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Speaker 1: Life, Audio, What are the atoms?

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Speaker 2: What is the basic structures of structural blocks of a

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Speaker 2: society and of a country, And if you begin to

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Speaker 2: think about what it is, it's actually communities built by

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Speaker 2: families and homes. So I always tell people the most

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Speaker 2: important thing that happens in our country is not what

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Speaker 2: happens in the White House, is what happens in your house.

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Speaker 3: Greg Glory. Here in our nation's capital, Washington, d C.

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Speaker 3: And I'm in the State Department, and it is directed

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Speaker 3: by our Secretary of State, Marco Rubio. And so I

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Speaker 3: met Secretary of Rubio over ten years ago when he

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Speaker 3: was the Senator Rubio, and he came to a couple's

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Speaker 3: comforts I was speaking at and someone said, would you

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Speaker 3: like to meet Marco Rubio. They didn't say Senator Marco Rubio,

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Speaker 3: the same. We got to know Marco and his wife

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Speaker 3: Jeannette their invitation, went to Washington, DC, and met a

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Speaker 3: lot of his very interesting friends like Trey Goudi and

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Speaker 3: Tim Scott and so many others who had strong faith.

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Speaker 3: What I really loved was how they would study the

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Speaker 3: Bible together, and their faith motivated and moved them in

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Speaker 3: so many of their decisions. So I had the unique

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Speaker 3: Marco Rubio and talk about his role, his pivotal role

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Speaker 3: that he is playing in our nation right now, starting

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Speaker 3: with the release of the hostages, and the great confidence

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Speaker 3: that the President has placed in him. In fact, President

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Speaker 3: Trump just said of Secretary of State Marco Rubio, he

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Speaker 3: is the greatest Secretary of State in American history. That's

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Speaker 3: quite a compliment, and I believe we'll deserve. So you're

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Speaker 3: going to see perhaps the side of the Secretary you

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Speaker 3: things about his life, about his faith, about how his

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Speaker 3: faith influences what he does, and much more. So join

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Speaker 3: me now for this special sit down talk with Secretary

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Speaker 3: of State Marco Rubio. Mister Secretary, thanks for thank you

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Speaker 3: taking the time to talk a little bit, and congratulations

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Speaker 3: on this incredible historic achievement of finally getting the hostages freed.

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Speaker 3: And I was watching on television when the President at

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Speaker 3: the Knesset and you were there with him in Israel,

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Speaker 3: said of you that you're the greatest Secretary of State

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Speaker 3: in history went through your mind when you.

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Speaker 2: Want, Well, look, the President's great about that stuff, and

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Speaker 2: I'm grateful to him, But really the credit for that

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Speaker 2: deal and some ma of the other things belongs with him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he did things.

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Speaker 2: And I've said this, I've sort of alluded to it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe one day the story will be told. One day

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Speaker 2: history will provide the details of how this came about

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Speaker 1: And then we had a great team on the ground

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Speaker 2: I mean, Steve Woodcoff and Jared Kushner deserve a tremendous

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Speaker 2: I'm blessed and grateful to be a part of it.

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Speaker 2: And you know, over time, and perhaps you've had the

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Speaker 2: To be able to see those people on television reuniting

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Speaker 2: of a day as historic as that. Now, that said,

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Speaker 3: We were in Israel not long ago, and we raised

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Speaker 3: I finally did get released. We met over ten years

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Speaker 3: then we met you and your wonderful, wonderful wife, Jeanette.

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Speaker 3: We got to know each other, and what so impressed

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Speaker 3: That's true, and it was so great just to see

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Speaker 4: One of the things he wants us to take away

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Speaker 4: who loved us and created us for the purpose of

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Speaker 4: living with him in eternity. But then sin entered the

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Speaker 4: And so God took on the form of a man

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Speaker 1: And then, and to prove any.

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Speaker 4: But he promised he would return, and he will. And

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Speaker 4: And when he returns, there will be a new heaven

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Speaker 1: Thank you, and God bless you.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I thought you did a better job presenting

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Speaker 3: the Gospel than some creatures i've heard. It was theologically accurate,

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Speaker 3: it was passionate, and it was also understandable, and we

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Speaker 3: And then Jeannette told Kathy that you had no notes

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it works out better that way sometimes, I think.

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Speaker 2: So what happens when you don't write things out is

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Speaker 2: There are speeches you have to give that are written,

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Speaker 2: and often I'll do an outline. They're just notes of reminders,

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Speaker 2: I want to go back to something you mentioned about marriage,

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Speaker 2: because I know it's a topic. It's interesting. The other

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Speaker 2: If you look at the Bible repeatedly in the Gospels,

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Speaker 2: It's never described as a parent's love for a child.

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Speaker 2: It's almost described the bridegroom, and so it tells you

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Speaker 1: Marriage has on to God.

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Speaker 2: How in many cases, you know, marriages in fact a

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Speaker 2: sacramental union that really reflects God's love for people. So

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Speaker 2: that said, you know, it's as everyone knows who's been

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Speaker 2: it is the most important job I'll ever have. It's more,

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Speaker 2: it's more important than being a parent. It's actually related

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Speaker 2: I think one of the things that were unique about

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Speaker 1: But his mission, I felt, his ministry.

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Speaker 2: The reinvigoration of the society of all the things we know,

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Speaker 2: in many ways. That's what his mission was really geared towards,

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Speaker 1: Conversation won't happen. But yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was, and that memorialbout it was an amazing situation

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Speaker 3: One hundred million people watched it.

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Speaker 1: It was unreal.

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Speaker 3: H So, you know, coming back to marriage, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you can almost take every social ill in America today

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Speaker 3: specifically to a lack of fathers. I've looked at statistics

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Speaker 3: In an almost every instance, they come from a broken

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Speaker 3: heard it said that a nation can survive a family

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the important point to note is that

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Speaker 2: it is a nation. But what is the what are

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Speaker 2: you begin to think about what it is, it's actually

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Speaker 2: communities built by families and homes. So I always tell

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Speaker 2: people the most important thing that happens in our country

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Speaker 2: is not what happens in the White House, is what

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Speaker 2: happens in your house.

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Speaker 1: So that's an example of it too.

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Speaker 2: onto the situation in.

440
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Speaker 1: Gaza as the latest example.

441
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Speaker 2: They view Israel and by extension, the Jewish people, as

442
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Speaker 2: they say it openly, as some sort of colonial capitalist

443
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Speaker 2: invaders that occupied a land that didn't belong to them,

444
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Speaker 2: that they in many cases making a historic arguments about

445
00:20:46,604 --> 00:20:48,805
Speaker 2: how the Jewish people had never had an enduring presence in.

446
00:20:48,764 --> 00:20:50,325
Speaker 1: That land, which we know is not true.

447
00:20:50,604 --> 00:20:52,685
Speaker 2: So I think it's latched onto it, and it's a

448
00:20:52,685 --> 00:20:56,084
Speaker 2: globalized movement, and I think it's sick and destructive and

449
00:20:56,084 --> 00:20:58,885
Speaker 2: should be rejected in all its forms very true.

450
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Speaker 3: And then the interest among so many young people in

451
00:21:02,004 --> 00:21:05,764
Speaker 3: socialism and communism. I mean your family, of course came

452
00:21:05,804 --> 00:21:10,164
Speaker 3: from Quba communist country. Why this interest in communism? Do

453
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Speaker 3: you think that so many of these young people even

454
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Speaker 3: fully understand what any of these things mean. When they

455
00:21:15,125 --> 00:21:19,365
Speaker 3: call people fascists Nazis and they are drawn to communism

456
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Speaker 3: and socialism, what is going on?

457
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Speaker 2: Well, it's part of what actually talking about Charlie Kirk,

458
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Speaker 2: It's part of the things that he was confronting on campuses,

459
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Speaker 2: and I thought he did it in a very effective way,

460
00:21:28,084 --> 00:21:30,724
Speaker 2: which is that he would engage people in debate and

461
00:21:30,764 --> 00:21:33,644
Speaker 2: force them to justify they understand that in many of

462
00:21:33,685 --> 00:21:38,564
Speaker 2: these cases, these beliefs that some people adopt about socialism,

463
00:21:38,604 --> 00:21:42,565
Speaker 2: about communism in particular, are never challenged. They're not challenging

464
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Speaker 2: At the university setting. It begins with your professor sort

465
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Speaker 2: of pushing this on you, and then there really aren't

466
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Speaker 2: forms available on that can be challenged. So I do

467
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Speaker 2: think it's a combination. I think academia has played a

468
00:21:54,165 --> 00:21:56,445
Speaker 2: big part in this. Academia has become a magnet and

469
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Speaker 2: there's always been to be clear, there's always been crazy

470
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Speaker 2: professors there's always been people that are out of whack

471
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Speaker 2: and how they think about certain things. I don't think

472
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Speaker 2: it had been as institutional as it's been over the

473
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Speaker 2: last thirty or forty years. And you know, you've now

474
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Speaker 2: produced multiple generations of young Americans that have gone through

475
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Speaker 2: this system, particularly pronounce in our most elite schools. People

476
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Speaker 2: leave these most elite schools with that level of indoctrination,

477
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Speaker 2: and in twenty years they wind up in positions of

478
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Speaker 2: authority and power. And so I think we're now beginning

479
00:22:23,324 --> 00:22:25,484
Speaker 2: to see the ramifications of that. In many cases they

480
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Speaker 2: go back and become the crazy professors, except there's a

481
00:22:27,764 --> 00:22:30,685
Speaker 2: lot more of them. Sometimes they go back and become administrators.

482
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Speaker 2: And so that needs to be challenged because the purpose

483
00:22:32,804 --> 00:22:34,884
Speaker 2: of the university is to learn, and you learn by

484
00:22:34,925 --> 00:22:38,284
Speaker 2: being exposed and being challenged in your beliefs, not by indoctrination.

485
00:22:38,324 --> 00:22:41,484
Speaker 2: There's a big difference between education and indoctrination. So I

486
00:22:41,484 --> 00:22:43,844
Speaker 2: think there's some consequence of that that we're seeing play out.

487
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Speaker 2: And I want to say it's not just a US phenomena.

488
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Speaker 2: It's a Western phenomenon that's played out in multiple places

489
00:22:50,604 --> 00:22:53,205
Speaker 2: around the world. But I also see there's a legitimate

490
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Speaker 2: pushback happening now. And I think that's what Charlie Kirk

491
00:22:55,604 --> 00:22:58,244
Speaker 2: as much as anything else did is he challenged young

492
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Speaker 2: people to question these things that were being taught, and

493
00:23:01,084 --> 00:23:04,044
Speaker 2: in many cases, you know, engaged in debate in front

494
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Speaker 2: of them with people he disagreed with, as the most

495
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Speaker 2: effective way of poking.

496
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Speaker 1: Holes in the argument of the other side.

497
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Speaker 3: You're very outfront about your faith when you were senator,

498
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Speaker 3: at one point you were texting a passage of scripture

499
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Speaker 3: every day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, on the old Twitter now known as that Yes, that's.

501
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Speaker 3: Right, and you would do it, I think very early

502
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Speaker 3: in the morning, right, Like what time do you wake

503
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Speaker 3: up in the morning.

504
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Speaker 1: Depends on the day, It depends on the time zone.

505
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Speaker 1: If we're traveling, you know, we're now this kind of

506
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Speaker 1: I'm generally an earlier riser than other people.

507
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Speaker 3: Honey, would just all these time zones will keep your

508
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Speaker 3: wits about you.

509
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Speaker 2: It depends on where you're going. You generally try to

510
00:23:39,604 --> 00:23:41,044
Speaker 2: it depends on you're going to be there. So we

511
00:23:41,125 --> 00:23:43,205
Speaker 2: just did a very quick trip to Israel, Egypt and back.

512
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Speaker 2: So you didn't want to mess with the time because

513
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Speaker 2: you're going to be back.

514
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Speaker 3: The next day, you just stayed in an American time.

515
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Speaker 2: You kind of just did it and you got You know,

516
00:23:49,405 --> 00:23:50,804
Speaker 2: the President doesn't very much sleep.

517
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Speaker 1: Very I was on his plane. He doesn't really sleep.

518
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Speaker 3: Is there a place for you to sleep on that plane? Well?

519
00:23:56,244 --> 00:23:59,964
Speaker 2: Yeah, except you know, but not comfortably, you know. And

520
00:24:00,004 --> 00:24:01,804
Speaker 2: I'm not a great sleeper to begin with, like the

521
00:24:01,844 --> 00:24:03,284
Speaker 2: other people that can sit in a chair and just

522
00:24:03,324 --> 00:24:04,965
Speaker 2: fall a seat for fifteen minutes and they wake up.

523
00:24:05,004 --> 00:24:07,925
Speaker 2: That's not my forte. But if it's a one day thing,

524
00:24:07,925 --> 00:24:09,324
Speaker 2: you can handle it, you know. I think if it

525
00:24:09,365 --> 00:24:11,564
Speaker 2: extends now, if you're going somewhere around the world, or

526
00:24:11,564 --> 00:24:13,925
Speaker 2: the twelve hour time difference, I try to at least

527
00:24:13,965 --> 00:24:16,205
Speaker 2: cut that in half and maybe you know, a day

528
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Speaker 2: or two ahead of time, fall asleep, if possible, six

529
00:24:18,764 --> 00:24:21,205
Speaker 2: hours earlier. So your body guy, But you don't know.

530
00:24:21,365 --> 00:24:23,004
Speaker 2: You just got to just you know, fight through it.

531
00:24:23,804 --> 00:24:25,645
Speaker 2: And usually the first day is not as bad. It's

532
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Speaker 2: the second or third day where it starts to hit

533
00:24:27,365 --> 00:24:29,844
Speaker 2: you a little bit so, but you work through it.

534
00:24:29,844 --> 00:24:30,885
Speaker 2: It's asn't been too bad.

535
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Speaker 3: Years ago, I flew to Australia, which, as you know,

536
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Speaker 3: it's like I'm fifteen hour flight from LA and I

537
00:24:37,044 --> 00:24:39,364
Speaker 3: got up the plane and I had a speaking engagement

538
00:24:39,885 --> 00:24:43,164
Speaker 3: and I drank three espressos right before I spoke, And

539
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Speaker 3: as I got up to speak, I felt like I

540
00:24:45,084 --> 00:24:48,004
Speaker 3: was in an altered state of consciousness. What I was

541
00:24:48,044 --> 00:24:49,965
Speaker 3: seeing made no sense to me. And I just said

542
00:24:49,965 --> 00:24:53,364
Speaker 3: to myself, your mind was right when you wrote the notes.

543
00:24:53,484 --> 00:24:56,445
Speaker 3: Read the notes, and don't add lib it was so bad,

544
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Speaker 3: But it is.

545
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Speaker 2: It takes a little bit of adjusting to do. And

546
00:25:00,484 --> 00:25:03,564
Speaker 2: there's and I think some people are more affected by

547
00:25:03,604 --> 00:25:06,325
Speaker 2: it than others. Like I said, I'm fortunate I've never

548
00:25:06,324 --> 00:25:08,965
Speaker 2: really had like bad, bad jet lag. I mean, there's

549
00:25:08,965 --> 00:25:10,764
Speaker 2: been times where it's two in the afternoon somewhere, but

550
00:25:10,764 --> 00:25:12,645
Speaker 2: it's two in the morning, and so your body's telling

551
00:25:12,685 --> 00:25:14,885
Speaker 2: you need to be sleeping right now. But we fight

552
00:25:14,925 --> 00:25:18,324
Speaker 2: through it, and that's why God invented caffeine.

553
00:25:18,965 --> 00:25:23,605
Speaker 3: Now, you you've made sacrifices or for your faith. I'm

554
00:25:23,645 --> 00:25:25,645
Speaker 3: you stood up for your faith. Has it ever cost

555
00:25:25,725 --> 00:25:29,004
Speaker 3: you politically? Do you think or has it not affected you?

556
00:25:29,524 --> 00:25:30,925
Speaker 1: I don't know if it has or has it.

557
00:25:31,044 --> 00:25:32,965
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I'm not I can't give

558
00:25:32,965 --> 00:25:34,165
Speaker 2: you an example of what I thought.

559
00:25:35,084 --> 00:25:38,084
Speaker 3: So I think with you, it's so beautifully integrated into

560
00:25:38,125 --> 00:25:40,645
Speaker 3: your life and everything that you say and do well, But.

561
00:25:40,564 --> 00:25:42,325
Speaker 1: The Gospel's clear you'll be hated for it.

562
00:25:42,484 --> 00:25:45,324
Speaker 2: Yes, So, I mean, I think people that understand, people

563
00:25:45,324 --> 00:25:47,685
Speaker 2: that go into this understanding that ours is the faith

564
00:25:47,764 --> 00:25:51,564
Speaker 2: of the Cross. It's not the faith of winning the lottery.

565
00:25:50,965 --> 00:25:54,004
Speaker 2: And there's nothing wrong with walth, there's nothing wrong with success,

566
00:25:54,044 --> 00:25:55,324
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with happiness.

567
00:25:55,604 --> 00:25:57,605
Speaker 1: But I think it's a misunderstanding of Christianity.

568
00:25:57,725 --> 00:26:01,444
Speaker 2: Believe that it's that it leads to happiness and prosperity.

569
00:26:01,484 --> 00:26:03,844
Speaker 2: These are things that God may bless you with. But

570
00:26:03,965 --> 00:26:05,885
Speaker 2: our faith is the faith of the Cross. And in fact,

571
00:26:05,925 --> 00:26:08,965
Speaker 2: if you look at the era of Christianity, where Christianity

572
00:26:08,965 --> 00:26:11,645
Speaker 2: has been strongest and most vibrant is when it's countercultural.

573
00:26:12,244 --> 00:26:13,924
Speaker 2: When it's been strong and the most vibrant is when

574
00:26:13,925 --> 00:26:16,084
Speaker 2: it's been oppressed. Now, I don't seek oppression, We don't

575
00:26:16,084 --> 00:26:20,205
Speaker 2: seek to uh to be you hated, but it's going

576
00:26:20,244 --> 00:26:23,244
Speaker 2: to happen. And once you understand that, and it's and

577
00:26:23,284 --> 00:26:25,404
Speaker 2: in some cases it's not just hatred, it's a special

578
00:26:25,484 --> 00:26:28,124
Speaker 2: kind of anger that you see that some people adopt

579
00:26:28,165 --> 00:26:30,405
Speaker 2: as a result of your faith. But I can't say

580
00:26:30,445 --> 00:26:34,284
Speaker 2: it's necessarily led to a sacrifice, or its hurt me

581
00:26:34,405 --> 00:26:37,605
Speaker 2: or harm me politically. But it really wouldn't matter. I mean,

582
00:26:37,645 --> 00:26:39,924
Speaker 2: there might be some issues that I believe strongly about

583
00:26:40,084 --> 00:26:41,524
Speaker 2: when I was in political office.

584
00:26:41,844 --> 00:26:43,685
Speaker 1: Now you know an.

585
00:26:43,564 --> 00:26:47,484
Speaker 2: Executive os that, but i'd I said, I'd rather lose

586
00:26:47,524 --> 00:26:49,725
Speaker 2: an election than be wrong on those issues in the

587
00:26:49,725 --> 00:26:50,604
Speaker 2: public stage.

588
00:26:50,804 --> 00:26:53,164
Speaker 3: You once said that there's never been a nation like

589
00:26:53,524 --> 00:26:57,084
Speaker 3: the United States. It begins with the principles of our

590
00:26:57,165 --> 00:27:01,364
Speaker 3: founding documents, principles that recognize our rights come from God,

591
00:27:01,885 --> 00:27:06,325
Speaker 3: not government. And you see America as unique. I mean,

592
00:27:06,365 --> 00:27:08,604
Speaker 3: I would say, and I'm sure you would agree, but

593
00:27:08,725 --> 00:27:11,965
Speaker 3: I believe America is the greatest nation in the world today.

594
00:27:12,004 --> 00:27:14,804
Speaker 3: We have our flaws, we have our shortcomings, but there's

595
00:27:14,844 --> 00:27:18,244
Speaker 3: no place like America. Do you agree with that? And

596
00:27:18,324 --> 00:27:19,084
Speaker 3: it's so white?

597
00:27:19,165 --> 00:27:20,765
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, America is not a government.

598
00:27:20,804 --> 00:27:22,925
Speaker 2: I think that's the mistake people make is they think

599
00:27:22,925 --> 00:27:25,605
Speaker 2: America is a government. We have a government, but America

600
00:27:25,685 --> 00:27:27,484
Speaker 2: is a nation, and a nation, as I said earlier,

601
00:27:27,885 --> 00:27:30,365
Speaker 2: is a society made up of communities. This is really

602
00:27:30,405 --> 00:27:33,725
Speaker 2: where change matters, where change happens and communities are made.

603
00:27:33,604 --> 00:27:35,844
Speaker 1: Up of families, and so that's the key. And if

604
00:27:35,885 --> 00:27:36,764
Speaker 1: that breaks down at the.

605
00:27:36,685 --> 00:27:38,845
Speaker 2: Family level, and you can't have community, and if community

606
00:27:38,844 --> 00:27:41,244
Speaker 2: breaks down, then you really aren't a nation per se.

607
00:27:41,324 --> 00:27:43,445
Speaker 2: So to me, that's always been fundamental and important. We're

608
00:27:43,484 --> 00:27:45,124
Speaker 2: not a government. We have a government, but we're not

609
00:27:45,205 --> 00:27:48,805
Speaker 2: a government. The American story is special and unique because

610
00:27:48,844 --> 00:27:51,764
Speaker 2: it is founded on a very powerful principle which even

611
00:27:51,804 --> 00:27:54,124
Speaker 2: today is not largely accepted in much of the world,

612
00:27:54,405 --> 00:27:57,124
Speaker 2: but certainly when those words were written, we're alien to

613
00:27:57,165 --> 00:28:00,125
Speaker 2: most people. The idea for almost everyone that's ever existed,

614
00:28:00,445 --> 00:28:02,644
Speaker 2: they were told that you don't have any rights. To

615
00:28:02,685 --> 00:28:04,685
Speaker 2: the extent you have them, it's because they've been given

616
00:28:04,764 --> 00:28:06,804
Speaker 2: to you by your lead leaders. Your rights or whatever

617
00:28:06,804 --> 00:28:09,124
Speaker 2: your leaders say you have, and largely your rights or

618
00:28:09,125 --> 00:28:11,324
Speaker 2: whatever you're able to belong to the people with the

619
00:28:11,365 --> 00:28:14,004
Speaker 2: most weapons, who can win the war. And the notion

620
00:28:14,084 --> 00:28:16,284
Speaker 2: that somehow, no, no, your rights don't come from the law,

621
00:28:16,405 --> 00:28:18,244
Speaker 2: they don't come from the government, they don't come from

622
00:28:18,284 --> 00:28:21,164
Speaker 2: your leaders. Your rights come from your creator, and the

623
00:28:21,244 --> 00:28:23,684
Speaker 2: job of government is to protect your rights, not to

624
00:28:23,725 --> 00:28:26,645
Speaker 2: decide them or to bestow them. That's a very unique thought,

625
00:28:26,725 --> 00:28:29,124
Speaker 2: and that's a very unique belief and it's a foundational

626
00:28:29,165 --> 00:28:31,844
Speaker 2: principle of the country. Have we always lived up to

627
00:28:31,885 --> 00:28:34,764
Speaker 2: that belief. No, because it's a human institution. Right at

628
00:28:34,764 --> 00:28:36,685
Speaker 2: the end of the day, anything that's a human institution

629
00:28:36,804 --> 00:28:38,565
Speaker 2: will bring with it the flaws of humanity.

630
00:28:38,925 --> 00:28:40,525
Speaker 1: But I also think one of the great things about

631
00:28:40,525 --> 00:28:41,525
Speaker 1: the American.

632
00:28:41,125 --> 00:28:45,445
Speaker 2: Story is that every injustice, every great cause in American

633
00:28:45,525 --> 00:28:49,325
Speaker 2: history has been a demand to fulfill our pounding principles,

634
00:28:49,604 --> 00:28:52,485
Speaker 2: not a revolution against our founding principles. The reason why

635
00:28:52,485 --> 00:28:55,125
Speaker 2: slavery could not survive in America is because it violated

636
00:28:55,125 --> 00:28:57,844
Speaker 2: our founding principles. The reason why women vote is because

637
00:28:57,844 --> 00:29:00,685
Speaker 2: it violated our founding principles. Every single one of the

638
00:29:00,685 --> 00:29:03,364
Speaker 2: great causes in American history has been a demand that

639
00:29:03,405 --> 00:29:06,725
Speaker 2: we live up to the principles of our founding beautiful.

640
00:29:07,045 --> 00:29:11,165
Speaker 3: Okay, So closing lightning round weird questions You've probably never

641
00:29:11,205 --> 00:29:14,605
Speaker 3: been asked, but your friend Greg is going to ask you. Okay,

642
00:29:14,685 --> 00:29:17,925
Speaker 3: So what's your favorite food? Like when you like go

643
00:29:17,965 --> 00:29:20,125
Speaker 3: to comfort food, what do you order?

644
00:29:20,485 --> 00:29:22,884
Speaker 2: Chicken parmesan or a pizza of every I mean a

645
00:29:22,925 --> 00:29:26,405
Speaker 2: good pizza, you know, Yeah, I just like that stuff.

646
00:29:26,125 --> 00:29:26,964
Speaker 3: And pizza too.

647
00:29:27,045 --> 00:29:28,365
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, do.

648
00:29:28,325 --> 00:29:30,565
Speaker 3: You have a favorite movie of all timer? Maybe a

649
00:29:30,645 --> 00:29:31,805
Speaker 3: top three or four movies?

650
00:29:31,925 --> 00:29:33,485
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I like all the I don't know

651
00:29:33,525 --> 00:29:34,924
Speaker 2: about Godfather three was okay.

652
00:29:35,084 --> 00:29:36,644
Speaker 1: I mean if it was if they had only made

653
00:29:36,645 --> 00:29:39,525
Speaker 1: a Godfather three, people wouldn't say a nice way. But

654
00:29:39,604 --> 00:29:42,485
Speaker 1: I think Godfather too, followed by Godfather one. I get it.

655
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Speaker 2: It's not the most family friendly thing, but it's such

656
00:29:44,205 --> 00:29:45,325
Speaker 2: a fascinating.

657
00:29:44,844 --> 00:29:45,924
Speaker 3: Story story of a family.

658
00:29:46,205 --> 00:29:48,485
Speaker 1: It is a story of a family. It is you know,

659
00:29:48,525 --> 00:29:51,525
Speaker 1: it's one of my favorites too. It's very well done.

660
00:29:51,525 --> 00:29:53,485
Speaker 3: But one and two, Yes, this is not my list.

661
00:29:53,885 --> 00:29:56,525
Speaker 3: So what is your favorite book? I know you read

662
00:29:56,565 --> 00:29:59,164
Speaker 3: the Bible all the time, so we'll exclude that. So

663
00:29:59,405 --> 00:30:02,485
Speaker 3: is there a book that's profoundly moved you or you

664
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Speaker 3: go back to and read again and again.

665
00:30:04,604 --> 00:30:06,205
Speaker 2: You know, there's a couple books out there that I

666
00:30:06,245 --> 00:30:10,604
Speaker 2: think are very fascinating. The Obstacle is the Way, But

667
00:30:10,725 --> 00:30:12,765
Speaker 2: I think it's Ryan Holliday, if I'm not mistaken, And

668
00:30:12,805 --> 00:30:15,245
Speaker 2: it tells the story about how many of the great

669
00:30:15,245 --> 00:30:18,165
Speaker 2: achievements in human history were people that had failed a

670
00:30:18,245 --> 00:30:20,565
Speaker 2: thousand times before and they finally got it. Right, So

671
00:30:20,604 --> 00:30:24,405
Speaker 2: that was one, and then autobiographies. I've read multiple autobiographies

672
00:30:24,405 --> 00:30:25,725
Speaker 2: about Lincoln, about Churchill.

673
00:30:26,084 --> 00:30:27,405
Speaker 1: I think you learned a lot about.

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Speaker 2: The not autobiographies biographies about from Lincoln, about Churchill, about

675
00:30:31,725 --> 00:30:34,005
Speaker 2: other I actually read one. I don't remember exactly who

676
00:30:34,084 --> 00:30:36,925
Speaker 2: the author was. It was about Eisenhower. President Eisenhower, well,

677
00:30:36,925 --> 00:30:40,164
Speaker 2: I think, in hindsight, is probably an underestimated president. He

678
00:30:40,245 --> 00:30:43,644
Speaker 2: wasn't the probably the flashiest and most remembered, but I

679
00:30:43,645 --> 00:30:45,965
Speaker 2: think was a very foundational figure. I mean, the interstate

680
00:30:46,084 --> 00:30:48,164
Speaker 2: highway system in the United States is an example, and

681
00:30:48,205 --> 00:30:49,124
Speaker 2: things of this nature.

682
00:30:49,445 --> 00:30:51,005
Speaker 1: But nowadays I wish I could read more.

683
00:30:51,045 --> 00:30:53,765
Speaker 2: But everything I reader, like memos and decision points and

684
00:30:53,844 --> 00:30:54,405
Speaker 2: letters and.

685
00:30:54,365 --> 00:30:55,205
Speaker 1: Things of this nature.

686
00:30:55,245 --> 00:30:57,045
Speaker 2: I got to get back to that, you know, again

687
00:30:57,084 --> 00:30:58,884
Speaker 2: going back to Charlie Kirk, because we just came from that.

688
00:30:59,045 --> 00:31:00,285
Speaker 1: He was a very big reader.

689
00:31:00,445 --> 00:31:03,165
Speaker 2: He consumed about one hundred books or more a year,

690
00:31:03,285 --> 00:31:05,685
Speaker 2: mostly an audio version because it was hard to and

691
00:31:05,965 --> 00:31:07,884
Speaker 2: I do think people should read more, and I encourage

692
00:31:07,965 --> 00:31:10,205
Speaker 2: him to do so. For a time, I read so

693
00:31:10,285 --> 00:31:11,965
Speaker 2: much I lost my eyesight. As I was telling you

694
00:31:12,005 --> 00:31:13,485
Speaker 2: before it went on the air. Well, I don't know,

695
00:31:13,765 --> 00:31:18,165
Speaker 2: I blame reading for eroding my reading vision.

696
00:31:18,285 --> 00:31:20,765
Speaker 3: So like, well, you look back at the president's in

697
00:31:20,805 --> 00:31:25,645
Speaker 3: American history. I know you love and appreciate President Trump,

698
00:31:25,685 --> 00:31:28,325
Speaker 3: so will exclude him. Who are some of your favorite

699
00:31:28,445 --> 00:31:29,045
Speaker 3: US presidents?

700
00:31:29,084 --> 00:31:30,765
Speaker 2: You know what, We've been blessed as a country. I

701
00:31:30,765 --> 00:31:34,285
Speaker 2: made this observation the other day. I think God has

702
00:31:34,325 --> 00:31:37,205
Speaker 2: bestowed upon us in different times in our history the

703
00:31:37,325 --> 00:31:40,285
Speaker 2: right person for the right time, and so I think

704
00:31:40,285 --> 00:31:42,445
Speaker 2: you can go back and find multiple examples of that.

705
00:31:42,645 --> 00:31:44,925
Speaker 2: I think President Trump is the right person for this time.

706
00:31:45,165 --> 00:31:47,605
Speaker 2: He is achieving things and is doing things as president

707
00:31:47,965 --> 00:31:51,565
Speaker 2: that you wouldn't get in an orthodox type presidency. And

708
00:31:51,965 --> 00:31:54,485
Speaker 2: I think it's to be honest with you, I think

709
00:31:54,485 --> 00:31:56,765
Speaker 2: that he is far and it was very effective in

710
00:31:56,765 --> 00:31:58,884
Speaker 2: his first term when I was in the Senate. And

711
00:31:58,925 --> 00:32:00,844
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it just because I'm part of the administration,

712
00:32:00,885 --> 00:32:04,005
Speaker 2: but this administration, the second Trump term, I think he's

713
00:32:04,045 --> 00:32:07,165
Speaker 2: going to achieve things because he challenges what people think

714
00:32:07,245 --> 00:32:10,005
Speaker 2: is possible. People tell him is impossible, He doesn't accept that,

715
00:32:10,445 --> 00:32:11,965
Speaker 2: and he works through it in a way.

716
00:32:11,765 --> 00:32:13,765
Speaker 3: That almost like a red kat and runt of a bull.

717
00:32:13,805 --> 00:32:16,645
Speaker 2: With absolutely I look back at Reagan right and he

718
00:32:16,685 --> 00:32:18,405
Speaker 2: was the right person for the right time. When Row

719
00:32:18,485 --> 00:32:21,245
Speaker 2: Reagan took office in nineteen eighty, the idea, the notion

720
00:32:21,365 --> 00:32:23,405
Speaker 2: that the Soviet Union would collapse.

721
00:32:23,005 --> 00:32:25,845
Speaker 1: And disappear, people thought was that's just not possible.

722
00:32:25,925 --> 00:32:27,965
Speaker 2: I mean, we have to figure out how to coexist

723
00:32:28,125 --> 00:32:31,325
Speaker 2: and accept it because Soviet Union's not going anywhere. And

724
00:32:31,405 --> 00:32:33,084
Speaker 2: about a year after he'd been out of office, the

725
00:32:33,125 --> 00:32:35,084
Speaker 2: Soviet Union, two years after being out of a silvit

726
00:32:35,125 --> 00:32:37,964
Speaker 2: union was gone. And so I think you go all

727
00:32:37,965 --> 00:32:40,644
Speaker 2: the way back to Lincoln as an example.

728
00:32:40,685 --> 00:32:41,365
Speaker 1: We've raised him.

729
00:32:41,245 --> 00:32:44,485
Speaker 2: Earlier, and he had a combination of his temperament and

730
00:32:44,525 --> 00:32:48,205
Speaker 2: life experience positioned him to lead us through Civil War

731
00:32:48,245 --> 00:32:49,884
Speaker 2: in a way that perhaps some other leader would not

732
00:32:49,925 --> 00:32:51,805
Speaker 2: have been able to do so in that period of time.

733
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Speaker 1: And even in our founding with George Washington.

734
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Speaker 3: Those are all the ones that I chose, well, Washington, Lincoln, Reagan, Trump,

735
00:33:00,445 --> 00:33:02,925
Speaker 3: and I also really liked Teddy where it was about too.

736
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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I don't know as much about Teddy Roosevelt.

737
00:33:05,485 --> 00:33:07,165
Speaker 2: A I wish I know about him, but I don't

738
00:33:07,165 --> 00:33:09,604
Speaker 2: have that. But I even with Washington was so unique

739
00:33:09,604 --> 00:33:12,125
Speaker 2: because you know, a new, brand new country you put

740
00:33:12,165 --> 00:33:14,525
Speaker 2: the wrong person as your first president, and you could

741
00:33:14,525 --> 00:33:16,485
Speaker 2: wind up with somebody who's there for twenty years and

742
00:33:16,485 --> 00:33:18,525
Speaker 2: appoints himself king. In fact, there are people that wanted

743
00:33:18,565 --> 00:33:21,245
Speaker 2: him to be named the king, and he was. Not

744
00:33:21,285 --> 00:33:24,885
Speaker 2: only did he serve, but he did so reluctantly for lack.

745
00:33:24,965 --> 00:33:27,125
Speaker 2: You know, he didn't do it enthusiastically, but he didn't

746
00:33:27,125 --> 00:33:29,045
Speaker 2: want to be president. He didn't fight that war because

747
00:33:29,084 --> 00:33:30,805
Speaker 2: he wanted to be the leader of a country. So

748
00:33:30,925 --> 00:33:32,925
Speaker 2: from our very inception, from the very beginning, I thought,

749
00:33:32,965 --> 00:33:36,245
Speaker 2: we've been very blessed in that regard. And there are others,

750
00:33:36,325 --> 00:33:38,005
Speaker 2: you know, I know, not of my party, but I

751
00:33:38,084 --> 00:33:40,924
Speaker 2: think and perhaps some of the things he did on

752
00:33:40,925 --> 00:33:42,725
Speaker 2: their economy were not things I would have agreed with.

753
00:33:42,805 --> 00:33:45,965
Speaker 2: But I think FDR deserves credit for having guided our

754
00:33:45,965 --> 00:33:49,525
Speaker 2: country through a very delicate time leading into World War Two,

755
00:33:49,725 --> 00:33:50,164
Speaker 2: where there are a.

756
00:33:50,125 --> 00:33:51,685
Speaker 1: Lot of people Up until the eve of.

757
00:33:51,604 --> 00:33:54,124
Speaker 2: Pearl Harbor, he knew what was coming, he knew the

758
00:33:54,165 --> 00:33:56,644
Speaker 2: gathering storm, and he had to prepare our country for

759
00:33:56,725 --> 00:34:00,005
Speaker 2: war while balancing the fact that a large majority of

760
00:34:00,045 --> 00:34:02,245
Speaker 2: Americans had no interest in another European war.

761
00:34:03,125 --> 00:34:06,165
Speaker 3: How would you like to be remembered. What would you

762
00:34:06,365 --> 00:34:08,525
Speaker 3: like to be known for. You mentioned the importance of

763
00:34:08,565 --> 00:34:13,445
Speaker 3: your family, of course, the important positions you've held, but

764
00:34:14,125 --> 00:34:16,125
Speaker 3: what things would sum up your life? Well, I'd like

765
00:34:16,205 --> 00:34:17,205
Speaker 3: people to remember.

766
00:34:16,965 --> 00:34:17,485
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

767
00:34:17,605 --> 00:34:20,525
Speaker 2: I at fifty four, I still don't think too much

768
00:34:20,525 --> 00:34:22,645
Speaker 2: about that yet. I think ultimately there's two ways. How

769
00:34:22,685 --> 00:34:24,765
Speaker 2: I'd like to be remembered professionally as someone who made

770
00:34:24,765 --> 00:34:27,765
Speaker 2: a difference and had an impact and obviously had the

771
00:34:27,805 --> 00:34:30,485
Speaker 2: opportunity to do that in the United States Center representing Florida,

772
00:34:30,485 --> 00:34:33,685
Speaker 2: and now this new opportunity under President Trump, that I

773
00:34:33,845 --> 00:34:36,445
Speaker 2: was effective at the job that I was given and

774
00:34:36,445 --> 00:34:38,085
Speaker 2: that we made an impact, that we made a difference.

775
00:34:38,085 --> 00:34:39,725
Speaker 2: There's really only one reason to do this, and that

776
00:34:39,845 --> 00:34:41,165
Speaker 2: is to be able to make a difference and have

777
00:34:41,205 --> 00:34:43,765
Speaker 2: an impact. I think as a person, I'd like to

778
00:34:43,765 --> 00:34:46,405
Speaker 2: be remembered to someone, you know, who was a good

779
00:34:46,445 --> 00:34:49,565
Speaker 2: husband and a good father, and who tried the best

780
00:34:49,565 --> 00:34:52,125
Speaker 2: he could and perfectly to live out the teachings and

781
00:34:52,125 --> 00:34:54,725
Speaker 2: tenants of his faith and to model that behavior as

782
00:34:54,805 --> 00:34:55,685
Speaker 2: much as anything else.

783
00:34:56,525 --> 00:34:57,925
Speaker 1: And that's an ongoing project. You know.

784
00:34:57,965 --> 00:35:00,605
Speaker 2: That's the one thing about life is you can blow

785
00:35:00,645 --> 00:35:02,965
Speaker 2: it all in one moment. It's a daily reminder of

786
00:35:02,965 --> 00:35:05,605
Speaker 2: how difficult it is to walk on that path. But

787
00:35:06,165 --> 00:35:07,645
Speaker 2: when it's all said and done, I think we were

788
00:35:07,645 --> 00:35:10,485
Speaker 2: all created for a purpose and a reason, and we

789
00:35:10,565 --> 00:35:13,165
Speaker 2: spend if we're blessed, a long time, if we're not blessed,

790
00:35:13,165 --> 00:35:15,404
Speaker 2: the shorter amount of time, trying to figure out why

791
00:35:15,565 --> 00:35:17,685
Speaker 2: was I creator? What was the purpose of my life?

792
00:35:18,005 --> 00:35:19,765
Speaker 2: And then you hope at the end we don't fully

793
00:35:19,845 --> 00:35:22,005
Speaker 2: understand it. It's one of the great mysteries of our faith.

794
00:35:22,205 --> 00:35:23,805
Speaker 2: But in the end, you hope that when you come

795
00:35:23,845 --> 00:35:26,805
Speaker 2: face to face with your creator, you'll say.

796
00:35:26,605 --> 00:35:27,285
Speaker 1: You know, well done.

797
00:35:28,165 --> 00:35:31,205
Speaker 2: You walk the path that I had created you for imperfectly,

798
00:35:31,205 --> 00:35:32,405
Speaker 2: because he knows we're imperfect.

799
00:35:32,605 --> 00:35:34,884
Speaker 3: I think that God has raised you up for this

800
00:35:35,005 --> 00:35:39,165
Speaker 3: moment to do exactly what you're doing. And I would

801
00:35:39,165 --> 00:35:41,765
Speaker 3: like to pray for you if I could right now. Father,

802
00:35:41,845 --> 00:35:45,725
Speaker 3: I want to thank you for Secretary of State Marco Rubio,

803
00:35:45,925 --> 00:35:48,325
Speaker 3: and I thank you for raising him up for such

804
00:35:48,405 --> 00:35:52,725
Speaker 3: a time as this. Continue to give him wisdom and

805
00:35:52,885 --> 00:35:56,165
Speaker 3: direction to do the right thing, say the right thing

806
00:35:56,325 --> 00:35:59,685
Speaker 3: at the right time. Protect him, Lord, watch over him,

807
00:36:00,045 --> 00:36:03,925
Speaker 3: watch over his family, keep his health strong in me,

808
00:36:04,045 --> 00:36:06,565
Speaker 3: he stay very close to you. You and we're so

809
00:36:06,725 --> 00:36:09,725
Speaker 3: thankful for the way you're using him and will continue

810
00:36:09,765 --> 00:36:13,125
Speaker 3: to use him in the days ahead. Bless this administration,

811
00:36:13,365 --> 00:36:17,885
Speaker 3: blessed President Trump, and bless the United States of America.

812
00:36:18,205 --> 00:36:21,565
Speaker 3: And we ask this in Jesus' name. Amen, Thank you again,

813
00:36:21,965 --> 00:36:26,045
Speaker 3: Thanks high pleasure. You know, I've had the opportunity to

814
00:36:26,125 --> 00:36:29,165
Speaker 3: interview some pretty amazing people over the years, from rock

815
00:36:29,245 --> 00:36:36,525
Speaker 3: stars to movie stars, to pastors to politicians, and these

816
00:36:36,565 --> 00:36:40,085
Speaker 3: are people that influence others. And in my interview that

817
00:36:40,205 --> 00:36:43,205
Speaker 3: I just did with Secretary of State Marco Rubio, we

818
00:36:43,285 --> 00:36:47,845
Speaker 3: talked about presidents. He works directly under President Trump. We

819
00:36:47,965 --> 00:36:53,565
Speaker 3: talked about other presidents that impacted our nation and profound ways,

820
00:36:53,605 --> 00:37:00,245
Speaker 3: from George Washington to Theodore Roosevelt to Ronald Reagan to

821
00:37:00,645 --> 00:37:04,845
Speaker 3: Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln was the sixteenth president of the

822
00:37:04,965 --> 00:37:09,364
Speaker 3: United States dates of America. Why was Lincoln the great president? Well,

823
00:37:09,765 --> 00:37:14,645
Speaker 3: he had the most humble origins imaginable literally born in

824
00:37:14,685 --> 00:37:18,605
Speaker 3: a log cabin, he received little to no education, but

825
00:37:18,725 --> 00:37:22,685
Speaker 3: he was a voracious student and loved to read and learn.

826
00:37:23,205 --> 00:37:27,925
Speaker 3: And of course he unified the United States. America was

827
00:37:27,965 --> 00:37:32,325
Speaker 3: falling apart, and so he unified our nation. Then he

828
00:37:32,765 --> 00:37:38,285
Speaker 3: freed the slaves, and most significantly, President Lincoln paid the

829
00:37:38,365 --> 00:37:43,165
Speaker 3: ultimate price. He was assassinated in the Ford Theater at

830
00:37:43,165 --> 00:37:47,205
Speaker 3: the conclusion of the Civil War. But his words still

831
00:37:47,285 --> 00:37:51,045
Speaker 3: impact us today. And one of the things that motivated

832
00:37:51,245 --> 00:37:55,405
Speaker 3: President Abraham Lincoln was his faith in God, his belief

833
00:37:55,845 --> 00:38:00,405
Speaker 3: in the Bible, his trust in Christ, as we have

834
00:38:00,565 --> 00:38:05,365
Speaker 3: seen in our interview with Secretary of State Marco Rubio,

835
00:38:05,845 --> 00:38:09,005
Speaker 3: as we also saw in my interview with Speaker of

836
00:38:09,045 --> 00:38:12,645
Speaker 3: the House Mike Johnson and so many others in Washington

837
00:38:12,725 --> 00:38:16,605
Speaker 3: today who are speaking openly about their faith. I love

838
00:38:16,685 --> 00:38:22,045
Speaker 3: how Secretary of State Marco Rubio said that, yes, there

839
00:38:22,125 --> 00:38:25,365
Speaker 3: is a price to pay for being a Christian, but

840
00:38:25,525 --> 00:38:29,805
Speaker 3: it's a price well worth pain to stand up for Christ.

841
00:38:29,965 --> 00:38:33,685
Speaker 3: And I'm thankful for men of God in elected office.

842
00:38:33,725 --> 00:38:37,245
Speaker 3: You know, the Bible says when the righteous rule, the

843
00:38:37,285 --> 00:38:41,085
Speaker 3: people rejoice, and we should all remember this when it

844
00:38:41,125 --> 00:38:45,205
Speaker 3: comes time to vote. Find candidates that are godly, find

845
00:38:45,285 --> 00:38:51,565
Speaker 3: candidates that hold to biblical values and have a biblical worldview,

846
00:38:51,725 --> 00:38:54,525
Speaker 3: and everything will be better in our nation. Oh it

847
00:38:54,565 --> 00:38:58,085
Speaker 3: won't be perfect, it never is, but it can be

848
00:38:58,125 --> 00:39:01,965
Speaker 3: a lot better than when people are godless and are

849
00:39:02,005 --> 00:39:05,845
Speaker 3: going contrary to what the Word of God says. Many

850
00:39:06,245 --> 00:39:09,725
Speaker 3: are today doing on the far left. So I thank

851
00:39:09,765 --> 00:39:13,285
Speaker 3: God that the Lord has placed Marco Rubio in this

852
00:39:13,445 --> 00:39:17,685
Speaker 3: place of influence as their Secretary of State, and it

853
00:39:17,805 --> 00:39:21,085
Speaker 3: was a real honor to talk to him today