WEBVTT - The Epstein Documents: What Still Doesn’t Make Sense ft. Mike Benz 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:06.360 My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:09.960 American student organization in the country, fighting for the future 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.360 of our republic. My call is to fight evil and 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.520 to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:19.919 is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.200 if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.400 up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.600 stop sending your kids to college. You should get married 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.160 as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:33.280 Go start at turning point, you would say, college chapter. 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.599 Go start attning point, you say, high school chapter. 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Mike Ben's has been he just had a 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:24.000 tour to fource on Joe Rogan. Three hours with the 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:28.280 Great Joe Rogan, all about Epstein. So much to get into. 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.119 We of course had Jay Beecher on the show yesterday. 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:33.920 I loved that interview. I actually think it was a 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:39.400 sobering kind of analysis of six years of investigative investigative journalism. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.679 But Mike Benz has different insights, He's seeing different things, 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.280 and I want to make sure that we approximate the 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:49.800 truth here by getting Mike Benz's insights in the mix. So, 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.240 without further ado, Mike, welcome back to the show. It's 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:53.000 great to have you. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:54.520 Thanks, thanks for having me. Guys. 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:56.840 Yeah, well I was talking to you a bit offline. 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.320 The reason I want to wanted to have you on 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.960 is because there is so much to the Epstein dump. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.360 There's three million documents. It's impossible for one most recent one, Yeah, 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.080 to get to get the whole scope of what's happening here. 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:15.000 And you you've been making headlines here. We've got clips 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.400 from your Rogan interview that we're going to play. You 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.760 made a lot of news in general. Just let's start 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.000 at the beginning. What do you think that we learned 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.920 from this? Has it added contours to your understanding? The 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:28.720 floor is yours? 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.160 Oh, an unbelievable amount has been turned up in this. 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:36.480 It's I guess, the way I describe it is it's 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:41.320 shocking but not surprising. I don't think there's anything in 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:46.600 here that has surprised me, but it still is very 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:52.080 shocking to see the details laid out. And it also confirms, 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:56.359 in my view, essentially from almost every angle, the way 0:02:56.400 --> 0:03:02.040 that I've tried to prescribe people or prescribe people to 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:09.560 view Epstein in context, to sort of understand the Epstein 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.920 cinematic universe beyond a lot of the kind of simple, 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:18.480 easy to grasp onto things or the things that he 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:22.280 was arrested for. In my view, understanding the character of 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:26.440 Epstein helps understand the world around you and the role 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:31.160 that he played, because there's a little visage of Epstein 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:38.160 in almost every industry, every government, every intelligence service, every 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.680 private investment fund, and so you know what we're getting 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:47.720 are to know something for a fact versus two have 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:54.560 a constellation of circumstantial evidence is a very different thing. 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.680 You know, many of the allegations around Epstein until this 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:06.600 point involved highly compelling, circumstantial evidence, but so much that 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.920 has turned up in these files has just been, you 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:14.400 know what you'd call in an evidentiary proceeding a direct evidence. 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:18.000 That is, it's not oh, we think that he was 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:22.680 talking to x or Y because he talked to thirteen 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:25.440 of his associates and there's a rumor going around and 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.599 someone said that he did. Now you have a direct 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:34.279 email or you have a direct you know, a direct 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.000 audio file that says x or Y. We can get 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.479 in all the specifics of what all those things are, 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.560 because there's frankly three million of them. But you know, 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.240 I can either turn to that or you guys want 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:48.920 to go in a different direction. I be leave it 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:49.599 to you, so. 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:50.760 I'll be honest. 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.880 One of the things that I was challenging Jay Beecher 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:58.000 a phenomenal interview. I encourage everybody to go watch it 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.359 and listen to it. But one of the things that 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:04.440 I just couldn't shake was this sense that I've had 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:08.200 that he was an Intel asset, or he was working 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:13.320 with CIA, with with Massad whatever, and he seemed to 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.800 be thinking that, you know, those claims had been overblown. 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:17.920 Yet why would he work with Massad if he could 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.560 just call a hud Barack or why you know he yes, 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.360 yes he was involved, but it was it was softer, 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.880 it was more kind of veiled in business transactions or whatever. 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:28.960 I just couldn't shake it. And I kept pushing him 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.680 on that. And I've seen that you've kind of been 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:35.320 going into this. You know, there's this email Robert Maxwell 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:39.240 Gallane's Maxwell apparently threatened Massad, and you've kind of gone 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.520 into some of this. But but there's so much there 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.880 and I just want to let you make those connections 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.840 if they're there, if that if it's true, because I 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.479 just I feel that it that there's got to be 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:51.159 a there there. 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.360 Well, I was laughing because when you said I couldn't 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.719 help shake shake the feeling, I thought, well, you don't say, 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.679 I mean this is a this is a ad week 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:06.280 to be a Epstein intelligence denialist. I'll give you some 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.880 We'll start with the US side of it. One of 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.919 the things that turned up in these documents that I 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:19.240 again shocked but not surprised, is Epstein foyd the Central 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:25.920 Intelligence Agency twice for records about himself, first in nineteen 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:31.480 ninety nine and then again in twenty eleven. Now, Andrew Blake, 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.280 have you, guys, have you ever if you're a foid 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:39.800 the CIA to see any any CIA records about yourself? 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.720 It has that that wouldn't even occur to me to 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:45.000 contemplate that as an option. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.640 You know, I guess, but I'm also not a billionaire either, 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.000 or a cent a millionaire cent a millionaire. 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:56.560 Okay, Well, would you request for any quote open or 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.000 acknowledged agency affiliations? 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.320 So that was okay, Just so I'm understanding, Mike, he 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.640 this is in nineteen ninety did you say in nineteen 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:05.640 ninety one or two thousand and one? 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.919 Nineteen ninety nineteen nineties, two years before he became a 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:10.840 public figure, right, Okay. At that point, he was still 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:15.560 a private citizen, not publicly known, not written about in 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.520 the mainstream news. It wasn't until two thousand and one, 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.600 in two thousand and two, when he began flying the 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:26.200 most recent President of the United States, Bill Clinton, around 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:31.280 in Africa on his private jet, that the media started 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.960 to take interest in him. So he was still basically 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:40.480 a private operative who basically two years before he became 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.880 a public figure. First asked the CIA if there were 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:51.200 any open or acknowledged links agency affiliations. What's also interesting 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:55.680 is the CIA, we actually don't have exactly what he 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.480 asked the CIA, even though I think we should and 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:00.640 I know that we are entitled to it. And now 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.480 I'm happy to report that after I made a bit 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.960 of a crusade about this, multiple people have now filed 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:10.160 foyas to the CIA to get Jeffrey Epstein's correspondence with 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:15.520 the CIA, which is not classified because Foyer requests at 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.320 the CIA are not. Now, the CI is obviously not 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.640 allowed to tell you, by virtue of it being a 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:26.000 spy agency, any classified records that it has, but for example, 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.600 it can send you declassified records, or if the CIA 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.960 has acknowledged any links to a particular individual, it can 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.400 send you the records on those. But what's interesting about 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.880 that CIA letter is it says, with respect to your 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:42.560 request about open or acknowledged links we have conducted that 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:48.400 we grant the request for documents. We have searched for documents. 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:52.600 No documents are responsive to that. With respect to the 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:58.000 portion of your Foyer request that touched on classified matters, 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.719 we can neither confirm nor deny the existence or non 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.800 existence of such documents, which means that Jeffrey Epstein not 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:08.160 only asked for open and acknowledge agency links, but also 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:12.440 asked something about himself that was classified. Now, for what 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.480 it's worth, that is the same stock response you get 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:19.600 when you ask the CIA for CIA personnel files. 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.760 That is, so he's not yet a public person and 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:28.640 he foias the CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency, asking for 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.520 what it has on him. Basically yes, And we don't 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.040 know exactly how he stated his question or what he 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.800 included in that, but we do know that it touched 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:43.080 on classified documents because the CIA's response was, you know, 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:47.880 regarding that specific line of questioning, we can confirm no divine. 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.240 That is really shocking. Actually, that's a bumper. 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:55.920 And what's very exciting is is in less, unless the 0:09:56.040 --> 0:10:00.400 law is not followed, and the Justice Department does not 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.559 come down on the agency for not following the law. 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.920 If it doesn't follow it, we are legally entitled to 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:12.600 actually see the correspondence between the seat because they left 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.560 a in the Epstein files, And none of this was 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:19.760 known until last week. That again in nineteen ninety nine, 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.040 and then again in twenty eleven, sent an identical request. 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:27.040 And now this is before again the twenty nineteen rearrest. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.680 But there's a case reference number, so we know they 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:30.680 have the files. 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.520 All right, Mike Ben's I have a co host here. 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.840 Blake Blake was. I could see his mind thinking he 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.600 went to Dartmouth. He's a very smart guy. 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:44.720 So Mike, we've spawn over. Yeah, Blake over his theories 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.000 on a lot of things. Yeah, Blake, Blake was not 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.760 all about. Blake had an incredulous look on his face. 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.600 Someone can throw it to Blake. What were you thinking, Blake? Well, 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:56.400 I guess I'm just thinking. I just it strikes me 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:01.959 as innately implausible that Epps like that. The reveal that 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.520 Jeffrey Epstein is an intelligence asset is that he foiled 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:06.640 himself at the CIA. 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.800 I guess I would he do that? Like, why would 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:09.320 he do that? 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.080 If the CIA needed to hide anything, why would they 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:16.160 get outed by their legalistic response to a Foyer request. 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.040 I think there's like a lot of ways that could 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.280 get around them. Well, I just find it unlikely. 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.199 Okay, it's done through the Blake, it was done through 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:27.200 the Privacy Act, meaning there was no public alert. We 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.960 only know about this because it's in the FBI file. 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.600 This was. This is a way, if you go through 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.880 the Privacy Act, you can see what records there that 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:41.400 are publicly searchable about you without it being revealed to 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.360 the public, so that you can see what other people 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.120 would get if they were to do that same FOI. 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:51.240 In theory, anyone could do a FOYA about Jeffrey Epstein. 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.080 But if you do it through the Privacy Act, you 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.240 get it, and you get it alone, and it's kept 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.320 us a private corresponse between you and your lawyer. 0:11:58.520 --> 0:11:59.160 That's smart mic. 0:11:59.280 --> 0:11:59.679 That's how it was. 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.120 So you know, I learned this yesterday. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:05.480 I know this is public information, but it's one of 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.400 those pieces of the Epstein saga that people forget that 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:12.120 he was arrested either in the late eighties or early nineties, 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:16.920 and his partner went to prison for it. Anyway, I'm 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:17.520 just saying, like. 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:21.120 He skated free. You're talking about the Towers financial collapse, yes, 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:25.520 which at the time was the biggest Ponzi scheme rejectively 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:29.840 in US history at that time. But Epstein is a 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:34.400 Ware's Waldough figure. I make the argument that Epstein's intelligence 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:39.800 adjacency started in nineteen seventy eight, nineteen seventy nine. There's 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.520 kind of a Forest Gump story around this. When he 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:47.280 worked at bear Stearns. Bear Stearns was one of the 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:51.120 top three largest clearing houses of the BCCI bank that 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:55.719 was the CIA's bank. It went down in flames in 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:59.079 nineteen ninety when Bill Barr effectively covered it up. He 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.640 wrote the pardons for the six BCCI officials as the 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:05.040 Bank of Credit and Commerce International that was the CI's 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:09.880 bank for laundering basically gun and drug money to the 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:14.040 Musjahdeen in Afghanistan. And you have to understand, in nineteen 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:18.600 seventy nine, the Iranian Revolution happened at the very moment 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.680 that the CIA was at its weakest because of the 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.920 Church Committee hearings in the Halloween massacre, and the CIA 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:29.880 was setting up a complex offshore intelligence web through a 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:32.960 network that's called the Safari Club, the Mount Kenya Safari 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:37.360 Club that was run by Odnan Kashogi, the largest arms 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.439 deal in the world, who was the Saudi middleman between 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:45.000 the US and Israel during the Iran Kantra affair. Odnan 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:49.880 Kashogi was Jeffrey Epstein's client when he started Intercontinental Assets 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:54.440 Group in nineteen eighty one, after the sec investigation of 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:59.400 him at bear Stearns for handling Edgar Bromfman's money on 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:04.400 a deal involving Saint Joe's mineral company that Edgar Brockman 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:10.240 was played a very senior role in policy. Was he 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:14.800 was the head of the Oh my gosh, I don't know, 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:15.800 I'm blank on the name, but. 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:16.720 It's h he was. 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:20.680 He was ahead of a of a major international Jewish 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:25.000 advocacy group that played an effective kind of shadow state 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.120 department role in many aspects of the Iran War. The 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:34.560 Reagan administration had this Iran contra operation that involved effectively 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:40.360 the US and Brits getting money, getting guns to Iran 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.920 to fend off Iraq and doing it through Israel with 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.120 Saudi Arabia as the middleman. And it's at this time 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:51.880 while bear Stearns is laundering money effectively in a CIA 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:56.280 gun running operation. This is you have to keep in mind. 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.320 Also there was an international arms in bargo on Iran 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.280 at the time, so that was illegal to do. And 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:07.040 I find the Nicaragua side of that, the gun running 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.480 to the Nicaraguins with the skin interesting because Jeffrey Epstein 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:14.760 had a very lurid history in South American affairs. For example, 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.440 when Glenn Maxwell was asked by Todd Blanche in her 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:23.360 DOJ interview last year to give an example of Jeffrey 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:28.160 Epstein's business transactions, she could only think of one example 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.880 to illustrate it, and that was, imagine, if the Sinaloa 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:37.120 cartel was owed money by the Los Zetas cartel or 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:42.280 a rival cartel, and they needed a way to trace 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:46.880 the assets of the other cartel to get the money back, 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.920 they would hire some they would hire Jeffrey, and Jeffrey 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.280 would take a ten percent cut, a five to ten 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.440 percent cut of the money. I just find that interesting 0:15:55.520 --> 0:16:01.760 because we're only thirteen years removed, fourteen years removed or 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.200 so from the Fast and Furious operation when the Obama 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:10.160 White House greenlit in operation to run guns to the 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:13.440 Sineloa cartel so that they could win a gang war 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:17.720 against the Los Adas who were cutting into effectively US 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.640 pipeline interests in Mexico. But the fact is, you need 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.680 to find you need to explain how Jeffrey Epstein, before 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:27.520 the age of thirty, had so many high profile clients 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.800 stretching from the Middle East to France, to the UK. 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:38.280 To these high level contacts in Israel. That makes sense 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:42.320 given the fundamental constraints on someone who's twenty nine to 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:46.640 thirty years old from handling being competent enough to handle 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:50.320 billionaire's money. And the fact is is the fact that 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:52.960 he worked on those deals, the fact that he was 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:56.400 flying back and forth cross country to visit Doug Lease 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.960 at that time, who was the main British arms dealer 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:03.280 involved in Iran contra, the fact that he was living 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.560 at the time with Stanley Pottinger, who was the Sea 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:09.959 i's mop up man, who literally also got investigated by 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:14.440 the FBI for running those same guns to Iran. 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It's truly truly amazing 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:53.880 and So if I'm gonna sum up what you were 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.440 getting at, and I was taking notes, I was trying 0:18:56.480 --> 0:19:00.200 to track each piece. You only fought Foya yourself off 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.119 with the CIA. If you've got a lot of reason 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.240 to believe that they've either got stuff on you, they've 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:08.919 got personnel files on you, whatever. When you've got all 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.480 these the smoke, there's got to be fire with all 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.959 these connections. All these connections are ron Nik rouguill whatever, 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:20.480 all these relationships, it has to mean something. This can't 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.880 just be pure coincidence. It wasn't just like a good, 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:27.040 good party boy that liked to hang out with Prince Andrew. 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.359 Like, there's more going on here. 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:34.119 So you're touching on the American side, are there connections 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:38.080 that you would draw with Massad or Israeli intelligence? 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.199 What about Russia? Russian intelligence? 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:44.880 Well? Absolutely, and these are all linked. So, as I mentioned, 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:49.080 Jeffrey Epstein was handling the money for the CIA's point 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:53.800 person between the US and Israel. In nineteen eighty three, 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:59.680 when odd non Koshogi, Epstein's client flies to Washington, d C. 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.080 To meet with Robert McFarlane, the National Security Advisor, to 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:08.720 plan this operation and that itself would be something I 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.800 would think the crucial middleman who was also rumored at 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:13.760 the time to be the world's richest person and who 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:18.560 earned more in odd non koshogi. Yes, of course, But 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:21.959 the point is at that point that was a coordination 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:26.919 between American intelligence and Israeli intelligence. Who was running Israeli 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.600 military intelligence at that time from nineteen eighty three to 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.879 nineteen eighty five, it was a hood Barack. The hood Barack, 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:38.080 even before this week's drop, had been documented something like 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:42.160 forty seven times at Jeffrey Epstein's house, and we're business 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:47.240 partners on carbine nine to one one and did business 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:53.679 deals together in everywhere from Mongolia to Cote Devoir to 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:59.960 a hood Barack seeking Jeffrey Epstein's council for how to 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:05.040 evade sanctions on Russia after the twenty fourteen crimea affair. 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:09.200 But the fact is is what these new revelations show 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:16.720 is a much much deeper and complete overlap for many 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.280 years between Epstein and Barack in a way that is 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:22.399 really interesting. I'll give you an example one of the 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:25.080 things that surfaced here and that I blew up. I 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:26.800 think it's sitting at about six and a half million 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:32.399 views right now, is Jeffrey Epstein's secretly recording hod Barock 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.720 during a three hour conversation they had while Hudbarock was 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:40.640 the sitting Minister of Defense. Now now understand Hubarock went 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:44.639 from running Israel's most elite covert commando unit to running 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:49.360 Israeli military intelligence to becoming the Prime Minister of Israel, 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:54.120 who Massad reports directly to. Massad is structured to sit 0:21:54.760 --> 0:22:01.040 in the Prime Minister's office effectively answers directly to and 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:04.480 so it's not structured quite the same way as RCIA. 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:08.440 And then Hudbarock became effectively the equivalent of the head 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.879 of our Pentagon, which means constant coordination with Masad. But 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:16.920 it's also more he's more closely affiliated with AMAN, which 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:20.240 is Israeli military intelligence, and the fact that he was 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:23.320 the head of it while that this is also you 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:25.439 see Epstein so involved in the arms trade, both in 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:28.800 the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, the UK and always working 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:31.520 with these arms dealers. But what I'm getting at is, 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:36.879 in this conversation, Hoodbarock is one month before he leaves 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:40.080 office as the head of Israel's military and he's looking 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:42.640 to make it big in the private sector. So Epstein 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:45.639 records under the Table. I guess the FBI is a 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:49.200 three hour recording of this, a three hour coaching session 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:55.199 where Jeffrey Epstein instructs Hudbarock on how to convert his 0:22:56.320 --> 0:23:01.159 lifetime of accumulated government power into getting on the outside 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:04.359 within private business. And what he tells a who Barak 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:10.199 is stop focusing on your you know, skills, your military 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:14.520 background and the things you've accomplished. That doesn't that's not 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:16.280 going to get you money. That's not why people are 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:18.560 going to pay you. What you need to do is 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:22.760 compile a list of people who owe you something. I 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:27.439 owe yous think people who owe you favors. Now is 0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:31.399 the time to call in those favors. And what I 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:34.800 find so fascinating about this is one, you know, on 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:37.800 the one hand, someone who's worked in these kind of 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:42.919 Israeli military and intelligence adjacent networks for forty years is 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:48.359 now literally helping that person cash in on the outside. 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:52.800 But it also shows a kind of the mercenary aspect 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:57.159 of Epstein's operation. He was secretly recording the head of 0:23:57.200 --> 0:24:01.080 the Israeli military, not the other way, which I just 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:03.439 think is kind of an interesting. 0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:07.159 But isn't that a point kind of against some of this? 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:08.920 I guess it just it seems like. 0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:13.080 So much of the argument that he's running this masterful 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:17.320 blackmail rings or is part of all this intel stuff 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:20.880 is presumably that stuff would be well hidden, and yet 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:24.160 so much of this is actually quite public, somewhat glaring. 0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:27.280 And then once we also start digging out stuff that 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:30.640