country, but in a different way.
Speaker 16: Communities answers to that call through our Heroes program. Charlie
Speaker 16: was a big believer in minority communities, so many of
Speaker 16: us here at turning points still believe minority communities are
Speaker 16: worth saving.
Speaker 8: We answer that call through RISE.
Speaker 16: And lastly, we have our Families program too, which again parents, moms, dads, grandparents,
Speaker 16: you name it. They believe and like I believe, that
Speaker 16: families are the backbone of this country. Communities answers that
Speaker 16: call with our Family and Families Initiative. So no matter
Speaker 16: what stage of life you're in, there is something for
Speaker 16: you in TPSA Communities. And I'm glad to have the
Speaker 16: opportunity to lead it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Blake had my back here because how
Speaker 2: many emails do we get all the time? Oh, to
Speaker 2: people that aren't necessarily college students that want to get involved.
Speaker 2: They want to plug in somewhere and they don't know how,
Speaker 2: or there wasn't a convenient place to put them, and
Speaker 2: now there is. Yeah, you can really get.
Speaker 3: So many emails and they'll say, I'm a graduate or
Speaker 3: even I'm middle aged, but could I show up at
Speaker 3: the university chapters? I would say like, okay, I don't you.
Speaker 3: A lot of those events are open, but they are
Speaker 3: aimed at universities. You don't know exactly what to say.
Speaker 3: So it is good because so many people. Charlie started
Speaker 3: as a guy trying to speak to the youth, to students,
Speaker 3: but his message expanded so much, and so it's a
Speaker 3: very good thing that we can expand the Turning Point
Speaker 3: universe to accommodate how far his message reached. So what
Speaker 3: I'm wondering, what's the form that this takes. So let's
Speaker 3: say you're a young professional in maybe we'll pick a
Speaker 3: random city, Los Angeles. Are you going to end up?
Speaker 3: Are these chapters that people join are they just coordinating
Speaker 3: mechanisms for doing events. Is this focused on political engagement
Speaker 3: or faith engagement? Just describe maybe what the typical experience
Speaker 3: for someone might be who wants to get involved in this.
Speaker 16: It's a city based chapter initiative, so we can theoretically
Speaker 16: we're going to launch chapters in as many cities as possible.
Speaker 16: We already have well over five hundred chapters launching today
Speaker 16: as long today. It just shows the momentum we were
Speaker 16: building leading up to launch day. So the plan is
Speaker 16: to have a chapter at every city. We want to
Speaker 16: touch every corner of this country. We want people to
Speaker 16: have an opportunity to plug in with like minded individuals
Speaker 16: and also reach other individuals who may not have heard
Speaker 16: an alternative message.
Speaker 14: Right.
Speaker 8: I was one of those individuals who grew.
Speaker 16: Up really hearing a left leaning message and told that
Speaker 16: this country wasn't for me and you know, all the
Speaker 16: victimhood nonsense, right, But you know, I went and I
Speaker 16: started the first, very the very first grassroots chapter and
Speaker 16: the movements that I had previously started and it's led
Speaker 16: to communities today. So I'm hoping that individuals and their
Speaker 16: local cities through voter registration efforts, through community cleanups, through
Speaker 16: even if it's just coming together and saying, hey, we
Speaker 16: just needed to like mind the community to connect with
Speaker 16: and with and talk to, you know, because maybe our
Speaker 16: family doesn't share our political beliefs or whatever it may be.
Speaker 16: We want to be that place where people can come
Speaker 16: together and connect. We've already seen some cities do things
Speaker 16: different than other cities. We have some city chapters who
Speaker 16: are looking at mentorship opportunity for the youth because they've
Speaker 16: noticed the youth in their community is going down a
Speaker 16: terrible road. We have some communities chapters who are you know,
Speaker 16: focused on school board stuff. We have some community chapters
Speaker 16: who are looking at cleanups because they're like, man, every
Speaker 16: time I walk outside, there's trash all over my neighborhood.
Speaker 8: Who wants to live like this? Right? So it really
Speaker 8: depends on what's needed in your area.
Speaker 16: But the big thing is that we want to encourage
Speaker 16: people to come together, take care of our communities, take
Speaker 16: care of each other, and love this country openly and
Speaker 16: be proud about it.
Speaker 2: You know, I have so many thoughts, Pierre, A couple
Speaker 2: of things I want to get to. So one of
Speaker 2: the action items of communities is going to be engaged
Speaker 2: in is getting people registered to vote as well. Right so,
Speaker 2: right now at charliekirk dot com slash vote, you can
Speaker 2: check your voter registration status, which is it is just
Speaker 2: a big thing right vote dot online tool we're using.
Speaker 2: So it takes literally thirty seconds. So if you've moved
Speaker 2: recently or you're just not sure what your status is,
Speaker 2: go to charliekirk dot com slash vote. You can also
Speaker 2: do that through the communities page. Guys make that really easy.
Speaker 2: And so that's that's the first thing I just want
Speaker 2: to make sure because that's something we're really going to
Speaker 2: be focused on. You're gonna hear me bring this up
Speaker 2: time and time again if you listen to the show,
Speaker 2: charliekirk dot com slash vote, check your status right now. Okay. First, Secondly,
Speaker 2: we spent a lot of time in our one of
Speaker 2: the show talking about the sectarian nature of the changing
Speaker 2: American body politic. And you see these the tribalist ideas.
Speaker 2: You see Hassan Piker raging against white people and you know,
Speaker 2: raging against black people. Anything that gets in the way
Speaker 2: of DSA and the rise of the communist left. This
Speaker 2: is an opportunity that I believe is turning that back
Speaker 2: on itself. It's pushing back against this division division, and
Speaker 2: and this brings people together from different age groups, different backgrounds,
Speaker 2: different walks of life, and says we are all American,
Speaker 2: we we bleed the same color red, and we all
Speaker 2: can love this country. And I think that's so powerful
Speaker 2: because that is is what has made America the shining
Speaker 2: city on a hill for so long. We are different,
Speaker 2: we do not give into these clash divisions and these
Speaker 2: racial divisions. We come together as Americans. I think that's
Speaker 2: what you're leading here. And I just love it because,
Speaker 2: as we said before, there's so many people that have
Speaker 2: wanted to be a part of this movement that weren't
Speaker 2: a student and this is their opportunity.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean you hit it on the head, Andrew.
Speaker 16: We want to bring people together. You know, we're not
Speaker 16: shy about our beliefs, right.
Speaker 8: We love the Lord.
Speaker 16: We certainly are not afraid to be patriotic. Right, So
Speaker 16: we're going to share the things that we believe in.
Speaker 16: But at the same time, we do believe there's more
Speaker 16: that unites us than the divide than divides us. The
Speaker 16: left obviously profit salt division and they spend a lot
Speaker 16: of money on pushing division, but we're doing the opposite.
Speaker 8: We want to unify this country.
Speaker 16: We believe that there are a lot of people out
Speaker 16: there who believe that this country is worth fighting for,
Speaker 16: that believes that this country is still that shining city
Speaker 16: on the hill. And it does start in our communities.
Speaker 16: Love grassroots work, you guys know that about me. I
Speaker 16: believe that each one reaches the one right, and you
Speaker 16: reach ten, and you reach twenty, reach one hundred. Doing
Speaker 16: that hard, gritty grassroots work, to me is what makes
Speaker 16: the biggest difference changing someone's lives. The stories you hear,
Speaker 16: the people you bring together, whether it's someone who is black,
Speaker 16: whether it's someone who's white, someone who is Jewish, someone
Speaker 16: is a matter where the person, what the person's background is.
Speaker 16: I've seen pictures, I've seen videos, I've seen the work
Speaker 16: that we're doing already of just people from so many
Speaker 16: different backgrounds coming together.
Speaker 8: So it's beautiful, Andrew, It's it's it's great. It's great
Speaker 8: to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I love what you said. Reach What did
Speaker 2: you say, Reach one.
Speaker 16: Reach one, reach ten, reach twenty, each person, each each
Speaker 16: one reaches one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, each one reaches one. This is the heartbeat of
Speaker 2: what Turning Point does. We believe in a couple of
Speaker 2: things on the on the chapter level, it's chapters change
Speaker 2: the world, right, each chapter change the world, which is
Speaker 2: something you could relate to with communities as well. Already
Speaker 2: five hundred that's incredible, that's incredible. People don't understand how started.
Speaker 2: So chapter chapters change the world, Doors win wars. Right,
Speaker 2: we believe in knocking on doors at Turning Point action communities.
Speaker 2: Each one reaches one. And I love that the grassroots
Speaker 2: heartbeat of this organization marches on this. So Charlie taught us.
Speaker 2: That's what Charlie built, and you are continuing that legacy,
Speaker 2: and I think it's so incredibly important. But I love
Speaker 2: that you're bringing in the minority thing, You're bringing in
Speaker 2: different ages, you're bringing in different walks of life, and
Speaker 2: each city. I mean, how big could this grow? Pierre?
Speaker 16: Yeah, I think this can be the biggest department and
Speaker 16: Turning Point, you know, simply because they're I mean, you
Speaker 16: think about it. There is really nowhere we can't go.
Speaker 16: The communities are all over the country, every state, so
Speaker 16: many different cities, So you know, I think the potential
Speaker 16: here is unlimited and that's what's beautiful about it. But
Speaker 16: where we want to do it right. You know, we
Speaker 16: don't want to just have the numbers just to have it.
Speaker 16: We're putting up big numbers on the scoreboard, but it's
Speaker 16: impactful too at the same time, the things that they're
Speaker 16: coming out of these chapters, the stories, the people we
Speaker 16: are reaching, a spinning in credible to see already.
Speaker 8: And again this is officially launched day today, so.
Speaker 16: I can't imagine the impact of the way we're going
Speaker 16: to take off posts today, but it can go all
Speaker 16: over the country. Andrew, to answer your question.
Speaker 2: Everywhere, okay, give people their action items. Where do they go,
Speaker 2: where do they sign up? How do they get involved
Speaker 2: in communities?
Speaker 16: So TPUSA dot com slash communities, and what I would
Speaker 16: encourage you to do is to read about each community
Speaker 16: and see what stage of life you're in where you fit.
Speaker 16: Some people join multiple different groups. You can join more
Speaker 16: than one, but get plugged in more than anything.
Speaker 12: Lead.
Speaker 16: There's an opportunity on TPSA dot com slash communities where
Speaker 16: you just sign up as a leader in your community.
Speaker 16: If there is not a chapter there, you have the
Speaker 16: opportunity to start one. If there is a chapter there.
Speaker 16: You have a chance to get plugged in, but I
Speaker 16: encourage you to not sit on the sidelines if you're
Speaker 16: watching this, and to get involved and to share with
Speaker 16: people within your network.
Speaker 8: Like we've been discussing today. It's something for every single person.
Speaker 16: And one of the other things I wanted to say
Speaker 16: really quick is that we have the Clean Up America
Speaker 16: Tour that is coming up starting August twenty ninth and
Speaker 16: CLEARWAO of floridaurging and hit five different cities including Phoenix, Arizona.
Speaker 8: Please join us.
Speaker 16: You'll also see that on tepestate dot com slash communities.
Speaker 16: Sign up to attend to stop for multiple stops. We
Speaker 16: would love to have you come out there, check it out,
Speaker 16: register to vote with us.
Speaker 8: If you have it, join our to join communities.
Speaker 2: What's the name of the tour, Pierre clean.
Speaker 16: Up America Tour, and we're gonna have five cities country
Speaker 16: starting with a clear order.
Speaker 2: Amen. Amen, folks. If you're just getting to know Pierre,
Speaker 2: Charlie loved Pierre so much and had all the faith
Speaker 2: in the world in him, and he's the right guy
Speaker 2: to lead this this massive new undertaking because we have
Speaker 2: been inundated by people that want to get involved and
Speaker 2: want to plug in. And one last thought I'll just
Speaker 2: add in the last ten seconds here is a lot
Speaker 2: of people, you know, their local GOP is dysfunctional. Their
Speaker 2: local you know, and sometimes you need an outside group
Speaker 2: to bring new, fresh, young energy into that and revitalize
Speaker 2: all those different patriotic groups in a community. So this
Speaker 2: I think could be really transformative on so many levels.
Speaker 2: Pierre Wilson, God bless you, sir us you guys. All right,
Speaker 2: there is a new article from highly respected Scott Greer.
Speaker 2: He joined the show and he is opining on the
Speaker 2: twenty dollars burrito debate. And I'm sorry to bring this up,
Speaker 2: but I really hope that the audience understands how deep
Speaker 2: this debate.
Speaker 3: Ended up going and talk about the burrito.
Speaker 2: The burrito and it was just one little throwaway tweet
Speaker 2: for me yours truly. I'm so sorry I did it
Speaker 2: because everybody's using it as a as a wedge issue
Speaker 2: the MAGA civil war. But I think Scott Greer actually
Speaker 2: has provided a valuable contribution to this debate. And this
Speaker 2: is substack highly respected. We've had him on the show.
Speaker 2: We usually pass his articles around because we find them interesting.
Speaker 2: He said, what Americans pay twenty bucks for a burrito
Speaker 2: to have less immigration? Nationalist economics may face the obstacles
Speaker 2: of America wanting cheap and infinite consumption. And I think
Speaker 2: that's true, Blake. He's making the point that we have
Speaker 2: become a custom in this society to not be willing
Speaker 2: to sacrifice anything to get sort of this, you know,
Speaker 2: delayed gratification to get the better, the more lasting good
Speaker 2: for our country. Because we expect infinite consumption and low prices.
Speaker 2: Are we willing to do what's necessary? Are we willing
Speaker 2: to pay twenty twenty five bucks for burrito if it
Speaker 2: means mass deportations.
Speaker 3: It's exactly what we were talking about in that last
Speaker 3: segment where there is about the delay effect from we
Speaker 3: closed off the border, and wages will get better, but
Speaker 3: there will probably be short term inflation of costs because
Speaker 3: companies are addicted to this. And Greer's article points this
Speaker 3: out that, Okay, one factor that will make your burrito
Speaker 3: more expensive is if we cut off the supply of
Speaker 3: low wage labor, there's less people to work specifically in
Speaker 3: those businesses, or wages are going up in construction or
Speaker 3: other industries that have a lot of illegals, which means
Speaker 3: more people are going to them, which is putting wage
Speaker 3: pressure on your fast food outlets. And we, as nationalists,
Speaker 3: we understand this is desirable. We want a country where
Speaker 3: people know English. We want a country where not getting replaced.
Speaker 3: We want a country that's safer. We want a country
Speaker 3: where there's fewer quality leering centers. But yes, a side
Speaker 3: effect of this will probably be that some goods are
Speaker 3: going to be more expensive because we aren't just an
Speaker 3: economic zone whose only guiding principle is keep wages as
Speaker 3: far down as possible. And I think it's a valuable
Speaker 3: contribution to bring this up because we have that debate
Speaker 3: over burrito prices and you have some people going, ah,
Speaker 3: kids these days are just entitled. And we don't want
Speaker 3: to just say, oh no, you have the right to
Speaker 3: feel like you can afford things and buy things in
Speaker 3: our country. But we do have to confront can't. We
Speaker 3: have to push back and Charlie is so good at this.
Speaker 3: We have to push back on this kind of unlimited
Speaker 3: entitlement that people can feel of. I want maximum consumption,
Speaker 3: I want the lowest possible prices. I want no trade
Speaker 3: offs at all in return for making America's long term
Speaker 3: future better. I think it's a real problem that we face,
Speaker 3: and I think Scott is right to point it out.
Speaker 2: Well. I love this section. I'm going to read it
Speaker 2: for you here, so he says. He says, the new
Speaker 2: American dream is predicated on the twin demands of infinite
Speaker 2: benefits and infinite low cost consumption. Can a people so
Speaker 2: accustomed to such rights in parentheses be expected to have
Speaker 2: them clipped to accomplish a greater good? The answer to
Speaker 2: that question will determine the fate of the country. In
Speaker 2: order to make the country greater again, people will have
Speaker 2: to adjust their expectations and experience short term inconveniences. It's
Speaker 2: easy to demand radical political changes, but until the people
Speaker 2: are willing to make small sacrifices, we will never make
Speaker 2: those changes. This is exactly right, by the way, as
Speaker 2: soon as we start deporting people, what do you get?
Speaker 2: You got the GOP chamber of convers popping their heads
Speaker 2: up saying, here's an amnesty for anybody who has been
Speaker 2: in the country since you know, twenty twenty. This is
Speaker 2: what they instantly do. Oh, we need more cheap labor.
Speaker 2: You've got Senator Curtis out of Utah saying states should
Speaker 2: be able to customize their amnesty plan. Okay, that's why
Speaker 2: it's necessary to prioritize what's most important rather than trying
Speaker 2: to do everything the new right theories dictate. The American
Speaker 2: people still want cheap goods, regardless of whatever rhetoric tells
Speaker 2: them to feel differently, He's right, there is a tension here.
Speaker 2: We say we want all these things, but as soon
Speaker 2: as we do, there's a little bit of pain and
Speaker 2: we bail on that. So I think it's a fair
Speaker 2: criticism because I do think we need to be a
Speaker 2: people that can experience short term sacrifice and short term inconvenience.
Speaker 2: If we're going to get to the long term benefit,
Speaker 2: we have to be able to have that delayed gratification. Blake.
Speaker 2: You know, Charlie was a big believer in delayed gratification
Speaker 2: when it comes to marriage, when it comes to the economy,
Speaker 2: when it comes to our government and our politics. Final
Speaker 2: minute to you, Blake, what's the takeaway? Do you think
Speaker 2: we can do this?
Speaker 3: It's a moral question, really, Like, we only have such
Speaker 3: a nice country because your parents, grant parents, great grandparents,
Speaker 3: going all the way back to the settlers on the Mayflower.
Speaker 3: We only have a nice country because those people accepted
Speaker 3: sacrifices to achieve things. And it's absolutely an addiction in
Speaker 3: America to not want to accept any sacrifice, and we've
Speaker 3: seen how this has been catastrophic in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: We fought the Iraq War on a credit card because
Speaker 3: George W. Bush didn't want Americans to feel like they
Speaker 3: were being taxed at all to fight the war on terrorism.
Speaker 3: He literally said, go out and spend. That's how you
Speaker 3: can help America during the war on terrorism. We've really
Speaker 3: built up all of this debt because we're pushing off
Speaker 3: all questions, all trade offs into the future and handling
Speaker 3: this is going to be a challenge. And we've gotten
Speaker 3: so used to not demanding any sacrifices of anyone that
Speaker 3: it feels like a moral attack to suggest it, because
Speaker 3: they'll just say, oh, well, Boomers or whoever, they didn't
Speaker 3: have to sacrifice. It's going to be tough, it's going
Speaker 3: to be painful, and we do have to front this.
Speaker 3: Remember we might have to sacrifice to save this country.
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