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Speaker 2: All right, me, my friends, you're listening to the Dennis
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Speaker 2: life and one of my favorite subjects male female differences.
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about. There's an article
Speaker 2: and I want to thank those who sent this to me.
Speaker 2: I would not have seen it otherwise. There is a study. Well,
Speaker 2: first of all, a report that just came out in
Speaker 2: New Scientists, which is a sophisticated journal, a popular but
Speaker 2: sophisticated journal about science news. And I read to you
Speaker 2: from Asian News International that has made this report from
Speaker 2: New Scientist widely available on the internet. Psychologists in Canada
Speaker 2: finally proved that men are actually irrational enough to risk
Speaker 2: entire kingdoms to catch sight of a pretty face. All right,
Speaker 2: According to a report in New Scientists dot com, biologists
Speaker 2: have long known that men like animals, and I want
Speaker 2: to I'm going to talk to you about this like
Speaker 2: animals thing because a very important little throwaway line that
Speaker 2: they did not develop here. Prefer immediate rewards to long
Speaker 2: term benefits in the future. The process is known as
Speaker 2: discounting the future. Immediately available cash is generally worth more
Speaker 2: than the same amount that would be in the future,
Speaker 2: but greater amounts of money in the future would be
Speaker 2: worth waiting for under so called rational discounting. However, some people,
Speaker 2: like drug addicts, exhibit irrational discounting when it comes to
Speaker 2: choosing a small amount of heroin today rather than a
Speaker 2: greater amount in the future. Margot Wilson and Martin Daly
Speaker 2: of McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario decided to investigate discounting
Speaker 2: behavior and see if it varied with sexual mood. This
Speaker 2: is a good study. Listen to this. Male students, when
Speaker 2: shown pictures of pretty women, were more likely to opt
Speaker 2: for short term economic gain than wait for a better
Speaker 2: reward in the future. This is a remarkable test that
Speaker 2: they did. It's almost funny to show how powerful how
Speaker 2: it takes over a man's mind just seeing a pretty woman.
Speaker 2: Both male and female students at McMaster University were shown
Speaker 2: pictures of the opposite sex of a varying attractiveness taken
Speaker 2: from the website hot or not. The two hundred and
Speaker 2: nine students were then offered the chance to win a reward,
Speaker 2: and they could either accept a check for between fifteen
Speaker 2: dollars and thirty five dollars tomorrow or one fifty to
Speaker 2: seventy five dollars at a variable point in the future.
Speaker 2: The experts found that male students shown the pictures of
Speaker 2: averagely attractive women showed exponential discounting of the future value
Speaker 2: of the reward, indicating that they had made a rational decision.
Speaker 2: Let me make that very clear in case you're missing it.
Speaker 2: When the male students were shown a picture of an
Speaker 2: averagely attractive woman and then afterwards offered do you want
Speaker 2: to check for fifteen to thirty five dollars tomorrow or
Speaker 2: fifty to seventy five at a later date, that they
Speaker 2: would note then then they would say, oh, I'll take
Speaker 2: the more money a little later. They were making a
Speaker 2: rational decision. Now, let me continue. When male students were
Speaker 2: shown picks of pretty women, they discounted the future value
Speaker 2: of the reward, indicating that they had made an irrational decision.
Speaker 2: Now critical to understanding male female difference. Women, by contrast,
Speaker 2: made equally rational decisions whether they had been shown pictures
Speaker 2: of handsome men or those of average attractiveness. Uh huh,
Speaker 2: so much again, I tell you that that of all
Speaker 2: the subjects, the one that has driven me the nuts
Speaker 2: my entire adult life. I mean, since college, has been
Speaker 2: the line that men and women are basically the same,
Speaker 2: that men are taught to see women as sexual objects
Speaker 2: by playboy and the like. But really it's a societally
Speaker 2: induced thing. It drives me nuts. Ignoramuses people truly ignorant
Speaker 2: of male and female say that, or women who say, oh,
Speaker 2: come on, I'm not attracted to an attractive man. Of
Speaker 2: course you are, of course, step but it's it's it.
Speaker 2: There's no comparison in in what it does. Also, the
Speaker 2: number of men who will turn a woman's head be
Speaker 2: a stranger stranger men in other words, a man that
Speaker 2: she doesn't know from Adam, who will just have her,
Speaker 2: you know, turn her head and and and confound her
Speaker 2: mind is tiny. Where the number of women who do
Speaker 2: that to men, ask men, I mean, it's it's it's
Speaker 2: it's legion. I mean that the number is huge. This
Speaker 2: is a very good article because it is a good
Speaker 2: study because it it once again provides scientific proof for
Speaker 2: the for the obvious. And unfortunately, people who go to
Speaker 2: college are taught not to believe wisdom, not to believe
Speaker 2: common sense, not to believe their own life, but to ask,
Speaker 2: what do studies show? Okay, so for those of you
Speaker 2: who want to know what study show, studies show that
Speaker 2: men's minds are easily confounded by the sight of a
Speaker 2: pretty woman, not to mention the rest of the female anatomy.
Speaker 2: And this is just the face that presumably when it
Speaker 2: says a pretty woman, the power of sight is uniquely
Speaker 2: male the woman. The eye doesn't do to the woman.
Speaker 2: The ear does to the woman a lot of things.
Speaker 2: How he talks, how how he smells those things, or
Speaker 2: in looks is he clean? But a picture of a
Speaker 2: good looking man. The woman is just going to continue
Speaker 2: the work that she is doing. It doesn't whatever chemical
Speaker 2: or whatever it is, reaction, it's not. It's not. It's
Speaker 2: not in the same universe one eight Praeger seven seven
Speaker 2: six one eight p R. A. G. E. R. Seven
Speaker 2: seven six. I'm going to give you more conclusions here,
Speaker 2: and you may want to react to them, because this
Speaker 2: is a very you know, if you could make a
Speaker 2: lot of fun out of this thing. You know, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, as they do in the very first sentence,
Speaker 2: which I didn't read to you, the men are going
Speaker 2: to take a double turn on this is what has
Speaker 2: been long suspected is finally established. In other words, it's
Speaker 2: it's a lot of, it's a lot of. It's not
Speaker 2: a light subject, believe it or not. It can be
Speaker 2: made into it because we don't want to acknowledge its seriousness.
Speaker 2: But the eye plays havoc with men and therefore with women.
Speaker 2: Women women sense it, sometimes know it, act on it,
Speaker 2: deny it whatever it is, but its power cannot be overstated.
Speaker 2: That is why I'll give you two other, two other factors,
Speaker 2: two other conclusions from this. That is why what women
Speaker 2: wear is of such extraordinary importance because of the impact
Speaker 2: that it has on men. Now, I'm not saying we
Speaker 2: can't pass laws, and we shouldn't pass laws, and God knows,
Speaker 2: I think that the veil and the chador, these are
Speaker 2: dehumanizing things for women. But let us I'm not even
Speaker 2: taking a position. Well, I have a position, as many
Speaker 2: of you know. I think that that a sober understanding
Speaker 2: of the effect of how I, as a woman appear
Speaker 2: to men is critical. We need to soberly consider what
Speaker 2: will I want to show. But there is also another factor,
Speaker 2: and that is I'll never forget. I was listening once
Speaker 2: to a talk show host. A woman had called in
Speaker 2: said that she had found out that her husband was
Speaker 2: looking at sexy images on the computer, and the talk
Speaker 2: show host said, your husband is sick and needs help. Now, folks,
Speaker 2: there are religious reasons, there are a whole host of
Speaker 2: reasons not to involve oneself in those images. But it
Speaker 2: is not sick men look because that is the way
Speaker 2: we are programmed, and the power of it is not
Speaker 2: is not understandable by the female. You can't any more
Speaker 2: than than a male can understand. I don't know how
Speaker 2: many things go on in a woman's mind at one time.
Speaker 2: I don't think we can. It's it's not available to
Speaker 2: us because we are basically uh una attentive. One thing
Speaker 2: at a time is what we attend to. But the
Speaker 2: power of the eye that that a man. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is an unbelievable study, an unbelievably important study. Guys
Speaker 2: will make irrational decision financially just because they saw a
Speaker 2: pretty face. It wasn't even to get the woman. It
Speaker 2: was they've already got confounded in their thinking just by
Speaker 2: the look. Do you agree? Do you have any issue
Speaker 2: with what I am saying or this study? Do you
Speaker 2: the power of the eye in men? You as a woman?
Speaker 2: Does it bother you? Do you act on it? Do
Speaker 2: you understand it? Does this trouble you? Do you disagree?
Speaker 2: Do you think women have it the same way? One
Speaker 2: eighth Prager seven seven six. One eighth p R A
Speaker 2: g e r seven seven six. A gay man in
Speaker 2: Honolulu on the line, and I know what he's gonna say,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna let him say it because it will
Speaker 2: prove my point even further. One eighth Praguer seven seven six.
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Speaker 2: Dennis Prager here, I love it. Take five one of
Speaker 2: the great jazz things, one of the great gifts to
Speaker 2: my life in the last five years. Appreciation of a
Speaker 2: lot of jazz, happy, optimistic, free music. Just a lot
Speaker 2: of it. I mean a lot of it's junk. A
Speaker 2: lot of every music is drunk. A lot of classical
Speaker 2: is junk. And that's my background. So you know that's
Speaker 2: the way it goes. One eighth Prager seven seven six.
Speaker 2: This study that came out of a Canadian university is
Speaker 2: a good one. Showed guys and girls at the university,
Speaker 2: men and women. They showed them attractive, very attractive, and
Speaker 2: you know, average looking members of the opposite sex, and
Speaker 2: then tested their rationality on a very simple question that
Speaker 2: would determine how reasonable they were. The men lost a
Speaker 2: lot of their rationality after seeing pictures of pretty women,
Speaker 2: and the women were completely unaffected by seeing pictures of
Speaker 2: attractive men. And an attractiveness was taken off a website
Speaker 2: that judges attractiveness of people, the power of the male eye,
Speaker 2: the female power, but not just female. And the proof
Speaker 2: that this isn't societal, but this is innate comes from
Speaker 2: a call that I am about to take from Tim
Speaker 2: in Honolulu on k h n R. Tim Dennis Prager,
Speaker 2: thank you for calling.
Speaker 3: Hi, Hi, Hey, I love Take five.
Speaker 2: Also, how can you not you just need ears?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just wanted to confirm what you said because
Speaker 3: I'm a gay man and my head is turned when
Speaker 3: I see an attractive guy, and I think it is
Speaker 3: innate exactly.
Speaker 2: Gay men are the proof that I always offer for
Speaker 2: male female differences that there is only one difference between
Speaker 2: you and me, is sexually speaking, only one the object
Speaker 2: of our attention of ours, that which attracts us is
Speaker 2: a different sex. But in every other way, the gay
Speaker 2: man and the straight man are sexually the same. That
Speaker 2: is why. By the way, and I don't say this,
Speaker 2: This is not a negative comment, It is just a comment.
Speaker 2: It is far harder I have to believe for gay
Speaker 2: men to stay faithful to one another than for a
Speaker 2: straight man and straight woman.
Speaker 3: Well, that's an ethical thing. I think that's individual.
Speaker 2: It's always individual. But I'm saying it's harder because the
Speaker 2: male drive for variety, which you the gay man, and
Speaker 2: I the straight man have. But I am curbed by
Speaker 2: the fact that I am married to a female, whereas
Speaker 2: you are. You would be bonded to the extent that
Speaker 2: you would be to a man who has the same
Speaker 2: drive for variety.
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true, But it's also a good argument
Speaker 3: for legalizing marriage to give the.
Speaker 2: Well that yeah, that's Andrew Sullivan's argument. We debated that,
Speaker 2: and I'm in his look in fact my essay, I
Speaker 2: I don't it is a good argument if the only
Speaker 2: purpose of marriage is to is to stop promiscuity. But
Speaker 2: but it is not a good argument if if part
Speaker 2: of the reason for marriage is to is to sanctify
Speaker 2: male female relations. But I don't want to get into
Speaker 2: that because your call is extremely valuable for what it says.
Speaker 2: People need to understand the male, the gay male looks
Speaker 2: at men the way the straight male looks at women.
Speaker 2: I mean, I see you know, I I see, I
Speaker 2: see your your journals. I have absolutely often perused them,
Speaker 2: and it is the men. The pictures of the men
Speaker 2: are sex objects. That's why women can't say that men.
Speaker 2: They say that all all, all, you know, sex photos
Speaker 2: of women. This is misogyny. It is no more anti
Speaker 2: female those pictures of women than it is anti male
Speaker 2: the pictures you like of men.
Speaker 3: That's right, it can't be degrading. But I also I
Speaker 3: also know a lot of women whose heads turned a
Speaker 3: lot faster than we might think. And maybe women are
Speaker 3: just less willing to admit it now.
Speaker 2: But this test was not about head turning. This test
Speaker 2: was the effects of seeing a particularly attractive member of
Speaker 2: the other sex on straight men and straight women, and
Speaker 2: the men's rationality ability declined, the women's were unaffected. So
Speaker 2: the fact that a woman's head will turn, and also
Speaker 2: it will turn because the male the what attracts or
Speaker 2: how he walks, how he dresses. I mean, it is
Speaker 2: a very complex constellation of factors. Whereas for the man
Speaker 2: a picture is sufficient, whereas for a woman a picture
Speaker 2: is not sufficient.
Speaker 3: Totally agree.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you for your call to him. I
Speaker 2: appreciate it that. I'll tell you anybody who ever argues
Speaker 2: with you about well, these generalizations about male sexual nature,
Speaker 2: and they're just generalizations. And a lot of women are
Speaker 2: like that. And and anyway, if men are like that,
Speaker 2: it was because it's a sexist society that portrays women
Speaker 2: as sex objects. How do you explain them? Gay men?
Speaker 2: The way they look at men, which is identical? Identical?
Speaker 2: Alrighty one eighth Prager seven seven six. Now let's go
Speaker 2: to Cindy in Peoria, Arizona on KKNT. Hello Cindy, Dennis Prager, Hello.
Speaker 4: Hi, this is such an interesting topic. I finally realized
Speaker 4: how visually motivated men were about three years ago. And
Speaker 4: I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: Wait, and how old are you? I'm thirty four, Okay,
Speaker 2: So it took till thirty one.
Speaker 4: Isn't that disgusting.
Speaker 2: Well, I have a lot of comments on that, and
Speaker 2: I'll make them afterwards. How did it happen at thirty one?
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you. I think it had a lot
Speaker 4: to do with the fact that I was taking my
Speaker 4: faith more seriously. And now this sounds crazy about reading
Speaker 4: the Bible and intensively and realize that God has a
Speaker 4: lot to say about women and men and how women
Speaker 4: dressed and I and just you know the story like
Speaker 4: David and Bathsheba, things like that. And I guess I
Speaker 4: took I gave God more credit than I gave the
Speaker 4: other people in my life.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll put it in a slightly different way. I
Speaker 2: absolutely believe that secular women are far more naive about
Speaker 2: male nature than religious women are. Yes, I would bet,
Speaker 2: I would bet everything on it that secular women understand
Speaker 2: men less than religious women do.
Speaker 4: Yes, in my experience, that is very much the case.
Speaker 4: And I see that in my family that the women
Speaker 4: in my family who do not have any religious conviction,
Speaker 4: they dress no, no, I'm not listening, so I can
Speaker 4: say they dress like horse. And the women in my
Speaker 4: family who love God, they rest in a way that
Speaker 4: shows that they also love men and respect their temptations.
Speaker 2: Right, And it is because they are more willing to
Speaker 2: acknowledge the effect of how they dress on men very much.
Speaker 2: That's right, That's what I mean. They know men better.
Speaker 4: And you know, I'll tell you this whole revelation has
Speaker 4: affected me in two very profound ways, and the first
Speaker 4: one is simply, my relationships with men are so much
Speaker 4: better now. I dress modestly and I can have such
Speaker 4: wonderful conversations with men and they're not just struggled.
Speaker 2: I would ask a woman to do the following test. Obviously,
Speaker 2: you know, a woman would from from basically attractive to
Speaker 2: very attractive. Would I would ask her to do a test,
Speaker 2: and that is at work or anywhere else, to dress provocatively,
Speaker 2: and then to dress modestly. And by modestly, I don't
Speaker 2: mean to the ankles, and I don't mean to the risks,
Speaker 2: and I don't mean to the neck, and I don't
Speaker 2: mean in a bag form fitting. Let the world know
Speaker 2: you're a woman and be proud of that. That's not
Speaker 2: an issue. But I would ask a woman to dress
Speaker 2: both ways and see how the world reacts to her
Speaker 2: under the same conditions, where only her clothing has changed.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Cindy. It's an extremely important call. You've got
Speaker 2: to tell your daughters this. I will tell you why
Speaker 2: girls don't understand this. This has been my puzzle in life,
Speaker 2: and I have an answer. One eighth Prager seven seven six.
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Speaker 2: It's one of those things that is so important people
Speaker 2: don't like to acknowledge it. It is the power of
Speaker 2: the male eye, and it is it is incomparably more
Speaker 2: affected than the female eye. The female is affected through
Speaker 2: far more senses, and the male eye is. It is again,
Speaker 2: incomparably more powerful in its effect on the male than
Speaker 2: the female eye is on the female. This this study,
Speaker 2: That's why I'm reporting to because you know, I'm always uh.
Speaker 2: My view of most studies is either they're wrong or
Speaker 2: they confirm what we already knew. This confirms what we
Speaker 2: already knew, but it confirms it in a way that
Speaker 2: is so powerful that I thought i'd bring it to
Speaker 2: your attention. It's reported in The New Scientists. They showed
Speaker 2: men and women in college pictures are pretty pretty members
Speaker 2: of the opposite sex is judged on the internet as such,
Speaker 2: and the if, the if, the male. The males, as
Speaker 2: the pictures got prettier, made more and more irrational decisions
Speaker 2: on a very simple monetary matter, whereas the women were
Speaker 2: completely unaffected in the irrational capacity. Now, women's reason is
Speaker 2: profoundly affected by when she is in love, when she
Speaker 2: is emotionally caught up, or whatever it is in a
Speaker 2: man for other reasons. But we're talking now just about
Speaker 2: the power of looks. Here we have a thirty four
Speaker 2: year old woman just called and said she didn't realize
Speaker 2: this till thirty one, and she felt funny about it.
Speaker 2: And there are a lot of women who don't realize
Speaker 2: it at any age. And certainly girls don't understand this.
Speaker 2: There's no way they could. We understand the world through
Speaker 2: our own experience. But if you don't experience it that way,
Speaker 2: I mean, do the boys' legs at high school have
Speaker 2: the same effect on a girl in high school that
Speaker 2: girl's legs have on boys? Of course not. The idea
Speaker 2: is preposterous. Oh my my god. I gotta have him.
Speaker 2: I saw his legs. I mean, the idea is idiotic.
Speaker 2: There is no comparable issue of power between the male
Speaker 2: and the female when I talk about male sexual nature,
Speaker 2: and I do a great deal, and is important, so
Speaker 2: important for women to understand this and to understand that
Speaker 2: their husband is not is not sick if he sees,
Speaker 2: if he's attracted to billboards and to pictures and so on.
Speaker 2: The issue of whether one should keep looking is a
Speaker 2: religious issue, is a psychological issue that's separate, but it
Speaker 2: is not abnormal. Don't call a man sick who's not sick.
Speaker 2: And I and I have I have a great piece
Speaker 2: of advice. For example, for the guy who on a
Speaker 2: date can't stop looking around, I tell him you should
Speaker 2: sit in the restaurant and face the wall. Very simple.
Speaker 2: You have a just if you can't stop it, because
Speaker 2: there are guys who do it when they're out with guys.
Speaker 2: Forget that. When I have been at lunches with guys
Speaker 2: and I can't talk to him, I call him radar
Speaker 2: run where the you know the the He's like a
Speaker 2: radar tower, just moving from side to side. All right,
Speaker 2: let's go to uh. By the way, do you agree.
Speaker 2: I made a very bold statement that I believe that
Speaker 2: in general, religious women understand men better than secular women do.
Speaker 2: I have said frequently that my grandmother, who never went
Speaker 2: to school ever had no schooling, understood men better than
Speaker 2: the average woman who gets a PhD in sociology, and
Speaker 2: not just sociology, maybe even psychology. That is how That
Speaker 2: is a good example, by the way of why I
Speaker 2: think that there was so little wisdom at the universities.
Speaker 2: This is a classic example. You have all that studying
Speaker 2: and you won't even acknowledge this basic difference between between
Speaker 2: men and women. I Pepper Pike, Ohio and Dan Dan
Speaker 2: on WCCD.
Speaker 5: High Hie Dennis, thanks for taking a call.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Wanted to note I wanted to make notice something. I
Speaker 5: happened to work a lot with the some Orthodox Jews
Speaker 5: and they noticed that one day that some of them
Speaker 5: have strings hanging out off the corners of their of
Speaker 5: their pants. That's correct, and I asked them about what
Speaker 5: the why why is it? And they said one of
Speaker 5: the reasons why is because there's a biblical command not
Speaker 5: to run after your eyes, that you should see the
Speaker 5: strings and to remember that is exactly right, and not
Speaker 5: to chase after your eyes. But it's interesting to note
Speaker 5: that Jewish women do not have the command. But you're
Speaker 5: very that's right, you're very like you're saying that's.
Speaker 2: Right because women, women's eyes get them in trouble with
Speaker 2: more with objects than they do with men. Exactly, she
Speaker 2: will see a jewelry, she will see a home, and
Speaker 2: she will really or clothing and then she, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: may make compromise your values in order to get that right.
Speaker 5: But it all biblically based.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the whole point. See, you're raised, many of
Speaker 2: you were raised at secular college in high school to
Speaker 2: think that the religious folks are out of it. Some are,
Speaker 2: there's no question, But in this society it's more the
Speaker 2: secular folks who are out of it. We'll be back
Speaker 2: in a moment, all right, everybody talking about the power
Speaker 2: of the eye in men. This is a study that
Speaker 2: I reported to you, and we'll try to put alan.
Speaker 2: We'll try to put this up at the website there.
Speaker 2: It's it's a fascinating study. It's originally reported in New
Speaker 2: Scientists dot com. It comes from McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario.
Speaker 2: The men acting irrationally after just seeing pictures of pretty women.
Speaker 2: The women and the watch seeing pictures of attractive men
Speaker 2: having no effect on their rationality whatsoever. Let's go to
Speaker 2: some of those who disagree or at least have different takes.
Speaker 2: Some don't anyway, we'll go to all types. Got good
Speaker 2: calls here. Let's go to JT in the Phoenix on
Speaker 2: KKNT Hi.
Speaker 6: JT, Hey, Dennis, Hi say, I just think it's an
Speaker 6: interesting observation, simply that. And I don't know if this
Speaker 6: is supported biblically at all. But I have, in all
Speaker 6: the job interviews I've had in different jobs throughout my life,
Speaker 6: then offered jobs based on phone interviews by women twice,
Speaker 6: but never by a man. It was I always had
Speaker 6: to be seen. They all had to be a face
Speaker 6: to face, meaning an interview process in that.
Speaker 2: Situation, whereas the men were hired on the phone. Is
Speaker 2: that what you're saying?
Speaker 6: No, I'm sorry. I have in all my years of interviewing,
Speaker 6: I have on two occasions been hired based on a
Speaker 6: phone interview by a woman.
Speaker 2: But oh, I see, I see, Okay, Yeah that's interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is interesting.
Speaker 6: I've been hired by a man without a face to
Speaker 6: face interview.
Speaker 2: Never but twice by a woman.
Speaker 3: But twice.
Speaker 2: Well that that is interesting, because I I it is
Speaker 2: absolutely I think it's a good example of a difference.
Speaker 2: But I think it's ought to hire anybody without seeing them,
Speaker 2: to be perfectly.
Speaker 6: Honest, and yet two women have done it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and I believe you. But the question is
Speaker 2: with the men who It would be interesting. Would the
Speaker 2: men who insisted on seeing you also equally insist on
Speaker 2: seeing a man before they hired him see? That would
Speaker 2: be an interesting question. You know, maybe the visual even
Speaker 2: in that case is important to men. But anyway, but
Speaker 2: it's a very good it's a good example. I think
Speaker 2: it's a fair one. Thank you very much for that call.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Leslian Manhattan Beach, California on KRLA. Hello
Speaker 2: Leslie Dennis Prager.
Speaker 7: Hi, Dennis. I was prompted to call because your conversation
Speaker 7: with the woman in her thirties. First of all, I
Speaker 7: wanted to say it took her till she was in
Speaker 7: her thirties. I found out that men were visually affected
Speaker 7: when I was thirteen and used to walk to school
Speaker 7: in my Catholic schoolgirls outfit, and no just that grown
Speaker 7: men would stop in traffic. So why it took her
Speaker 7: that long to realize how men were visually affected. I
Speaker 7: don't really understand.
Speaker 2: Well, well, it's interesting that you went you went to
Speaker 2: Catholic school. Well you went to Catholic school.
Speaker 7: I went to Catholic.
Speaker 2: Well that may but I believe that in in traditional
Speaker 2: religious places, they teach about the concept of modesty and
Speaker 2: the effect of clothing on men more readily than at
Speaker 2: other places, and that that may have been you may
Speaker 2: have had already a thought process that enabled you to
Speaker 2: understand why they were stopping. I want to tell you something.
Speaker 2: I ran an institute for college age kids for seven years.
Speaker 2: They would spend the summers there in warm southern California,
Speaker 2: and they could dress any way they wanted. And I
Speaker 2: remember a conversation with an intelligent a girl of nineteen
Speaker 2: or twenty who dressed very provocatively and had something to
Speaker 2: provoke with. And when we had our one on one meeting,
Speaker 2: I asked her, how's your summer going? And she opened
Speaker 2: up to me because they knew they could, and she said, well,
Speaker 2: you know, I really feel the men don't relate to me.
Speaker 2: Is real. I think they relate to me as a
Speaker 2: sex object. And I said to her, do you think
Speaker 2: there might be any reason for that? And she said,
Speaker 2: I can't think of any and I you know I
Speaker 2: want I wanted to throw my chair at her.
Speaker 7: Well, I got to tell you something. I got to
Speaker 7: disagree because the reason I called is because I feel
Speaker 7: what I want to say is when you when a
Speaker 7: woman puts on a victorious secret push up bra, you
Speaker 7: you act as if what what what you're saying? What
Speaker 7: I infer from what you're saying is she has no idea?
Speaker 2: What oll no? No? When a woman does that, You're right, obviously,
Speaker 2: But I want to tell you something right now. I
Speaker 2: tell you half the women in this country are likely
Speaker 2: to say that they they dress a certain way, or
Speaker 2: they have a a an enhanced breast operation or what
Speaker 2: have you for, and has nothing to do with how
Speaker 2: they will look to men.
Speaker 7: Dennis, What we say and what we really mean are
Speaker 7: two different things. No woman is going to come on
Speaker 7: the radio and tell you the truth.
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 7: Why should she?
Speaker 2: Why should wait? Wait? Why shouldn't she?
Speaker 7: Women have bad natures, Just like I could.
Speaker 2: Agree with you, I both.
Speaker 7: Sexist, and what our nature says is that's the man
Speaker 7: I want him. I don't care what I have to
Speaker 7: do together.
Speaker 2: I agree with you entirely, I do. But I'm telling
Speaker 2: you that there was a tremendous amount of self denial
Speaker 2: on the conscious level. There is, you know, I just
Speaker 2: the whole feminist the whole feminist thing is men, we
Speaker 2: dress the way we want. You have nothing to say
Speaker 2: about it. We dressed the way we want for our
Speaker 2: own reasons, and you know, if it bothers you, that's
Speaker 2: your problem.
Speaker 7: But Dennis, I never met a hardcore feminist woman who
Speaker 7: wore a push up bra in short short.
Speaker 2: Yes, but they but women don't wear push up bras
Speaker 2: is general outdoors as much as they will as lingerie
Speaker 2: for their for their man. I mean, let's be honest.
Speaker 2: I mean the push up bra you're taking an extreme
Speaker 2: example just in the normally provocative clothing that is worn
Speaker 2: today by young women. If you interviewed the women and
Speaker 2: you and you gave them truth serum, and you ask
Speaker 2: them why are you wearing this? And I bet you,
Speaker 2: on a conscious level, half of it would be they
Speaker 2: just want to look attractive. And they say, well, do
Speaker 2: you want to sexually excite men? No, that's not it.
Speaker 7: Well, Dennis, they may not answer yes to I want
Speaker 7: to sexually excite men. But if you ask a fourteen
Speaker 7: year old girl when you were hip huggers like that
Speaker 7: to the boys pay attention to you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do, Yes, pay attention. Yes, that's right, pay attention.
Speaker 2: But its effect on the mail is not something that
Speaker 2: most girls. I would say ninety percent of girls do
Speaker 2: not understand by the way they can't. I don't blame them.
Speaker 2: I blame pair terrans for not teaching them.
Speaker 7: Well, I gotta choose to disagree with you because I remember,
Speaker 7: I know, but that was.
Speaker 2: The I know, but as a Catholic school, and I
Speaker 2: already addressed that fact. And uh, and I'll tell you
Speaker 2: there is something special about the Catholic school uniforms. I
Speaker 2: don't know what to tell you. Be that as it may.
Speaker 2: I really believe that because it was a Catholic school
Speaker 2: and they did teach these things, that that may have
Speaker 2: been a factor in the way you understood why the
Speaker 2: cars were slowing down. Final segment on this If you
Speaker 2: want to get in one eight praguer is a great call.
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Speaker 2: A G E R seven seven six Are women aware?
Speaker 2: Are girls aware? Of what I'm talking about. You're listening
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Speaker 2: All right, everybody, let's get us my make calls as possible. Here.
Speaker 2: Do women understand the power of man's eye and its
Speaker 2: effect on them when they're seeing women in the way
Speaker 2: they're dressed, et cetera. Christina in San Diego is going
Speaker 2: to refute the last caller. I guess, Hi, Christina, Dennis Prager, Hi, Hi,
Speaker 2: I just disagree.
Speaker 8: With the woman that was left on. I just feel
Speaker 8: like day. For example, this morning, I was in sweat
Speaker 8: and a sweatshirt of ques play outfit. But now I'm
Speaker 8: going out to lunch with my husband and we're just
Speaker 8: gonna go to the mall. And I feel better about
Speaker 8: myself when I feel like I have a pretty good figure.
Speaker 8: I'm thirty four years old, I have two children. I
Speaker 8: feel great about myself. I want to you know, I'm
Speaker 8: proud of me. I'm gonna put something on that says
Speaker 8: I'm proud of me. It's not to make guys tongues
Speaker 8: wag or to make women go oh, God, do you
Speaker 8: see what she's got on. I have on four footing jeans,
Speaker 8: a nice fitted turtleneck. And you know what it's all
Speaker 8: about how it makes you feel as a woman. If
Speaker 8: that's what makes you feel good about you, and you're
Speaker 8: gonna have a positive outlook on others in on life
Speaker 8: just by how you dress. They're dressed like that, and
Speaker 8: those fourteen your own girls that are wearing those hip hunters,
Speaker 8: good for them. They feel good about themselves. I mean
Speaker 8: more women are going to the gym now. They're feeling
Speaker 8: better about themselves, you know they. I just think that
Speaker 8: for other women or men to criticize women that wear
Speaker 8: things form fitting and say they look like sless or whatever,
Speaker 8: I think it's because that person doesn't feel good enough
Speaker 8: about themselves to put something on. It says, look at me,
Speaker 8: here I am, I've walked into the room. You can
Speaker 8: come talk to me.
Speaker 2: Okay, I thank you. I you know, I've spoken so much.
Speaker 2: I just want to take calls there. But that that
Speaker 2: is what exactly what I argued to the last call er.
Speaker 2: That is what a lot of women will say. It
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with its effect on men, and
Speaker 2: they don't even know what the effect might be, and
Speaker 2: it is not of interest to them now whether that
Speaker 2: is correct or not, or good or not, or bad
Speaker 2: or not. We have talked about good or bad. But
Speaker 2: I am telling you that a lot of girls today
Speaker 2: do not know the effect on men. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: Christina doesn't. I don't know she does or doesn't, but
Speaker 2: she is saying, on any conscious level, I am doing
Speaker 2: it because this is the way I like the way
Speaker 2: I look. And that is why I'm saying there is
Speaker 2: in this As in so much of life, there's a
Speaker 2: religious secular divide in understanding men and having a sense
Speaker 2: of well, wait a minute, if it does have effect B.
Speaker 2: If dressing in fashion A has effect A or effect
Speaker 2: B on men, the religious female is more likely to say, well,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, feeling good about myself can't be the
Speaker 2: only criterion for the way I dress, Yes, given the
Speaker 2: way it affects men. I'm not here to even advocate,
Speaker 2: as much as I am to clarify there is in
Speaker 2: this arena, and this is only a part of why
Speaker 2: I even raised this. As in so much else, a
Speaker 2: big division in this world between the secular outlook and
Speaker 2: what's called Judaeo Christian you're listening to the Dennis Prager Show.
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