1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: American student organization in the country, fighting for the future 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: of our republic. My call is to fight evil and 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: stop sending your kids to college. 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The Charlie Kirk Show 19 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: is proudly sponsored by Preserved Gold, leading gold and silver 20 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: experts and the only precious metals company. I recommend to 21 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: my family, friends and viewers. 22 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. 23 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: Our two of the Charlie Kirk Show is underway, and 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 3: I am very excited about this conversation with the Great 25 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: Mike Bens. Mike Ben's has been he just had a 26 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 3: tour to fource on Joe Rogan. Three hours with the 27 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 3: Great Joe Rogan, all about Epstein. So much to get into. 28 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 3: We of course had Jay Beecher on the show yesterday. 29 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 3: I loved that interview. I actually think it was a 30 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 3: sobering kind of analysis of six years of investigative investigative journalism. 31 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 3: But Mike Benz has different insights, He's seeing different things, 32 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 3: and I want to make sure that we approximate the 33 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 3: truth here by getting Mike Benz's insights in the mix. So, 34 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 3: without further ado, Mike, welcome back to the show. It's 35 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: great to have you. 36 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 4: Thanks, thanks for having me. Guys. 37 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I was talking to you a bit offline. 38 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: The reason I want to wanted to have you on 39 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 3: is because there is so much to the Epstein dump. 40 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 3: There's three million documents. It's impossible for one most recent one, Yeah, 41 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 3: to get to get the whole scope of what's happening here. 42 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: And you you've been making headlines here. We've got clips 43 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: from your Rogan interview that we're going to play. You 44 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: made a lot of news in general. Just let's start 45 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 3: at the beginning. What do you think that we learned 46 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 3: from this? Has it added contours to your understanding? The 47 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: floor is yours? 48 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 4: Oh, an unbelievable amount has been turned up in this. 49 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 4: It's I guess, the way I describe it is it's 50 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 4: shocking but not surprising. I don't think there's anything in 51 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 4: here that has surprised me, but it still is very 52 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 4: shocking to see the details laid out. And it also confirms, 53 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 4: in my view, essentially from almost every angle, the way 54 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 4: that I've tried to prescribe people or prescribe people to 55 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 4: view Epstein in context, to sort of understand the Epstein 56 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 4: cinematic universe beyond a lot of the kind of simple, 57 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 4: easy to grasp onto things or the things that he 58 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 4: was arrested for. In my view, understanding the character of 59 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 4: Epstein helps understand the world around you and the role 60 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 4: that he played, because there's a little visage of Epstein 61 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 4: in almost every industry, every government, every intelligence service, every 62 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 4: private investment fund, and so you know what we're getting 63 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 4: are to know something for a fact versus two have 64 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 4: a constellation of circumstantial evidence is a very different thing. 65 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 4: You know, many of the allegations around Epstein until this 66 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 4: point involved highly compelling, circumstantial evidence, but so much that 67 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 4: has turned up in these files has just been, you 68 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 4: know what you'd call in an evidentiary proceeding a direct evidence. 69 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 4: That is, it's not oh, we think that he was 70 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 4: talking to x or Y because he talked to thirteen 71 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 4: of his associates and there's a rumor going around and 72 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 4: someone said that he did. Now you have a direct 73 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 4: email or you have a direct you know, a direct 74 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 4: audio file that says x or Y. We can get 75 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 4: in all the specifics of what all those things are, 76 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 4: because there's frankly three million of them. But you know, 77 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 4: I can either turn to that or you guys want 78 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 4: to go in a different direction. I be leave it 79 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 4: to you, so. 80 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: I'll be honest. 81 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: One of the things that I was challenging Jay Beecher 82 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: a phenomenal interview. I encourage everybody to go watch it 83 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 3: and listen to it. But one of the things that 84 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 3: I just couldn't shake was this sense that I've had 85 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 3: that he was an Intel asset, or he was working 86 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: with CIA, with with Massad whatever, and he seemed to 87 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 3: be thinking that, you know, those claims had been overblown. 88 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 3: Yet why would he work with Massad if he could 89 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: just call a hud Barack or why you know he yes, 90 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 3: yes he was involved, but it was it was softer, 91 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: it was more kind of veiled in business transactions or whatever. 92 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: I just couldn't shake it. And I kept pushing him 93 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 3: on that. And I've seen that you've kind of been 94 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: going into this. You know, there's this email Robert Maxwell 95 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 3: Gallane's Maxwell apparently threatened Massad, and you've kind of gone 96 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 3: into some of this. But but there's so much there 97 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 3: and I just want to let you make those connections 98 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 3: if they're there, if that if it's true, because I 99 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 3: just I feel that it that there's got to be 100 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 3: a there there. 101 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 4: Well, I was laughing because when you said I couldn't 102 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 4: help shake shake the feeling, I thought, well, you don't say, 103 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,679 Speaker 4: I mean this is a this is a ad week 104 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 4: to be a Epstein intelligence denialist. I'll give you some 105 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 4: We'll start with the US side of it. One of 106 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 4: the things that turned up in these documents that I 107 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 4: again shocked but not surprised, is Epstein foyd the Central 108 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 4: Intelligence Agency twice for records about himself, first in nineteen 109 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 4: ninety nine and then again in twenty eleven. Now, Andrew Blake, 110 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 4: have you, guys, have you ever if you're a foid 111 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 4: the CIA to see any any CIA records about yourself? 112 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 3: It has that that wouldn't even occur to me to 113 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: contemplate that as an option. 114 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 5: You know, I guess, but I'm also not a billionaire either, 115 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 5: or a cent a millionaire cent a millionaire. 116 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 4: Okay, Well, would you request for any quote open or 117 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 4: acknowledged agency affiliations? 118 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: So that was okay, Just so I'm understanding, Mike, he 119 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: this is in nineteen ninety did you say in nineteen 120 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: ninety one or two thousand and one? 121 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety nineteen nineties, two years before he became a 122 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 4: public figure, right, Okay. At that point, he was still 123 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 4: a private citizen, not publicly known, not written about in 124 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 4: the mainstream news. It wasn't until two thousand and one, 125 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 4: in two thousand and two, when he began flying the 126 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 4: most recent President of the United States, Bill Clinton, around 127 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 4: in Africa on his private jet, that the media started 128 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 4: to take interest in him. So he was still basically 129 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 4: a private operative who basically two years before he became 130 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 4: a public figure. First asked the CIA if there were 131 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 4: any open or acknowledged links agency affiliations. What's also interesting 132 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 4: is the CIA, we actually don't have exactly what he 133 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 4: asked the CIA, even though I think we should and 134 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 4: I know that we are entitled to it. And now 135 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 4: I'm happy to report that after I made a bit 136 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 4: of a crusade about this, multiple people have now filed 137 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 4: foyas to the CIA to get Jeffrey Epstein's correspondence with 138 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 4: the CIA, which is not classified because Foyer requests at 139 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 4: the CIA are not. Now, the CI is obviously not 140 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 4: allowed to tell you, by virtue of it being a 141 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 4: spy agency, any classified records that it has, but for example, 142 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 4: it can send you declassified records, or if the CIA 143 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 4: has acknowledged any links to a particular individual, it can 144 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 4: send you the records on those. But what's interesting about 145 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 4: that CIA letter is it says, with respect to your 146 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 4: request about open or acknowledged links we have conducted that 147 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 4: we grant the request for documents. We have searched for documents. 148 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 4: No documents are responsive to that. With respect to the 149 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 4: portion of your Foyer request that touched on classified matters, 150 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 4: we can neither confirm nor deny the existence or non 151 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 4: existence of such documents, which means that Jeffrey Epstein not 152 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 4: only asked for open and acknowledge agency links, but also 153 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 4: asked something about himself that was classified. Now, for what 154 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 4: it's worth, that is the same stock response you get 155 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 4: when you ask the CIA for CIA personnel files. 156 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 3: That is, so he's not yet a public person and 157 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: he foias the CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency, asking for 158 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 3: what it has on him. Basically yes, And we don't 159 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: know exactly how he stated his question or what he 160 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 3: included in that, but we do know that it touched 161 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 3: on classified documents because the CIA's response was, you know, 162 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: regarding that specific line of questioning, we can confirm no divine. 163 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 2: That is really shocking. Actually, that's a bumper. 164 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 4: And what's very exciting is is in less, unless the 165 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 4: law is not followed, and the Justice Department does not 166 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 4: come down on the agency for not following the law. 167 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 4: If it doesn't follow it, we are legally entitled to 168 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 4: actually see the correspondence between the seat because they left 169 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 4: a in the Epstein files, And none of this was 170 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 4: known until last week. That again in nineteen ninety nine, 171 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 4: and then again in twenty eleven, sent an identical request. 172 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 4: And now this is before again the twenty nineteen rearrest. 173 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 4: But there's a case reference number, so we know they 174 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 4: have the files. 175 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: All right, Mike Ben's I have a co host here. 176 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 3: Blake Blake was. I could see his mind thinking he 177 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: went to Dartmouth. He's a very smart guy. 178 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 5: So Mike, we've spawn over. Yeah, Blake over his theories 179 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 5: on a lot of things. Yeah, Blake, Blake was not 180 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 5: all about. Blake had an incredulous look on his face. 181 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 5: Someone can throw it to Blake. What were you thinking, Blake? Well, 182 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 5: I guess I'm just thinking. I just it strikes me 183 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 5: as innately implausible that Epps like that. The reveal that 184 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 5: Jeffrey Epstein is an intelligence asset is that he foiled 185 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 5: himself at the CIA. 186 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: I guess I would he do that? Like, why would 187 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: he do that? 188 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 5: If the CIA needed to hide anything, why would they 189 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 5: get outed by their legalistic response to a Foyer request. 190 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 5: I think there's like a lot of ways that could 191 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 5: get around them. Well, I just find it unlikely. 192 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 4: Okay, it's done through the Blake, it was done through 193 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 4: the Privacy Act, meaning there was no public alert. We 194 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 4: only know about this because it's in the FBI file. 195 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 4: This was. This is a way, if you go through 196 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 4: the Privacy Act, you can see what records there that 197 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 4: are publicly searchable about you without it being revealed to 198 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 4: the public, so that you can see what other people 199 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 4: would get if they were to do that same FOI. 200 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 4: In theory, anyone could do a FOYA about Jeffrey Epstein. 201 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 4: But if you do it through the Privacy Act, you 202 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 4: get it, and you get it alone, and it's kept 203 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 4: us a private corresponse between you and your lawyer. 204 00:11:58,520 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: That's smart mic. 205 00:11:59,280 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 4: That's how it was. 206 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: So you know, I learned this yesterday. 207 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: I know this is public information, but it's one of 208 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 3: those pieces of the Epstein saga that people forget that 209 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: he was arrested either in the late eighties or early nineties, 210 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 3: and his partner went to prison for it. Anyway, I'm 211 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: just saying, like. 212 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 4: He skated free. You're talking about the Towers financial collapse, yes, 213 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 4: which at the time was the biggest Ponzi scheme rejectively 214 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 4: in US history at that time. But Epstein is a 215 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 4: Ware's Waldough figure. I make the argument that Epstein's intelligence 216 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 4: adjacency started in nineteen seventy eight, nineteen seventy nine. There's 217 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 4: kind of a Forest Gump story around this. When he 218 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 4: worked at bear Stearns. Bear Stearns was one of the 219 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 4: top three largest clearing houses of the BCCI bank that 220 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 4: was the CIA's bank. It went down in flames in 221 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 4: nineteen ninety when Bill Barr effectively covered it up. He 222 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 4: wrote the pardons for the six BCCI officials as the 223 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 4: Bank of Credit and Commerce International that was the CI's 224 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 4: bank for laundering basically gun and drug money to the 225 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 4: Musjahdeen in Afghanistan. And you have to understand, in nineteen 226 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 4: seventy nine, the Iranian Revolution happened at the very moment 227 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 4: that the CIA was at its weakest because of the 228 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 4: Church Committee hearings in the Halloween massacre, and the CIA 229 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 4: was setting up a complex offshore intelligence web through a 230 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 4: network that's called the Safari Club, the Mount Kenya Safari 231 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 4: Club that was run by Odnan Kashogi, the largest arms 232 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 4: deal in the world, who was the Saudi middleman between 233 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 4: the US and Israel during the Iran Kantra affair. Odnan 234 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 4: Kashogi was Jeffrey Epstein's client when he started Intercontinental Assets 235 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 4: Group in nineteen eighty one, after the sec investigation of 236 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 4: him at bear Stearns for handling Edgar Bromfman's money on 237 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 4: a deal involving Saint Joe's mineral company that Edgar Brockman 238 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 4: was played a very senior role in policy. Was he 239 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 4: was the head of the Oh my gosh, I don't know, 240 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 4: I'm blank on the name, but. 241 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 2: It's h he was. 242 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 4: He was ahead of a of a major international Jewish 243 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 4: advocacy group that played an effective kind of shadow state 244 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 4: department role in many aspects of the Iran War. The 245 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 4: Reagan administration had this Iran contra operation that involved effectively 246 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 4: the US and Brits getting money, getting guns to Iran 247 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 4: to fend off Iraq and doing it through Israel with 248 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia as the middleman. And it's at this time 249 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 4: while bear Stearns is laundering money effectively in a CIA 250 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 4: gun running operation. This is you have to keep in mind. 251 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 4: Also there was an international arms in bargo on Iran 252 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 4: at the time, so that was illegal to do. And 253 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 4: I find the Nicaragua side of that, the gun running 254 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 4: to the Nicaraguins with the skin interesting because Jeffrey Epstein 255 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 4: had a very lurid history in South American affairs. For example, 256 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 4: when Glenn Maxwell was asked by Todd Blanche in her 257 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 4: DOJ interview last year to give an example of Jeffrey 258 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 4: Epstein's business transactions, she could only think of one example 259 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 4: to illustrate it, and that was, imagine, if the Sinaloa 260 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 4: cartel was owed money by the Los Zetas cartel or 261 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 4: a rival cartel, and they needed a way to trace 262 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 4: the assets of the other cartel to get the money back, 263 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 4: they would hire some they would hire Jeffrey, and Jeffrey 264 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 4: would take a ten percent cut, a five to ten 265 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 4: percent cut of the money. I just find that interesting 266 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 4: because we're only thirteen years removed, fourteen years removed or 267 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 4: so from the Fast and Furious operation when the Obama 268 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 4: White House greenlit in operation to run guns to the 269 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 4: Sineloa cartel so that they could win a gang war 270 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 4: against the Los Adas who were cutting into effectively US 271 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 4: pipeline interests in Mexico. But the fact is, you need 272 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 4: to find you need to explain how Jeffrey Epstein, before 273 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 4: the age of thirty, had so many high profile clients 274 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 4: stretching from the Middle East to France, to the UK. 275 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 4: To these high level contacts in Israel. That makes sense 276 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 4: given the fundamental constraints on someone who's twenty nine to 277 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 4: thirty years old from handling being competent enough to handle 278 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 4: billionaire's money. And the fact is is the fact that 279 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 4: he worked on those deals, the fact that he was 280 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 4: flying back and forth cross country to visit Doug Lease 281 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 4: at that time, who was the main British arms dealer 282 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 4: involved in Iran contra, the fact that he was living 283 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 4: at the time with Stanley Pottinger, who was the Sea 284 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 4: i's mop up man, who literally also got investigated by 285 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 4: the FBI for running those same guns to Iran. But 286 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 4: then the case was magically dropped when the FBI said 287 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 4: the audio recordings that they had on him malfunctioned. 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It's truly truly amazing 315 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 3: and So if I'm gonna sum up what you were 316 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 3: getting at, and I was taking notes, I was trying 317 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 3: to track each piece. You only fought Foya yourself off 318 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 3: with the CIA. If you've got a lot of reason 319 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 3: to believe that they've either got stuff on you, they've 320 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 3: got personnel files on you, whatever. When you've got all 321 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 3: these the smoke, there's got to be fire with all 322 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 3: these connections. All these connections are ron Nik rouguill whatever, 323 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 3: all these relationships, it has to mean something. This can't 324 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 3: just be pure coincidence. It wasn't just like a good, 325 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 3: good party boy that liked to hang out with Prince Andrew. 326 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: Like, there's more going on here. 327 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 3: So you're touching on the American side, are there connections 328 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 3: that you would draw with Massad or Israeli intelligence? 329 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 2: What about Russia? Russian intelligence? 330 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 4: Well? Absolutely, and these are all linked. So, as I mentioned, 331 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein was handling the money for the CIA's point 332 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 4: person between the US and Israel. In nineteen eighty three, 333 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 4: when odd non Koshogi, Epstein's client flies to Washington, d C. 334 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 4: To meet with Robert McFarlane, the National Security Advisor, to 335 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 4: plan this operation and that itself would be something I 336 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 4: would think the crucial middleman who was also rumored at 337 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 4: the time to be the world's richest person and who 338 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 4: earned more in odd non koshogi. Yes, of course, But 339 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 4: the point is at that point that was a coordination 340 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 4: between American intelligence and Israeli intelligence. Who was running Israeli 341 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 4: military intelligence at that time from nineteen eighty three to 342 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 4: nineteen eighty five, it was a hood Barack. The hood Barack, 343 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 4: even before this week's drop, had been documented something like 344 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 4: forty seven times at Jeffrey Epstein's house, and we're business 345 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 4: partners on carbine nine to one one and did business 346 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 4: deals together in everywhere from Mongolia to Cote Devoir to 347 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 4: a hood Barack seeking Jeffrey Epstein's council for how to 348 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 4: evade sanctions on Russia after the twenty fourteen crimea affair. 349 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 4: But the fact is is what these new revelations show 350 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 4: is a much much deeper and complete overlap for many 351 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 4: years between Epstein and Barack in a way that is 352 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 4: really interesting. I'll give you an example one of the 353 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 4: things that surfaced here and that I blew up. I 354 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 4: think it's sitting at about six and a half million 355 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 4: views right now, is Jeffrey Epstein's secretly recording hod Barock 356 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 4: during a three hour conversation they had while Hudbarock was 357 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 4: the sitting Minister of Defense. Now now understand Hubarock went 358 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 4: from running Israel's most elite covert commando unit to running 359 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 4: Israeli military intelligence to becoming the Prime Minister of Israel, 360 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 4: who Massad reports directly to. Massad is structured to sit 361 00:21:54,760 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 4: in the Prime Minister's office effectively answers directly to and 362 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 4: so it's not structured quite the same way as RCIA. 363 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 4: And then Hudbarock became effectively the equivalent of the head 364 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 4: of our Pentagon, which means constant coordination with Masad. But 365 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 4: it's also more he's more closely affiliated with AMAN, which 366 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 4: is Israeli military intelligence, and the fact that he was 367 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 4: the head of it while that this is also you 368 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 4: see Epstein so involved in the arms trade, both in 369 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 4: the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, the UK and always working 370 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 4: with these arms dealers. But what I'm getting at is, 371 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 4: in this conversation, Hoodbarock is one month before he leaves 372 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 4: office as the head of Israel's military and he's looking 373 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 4: to make it big in the private sector. So Epstein 374 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 4: records under the Table. I guess the FBI is a 375 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 4: three hour recording of this, a three hour coaching session 376 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 4: where Jeffrey Epstein instructs Hudbarock on how to convert his 377 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 4: lifetime of accumulated government power into getting on the outside 378 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 4: within private business. And what he tells a who Barak 379 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 4: is stop focusing on your you know, skills, your military 380 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 4: background and the things you've accomplished. That doesn't that's not 381 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 4: going to get you money. That's not why people are 382 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 4: going to pay you. What you need to do is 383 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 4: compile a list of people who owe you something. I 384 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 4: owe yous think people who owe you favors. Now is 385 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 4: the time to call in those favors. And what I 386 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 4: find so fascinating about this is one, you know, on 387 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 4: the one hand, someone who's worked in these kind of 388 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 4: Israeli military and intelligence adjacent networks for forty years is 389 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 4: now literally helping that person cash in on the outside. 390 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 4: But it also shows a kind of the mercenary aspect 391 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 4: of Epstein's operation. He was secretly recording the head of 392 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 4: the Israeli military, not the other way, which I just 393 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 4: think is kind of an interesting. 394 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 2: But isn't that a point kind of against some of this? 395 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 2: I guess it just it seems like. 396 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 5: So much of the argument that he's running this masterful 397 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 5: blackmail rings or is part of all this intel stuff 398 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 5: is presumably that stuff would be well hidden, and yet 399 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 5: so much of this is actually quite public, somewhat glaring. 400 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 5: And then once we also start digging out stuff that 401 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 5: was originally hidden, it doesn't seem to produce that much 402 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 5: of a smoking gun. 403 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 2: I mean, Ehud Baraka. 404 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 5: He's I mean, he gets attacked by the first person 405 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 5: to basically bring this to public lights a big deal 406 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 5: is Benjamin nettan Yahoo. 407 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: He attacks him about it. In Israeli politics. 408 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 5: In fact, I think they're talking to him about it 409 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 5: right now, because they say, I guess some of the 410 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 5: conversations they say Epstein was kind of a liberal and 411 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 5: he wanted to like make Israel more liberal and all 412 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 5: of that. 413 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 4: Right. But I mean, every country has got, you know, 414 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 4: heterodox political factionalism, the US as well as, I mean, 415 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 4: a change in leadership or a change in what faction 416 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 4: of r CIA is dominant can determine whether or not 417 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 4: a foreign country's government lives or dies. I mean, the 418 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 4: fact is is what you know, when Biden's in control 419 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 4: of the CIA, you get things like the government of 420 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 4: Brazil turns over. You know, when when Trump becomes head 421 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 4: of the government, suddenly the CIA USAID operations in Hungary stop. 422 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 4: And so there is a similar thing in Israel in 423 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 4: terms of whether or not you having a Hood Barack 424 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 4: or a Benjamin net Yahoo government. What's interesting in these 425 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 4: files is it describes how hard it was for them 426 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 4: to even get a meeting with net Yahoo. And you 427 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 4: see Hood Barack actually playing a not a significant role 428 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 4: in the you know, Biden world. 429 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: He was. 430 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 4: Closely affiliated with the West exec faction. If you guys 431 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 4: remember that in between period when the Hillary Clinton folks 432 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 4: were out of power, but before they Biden got in. 433 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 4: Basically every major person in the cabinet was a part 434 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 4: of a private consulting group called West Executive. Avril Haynes, 435 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 4: Anthony Blinkin, pretty much all of the people who would 436 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 4: populate the cabinet, and they worked very closely with the 437 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 4: Hood Barack. I believe he even funded them or hired 438 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 4: them for private consulting type things. But what you see 439 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 4: is is it is true that a foreign country's you know, 440 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 4: spy apparatus or covert influence apparatus does have an effect 441 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 4: on American politics. I don't think it's wrong in any 442 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,239 Speaker 4: sense to call that out. I think that is it 443 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 4: has been silly to try to deny any links between 444 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 4: Epstein and Israel. It's all over the place for his 445 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 4: whole career. But the fact is is this class of 446 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 4: person a outside financial fixer, is while they are affiliated 447 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 4: with governments, there is also a on again, off again 448 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 4: only if it's good for me type relationship that happens 449 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 4: like I don't think Epstein. I would not be surprised 450 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 4: if Epstein sent those foyas not because he worked at 451 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 4: or for CIA, but that he occasionally worked with CIA 452 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 4: when it was profitable for himself and his partner network, 453 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 4: and he wanted to know if that adjacency might turn 454 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 4: up in a public record search. Same thing with his 455 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 4: connections with Israel. He certainly worked with high level Israeli 456 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 4: intelligence and military figures. That doesn't mean he gets a 457 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 4: paycheck from it necessarily. There are these affinity networks where 458 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 4: you yourself can get rich by doing a favor for 459 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 4: people in government. I believe that's likely the case with Epstein, 460 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 4: both in the US and in Israel, and likely when 461 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 4: you look at the UK and French and Saudi webs 462 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 4: it looks like at a much less involved level. Uh, 463 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 4: there are there's a there there too. 464 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 3: Well, it makes it makes perfect sense to me that 465 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 3: he was worried that it would be public information, especially 466 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 3: as his he became more famous, and he kind of 467 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 3: probably had an inkling that he was getting more and 468 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 3: more high profile that he wanted to check to see 469 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 3: what was publicly available if somebody else could find this 470 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 3: out about him, about you know what the CIA had 471 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 3: scooped up on him. 472 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 5: I mean, if he's an intel operative, why would he 473 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 5: have to make the application himself? 474 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 2: Well, because he's probably you do it, you do it. 475 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 4: Well, let me just correct that he did it through 476 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 4: his lawyer using the Privacy Act, which is the way 477 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 4: you do that if you want to effectively anonymously see 478 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 4: what other people would see if they had filed that foil. 479 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 5: Okay, but he's also apparently he's like an intel asked, 480 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 5: I just I feel like this is kind of code stuff. 481 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 4: Now, now you got you gotta you gotta be precise 482 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 4: with your language. Okay. The there is a difference between 483 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 4: asset and a contact. And this is very important. I've 484 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 4: done lectures on twenty different figures in recent American history 485 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 4: who were CIA contacts, facilitators, logistical support notes, but that 486 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 4: do not rise to the level of asset. Asset is 487 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 4: a technical term that requires the compilation of a two 488 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 4: h one personality file. That is, if you are a 489 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 4: formal asset. But Ftein could have done all of this 490 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 4: with intelligence, appears to have done it with us and so, 491 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 4: but only on an off and on basis not as 492 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 4: a okay, the CI told me to do it, Therefore 493 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 4: I have to do it. This is a really important 494 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 4: one because a lot of people don't understand the sticky 495 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 4: gooey layer, the mortar between the bricks. When it comes 496 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 4: to intelligence work and non intelligence work. There is a 497 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 4: vast web of kind of every intelligence intelligence adjacent adjacencies. 498 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 4: That is the way in which intelligence work is done. 499 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 4: By its very nature, anything that is a covert action 500 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 4: cannot be actualized by a overt I admit I'm a CIA. 501 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,479 Speaker 4: There's the hard and fast distinction is literally impossible. What 502 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 4: you have is a is a layer of contacts that 503 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 4: facilitate that action, and sometimes those are formal assets. Often 504 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 4: in their most significant form, they're actually not. And I 505 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 4: can give you a bunch of ITAs. 506 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 3: But Mike, you you did this with you exposed a 507 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 3: lot of this with the censorship industrial complex, how the 508 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 3: government basically figured out that they could outsource certain actions 509 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 3: that were would be deemed illegal if it was done 510 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 3: directly by the government, right, And so it follows that 511 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 3: this is the exact same formula that they were using 512 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 3: somebody like a Jeffrey Epstein, for I there's so much 513 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 3: explosive stuff. Uh, you've you've said on Joe Rogan that 514 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 3: you didn't think that he was actually his main motive 515 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 3: was blackmailing people necessarily I wanted to do that. 516 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 4: It's yeah, yeah, yeah, So you know this is something 517 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 4: that you know is because people have gotten so invested 518 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 4: in it. I think, you know, you're sort of trying 519 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 4: to stop a runaway train when you when you say it. 520 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,479 Speaker 4: But but it's just a simple fact. First of all, 521 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 4: Epstein wouldn't have enough time in the day to run 522 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 4: some sort of you know, global you know, pedo ring 523 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 4: in an organized and structured fashion. I mean, the guy 524 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 4: is you know, twelve funds and all the business and 525 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 4: meetings and influence nodes. He's in science, technology, military, gun running, 526 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 4: you know, all these different To be a full time 527 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 4: pimp like that, I don't even know is technically possible. 528 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 4: The main thing is is I do think it is 529 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 4: possible that there could be a blackmail element in the 530 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 4: sense that if you compile certain things on, if you 531 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 4: have something on, you could sell that to a corporate 532 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 4: espionage client or to an intelligence client, and there could 533 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 4: become some sort of indirect blackmail capacity that other people have. 534 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 4: None of that has ever been proven, or there's no 535 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 4: even open leads to follow. But the second is is 536 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 4: your entire network would everything you've built would crash down 537 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 4: in an instant the moment that rumor is even around. 538 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 4: That rumor didn't arise about an Epstein blackmail until after 539 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 4: he was already arrested and dead in a jail cell. 540 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 4: Somehow that if you blackmail one person offensively, people tell 541 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 4: their wives that they go through a major crisis of 542 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 4: pr in terms of they may tell their publicist and 543 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 4: their wife and no other soul, but wives talk to wives, 544 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 4: and the moment one person that's from with Jeffrey Epstein 545 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 4: tells another person, Hey, don't mess around with that guy, 546 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 4: that guy threatened with stuff. Then all the parties stop, 547 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 4: all the access stops, all the confidant relationships stop. Now, 548 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 4: I do think it's possible that he could defensively blackmail 549 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 4: someone if you will, which is that if somebody says, 550 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 4: I know that the dirt you were involved with, I'm 551 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 4: gonna tell the I'm gonna tell NBC News this happened 552 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 4: at your party, and he goes, ah, not so fast. 553 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 4: You were at that party, and look what I have 554 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 4: you on tape doing. That's very possible. I mean you 555 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 4: saw you saw. For example, I remember seeing a clip 556 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 4: from a long time ago and not throwing any shadeed 557 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 4: Milo Ynopolis when I say this, but I remember him 558 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 4: holding up like a you know, like a recording or 559 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 4: something of just just saying, listen, when I talk to people, 560 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 4: you know, I try to have it on tape. Now. 561 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 4: I don't think Milo's ever offensively blackmailed someone with that, 562 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,959 Speaker 4: but I can see when you are a high net 563 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 4: worth or high the influential public figure and like you know, 564 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 4: you in case anyone comes after you, you have something on them. 565 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean it's like some highly organized like 566 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 4: I mean, he did that for example, with the head 567 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 4: of Israeli. Yeah, the Israeli military. Do you think that, 568 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 4: I mean he was under the table recording him for 569 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 4: three hours. 570 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 2: Think that he was, Yeah, exactly. 571 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 3: So the question is if he wasn't motivated by blackmailing 572 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 3: or honeypots. 573 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 2: Or whatever, what was he motivated by. 574 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 3: We have three minutes left, Mike, I could talk to 575 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 3: you for hours an hour, So there's a. 576 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 4: Million reasons he could have been. He's gotten in trouble 577 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 4: his whole life. I mean, when he was twenty seven 578 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 4: years old, he got in trouble at bear Stearn's, you know, 579 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 4: both on the SEC thing and another intra office thing. 580 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 4: He may have had a bad experience where someone tried 581 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 4: to blackmail him and he goes, I wish I had 582 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 4: recorded you know that thing because they were doing dirty 583 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 4: stuff too, and then made a practice of it. And 584 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 4: then when he you know, more property he owned, he 585 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 4: just had everything hooked up. We don't. That's a hard 586 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 4: thing to substantiate, given that this guy who's got one 587 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 4: hundred thousand high level people in his rolodex, not a 588 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 4: single one after his death, after he couldn't even drop 589 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 4: the blackmail, has even made an allegation that Epstein tried 590 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 4: to blackmail. So there's no open leads on it, and 591 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 4: there's an entire cinematic universe that is very useful for 592 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 4: understanding the modern day. As you pointed out, the censorship 593 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 4: industrial complex is structured the same way the Epstein network is, 594 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 4: the same way intelligence work is. These the data points 595 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 4: to mine here in terms of what we can understand 596 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 4: about our own government, what we can understand about our 597 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 4: relationship with foreign governments, how to understand New York hedge 598 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 4: funds and the role that they exert, or high finance 599 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 4: or London banks exert. There's a There's a whole world 600 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 4: to see in the Epstein looking glass, and I think 601 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 4: that should be that's primarily my focus. People are freedom. 602 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 2: Right. I think you're super right. 603 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm convinced there's just too much smoke there 604 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 3: to not be a little bit of fire, even if 605 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 3: it's not as sensational as some would make it. I just, 606 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 3: I just I was pushing back with Jay because I 607 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 3: felt like there was something. 608 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 5: I would close out with My closing thought here would 609 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 5: be I feel like for years, I mean, Epstein died 610 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 5: almost seven years ago at this point, it's crazy how 611 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 5: long it's been. But it seems like I know you've 612 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 5: pushed back on this, but the widespread assumption is, oh, 613 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 5: this had to all be explained as part of a 614 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 5: big blackmail ring, and that would justify the intelligence connections. 615 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 5: But as you point out, nobody has made a blackmail allegation, 616 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 5: nobody talked about it being blackmail. It turns out there 617 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 5: kind of is no blackmail because if no one's alleging 618 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 5: it and there's no evidence of it, it seems to 619 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 5: have not happened. And at that point, like you pull 620 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 5: on the thread and so many there's so many interlocking assumptions. 621 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 5: Oh well he was doing blackmail, what would you do 622 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 5: blackmail with? Oh well it was these underage girls, so 623 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 5: he would get compromide on people. But we don't have 624 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 5: examples of that being used. I just feel like we 625 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 5: can go so many interlocking assumption, we can go the 626 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 5: questionable go ahead. 627 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 4: People watch people latched onto that what Blake just said 628 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 4: because they didn't understand all of this, and there was 629 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 4: no other way for most normy civilians to even understand 630 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 4: the Fsteine operation. And that's my concern, is that all 631 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 4: that that momentum was all built up because nobody was 632 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 4: saying all of this with a with a large platform, 633 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 4: and so that became the only explanation, even though in 634 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 4: my view there's not much of a there. 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Just 653 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 3: go to yrefi dot com and tell them your friend 654 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 3: Andrews sent you. I think that's a really interesting point 655 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 3: because it you guys actually do sort of agree on this, 656 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 3: because I've talked to you about it off off air. 657 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 3: How because there isn't sort of a rational explanation for 658 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 3: stuff that it creates a vacuum, and the mostationalized version 659 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 3: of events fills that, because that's what flies on the internet, or. 660 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 5: What a sensational versions. And also things that aren't proven 661 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 5: become fact. A thing I mentioned if you want to 662 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 5: comment on this, Mike, But a thing I mentioned with 663 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,439 Speaker 5: our guest yesterday that stood out to me was how 664 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 5: I heard over and over it was kind of taken 665 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 5: as an article of truth. I saw it repeated in 666 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 5: many articles that the prosecutor in Epstein's Florida case had 667 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 5: told the Trump administration, Oh well, Epstein belonged to it. 668 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 5: I was totally belonged to intelligence. So I didn't pursue it. 669 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 5: And I heard that over and over again, and then 670 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 5: it turned out I was reminded that was a non 671 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 5: unnamed source providing hearsay that they set someone told I 672 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 5: think the Washington post that they'd heard this or and 673 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 5: then he denied it, not even publicly, he denied it 674 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 5: in a statement to the Trump administration that we then 675 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 5: surfaced with these files. And that may just got me 676 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 5: thinking that was such a core part of what people 677 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 5: used to argue for this, and it was a kind 678 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 5: of runaway hearsay statement that if anything has direct evidence 679 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 5: against it, right right. 680 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 4: And and I saw that that was in the OPR 681 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 4: report that joined the Justice Department investigation. But I have 682 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 4: my own question about that. I don't know how to 683 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 4: feel about that allegation in I agree with you that 684 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 4: it is not the core receipt, so to speak, to 685 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 4: base any of this on, because it's contested. And I 686 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 4: do think that the way the question was phrased in 687 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,720 Speaker 4: terms of the OPR, this is the office of professional 688 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 4: responsibility in the Justice Department. I think the way it 689 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 4: was phrased and the lack of any follow up questions 690 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 4: beyond just you know, did you have knowledge that he 691 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 4: was an asset sort of thing leaves the door open. 692 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 4: But I think that there's so many other layers of 693 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 4: it that that speak to it. And again, I'm very 694 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 4: curious to see now that the foyas have been fired. 695 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 4: What the CIA comes back and says, because they are 696 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 4: legally required to give us that correspondence. One of the 697 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 4: things that I pointed out earlier today on X was 698 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 4: we have because we have the file reference numbers for 699 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 4: the whole back and forth of the foyas. Now, while 700 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 4: through the Privacy Act, it's not, you know, publicly searchable 701 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 4: that you sent that there is, it is not inherently 702 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:20,760 Speaker 4: classified communication between the CIA and Epstein's lawyer for Epstein records, 703 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 4: which means if you have the reference number, they're required 704 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,240 Speaker 4: to send it to you unless they classified that correspondence 705 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,800 Speaker 4: after the fact. And if the CIA drags its feet 706 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 4: on this FOYA, if it obstructs, if it says you 707 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 4: can't have it for one of two reasons, One we 708 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 4: classified it. That says something pretty damning, or two we 709 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 4: lost it. We are our records somehow deleted it between 710 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,760 Speaker 4: twenty eleven and twenty nineteen. I would demand a Justice 711 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 4: Department investigation into that in terms of who at CIA 712 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,959 Speaker 4: may have deleted it or how it may have when 713 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 4: exactly the files were no longer retained. If it turns 714 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 4: out that you know, the CIA says we don't have it, 715 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,879 Speaker 4: and then an FBI investigation into the forensics of why 716 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 4: they don't have it says, well, it got to lead 717 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 4: in our system in the Fluke malfunction on you know, 718 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 4: July tenth, twenty nineteen. I think that tells you something 719 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,879 Speaker 4: as well. But you know, the fact is is from 720 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 4: this from the CIA's work through BCCI, while Bear Stearns 721 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 4: was handling the clearing of those CIA transactions through the 722 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 4: odd non Koshogi Iran Contra affair. Here's another one, the 723 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,280 Speaker 4: CIA's proprietary airlines Southern air Transport used in Iran Contra 724 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 4: that Jeffrey Epstein was handling the CIA main point man's 725 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 4: main operatives transactions for that very gun running CI proprietary 726 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 4: air line, Southern air Transport, Epstein negotiated its move to Columbus, Ohio, 727 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 4: where Jeffrey Epstein was running the limited out of when 728 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 4: he got durable power of attorney. Can I mean, Blake Andrew, 729 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 4: can you guys negotiate the move of a CI proprietary 730 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,799 Speaker 4: airline to serve your business? Now at that time, Southern 731 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 4: air Transport, just two years earlier, had divested, so it 732 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 4: was no longer owned by the CIA. And operated by 733 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 4: the CI. It was owned to a CIA, a retired 734 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 4: CIA agent who had been who had been part of 735 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 4: its management team while it was CION, so it was 736 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,479 Speaker 4: technically a private business, but then it goes to serve 737 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,359 Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein's company. By the way, just two years after that, 738 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 4: the State Department leased one of the largest residential buildings 739 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 4: in New York City to Jeffrey Epstein right after it 740 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 4: seized it from the government of Iran. So Jeffrey Epstein 741 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,320 Speaker 4: had his the State Department as this personal landlord after season. 742 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 4: I mean, can you go on Zilla or Airbnb or 743 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 4: has the State Department ever been your personal landlord? And 744 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,879 Speaker 4: by the way, the only reason that that arrangement ended 745 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 4: up expiring was because Jeffrey Epstein violated the terms of 746 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 4: his agreement with the State Department by subleasing it out 747 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 4: to two of the lawyers for both the French Connection 748 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 4: and Pizza Connection scandals, which were both CIA drug running 749 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 4: scandals from the prior decade. The French Connection was the 750 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,280 Speaker 4: CIA's role in facilitating illegal narcotics from Lebanon to France, 751 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 4: and the Pizza Connection scandal was when there was a 752 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:52,240 Speaker 4: basically a CI protected transhipment of drugs to Italian mafia 753 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 4: organizations in New York and New Jersey that was laundered 754 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 4: through pizza shops. So I mean, the whole thing up 755 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 4: and down can trace it to the kind of c 756 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,319 Speaker 4: I a earthquake of the Carter administration giving way to 757 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 4: this kind of US Israel, Iran, uh, you know, Iran, 758 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 4: Saudi Iran centric foreign policy web, and then it just 759 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,640 Speaker 4: metastasized from there. As as all these things require money, 760 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,240 Speaker 4: hedge funds and private equity funds get in on the action. 761 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 4: Epstein makes his way from the you know, uh finance world. 762 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 2: To the you know kind of fixer world. 763 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,799 Speaker 4: Financial bounty hunter world, into the high finance world, and 764 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 4: you can trace US Israeli, British into some degree, you know, 765 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 4: French and Saudi policy. So for decades through the figure 766 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 4: of Jeffrey Epstein. 767 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,239 Speaker 3: Mike, I had to ask you about this, and I 768 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 3: know we're going along here, so thank you for your time. 769 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,279 Speaker 3: The there was like now all of a sudden, there's 770 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 3: like a there's like George W. Bush is in the 771 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 3: in these emails, and so is U Macrone from France. 772 00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 2: Like yeah, go ahead, George H. W. 773 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 4: Bush was the CIA director in nineteen seventy five, and 774 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:09,320 Speaker 4: the Safari Club grew out of his network. On the 775 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,360 Speaker 4: whole Koshogi family, you have to understand, I mean George H. W. 776 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 4: Bush was the CIA Director and then played this very 777 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 4: interesting role in the October Surprise around Iran, and then 778 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,720 Speaker 4: was the vice president of the Reagan administration during Iran 779 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,879 Speaker 4: Contra and was effectively the blocker to protect Reagan on it. 780 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,080 Speaker 4: A lot of people think he was kind of the 781 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 4: main progenitor of the whole Iran Contra affair. It was 782 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 4: when he became president. His Attorney General was Bill Barr, 783 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 4: who not only was the cover up who started his 784 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 4: career in the CIA for the first seven years of 785 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 4: his career, he only became a lawyer and then the 786 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 4: attorney Elk because he went to law school at night 787 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 4: while he was in the CIA. The Democrat media in 788 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,760 Speaker 4: the early nineteen eighties blamed him for the CI blocking 789 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 4: the congressional investigations into Iran Contra, and then while he 790 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,920 Speaker 4: picked Bill Barr as his ag Bill Barr wrote the 791 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 4: partons for the six BCCI officials who were cleared of 792 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:13,880 Speaker 4: any wrongdoing in the CIA Banks disaster. There's a lot. 793 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,240 Speaker 4: I'm started. 794 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 3: I know, man, there's so much smoke, there has to 795 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,000 Speaker 3: be fire. That's where I that's where I'm at. I listen. 796 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,360 Speaker 3: I think I just want to kind of synthesize this 797 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,919 Speaker 3: for our audience that's listened to Day one with Jay 798 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 3: Beecher and day two with Mike Bentz. I think so 799 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,399 Speaker 3: much of this has been sensationalized, oh. 800 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,800 Speaker 2: Like especially a lot of the sex stuff. 801 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 3: You know, you know, apparently you find out he was 802 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,719 Speaker 3: deformed and he had a rectile dysfunction and he wasn't 803 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,880 Speaker 3: even able to like perform. I hate to, you know, 804 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,919 Speaker 3: I'm trying to be sensitive for our eleven year olds 805 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 3: that might be listening. But but the point is some 806 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,800 Speaker 3: of that stuff I think has been really sensationalized, the 807 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,799 Speaker 3: underage girl things. I think Jay had a lot of 808 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:58,239 Speaker 3: really interesting intel on Virginia. Guffrey was apparently recruiting them 809 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 3: and they were presenting themselves as eighteen. Whether he knew 810 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 3: or not, I don't know that that's a big question mark. 811 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,600 Speaker 3: He liked them young, there's no doubt eighteen to twenty 812 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,320 Speaker 3: five is it was his presumption. The point I'm making 813 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,840 Speaker 3: is there's been a lot of sensationalism around that, a 814 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 3: lot of sensationalism around the blackmail. But one of the 815 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,120 Speaker 3: questions that I go back to is what JD. Van said, 816 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 3: Why did was this man able to make so much 817 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,080 Speaker 3: money when basically everybody with a brain, a finance brain, 818 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:29,279 Speaker 3: says that he was like subpar mediocre at finance at best. 819 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,040 Speaker 3: Some say he was good at avoiding taxes, okay, but 820 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 3: some of the video that we have of him talking 821 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 3: finance people are not impressed. People that should be impressed 822 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 3: or not impressed. So the question is how did he 823 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,200 Speaker 3: make all his money? What you present as a theory 824 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 3: or connections that seem to believe make me believe that 825 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:46,360 Speaker 3: there's smoke. 826 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,919 Speaker 2: There could be fire. Seems like a lot of fire 827 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:48,520 Speaker 2: in this area. 828 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 3: And so it's like kind of like both of these 829 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 3: angles feel like they have truth in them. And then 830 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,279 Speaker 3: the the in the void of where there's details, the 831 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,640 Speaker 3: Internet runs in and sensationalizes, you know, to the max. 832 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 2: Is that is that a fair summation? 833 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 4: Kind of Yeah? I think so. I think I think 834 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 4: one of the reasons that I think people's intuition about 835 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 4: the immensity of what's hidden about the Epstein story is 836 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 4: completely true, but the rush to fill the vacuum of 837 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:25,680 Speaker 4: that is filled with things they can understand. And the 838 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,240 Speaker 4: fact is, when I'm talking about all these networks, America 839 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,560 Speaker 4: does not yet have the language to put these things 840 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,920 Speaker 4: into words. Because they don't, these things are hidden from 841 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 4: them in part because we have a national security state. 842 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,239 Speaker 4: We have all of our state craft is classified under 843 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:49,080 Speaker 4: you know, as a foreign policy and sensitive. And the 844 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 4: fact is this is this is something that makes our 845 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 4: politics coke and pepsi. The fact that these networks are 846 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,480 Speaker 4: not talked about on network news. The fact is they 847 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,719 Speaker 4: can only really be shared through social media networks and 848 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,280 Speaker 4: the like. Which is why I think that the collective 849 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,399 Speaker 4: understanding on this, particularly on the right, because the right, 850 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,520 Speaker 4: you know, there's kind of a universal thump goes around 851 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 4: moment here and so far as the left was actually 852 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,400 Speaker 4: quite wise to this in the nineteen sixties and seventies 853 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 4: after they were run through the mill by the national 854 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,520 Speaker 4: security state during the Cold War when there was a 855 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 4: war on communism and so a lot of socialists or 856 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,040 Speaker 4: socialist light folks were targeted. They had to they went 857 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,680 Speaker 4: through this same sort of collective Wow, this is the 858 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,200 Speaker 4: cis relationship with private business. And this is how the 859 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,839 Speaker 4: military connection comes into this. And there was a very 860 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 4: robust scholarship for about twenty years in the Democrat Party 861 00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,200 Speaker 4: around that, and there has really never been on the 862 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:57,160 Speaker 4: Republican Party until now because the Republican Party's base of 863 00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,279 Speaker 4: support in American politics for the past entry has come 864 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,879 Speaker 4: from basically three places. The military industrial complex itself, which 865 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:11,280 Speaker 4: which was largely set up by Eisenhower, the big oil 866 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,840 Speaker 4: industry which is tightly connected with the military industrial complex, 867 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,640 Speaker 4: and the Chamber of Commerce for just general big business 868 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,640 Speaker 4: who like low tax, free enterprise policies. And there was 869 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,600 Speaker 4: never like they were always on the giving end rather 870 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,000 Speaker 4: than on the receiving end. So Republicans by and large 871 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 4: were kept dumb unless you were in the business that 872 00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:38,640 Speaker 4: this entire cinematic universe exists. And now that Republicans or 873 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,640 Speaker 4: half of the Republican Party has been systematically targeted by 874 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,560 Speaker 4: this apparatus. I mean, this is part of my frustration 875 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,480 Speaker 4: for many years in trying to explain the censorship industrial complex, 876 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:53,479 Speaker 4: is that you to even know that the people saw 877 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,600 Speaker 4: the CIA on the board of Facebook. I'm sorry on 878 00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,120 Speaker 4: the Trust and Safety team on Facebook and the Trust 879 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,360 Speaker 4: and Safety team of of Twitter and the trust and 880 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 4: safety team of YouTube and couldn't understand how this could 881 00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,080 Speaker 4: be possible, or USAID's role in this, or the State 882 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 4: Department's role in this, or they're funded grantees. And so 883 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,040 Speaker 4: you need to explain essentially how US foreign policy works, 884 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,000 Speaker 4: how domestic sentiment is. They call this the driver, the 885 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:27,040 Speaker 4: domestic drivers of foreign policy is critical to our international business, 886 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:31,680 Speaker 4: our multinational business and private equity, and US foreign policy 887 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,719 Speaker 4: focused things depend on what people vote for here, because 888 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,279 Speaker 4: if you vote for the wrong president, those businesses that 889 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,840 Speaker 4: make money abroad go could put or the foreign policy 890 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,200 Speaker 4: initiatives can radically change. And so they targeted the Trump 891 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,399 Speaker 4: movement regardless of whether what you voted for him for. 892 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,000 Speaker 4: If you are a Trump supporter and Trump wanted to 893 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 4: go a different way on Ukraine, a different way on Russia, 894 00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,000 Speaker 4: a different way on China, a different way on Syria, 895 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,480 Speaker 4: different way on any rock, well then you have to 896 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,960 Speaker 4: target the whole movement to make sure that guy doesn't 897 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,160 Speaker 4: get elected, and you target it through these this Perry 898 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:10,760 Speaker 4: intelligence layer. 899 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well said. I think that's a blake. 900 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,759 Speaker 3: I mean, you and me are probably just a little 901 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:23,239 Speaker 3: bit on different wave on the here. Yeah, No, I 902 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,880 Speaker 3: mean listen, I think, Mike, that was a really good summation. 903 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,160 Speaker 3: I think there's just too much smoke. There's got to 904 00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:31,600 Speaker 3: be some fire there. But I think some of the 905 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 3: sex stuff maybe has been sensationalized. Some of the blackmail stuff, 906 00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,239 Speaker 3: I'm kind of I'm with you on that. 907 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:37,239 Speaker 2: Mike. 908 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,279 Speaker 3: You've you've made a lot of time for us at 909 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,920 Speaker 3: the drop of a hat. Thank you so much for 910 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,040 Speaker 3: giving us as much of these connections. 911 00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,400 Speaker 2: You've give us a lot to think about, and I 912 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,680 Speaker 2: think a really important other side of this Epstein saga. 913 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,280 Speaker 3: Mike Ben's the executive director for the Foundation for Freedom 914 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,840 Speaker 3: Online and so much, so much else. Former State Department. 915 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,760 Speaker 3: You're crushing it out there. Congratulations on all the success. 916 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,680 Speaker 4: Thanks you guys too. We will all right, take care. 917 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,000 Speaker 4: For more on many of these stories and news you 918 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,279 Speaker 4: can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.