1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Natural Health with naturopathic doctor Lauren Deville. 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: Christian Natural Health is the podcast on how to get 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: and stay healthy God's Way. You'll hear topics on nutrition, exercise, sleep, 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: avoiding toxicity, meditating on scripture, what supplements to take, stress management, 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: defeating anxiety and worry, how to reconcile Eastern medicine approaches 6 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: with Christianity, and a whole lot more. Now here's your host, 7 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: doctor Lauren. 8 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: Before we get into the podcast today, I want to 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: let you know that while I may not agree with 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: the specific language my guest uses to describe as spiritual 11 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: experiences in this episode, I hope you will still be 12 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: able to see how they largely correspond to Biblical principles, 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: specifically Versus that came to mind as he spoke about 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: the universal consciousness that innervates us. All were in Him, 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: all things consist Colossians one seventeen. And He upholds all 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: things by the world of His power Hebrews one three. 17 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: And in Him we live and move and have our 18 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: being Acts seventeen twenty eight. With that disclaimer out of 19 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 2: the way, on with the show, and I hope you enjoy. 20 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Christian Natural Health Today, 21 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: I am very pleased to have doctor Jacob Lieberman with us. 22 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: Doctor Lieberman is a pioneer in the fields of light, 23 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: vision and consciousness and the author of several books, including 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: Take Off Your Glasses and See the one that I 25 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: just finished reading myself. Originally trained as an optometrist and 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 2: vision scientist, his life changed in nineteen seventy six after 27 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: the miraculous healing of his own eyesight, leading him to 28 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: a deeper understanding of light and the science of life. 29 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: Having helped countless individuals recover their eyesight, he began to 30 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 2: understand the words of Jonathan Swift, real vision is the 31 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: ability to see the invisible. Welcome, doctor Lieberman, thank you 32 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: so much for joining us. 33 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 3: Lauren, please call me Jacob. 34 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 4: I will okay, and. 35 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 3: I am touched to be here with you. For me 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 3: and Maui. It's just eight o'clock in the morning, and 37 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 3: so I get a chance to start my day with 38 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: your smiling face. I don't know anything that could be 39 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 3: better than that. 40 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 4: Fantastic, very cool. So I'm curious your original story. So 41 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 4: nineteen seventy six, you had the miraculous healing of your 42 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 4: own vision, tell us, tell us how that occurred. 43 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: I was doing my medical training between sixty nine and 44 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 3: seventy three. I graduated in seventy three, and my practice 45 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 3: was never a general optometric practice. My practice was a 46 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 3: referral practice where I dealt with issues that other practitioners 47 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: couldn't deal with or didn't want to deal with. And interesting, 48 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 3: one of the things that I spent a lot of 49 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: time is working with thousands of children who were labeled 50 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 3: as having some sort of learning, behavioral or reading difficulties. 51 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 3: And so I had to develop ways of helping them 52 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 3: to experience their maximum potential. And I had to do 53 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 3: it in such a way that not only they discovered 54 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: something they never considered, but hopefully, over time the labeling 55 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: would begin to disintegrate, because, as I said to physicians 56 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 3: for years, it's not the disease that kills you, it's 57 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 3: the diagnosis. Yeah. 58 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 4: There's a lot to that, yeah. 59 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: And so the moment we label something, we may be 60 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 3: able to eradicate it from the body, but it is very, 61 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: very difficult to eradicate it from the mind, for sure, 62 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 3: because we have been conditioned about the mind in such 63 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 3: a way that we've lost touch with what's truly seeing 64 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 3: and guiding us. We think as it's little chattering device 65 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: that we hear that we speak of in the head, 66 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 3: but it's actually not that. And so for me, I 67 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 3: noticed something very profound because I was one of those kids. 68 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 3: Oh really okay, yeah, And I also tried very hard 69 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 3: as they try very hard, and I realized it wasn't 70 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 3: because of a lack of interest or a lack of effort. 71 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 3: I had to examine, were we conditioned to use effort 72 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 3: or thinking ahead and so on in order to learn, 73 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 3: or does learning occur in a different way? Okay? And 74 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 3: what I noticed with these tens of thousands of children 75 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: is that whenever they went into the mind in order 76 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: to figure out whatever was going on or how to 77 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 3: achieve it, they all noticed that their brain got locked up. Okay, 78 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 3: so they felt hue tied, but really what was going 79 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 3: on is something locked up in the brain and they 80 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 3: couldn't even remember what the directions were were, certainly how 81 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 3: to get through it. And so I developed ways of well, 82 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 3: first of all, I had to allow them to discover 83 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: what actually occurred when they were involved in this thing 84 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 3: we've all been led to believe gives us the answers. 85 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: It's called thinking, right, except it's really not thinking. It's worrying. 86 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 4: Sure, right, and. 87 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 3: That is stressful. And so what I discovered from working 88 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: with these thousands of kids is that every time they 89 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 3: did that, they weren't able to achieve their goal. Okay, yeah, 90 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: But when that effort or process relaxed, the answer they 91 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: were looking for came by itself. 92 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 4: Interesting, Okay, it came. 93 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: Without looking for it. And so I started to gather 94 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: some insights about all this, and I took a body 95 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: of work that I had experienced through a practitioner who 96 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: has now passed away, and I I started seeing it 97 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: in a very different way than he saw it. And 98 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 3: then when I shared that with these kids in the 99 00:07:54,320 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 3: midst of an experience that they couldn't do with the mind, 100 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, they'd have these moments where 101 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: the answer would come and they had no idea how. 102 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 4: So you took them out of the moment of the 103 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 4: pressure somehow in order to allow them to relax, and 104 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 4: then they realized they already knew the answer. 105 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 3: Before. You can put the mind aside and allow it 106 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: to do whatever it does quietly in the background. Yeah, 107 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 3: you have to discover what it actually does. Okay, now 108 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: we have all kinds of theories about that. I mean, 109 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 3: no one explained it to us. But when I was 110 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 3: going through school, which was probably before you were born, 111 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 3: you know, we were led to believe that humans were 112 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 3: more evolved than all the other specie because we had 113 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 3: something called the mind that could think, and thinking sounded 114 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: like a very intellectually intellectual process that was very complex, 115 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 3: and so on. We all were conditioned to believe that 116 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 3: and became habituated and eventually addicted to continually be interacting 117 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: with this chatter and believing that that's the way the 118 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 3: answers would come. Now, I not only spent years working 119 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: with children, I then had the pleasure of working with 120 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: top notch athletes the US Olympic team, pro golfers, pro 121 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: tennis players, pro bowlers, and I discovered that what they 122 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: were looking for, which they call the zone or whatever, 123 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 3: was exactly what I'd help these kids discover that would 124 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:46,239 Speaker 3: transform them from being totally stressed out in the classroom 125 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 3: and underachieving to achieving from a much more relaxed place 126 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 3: and a much more trusting place, and having a whole 127 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 3: different sense of self. In fact, I can remember since 128 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: we're talking about Take Off your Glasses and See, which 129 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: was released in nineteen ninety five. Now, I used to 130 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 3: live in Miami, Florida, but in nineteen ninety five I 131 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 3: was living in Aspen, Colorado. And when the book was released, 132 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: I came to Miami as part of my book tour, 133 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 3: and I was sitting with a little table in front 134 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: of me at a very highly respected bookstore on Miami Beach. 135 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 3: I had done a small talk and I was doing 136 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 3: a book signing all of us. You know, there's a 137 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 3: whole line of people waiting for me to sign their books. 138 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 3: All of a sudden, I look up and there's this 139 00:11:55,600 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 3: young man I don't know. He's six foot something, and 140 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 3: he says, doctor Lieberman, do you remember me? No? He said, 141 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: I'm So and So's son. And all of a sudden 142 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: I remembered his mother, who used to bring him in 143 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 3: for vision training. And I smiled, and he said, you 144 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: remember you used to have me jumping up and down 145 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 3: on the trampoline in your office and you gave me 146 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 3: those special glasses that helped me to read better. I said, yes, 147 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 3: I do remember. I said, what what are you doing 148 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 3: these days? He says, I'm just about to start medical school. 149 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 4: That's fantastic, very cool. 150 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 3: And I can't tell you how many of those kids 151 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 3: that I had the pleasure of working with and learning 152 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 3: from their whole life opened up. In fact, I was 153 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 3: taking a walk on Maui a day or two ago 154 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 3: and I saw a couple and they're my age, and 155 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 3: I used to work with the family as well as 156 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: their adult kids. One of them was almost a pro 157 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 3: level golfer who had lost his eyesight, and I helped 158 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 3: him to regain that and optimize his game. And I'd 159 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 3: work with all of them in one way or the other. 160 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 3: And Bill, the gentleman's name, is talking to me, and 161 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 3: he says, oh, and the greatest thing is all of 162 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 3: our kids are so successful. And I looked at him 163 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 3: because I shared with him years ago not to worry. 164 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 3: They'll find their way. He said, yeah, you were right 165 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 3: about that. I said, we all find our way, and 166 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 3: we all learn in a different way. And so I've 167 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 3: seen this in my own life. I was a kid 168 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: who didn't enjoy reading. Reading put me to sleep, and 169 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 3: so I've read very little in my life. I used 170 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 3: to think that was a problem, something was wrong with me. 171 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: But I learned through direct experience. And when I say 172 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 3: direct experience, I don't mean everyday kind of experiences. We 173 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 3: all learned from that. Yeah, a direct experience for me 174 00:14:51,960 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 3: is an experience of unfiltered awareness. Now, your show, the 175 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 3: name of your show was the Christian Something Natural Health. Yeah, 176 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 3: Christian Natural Health. I imagine that most, if not all, 177 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 3: of your listeners had an experience they can't describe, where 178 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: all of a sudden they saw something clearly in a 179 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: way they had never seen it. It was beyond belief, 180 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: it was just absolutely something. Maybe you can call it 181 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 3: a religious experience. These words are more than just expressions. 182 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 3: They mean something. And so a direct experience is a 183 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 3: glimpse through the eyes of God. It's a moment where 184 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, something occurs and you've never seen 185 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,239 Speaker 3: anything like that. And so I'll give you an example, 186 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 3: which was your original question, what happened to me in 187 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six. Well, when I went into college, and 188 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 3: I mentioned before that I was not much of a reader. 189 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 3: Immediately I had a giant amount of reading, very complex reading. 190 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 3: And I was just at university less than two weeks 191 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 3: and we had some sort of an examination and in 192 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 3: the middle of the test. I remember because I always 193 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 3: had amazingly excellent eyesight. I was writing an answer. I 194 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 3: looked up at the blackboard and the blackboard was blurry, interesting, 195 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 3: and I I felt almost like a cold sweat. I 196 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 3: didn't know what happened, but I was scared, and they 197 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 3: sent me to the infirmary, and the infirmary sent me 198 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 3: to an aphthalmologist. The aphthalmologist checked my eyes. I had 199 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 3: a prescription which was close to pure water, almost nothing, 200 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 3: but he prescribed glasses, and I didn't know any better. 201 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 3: I put them on, and yes, I could see. But 202 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 3: every six months or a year, my eyesight kept getting 203 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 3: worse and worse and worse. And pretty much everyone that 204 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 3: wears glasses notice is that phenomenon? And what came to 205 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 3: me as I was going through my optometric training and 206 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 3: my vision science training is if a problem continued used 207 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 3: to get worse, the solution cannot possibly be the solution. 208 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 4: Very good point. 209 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 3: And so I had a real interest in preventive vision 210 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 3: care from the very first day I went into practice, 211 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 3: and even when I was in school, and I was 212 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 3: also very interested in seeing could these conditions be reversed? 213 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 3: Was there some regenerative process that could occur. And I 214 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 3: don't like to share anything at the time with my 215 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 3: patients unless it was something that I knew by heart, 216 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: unless it was something that I had personally experienced. And 217 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 3: the reason for that is that as physicians, regardless of 218 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: what type of physician we are, we've been led to 219 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 3: believe that our techniques and our therapies that's what we 220 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 3: have to offer. There's very little value placed on us. 221 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 3: And yet our connection with each other might be the 222 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 3: most potent aspect of whatever it is we share with 223 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 3: our patients or anyone that we are inspired to support. 224 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 3: And so I started looking at all these kinds of 225 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 3: things very very early. I would say that that most 226 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 3: of my work in the early seventies was you might 227 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 3: call mind body medicine, and eventually took me to a 228 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 3: place that was beyond mind, which we'll get into. But 229 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 3: what happened to me was I was trying all kinds 230 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 3: of things, going without my glasses, reducing my eyeglass prescriptions 231 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 3: very gradually, and all these things had an effect, but 232 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: it didn't get me past the goal line. And at 233 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 3: the time, because I was searching and experiencing so many 234 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 3: interesting things, One of the things that I began doing 235 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 3: in the early seventies was meditating, And at the time, 236 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 3: I thought meditation was about quieting the mind, and I 237 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 3: soon realized that the mind would quiet temporarily but would 238 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 3: soon begin again. And what was of interest to me 239 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 3: was not the twenty minutes I meditated, but the other 240 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 3: twenty three hours and forty minutes. Was there a transfer 241 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 3: into my everyday life. Now these days and for many 242 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 3: years now, my life has been my meditation. That's where 243 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 3: all of it is happening. And what I learned from 244 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 3: meditating in those days is that I wasn't the mind. 245 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 3: Whatever was my essence was observing or witnessing this activity 246 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 3: we call mind, right, Yeah, And as my identification gradually 247 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 3: moved from believing it's my mind, I can change my 248 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 3: mind and all these different expressions to realizing that I 249 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 3: was that which was witnessing from no point of view. 250 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 3: And that was really critical because from and this is 251 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 3: just my direct experience, everyone has to look at their 252 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: own as their own guidance. But I was never aware 253 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 3: of any talking by that witness. It merely was seeing 254 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 3: and my senses that it saw way, way, way beyond 255 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 3: anything that I had ever seen with my eyes or 256 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 3: even imagined with the mind, And so this particular Sunday, 257 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 3: I went and I sat down, and I went into 258 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 3: my I took my glasses off, began meditating, and somewhere 259 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 3: in the process I was aware of everything in the room. 260 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 3: I was literally seeing it, but my eyes were closed, 261 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 3: and usually with my eyes open and without my life glasses, 262 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 3: things were blurry. But my eyes were closed, glasses were 263 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 3: not on, and I could see everything in the room, 264 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 3: including myself, with a level of clarity that was scintillating. 265 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 3: It wasn't just clear like I can read the eye chart. 266 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 3: The space in between whatever was seeing and that which 267 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 3: was being observed was like filled with little snowflakes, you know. 268 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 3: It just it was almost as though whatever was seeing 269 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 3: was seeing both on a physical and energetic level simultaneously. 270 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 4: And from as you're talking from a scriptural standpoint, what's 271 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 4: occurring to me is that we are body mind. Spirit 272 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 4: is what it teaches, and so you're describing the perspective 273 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 4: from spirit, which we don't have direct stacked too through 274 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 4: our bodies. But the mind is kind of a mediator. Interesting, okay, And. 275 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 3: We may actually be the spirit. We think is outside 276 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 3: of us, right, we may actually we may actually be 277 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 3: an expression of that divinity. And aside from that particular experience, 278 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 3: one of the things that impacted me in this meditative 279 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 3: state is that I could not determine where the seeing 280 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 3: was happening from. 281 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 4: That's fascinating. 282 00:25:54,920 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 3: It felt holographic, it felt as so the seeing was 283 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 3: simultaneously occurring from all vantage points, which created which created 284 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 3: a seeing without a point of view. It was all 285 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 3: just seeing. When my eyes opened, everything was crystal clear. 286 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 4: For how long. 287 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 3: It's been that way? And I'm seventy eight. 288 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 4: Now, ever since wow, And. 289 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 3: At first it was like, oh my god, what happened here? 290 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 3: And then quickly it was oh my god, what the 291 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 3: hell is wrong? You know, because this is not supposed 292 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 3: to happen and so and at the time, my license 293 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 3: said I needed glasses in order to see while driving. 294 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 3: So I always had my glasses on, especially when I 295 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 3: was driving and when I was in the office, because 296 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 3: I needed to make sure that I could see what 297 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 3: the patient was telling me, to make sure that they 298 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 3: were reading it accurately. I was so astonished that I 299 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 3: drove myself to my office but didn't put my glasses 300 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 3: on because I didn't need them, but I had them 301 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 3: on the seat next to me in case the cop 302 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 3: pulled me over, I could immediately put him on sure. 303 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 3: But everything was clear, the license plates, the street signs, 304 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 3: the billboards. I drove half an hour to my office. 305 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 3: I sat myself in my examination chair. Most eye doctors 306 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 3: these days, in order to save money, rather than having 307 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 3: a twenty five foot room where the patient is twenty 308 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 3: feet from the eye chart, which is called optical infinity, 309 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 3: they compress everything into an eight foot or ten foot room, 310 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 3: and it's literally all done with mirrors. 311 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 4: Really oh wow. 312 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 3: The projector projects into a mirror which is then reflected 313 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 3: oh wow, and you think you're seeing you're getting accurate information, 314 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 3: but the person knows that they're not seeing oft into 315 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 3: the distance, that they're just looking at something eight or 316 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 3: nine feet away. So at that time I had a 317 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 3: twenty five foot exam room. My examination chair was exactly 318 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 3: twenty feet away from the eye chart. I sat in 319 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 3: my chair. At that time, I was also a researcher, 320 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 3: and I had just received a new automated projector from 321 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 3: American Optical Corporation, and it had hundreds of eye charts 322 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 3: that I had never seen in my life. So I 323 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 3: just start going through one and the next one, and 324 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 3: the next one and the next one, and each time 325 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 3: I'm reading three hundred percent better. Wow, I'm reading one 326 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 3: line lower than twenty twenty. And at that time all 327 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 3: I was able to see without my glasses was the 328 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 3: big ee at the top of the chart. And so 329 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 3: I'm seeing three hundred percent better. I'm not stressing or 330 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 3: straining or squinting or anything. Maybe my prescription has disappeared. 331 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 3: So I took my examination device, it's called a feropter, 332 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 3: and I put in a bunch of lenses that made 333 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 3: everything blurry so I would have no idea what I 334 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 3: was doing. I sat behind it and then I just 335 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 3: slowly changed the power, even though I didn't know exactly 336 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 3: what the power was in there. And I did that 337 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 3: examining myself in the same way as I examined my patients. 338 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 3: I then realized why my patients were so confused when 339 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 3: I said to them, is it better number one or 340 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 3: number two? And they said, let me see it again, 341 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 3: and so on, because we're constantly questioning ourselves through the mind. Anyway, 342 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 3: when I finished, and I thought I was going to 343 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 3: come out from the device and it would show no prescription, 344 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 3: and because how ouse could I be seen clearly? But 345 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 3: in fact the prescription that was in the device was 346 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 3: almost identical to what was in my glasses. Interesting, And 347 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 3: I sat there and I said, how is it possible 348 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 3: for me to be reading three hundred percent better and 349 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 3: yet the optical measurements of my eyes have not changed? 350 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 3: And then I remembered that expression, the eyes of the 351 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 3: windows of the soul. Maybe the eyes are not the 352 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 3: mechanism of seeing. They're merely the transparent biological window that 353 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 3: goes into somewhere within us that has the ability to see. Now, 354 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 3: I didn't know, and I spent the next four years 355 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 3: in an ongoing experiment I called an experiment on the 356 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 3: workings of my mind, because at that time I was 357 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 3: convinced it was mine. And I thought, Wow, if I 358 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 3: could just figure out what that button is that I 359 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 3: need to press to see what happened, I could then 360 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 3: share that with the world. And I looked, and I looked, 361 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 3: and I looked, but I was looking forward in the mind. 362 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 4: So yeah, the materialist perspective that everything exists in the 363 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 4: body essentially, yeah. 364 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 3: Right, And it wasn't there. I couldn't. I couldn't get 365 00:32:51,840 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 3: any sense from that. This says I mentioned before that 366 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 3: I did with kids and with athletes that allowed them 367 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 3: to allowed them to experience effortless learning. It's probably precisely 368 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 3: what happens when we're able to see effortlessly. And I 369 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 3: now realize it's exactly what happens when someone has a 370 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 3: spiritual awakening, and we think we have to do things 371 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 3: to make that happen. So people say, well, what kind 372 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 3: of meditation were you doing? No, doesn't have anything to 373 00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 3: do with any of that. What do I have to do? Nothing? Yeah, 374 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,959 Speaker 3: and why do I say that? So you're a physician, 375 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 3: and you know that when both of us came out 376 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 3: of our mother's womb, we were in a wet environment, 377 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 3: if you will, that was warm and dark. Now all 378 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 3: of a sudden, come out and it's dry, it's cold, 379 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 3: it's exceedingly bright. And whoever delivers us, I imagine, is 380 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 3: first noticing. Is the body doing this? Is the body 381 00:34:54,160 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 3: expanding and contracting. We seem to limit that to the 382 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 3: respiratory cycle. Okay, but that is going on in every 383 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 3: single thing in the universe. Everything is continually expanding and contracting, 384 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 3: including the Earth, the universe, everything in the body, the 385 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 3: vascular system, and so on. This begins. The heart begins 386 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 3: to pump and adjust itself as it needs to continually, 387 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 3: our blood pressure or hormonal release, every physiological function magically 388 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 3: begins without us doing anything, and it does that throughout 389 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 3: our life until the final breath. Everything is being taken 390 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 3: care of. And yet we're conditioned to believe that we 391 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 3: have to make it happen, that we have to do something. 392 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 3: And what I've come to discover in relation to seeing, being, 393 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 3: learning and perhaps everything else, is that life is living us, 394 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 3: and everything is designed to function on its own, and 395 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 3: anything we do in an attempt to make things happen, 396 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 3: it's like putting a wrench in the works. And so 397 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 3: as a nature path you do things that are supportive. 398 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 3: They work along with not in opposition too exactly. And 399 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:24,240 Speaker 3: so all of these experiences that I had have brought 400 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 3: me to a place you said, well, how long did 401 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:36,919 Speaker 3: that clarity last? I think it's in May of this year. 402 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,280 Speaker 3: It will be fifty years. 403 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 4: It's amazing. 404 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 3: Now, if that lasted for five minutes, you'd say, oh 405 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:50,240 Speaker 3: my god, that's amazing. But I'm seventy eight years old. 406 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:58,439 Speaker 3: I'll be seventy nine in November, and I still see 407 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 3: well without my glasses at distance and even reading. 408 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 4: So I'm wondering too, though, because as you were talking 409 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 4: and describing the difficulty these children originally had with learning, 410 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 4: it seemed as though your technique for helping them to 411 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 4: learn effortlessly was to give them essentially what you call 412 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 4: in your book open focus. 413 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 3: This idea of it was a little different from that. 414 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 3: Let me give you. Let me give you an example. Okay, 415 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 3: I want you to imagine that there's a whiteboard near you, 416 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 3: and there's a couple of rows of arrows, which I 417 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 3: believe are also in they are. Take off your glasses 418 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 3: and see and they're pointing in different directions. And I 419 00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 3: ask you to look at the chart as if you 420 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 3: were reading, going left to right, and immediately initially just 421 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 3: call out the direction of the arrows. Most people can 422 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 3: do that, even though they start questioning themselves. And so 423 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 3: what I do with this technique is that I have 424 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 3: them notice what's actually occurring inside. Okay, everyone's concerned about 425 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 3: getting the right answers, but what is obscured, which is 426 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 3: really important, is what's going on inside in this mechanism 427 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:52,399 Speaker 3: we call mind and is that supporting or is that 428 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 3: actually obstructing? 429 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,280 Speaker 4: Okay, and. 430 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 3: This technique would sound begin simple, just call out the direction. 431 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 3: Eventually I have the person calling out the direction and 432 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 3: moving their hands in the same direction, so it's right left, 433 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 3: up down. And then when they get to a level 434 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 3: where that is occurring easily, I say to them, would 435 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 3: you like to try the next level? And they say yeah, 436 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 3: because when they do something good, just like kids, they 437 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,760 Speaker 3: say can I do it again? Yeah? 438 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 4: Right? 439 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 3: So now I say to them, okay, this is a 440 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 3: little different. I want you to call out the direction 441 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,439 Speaker 3: of the arrow and simultaneously allow your hands to move 442 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:58,240 Speaker 3: in the opposite direction. Okay, so it's right, left, up down. 443 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 3: Now I don't do this technique, and I haven't been 444 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 3: god knows when right, but if I had it in 445 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 3: front of me, I could do that for you without 446 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 3: a thought. The system would just drop right in. And 447 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 3: then if they can do that, then I say, okay, 448 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 3: now move your hands in the direction and call out 449 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 3: the opposite Okay. So when you try to think about 450 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 3: doing this, it's overwhelming. Sure, why because you can't do 451 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 3: it with the mind? 452 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 4: Okay. 453 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 3: And so the thing you discover immediately is as soon 454 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:56,720 Speaker 3: as the mind tries to figure out how to do it, 455 00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 3: it scrambles everything, and it only figures it out if 456 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 3: it does for one or two arrows, and then boom, 457 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:11,240 Speaker 3: everything falls apart. And so what I began to notice 458 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 3: is that when we start worrying, because that's most of 459 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,280 Speaker 3: what we call thinking because it sounds intellectual, but it's worrying, 460 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 3: the moment that begins, which has to do with efforting, 461 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 3: we interfere with that fundamental cycle that everyone that brings 462 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 3: a child into this world notices. This expansion in contraction, 463 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 3: which we call breathing. I called the heartbeat of the universe. 464 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 3: It is a movement which is entrained into all things. 465 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 3: It's almost like a frequency of wellness. And so what 466 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 3: I started noticing is here we are trained to believe 467 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 3: that thinking is going to allow us to be successful 468 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 3: at life. And yet when we start doing it, the 469 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 3: breathing cycle constricts and either the breath is held or 470 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 3: the person becomes a clavicular breather where they're breathing in 471 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 3: the upper chest only. And I said, anything that interferes 472 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 3: with that fundamental rhythm can't possibly be the way our 473 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 3: system is designed to function. And so that was a 474 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 3: very early observation on my part, and so when I 475 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,839 Speaker 3: shared that with someone, it wasn't for them to make 476 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 3: a corrective movement, because the changes we experience are not 477 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 3: so much about what we do. It's primarily by what 478 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 3: we are aware of. It is awareness that is curative, okay, 479 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 3: And so everything is about beginning to see not so 480 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:41,800 Speaker 3: much the outside, but what's happening inside that is preceding 481 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 3: what happens in the outside. And so all of these 482 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 3: little exercises, which were fun and also challenging, I would 483 00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:03,719 Speaker 3: introduce very gradually, each time building the capacity of the 484 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 3: person to do something in a way that was easy 485 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 3: and successful for them. 486 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 4: See, you're building confidence. 487 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 3: Well, I what I built. What I did was provide 488 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:27,680 Speaker 3: an experience that allowed them to realize that everything was working. Okay. 489 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:35,840 Speaker 3: The confidence was just there, it was obscured because it 490 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 3: didn't fit and what we thought was supposed to happen. 491 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:46,400 Speaker 3: And so we kept building on this and they began 492 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:54,759 Speaker 3: to notice that the breathing stopped whenever they thought, and 493 00:45:54,840 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 3: whenever they thought they lost their place, they forgot the instructions, 494 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 3: They couldn't figure it out, and they got the wrong answer. Now, 495 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:12,320 Speaker 3: the answer was least important to me. What was important 496 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 3: was the process beginning to notice what's going on and 497 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 3: then allow that noticing to begin to rewire our awareness. 498 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 3: And many years ago, in the eighties, I was doing 499 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:39,600 Speaker 3: a talk at some sort of a national conference in Washington, DC, 500 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 3: and I was sharing about my discoveries about light and 501 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 3: utilizing color in a therapeutic way. And when the talk finished, 502 00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 3: we opened up the Q and A, and there was 503 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,799 Speaker 3: a lady in the audience that raised her hand and 504 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,959 Speaker 3: was telling me she had never heard anyone talk about light, 505 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,760 Speaker 3: much less in this particular way. And she was very 506 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:24,920 Speaker 3: interested because she was a scientist and researcher that was 507 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 3: very much involved in the field of psychoneuroimmunology. And and 508 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:40,879 Speaker 3: so I said, can you share more about your work? 509 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 3: It sounds fascinating, And she says, well, my team and 510 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 3: I have sort of discovered that every state of mind 511 00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 3: is mirrored in our biology. Yeah, that the things that 512 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 3: we believe and are identified with are strongly mirrored in 513 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:17,799 Speaker 3: our biology. And what comes out of my mouth is 514 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 3: what happens if you don't have a point of view, 515 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,960 Speaker 3: and she sort of her head goes back and she says, 516 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:38,359 Speaker 3: I never considered that. Is that possible? I said absolutely, 517 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 3: And that conversation began a multi year friendship with this 518 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,440 Speaker 3: woman whose name was Candace Perk. 519 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,320 Speaker 4: Oh, Yeah, I've read her books. 520 00:48:54,760 --> 00:49:03,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, Candace has passed away now, Yeah, but she visited 521 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:08,320 Speaker 3: me in Aspen. I visited her on the East Coast. 522 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:15,319 Speaker 3: We had marvelous conversations about everything from different ways of 523 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:21,840 Speaker 3: seeing to energetic healing, all kinds of profound conversations. The 524 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 3: point I'm making is that the mind naturally has a 525 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,839 Speaker 3: point of view. It's part of what we call duality. 526 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:46,920 Speaker 3: This witnessing something I was going to say within us, 527 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 3: but I don't know where it is from my direct experience. 528 00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:02,080 Speaker 3: It has no point of view. It doesn't want this 529 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:09,600 Speaker 3: versus this, It doesn't see in that way whatsoever. And 530 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:17,359 Speaker 3: I realize that I had a very short period of 531 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:24,920 Speaker 3: time in nineteen seventy six where I had an experience 532 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:31,560 Speaker 3: of no point of view, and that experience was occurring 533 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:39,239 Speaker 3: initially with my eyes closed, but then transferred into my 534 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 3: everyday experience. 535 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:47,160 Speaker 4: And that's what I find so fascinating, because what it 536 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:52,200 Speaker 4: seems like you're describing point of view versus view what 537 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,080 Speaker 4: you talk about in the book is this concept that 538 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,200 Speaker 4: the glasses are narrowing, narrowing, narrowing to this one crystal 539 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,280 Speaker 4: clear point, and if you're just looking through that point, 540 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 4: you're missing everything that's going around in the periphery. And that, 541 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,160 Speaker 4: like from a physical standpoint, you're then closing yourself off 542 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,040 Speaker 4: and narrowing your world. And then you're creating an analogy 543 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,520 Speaker 4: to the way that we internally view the world as 544 00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:24,360 Speaker 4: how that can translate. So from what you were talking about, 545 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:29,720 Speaker 4: it sounded to me like the reason why you opened 546 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 4: your eyes and everything was clear was because you let 547 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,840 Speaker 4: go of that innertention and you expanded. But what I 548 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 4: would have expected for most people is that when you 549 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,440 Speaker 4: sat for an exam or there was a major stressor 550 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,600 Speaker 4: in life, it would come back. But it never did. 551 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,919 Speaker 4: That's what I find so strange for you. 552 00:51:51,360 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 3: So we often use that expression you let go. I'm 553 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,320 Speaker 3: coming to that because then people will say, well, how 554 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:11,800 Speaker 3: did you let go? I didn't know. I wasn't aware, sir, 555 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:20,879 Speaker 3: of voluntarily doing anything. In fact, I don't think there 556 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,440 Speaker 3: is any part of our physiology that is designed to 557 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 3: initiate action. I think everything physiologically is continually responding to something. 558 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:42,480 Speaker 3: It's accommodating to something, and that's something maybe is the 559 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:48,360 Speaker 3: animating force of life, whatever that is, whatever it is 560 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:55,480 Speaker 3: that is moving the planets around the sun, rotating the Earth, 561 00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:02,440 Speaker 3: changing the seasons, all those things we have theories about 562 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:14,799 Speaker 3: but don't actually understand. And perhaps the spiritualist has a 563 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:22,879 Speaker 3: deeper knowing. I won't say understanding why. When we think 564 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:28,040 Speaker 3: of science, we think of the scientific method using a microscope, 565 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:33,480 Speaker 3: a telescope, a gold standard, an evidence based study, whatever 566 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:39,120 Speaker 3: it is to prove something. Well, the reason it's called 567 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 3: a theory is because it's always changing. If it's always changing, 568 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:57,200 Speaker 3: it's a temporary belief. It's not truth. Truth and belief 569 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:04,200 Speaker 3: actually mean the opposite of each other. So what I'm 570 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:11,320 Speaker 3: interested in is truth beyond opinion. I'm interested in something 571 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:21,120 Speaker 3: that isn't changing, that is always there. And you mentioned 572 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:33,480 Speaker 3: something about what glasses typically do. Is they they Well, 573 00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,480 Speaker 3: glasses are sort of like a dress or a pair 574 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:43,960 Speaker 3: of pants. When I go shopping for a pair of jeans, 575 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,600 Speaker 3: I have to find a pair of jeans that fits me, 576 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:58,360 Speaker 3: whether I am smaller than anticipated, larger than anticipated, or 577 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:03,880 Speaker 3: somewhere right. What we call average I have to find 578 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,000 Speaker 3: a pair of pants that fits me. I don't want 579 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,560 Speaker 3: them too big and I don't want them too small. 580 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,640 Speaker 3: I want them just right. When you walk into the 581 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,600 Speaker 3: eye doctor's office and they say, what's the problem, when 582 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,359 Speaker 3: you said, you know, I'm having some difficulty seeing all 583 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:33,319 Speaker 3: their measurements are actually measuring the size the fit of 584 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:40,680 Speaker 3: those glasses for you. They don't correct anything. They merely 585 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:50,600 Speaker 3: compress the field of perception so that it fits to 586 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:56,800 Speaker 3: what your system has already done. The question is why 587 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,840 Speaker 3: has our system done that? And part of the reason 588 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:09,960 Speaker 3: on a physical level is we spend most of our 589 00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:19,000 Speaker 3: life indoors. And at some point somebody said learning occurs 590 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:32,040 Speaker 3: by reading. Now. Earlier in times, people learned by being 591 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:37,360 Speaker 3: involved in life. By living. You learned about what foods 592 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:42,920 Speaker 3: resonated with you. Because your body never naturally moved to those, 593 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,600 Speaker 3: You learned if it didn't resonate, because maybe it didn't 594 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:54,400 Speaker 3: digest properly. You began to see that it was natural 595 00:56:54,480 --> 00:57:00,320 Speaker 3: to be outside in sunshine and to sleep at night. 596 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,239 Speaker 3: People didn't go to sleep when the TV show was 597 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,080 Speaker 3: finished at midnight. They went to sleep when it got dark, 598 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:16,840 Speaker 3: went down. Sure right, everything was according to Mother nature 599 00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:23,520 Speaker 3: or what you call natural. Today, almost everything we do 600 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:28,840 Speaker 3: is called normal, which is not natural most of the time. 601 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:37,680 Speaker 3: And so you mentioned the glasses compressing the world. Well, 602 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,800 Speaker 3: we spend our days sitting in front of a monitor 603 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:53,640 Speaker 3: at close distance, and then we accentuated by decreasing the 604 00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:58,880 Speaker 3: size of the monitor right to the size of a 605 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:05,800 Speaker 3: cell phone. And to give you an idea of how 606 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:13,960 Speaker 3: impactful that is, the average person has their cell phone 607 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:21,320 Speaker 3: close by about twenty one and a half to twenty 608 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,960 Speaker 3: two and a half hours a days. Much of the 609 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,200 Speaker 3: time they're looking at it, or it's sitting on their 610 00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:34,320 Speaker 3: bed to wake them up and so on, because their 611 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:40,640 Speaker 3: rhythms are so out of sync with Mother nature. And 612 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,160 Speaker 3: understand and you know this as a practitioner, you know 613 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,400 Speaker 3: there's a lot of discussion these days about circadian rhythms. 614 00:58:51,400 --> 00:59:05,640 Speaker 3: Why our physiology is literally continually informed and invited to 615 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,560 Speaker 3: do whatever it has to do and to what degree 616 00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:15,040 Speaker 3: it needs to be done according to what's going on 617 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,080 Speaker 3: in the environment, the time of the day, the time 618 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:24,560 Speaker 3: of the night, the spectral characteristics, and so the wellness 619 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:31,160 Speaker 3: of a plant, animal, or human being is all related 620 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:39,120 Speaker 3: to how aligned their system is with the natural rhythms 621 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,800 Speaker 3: of day, night, and whatever is going on in between. 622 00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:52,280 Speaker 3: When we get out of sync because we spend most 623 00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:58,280 Speaker 3: of our hours indoors and we don't get sunlight, all 624 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:03,160 Speaker 3: of a sudden, are body starts losing a sense of 625 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,600 Speaker 3: that which is guiding it, which are the changes in 626 01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,960 Speaker 3: light in the environment. Is probably the most profound aspect. 627 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,720 Speaker 3: And then you know, there's a reason we have two 628 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,920 Speaker 3: eyes rather than one in the middle of our forehead. 629 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:26,880 Speaker 3: We have two eyes because each one has a slightly 630 01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:33,560 Speaker 3: different angle at which it is seeing. And so when 631 01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:42,640 Speaker 3: those slightly disparate perceptions are fused together, something magical occurs. 632 01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:52,240 Speaker 3: It's called stereoscopic vision depth perception. Now, depth perception is 633 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:57,520 Speaker 3: not just the ability for me to notice that my 634 01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:02,600 Speaker 3: monitor is closer to me than the window behind my monitor. 635 01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:10,560 Speaker 3: That's one aspect. The other aspect of stereoscopic vision is 636 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:15,960 Speaker 3: that it allows you to see deeply into things more 637 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:21,760 Speaker 3: than just a surface. Okay, And so as vision begins 638 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:29,800 Speaker 3: to develop or evolve, the ability to see heightens at 639 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:36,680 Speaker 3: a level that is profound. It's not just seeing, it's 640 01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:43,640 Speaker 3: your whole system begins to get rewired. When we think 641 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,560 Speaker 3: of neuroplasticity, people think, oh, yeah, you do that by 642 01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:54,400 Speaker 3: playing the piano an hour a day. Yes, repetition can 643 01:01:54,520 --> 01:02:01,480 Speaker 3: change the wiring of your brain. However, if repetition is 644 01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:06,640 Speaker 3: required to change the wiring, then repetition is required to 645 01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:12,080 Speaker 3: maintain that wiring right, And so you stop going to 646 01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,960 Speaker 3: the gym, and all of a sudden, your biceps are smaller. 647 01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:23,080 Speaker 3: I like the kind of change that doesn't require doing sure, 648 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:28,000 Speaker 3: And so what I've discovered is that the most potent 649 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,040 Speaker 3: neuroplastic changes are epiphanies. 650 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:32,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see that. 651 01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:39,320 Speaker 3: Because an epiphany is not I think it's a knowing, 652 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:44,200 Speaker 3: even though we don't know who the knower is. But 653 01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:51,160 Speaker 3: there's just something is clear. Once you have directly experienced something, 654 01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:58,360 Speaker 3: you never need to be convinced about it again. You 655 01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,520 Speaker 3: know it by heart. When I was in fifth grade, 656 01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:10,680 Speaker 3: Missus Williams told us, your first impression is always correct. Now, 657 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:16,160 Speaker 3: she didn't say sometimes, she said always. And then later 658 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:23,640 Speaker 3: in the year she said, oh, Jackie knows it by heart, 659 01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:30,080 Speaker 3: and I thought that meant Jackie had it memorized. Has 660 01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:36,080 Speaker 3: nothing to do with memorization. Knowing it by heart is 661 01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:40,560 Speaker 3: when you begin to trust that very first impression. So 662 01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,600 Speaker 3: let's get a little closer to the heart now, and 663 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:52,720 Speaker 3: let's talk about what the real seeing mechanism is and 664 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,240 Speaker 3: how it is that that letting go process that you 665 01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:04,840 Speaker 3: mentioned might occur from the eyeglasses that compress to something 666 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:18,920 Speaker 3: that infinitely, infinitely expands. So we use the word intuition often. Yeah, Oh, 667 01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,080 Speaker 3: it came from my belly brain. It was a feeling. 668 01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:33,000 Speaker 3: Intuition is something way, way beyond a feeling. We call 669 01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:37,400 Speaker 3: it a feeling because we don't know the origin. And 670 01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,120 Speaker 3: when we don't know the origin, we were told you're 671 01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:50,200 Speaker 3: just guessing. It's profound how accurate that guessing is, because 672 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:57,920 Speaker 3: it's not guessing at all. In my study of the eye, 673 01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,439 Speaker 3: I was intrigued by the fact that the retina has 674 01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,400 Speaker 3: about one hundred and thirty five to one hundred and 675 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:12,280 Speaker 3: forty million cells that are photos sensitive. They are sensitive 676 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:18,520 Speaker 3: to light and respond to light most of the time. 677 01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:23,840 Speaker 3: We hear about two types of cells, the rods, which 678 01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:28,120 Speaker 3: are active at night under low light levels, and the 679 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:33,520 Speaker 3: cones that are active during the day. The rods are 680 01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:42,200 Speaker 3: spread throughout the entire retina. The cones are compressed like 681 01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:47,240 Speaker 3: sardines in a can, in a little, tiny area called 682 01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:54,640 Speaker 3: the macula. And so you hear about people getting macular degeneration, 683 01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,080 Speaker 3: and everybody says, well, it's because of too much sun 684 01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:04,040 Speaker 3: or this or that. My sense is that macular degeneration 685 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:11,040 Speaker 3: is the response of overworking the wrong part of the eye. Okay, 686 01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,240 Speaker 3: so I'll share about that and it'll become clearer. 687 01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:14,960 Speaker 4: Okay. 688 01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:23,360 Speaker 3: The macular area is the area that when the doctor says, 689 01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:27,560 Speaker 3: is it better one or two, which is what most 690 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,360 Speaker 3: of the exam is, is just checking the part of 691 01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:38,400 Speaker 3: the eye that discerns one thing from another. You might 692 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:44,680 Speaker 3: call that the mind's eye. That's the part that makes 693 01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:49,120 Speaker 3: a judgment about life. This is better than this. I 694 01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:58,240 Speaker 3: like this, I don't like this. The macular the cones 695 01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:03,680 Speaker 3: in the macula can perceive of color, and they can 696 01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:14,960 Speaker 3: discern detail. They probably that composes about five percent of 697 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:20,959 Speaker 3: all the cells in the eye. Ninety five percent are 698 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:26,440 Speaker 3: called rods. Rods we think of them as something active 699 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:34,800 Speaker 3: at night, but we don't give them a whole lot 700 01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:39,720 Speaker 3: of credit. So let's talk about those, because those are 701 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:44,520 Speaker 3: really amazing. First thing that hit me is if the 702 01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:49,720 Speaker 3: eye has ninety five percent rods and only five percent cones, 703 01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:58,960 Speaker 3: I would imagine we are designed to primarily function with 704 01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:06,400 Speaker 3: the rods and only used the cones when required. So, 705 01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:11,920 Speaker 3: as an example, an animal in the wild senses something 706 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:22,040 Speaker 3: that sensing occurs with the rods. They only open their 707 01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:28,080 Speaker 3: eyes and look when they feel they might be in 708 01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:34,360 Speaker 3: danger and need to discern is it just another deer 709 01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:42,639 Speaker 3: or is it a cobra. But other than that quick 710 01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:50,400 Speaker 3: check to make sure I'm totally safe. Other than that, 711 01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:56,080 Speaker 3: that part of the eye doesn't need to be used much. However, 712 01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:01,680 Speaker 3: if you're trained that you learn by reading, and you 713 01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:07,280 Speaker 3: spend your days working at a computer, you end up 714 01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:13,080 Speaker 3: just using the cones all the time, and you probably 715 01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:19,839 Speaker 3: exhaust them because we're not designed for that to happen. Now, 716 01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:27,920 Speaker 3: to give you an example, the state of Alaska, before 717 01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:34,679 Speaker 3: it became a state, many of the Inuit tribes there 718 01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:44,360 Speaker 3: and so on, they lived outdoors. They weren't reading, and 719 01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:51,639 Speaker 3: when their eyes were examined you didn't see any near 720 01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:58,320 Speaker 3: sightedness at all. It didn't exist. And then they became 721 01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:07,000 Speaker 3: a state and school became mandatory and that meant reading right, 722 01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:12,280 Speaker 3: and within a year of that, a huge percentage of 723 01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:18,559 Speaker 3: the kids were nearsighted. And so what we've seen after 724 01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:23,439 Speaker 3: many years is that compressing the field of vision to 725 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:29,120 Speaker 3: a small area like a monitor, a book, a cell 726 01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:38,240 Speaker 3: phone for a period of time causes the mechanisms in 727 01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:44,840 Speaker 3: our vision to adjust to that function, right, And that, 728 01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:53,280 Speaker 3: in combination with a deficit in sunlight, is what causes 729 01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:59,240 Speaker 3: the epidemic of nearsightedness, which is huge. It's the biggest 730 01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:06,719 Speaker 3: health epidemt in the world is decreasing vision. So let's 731 01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:11,920 Speaker 3: come back to the rods a second. As a scientist 732 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:18,760 Speaker 3: and a physician, I'm sure you have probably spent some 733 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:25,480 Speaker 3: time looking at some of the incredible discoveries of quantum mechanics, 734 01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:36,400 Speaker 3: and in quantum mechanics when they look at, you know, 735 01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:47,760 Speaker 3: the smallest energetic, non physical somethings from where life originates. 736 01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:55,679 Speaker 3: They speak of light. Light is the energy from where 737 01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:03,400 Speaker 3: life emerges. Maybe that's why the Bible says God is light. 738 01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:18,160 Speaker 3: And the Rods, interestingly enough, have the ability to detect 739 01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:27,520 Speaker 3: and respond to a single photon. Wow. Now that's beyond wow. 740 01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:33,000 Speaker 3: That's unheard of. There is no technology that humans have 741 01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:39,240 Speaker 3: created that can do that. Yeah, So we have this 742 01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:44,880 Speaker 3: very unique ability and it's probably president in other creatures 743 01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:54,680 Speaker 3: as well to see the invisible Because a photon is 744 01:12:54,720 --> 01:13:02,840 Speaker 3: a non physical entity you cannot describe bit it's it's 745 01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:08,639 Speaker 3: an interesting entity. It is connected to every other entity 746 01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:15,479 Speaker 3: that exists. If you took two photons and you sent 747 01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:19,120 Speaker 3: them in opposite directions to the edges of the universe, 748 01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,400 Speaker 3: and then you tickled one of them, both of them 749 01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,040 Speaker 3: would simultaneously laugh. 750 01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,080 Speaker 4: Entanglement, Yes, exactly. 751 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:35,640 Speaker 3: But to say that a part of our physiology is 752 01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:49,439 Speaker 3: designed to see the energetic foundation of reality before it 753 01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:58,920 Speaker 3: has become form, it's profound. Why it provides us that 754 01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:05,880 Speaker 3: first press ession that is always correct. It is the 755 01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:15,799 Speaker 3: inner gps that immediately, without any logic, without any thought, 756 01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:26,840 Speaker 3: without any work, it guides us why do we need 757 01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:31,439 Speaker 3: such a thing? Or why other creatures have that as well? 758 01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:39,360 Speaker 3: Is because that is inseparable from our survival. Our survival 759 01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:45,800 Speaker 3: is based on seeing without looking, knowing without thinking. And 760 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:54,200 Speaker 3: so we began this conversation about my eyesight that changed, 761 01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:59,559 Speaker 3: or that your listeners may have an interest in something 762 01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:04,160 Speaker 3: to do with that. For me, what I'm really excited 763 01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:13,599 Speaker 3: about is sharing what I've learned about this function called mind. 764 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:21,479 Speaker 3: Not that it's anything negative. It serves a role and 765 01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:27,679 Speaker 3: it does that by itself. We don't need to do 766 01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:32,200 Speaker 3: all the things we were trained to do. You know, 767 01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:41,360 Speaker 3: I think means I don't know, sir, and so it's 768 01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:50,160 Speaker 3: very important to have discussions about this. The words and 769 01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:57,280 Speaker 3: the chatter we hear inside are probably originating from Broca's 770 01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:01,280 Speaker 3: area of the left hemisphere, which is a language center 771 01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:07,880 Speaker 3: of the brain. Why do we have language. Probably sometime 772 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:14,559 Speaker 3: in our evolution, our way of communicating with each other changed, 773 01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:21,400 Speaker 3: and so we began to develop language, probably in the 774 01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:25,400 Speaker 3: same way as we don't understand why a bird sings, 775 01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:35,720 Speaker 3: but that's probably its way of communicating. And communication is valuable, 776 01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,600 Speaker 3: but it has nothing to do with the direct experience. 777 01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,320 Speaker 3: If you come to Maui and we go to one 778 01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:49,400 Speaker 3: of my favorite restaurants called Marlowe, and you want to 779 01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:52,559 Speaker 3: eat something that you probably don't want to eat too often, 780 01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:57,760 Speaker 3: but it's so damn good that you say, Jacob, let's 781 01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:01,519 Speaker 3: share a pizza. You look at the menu and it 782 01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:06,280 Speaker 3: says pizza, and you know what a pizza is because 783 01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:10,400 Speaker 3: you read the word pizza. But the word pizza doesn't 784 01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:15,240 Speaker 3: have anything to do with what happens when you bite 785 01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:20,840 Speaker 3: into this pizza. They have nothing to do with each other. 786 01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:27,360 Speaker 3: And yet we treat life as the words are the 787 01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:32,080 Speaker 3: same thing as what they're attempting to describe, and they 788 01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:37,479 Speaker 3: have nothing to do with it. And what's happening is 789 01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:45,640 Speaker 3: the movement is continually away from the direct experience and 790 01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:49,800 Speaker 3: into some way of communicating. I remember I was doing 791 01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:56,719 Speaker 3: a talk somewhere and someone asked me about that vision 792 01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:00,960 Speaker 3: experience in seventy six, and as I began to share it, 793 01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,240 Speaker 3: somebody in the audience says, oh, yeah, you had an 794 01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:19,200 Speaker 3: out of body experience. They assumed that the term out 795 01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:24,280 Speaker 3: of body experience could in some way describe something that 796 01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:34,760 Speaker 3: was not describable, and so all of this conversation is 797 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:42,640 Speaker 3: about bringing us back to the direct experience, the unfiltered awareness. 798 01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:49,759 Speaker 3: I was recently at a dear friend's seventieth birthday party 799 01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:56,880 Speaker 3: and they are a therapist, and so many people there 800 01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:04,520 Speaker 3: were therapist is. Some of them were best selling authors, 801 01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:13,400 Speaker 3: they were renowned, and they one of the terms that 802 01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:17,559 Speaker 3: I heard, let me see if I can remember it 803 01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:36,719 Speaker 3: just one second, was mindfulness. And so I found myself 804 01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:44,720 Speaker 3: in conversation with a few people who were considered experts 805 01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:50,080 Speaker 3: at this and taught this work that they called mindfulness, 806 01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:59,599 Speaker 3: and I said, my sense is that what you're talking 807 01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:07,400 Speaker 3: about is mindlessness M And a couple of them said, oh, 808 01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:13,520 Speaker 3: my god, you're absolutely correct. I said, but you understand 809 01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:20,400 Speaker 3: that when we call it mindfulness, you're telling a person 810 01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:23,240 Speaker 3: in New York that if they want to drive to 811 01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:26,240 Speaker 3: San Francisco, they need to get in their car and 812 01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:34,400 Speaker 3: drive east. The word you think is describing something that 813 01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:41,400 Speaker 3: it's not describing, I said, my senses. You're speaking about 814 01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:49,400 Speaker 3: unfiltered awareness, which is something that occurs that is very 815 01:20:49,439 --> 01:21:00,320 Speaker 3: different than something to do with mind. And so I 816 01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:07,360 Speaker 3: think it's coming back to using our common sense. Why 817 01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:11,760 Speaker 3: do we call it common sense because it's common to 818 01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:17,519 Speaker 3: all living things? Yeah, what is common to all living things? 819 01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:24,320 Speaker 3: And ability to see and to know instantaneously because your 820 01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:29,920 Speaker 3: survival depends upon it. And so we need to come 821 01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:36,280 Speaker 3: back to realizing that while there's great value in traditional 822 01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:45,120 Speaker 3: in the traditional scientific method, there is equal value into 823 01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:50,040 Speaker 3: the science of the mystic. The mystic does not gain 824 01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:55,200 Speaker 3: insight by doing a gold standard study that we say 825 01:21:55,320 --> 01:22:06,360 Speaker 3: is evidence based. They learn from direct experience. When you 826 01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:16,840 Speaker 3: look at you know, whether it's acupuncture, iurvedic medicine, natureopathy, home, 827 01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:27,720 Speaker 3: all these amazing aspects scientific methods, if you will. We 828 01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:34,200 Speaker 3: learn through direct experience, and so much of our science, 829 01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:39,599 Speaker 3: which we rely on today and is valuable, attempts to 830 01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:49,200 Speaker 3: prove something about human beings without human involvement. We want 831 01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:53,559 Speaker 3: to exclude every part of it that occurs in our 832 01:22:53,600 --> 01:23:03,280 Speaker 3: everyday life. And yet what creates an impact is everything everything. 833 01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:12,600 Speaker 3: And I'll share with you this final piece about what 834 01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:17,640 Speaker 3: excites me in my everyday life because I feel like 835 01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:23,080 Speaker 3: I do my best work out on the streets. I 836 01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:29,439 Speaker 3: go to a coffee shop, maybe to get an oat 837 01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:34,639 Speaker 3: milk latte in the afternoon, and as I sit there, 838 01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:43,040 Speaker 3: I notice what catches my eye. Why Because what catches 839 01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:49,360 Speaker 3: my eye is looking for me. It's just very different 840 01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:52,400 Speaker 3: than what we've been taught that we are the ones 841 01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:58,639 Speaker 3: looking and seeing. And so you mentioned something about seeing 842 01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:04,519 Speaker 3: the small piece but missing the big piece. We're so 843 01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:10,080 Speaker 3: focused on looking for what we think is occurring or 844 01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:14,440 Speaker 3: what we would like to occur, that we miss everything. 845 01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:19,560 Speaker 3: We're not looking for sense, and those are the miracles, 846 01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:25,360 Speaker 3: those are the unexpected things that surprise us. And we say, 847 01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,519 Speaker 3: oh my God, and we start scribbling on a napkin, 848 01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,679 Speaker 3: you know, in the middle of a restaurant because all 849 01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:36,160 Speaker 3: of a sudden, this huge download comes. Of course, in 850 01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:40,320 Speaker 3: the next day. We've been trained to say, let me 851 01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:44,400 Speaker 3: tell you what I thought of. No, no, no, no, no. 852 01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:49,960 Speaker 3: We didn't come up with it. We merely notice what 853 01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:53,559 Speaker 3: came to us. And the reason it comes to us 854 01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:58,720 Speaker 3: is because that's the next step in our life's journey. 855 01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:05,600 Speaker 3: And so this whole piece about seeing and how it works, 856 01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:16,280 Speaker 3: it's very beautiful. It's connected with everything, and just speaking 857 01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:22,200 Speaker 3: about this and allowing some of these things to traverse 858 01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:29,080 Speaker 3: our awareness can often shift something in a way that 859 01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:33,320 Speaker 3: we can't do by doing. In fact, this morning, my 860 01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,880 Speaker 3: daughter and I have been working on a new book, 861 01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:45,479 Speaker 3: which is a memoir, and she was looking at something 862 01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:49,040 Speaker 3: on my website and she said, do you still want 863 01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:55,160 Speaker 3: me to keep this little quote, this little testimonial? And 864 01:25:55,200 --> 01:26:01,880 Speaker 3: I looked at it and it said, after listening to 865 01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:08,160 Speaker 3: you speak, I stopped wearing my glasses and I've never 866 01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:14,759 Speaker 3: put them on again. And I see, really, well, now, 867 01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:21,080 Speaker 3: we think we have to do something, But when words 868 01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:28,680 Speaker 3: don't come from us, but it's a message traversing through us, 869 01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:39,160 Speaker 3: that message has medicinal value and can create a profound impact. 870 01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:45,360 Speaker 3: So I hope we've touched upon some of the things 871 01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:47,559 Speaker 3: that you wanted to hear. 872 01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:51,719 Speaker 4: Where can people go who want to learn more about 873 01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:52,880 Speaker 4: you and your work. 874 01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:59,280 Speaker 3: They can go to our website, which is Jacoblieberman dot 875 01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:03,960 Speaker 3: org O r G and Lieberman is spelled l I 876 01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:08,800 Speaker 3: B as in boy e R M A N and 877 01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:14,800 Speaker 3: means man of love, So they can find me there. 878 01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:20,560 Speaker 3: They can google my name, they can go to Instagram, 879 01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:30,840 Speaker 3: and I, uh, my work is not about marketing. I 880 01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:31,960 Speaker 3: have no interest in that. 881 01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:35,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 882 01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:39,320 Speaker 3: If I can make a little imprint in someone's life 883 01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:47,479 Speaker 3: that is meaningful, that fills me with joy. So that's 884 01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,439 Speaker 3: what my interest in is. And most of my work 885 01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:57,880 Speaker 3: these days is not in the I doctoring field. It's 886 01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:03,559 Speaker 3: in having beautiful conversation like this, incorporating some of the 887 01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:09,439 Speaker 3: discoveries I've made about light and color, which we should 888 01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,720 Speaker 3: get into it another conversation. I think you would be 889 01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:18,760 Speaker 3: fascinated by it. Yeah, it helps to desensitize a lot 890 01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:25,360 Speaker 3: of the emotional triggers that catalyze what we call stress. 891 01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:33,320 Speaker 3: But anyway, my work is really if I can to 892 01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:38,559 Speaker 3: in some way support someone in our uncovering their true 893 01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:44,400 Speaker 3: essence and realizing that there's nothing wrong with them. 894 01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:47,280 Speaker 4: That's great. Thank you so much, Jacob. This has been. 895 01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:52,680 Speaker 3: Great, Lauren. It is a pleasure to meet you. I 896 01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:58,559 Speaker 3: think you probably heal people just with your smile and 897 01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:04,200 Speaker 3: that's magnificent. And since I'm still a kid at seventy eight, 898 01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:07,120 Speaker 3: can we do this again? 899 01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,160 Speaker 4: Absolutely good. 900 01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:18,960 Speaker 3: I'm grateful for your invitation. I hope that whatever was 901 01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:25,519 Speaker 3: filtering through today touch the hearts of your listeners and 902 01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:35,120 Speaker 3: took their own sense of what's happening in life and 903 01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:37,920 Speaker 3: confirmed it excellent. 904 01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:39,680 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. 905 01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:44,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Christian Natural Health. This show is 906 01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,680 Speaker 1: run by you, so please write in with topic and 907 01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:52,520 Speaker 1: guest suggestions for future shows. 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