1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 2: Hi from the Salvation Army. You're listening to Words of Life. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 3: The words words, These are the words of the Life. 4 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 4: Hey, welcome back to Words of Life. I pray that 5 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 4: our Bible Study roundtable series was a blessing to you 6 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 4: throughout the Christmas season. But today we're starting a new 7 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 4: series focused on writing. Each week we'll be joined by 8 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 4: a writer or writers of various forms and disciplines, and 9 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 4: we're going to be asking them why the craft of 10 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 4: writing is still so powerful in the Kingdom of God today. 11 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 4: To help me have these conversations, I'll be joined by 12 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 4: the Territorial Publications Editor Kristina Mudge. So to kick off 13 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 4: the series, I want you our listeners to get to 14 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 4: know first. Throughout this series, we'll have links to several 15 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 4: resources and books mentioned in the show notes. Hey, you're 16 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 4: listening to the Salvation Armies. 17 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: Words of Life. 18 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 4: We're going to take a quick ad break and we'll 19 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 4: be right back. Welcome back to Words of Life. We 20 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 4: really hope that this previous Bible Study panel series has 21 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 4: just really encouraged you to make this year a year 22 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 4: that you dive even deeper into the Word of God 23 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 4: than ever before. We wanted to have a series talking 24 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 4: with writers of various kinds and people involved with distributing 25 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 4: and publishing new Christian books through the Salvation Army, and 26 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 4: to help us have those conversations. We're now being joined 27 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 4: by my friend Kristin Mudge. Hello, and first, before we 28 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 4: dive into anything deeper, just tell us what you do 29 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 4: with the Salvation Army right now. 30 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: Sure. 31 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 5: I am the Southern Territorial Publications Editor, So most of 32 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 5: my job is The Southern Spirit, which is our monthly periodical. 33 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 5: It's basically a newspaper where we talk about what's going 34 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 5: on around the Southern Territory. We provide resources and program ideas, 35 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 5: we tell testimonies, and we put devotional thoughts and all 36 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 5: sorts of articles out there. 37 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: It's a great monthly resource. You should definitely check it out. 38 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 5: I'm also part of our Literary Council, which is in 39 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 5: charge of determining books that we're putting out throughout the year. 40 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 5: We usually try to put out two books a year, 41 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 5: so I'm a part of that process as well, and 42 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 5: in general just encouraging writers and anybody who is interested 43 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 5: in being a part of writing for the Salvation Army. 44 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 4: So what about your background? Your education, your experience, your 45 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 4: passion led you to this position. 46 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: Oh, it's all God. 47 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 5: I never imagined that I could be doing what I'm 48 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 5: doing today. It is my dream job that I never 49 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 5: knew existed. I studied media communications with an emphasis in 50 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 5: film studies at Asber University. I actually ended up leaning 51 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 5: really heavily into creative writing. As a part of that, 52 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 5: I did film scripts and two minute movies and things 53 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 5: like that. 54 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: That was a lot of what I did in. 55 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 5: School, and I never noticed that it was leaning towards 56 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 5: writing until looking back, of course, I can see it. 57 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 5: Shortly after graduating, I got a job doing live television 58 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 5: production in a small town in Texas and I did 59 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 5: that for almost a year, and a lot of that 60 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 5: was learning how to write for a different audience, for 61 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 5: a live audience, which was a shift from my background 62 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 5: of more creative writing. So that was a really cool 63 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 5: way to introduce me to different types of writing that 64 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 5: I'm doing a lot more of now today. And then 65 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 5: from there I started working for the Salvation Army in Texas. 66 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 5: I worked in the youth department doing curriculum and graphic design, 67 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 5: and then I transferred to the women's department, where I 68 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 5: did the same. I did curriculum and graphic design, and 69 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 5: throughout it all, I always noticed that people would come 70 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 5: to me to edit their work, to look over their 71 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 5: briefs and anything they were putting out in writing. And 72 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 5: it's just always been something that I've done naturally, but 73 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 5: never realized that it was something I could do as 74 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 5: a career. And then God led me here and it's 75 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 5: been absolutely incredible. I love every minute of it. 76 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 4: I think that's such a good lesson to any college 77 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 4: students or even anyone just like starting to think about 78 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 4: college is you might have your dream job in mind, 79 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 4: but the actual calling in the way God is going 80 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 4: to use your gifts in line with some type of 81 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 4: career you may not even know exists yet, and it 82 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 4: may take various shapes. And that's very similar to my background. 83 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 4: I've just always been in some type of creative space 84 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 4: related to media in some way. I think it's just 85 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 4: a good lesson to just be open to where the 86 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 4: Spirit's leading be open minded to. But yeah, the Salvation 87 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 4: Arm is very lucky and blessed to have you, so 88 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 4: I'm glad you ended up here. 89 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 5: I'm blessed to be able to do ministry and everything 90 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 5: I do every day. 91 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 4: So we are going to have some conversations during the 92 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 4: series with people who've recently published a book, people that 93 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 4: have had many books in the past as well. We're 94 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 4: going to start off the series with someone who was 95 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 4: going to have a conversation about journaling, and I just 96 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 4: want to kind of chat with you because I know 97 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 4: this is a passion of yours as well. What has 98 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 4: journaling meant for you? What has it done to your spirit? 99 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 4: And like, how would you just talk about that act 100 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 4: for someone who's maybe never done this. 101 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 5: So journaling for me, I was trying to think when 102 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 5: I started journaling, and I think my first journal that 103 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 5: I remember getting and I loved it. 104 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: It was beautiful, it was gorgeous, that it was everything 105 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: I wanted. 106 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 5: I think I was seven or eight, and it was 107 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 5: so precious that I almost didn't want to write in it. 108 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: It was just so beautiful. 109 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 5: But I used journaling as a way to just put 110 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 5: all my thoughts on paper, because if you're like me, 111 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 5: my brain gets so scrambled. There are so many things 112 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 5: happening all at once that I just can't even start 113 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 5: to process. So the act of putting pen to paper 114 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 5: and just putting into words what's going on inside my 115 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 5: head was my way to start processing the world around me. 116 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 5: And I found very naturally that that lent itself to 117 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 5: conversation with God. So it wasn't just my thoughts to 118 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 5: paper that it quickly turned into me talking to God 119 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 5: about what was going on inside my head. One of 120 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,679 Speaker 5: my favorite journals, I don't have it here with me today, 121 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 5: but one of my favorite journals I have is really special. 122 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 5: I got two different color pens, and I decided to 123 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 5: try writing my prayers and then waiting and listening for 124 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 5: any responses and writing those responses and another color pen. 125 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:45,119 Speaker 5: So now I can go back and see actual conversations 126 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 5: I had with God and his words in response to me. 127 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: And it's such. 128 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 5: A blessing to be able to go back and read 129 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 5: God's words in that way. We can read the Bible 130 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 5: and hear his words, but that's from somebody else's voice. 131 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 5: These are are God's words specifically for me, and it's 132 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 5: just been so cool, such a blessing. 133 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 4: We pray that you're enjoying and being blessed by this conversation. 134 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 4: We're going to take one more ad break and we'll 135 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 4: be right back. I think too, and I know we're 136 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 4: going to bring this up later in the series too, 137 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 4: But the act of handwriting as you're journaling, forces you 138 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 4: to slow down. I'm not the fastest typer in the world, 139 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 4: but I'm pretty fast, and so I kind of get 140 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 4: frustrated because I'm used to typing and I can type 141 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 4: almost as fast as I can think. But then when 142 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 4: you're handwriting, you have to slow down your thoughts that 143 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 4: you have to like wait for your hand to catch up. 144 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 4: And I think there's something to that that you have 145 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 4: to slow down. And when you're slowing down, you're being 146 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 4: more intentional about what am I actually feeling, And therefore 147 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 4: you're already kind of set up to slow down and 148 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 4: wait to hear from God. Can you talk about some 149 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 4: of the journals that you have brought in sort of 150 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 4: what they've meant in your walk? 151 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: Sure? 152 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 5: So I have three with me today. I have many 153 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 5: many more at home in boxes. I haven't quite unpacked everything. 154 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 5: I've been here for three years, but I haven't unpacked 155 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 5: everything yet. I have these ones. In particular, I have 156 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 5: one that is just processing difficult things that have happened 157 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 5: in the past couple of years, not any sort of specifics, 158 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 5: but just the thoughts that I needed to get to paper. 159 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 5: I have another one that I bought when I found 160 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 5: out I was pregnant, and it's special. Anytime I find 161 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 5: I have something I want my son to know someday, 162 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 5: or special things that I've noticed, or just anything that 163 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 5: I want him to be able to see someday. I've 164 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 5: been writing in that for him and that's really special. 165 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 5: And then I have an other little one that is 166 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 5: very specific. 167 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: To after my mom passed away. 168 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 5: This was where I processed my grief, so it's a 169 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 5: very special one too. 170 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: I have more at home. 171 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 5: Like I said, I have the conversation one that was 172 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 5: mainly in my teenage years. I have this special one 173 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 5: from when I was seven or eight that is still 174 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 5: just so beautiful, and then several several others. But everyone 175 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 5: is either for a purpose or it's from a special time. 176 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 5: And I would say that if you don't have a journal, 177 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,359 Speaker 5: or if you don't feel comfortable necessarily with your handwriting 178 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 5: you for some reason, some people struggle with that, and 179 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 5: that's okay, you should definitely type because for some people 180 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 5: that's the way that they process things. 181 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: And I also have a document that. 182 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 5: I have entitled practice and it has over ten thousand 183 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 5: words of me just processing things in that way too. 184 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 5: So there are many many different ways to journal. There 185 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 5: are many different reasons to journal. But if it's something 186 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 5: that you feel like it could be helpful for you, 187 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 5: either in processing what's going on in your head, or 188 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 5: having a record of things that you want to look 189 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 5: back on, or maybe a special way to start talking 190 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 5: to God, I would suggest you just try it. 191 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,599 Speaker 4: The one that you're writing that you're someday going to 192 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 4: hand to your son. I got someone into journaling recently 193 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 4: that anyone who knows him would have never thought that 194 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 4: he would have been into this. But my dad, who's 195 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 4: seventy two, kind of just grumpy New Yorker, and I, 196 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 4: you know, as far as his own emotions and how 197 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 4: he's processed some very traumatic things in his life, I 198 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 4: don't know, because he just doesn't open up like that. 199 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 4: And for Father's Day last year, he is getting older, 200 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 4: and I don't mean that to you know, I'm not 201 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 4: already sending him on his way, but you know, while 202 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 4: he's still sharp and with it, there was a lot 203 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 4: of questions that I had, and so I bought him 204 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 4: this book for Father's Day that he just kind of 205 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 4: has to fill in things. There's just like specific questions 206 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 4: like you know, how did you feel when you found 207 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 4: out that you were going to become a dad and 208 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 4: all of this. And I didn't know how he would react, 209 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 4: And my mom has told me that she finds him 210 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 4: like every morning like writing in this thing. I have 211 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 4: like no idea what's in there. But through offering someone 212 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 4: the opportunity to start journaling, I feel like I'm going 213 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 4: to see another side of him that I've never known. 214 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: I can say from my experience. 215 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 5: My mom passed away six years ago now, and she 216 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:45,479 Speaker 5: was a big journaler. So it has been an incredible 217 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 5: blessing to be able to go back and see the 218 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 5: way that she processed things and messages that she left 219 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 5: for each of us. And it's that's the main reason 220 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 5: I wanted to go out and buy a journal when 221 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 5: I found out that I was pregnant, because I want 222 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 5: to have that for my son as well. 223 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: It's because it's been such a gift. 224 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: The Salvation Army's mission doing the most good means helping 225 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: people with material and spiritual needs. You become a part 226 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: of this mission every time you give to the Salvation Army. 227 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 2: Visit Salvation Army USA dot org to offer your support. 228 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: You can subscribe to Words of Life on your favorite 229 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: podcast store or visit Salvation armiesoundcast dot org. 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