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Speaker 1: the company. Now, everywhere you look, there's a different take

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Speaker 1: on what America will do when it comes to Iran

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Speaker 1: military strikes. No military strikes. If they do, where, when

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Speaker 1: and how is there a deal? We keep hearing about deal, deal,

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Speaker 1: deal from those in the administration. Surely they know that

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Speaker 1: that's not possible. There is no such thing as a

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Speaker 1: good deal, not for them, not for the people of Iran.

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Speaker 1: The only people that will benefit from any kind of

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Speaker 1: deal with America are the terrorists that run Iran that

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Speaker 1: are illegally. There some reports today, and yes we always

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Speaker 1: take these with a grain of salt, say that he's

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Speaker 1: made up his mind. This is Donald Trump to strike.

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Speaker 1: But it's the how and the when that is to

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Speaker 1: be determined. And the big question here is, and I've

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Speaker 1: just come back. As I said from Washington, DC, I

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Speaker 1: had a few meetings and they're all kind of off

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Speaker 1: the record and ones that I won't publicize, but with

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Speaker 1: because they didn't hold back a lot of them and

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Speaker 1: most of them, in fact, the vast majority think that

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Speaker 1: a strike is imminent. But the question we've got to

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Speaker 1: What do they want to achieve? Because you can talk

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Speaker 1: about strikes in different things, but they need to know

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Speaker 1: what they want to achieve to then determine how to

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Speaker 1: go about it. So is it to take out the iatola,

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Speaker 1: is it to weaken is it to take out the

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Speaker 1: IRGC infrastructure? What do they want to achieve? And then

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Speaker 1: we'll see some action once they determine. Now that probably

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Speaker 1: already have and I'm hoping that what they determine is

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Speaker 1: the best thing for everyone is to rid the world

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Speaker 1: of these terrorist scumbags. But look, there's a huge amount

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Speaker 1: that region. Now timing is everything, and how interesting is

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Speaker 1: this the fake Iranian foreign minister. Of course, you can't

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Speaker 1: in power of remember they stole power. How hilarious he's

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Speaker 1: coming out and saying off the back of the IIGC

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Speaker 1: That's this is literally in their parliament. Sorry, but that

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Speaker 1: is what terrorists do. They want to destroy entire democratic nations.

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Speaker 1: You are terrorists. Now, this bloke, he's a kiss of

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Speaker 1: death in more ways than one, isn't he? And I

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Speaker 1: mean he was invited to speak at an al Jazeira forum,

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Speaker 1: They've all started to pull out. And if these guys

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Speaker 1: they share a lot your values, that's saying something. He's

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Speaker 1: such a fraud, dis bloke. He was also asked on

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Speaker 1: do you really think I'd answer that or something to

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Speaker 1: that effect. Well, no, we don't, and even if you did,

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Speaker 1: we wouldn't believe a word that you say. But of

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Speaker 1: course we can see the planes coming in. The Chinese

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Speaker 1: Communist Party is literally delivering supplies. He is such a fraud,

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Speaker 1: this guy. And look, I get it, he's got a

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Speaker 1: really tough job because we all know. They're terrorists like

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Speaker 1: we all know, and he's out there trying to do diplomacy.

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Speaker 1: We sorry, mate, you don't have a leg to stand on.

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Speaker 1: Just pipe down, Chachi, pipe down, and let's hope that

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Speaker 1: when something does happen that you're heavily involved, because you

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Speaker 1: pretending to not be the others at least own it.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them do. Now, speaking of someone not

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Speaker 1: I mean, who would have thought, Well, I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: who would have thought. Me and most people with functioning

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Speaker 1: were held hostage by teachers, by doctors, by journalists. This guy,

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Speaker 1: like god. He couldn't be a lie, couldn't be terrorist. Well,

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Speaker 1: not past tense. The whole thing's so horrific and disgraceful,

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Speaker 1: are reading about a pediatrician, a doctor who's saying that

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Speaker 1: he's a doctor, like they're great people. They save lives. No,

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Speaker 1: he takes lives. He doesn't care about children. He sets

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Speaker 1: to the world is not going to come out and say, oh,

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Speaker 1: we got it wrong, of course not now. On the

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Speaker 1: it's I'm not saying you wouldn't be able to handle complex,

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Speaker 1: nosed realism. That's a direct quote from it. China mentioned

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Speaker 1: multiple times more than anywhere else, of course, identified as

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Speaker 1: their greatest adversary, second most powerful nation, it says behind

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Speaker 1: the US, but it's interesting the language around it is, Look,

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Speaker 1: we're not looking to dominate. They want a reasonable piece,

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Speaker 1: that is the goal, and they want to deter China

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Speaker 1: through strength, not confrontation. Of course we know Jijingping is

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Speaker 1: the complete opposite of that, and they're not exactly going

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Speaker 1: but it was kind of like it implied this kind

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Speaker 1: I want to summarize it, Europe you can handle that.

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Speaker 1: on my watch. You need to lift, you need to

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Speaker 1: build up, you need to actually be able to go

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Speaker 1: And that's fair enough. But I do wish America would

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Speaker 1: do more with Ukraine. I mean, I'm banned in Russia

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Speaker 1: fully declare definitely not a putin fan. I get it's

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Speaker 1: not America's responsibility, but I think that there's more that

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Speaker 1: can be done. Middle East. They say Israel is a model.

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Speaker 1: Ally a model. Ally talks about how it did all

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Speaker 1: the heavy lifting post October seven. It's a key partner.

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Speaker 1: They were effusively positive and so much praise when it

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Speaker 1: came to Israel. So put that in your pipe and

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Speaker 1: smoke it. Everyone who thinks that there's trouble in Paradise.

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Speaker 1: No mention by the way of Katar. You know, the

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Speaker 1: arson as slash firefighters or as CNN like to say,

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Speaker 1: Very interesting. It also specifically makes note that they're not isolationists,

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Speaker 1: that America is not isolationists. Take note, Tucker, Take note, Tucker,

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Speaker 1: and I quote, we recognize that it is neither America's

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Speaker 1: duty nor in our nation's interest to act everywhere on

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Speaker 1: our own. Again, I've said it ten thousand million times.

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Speaker 1: America first doesn't mean America only. It is in America's

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Speaker 1: interest to have allies. In fact, it requires them, it

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Speaker 1: needs them. The focus, of course, is back on lethality

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Speaker 3: truthful Jewish female voice that was inconveniently saying the quiet

427
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Speaker 3: part out loud.

428
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 4: And so I.

429
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 3: Continue to pursue because one of the things in my

430
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 3: entire career as a journalist that always got my back up,

431
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: and usually just in the form of criticism of, oh,

432
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: you shouldn't really give this rock stars record of bad reviews.

433
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 3: You know, we have to be nice because we want

434
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 3: you know, we want to we want to keep that

435
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: relationship golden. So you can be a little bit. You know,

436
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 3: you can do a little bit, but don't don't go

437
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 3: too far. You know that always that I would have

438
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: if you told me that, I would go in the

439
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 3: polar opposite.

440
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 4: Direction, you know.

441
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 3: So the thing that always, the thing that always got

442
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: me was I'm a journalist because I want I have integrity,

443
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 3: and I'm going to say what I think and I'm

444
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 3: going to write what I know.

445
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 4: And so this.

446
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 3: Was such an affront to my ethical like my my

447
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 3: understanding of ethics and journalism. I just thought, you can't

448
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 3: tell me that I'm not allowed to say, don't vandalize

449
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: a synagogue.

450
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 4: What are you talking about?

451
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: You know?

452
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 3: So so I went, I went card fast, quickly, and

453
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: I stayed on course. I did not back down from

454
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 3: this position. And the more I spoke out, the more

455
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 3: I was bombarded by people privately saying, you're saying the

456
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: thing that I'm too afraid to say.

457
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 4: Or you know, we need your voice.

458
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: So by the time October seventh happened, I was well

459
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 3: ensconced in the you know, it was like water off

460
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: the ducks back the trolling and the hatred and the backlash.

461
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it's really it's been white noise for me

462
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 3: for a very long time.

463
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: You do get used to it, don't you. In a way?

464
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: And I used to think, oh, I actually don't want

465
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: to become so desensitized that that things don't hurt me anymore.

466
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: But then I realized, no, No, I still feel very deeply.

467
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: But when it comes to idiots online, I look at

468
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: who they're cheerful, and when I say the hatred of me,

469
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: I think, what a badge of honor. You're right, it

470
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: just it doesn't even touch the sides, does it.

471
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 3: No, I mean not when they're shilling for terrorists and

472
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: rapists and murderers, and you know, just it's amazing to

473
00:27:53,119 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 3: witness over the years how much or how how lacking

474
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: in self awareness and where that has taken them. You know,

475
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 3: where the group, ideological companionship, safety net, whatever you want

476
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 3: to call it, has taken them. The extent to which

477
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 3: they've gone from you know what looked like righteous outrage.

478
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: Perhaps you could still argue, was you know, like innocent,

479
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: righteous outrage six or seven years ago to now full

480
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 3: like plane faced endorsement of terrorist organizations. And I think

481
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 3: that was what was so confronting about October seventh, and

482
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 3: that's why there were so many voices who came out

483
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: of that moment, because that was really a watershed moment

484
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 3: where you're seeing a terrorist organization, you know, making a

485
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 3: live snuff movie of what they are doing to another

486
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: civilian population.

487
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 4: And yet the same sheep.

488
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: That had been following the social justice noise for years

489
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: are suddenly saying that this is a justify form of resistance.

490
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 3: They didn't get there overnight, They got there via years

491
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: and years and years of suppression. Don't think individually, don't

492
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: speak out, don't say what you're really wanting to say

493
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: in this moment. You know, that is something that I

494
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: find extraordinarily disturbing. And you're right when you look at

495
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: the profiles of some of the people that are saying

496
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: really horrific stuff to you, and you're thinking, what did

497
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: you give your self license to say something like that

498
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: to a stranger? And when you say you see all

499
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: the things that they're endorsing. You know that they have

500
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: been invested in this for so long that they've they've

501
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: lost a humanity.

502
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really well put. So you probably much less

503
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: so than May. And what you're saying now this is

504
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: you experiences well before October seven with being exposed to

505
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: the hypocrisy, particularly in the world that you were in.

506
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: So you went overly surprised by the silence of those

507
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: who purport to be humanitarians, feminists, you know, same sex

508
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: marriage warriors like we have he in Australia when we

509
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: had that debate, you went surprised when they not only

510
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: were silent after a Tiby siven, but even worse, they

511
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: actually actively supported the terrorists.

512
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wasn't surprised.

513
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: Is it still shocking, Yes, it's still shocking.

514
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 4: It's still shocking to see it.

515
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: You know.

516
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 4: It's funny.

517
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 3: I know that You've had my childhood friends Ben Freeman

518
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: on the show as well, and we often show with

519
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 3: each other that we used to say, like when we

520
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: were teenagers, we used to talk with foresight about this

521
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: happening and how it doesn't matter how much foresight you

522
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 3: have about who is going to align with what seeing

523
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 3: it play out on the stage is still incredibly shocking,

524
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: incredibly disturbing, and it's really hard to switch off that instinct,

525
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: the inclination that we have to say, like to shake

526
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: someone and say come on. This has been your life's work,

527
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: you know, to the feminists, your life's work has been

528
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 3: to try and raise awareness and raise the volume on

529
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: violence against women and girls. And you're watching a young

530
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: teenage woman being dragged from a jeep with her ankle slashed,

531
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: and you're either remaining silent or you're denying that there

532
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: has been sexual atrocities committed. You know, the compulsion to

533
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: shake people and call them out is almost for me,

534
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 3: it's impossible. So of course I've engaged in highlighting that hypocrisy. Fully,

535
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: you know, I've written extensively about it, not because I'm

536
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,239
Speaker 3: trying to like wave my finger in someone's face, or

537
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 3: because there's an eventual day when I want to say

538
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: I told you so. I really don't want to say

539
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: I told you so. I don't want to be right

540
00:31:53,720 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: about how wrong everything is. But you know, the compulsion

541
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: is there because because I look to these people as

542
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: leaders at one point in time, I am profoundly disappointed

543
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: that they are undoing all of the progress that was made.

544
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: This is this kind of abandonment of value, and this

545
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: ability to let poison in to spaces that should have

546
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: been kept sacred and should have stayed consistent, will totally

547
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 3: destruct the work that has been done because at.

548
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 4: The end of the day, you lose credibility.

549
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 3: You know, we need to maintain credibility to be trusted

550
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 3: in breaking these doors down for women, for the LGBT community,

551
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 3: for you know, to create an equal opportunity among racial minorities.

552
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 4: We need to be trusted.

553
00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 3: So to allow terrorist ideology and extremist ideology effect to

554
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 3: all of this work and all of these movements takes

555
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: that credibility away and it will under decades worth of

556
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: progress that has been made.

557
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: So you've been absolutely consistent as a feminist, and you

558
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: have very publicly supported women who you have believed in

559
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: and you have believed have been wronged by a society

560
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: who didn't look at men and women as being equal.

561
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: It shouldn't matter what religion you are, what ethnicity you

562
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: are when it comes to standing up for women. And

563
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: this is where these people get completely exposed, isn't.

564
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 4: It totally I mean one hundred percent.

565
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: I can't add more to such a salient point other

566
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: than to stay what is it in someone's hearts or

567
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: mind that they can look at the most thrilling I

568
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 3: mean now devastating with the news that were the numbers

569
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 3: and the figures that we're seeing coming out of Iran,

570
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: and amount of devastation, and the murderous activity of the

571
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: regime and the you know, some of the things that

572
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: I've seen in her reminds me of dinstats grouping, you know,

573
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: just kind of rounding people up and mowing them down.

574
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 3: For these women of the West, feminists of the West,

575
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 3: to watch the woman and Iran who have been suppressed

576
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 3: for decades, they from cradle to grave.

577
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 4: They have been.

578
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 3: Raised in this environment where they're not allowed to show

579
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: their hair, They're not allowed to sing, they're not allowed

580
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 3: to dance, they're not allowed to embody femininity in a

581
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 3: public way at all.

582
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 4: They have to hide everything that makes them feminine.

583
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: To see them rise up in such a galvanized inspired

584
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 3: you know, I don't think I've ever witnessed a fight

585
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 3: for freedom like this. You know, it is leading by

586
00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 3: literal example. I do not care if I die in

587
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: this fight for my freedom.

588
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 4: This is bigger than me.

589
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 3: I am going to smoke out this picture of the

590
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: supreme leader of the man who has oppressed my people

591
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 3: for almost five decades. I don't understand what's going on

592
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: in the hearts and minds of Western feminists that they

593
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: can look at that and look away and not like,

594
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 3: where is your where's your beating heart?

595
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: It says to me, they'll be waiting. Otherwise they'd be dead.

596
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: But that's the only evidence I have that they hat

597
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: de bait. That's it, that they live right.

598
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: But what if they But what does this say about

599
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: the Western feminists? It says that they are being inspired

600
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 3: and driven by something other than the mutual fight for freedom.

601
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: On its face, it means that they are driven by

602
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: their own self interest, their own ego, because otherwise it

603
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense. You can't witness this and not

604
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 3: want to raise these women's voices if you are a

605
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 3: true selfless member and of a movement that is global.

606
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: It takes every box you know. Usually they are desperate,

607
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: They clamor over themselves for a situation like this would

608
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: normally just be perfection for any of them. But of

609
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: course you look at the ideology that they're fighting and

610
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: that was the ideology that they tried to defend two

611
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: and a half years ago, Yes, exactly, and maybe they

612
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: come out against it.

613
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 3: No, And maybe that's part of it, is that I

614
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 3: think it's part of it that they well, what they've

615
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: shown us is that they really are and this is

616
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 3: the most disappointing thing to think of in terms of

617
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 3: conceiving feminists and how they are behaving and how they're

618
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 3: organizing themselves. But they've really displayed that they are being

619
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: you know, their puppets on a string, and they're waiting

620
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: for their strings to be pulled. They're waiting for the

621
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: narrative to come down that protects them and keeps their

622
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: message consistent and protects them from having to be faced

623
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 3: with reality, which is you've been shilling for the bad

624
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: guys this whole you know, because there's no other way.

625
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 5: I've gone completely blanket I last time. Now, Melanie Yes, Yes,

626
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 5: puts it in the most brilliant way, doesn't she About

627
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 5: them suddenly realizing and going, oh lord, well, I can't

628
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 5: come out now. You've got to kind of, you know,

629
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 5: hemmer down on it, because I can't admit that I

630
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 5: was wrong initially right.

631
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: Yes, no, because there's no humility left in the movement,

632
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 3: and you know, the true definition of being liberal is

633
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: totally lost on them, because being liberal is not about

634
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: being right, it's it's you know, you have to be

635
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 3: you have to be able to grapple with ideas in

636
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: an open, free space and have the humility to admit

637
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: sometimes that you don't know enough or you may have

638
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 3: been mistaken.

639
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 4: You know, I am not.

640
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with admitting that. My whole

641
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 3: career now exists upon admitting when I have been wrong

642
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: and having to course correct and you know, I mean

643
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: even the most recent example is that I said that

644
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: last week that I predicted that by this weekend we

645
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: would have seen military intervention and Iran.

646
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 4: I'm wrong. It's all key that I'm wrong.

647
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: I said it from a police of hope and optimism

648
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 3: and willing something to be true. But I'm not going

649
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: to to do some kind of a weird mental gymnastics

650
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 3: to say that someone there was an intervention, you just

651
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 3: didn't see it.

652
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the equivalent of what they're doing, you know.

653
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: It's Yeah, I think you've really now isolated a very

654
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: crucial point here and I'm exactly the same in that

655
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't even have to be classified as wrong. You

656
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: can evolve as situations change with new information, with circumstances

657
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: that you know, and you can with Russia Ukraine. You know,

658
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm banned in Russia. I think Prutin's an absolute warlord scumbag.

659
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: Does that not mean that my views on Ukraine prior

660
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: to that haven't evolved? Absolutely?

661
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 3: Know.

662
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: You should be constantly exposing yourself to as much information

663
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: as possible, watching different things. You can evolve. It doesn't

664
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: mean my opinion might change on certain things, and it

665
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: should with new information that comes to hand. But people

666
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: say that as almost embarrassing or admitting defeat or failure.

667
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: It's not. It's how we should all be every day

668
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: looking at everything we can and saying, well, this, with

669
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: the information at hand, this is what I think.

670
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 3: Well, that's also growth, right, And so much of what

671
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 3: we've been contending with for the last few years has

672
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: been amazing disastrous human display of emotional immaturity.

673
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: You know, that's just say that again if you can remember,

674
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: it's that's brilliant.

675
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: An amazing disastrous display of human immaturity. Emotional immaturity. They

676
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: are there because this is the benefit of being part

677
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: of a collective, you know, versus an individual. An individual

678
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: it can make mistakes. You know, there's no there's no

679
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 3: striving for perfection. I mean, we want to be the

680
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 3: at what we do, but we're not. We're not hiding

681
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 3: behind a veil of perfect of you know, this is

682
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: all on the other side. It's all branding and marketing

683
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: and making sure that the statements are all perfect. And

684
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: you know, I watched, I watched with clear strategy. On

685
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 3: October seventh, I went to look in the you know,

686
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: social media accounts of certain people that I knew were

687
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 3: going to be on the side of Hamas in their

688
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: convoluted ways, and I watched.

689
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 4: I watched exactly where they were, what they were.

690
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 3: Doing, living their lives out, having dinners at you know,

691
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 3: at the club that weekend.

692
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 4: Whatever it was.

693
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 3: And I watched and I waited because I wanted to

694
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: know how many days it was going to take for

695
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: this for their side to get together and decide what

696
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 3: their messaging was going to be, you know, before the

697
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 3: strings were pulled and they behaved in their as the

698
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: puppets of the regime.

699
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: Ultimately, you know, absolutely, regardless of how it filtered down.

700
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: They are essentially puppets of the regime, a terrorist ray.

701
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 3: It's the snake. They are the head of the snake.

702
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: And and you know, it's it is it's this, It's

703
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: this immaturity and inability to have the confidence to speak

704
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 3: for yourself, to stand for yourself.

705
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 4: I mean I would find it hell.

706
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: You know. In the past couple of days, I've I

707
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: have been grappling with this question of if I had

708
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: known what would happen to me in my career and

709
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: where it would take me, would I have changed course?

710
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 3: But I think the fact of the matter is, knowing

711
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 3: myself this would inevitably have happened. I wouldn't have been

712
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 3: able to be a goody two shoes and just wait

713
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: to be told what to say or how to think.

714
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: That you would be highly incapable of it. And I

715
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't say you'd be capable of much, but that you would.

716
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 4: Be I wouldn't be able to do it.

717
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: We'd be like praying for like, please make this okay

718
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: for us?

719
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 4: What are we going to say? How are we going

720
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 4: to get away with it? You know what?

721
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you look back at so much of the

722
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: focus in this space is on on what you lose,

723
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: and you absolutely lose a lot when you choose to

724
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: speak out and to speak truth, not your truth or

725
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: their truth. There's one truth. When you choose to speak

726
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: the truth. What have you gained?

727
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 4: I have gained.

728
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: An imperviousness to life that I never knew could exist.

729
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 3: I feel like you could take a bulldozer through my

730
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: life on any day of the week now and I

731
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: would just be, like, you know, I have.

732
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 4: But I say that to say that.

733
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 3: I have a confidence in my own survival ability and

734
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 3: my own voice and my capacity to distill information and

735
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 3: have faith that there is light coming at the end

736
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: of the tunnel in.

737
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 4: A way that I never there's.

738
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 3: There's a self knowing and a confidence in the in

739
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 3: the in the moment that I never had before because

740
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 3: I don't have the cushion now of other people.

741
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 4: Really, I mean we do.

742
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: We all have each other, and I'm not going to

743
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 3: deny that we've made a community with each other. But

744
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 3: I don't have that kind of familiar cushioning anymore in

745
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: my life where I can just sort of feel as though, well,

746
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 3: we're all in this thing, so it's going to be okay.

747
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 3: Like I really, I think it's important to acknowledge that

748
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: there is a lot of feeling of isolation, and there's

749
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 3: also a feeling of intellectual isolation, which is a very

750
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: specific thing that you know, when you are lying awake

751
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: with your thoughts and you don't have that ideological shared

752
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 3: experience with the people that you maybe shared a lifestyle with,

753
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 3: you shared your you know, the other passions in your

754
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 3: life with that is that is a big challenge. But

755
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: not having that and being able to hold all myself

756
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: and say, okay, well, I am a public figure still,

757
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: I'm a thought leader, i am a writer. I've managed

758
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: to sustain and build a platform for my thoughts, and yeah,

759
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 3: I'm also still an artist. I'm also still someone who

760
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 3: is obsessed with pop culture, music and film. I'm all

761
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 3: of these things and nobody can take any part of

762
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: my humanity for me. There's a level of security that

763
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 3: I've been able to build for myself that has only

764
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 3: come with standing up.

765
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 4: Against the crowd.

766
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: I think two points. I want to make the isolation,

767
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: the intellectual isolation. I think that's really important to acknowledge it.

768
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: And I feel like, in a way from a morality

769
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: and a values perspective, for me. You know, I've always

770
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: been open to other political opinions, and you know, I

771
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: can disagree with someone politically every day of the week

772
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: and still have a wine with them and enjoy their

773
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: company and think they're great. What I struggle with in

774
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: this space is if you support mass that's not a

775
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: political difference of opinion, that is at the core of

776
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: who you are, the complete opposite of anything I could

777
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: ever tolerate in my circle. And I think that that's

778
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: something I've really struggled with, is that that loss of

779
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: people around too. I thought, oh, we just have differences

780
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: of opinion. Know at the core of who we are,

781
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: we are clearly now incredibly different, and that's that's a

782
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: lonely feeling. The other thing is I used to live

783
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: in fear twenty years in mainstream media, every second of

784
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: every day. Was terrified of ratings, terrified of being sacked,

785
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: terrified of not being good enough, terrified of losing audience.

786
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: Ter I think last year, when I lost every job

787
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: that I'd ever had for the first time in twenty years,

788
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: You're right, I now don't have that fear anymore. And

789
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean my life is easy. It doesn't, you know,

790
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: I still fight for everybody thing. I fight for nothing

791
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 1: most days anyway. But it's that I know I'll be okay,

792
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: which I never had prior. I never thought I'd be

793
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: able to survive that, the humiliation, the loss of income,

794
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: that all of it. And then once you go through it,

795
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: whether you're forced or or by any other means, and

796
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: you survive. It's actually the most It only comes from

797
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: being forced to contend with your greatest phase. And then

798
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 1: you got actually, I can survive anything.

799
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can. You can. I mean, it's wild to

800
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 4: think about. And I just want to pick up on

801
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 4: your first point that you made.

802
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: About the politics things, because I keep drilling this point

803
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 3: home all the time.

804
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 4: I hate politics.

805
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 3: I mean, you're you know you've had to engage a

806
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: lot more in it. But from my perspective, my career

807
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 3: was never about politics. I've if you start talking to

808
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 3: me about politics, I am out of here.

809
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 4: Faster than a bad hell.

810
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 3: I'm it's like it's straight, it's no. So when people

811
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 3: say to me, you know, I just I can't engage

812
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: with your feed at the moment. I'm I'm unsubscribing from

813
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 3: your subset because I just I need a break from politics,

814
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 3: and I'm like, honey, no, I don't talk about politics.

815
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: This is about humanity. These are humanitarian stories. We are

816
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 3: truly in the lexicon of good versus evil right now,

817
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: and we are trying to save Western civilization from falling

818
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 3: to falling into like three thousand years backwards, you know.

819
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 3: And I think because you have also been, you've also

820
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 3: been in witnessed, and I thank you for going to

821
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: Israel and bearing witness. You know, as a as a

822
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 3: righteous gentile, it's a really impressive and unnecessary thing to do.

823
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 3: And we must continue to, you know, always make it

824
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: known how courageous even just doing that is as an

825
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: act in itself. But when you have, when you have been,

826
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 3: and you have seen the evidence for the massacre on

827
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 3: October the seventh, and you go to the communities that

828
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 3: were destroyed, it is clear it becomes black and white.

829
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: There is nothing political about what Hamas did.

830
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 4: And the civilians of.

831
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: Gaza who also breached the border on October the seventh,

832
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 3: there is nothing political about what they did. It was

833
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,959
Speaker 3: just evil. It was just the destruction of a civilization

834
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: that bordered itself with Gaza.

835
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 4: And that's it.

836
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 3: It's a threat, it's a threat to all of us

837
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 3: if it is a threat on that border.

838
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: So agree entirely, and yeah, you're right. People say it's political.

839
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: No it's not. It's not justifiable, it's not resistance, it's

840
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: not political. It was mass murder in the most horrific way.

841
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: And you're right. You know, when I went to Israel,

842
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't because I needed evidence. I mean that was

843
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: very clear prior with all my commentary. I didn't need

844
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: to go and see firsthand. I'd seen enough to understand

845
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: what had happened. But to stand in a room where

846
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: two little girls the age of my daughter were burned alive,

847
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: to stand in that room and then to walk out

848
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: and see people trying to justify and you know, it's abhorrent,

849
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: and you're right. At its core, this is not complex.

850
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: Is good versus evil? Choose your side and I've.

851
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

852
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: I mean it's a really stark dichotomy, isn't it, especially

853
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 3: when you're there. I wrote the days when I was

854
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: first there, and I'm there and I'm looking on my

855
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 3: social media feeds and that that too, that that split

856
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: world is it's actually an overwhelming thing to deal with,

857
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 3: seeing the denial while you're standing at the sight of

858
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: you know, you're standing in the Holocaust essentially.

859
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's terrific. Eve. Let's end on a positive note,

860
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: and you're allowed to be wrong with any prediction you

861
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: make here. By the way, this is a safe thank you.

862
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: What what let's in two years if I have you

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Speaker 1: back on, because clearly my show will have grown immensely

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Speaker 1: and still be on. Obviously, what will what will we

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Speaker 1: be talking about? Do you think in two years what

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Speaker 1: will we.

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Speaker 4: Be to That's such a good question. Well, I hope

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Speaker 4: that we will be talking about.

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Speaker 3: The face of the new Middle East as subsequent, Yes,

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Speaker 3: and subsequently, if there is peace in the Middle East

871
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Speaker 3: and security in the region, subsequently, that would mean in

872
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Speaker 3: my opinion, that the West will have committed this period

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Speaker 3: of betraying itself into the history books.

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Speaker 1: And we will not be learned from and never repeated again.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and we will not be applying for passports to

876
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Speaker 3: go and live in Tehran. But that is where I hope, sincerely,

877
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Speaker 3: that is where I hope we will be in a

878
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Speaker 3: time of correction, of reconciliation, of forgiveness, of humility, and

879
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 3: I hope that you erin and hopefully myself too will

880
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Speaker 3: be leading that conversation and that people will be able

881
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Speaker 3: to learn from what we have been doing for the

882
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 3: last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: I love that here here beautifully said. Now, Eve, I

884
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Speaker 1: know that, I mean most of my audience will know

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00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: exactly who you are and how to follow you. But

886
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: tell them because anyone who doesn't will now want to

887
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: read and lap up every single thing that you spout.

888
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: So how can we find you?

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00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 3: So you can find me on X I am Eve

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00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 3: Underscore Barlow. I'm on Instagram without the underscore you've Borrolow

891
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 3: and I also have a substack called Blacklistaedge that I

892
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Speaker 3: publish on multiple times a week.

893
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Speaker 1: Which is brilliant, of which I am a paid subscriber,

894
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: and I love it so well done on that It's phenomenal.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, and thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me. She's brilliant, isn't she. Now,

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, before we go, I wanted to share

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Speaker 1: a story with you, and I tease this at the

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Speaker 1: start of the show, and I've got one bit of

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Speaker 1: fan fearback I'll bring to you afterwards. But my encounter

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Speaker 1: with kid Rock so I was up at Capitol Hill

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Speaker 1: after one of my meetings, and I was waiting outside

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Speaker 1: for an uber again, freezing in the snow. I think

904
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Speaker 1: I was wearing open toad shoes because I'm an idiot,

905
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Speaker 1: and I'm standing there frozen, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: outwalks Kid Rock, who had been testifying it some ticket

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00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: I senate hearing, and I was watching him whilst I

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Speaker 1: was inside. Actually you speak a little bit, and he

909
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: was very impressive and whatever else, and I thought, oh,

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00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: he follows me on X and he does. He only

911
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: follows like two or three hundred people, and I'm one

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00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: of them. And I remember when he did. I was

913
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: so excited. So he walks out and he starts to

914
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: walk over to my direction. I'm just standing there alone.

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00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: He's got a couple of kind of his people. I

916
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: obviously have no people. And anyway, I normally I never

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Speaker 1: approached celebrities or famous people. I don't ask for photos.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a I just don't. I remember my dad

919
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: used to say to me years ago, like, if you

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00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: ask someone for an autographer, means you're saying you're better

921
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: than me, and no one's better than you. But I

922
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: thought I didn't think we were peers. Okay, I'm not

923
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Speaker 1: putting myself in kid Rocks category. But because he follows

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Speaker 1: me on X, I assumed that he must know who

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Speaker 1: I am, so I kind of I kind of walk

926
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Speaker 1: over as he's walking down the steps, and I pulled

927
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: my hand out and at first I say kid, like, oh,

928
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Speaker 1: that's not even his name, it's like his stage name.

929
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Speaker 1: I don't like, what do people call him? I don't

930
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Speaker 1: know when I was like kid, And so then I'd

931
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: already died inside because I was embarrassed. And I was like,

932
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, he's going to recognize me. I mean,

933
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Speaker 1: he only follows turning to fifty people. He must love

934
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Speaker 1: my commentary. He must. He looks at me like I'm

935
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Speaker 1: a nutcase. I said, oh, kid erin Oh my god,

936
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Speaker 1: his face. I mean it kind of I was like,

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Speaker 1: And then I said, you follow me on X still nothing.

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Speaker 1: In fact, he did like the look beyond me, almost

939
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: like a cry for help. That's what his look beyond

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00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: me said to me. And I should have just but

941
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: I said the Australian Commentator. I talk about politics and

942
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Speaker 1: foreign affairs and national security. And don't get me wrong,

943
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Speaker 1: he wasn't rude. He was I mean friendly, but he

944
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Speaker 1: kind of said, well, he didn't kind it. He actually

945
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Speaker 1: just said other people run my account and I, oh, oh,

946
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Speaker 1: nice to meet you. And then his person kind of

947
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: pulled him along and he like smarter. I die. I

948
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Speaker 1: don't think I can ever come back from that. So

949
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Speaker 1: that was my encounter with kid Rock. So we've established.

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Speaker 1: But he himself did not follow me on X that

951
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: he himself is not a fan of mine, but he

952
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: himself has no idea who I am, and that he

953
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: himself had no interest in getting to know who I am.

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00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: That was evident he'd had a long day. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: he was tired. Now, ladies and gentlemen, before I let

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Speaker 1: you go, because it's been a long episode, let me

957
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: give you the little bit of fan feedback. This came

958
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: to my emails from anonymous anonymous dot com. They emailed

959
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: me a lot, by the way, and believe you may

960
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: not just anonymous, but this specific person. Why don't you

961
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,959
Speaker 1: put in your real name and your email address? Speak

962
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: cowardly erin I watched your short. You took a lot

963
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: of artistic license. Don't undermine your integrity. Your assertion is

964
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: at least two degrees of separation from what was said

965
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: on that video clip you played. First, it was not

966
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Speaker 1: Trump's voice, it was a narrative overlay of images. Second,

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00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: he didn't single anyone out. There's a blanket statement and

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00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: again not Trump himself speaking. Please don't do this. We're

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Speaker 1: all yearning for him to do what you said, but

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00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: he didn't do it. So this was clickbait and or

971
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Speaker 1: wishful thinking. But don't manipulate your audience like that. You're

972
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: better than that. Well, Anonymous at anonymous dot com, Where

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Speaker 1: do I even start a if I wanted to go

974
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Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole of clickbait, I would, and I'd

975
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Speaker 1: do it very effectively.

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Speaker 4: We don't.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we use headlines and things we think will draw

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Speaker 1: in an audience because we want as many people as

979
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Speaker 1: possible to see the show because we believe in it.

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Speaker 1: We believe the more people who see it, the better

981
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: off the world will be. And that's fine. If you

982
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Speaker 1: think that's arrogant. I mean, I wouldn't be doing this otherwise,

983
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Speaker 1: But it's not clickbait. Everything you said there is wrong.

984
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's official account on truth social posted this video

985
00:56:54,640 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: and over the faces of Candace and Tucker, it said, STU,

986
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: it's time to shut the beep up. Now when you

987
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: post something like that, and he didn't even repost it.

988
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: But you'll notice on X they have this scene where

989
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: often in the bio of someone's profile, they'll say a

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00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: repost is not an endorsement, because people assume, quite rightly

991
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: in most cases, when someone does something, if they haven't

992
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: kind of qualified it, that it is Donald Trump posting

993
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: a video to his own account without any context that

994
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: has the words in it over the face of Candace

995
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: and Tucker STFU. Is as good as the President saying Tucker, Candace,

996
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: shut the up. So don't accuse me of manipulating my

997
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: audience or clickbaiting. I did neither. That was not two

998
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: three degrees. It was a post on his account that

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00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: had images of their faces and the words STFU. Now,

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00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: if he posted that with the words this is awful

1001
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: mean and I disagree, entyler, I love Tucker and I

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00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: love Candice, then you'd be right. He didn't. He posted

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Speaker 1: it as is to his own account, didn't even repost

1004
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: it or retrouth it or whatever the hell it is.

1005
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: He screen recorded people, you know, they do it with

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00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: his permission. I'm sure he didn't screen record it and

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00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: posted it to his account, so again, put that in

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Speaker 1: your pipe and smoke it. I love you all, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for watching MO. Mom w we'll see

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow. Take care,