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Speaker 1: It's time to consider our end game in Iran. I'm

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Speaker 1: not just speaking of the date for getting out. I'm

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Speaker 1: also speaking of the objective that we sought to accomplish

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Speaker 1: Has that objective been achieved, and if so, is it

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Speaker 1: time to call it quits? In Iran? It's a complex

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Speaker 1: question because there are two separate objectives, which supply two

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Speaker 1: different answers to the question. The first objective is regime change.

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Speaker 1: Get rid of the Mala's free Iran. The second objective

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Speaker 1: is immobilize and degrade Iran's fighting capability, take Iran out

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Speaker 1: of the nuke's business, wipe out Iran's military resources, shut

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Speaker 1: down the military and terrorist infrastructure of the Mullahs. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to argue that while Objective one is desirable,

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Speaker 1: I support it, it's not why we got in, and

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Speaker 1: it's not worth the risk and the cost. Objective two,

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Speaker 1: by contrast, is why we got involved. It has been

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Speaker 1: largely achieved. It shouldn't take too long to finish the job.

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Speaker 1: It's time to consider a date for a triumphant exit.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I recognize that many in the US military, both leaders

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Speaker 1: and navy and Air force personnel might not share my view.

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Speaker 1: They're having too much fun in Iran. I know it's

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Speaker 1: a weird thing to say, but it's true. I'm reminded

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Speaker 1: of when Trump sat the heg said, hey, why do

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Speaker 1: we have to blow up the Iranian ships? It seems

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Speaker 1: like a huge waste. Why don't we just capture them instead?

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Speaker 1: And he set said, well, it's more fun to blow

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Speaker 3: Well, lying at the bottom of the ocean, forty six ships,

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Speaker 3: can you believe it? In fact, I get a little

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Speaker 3: upset with our people. I said, what quality of ship?

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Speaker 3: Excellencer top of the line. I said, why don't we

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Speaker 3: just capture the ship? We're going to use it. Why

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Speaker 3: did we sink them? They said it's more fun to

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Speaker 3: sink them. They like sinking the better. They say, it's

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Speaker 3: safer to sink him. I guess it's probably true.

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Speaker 1: So there will be people in high places who want

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Speaker 1: the fun to continue. We make these big, beautiful bombs,

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Speaker 1: it seems like a waste to just keep them in storage.

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Speaker 1: Why not use them every now and then? And what

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Speaker 1: better target than a meeting place for the mullahs or

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Speaker 1: terrorist command center. Push some buttons kaboom, a huge flash

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Speaker 1: of light silence. The Mullahs and the terrorists have achieved

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Speaker 1: the martyrdom they keenly desire. They wanted it, and we

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Speaker 1: supplied it, Thank you very much. We often forget that

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Speaker 1: a big motive for people going into the military is

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Speaker 1: that they love to fight, same reason people sign up

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Speaker 1: to become cops. These are the kids who like being

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Speaker 1: the tough guys. Sure they're doing it for patriotism and

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Speaker 1: for scholarships, but there are other ways to be patriotic,

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Speaker 1: and there are other ways to get scholarships. The unspoken

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Speaker 1: bonus of becoming an air force or Navy pilot is

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Speaker 1: that you get to drop hefty bombs and see things

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Speaker 1: go boom. Now it's worth noting that the US is

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Speaker 1: decisively winning in Iran. You might not realize this if

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Speaker 1: you read the anti war propaganda of the left and

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Speaker 1: the right. According to that propaganda, which always makes me chuckle,

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Speaker 1: Uran is always on the verge of striking back. See

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Speaker 1: they got a missile through to Jerusalem, even though it

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Speaker 1: hardly did any damage. See they can even reach Diego,

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Speaker 1: Garcia even if it got intercepted. But just wait, they've

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Speaker 1: got some big maneuvers up their sleeve. This kind of

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Speaker 1: reminds me of that Maddy Python skit oo.

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Speaker 4: Now stand aside, worthy adversary, tis but a scratch, a

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Speaker 4: scratch the arms off?

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Speaker 5: There? It isn't.

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Speaker 4: But what's that? Then? You come on, you pansy. Victory

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Speaker 4: is mine, We thank the Lord.

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Speaker 5: Come on? Then what haw at you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You're indeed brave tonight, but the fight is mine.

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Speaker 4: Oh look, yes, stupid, you've got the arms left, Yes,

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Speaker 4: I have, Look just a flesh wound. Look stop that chicken, chicken. Look,

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Speaker 4: I'll have your leg right right, I'll do you for that.

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Speaker 1: You know, what can you?

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Speaker 4: What are you gonna do?

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Speaker 5: Bleed on me?

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Speaker 4: I'm even to them all.

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Speaker 2: You're a looney.

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Speaker 4: The Black Knight always trumps haurt. You come on then,

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Speaker 4: all right, we're calling a drawer. Come Patsy.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, why yellow come back?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: By your legs off?

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Speaker 1: No, Iran is not winning the war. This big rich

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Speaker 1: one's powerful nation has been crippled. Military in Israel's military

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Speaker 1: have delivered. We're the good guys in this fight and

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Speaker 1: we're winning. Sometimes we have to admit the truth about ourselves,

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Speaker 1: no matter how pleasant it is. Now if we're winning,

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Speaker 1: it's tempting to keep going. The reason to keep going,

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Speaker 1: even to escalate, is to get rid of the Mullas. This,

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Speaker 1: I admit would be great. Can you imagine a peaceful, prosperous,

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Speaker 1: pro American Iran. It would not merely change the map

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Speaker 1: of power. It would be a victory as big as

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Speaker 1: America's victory in the Cold War. But wait, you say,

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Speaker 1: how do we know what would come afterward? What would

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Speaker 1: replace the Mullahs. Well, my point is it doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 1: It might be a monarchy or a constitutional monarchy of

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Speaker 1: the type Iran had before with the Shy. It might

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Speaker 1: be a parliamentary system. It might be something that resembles

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Speaker 1: the relatively benign authoritarianism of the Gulf kingdoms. But can

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Speaker 1: anyone doubt that what followed would be better than what's

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Speaker 1: there now? In politics, we rarely get an outcome that

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Speaker 1: is ideal. Most of the time we have to settle

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Speaker 1: for making things better. A success, in other words, means improvement,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean utopia. Even in the Cold War we

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Speaker 1: authoritarianism and gangster capitalism. Not ideal, but certainly better than

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Speaker 1: what we were dealing with before. So what are the

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Speaker 1: risks of escalating in Iran with the goal of regime change. Well, first,

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Speaker 1: there's the risk of US military casualties. This is a

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Speaker 1: we endured in Afghanistan and Iran over so many years. Second,

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Speaker 1: there are the risks of occupation. Remember colon power and

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Speaker 1: Condoleeza Rice. If we break it, we own it, idiots. Yet,

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Speaker 1: the problem is a real one. Once we run the

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Speaker 1: Malas out, what happens next? The problem in Iran is

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Speaker 1: in this respect the same as the problem in Afghanistan

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Speaker 1: guys run everything in Iran. They have had almost fifty

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Speaker 1: years to consolidate control. The Malas and their apparatics control

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Speaker 1: every school, every media outlet, every local council, every institution.

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Speaker 1: How do we root them out? We're not going to.

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Speaker 1: We can't. This is a recipe for quagmire. Am I

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Speaker 1: saying then that we cannot have a free Iran? No,

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Speaker 1: we actually can, but the Iranian people are going to

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Speaker 1: the Iranian people are scared. Tens of thousands of them

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Speaker 1: If I were Mark Rubio, I'd encourage the Persian community

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Speaker 1: in America and worldwide to fund one million rifles to

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Speaker 1: equip the Iranians to confront their oppressors. How to get

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Speaker 1: those weapons into the country, I don't know, but I'm

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Speaker 1: sure we can figure it out. This would certainly level

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Speaker 1: the playing field between the murderous regime and it's now

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Speaker 1: helpless victims. But even so, the Iranian people there might

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Speaker 1: not be ready to do it. They might not be

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Speaker 1: have to recognize that our intervention on behalf of their

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Speaker 1: freedom has its limits. The US and Israel have created

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Speaker 1: the condition for an Iranian counter revolution. If the Iranians

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I realize, of course, that Israel might want to go

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Speaker 1: send ground troops. It would be supremely impressive to see

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Speaker 1: of ninety million. David versus Goliath. Goliath remains formidable. Iran

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Speaker 1: the Strait of Hormuz, But I'm still betting on David.

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Speaker 1: I interviewed Netan Yahu for my last film, The Dragon's Prophecy,

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Speaker 1: and he told me that after October seventh, he knew

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Speaker 2: I said and promised that we would change the Middle East,

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Speaker 2: and effectively that's what we have been doing and are

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Speaker 2: doing right now, changing the Middle East, ridding it of

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Speaker 2: the Iran Axis, ridding it of Iran's proxies, but also

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Speaker 2: ridding it of Iran's threat to annihilate Israel and threaten

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Speaker 1: Iran was the leading planner of October seven. That was

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Speaker 1: Israel's Pearl Harbor. Israel has every justification to strike back,

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Speaker 1: my answer would be good luck, man, more power to you.

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Speaker 1: My point is that we have reached the juncture at

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Speaker 1: which US and Israeli interests diverge. This, by the way,

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Speaker 1: is quite normal in international relations. US and British interests

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Speaker 1: In World War Two we told the Brits, we wish

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Speaker 1: you well, but it's not our fight yet. Britain's interests

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Speaker 1: in ours Visavi the Nazis were not the same, and

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Speaker 1: now we've reached a comparable situation. Our objectives in Iran

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Speaker 1: might be achieved while Israel's are not, and so we

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Speaker 1: must tell Israel we wish you well, but it's not

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Speaker 1: our fight anymore. For Trump to convey this to net

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Speaker 1: podcast pundits on the right who say Trump is controlled

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Speaker 1: by Netan Yahoo. Now, this is both insulting to Trump

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Speaker 1: and kind of absurd. It was never true. But for

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Speaker 1: Trump and Netan Yahoo to go their own ways would

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Speaker 1: absolutely prove the point. Look, Tucker, look Meghan. We're doing

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Speaker 1: what's good for us, and they're doing what's good for them. Kapiche.

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Speaker 1: The goal of getting rid of the Mullas, while desirable,

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Speaker 1: was never the stated motive for US action. The goal,

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Speaker 1: which Trump and Hexeth and Rubio expressed was to paralyze

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Speaker 1: and so it's appropriate to plot out our endgame. I'm

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Speaker 1: we should plan to get out soon.

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Speaker 6: Why.

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Speaker 1: Well, we've got some mid terms coming up, and midterms

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Speaker 1: are one on the issues of peace and prosperity. It

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Speaker 1: would be nice to see gas prices come back down.

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Speaker 1: its domestic agenda. Ramp up deportations, prosecute the Democrats who

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Speaker 1: abuse their power during the Biden years. That's long overdue.

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Speaker 1: We're on the verge of a revolution in robotics and AI.

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Speaker 1: I recognize that these things give some people the hebigbs,

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Speaker 1: but deployed well, they can help make America great again.

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Speaker 1: Imagine hundreds of thousands of new homes largely built by

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Speaker 5: That's you just summed it up very well. Islam teaches

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Speaker 5: It's military warfare for sure, but it's espionage, counterintelligence, subversion, deception, operations, propaganda,

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Speaker 5: give the impression that there is some organized moderating effort

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Speaker 5: in the Muslim community against these radical Iranians. This is garbage.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is this is a show for our sake,

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Speaker 5: and we know this because these countries work together to

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Speaker 5: advance Shariah and to advance Islam. Arabia has since the

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Speaker 5: i mean you could go back to the sixties through today,

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Speaker 5: been one of the largest funders of the global jihad,

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Speaker 5: the advancement of the Islamic movement and in support of

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Speaker 5: terrorist operations, including direct support from the Saudi government for

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Speaker 5: the nine to eleven operations you look at. Cutter currently

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Speaker 5: has taken over that role and I think done a

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Speaker 5: much more effective job nefariously, of course, than Saudi Arabia

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Speaker 5: in undermining Europe and the United States with their subversive

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Speaker 5: operations and their overt support for terrasts. And we see that,

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Speaker 5: you know, Egypt and UAE are aligned with Saudi Arabia

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Speaker 5: and other nations aligned with Cutter. Iran for years has

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Speaker 5: worked directly with Cutter. When Muslim organizations, be they military,

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Speaker 5: jihadi organizations, Islamic movement organizations like Muslim Brotherhood or Dio

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Speaker 5: Bondi organizations or Tableiki Jamad Jamadi Islami or nation states,

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Speaker 5: when they are in conflict with one another, we need

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Speaker 5: to understand that the conflict is always about matters of

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Speaker 5: power and or Shariah. That's it. So of course these

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Speaker 5: nations want to be top dog, but we have to

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Speaker 5: not look at what they say, but look at what

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Speaker 5: their history is and what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: DeBie and I know this guy who drives us to

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Speaker 1: the airport, and since we travel a lot, we've gotten

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Speaker 1: to know him on many many trips back and forth

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Speaker 1: to the airport, a Muslim guy and Muslim family originally

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Speaker 1: from Senegal. And I'm just trying to envision him listening

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Speaker 1: to our conversation because the guy is quite devout. He

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Speaker 1: in fact recently made his first Hodge trip to Mecca.

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Speaker 1: He described to us what I thought. Maybe I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have been amused, But there's this practice that they have

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Speaker 1: where they all go to a wall and they throw

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Speaker 1: stones at the wall. And I'm like, why are you

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Speaker 1: throwing stones at the wall? And he goes, no, that's

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Speaker 1: the ceremony of the stoning of Satan. So he's a

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Speaker 1: guy who's, you know, finally put the money together to

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Speaker 1: be able to pull this off. He seems very earnest

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Speaker 1: in his desire to be in conformity with Islam, and

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Speaker 1: yet he seems like a guy trying to kind of

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Speaker 1: hustle his way and make good in America. I don't

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Speaker 1: see him as in any way sympathizing with some sort

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Speaker 1: of takeover of neighborhoods, take over of communities. And yet

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Speaker 1: I do probably agree that if you were to ask him,

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Speaker 1: in a generic sense, do you think that be good

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Speaker 1: for the whole world to be Muslim? He would probably

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Speaker 1: say yes. How would you sort of psychologically analyze a

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Speaker 1: case like this? Is this a guy who is like

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Speaker 1: not alert to what Islam truly is or is this

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Speaker 1: a guy who? I mean, is this a guy to

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Speaker 1: be feared?

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Speaker 5: So this is a great question. I love this question.

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Speaker 5: I actually get this a fair amount other versions of

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Speaker 5: the question, as people will say, well, my friend fill

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Speaker 5: in the blank name is a Muslim, and they say this,

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Speaker 5: well interestingly, when they ask, you know, how should I

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Speaker 5: approach this? And I give them a few questions to ask,

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Speaker 5: you know, they come back horrified to realize their friend

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Speaker 5: actually is ideologically aligned with all KaiA and the Muslim

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Speaker 5: brother because that's what Islam teaches. And so that's the

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Speaker 5: first thing. And I'll just say that as a general comment.

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Speaker 5: But I've two pieces i'd like to discuss. First, visual

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Speaker 5: Muslims and their understanding of Islam or their practice of

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Speaker 5: normative and mainstream Islamic doctrine doesn't constitute a different version

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Speaker 5: of Islam if they're out of the bounds. Islam is

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Speaker 5: what Islam is. Islam is very easy to understand. And

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Speaker 5: again I tell people, if you just read Islamic law,

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Speaker 5: you know, people are like, should I read the Koran

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Speaker 5: or study the Hideth. I'm like, Islamic scholars have already

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Speaker 5: done that. Just read Islamic law and read textbooks used

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Speaker 5: to teach Muslim children about Islam, and it's very clear,

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Speaker 5: very clear. The purpose of Islam is to wage jihad

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Speaker 5: to establish Sharia on earth. That's it. It's just not

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Speaker 5: that complicated. The governmental system is easy to understand. Islam,

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Speaker 5: as you mentioned earlier, is one conglomerate. Its military, social, political, religious, cultural,

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Speaker 5: all wrapped up into one. It's a totalitarian system governed

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Speaker 5: by real law. So whether a Muslim does or does

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Speaker 5: not adhere to Islam and all of its tenants doesn't

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Speaker 5: change what Islam is. That's the first part. The second

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Speaker 5: part is over the years, I have had a lot

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Speaker 5: of experience engaging Muslims in these conversations. When I worked

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Speaker 5: at the Department of Defense and would take taxi cab

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Speaker 5: rides from our office in northern Virginia to Capitol Hill

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Speaker 5: or to offices in DC to do the work that

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Speaker 5: we were doing. My experience was one hundred percent of

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Speaker 5: the cab drivers were Muslim, which I find interesting. It's

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Speaker 5: a data point. But I would engage them, and I

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Speaker 5: acted as if I had no idea about Islam and

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Speaker 5: would ask a few simple questions, and in the end,

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Speaker 5: one percent of those people driving were very polite, very nice,

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Speaker 5: but they all understood what Islam's purpose was and they

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Speaker 5: were all supportive of it. That's just one guys, but

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Speaker 5: that's arguably over the years I did that, you know,

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Speaker 5: close to one hundred different cab rides. And that was

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Speaker 5: my experience. And I've talked to a lot of people

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Speaker 5: who I've trained over the years who do the same

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Speaker 5: thing with Uber drivers and taxicab drivers that are Muslim,

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Speaker 5: and they get the same response. And so my experiences

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Speaker 5: and I pulled this book out and I wanted to

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Speaker 5: read because I thought it might come into play, and

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Speaker 5: it does. In an answer to your question, Now, this

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Speaker 5: is a book called the Methodology of Dhalwa. Now you

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Speaker 5: can tell my copy is beat up because it's old,

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Speaker 5: But this is a book that was published in nineteen

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Speaker 5: eighty nine by the Muslim Brotherhood by a guy who's

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Speaker 5: Shamim Sidiki is a Muslim brother in New York. But again,

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Speaker 5: what is it that the Muslim Brotherhood seeks to do.

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Speaker 5: They seek to impose a las law on the land,

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Speaker 5: which is what Islam seeks to do. But when they

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Speaker 5: talk about bringing non Muslims into Islam, this is what

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Speaker 5: they say. Some rituals of religion and tradition of the

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Speaker 5: Muslim community are explained. A short account of the prophet's

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Speaker 5: life is presented without the revolutionary aspect. When Islam is

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Speaker 5: acceptable to the new entrants, in this concocted or abbreviated form,

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Speaker 5: the ceremony of shahdas performed with great reverence. A non

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Speaker 5: Muslim thus become a Muslim obedient to a law alone.

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Speaker 5: The revolutionary aspect of Islam is rarely brought before the

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Speaker 5: new conference, as in most cases the Dai himself is

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Speaker 5: not conversant with it, meaning the Muslim, the Dai who's

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Speaker 5: done the dhahwa to bring the non Muslim to Islam,

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Speaker 5: isn't conversant with it. Now, I want you to think

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Speaker 5: about that. So when you understand that in the Muslim

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Speaker 5: community they bring people into Islam, just like Muhammad did

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Speaker 5: with the first generation, there's no jihad, then there's jihad

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Speaker 5: for what they call defensive purposes, and then there's limited

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Speaker 5: offensive jihad, and then finally there's the jihad that must

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Speaker 5: be performed until the entire world submits to Islam. And

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Speaker 5: so Muslims themselves are broad law and some may not

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Speaker 5: fully understand and don't understand the full purpose of Islam,

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Speaker 5: but where we are today they are very overt about it.

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Speaker 5: That's why they are more the leaders of the Islamic

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Speaker 5: community overt that jihad and calling people, specifically in certain

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Speaker 5: parts of the country like Texas, which is the primary

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Speaker 5: target right now, calling them to the jihad, explaining to

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Speaker 5: the Anon Muslim community that of course you must submit

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Speaker 5: to Islam and Islam will dominate. They are overt about

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Speaker 5: it now because they feel like victory is at hand,

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Speaker 5: so they don't they don't have to withhold and necessarily

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Speaker 5: be as deceptive as they have been up until now.

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Speaker 5: But all of this to answer that question, there are

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Speaker 5: a whole there's a lot at play here, and deception

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Speaker 5: again is at the core of Islam, and they will

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Speaker 5: pretend to be friendly right up until the point they're not.

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Speaker 5: And if anyone listening is or viewing this is unclear,

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Speaker 5: you should talk to some Hindus in India and ask

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Speaker 5: them about the Muslims who were their neighbors and friends

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Speaker 5: and who their children played together, and they had dinner

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Speaker 5: over at each other's homes right up until the point

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Speaker 5: the mom said, well, today's the day, and then they

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Speaker 5: kill them. That's modern, that's current history, not hundreds of

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Speaker 5: years ago.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was talking john recently to a missionary

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Speaker 1: in Nigeria who said exactly the same thing about Christians.

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Speaker 1: There were Christians and Muslims who lived in that kind

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Speaker 1: of border land in Nigeria. The Muslims dominant in the

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Speaker 1: northern part, the Christians in the southern parts. So there's

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Speaker 1: a certain common area and these people had gotten along

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Speaker 1: for many years until, like you said, the order came.

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Speaker 1: So in effect, what you're saying, it's very startling, and

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Speaker 1: I think people need to get the full grasp of it.

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Speaker 2: That.

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Speaker 1: You know, we talk about their like sleeper cells in America,

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Speaker 1: their sleeper cells in Europe. You're saying that Islam is

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Speaker 1: the sleeper cell, and that observant Muslims in America are

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Speaker 1: all part of this sleeper cell in some ways awaiting

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Speaker 1: notification to move into actions.

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Speaker 5: That's pretty close. Yes, I want to be clear about

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Speaker 5: a couple points that I think are very important. Not

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Speaker 5: all people who self identifies Muslims want to wage jihad

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Speaker 5: and want to impose sharia. However, normative mainstream Islam teaches

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Speaker 5: that that is the requirement. So if we look over

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Speaker 5: history how Islam becomes dominant and then wanes and becomes dominant,

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Speaker 5: it's because wars have been waged against Islam to put

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Speaker 5: the boot on the neck of Islam to keep it

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Speaker 5: from doing what it naturally does. But because Islam's doctrine

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Speaker 5: and what it requires of Muslims is contrary to human nature.

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Speaker 5: We have people humans who were born into the Muslim community.

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Speaker 5: They themselves may not want to be a part of it. However,

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Speaker 5: as Islamic scholars have said over the years, including recently

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Speaker 5: because of the law of apostasy, that if you leave Islam,

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Speaker 5: you are killed. Most people would prefer to live under

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Speaker 5: the blanket or the enslavement of Islam then die, and

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Speaker 5: so a lot of people tolerate this. So when you

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Speaker 5: talk about what's the psychology behind some of this, this

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Speaker 5: is a huge part of it. And for your viewers.

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Speaker 5: When I was in the FBI, I worked with individuals too,

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Speaker 5: in particular that did very dangerous things, and I traveled

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Speaker 5: overseas with them to a point because they were able

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Speaker 5: to go to places I could not go. They were

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Speaker 5: able to go and doo al kaita safe houses, they

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Speaker 5: were able to identify weapons, caches, and places where large

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Speaker 5: sums of money were in individuals that were high value

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Speaker 5: targets that we were able to take that information and

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Speaker 5: either capture or kill these individuals. And someone would say, well, John,

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Speaker 5: so not all Muslims are bad, and yet you sound

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Speaker 5: like you're saying they're all bad. First of all, I'm

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Speaker 5: not making a judgment on the individual. I'm saying that

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Speaker 5: Islam itself is evil and barbaric and has no place

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Speaker 5: in civilized society. And I think that's a very easily

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Speaker 5: attainable fact. If you read a textbook used to teach

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Speaker 5: ten year old Muslim children in the United States about Islam,

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Speaker 5: it's barbaric. And then when you read normative Islamic law

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Speaker 5: that's published in English and you can buy a copy

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Speaker 5: of it and read it, it's barbaric. Humans that are

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Speaker 5: Muslim may follow it to some degree or other. But

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Speaker 5: when we see al Qaida doing what they do, when

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Speaker 5: you see formally the Islamic state formally isis setting fire

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Speaker 5: toward Jordanian pilot in a cage, where you see hamas

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Speaker 5: raping and burning babies, setting them on fire, that's lawful

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Speaker 5: in Islam, and there's no version of Islam where it's

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Speaker 5: not lawful, and so we need to understand that because

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Speaker 5: that's not radical, that's not extreme Islam, that's normative, everyday

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Speaker 5: mainstream Islam. And as you know, there's a video that

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Speaker 5: I use in my training, and if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 5: it's from twenty twelve or thirteen from the Islamic it's

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Speaker 5: the Norway Peace Conference of Muslims. And the speaker says,

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Speaker 5: you know, just because we're not telling you about it,

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Speaker 5: just because we're not out in the media, is saying

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Speaker 5: it doesn't mean that all Muslims don't understand and agree

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Speaker 5: that with this. And what he's talking about at the

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Speaker 5: time is the punishments of Sharia and that imposing a

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Speaker 5: law's law, and the example Muhammad is that's what Islam's

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Speaker 5: all about. So that I think when you take all

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Speaker 5: this together, they may there may be people who self

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Speaker 5: identify as Muslim that don't want that, but their belief

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Speaker 5: system doesn't constitute a different version of his life.

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Speaker 1: John, we've heard about the Red Green Alliance, and you

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Speaker 1: describe the way in which there was a systematic communist

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Speaker 1: infiltration in America. A lot of the full extent of

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Speaker 1: this has been disclosed by Soviet defectors and the opening

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Speaker 1: up of Soviet archives and the at the end of

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Speaker 1: the Cold War you realize the kind of full scale

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Speaker 1: operation that was going on from the communist side. Are

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Speaker 1: you saying, in effect that that operation which many people thought,

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Speaker 1: you know, was finished at the end of the Cold War,

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Speaker 1: that that threat was done, has lived on in the

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Speaker 1: Red part of the Red Green alliance, and that the

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Speaker 1: reds and the Greens have now kind of understood that

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Speaker 1: they have a common goal. They may not have a

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Speaker 1: common destination or endpoint at some hypothetical future date, if

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Speaker 1: they win, they might have to take each other on,

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Speaker 1: but in the meantime they are close allies that work

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Speaker 1: together on many, if not all fronts against a common enemy.

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Speaker 1: Is that a correct kind of description of what is

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Speaker 1: going on? And do the two sides, the Red and

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Speaker 1: the Green, understand each other?

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Speaker 5: So this is a great first of all, your summation,

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Speaker 5: I think is right on the mark. And to answer

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Speaker 5: the question about how they operate together, yes, I mean

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Speaker 5: at the ground level across the United States, and this

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Speaker 5: applies to Europe and Canada and everywhere else. But in

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Speaker 5: the United States, the Communists, the Red, the Islamic Movement,

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Speaker 5: the Green. They operate seamlessly. So you have a Communist Party, USA, Democrats, Socialists,

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Speaker 5: Black Lives Matter, formed at the largest Chinese communist front

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Speaker 5: group in America, ANTIFA, the Green Party, Code Pink RevCom,

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Speaker 5: you know, Rise and Resist, all these groups, the World

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Speaker 5: Workers Party at the ground level, working with the largest

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Speaker 5: Islamic organizations in the United States, you know, Islamic Society

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Speaker 5: North America, Muslim Student Association, Muslim American Society, Council on

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Speaker 5: American Islamic Relations. All of these groups, and many new

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Speaker 5: groups that have been formed to you know, in the

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Speaker 5: last you know, several years, Students for Justice in Palestine,

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Speaker 5: American Muslims for Palestine, you know, M Gauge. There are

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Speaker 5: so many of them, we can't even keep up there,

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Speaker 5: creating them every month. But they're working seamlessly at the

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Speaker 5: ground level, and they're to your point. Their common purpose

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Speaker 5: is to destroy the United States. Because these hostile movements understand,

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Speaker 5: the United States is the beacon on the hill, it's

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Speaker 5: the it's the founts or certainly the has been the

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Speaker 5: point of truth and liberty for well two hundred and

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Speaker 5: fifty years in the world. You know, we America, without

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Speaker 5: going tangential too much, is created with an idea that

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Speaker 5: was not put into a governmental form ever in the

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Speaker 5: history of mankind before the United States, where you know,

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Speaker 5: we had monarchs for the history of mankind ruling humans.

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Speaker 5: And the United States is created with an understanding that

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Speaker 5: human beings are born with unalienable rights that come from

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Speaker 5: our creator, and we're our founders said, we're going to

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Speaker 5: build a government that recognizes that, and the government's primary

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Speaker 5: role is to secure those liberties for the people of

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Speaker 5: the United States. And for the first time in history,

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Speaker 5: we had a revolution against a great power that we

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Speaker 5: certainly should have never defeated, we did, and that the

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Speaker 5: leaders of the revolution handed the power back to the

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Speaker 5: people again first time in world history that ever happened.

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Speaker 5: So these evil elements, these evil movements which come in

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Speaker 5: many forms, the secular humanist movement, the globalists that you

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Speaker 5: call them what they want, But where the rubber meets

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Speaker 5: the road, it's the communists and jihadis getting the work

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Speaker 5: done in anywhere USA. And they're winning, they're winning significantly.

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Speaker 5: And we still have people asleep at the wheel who

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Speaker 5: do not understand or don't seem to want to understand

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Speaker 5: the breadth of this threat, the immediate threat to their

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Speaker 5: families and communities.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think, John, that on the right and

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Speaker 1: you mentioned the state of Texas as being a.

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Speaker 2: Kind of.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a ground zero currently for Muslim brotherhood operations, But

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Speaker 1: why why is the right so blind? Excuse me, Jo,

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Speaker 1: I'm about to sneeze, So give me just a second

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Speaker 1: and we'll just pick it right up. Okay, Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: good John. It seems that on the right there is

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Speaker 1: a great reluctance to take the full measure of the

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Speaker 1: threat as you have described it. There's a great desire

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Speaker 1: to make some sort of amodation. Part of this may

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Speaker 1: just be the human sense, you know, we don't want

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Speaker 1: to go to war with two bullion Muslims. Or it

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Speaker 1: may be that, guess what, we just got a lot

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Speaker 1: of Muslims here in Texas and we as state representatives

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Speaker 1: have to campaign for their votes the same way we

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Speaker 1: campaign for everybody else's votes. Is all of this kind

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Speaker 1: of normal politics and an attempt to sort of just

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Speaker 1: draw Muslims into it the same as every other group. Hey,

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Speaker 1: the Irish came, the Italians, the Jews and so on,

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Speaker 1: and so we find it very difficult to recognize that

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Speaker 1: Islam is as you insist a separate category.

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Speaker 5: So yes, I'm grateful for that kind of lead in

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Speaker 5: because I think that's correct. I think human nature and

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Speaker 5: especially the American culture. You know, America believes at least

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Speaker 5: are founding principles, right, the liberty that we have now,

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Speaker 5: liberty comes with responsibility. But I'll save that for a

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Speaker 5: different piece of the conversation. But we are free to

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Speaker 5: live as we choose, so long as what we do

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Speaker 5: doesn't negatively impact on our neighbor. And we believe love God,

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Speaker 5: love neighbor, even love our enemies. But I think along

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Speaker 5: the way, because of the communist movement that you talked about,

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Speaker 5: because of their efforts, which we now know much of

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Speaker 5: the full breadth of that they penetrated beginning in the

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Speaker 5: nineteen thirties, the education system, the universities, the government. I mean,

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Speaker 5: even during the Roosevelt administration, we had a number of

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Speaker 5: high level government officials that were agents of the Communist

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Speaker 5: Party in the Soviet Union and elsewhere. We know all

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Speaker 5: this now. So Americans have come to think of this

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Speaker 5: in a way that's very different from reality. My colleague

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Speaker 5: Steve Coglin calls it the pseudo reality. And when we

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Speaker 5: live in the pseudo reality, we don't understand things as

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Speaker 5: they actually are. That's the first problem. I think the

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Speaker 5: overriding not necessarily a problem. The issue that has to

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Speaker 5: be tackled is I think for the most part, you know,

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Speaker 5: real patriotically minded, constitutionally minded Americans are good people. They're

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Speaker 5: good hearted, good natured people, and for the most part,

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Speaker 5: they want to be able to raise their children the

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Speaker 5: way they want, They want to live the way they want.

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Speaker 5: They want to be free to do the things they

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Speaker 5: want to do, and they assume that others that come

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Speaker 5: here want to do the same. Well, that's a not

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Speaker 5: when it comes to Islam, that's not a correct assumption.

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Speaker 5: And I would say, you know, you just mentioned something.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm insisting that it's different. I would say,

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Speaker 5: if you just listen to the leaders of Islam, if

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Speaker 5: you read the textbooks that are used to teach their children,

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Speaker 5: it's very clear what their purpose is. It's not to coexist.

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Speaker 5: It's not to come into America and integrate into our community.

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Speaker 5: It's to as as I heard a Muslim leader in

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Speaker 5: the UK say in two thousand and nine when I

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Speaker 5: was there for a conference that I was invited to.

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Speaker 5: We're here to coexist only until Islam dominates and takes over.

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Speaker 5: That's what they're doing, and now they're being very clear

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Speaker 5: about it. So I think that's all of these things,

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Speaker 5: our human nature, our American culture, the way that the

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Speaker 5: Islamic leadership has really created this facade of who they

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Speaker 5: are that's not reality. I think when you put those

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Speaker 5: things and other things together, it's what's got us here

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Speaker 5: and why people are not responding in the way that

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Speaker 5: they should. And the other piece I think, you know,

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Speaker 5: as a combat veteran and as a warrior, I've read

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Speaker 5: a lot of books on combat and war fighting and

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Speaker 5: historical battles, and one of the things that is immediately

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Speaker 5: evidence is human nature opposes squeezing the trigger to take

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Speaker 5: another person's life. And so I think when people come

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Speaker 5: to realize how dark and how bad and imminent the

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Speaker 5: danger is, I would say I just had a conversation

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Speaker 5: with someone. I won't share their name, but they're definitely

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Speaker 5: a global leader in the kind of patriot movement against Islam.

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Speaker 5: Human nature. I mean, when people come to see how

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Speaker 5: bad things actually are. I would say thirty to forty percent,

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Speaker 5: and the number may be higher of people just kind

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Speaker 5: of shut down because they just cannot comprehend it and

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Speaker 5: they don't want to deal with it. And I have

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Speaker 5: no I don't speak negatively about those people. I get it.

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Speaker 5: Some of us are built to have these conversations. Some

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Speaker 5: of us are built to oppose and go to battle

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Speaker 5: against these enemies of liberty. But that's also a big

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Speaker 5: part of this. Why a lot of people aren't dealing

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Speaker 6: Then another sign, I'm tearing heaven an enormous red Dragon

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Speaker 6: Revelation twelve three.

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Speaker 1: Once again an armed attack in the Middle East, but

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Speaker 1: this time it's different.

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Speaker 7: October seventh was the Devil's Helmet.

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Speaker 1: It's very hard to believe what happened, even though I

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Speaker 1: was there and seeing with my own eyes and seeing

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Speaker 1: them laughing and killing and having fun with it.

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Speaker 2: Because if you don't open the door, they are going

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Speaker 2: to kill you and they are going to kill me.

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Speaker 1: So please open the door. So who are the Jews?

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Speaker 1: Who are the Palestinians? And whose land is it?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 1: Could the fate of the world of humanity itself be

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Speaker 1: somehow tied to this place.

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Speaker 7: The nation of Israel is a resurrected nation. So what

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Speaker 7: if there was going to be a resurrection of another

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Speaker 7: people and enemy people of Israel. The Bible speaks about

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Speaker 7: this whole war as a dragon representing the enemy attacking

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Speaker 7: a woman representing Israel.

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Speaker 1: The civilian debts on both sides represent victories on the

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Speaker 1: part of the dragon. Mastered everything within their ability to

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Speaker 1: maximize the civilian casualty.

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Speaker 2: We came back to a land that was largely barren

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Speaker 2: and empty, and we brought it back to life, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to keep it.

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Speaker 7: The devil hates the Jewish people because they represent the

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Speaker 7: existence of God.

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Speaker 1: Because without that Jewish foundation, there is no Christianity.

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Speaker 7: If we're approaching the end of time, God will reveal

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Speaker 7: himself more and more dramatically.

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Speaker 1: Speak back through the stones.

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Speaker 6: The story that they've been telling is that Israel is

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Speaker 6: a colonial project.

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Speaker 5: The problem with that is the City of David.

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Speaker 1: We are an inconvenient truth. Are you aware of any

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Speaker 1: significant archaeological finding that contradicts the Bible?

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Speaker 5: Nope.

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Speaker 1: God's word stands firm to God. The dragon will not prevail.

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Speaker 5: God.

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Speaker 1: Your message here is become a dragon Slayer's based.

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Speaker 6: In Jonathan Conn's number one international bestseller, The Dragon's prophecy.

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Speaker 6: This film contains graphic violence of October seventh

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Speaker 5: Do