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Speaker 3: All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It is
Speaker 3: January thirteenth, twenty twenty six. We are here in studio.
Speaker 3: I'm Andrew Covid, executive producer of this show, joined by
Speaker 3: Blake Nef, the one and only Blake Neff, And today
Speaker 3: we mourn the loss of another great American and that
Speaker 3: is Scott Adams. I just saw that. Jd Vance actually
Speaker 3: just tweeted something moments before we came on the air.
Speaker 3: Scott Adams was a true American original and a great
Speaker 3: ally to the President of the United States and the
Speaker 3: entire administration. My prayers go to Scott and all of
Speaker 3: you who loved him. We lost one of the good ones,
Speaker 3: but we'll never forget him.
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's a lot of a lot of newspaper
Speaker 4: comic artists are not going to get a tribute like that.
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 3: Do you remember when Charles Schultz died? I do, but
Speaker 3: just vaguely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the Peanut Sky. Yes, he was a
Speaker 4: great American icon, but that's the only one I can
Speaker 4: really think of.
Speaker 3: That's God. Yeah, I mean so he Scott Adams of
Speaker 3: course created Dilbert in nineteen eighty nine, and he it
Speaker 3: was incredible because you know, obviously we were too young
Speaker 3: to kind of understand, you know, I was too young.
Speaker 3: Blake wasn't even born yet, you know, it was too
Speaker 3: young to understand this rise of corporate culture and workplace
Speaker 3: cubicle culture. And he gave voice through this comic to
Speaker 3: the quiet frustrations of working men and women that were
Speaker 3: working their way up filtrations. But also it was it
Speaker 3: was deeply funny. It was deeply funny. It was the
Speaker 3: hapless engineer protagonist as it was described, and a bunch
Speaker 3: of dysfunctional colleagues, and you know, it was a cultural phenomenon.
Speaker 3: It became a cultural phenomenon that people would talk about
Speaker 3: at the workplace or at the water cooler, or when
Speaker 3: they're getting coffee at work, you know. And that's why
Speaker 3: he ultimately created Coffee with Scott Adams. It was originally
Speaker 3: called Real Coffee with Scott Adams, and it became a
Speaker 3: phenomenon that many people too into daily and to just
Speaker 3: get a dose of his you know, his contrarian thinking.
Speaker 3: He had a unique blend of insight, humor, wit, and
Speaker 3: an optimism. He was an optimist, he genuinely was. And
Speaker 3: he was one of the first people to sort of
Speaker 3: take President Trump seriously, one of the first mainstream people
Speaker 3: to take President Trump seriously. And he paid politically for that,
Speaker 3: and he paid in his career for that as well.
Speaker 3: A lot of papers around the country ended up removing
Speaker 3: Scott Adams the Over cartoon from their papers. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: they you know, and here's what they'll do, by the way,
Speaker 3: this is what they're gonna do is the same thing
Speaker 3: that they did with Charlie. Is they're going to cherry
Speaker 3: pick a few things that Scott maybe said or take
Speaker 3: it out of context. They're gonna like remove all the
Speaker 3: other context and say that Scott Adams was this bad
Speaker 3: person or whatever. No, Scott Adams was just great.
Speaker 4: What he was was he was a man in the arena,
Speaker 4: just like Charlie, where oh, if you go out there
Speaker 4: and say things, Oh, there's a risk someone might not
Speaker 4: like what you say, you might be in articulate at
Speaker 4: some point. It's just disgusting. I want us to throw up.
Speaker 4: This is one of my favorites. Let's put up two
Speaker 4: forty nine.
Speaker 3: Uh, this is just you didn't have comics like this before.
Speaker 4: They're not comics read it first like this. So it's
Speaker 4: the point. He heard boss talking to Dilbert. My boss
Speaker 4: says we need some Unich programmers. I think he means Unix,
Speaker 4: not Unux. I already and I already know Unix. If
Speaker 4: the company or drops by, tell her, I said, never
Speaker 4: mine at the company nurses.
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 4: I don't think you would have seen you would not
Speaker 4: have seen a comic strip like I keep saying, Yeah,
Speaker 4: a comic strip like that in Uh.
Speaker 3: It was. It was cathartic, it was. It was syndicated worldwide,
Speaker 3: by the way, that's what's amazing about it syndicated worldwide.
Speaker 3: So it was a phenomenon of the workplace that emerged
Speaker 3: in the eighties and nineties, probably in the seventies. And
Speaker 3: what people also probably don't know about Scott has he
Speaker 3: authored a bunch of best selling books on persuasion, persuasion systems,
Speaker 3: thinking personal success. It's just really great act. Why we
Speaker 3: talked to Scott on the phone. I never met him
Speaker 3: in person. I talked to him on the phone a
Speaker 3: couple of times. I was on the phone with Scott
Speaker 3: and Charlie, believe it or not. We were talking about
Speaker 3: maybe getting him on the show, how it could work together.
Speaker 3: Nothing ended up becoming of those conversations, but you know,
Speaker 3: Scott did honor Charlie. When Charlie was killed, we did that,
Speaker 3: he did. We have that clip.
Speaker 4: Let's make sure we have the right one here, because
Speaker 4: there were a few. Yeah, So this was he was
Speaker 4: on Tucker's program shortly after and he was commenting on it.
Speaker 4: So this is I can't imagine Adams ever thought he
Speaker 4: would outlift Charlie, but this is what he had to say.
Speaker 3: Clip two thirty nine.
Speaker 5: When Charlie Kirk died, you could almost feel this massive
Speaker 5: energy being released. You know, he sort of controlled it,
Speaker 5: but when it was released, you know, his mortal coil
Speaker 5: was no more. I feel like that energy just went
Speaker 5: into people and suddenly tens of millions of people simultaneously
Speaker 5: said what can I do? What can I do right now?
Speaker 5: And that's different. People don't say I'm going to stop everything,
Speaker 5: tell me what to do. I'm going to go to church.
Speaker 5: A lot of people did. I'm going to say stuff
Speaker 5: on social media. I'm going to hunt down the people
Speaker 5: who said bad things and cancel them.
Speaker 6: But I'm going to do something.
Speaker 5: You know, we're we're going to figure out how to
Speaker 5: start another chapter of you know, TPUSA, and all of
Speaker 5: that's happening, and it doesn't seem to be slowing down,
Speaker 5: you know, the vigils, et cetera. If anything, the energy,
Speaker 5: it might be growing. And I've never seen anything like
Speaker 5: it in my life. I've never seen the Republicans turn
Speaker 5: into their own machine. And now it is.
Speaker 3: And what's most important I think as well, is that
Speaker 3: Scott was wrestling with his own mortality towards the end.
Speaker 3: You know. C. S. Lewis would talk about how a
Speaker 3: soldier in a fox actually, you know, because he was
Speaker 3: reflecting on World War One. He was a veteran of
Speaker 3: World War One and he was he was doing a
Speaker 3: lot of his writings and his thinking in World War Two,
Speaker 3: and he said that it can be a blessing to
Speaker 3: be faced with your own mortality and to understand that you,
Speaker 3: as a soldier, you might die, and to confront the
Speaker 3: almighty and to make peace. And Scott was sort of
Speaker 3: that soldier on a field in a cultural sense, in
Speaker 3: a media sense, and he was staring down the sickness.
Speaker 3: He had metastatic cross state casts with spread to his bones. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so he was dealing with the fact that he
Speaker 3: knew he was probably gonna die. He said it, I'm
Speaker 3: going We're all going to die, yes, but imminently right
Speaker 3: and sou and that could be a real blessing. And
Speaker 3: so Scott was wrestling with his own mortality and was
Speaker 3: never a believer, was never a Christian. He had great
Speaker 3: respect for Christians, but he was not himself. And so
Speaker 3: we have two clips where he himself was describing this
Speaker 3: two thirty seven.
Speaker 6: Any of my Christian friends and Christian followers saved me. Scott,
Speaker 6: you still have time, you should convert to Christianity. And
Speaker 6: I usually just let that sit because that's not an
Speaker 6: argument I want to have. I've not been a believer,
Speaker 6: and but I also have a respect for any Christian
Speaker 6: who goes out of their way to try to convert me,
Speaker 6: because how would I believe you believe your own religion
Speaker 6: if you're not trying to convert me. So I have
Speaker 6: great respect for people who care enough that they want
Speaker 6: me to convert and then go out of the way
Speaker 6: to try to convince me.
Speaker 2: So you're here for the.
Speaker 6: First time today that it is my plan to convert.
Speaker 3: That's a very Scott.
Speaker 4: It's such an I'm a I'm a tech autist kind
Speaker 4: of exactly.
Speaker 3: It's it's like an engineer, you know, doing it in
Speaker 3: only the way he can. And and and I my
Speaker 3: word to everybody that's like you know that might think
Speaker 3: that you know this isn't that's not an authentic way
Speaker 3: to convert. I would just say everybody's different. God makes
Speaker 3: us in mysterious ways. I actually the last DM I
Speaker 3: sent to Scott was the parable of the workers in
Speaker 3: the vineyard. And we wanted to read this really quick,
Speaker 3: for the Kingdom of Heaven is like the landowner who
Speaker 3: went out early in the morning to hire workers for
Speaker 3: his vineyard. He agreed to pay them a denarius for
Speaker 3: the day and sent them into his vineyard. About nine
Speaker 3: in the morning, he went out and saw others standing
Speaker 3: in the marketplace doing nothing. He told them, you also
Speaker 3: go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay
Speaker 3: you whatever is right. So they went. He went out
Speaker 3: again about noon and about three in the afternoon and
Speaker 3: did the same thing. About five in the afternoon, he
Speaker 3: went out and found still others standing around. He asked them,
Speaker 3: why have you been standing here all day doing nothing?
Speaker 3: Because no one has hired us. They answered, He said
Speaker 3: to them, you also go and work in my vineyard.
Speaker 3: When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to
Speaker 3: his foreman, call the workers and pay them their wages,
Speaker 3: beginning with the last ones hired and going to the first.
Speaker 3: The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon
Speaker 3: came and each received a denarius. So when those came
Speaker 3: who were hired first, they expected to rea more, but
Speaker 3: each one of them also received a denarius. When they
Speaker 3: received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. These
Speaker 3: who were hired last worked only one hour, they said,
Speaker 3: and you have made them equal to us, who have
Speaker 3: borne the burden of work for the heat of the day.
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Speaker 3: really upsetting me. I just was sent this and this
Speaker 3: is how People Magazine is choosing to remember Scott Adams.
Speaker 3: Scott Adams disgraced Dilbert creator dies at sixty eight.
Speaker 4: That's disgusting there, it is that grace.
Speaker 3: But I'm telling you this is the exact same playbook.
Speaker 3: Take can you take the enemies of the people the
Speaker 3: banner off the bottom there for a seconds so people
Speaker 3: can see it. Yeah, so Scott, Yeah, Scott Adams disgrace.
Speaker 3: Dilbert creator dies at sixty eight. Dilbert was pulled from
Speaker 3: wide circulation after Adam's racist rant in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: It's such a garbage thing to do to somebody, And
Speaker 3: you know, this is what they did with Charlie. It's
Speaker 3: the same exact playbook where you know, they take something
Speaker 3: that Charlie said out of context about black pilots or
Speaker 3: Martin Luther King and they strip it of all of
Speaker 3: the build up, all of the context. It's just hateful garbage.
Speaker 3: And then and then they use it to smear somebody,
Speaker 3: even in death. You know, somebody somebody retweeted my tweet
Speaker 3: on it on X and basically quote tweeted it and said,
Speaker 3: you know, you can tell a lot about the way
Speaker 3: some you know, a group of people by who they
Speaker 3: lionized and who who their heroes are. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: you can tell a lot about somebody that even in death,
Speaker 3: they refuse to be gracious and kind or at least neutral,
Speaker 3: or just keep your mouth shut. So People Magazine, shame
Speaker 3: on you, absolute disgrace. We got someone who sent in
Speaker 3: their favorite Dilbert. They had a they have a Dilbert
Speaker 3: strip hanging in their cubicle. Yeah, it's Dilbert talking to
Speaker 3: the point to hear boss. May I talk to you
Speaker 3: after the mandatory meeting? Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 4: I didn't give you approval to attend that meeting. The
Speaker 4: meeting is mandatory. Approval is mandatory too, Okay, whatever, May
Speaker 4: I go to the mandatory meeting. All requests must be
Speaker 4: in writing. It's mandatory. It's mandatory. If people start bending
Speaker 4: the rules before long, murder will be legal. And then
Speaker 4: it shows him talking to his coworker afterwards.
Speaker 3: That was the best mandatory meeting I've ever been to.
Speaker 4: They hands it out free cash.
Speaker 3: Shut up, it's funny. He's good. I was never like
Speaker 3: really that into cartoons, but I was really into like it.
Speaker 4: Was one of it was we read like three of
Speaker 4: them and that was one of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's not a lot.
Speaker 4: A lot of them are really bad. I do they
Speaker 4: still exist? I guess do newspapers still exist?
Speaker 3: They do? They do exist? Blake, It's yeah, there are newspapers. Listen.
Speaker 3: I I want to I just want to remember that, uh,
Speaker 3: that Scott took a great personal toll for this, and
Speaker 3: and you know, I I the way the verse ends
Speaker 3: with the parable of the workers in the vineyard is
Speaker 3: that you know the first will be last and the
Speaker 3: last will be first. And so Scott Scott came to
Speaker 3: his face faith almost at the end, almost as like
Speaker 3: Pascal's wager. And maybe Blake, if you want to describe
Speaker 3: that for the audiences, Oh yeah, so he does.
Speaker 4: Then there's another clip where he's more forth right about
Speaker 4: it even that. So Blake's Pascal was a French mathematician
Speaker 4: who laid out an argument that basically, you should embrace theism,
Speaker 4: you should embrace Christianity because the rewards of eternal life
Speaker 4: are great and the if you're wrong, you lose just
Speaker 4: you're just worm food, so you lose nothing.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 4: The funny thing is Pascal, a very logical man himself,
Speaker 4: did not convert for that reason. He had a religious
Speaker 4: experience one night, like just had a divine vision and
Speaker 4: he was a super Christian after that. But it's an
Speaker 4: argument that has a lot of it's debated a lot,
Speaker 4: certainly among you know, computer programmer types. Well, this is
Speaker 4: what exactly what Scott Adams is.
Speaker 3: He's sort of an engineering brain, a contrarian thinker, and
Speaker 3: so he did sort of wrestle with the risk reward analysis.
Speaker 3: And some people might say that's not authentic. I think
Speaker 3: it was the most authentic way Scott could approach faith
Speaker 3: that he struggled to embrace his whole life. And so
Speaker 3: I would just say welcome, welcome to the fold. You know,
Speaker 3: we're honored to have you, Scott, and you know, may
Speaker 3: you rest in peace, and we expect to see you someday.
Speaker 3: And I hope you say hi to Charlie for us
Speaker 3: up there.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 4: He was the man in the arena. That's all those
Speaker 4: attacks on him. You think of that Theodore Roosevelt quote.
Speaker 4: I know Charlie was a fan of it. It's not
Speaker 4: the critic who counts. It's the man who's in the arena,
Speaker 4: the man who is marred by dust and sweat and blood,
Speaker 4: who strives valiantly, that's the man who matters. And that's
Speaker 4: what he was doing Hm, No, he could be attacked
Speaker 4: by people because he bothered to say something that was
Speaker 4: relevant and controversial period.
Speaker 3: Yep, exactly. And you know, I think it was Matt
Speaker 3: Walsh who said, you know, especially in the aftermath of
Speaker 3: Charlie's death, and he was reflecting on all the attacks
Speaker 3: against Charlie from the left or whatever, and he basically
Speaker 3: was just like, may we all experience may our enemies
Speaker 3: rejoice when we die, because that means we were truly effective.
Speaker 3: And the fact that they just like the pettiness of it,
Speaker 3: I think just makes them disgrace to Dilbert's creator. I
Speaker 3: think it makes them look disgraceful. The only party disgraced
Speaker 3: in this instance is people, all right, that is it?
Speaker 3: The fact that you could just say, Dilbert creator Scott
Speaker 3: Adams dies at sixty eight. Why couldn't you just go
Speaker 3: with that?
Speaker 4: I guess not in famous cartoonist, famous cultural commentator.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean, like for real, and obviously he
Speaker 3: means a lot to a lot of people were mourning
Speaker 3: him the whole you know of exes mourning him. The
Speaker 3: Vice president is sending out tweet there's gonna I feel.
Speaker 4: I feel we're actually under selling this just because it's
Speaker 4: been a long time. And what really made him super
Speaker 4: notable with our faction is in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen,
Speaker 4: he was one of the first guys to really take
Speaker 4: Trump seriously as a as a political candidate who would
Speaker 4: lay out an argument, Okay, what Trump is doing when
Speaker 4: he's on stage where it's unpredictable and silly and he's
Speaker 4: he's saying stuff that seems outlandish, He's actually doing something
Speaker 4: powerfully persuasive to people, and he could win the election
Speaker 4: doing this. And he was just saying this back when
Speaker 4: everyone else on television.
Speaker 3: Was saying, Oh, he's just a dumb clone. It's never
Speaker 3: going to go anywhere.
Speaker 4: He was saying, no, you guys are wrong about this,
Speaker 4: and he put his well, he put his reputation where
Speaker 4: his mouth was, and he was proved right. Trump actually
Speaker 4: did win that election.
Speaker 3: M M yeah, well said, I think you're right. And
Speaker 3: there is kind of this cast of like og Maga originals,
Speaker 3: like the you know, Mike Cernovich's, the Jack Besovics, the
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirks, the Scott Adams, the people that saw early on.
Speaker 4: I don't even know that he was a Trump supporter.
Speaker 4: He was just actually willing to say this guy is
Speaker 4: effective at what he does and it's going to be
Speaker 4: persuasive to people. It was that master persuader line he used.
Speaker 4: I remember that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, no, absolutely, And you know his wife read
Speaker 3: a statement this morning and they did a coffee with
Speaker 3: Scott Adams. You know, after his passing. We had heard
Speaker 3: that he went to hospice, but his wife confirmed that,
Speaker 3: you know, he was of sound mind and that you
Speaker 3: know that he did accept Jesus Christ. And so, you know,
Speaker 3: God blessed Scott, and thank you for your contribution. We
Speaker 3: honor you on this show because we honor brave men
Speaker 3: and women that stand up for what's right. That are
Speaker 3: the men in the arena that do take the slings
Speaker 3: and arrows for the rest of us. Charlie was one
Speaker 3: of these men. Scott was one of these men. And
Speaker 3: you know it, it's really it's really sad to lose
Speaker 3: two great Americans in such quick order. It really is.
Speaker 3: And that was the first thought I had when I
Speaker 3: saw the news this morning, that it breaks my heart
Speaker 3: that we've lost another one. It really does. Because listen,
Speaker 3: people are gonna come and they're gonna fill the ranks.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm loving the you know some of these
Speaker 3: people like Nick Shirley that are coming and doing great things,
Speaker 3: and we want more. We need more in this space.
Speaker 3: We need more sane actors, more rational actors, more persuasive actors,
Speaker 3: and good faith actors. And Scott was one of those
Speaker 3: people that.
Speaker 4: And talented ones soon because he wasn't just a political guy.
Speaker 4: He was a hugely he was he had something funny
Speaker 4: and interesting to say, and millions of people are going
Speaker 4: to remember him for that. Yeah, and that's a good
Speaker 4: thing to aspire to as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: without further ado, we have John Carney, he's the the
Speaker 3: economist editor. I believe I got that right. I was
Speaker 3: I was doing bright Bart Economics editor. There you go
Speaker 3: from from byte Bartnews dot new or bright bart news.
Speaker 3: He has been fantastic on specifically tariffs. But there's other
Speaker 3: economic news we want to get to, but we'll start there. So, John,
Speaker 3: welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's great to
Speaker 3: have you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, thanks for having me back.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. So, you know, Trump has this twenty five
Speaker 3: percent tariff announcement for anybody doing business with Iran. Simultaneously,
Speaker 3: there is a Scotus ruling that we're eagerly awaiting, probably tomorrow,
Speaker 3: whether or not he's even lawfully legally able to do this.
Speaker 3: Give us the update, please, So.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we're waiting and it could come tomorrow. The Supreme
Speaker 8: Court never tells us in advance what decisions are going
Speaker 8: to announce. We think they want to get to this
Speaker 8: one pretty quickly. A lot of people thought it was
Speaker 8: going to be the end of last week or this
Speaker 8: It could be on Wednesday or Thursday, or it could
Speaker 8: be anytime in the next couple of weeks. One of
Speaker 8: the things that Trump's recent tariff announcement don'ty is shows
Speaker 8: how important tariffs can be to foreign polo and this
Speaker 8: is one of the arguments for why the president should
Speaker 8: be able to impose tariffs on countries because it is
Speaker 8: really important to our attempt to try to contain Iran
Speaker 8: and to use the US's consumer market, which everybody in
Speaker 8: the world.
Speaker 2: Wants access to.
Speaker 8: To discipline the rest of the world. If you're going
Speaker 8: to do business with Iran, you're going to have to
Speaker 8: pay a lot.
Speaker 2: Higher tariff to sell your stuff into the US.
Speaker 8: I think that's it actually really does strengthen his position
Speaker 8: that this is a core part of a president's ability
Speaker 8: to deal with the rest of the world, a core
Speaker 8: foreign policy power.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it strikes me John is this kind of like
Speaker 3: Trump's this this maverick. He's creative with the way he
Speaker 3: approaches foreign policy, and he implements these new techniques. They're
Speaker 3: not new, but certainly in modern American especially presidential history,
Speaker 3: he's using them in ways others haven't really done before.
Speaker 3: And he's being more public about it. He's being more
Speaker 3: brashed about it. And because he's he's been creative with
Speaker 3: how he's wielded tariffs, he's now getting pumped public punished
Speaker 3: for it. They're coming after him saying, well, now we
Speaker 3: want to take that away from you, because you're doing
Speaker 3: it in a way that we hadn't thought about before,
Speaker 3: and so we just want to punp punish Trump. But
Speaker 3: to your point, what happens if the Supreme Court rules
Speaker 3: against the Trump administration in this particular case. I've seen
Speaker 3: some reports that we have to pay back upwards of
Speaker 3: three hundred billion dollars in tariff revenue. Is this even feasible?
Speaker 3: Is as possible? Is this going to happen?
Speaker 8: I don't think the Supreme Court is likely to order
Speaker 8: the US government to pay back hundreds of billions in tariffs,
Speaker 8: which is one of the reasons. Look, I listened to
Speaker 8: the oral arguments the uh they were sup The justices
Speaker 8: were super skeptical about whether or not Trump really does
Speaker 8: have the statutory authority because, as you point out, there's
Speaker 8: not a lot of precedent for this. The law that
Speaker 8: they're using, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act is people
Speaker 8: call it AEPA, has never been.
Speaker 2: Used to impose tariffs.
Speaker 8: Ironically, everybody agrees that the president could sanction a country.
Speaker 8: You could even embargo countries. You can say you can't
Speaker 8: sell anything. But apparently their theory is that you can
Speaker 8: say you can completely shut off a country from access
Speaker 8: to the US market, but you can't charge a ten
Speaker 8: percent tariff for them to be able to sell into
Speaker 8: the US market. That seems wrong to me. But the
Speaker 8: Supreme Court was skeptical that Trump has this much authority.
Speaker 8: I don't think they rule that he has that it
Speaker 8: all has to be paid back from the US Treasury.
Speaker 8: I think what they're most likely to do is come
Speaker 8: to some sort of compromise where they say, yes, the
Speaker 8: President can impose some tariffs, and but there's a you know,
Speaker 8: they might make up a time limit. It's called the
Speaker 8: Emergency Powers Act. So maybe they say an emergency can't
Speaker 8: last forever, so you have a year. So that would
Speaker 8: mean we could keep all the tariffs we have, and
Speaker 8: it gives the Trump administration some time to There's a
Speaker 8: lot of other statutes that allow the president to impost
Speaker 8: tterff So if these ones get struck down or get
Speaker 8: time limited, I think President Trump can come back with
Speaker 8: other ways of going of erecting terriffs. And frankly, I
Speaker 8: think the US Senate and the House should if the
Speaker 8: Supreme Court decides this, should actually just completely reverse it
Speaker 8: and say no, we think the president does need this power.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't there. I mean, pushback even from the
Speaker 3: Republican side of the aisle, there was Ram Paul, I believe,
Speaker 3: Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski. The question then becomes, you know,
Speaker 3: you've kind of got these these tricky Republicans in the
Speaker 3: Senate that we're not so we talk about this when
Speaker 3: we're discussing NUK the filibuster, for example, you've still got
Speaker 3: Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, Ram Paul, and Mitch McConnell. That
Speaker 3: puts you at forty nine. You're not even at that
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty mark. So Jadvance can cast a tie
Speaker 3: breaking vote. You got to get one of those those
Speaker 3: tricky senators on board. And then you got Tom Tellis,
Speaker 3: who knows what's happening with him right now. He's he's
Speaker 3: causing a stink with the Fed.
Speaker 8: So traditionally you had a lot of Democrats who would
Speaker 8: vote in favor of tariffs and supporting tariffs. There may
Speaker 8: still be some hiding out there. The question is whether
Speaker 8: or not, like their Trump derangement syndrome has overtaken what
Speaker 8: used to be their loyalty to the you know, to
Speaker 8: American labor and to the working class. Maybe it has,
Speaker 8: and maybe they cannot as a Democrat bring themselves to
Speaker 8: vote for a you know, and a teriff authority for Trump.
Speaker 8: But they should, it's good for working Americans, and Democrats
Speaker 8: constantly claim that's who they're protecting, and so you know
Speaker 8: the fact that they won't that would be a revealing moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree. I totally agree, John. And you've
Speaker 3: got core consumer prices rise less than expected, so CORSEPI
Speaker 3: is less than expected. You've got what was it a
Speaker 3: four point I forget now four point nine number that
Speaker 3: we got the revision for Q three. And you know,
Speaker 3: you've even got the Atlanta Fed saying that we're expecting
Speaker 3: five point three percent GDP growth in Q four. Potentially
Speaker 3: that's their estimate, might be high, whatever, But the point is,
Speaker 3: it seems like the economic indicators are all going in
Speaker 3: the right direction right now. Part of the reason that
Speaker 3: is is because the doomsdays about tariffs have been proven
Speaker 3: wrong again and again and again.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, absolutely been proven wrong. Look, unemployment fell, inflation
Speaker 8: is much lower than anybody expected. The economy is growing
Speaker 8: at rates much faster than any expected. I think that
Speaker 8: everybody's got this wrong when they said that the terriffs
Speaker 8: were going to somehow derail the economy or push up prices.
Speaker 8: The opposite has happened. We're having an investment boom in America.
Speaker 8: The news is good. The Trump administration needs to get
Speaker 8: that news out there, but frankly, I think it's going
Speaker 8: to get out to the American people because you just
Speaker 8: need to drive by.
Speaker 2: A gas station and see that.
Speaker 8: The Biden inflation crisis is in our rearview mirror and
Speaker 8: what's ahead, what's in our front, what's in front of
Speaker 8: us is very good.
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Speaker 3: Facts Facts one of his best takes. John Carney, Uh,
Speaker 3: you're with us here. We're reacting to all the news here.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of economic news. It is Breipbart economics
Speaker 3: editor John. So this this, you know, the chicken littles,
Speaker 3: the sky is falling economists. They have been proven wrong,
Speaker 3: but they're still going after it. They're keep saying. There
Speaker 3: was reports this morning saying that you know, his his
Speaker 3: fed approach has already been proven wrong. Can you describe
Speaker 3: this story? You know, so Judge Janine, I call her
Speaker 3: judge Janine. Still so she's got charges or she's indicting
Speaker 3: Jerome Powell. Some of these corruption allegations about the federal
Speaker 3: building that he's been constructing for years, they call him
Speaker 3: too late pale. Just give us the lowdown here with
Speaker 3: with Jerome Pape.
Speaker 8: So what what happened is Jerome Powell did something unprecedented.
Speaker 8: On Sunday night, he posted a video in which he
Speaker 8: said that he has received subpoenas from the Justice Department,
Speaker 8: and he went far beyond denying having done anything wrong
Speaker 8: with the renovation of what people are calling the FED Mahal,
Speaker 8: this two point five billion dollar renovation to their headquarters.
Speaker 8: He and he denied, and he went beyond denying misleading
Speaker 8: a Senate panel when he testified about it, he actually
Speaker 8: accused the Trump administration of using this inquiry into these
Speaker 8: matters to trying to subvert the independence of the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 8: He has no evidence of that at all, and in fact,
Speaker 8: the President immediately said no, that we're not doing that.
Speaker 8: Judge Janine Jeanine Piro, who is the US Attorney for
Speaker 8: the District of Columbia, said that's not what's happening. What
Speaker 8: happened was we had a bunch of questions about the renovation.
Speaker 8: We tried to get the Fed to answer them. They
Speaker 8: wouldn't answer the questions, which is outrageous for any part
Speaker 8: of the government to not answer inquiries from the Department
Speaker 8: of Justice, and so we had to issue subpoenas she
Speaker 8: put it out that they haven't indicted anyone. What they
Speaker 8: are doing is just seeking answers to questions. Powell escalated
Speaker 8: this into eight crisis, and then you had, you know,
Speaker 8: the legacy media freak out act like you know, Donald
Speaker 8: you know again, sort of Trump arrangement syndrome. Assuming the
Speaker 8: worst possible interpretation of this, that Donald Trump was using
Speaker 8: the Justice Department to go after Powell to try to
Speaker 8: seize control of the FED. None of that is happening,
Speaker 8: And in fact, that's one of the reasons the markets
Speaker 8: have reacted to this so calmly, because people aren't seeing
Speaker 8: this as a power grab by Trump. They're seeing it
Speaker 8: as actually a very aggressive move by Powell. Look, Powell
Speaker 8: is out.
Speaker 2: Of office as chairman in May.
Speaker 8: Trump doesn't need to go after anybody. He gets to
Speaker 8: appoint the next guy. So the idea that like Trump
Speaker 8: would use the Justice Department to pursue put now doesn't
Speaker 8: really make any sense, and that doesn't appear to be
Speaker 8: what happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Trump, thank you for that explanation. That's actually
Speaker 3: really clarifying. Trump is touring a Ford factory right now.
Speaker 3: He's kind of touting domestic manufacturing, So we hear this
Speaker 3: number a lot, John about how many trillions of dollars
Speaker 3: of investment foreign direct investment business is investing in the
Speaker 3: United States. Again, Scott Besson has said that we twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five was setting the table. Twenty twenty six is
Speaker 3: the banquet and the feast. How true is that going
Speaker 3: to be? What can we expect? What are you looking
Speaker 3: at as far as growth rates in twenty twenty six
Speaker 3: Because I'm thinking about midterms, so I want to I
Speaker 3: want to know are we going to make the deadline?
Speaker 3: Are people going to feel it financially before the midterms?
Speaker 8: I do think they will. In fact, if you if
Speaker 8: you look at the growth rate we had three point
Speaker 8: eight then four point one. Is three point eight in
Speaker 8: the second tour, in the second quarter, three four point
Speaker 8: one in the second or the third now and now
Speaker 8: it looks like we may be growing again. That Atlanta
Speaker 8: fat as you mentioned, says above five percent. That seems
Speaker 8: probably an overestimation to me, but we're certainly growing at
Speaker 8: a very rapid rate. The American people will feel this.
Speaker 8: One of the probably the biggest way they'll feel this
Speaker 8: is in their wages going.
Speaker 2: Up much faster than inflation.
Speaker 8: That's great because it means people have more purchasing power.
Speaker 2: It means that.
Speaker 8: Things that they need to buy become more affordable. We're
Speaker 8: also seeing the price of energy, particularly gasoline, come down dramatically.
Speaker 8: That will also help a lot going into the mid terms.
Speaker 8: It is one of gasoline is one of those things
Speaker 8: that people really get upset about. I think the relief
Speaker 8: on the energy side will actually and then that filters
Speaker 8: into all sorts of products you buy, so I think
Speaker 8: that will indeed actually help us grow really rapidly going
Speaker 8: into this new year. We sort of have this momentum
Speaker 8: built up from twenty twenty five twenty twenty six, looks
Speaker 8: like it's going to be even stronger.
Speaker 3: John Carney, great work as always. We'll see what happens
Speaker 3: with Scotus on the tariff rulings. But it's good to
Speaker 3: hear that President Trump and the Trump administration have outs
Speaker 3: other levers they can pull to kind of exert their
Speaker 3: teriff agenda, because I think it's actually really important from
Speaker 3: a foreign policy also a domestic policy standpoint. Thank you
Speaker 3: for adding a lot of light, a lot of clarity.
Speaker 3: Thank you, John Carney, Thanks for having you guys. Absolutely
Speaker 3: I have be back on again soon because I think
Speaker 3: this issue is not going away anytime soon.
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