WEBVTT - RIP Norman Podhoretz, Recapping 2025 with Exit Interviews

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<v Speaker 1>iTunes and Hillsdale Jority Leader Senator John Thune of South Dakota, Senator,

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<v Speaker 1>Merry Christmas to you. I hope you get out of

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<v Speaker 1>town soon, back to South Dakota. I suspect it's warmer there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Merry Christmas you. It's probably not warmer there, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's always better to be there than here.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, I would say so, thank you forgiving me

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<v Speaker 1>some time today. I want to look back at twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five and a little bit forward and mostly good news,

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<v Speaker 1>some ongoing battles, and then a couple of disagreements I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk to you about. Let me begin with

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<v Speaker 1>the best news. Since the reconciliation process came along in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy four, Republicans have successfully used it only four times,

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<v Speaker 1>including this year, So congratulations on that for the walks

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<v Speaker 1>out there, including me.

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<v Speaker 3>How difficult was that.

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<v Speaker 2>Very You know, the nice thing about reconciliation you as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, as you can do at fifty one votes

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<v Speaker 2>in the Senate would typically take sixty. So it is

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity when you have unified control of the government

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<v Speaker 2>like we do right now, House, Senate and White House,

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<v Speaker 2>to do really big consequential things. And we used it

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<v Speaker 2>for that reason. We got a lot of really big

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<v Speaker 2>consequential things done. But just getting fifty one, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>keeping Republicans united to even pass something with a simple

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<v Speaker 2>majority was incredibly challenging, especially something is you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>has as far reaching and had as many moving parts

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<v Speaker 2>as the bill that we passed last summer did. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to you want to make use of it

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that creates policy that's good for a

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<v Speaker 2>really long time. And most of the stuff that we

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<v Speaker 2>did in there, especially on the tax side, we made permanent.

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<v Speaker 1>So those oh, thank god the clip what it kell.

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<v Speaker 1>But for the people who are trying to keep score

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<v Speaker 1>at home two thousand and one, two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and seventeen, when it was Speaker Ryan and

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<v Speaker 1>Leader McConnell, and then twenty twenty five, do you think

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<v Speaker 1>there will be another one?

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<v Speaker 3>Later could be.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm open to that, and some of our

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<v Speaker 2>colleagues are interested in another reconciliation bills. Well, we actually

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<v Speaker 2>have a couple of vehicles available to us. The way

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrats finished up, there was a they didn't do

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<v Speaker 2>a budget that last year. So we took their basically

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<v Speaker 2>shell and legislative vehicle their budget and did it. So

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<v Speaker 2>we actually have two that we could still do this

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<v Speaker 2>next year if we wanted to, and if there's a

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<v Speaker 2>reason to, if we come together behind some healthcare proposal

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<v Speaker 2>that we think we want to make permanent and create

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<v Speaker 2>more affordable healthcare, I could see that happening. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think there it's really important that you know the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that we did in this first one, which again you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at the kind of categorize it as

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<v Speaker 2>safe streets, more money in people's pockets, and new opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>to get a hit for the American people and on

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<v Speaker 2>tax stuff, energy stuff, regulatory, you know, the newborn accounts,

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<v Speaker 2>school choice, childcare, things that the Democrats been trying to

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<v Speaker 2>do for years. We were able to get done in

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<v Speaker 2>this build, and only on our terms, and so it

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<v Speaker 2>was really really a consequential piece of legislation, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>look for other opportunities if things come along in the

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<v Speaker 2>tax space, from the healthcare space, and we want to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, do some things that can make policy that

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<v Speaker 2>will take us in a different direction, particularly on healthcare,

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<v Speaker 2>to make it more affordable than yes, we're open using it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I want to remind people what would have happened

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<v Speaker 1>had you not. And reconcilation was very hard this year

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<v Speaker 1>because the leader then had to work with Speaker Johnson.

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<v Speaker 1>And not only is it fifty one votes in the Senate,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's a close run thing. Everything in the

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<v Speaker 1>House is. So you two may have the best working

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<v Speaker 1>relationship in the years I've been doing this between the

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<v Speaker 1>House and the Senate. Would you will you think that

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<v Speaker 1>will stand up?

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<v Speaker 4>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Johnson is terrific in what he does and as

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<v Speaker 2>just a he's a character guy and so I really

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy working with him where we we have. He's got

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<v Speaker 2>he's got a really hard job, as you point out,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean talk about a narrow majority he has to

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<v Speaker 2>navigate there. We have a similar situation, but this is

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<v Speaker 2>even more I think complicated, frankly, but so we meet

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<v Speaker 2>every week. We're meeting later today. We talk regularly. I

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<v Speaker 2>talked to him on the phone yesterday, and so it's

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<v Speaker 2>a it's a really good working relationship you and one

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<v Speaker 2>that is conducive to getting things done. But I can't

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<v Speaker 2>tell you how hard and challenging and complicated it is

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<v Speaker 2>with those narrow majorities, just keeping people together, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on on what are some very complicated and challenging issues.

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<v Speaker 1>And President Trump's not a shrinking violent he has opinions.

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<v Speaker 1>Well there is that has opinions. Let me go to

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<v Speaker 1>the second Big Deal, and again this is for want.

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<v Speaker 1>You used the nuclear option, and I applaud that was

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<v Speaker 1>a tough thing to decide to do, but you did it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm glad you did it. Again, Let's remind people

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<v Speaker 1>what you had to do right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and frankly, that was really hard to begin. You

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<v Speaker 2>had to get people who were in our conference. We

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<v Speaker 2>had to do it with fifty one days. We did

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<v Speaker 2>all with all Republicans, and honestly, we held every way together,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think was pretty remarkable. But we did a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of education and reforming and and you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>idea around how the nominations process historically worked and it's

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to work, and the Democrats had virtually blown it up.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they literally President Trump's first president of history

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<v Speaker 2>not to have a single one of his nominees approved

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<v Speaker 2>by the voice fold or unanimous consent, which is typically

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<v Speaker 2>it's the expedited way of getting non controversial nominees through

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<v Speaker 2>the process. And MS were just forcing us to vote

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<v Speaker 2>literally on every you know, not just the top level

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<v Speaker 2>people the cabinet level, which we do, but sub cabinet

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<v Speaker 2>level and below. And it had change. Couldn't continue on

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<v Speaker 2>this pace. The president never would have got his people

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<v Speaker 2>in place. So we came up with a rules change,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, something refer it as a tactical nuke instead

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<v Speaker 2>of a strategic nuke. But we did some things that

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<v Speaker 2>created what frankly, had been the practice for a long

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<v Speaker 2>time in the Senate, and that is on these non

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<v Speaker 2>concert controversial noms being able to move them quickly in

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<v Speaker 2>an expedite way. So we're now stacking him. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to move a stack later. Today there are ninety seven

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<v Speaker 2>and this bunch oh wow. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you, however, have a disagreement with the president, and

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<v Speaker 1>I am on your side on this on preserving the

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<v Speaker 1>legislative filibuster. Have you persuaded him yet that we really

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to change that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, good luck with persuading him, Hugh. He is

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<v Speaker 2>he is very He has a strong view on it,

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<v Speaker 2>and which I appreciate and I'm sympathetic to because of

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<v Speaker 2>the obstacles the Democrat throw up against him. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the the way that they're playing this, the Trump derangement

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<v Speaker 2>syndrome is epic and real, and these Democrats are blinded

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<v Speaker 2>by their hatred of the President and so they are

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<v Speaker 2>not They don't want to do anything in any way

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<v Speaker 2>that works with us to achieve his objectives or his

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<v Speaker 2>goals or his agenda. And so I understand the presence frustration.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also know that at least historically, the filibuster

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<v Speaker 2>and as you know, since its inception, unlimited debate has

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<v Speaker 2>been a feature of the United States and then going

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<v Speaker 2>back to seventeen eighty nine and then now, it takes

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<v Speaker 2>a supermajority still to this day to do anything here.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that makes sense on legislation. It forces collaboration,

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<v Speaker 2>it gives a voice to the minority, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's protected Republicans and conservatives in this country through the

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<v Speaker 2>years from a lot of really bad stuff the Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>would have done if they could have done in the

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<v Speaker 2>fifty one vote. So I know it's controversial, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's something that has protected Republicans way off more

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<v Speaker 2>often any benefit we might get from getting rid of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a defensible line around the Supreme Court. And

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<v Speaker 1>I tell everyone, if they ever blow up the filibuster

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<v Speaker 1>and they moved to expand the court and pack the court,

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<v Speaker 1>we will have lost the rule of law. So the

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<v Speaker 1>filibuster is like the first trench they have to get

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<v Speaker 1>over to get to the court, and we can't have

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<v Speaker 1>that happen now. To my surprise, Leader Throne, two Congressional

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<v Speaker 1>Review Acts passed. I didn't even know that they were there.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought maybe people forgot about it. But I listened

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<v Speaker 1>to Dan Sullivan. That really has saved our bacon in Alaska.

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<v Speaker 1>I had totally forgotten about those things, and you got

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<v Speaker 1>two of them through last week.

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<v Speaker 2>We did, and that makes twenty four for the year.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're rolling back bard some Biden regulations that in

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<v Speaker 2>many cases, and as Dan Sullivan points out, there were

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<v Speaker 2>seventy if you can believe the seventy Biden regulations that

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<v Speaker 2>went after the Energy industry in the state of Alaska.

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<v Speaker 2>It was almost like he singled them out and it

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<v Speaker 2>was just, you know, had a specific team of blowing

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<v Speaker 2>up the state of Alaska. So we've restored some sanity,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly in the area of energy, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these Biden error regulations that needed to go by the wayside.

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<v Speaker 2>We use the Congression Review Act, which is a legislative

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<v Speaker 2>vehicle available to do that, and twenty two of the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four that we've passed through the Senate have now

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<v Speaker 2>been signed in the law by the President. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a mechanism to undo a lot of the damage done

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<v Speaker 2>by the previous administration. We've used it, I think very

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<v Speaker 2>effectively got rid of the California the EPA waiver, which

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<v Speaker 2>would have required that electric vehicles be thirty five percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the cars in the country next year and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five one hundred percent, which is just virtually impossible

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<v Speaker 2>and crazy. And California had managed to export that policeyat

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<v Speaker 2>to eighteen other states around the country. So we came

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<v Speaker 2>up with a fairly creative way of taking that down.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's also something I think as we look back

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<v Speaker 2>on this past year as a real I think accomplishment,

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans together to undo a lot of the Biden your damage, a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot of legislative wins. But sometimes it's also important just

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<v Speaker 1>not to lose. And you didn't lose. You didn't blink

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<v Speaker 1>in the shutdown. I don't know if that was ever

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<v Speaker 1>in doubt?

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<v Speaker 3>Was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you just couldn't blink there? And I'm so glad

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's as you know, it's hard because

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of pressure and you've got people, i

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<v Speaker 2>mean people in our office. Every day you come in,

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<v Speaker 2>you aren't getting paid, and it's you know, becomes a

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<v Speaker 2>very personal issue. But what they did was just unprecedented

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<v Speaker 2>and completely uncalled for. I mean, they got themselves in

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<v Speaker 2>over their skis, and the left, the far left in

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<v Speaker 2>this country, was calling the shots and Chuck Schumer was

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<v Speaker 2>taking his orders put you know, walked us marshed us

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<v Speaker 2>into this thing. It was totally unnecessary, totally uncalled for,

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<v Speaker 2>and frankly unprecedented in historic what they did, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and we, for forty three days endured it. The American

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<v Speaker 2>people had to endure it. But if we had even

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<v Speaker 2>given in and rewarded that kind of bad behavior, we

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<v Speaker 2>would just get more of it. You see more and

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<v Speaker 2>more of that. So it was important that we hold

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<v Speaker 2>the line. And you know, it's a but it's again

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<v Speaker 2>another indication of just the hatred that the left has

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<v Speaker 2>for the President of the United States. We see it playing

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<v Speaker 2>out every single day here in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to add another category.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to do anything when the war power

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<v Speaker 1>is invoked by the president. I know the War Powers

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<v Speaker 1>Act I think is unconstitutional, But when he did Operation

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<v Speaker 1>Midnight Hammer, when we're doing the interdictions in the Caribbean

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<v Speaker 1>and the flotilla and who knows what's been announced at

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<v Speaker 1>five o'clock to night, you have led the Republicans in

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<v Speaker 1>standing behind the president. I don't think we've lost anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>with the exception perhaps of Senator Paul on a thing

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<v Speaker 1>or two. Am I right about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's correct. I mean, there are others who were

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<v Speaker 2>sympathetic to the argument that's made on that particular issue.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the presence perfectly within his rights as

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<v Speaker 2>the command in Chief to exercise the authority that he

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<v Speaker 2>has under the Constitution to protect Americans an American interest,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's certainly what he's been doing with these targeting

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<v Speaker 2>these terrorist cartels that are poisoning any American people with

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<v Speaker 2>the drugs that they've been bringing into this country. And

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, there's always going to be questions around that,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course, especially now because it's this president, the

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats have really hypercharged their attacks on him. But he's

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<v Speaker 2>had good support from Republicans here because we believe he's

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<v Speaker 2>on the right track when it comes to protecting Americans

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<v Speaker 2>and that's his peace. Whose strength is you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>policy he's adopted and one that I agree with and share.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a dangerous world and this president is not going

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<v Speaker 2>to shy away from doing what it takes to protect Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to add as well. Anti Semitism is everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and we saw it in Bondai Beach in Australia. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it may have a role in the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>the mit professor. I don't know any anything about Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not ruling it out. But you've kept the caucus

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<v Speaker 1>together and united behind our ally Israel. That's getting tough

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<v Speaker 1>for every day given what's happening to the Democratic Party.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that on the agenda for twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>It is And I think that notwithstanding what is happening

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<v Speaker 2>to the and I don't understand, you know, with Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>in this country, that used to be a bipartisan issue,

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<v Speaker 2>but they have their political laugh. The Prohomas wing of

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrat Party is ascendant right now. It's where the

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<v Speaker 2>energy is and a lot of the money is in

0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Democrat politics. You see it playing out in some of

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<v Speaker 2>these elections around the country. And that's really unfortunate because

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<v Speaker 2>support for Israel is a time honored policy of this

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<v Speaker 2>country and our greatest ally in that part of the world,

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<v Speaker 2>and an ally with whom we have so much in

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<v Speaker 2>common on you know, going back to faith, tradition, to

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<v Speaker 2>the economy, to national security interests, into democracy. There are

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<v Speaker 2>just so many reasons why our support for is needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be on equivocal, especially to time when they are

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<v Speaker 2>constantly under attack. And so yeah, it's hard to explain

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<v Speaker 2>where the Dems are. But we will continue here at

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<v Speaker 2>least in the Senate on the Republican side of the aisle,

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<v Speaker 2>with continuing a very strong message of support and backing

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<v Speaker 2>it up with actions now later.

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<v Speaker 3>It's important for realize.

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<v Speaker 1>You not only have to move legislation and get the

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<v Speaker 1>caucus there, and you have to get stuff done and

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<v Speaker 1>stop stuff from happening.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's also important you got to look ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to hold the majority, and that means Senator

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<v Speaker 1>Collins next year, Senator Houston, Ohio, even Senator Sullivan giving

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<v Speaker 1>their screwe voting system up there. And you've got open

0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:43.920
<v Speaker 1>seats in North Carolina, Kentucky and Iowa. A great Mitch

0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.880
<v Speaker 1>McConnell's stepping down, Jony Earns is stepping down. Tom Tillis

0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.040
<v Speaker 1>is stepping down. How do you feel about who you've

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<v Speaker 1>recruited and how it's going on those three vacancies in

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<v Speaker 1>our three target Senators Collins, Houston, and Sullivan.

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<v Speaker 2>We feel really about where those races all are. You

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<v Speaker 2>it's a it's a midterm election, and you you have

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<v Speaker 2>correctly as you always be diagnosed where the races and

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<v Speaker 2>where our challenges aren't vulnerabilities are around the country. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, midterm elections there's typically you're you're facing a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a headwind. But these are really strong

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<v Speaker 2>incumbents and case of Senator Collins has run against you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so many times outperformed Republicans not only in her state

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<v Speaker 2>but all over the country. And Houston is a great

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<v Speaker 2>new senator from Ohio, really accomplished, hard working, and and

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's going to be in great shape there

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<v Speaker 2>and really important too because of who he's running against.

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats recruited Shard Brown and a far left Democrat and

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<v Speaker 2>somebody we need to make sure that doesn't come back

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<v Speaker 2>to the Senate. So we're gonna be working hard on

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<v Speaker 2>that one. Of course, Ashley Hinson's a great recruit in Iowa.

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<v Speaker 2>Were really delighted that she stepped up into that race.

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<v Speaker 2>We hate to lose Joni, but Ashley will be a

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<v Speaker 2>great replacement. But it's going to take a lot of resources.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, clearly we need the President and being

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<v Speaker 2>out there helping these folks and then also having a

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<v Speaker 2>record of accomplishment to run on, which I think they do,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you know, we get those states. As you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got some pickup opportunities too, and we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>working hard not only to protect and preserve our majority,

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<v Speaker 2>but hopefully to expand upon it. But that'll take a

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<v Speaker 2>huge team effort, you know, the President and our incumbents,

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<v Speaker 2>our challengers, all of our supporters out there and donors

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<v Speaker 2>working together to keep the team, to keep the team

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<v Speaker 2>on the field and make sure you have the ability.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't forgotten Michigan and Georgia, maybe even Minnesota, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's for another time. You also have to start recruiting

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<v Speaker 1>an n RSC chair for the next cycle, don't you

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<v Speaker 1>have you got anyone in mind? Or you're talking to people,

0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:46.359
<v Speaker 1>there are.

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<v Speaker 2>Some folks who have an interest in that. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we get some I believe it or not. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a hard job. As you know, you're going out

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<v Speaker 2>every day every week basically trying to raise resources to

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<v Speaker 2>support the team, and takes an enormous amount of time.

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<v Speaker 2>So but we get people who are really I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>good grateful that we got people who really are difference

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<v Speaker 2>makers here and see that as an important role. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think we'll we'll have a good person in that spot.

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<v Speaker 3>Stand by.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to come back with the final part of

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<v Speaker 1>my interview with Leader Thune in a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me remind you.

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<v Speaker 1>Angel Tree, we're running out of time. We are down

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<v Speaker 1>to eight days, and we can take care of more kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the one point five million children whose mom and

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<v Speaker 1>or dad are in jail find bars. They get a bible,

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<v Speaker 1>a present, a note from mom or dad, about the President,

0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.320
<v Speaker 1>how much they love them, and most important of all,

0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the connection to Angel Tree. You can call Angel Tree

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<v Speaker 1>a triple A two oh six twenty seven sixty four.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether you give a.

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<v Speaker 1>Huge gift like my friends Carolyn jan did, or a

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<v Speaker 1>small gift like many of you have sent ten or

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen or twenty dollars. God sees, I see, we see,

0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:57.000
<v Speaker 1>and more important, those kids receive on Christmas something from their.

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<v Speaker 3>Mothers and fathers. Thank you an.

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<v Speaker 1>Opportunity to talk to my guy, Governor, Glenn Youngkin of Virginia.

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<v Speaker 1>I say my governor for another month. He's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be my governor, and I no doubt he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>run through the tape, but I wanted to get in

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<v Speaker 1>line early for all the exit interviews. Governor, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for making time today. Good to see you, and Merry Christmas.

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<v Speaker 5>Merry Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>You.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you for making time for me.

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<v Speaker 6>And I got to tell you what an honor it

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<v Speaker 6>is to not only be with you on your great

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<v Speaker 6>radio show, but also to have a chance to reflect

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<v Speaker 6>on what's happened over the last four years, because it's

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<v Speaker 6>been just amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that is my first question here. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>think are your greatest accomplishments and the state's greatest accomplishments.

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to give you the runway because there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot that got done.

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<v Speaker 5>Well. Thank you for asking the question.

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<v Speaker 6>And Hugh, I think that the story of the last

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<v Speaker 6>four years has been one of massive transformation. It's been

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<v Speaker 6>one of competing and winning. It's been one of promises

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<v Speaker 6>made and promises kept, and it's.

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<v Speaker 5>Been a story of Virginia leading again.

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<v Speaker 6>I was humbled the other day when I I heard

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<v Speaker 6>someone described the last four years as the Great Virginia Renaissance.

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<v Speaker 6>But you have to go back to where we started

0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:10.399
<v Speaker 6>to really put it in perspective. Back in twenty twenty one,

0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:14.240
<v Speaker 6>Virginia was struggling. It was stalled and coming out of

0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.600
<v Speaker 6>the pandemic, we'd had twenty five thousand small businesses shut,

0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.159
<v Speaker 6>more people move away. We were forty seventh in the

0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:23.000
<v Speaker 6>nation and job recovery, we had a twenty year higher

0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.000
<v Speaker 6>murder rate. And by the way, Virginia was ranked top

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<v Speaker 6>in the country and learning loss in fourth grade reading,

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<v Speaker 6>in math because the schools were all shut. I mean,

0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:34.040
<v Speaker 6>that's what we walked into and we went to work,

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<v Speaker 6>and when Virginia's hired me. I told him that I

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<v Speaker 6>was going to go to work to transform things, to

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<v Speaker 6>change things.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's exactly what we've done.

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<v Speaker 6>We had to fix business in Virginia and open it up,

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<v Speaker 6>and Virginia's had just a remarkable run. We've had one

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<v Speaker 6>hundred and fifty six billion dollars of investment commitments from

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<v Speaker 6>companies over the last four years, and Hugh, that's as

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<v Speaker 6>much as the last six governors combined. It's led to

0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.159
<v Speaker 6>record job growth, that's led to record revenue growth for

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<v Speaker 6>the Commonwealth, and it's been that financial strength that's then

0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:11.119
<v Speaker 6>allowed us to turn around and provide record tax relief

0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:14.600
<v Speaker 6>nine billion dollars, a tax relief to Virginians beyond anything

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<v Speaker 6>that's ever been seen in Virginia before, and that I

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<v Speaker 6>think has really led to the biggest shift, which is

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<v Speaker 6>more people moving to Virginia from the other forty nine

0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:27.400
<v Speaker 6>states than moving away for the first time in a decade.

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<v Speaker 5>That's really the hearts of our effort.

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<v Speaker 6>But one of the things our record revenue allowed us

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<v Speaker 6>to do was tackle I think some of the most

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<v Speaker 6>challenging issues that Virginia had, which was education, and at

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<v Speaker 6>the top of the list was getting parents back in

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<v Speaker 6>front of their students and their children at the head

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<v Speaker 6>of the table. I mean, listen, number one in the

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<v Speaker 6>nation and learning loss in reading and math and fourth grade.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's just stunning where Virginia was with parents

0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.840
<v Speaker 6>being shoved out the door in their kids' lives. And

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<v Speaker 6>on top of that, we'd seen the systematic degradation of

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<v Speaker 6>expectations of excellence.

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<v Speaker 5>So we went to.

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<v Speaker 6>Work, and I have to say today I signed the

0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.320
<v Speaker 6>bill to get the masks off of kids, to allow

0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:14.960
<v Speaker 6>parents to take sexual explicit materials out of their child's curriculum,

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<v Speaker 6>but on top of that, to totally transform the way

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<v Speaker 6>that we accredited our schools so that now we know

0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:26.040
<v Speaker 6>whether they are actually teaching the children or not. The

0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:28.240
<v Speaker 6>work we've done to get cell phones out of the

0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:32.080
<v Speaker 6>classrooms with bell to bell, cell phone free education across

0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:37.000
<v Speaker 6>the entire state, and finally we've led the nation and

0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:41.840
<v Speaker 6>reducing chronic absenteeism. All of that HUE has really been

0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:45.879
<v Speaker 6>part of re establishing expectations of excellence. And guess what,

0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:50.720
<v Speaker 6>we made the standardized tests harder and the students did better.

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<v Speaker 3>How about that?

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<v Speaker 5>And finally, this last year we were named the best

0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:56.919
<v Speaker 5>state in America. For teachers. So you know, education has.

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<v Speaker 6>Been one of our big, big, big opportunities, and I

0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:02.879
<v Speaker 6>think we've done fonstrated that you can transform a broken

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<v Speaker 6>educational system and for the benefit of students and parents.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anecdotal evidence and evidence of anecdotes. Lawyers like to

0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:13.720
<v Speaker 1>say that, But my anecdote is my four grandkids who

0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:18.160
<v Speaker 1>are military kids, began in Virginia, went to California, could

0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:20.919
<v Speaker 1>not wait to get back to Virginia schools because of

0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:24.920
<v Speaker 1>the turnaround here and the emphasis on quality. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know firsthand, but I also think you have

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<v Speaker 1>left a mark on Virginia higher education, the state university

0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:31.880
<v Speaker 1>system here.

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<v Speaker 3>Am I right about that?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, We've gone to work in order to make it

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<v Speaker 6>a system that's focused on merit, and to try to

0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:45.560
<v Speaker 6>match curriculum to job opportunities, and finally to bring the

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<v Speaker 6>cost down because it's so hard for families in Virginia

0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:52.840
<v Speaker 6>to afford these universities. And it's really just been the

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<v Speaker 6>bully pulpit the Governor's office.

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<v Speaker 5>I have really pushed them.

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<v Speaker 6>We kept touish flat the first year and it's been

0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:05.000
<v Speaker 6>an average of only two percent increases the last three years.

0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:06.760
<v Speaker 5>Because there's plenty of money in the system.

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<v Speaker 6>But I've also been so proud of our ability to

0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:15.600
<v Speaker 6>match degree paths to the labor opportunities in Virginia. I mean,

0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:19.800
<v Speaker 6>we've created hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of jobs,

0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:23.040
<v Speaker 6>and we need people to take those jobs. But to

0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:26.400
<v Speaker 6>the blending of these two points is really important. We've

0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:31.080
<v Speaker 6>created pathways for students to go straight to work, or

0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:34.680
<v Speaker 6>go to college, or join our military, and that has

0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.840
<v Speaker 6>been one of our top priorities. There's not one size

0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:41.280
<v Speaker 6>fits all colleges and for everybody, and so now nearly

0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:44.639
<v Speaker 6>eighty percent of our students graduate from high school with

0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:48.840
<v Speaker 6>an industry recognized credential, so they can go straight to work,

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:52.200
<v Speaker 6>or they can go through one of our great JROTC

0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:55.880
<v Speaker 6>programs and immediately enlist in the military, which, by the way,

0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:59.120
<v Speaker 6>is such a backbone of the Commonwealth of Virginia. This

0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:03.640
<v Speaker 6>idea that going to work or joining the military should

0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:06.720
<v Speaker 6>be celebrated, I think is one of the big achievements

0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:09.080
<v Speaker 6>of the Commonwealth of Virginia. That's not the takeaway from

0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:12.119
<v Speaker 6>our great universities, but I do believe that there's a

0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:15.440
<v Speaker 6>pathway that's unique to every single Virginia kid.

0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:16.760
<v Speaker 5>And we got to open it up and let them

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<v Speaker 5>chase it.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you mentioned Billy Pulpit Governor.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be the first, I'm sure among many

0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 1>who also want to thank First Lady Youngkin for many things,

0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:29.240
<v Speaker 1>but especially one Pill can Kill campaign. I think she

0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:31.560
<v Speaker 1>saved lives with that. I don't know where she came

0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 1>up with it, but it's been brilliant. Also, bet she's

0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:38.040
<v Speaker 1>going to look forward to January eighteenth when you get

0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:39.240
<v Speaker 1>a little break right.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I have to say the First Lady has been

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:46.840
<v Speaker 6>extraordinary to serve with your wife and to see her

0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:50.479
<v Speaker 6>do such amazing work. I mean, Virginia has led the

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:55.720
<v Speaker 6>nation in reducing overdose deaths from fentnol, and she's been

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:59.360
<v Speaker 6>at the forefront. She's been traveling around the state speaking

0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:03.240
<v Speaker 6>with parents and students and coaches and pastors, making sure

0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:06.960
<v Speaker 6>everybody understands the scourge of fentanyl. And then we've coupled

0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 6>that with a concentrated effort to interdict the drug trade.

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:13.880
<v Speaker 6>We have seized enough fentanyl to kill every Virginia ten

0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:17.760
<v Speaker 6>times over. We have tried to really attack the gang

0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:21.240
<v Speaker 6>violence in Virginia. In our partnership with the federal government

0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:25.080
<v Speaker 6>has been amazing. Through the Virginia Homeland Security Task Force,

0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:29.479
<v Speaker 6>we have arrested thousands and thousands and thousands of violent

0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:33.120
<v Speaker 6>criminals who are here illegally. We arrested the number three

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:36.120
<v Speaker 6>player in MS thirteen living right here in Virginia.

0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:37.679
<v Speaker 5>And so it's been this combination of.

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:41.160
<v Speaker 6>The great work from my amazing wife Suzanne and law

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:44.760
<v Speaker 6>enforcement that has enabled us to bring down fentanyl overdoses

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:46.160
<v Speaker 6>in such an extraordinary way.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Governor, I hope after you are done, you'll come

0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 1>back and we'll take some time to talk about the media.

0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:55.480
<v Speaker 1>We'll kick Larry O'Connor around a little bit. But genuinely,

0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 1>honestly thank you, because Virginia is a much better place

0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:01.840
<v Speaker 1>to live for years after your governorship than when I

0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:05.000
<v Speaker 1>first got here. And I appreciate that you didn't have to.

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:06.280
<v Speaker 5>Do this, and you did it.

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:09.639
<v Speaker 1>Neither did missus youngkin so on my behalf of my family,

0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:11.640
<v Speaker 1>thank you. We appreciate your doing the time.

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 3>Greg.

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<v Speaker 5>God bless you, Hugh.

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:16.840
<v Speaker 6>I wish you a very blessed Christmas, and most importantly,

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:18.920
<v Speaker 6>thank you for hiring me. What an honor it's been

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:21.920
<v Speaker 6>to see Virginia become the state that we all know.

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:25.159
<v Speaker 1>She should be ay'm en to that Merry Christmas, Governor.

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Be well, I'll be right back in America. Stay two.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been a busy morning already, in a busy afternoon already,

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 1>but I did want to take a moment to say.

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:38.359
<v Speaker 1>I woke up this morning and opened up my text

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.960
<v Speaker 1>my emails, then I go to my ex account. It's

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 1>like a kick in the gut. Norman pod Hoortz had died.

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:50.199
<v Speaker 1>Now Norman pod Howartz is ninety six. His son is

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>an acquaintance, a friend, a guest on this program known

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:57.119
<v Speaker 1>for a long time. I've only interviewed Norman Podhwarts a

0:26:57.160 --> 0:26:59.880
<v Speaker 1>couple of times, but he's a giant in the American

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 1>antheon of intellectuals and for different people. I heard this,

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:06.600
<v Speaker 1>in fact, in real time. I listened to the commentary

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 1>pod today and John wasn't there sitting Shiven, no doubt.

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:15.400
<v Speaker 1>But Abe Greenwald, Christine Rosen, and Eleanna Johnson were there

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.919
<v Speaker 1>and I was listening and taking notes. And they're all

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 1>much younger than I am, right, so they all have

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 1>different understandings of Norman pod Hortz. For Abe Greenwald, Norman

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 1>pod Hoortz the great editor of commentary magazine for forever,

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:35.199
<v Speaker 1>great New York intellectual. For Abe, it's the guy who

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 1>introduced him to World War four, the guy who explained

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:41.040
<v Speaker 1>what nine to eleven was about and what it meant.

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:48.679
<v Speaker 1>And for Christine Rosen, it was American intellectual history. And

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:51.919
<v Speaker 1>how much Norman pod Horts, who she got to know

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:55.399
<v Speaker 1>in person like I did not, how much he loves

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 1>the country, how he always used we versus I was

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>absolutely a patriots patriot. And Eleana Johnson, who is young

0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 1>enough to be my daughter, said about him, Look, he

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 1>was an editor's editor. And then they got to talking

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 1>about the fact that he was. He didn't need to

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 1>have credit for what the work he did. They told

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:21.399
<v Speaker 1>him a couple of funny stories I had not heard,

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:27.920
<v Speaker 1>including the fact that the famous Dictatorships and Double Standards

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 1>article by Jane Kirkpatrick came in at one hundred pages,

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Harmon pod Hoort edited it down. Some magazines are writers magazines.

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 1>I think Eleana makes this point, or maybe Christine, or

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe eight And you just send in whatever you send

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 1>in and they check for typos, and they printed that's

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 1>not commentary commentary, was it? But I'm a different age

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 1>and for me, Norman pod Horritz is one of the

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 1>two key intellectual figures of sort of growing up. There's

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:58.560
<v Speaker 1>William F. Buckley and there's Norman pod Horitz. There's a

0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:03.840
<v Speaker 1>National View and there's common Jerry, And I can't say

0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:04.960
<v Speaker 1>this for sure.

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 3>About either of them.

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 1>But I think I can say it about both of

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 1>them that if there hadn't been both of those guys,

0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 1>there wouldn't have been a Reagan. The Reagan Revolution was

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 1>made possible by those two guys. And I'm not sure

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 1>that Norman pod Hoorts that Reagan would have made it

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 1>without Norman pod Hortz, because William F. Buckley had brought

0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 1>in and given voice to conservatives. But Norman pod Hortz

0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 1>brought in the neocons. And Richard Nixon used to say

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 1>all the time about Goldwater people, you can't win without them,

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 1>but you.

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 3>Can't win with just them.

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:52.719
<v Speaker 1>So Norman pod Hortz brought in the neocons and broke

0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>One of the key books of my intellectual growing up

0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>is Breaking Ranks, came out in nineteen eighty Already, you know,

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>I sort of solidified who I was when I read

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Souls and Eatson. But to find out what the smart

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 1>people that neo cons were thinking. I had Buckley and

0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>the regular conservatives, right, William F. Buckley, Catholic, Republican conservative

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Yale for many of us, kind of our guiding light.

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 1>And then Norman Podworts came in with the brass knuckles

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>and delivered the blow to the jaw. And I mean,

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 1>New York intellectual life is not for the faint of heart.

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>And I only spent part of nineteen eighty there. But

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 1>that's why Nixon, when he left San Clementy, I was

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 1>working for him. Are n wanted to go back to

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>New York because that's where the intellectual action was in

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 1>the Cold War, and the Cold War went until eighty nine.

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 1>So for me, I picked up commentary at college sometime

0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 1>in the mid to late seventies and have never not

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 1>been with it. But Norman pod Hoortz gave language to people,

0:30:57.840 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 1>taught them out to think about the Soviet Union along

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 1>with Reagan.

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 3>Gave Reagan language. I mean, he gave.

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Jeane Kirkpatrick the job because he published Dictatorships and double standards.

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>He published Daniel point Patrick moynihand he published James Q. Wilson,

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:18.920
<v Speaker 1>every great thinker of the seventies. In the eighties wrote

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:23.680
<v Speaker 1>for Commentary magazine and their symposium issues when they would

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>put one question on the table and they would get

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 1>fifty of the smartest people in the country to write

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 1>about it, from all across the center right to the right.

0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:37.720
<v Speaker 1>He may be with Buckley the two most important American

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:40.200
<v Speaker 1>intellectuals of the last hundred years.

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 3>And I think I'm pretty comfortable saying that. More on him.

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Go to the Commentary podcast today. Jay POD's not there today,

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:48.960
<v Speaker 1>but he'll be back eventually.

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 3>Read up.

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I see Tom Cotton has written a tribute to Norman

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 1>pod Ortz. One of the giants, really one of the giants.

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 1>We shall not see their like again until people rise

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:05.400
<v Speaker 1>up to take on Jijon Ping in the Chinese communist parties.

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<v Speaker 3>Stay tuned, I'll be consumer.

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and four one one forty four fifty four, it's

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<v Speaker 1>time to check no. My exit interview, My interview with

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 1>John Thune, I get an EGIT interview with Glenn Younkin,

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and now I have my second exit interview of the

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 1>day with Ohio's Attorney general and I think America's best

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 1>attorney general, David Yost, who's been laboring at that or

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 1>for eight years, and.

0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to check in with him before he left town. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>David Jos how are you in general and Jestic?

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:53.400
<v Speaker 4>How are you?

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:55.920
<v Speaker 3>Hugh? I'm good? Well, are we gonna win the National

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 3>champion You're the real buck guy. I'm just a fan.

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 1>You actually went there, You get two rings.

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 4>We're going to have a great run at the National Championship.

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm going out on a limb here and

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:10.720
<v Speaker 1>saying it's going to be two rings.

0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 3>General. A couple of weeks ago, before.

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I get to what you're going to do next and

0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:18.480
<v Speaker 1>what your greatest accomplishments are, you brought to my attention

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:21.279
<v Speaker 1>the City Club was going to cancel our friend Aaron Bear,

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:24.840
<v Speaker 1>and so I jumped on your bandwagon and they didn't

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 1>cancel him. I guess they never even threatened to cancel

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:30.239
<v Speaker 1>them much. You're understanding of what happened there, but thank

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:31.359
<v Speaker 1>you for stepping into it.

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 4>Well. I appreciate you picking it up.

0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:38.799
<v Speaker 7>You put a national voice into the mix. Look, he

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:41.799
<v Speaker 7>had been invited. He's an interesting guy. He's built an

0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 7>incredible organization here called the Center for Christian Virtue, had

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 7>been tremendously effective in the General Assembly. Doesn't win everything,

0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 7>but he's made a lot of progress here in Ohio.

0:34:54.160 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 7>And the City Club, which fashions itself as a sitator

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 7>free speech, invited him to come on January sixteenth and

0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:09.279
<v Speaker 7>address their Cleveland audience. I don't need to tell you

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 7>that excuse maybe left of center a little bit a bit,

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:20.120
<v Speaker 7>and very appropriately he agreed.

0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 4>And then the word.

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 7>Got out and some lgbtq IA plus activists started passing

0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:34.000
<v Speaker 7>a petition and raising hell about the fact that this

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 7>Christian activist was going to be allowed to come and

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:43.879
<v Speaker 7>address the City Club and asked for him to be deplatformed. Now,

0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 7>this is the same city club that had had a

0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 7>national speaker in on gay rights during Pride Month last year,

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 7>So obviously they have already had that point of view

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 7>in the BIGS. So it's a private organization. The First

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:09.280
<v Speaker 7>Amendment does not apply it to them. But I urged

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 7>them to not abandon their position on free speech and

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 7>to not disinvite him, and that letter got out into

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:24.279
<v Speaker 7>the wild, and fortunately, after a few days of consideration,

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 7>the board elected to confirm their invitation to airon He'll

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:33.239
<v Speaker 7>be talking there in Cleveland to that audience on the

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 7>sixteenth of January. I was so pleased. I bought a

0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:38.960
<v Speaker 7>table and I'm going to bring some of my friends

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<v Speaker 7>to you. He at least has a couple of folks.

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:45.239
<v Speaker 1>I will be talking it out because City Club's a

0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:48.840
<v Speaker 1>good organization. I didn't want them to actually bend or break.

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:51.480
<v Speaker 1>And so good for you for leading the fight, and

0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:53.279
<v Speaker 1>you've let a lot of fights. I wanted to talk

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:55.120
<v Speaker 1>to you about your eight years of Attorney General and

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:58.280
<v Speaker 1>then find out what you're going to do next, because

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 1>you've won a lot of big cases, especially on religious liberty.

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.319
<v Speaker 1>What do you consider to be your triumphs in eight

0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:06.359
<v Speaker 1>years as the age?

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Dad Yost?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I've got another year to go before I leave office.

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 4>But you're right. I mean, we have been out there

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 4>in the.

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:20.040
<v Speaker 7>Trenches and some of the things are ones that have

0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 7>been national and we led the Amika's effort on the

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 7>Wisconsin Catholic Charities case that was about whether the government

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:36.680
<v Speaker 7>gets to decide whether your charity work is sufficiently religious

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:40.720
<v Speaker 7>enough to qualify for a tax exemption.

0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 4>Of course, Supreme Court said, no, government, you don't. You

0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 4>don't get to use your your determination to decide what's

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:49.600
<v Speaker 4>religious and what's not.

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 7>But I think it's maybe the stuff I'm proudest of, Hugh.

0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:58.719
<v Speaker 7>It's the little stuff that doesn't make the headlines. A

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:03.160
<v Speaker 7>place called Dad's Place that stayed as a church in

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 7>downtown small town here in northwest Ohio, and the powers

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 7>that they didn't like them staying open all night and

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:18.319
<v Speaker 7>ministering to people who were homeless and some of them,

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:23.319
<v Speaker 7>you know, quite tragic stories, and tried to use fire

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:27.880
<v Speaker 7>code and various municipal building codes to shut them down

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:34.879
<v Speaker 7>because they didn't want them there. First, Liberty Institute represented them,

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 7>and I was proud that we weighed in as well

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:42.480
<v Speaker 7>at both the trial court level and the state appellate

0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:48.880
<v Speaker 7>court level. That case was just remanded with instructions to

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:57.160
<v Speaker 7>the local court that they could not use these laws

0:38:57.200 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 7>to harass Dad's Place in carrying out their their religious mission.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, or generally every time I turn.

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<v Speaker 7>Around again here in Ohio, go ahead, Yeah, well, every

0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:13.760
<v Speaker 7>time I turn around your turn around ce Liberty.

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:15.759
<v Speaker 1>You just did it again and again. I think you

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 1>did it with the Toledo school system. I think you've

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:20.680
<v Speaker 1>done it Amika's briefs and you've been You've written a

0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:23.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of letters to stop people from doing dumb things.

0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 1>And you do have a year left. You were going

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:27.799
<v Speaker 1>to run for governor and then you decided not to.

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Are you eyeing one of the new congressional districts?

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:34.400
<v Speaker 7>No Congress is so broken, I don't want to go

0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:38.560
<v Speaker 7>to Washington. Look, I'm going to stay involved in There's

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:40.920
<v Speaker 7>no shuffle board court in my immediate future.

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:44.280
<v Speaker 4>But I'm going to be looking at some other options.

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:45.399
<v Speaker 4>Whether that's helping to.

0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 7>Train young the next generation of lawyers to stand up

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:54.719
<v Speaker 7>for our constitution, or whether it's entering, you know, some

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 7>sort of public interest law firm and doing some work there.

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 7>When I'm done as Attorney General next year, I will

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:05.359
<v Speaker 7>stay in the fight.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, General, what I really wanted to ask you about?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's kind of sneaky, tricky, I add on the

0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 1>President's ais are. Yesterday, David Sachs and the President issued

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 1>an executive order that I think it's unprecedented. And I

0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 1>asked David and he's unaware of it, of any president

0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:28.279
<v Speaker 1>preempting state purporting to preem states from regulating AI out

0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:30.960
<v Speaker 1>of their state legislature. They of course want to stop

0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 1>California from screwing up AI for everyone, just like they

0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:38.280
<v Speaker 1>screwed up cars for everyone, but that had to be repealed.

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 1>You're a federalist, You're like, mister federalist, what do you

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>think of that executive order? And David was quick to say,

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, Congress can did preempt under the Interstate Commerce Clause.

0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:51.759
<v Speaker 1>I know that, but it's an EO from Article two.

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Just I don't know if you've even thought it through yet.

0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:56.319
<v Speaker 1>But what's your initial reaction to that?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, So, actually, when I heard the first news about this,

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:06.399
<v Speaker 7>I was immediately concerned. I don't think there is such

0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:10.279
<v Speaker 7>a thing as Article two preemption, but.

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<v Speaker 4>I understand the president's goal, and it's a worthy goal.

0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 4>I've got a.

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:19.480
<v Speaker 7>Team that's tearing THEEO apart, looking at the potential legislation

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 7>that we have in the General Assembly. Here at the moment,

0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:28.920
<v Speaker 7>the federal government is not taking any action to prevent

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 7>us from doing anything withholding any resources.

0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:33.520
<v Speaker 4>So it's a little.

0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:38.000
<v Speaker 7>Bit academic right now, But as somebody who plays an

0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:42.680
<v Speaker 7>academic occasionally on the media, I have to say, I've

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:45.839
<v Speaker 7>got I've got some concerns about this.

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:48.920
<v Speaker 4>That ultimately will be dependent upon.

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:53.320
<v Speaker 7>How does the President attempt to.

0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:55.359
<v Speaker 4>Implement that EO?

0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:59.600
<v Speaker 7>And I question whether there's such a thing as Article two.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen one, and he can stand up task

0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:08.240
<v Speaker 1>force the Department of Justice to sue for it takes

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:11.719
<v Speaker 1>to interfere with interstate commerce. But that bringing me my

0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 1>last question, and I'm hitting you with cold and if

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:16.480
<v Speaker 1>you haven't thought about it, you don't have to answer it.

0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 1>There are district court vacancies, there are six circuit vacancies

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:22.040
<v Speaker 1>coming up. Do you ever want to be a judge?

0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 1>You're always in the fight? Would you want to be

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 1>a judge?

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<v Speaker 7>You know, I wouldn't have wanted to even consider that

0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:30.200
<v Speaker 7>for most of my career because I'm an advocate.

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:32.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm too passionate to be a judge, I've said.

0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:36.279
<v Speaker 7>But as I've matured a little bit, I think I

0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 7>might enjoy that work. Of course, questions in this day

0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:43.960
<v Speaker 7>and age, are my years to advance to qualify? And

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:46.680
<v Speaker 7>I guess that's for somebody else to decide.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I would say that Senators Houston and Marino.

0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll bet you're good for twenty five.

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:54.359
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:57.640
<v Speaker 1>My grandfather stayed on the bench until he was eighty

0:42:57.640 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 1>eight or something like that. So he was a spiritual

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.400
<v Speaker 1>judge up in Jefferson County, in Ashonvilla County, in Jefferson City.

0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:06.799
<v Speaker 1>And I think it would be great. And I'm glad

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:10.560
<v Speaker 1>to hear you not say no, not say yes. I

0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:12.080
<v Speaker 1>want to do it, not say no, just that you

0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:15.480
<v Speaker 1>would think about it. David Merry Christmas, thanks for your

0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 1>work on behalf of First Amendment issues and for the

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Center for Christian Virtue and for the Republican Attorney General's

0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:25.399
<v Speaker 1>Association across the country. And I don't think you're too

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:28.479
<v Speaker 1>long in the twoth I hope somebody listening. David Joes,

0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:31.399
<v Speaker 1>thank you friend. Stay tuned, America. I'll be right back

0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:37.640
<v Speaker 1>on the UWIT Show. Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewitt.

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<v Speaker 6>Sleepy.

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<v Speaker 1>After the massacre in Australia, I immediately began to think

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:46.520
<v Speaker 1>of Andrew McCarthy, longtime prosecutor with the Southern District of

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:49.080
<v Speaker 1>New York. He put the blind shake fine bars and

0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:51.399
<v Speaker 1>broke up the ring and convicted the ring that blew

0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:53.680
<v Speaker 1>up the World Trade Center the first time. Then he

0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:56.360
<v Speaker 1>wrote two books, one of them Willful Blindness. That was

0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:58.400
<v Speaker 1>his first book. I interviewed him for c SPAN on

0:43:58.440 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>that book and then the Grand Ge. Then after the

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:04.640
<v Speaker 1>shooting at Brown I thought about him a second time,

0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:08.000
<v Speaker 1>and then after the subway attack in New York, I

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:10.960
<v Speaker 1>asked Danielle, our booking producer, to please get Andy, and

0:44:11.000 --> 0:44:14.760
<v Speaker 1>he's available on short notice. Andy welcome. How are you doing.

0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:16.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's kind of a bad day for everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Could Norman bot Hortz died, But how are you doing?

0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:25.279
<v Speaker 8>I'm doing fine. I was just telling General Listimo that

0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:28.320
<v Speaker 8>you know, the world may be spinning off its access,

0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 8>but I'm fine. It's almost Christmas, so you know there's

0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:34.520
<v Speaker 8>a silver lining here someplace.

0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:38.120
<v Speaker 1>I thought of you most recently before we get to

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:42.320
<v Speaker 1>the Islamicism resurgent, when I was asked to do Winners

0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:44.719
<v Speaker 1>and Loser of the Week on Special Report. And I'm

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:47.040
<v Speaker 1>not a National League fan. I'm a Guardians fan, but

0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I love the New York pet Met's New York Post cover.

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 1>You gotta bereave. Did that hit hard?

0:44:57.719 --> 0:44:59.319
<v Speaker 6>That was stuff there.

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:01.919
<v Speaker 8>That's almost up there with the Ford to New York

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:02.719
<v Speaker 8>dropped dead right.

0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:03.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean.

0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:06.279
<v Speaker 8>People the whole same.

0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:09.000
<v Speaker 1>People went out and bought three copies so they could

0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:10.680
<v Speaker 1>frame them for each floor of their house.

0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 3>What happened to the matter, Like, I really.

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:17.720
<v Speaker 1>Don't know anything other than what Generalissimo tells me about

0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:19.880
<v Speaker 1>the Angel and the Dodgers. I do not follow the

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:23.200
<v Speaker 1>National League. How badly bet how much did they lose?

0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:28.640
<v Speaker 8>Well? The I think the thing that frustrates most of

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 8>us is that the big problem last year was the

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:34.560
<v Speaker 8>starting pitching, and that hasn't been addressed at all. I

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:37.440
<v Speaker 8>can't really you know, Searns is a smart guy, and

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:39.040
<v Speaker 8>if he looked at the core of the team and

0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 8>said this is not going to work, this group is

0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:44.480
<v Speaker 8>not going to win a World Series, I have to

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 8>say that you got to break it up. And because

0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:51.320
<v Speaker 8>that's the goal. Even though I love Alonso and I

0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 8>like Diaz and love Nemo, but you know, I think

0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:59.880
<v Speaker 8>they're not addressing They're not addressing what the consensus he

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 8>or his problem, which is starting pitching. So that's a

0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:03.480
<v Speaker 8>little frustrating.

0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Well that's also the Angel. Even Dwayne can talk op

0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 1>air during the break. Actually I want to talk to

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:10.879
<v Speaker 1>during break. So next time, let's get to the key

0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:14.640
<v Speaker 1>subject at hand. Bondi Beach, and then we had the

0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:18.320
<v Speaker 1>New York subway incident, and in between them the shooting

0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:18.880
<v Speaker 1>in Brown.

0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:20.759
<v Speaker 3>I want to go out of sequence.

0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:23.640
<v Speaker 1>What are your thoughts about the shooting at Brown Because

0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:25.680
<v Speaker 1>in all the years I've been in media, it's thirty

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:29.480
<v Speaker 1>five years, there's never been a mass shooting that they

0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:32.799
<v Speaker 1>didn't catch the purp within forty eight hours that I'm

0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:33.239
<v Speaker 1>aware of.

0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:36.279
<v Speaker 3>Are you aware of any?

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<v Speaker 8>Off the top of my head, no, And I would

0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:40.720
<v Speaker 8>have thought that if we were ever going to see

0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:47.000
<v Speaker 8>that you I guess you know. Ramsey Usef got away

0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:51.560
<v Speaker 8>with the right after the World Trade Center bombing, but

0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 8>we did manage to arrest some people. He was the

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:56.839
<v Speaker 8>mass of mind, but he did manage to get out

0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:59.160
<v Speaker 8>of the country. But off the top of my head,

0:46:59.840 --> 0:47:03.120
<v Speaker 8>not only know, but you would think that a college campus,

0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:08.359
<v Speaker 8>especially a modern American college campus, where their cameras just everywhere,

0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:10.920
<v Speaker 8>you would think it would be inconceivable.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it is possible he is holding someone

0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:16.520
<v Speaker 1>hostage or that someone is hiding him.

0:47:18.360 --> 0:47:23.200
<v Speaker 8>I think we can't discount anything, because it seems to

0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:25.120
<v Speaker 8>me that even though they don't have a didn't have

0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:28.120
<v Speaker 8>a good look at his face. With all the different

0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:32.120
<v Speaker 8>technology they have, including for you know, detecting people on

0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:36.719
<v Speaker 8>the basis of how they walk and other attributes, you

0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:40.880
<v Speaker 8>would think they could have struck gold with that, with

0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:43.720
<v Speaker 8>the image that they did have, even if it wasn't facial.

0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:48.480
<v Speaker 8>So you would hope that even though they're not, you know,

0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:52.120
<v Speaker 8>they're holding back information, you would hope that they've narrowly

0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:57.759
<v Speaker 8>got the circle now of potential suspects, and if they

0:47:57.760 --> 0:48:01.600
<v Speaker 8>haven't been able to nab the person, that means that,

0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:05.880
<v Speaker 8>you know, anything could be going on that we you know,

0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:09.359
<v Speaker 8>it'd be vacant speculation. What worries me is that they

0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:12.840
<v Speaker 8>don't have a suspect, and I hope that's not true.

0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:15.279
<v Speaker 1>Are you alarmed that they won't tell us what he

0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:18.480
<v Speaker 1>was yelling in the room and everyone's speculating.

0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:18.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm not.

0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:22.640
<v Speaker 1>But he was shouting something and it appears he targeted

0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:24.560
<v Speaker 1>a few people and didn't shoot other people.

0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:26.319
<v Speaker 3>What's that add up to you?

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<v Speaker 8>I am distressed that they haven't told us what the

0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:33.960
<v Speaker 8>guy was yelling. I mean, I'm as aware as you

0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:37.000
<v Speaker 8>are at the speculation about what it is and if

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:41.399
<v Speaker 8>it is, if it is indicative of jihadis terrorism. That's

0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:43.640
<v Speaker 8>a piece of information that you would think they would

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:46.000
<v Speaker 8>put out. I have to say, you know, putting out

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:49.160
<v Speaker 8>the picture of the second person, I really hope they

0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:52.479
<v Speaker 8>were very clear that that is not a person who's

0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:54.880
<v Speaker 8>a suspect, that it's just someone they think may have

0:48:55.680 --> 0:49:00.840
<v Speaker 8>information or may have seen something that's that's relevant. But

0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:02.560
<v Speaker 8>I must say, if you're going to put out that

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:06.160
<v Speaker 8>kind of obscure information to the public, and yet you

0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:08.640
<v Speaker 8>have something he was yelling while he was shooting, and

0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:11.560
<v Speaker 8>you're withholding that, I don't understand that at all.

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:15.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that makes there are I know, two real lawyers,

0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:17.080
<v Speaker 1>you and Kurt, and they're on both coachs, and you

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:19.000
<v Speaker 1>both say the same thing. I don't know anything about

0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:21.719
<v Speaker 1>criminal law or the FBI getting involved. By the way,

0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:24.160
<v Speaker 1>do you think the Bureau is involved and they're just

0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:27.640
<v Speaker 1>not telling us they're not at the press conferences.

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<v Speaker 8>I think you that what may have happened here is

0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:34.160
<v Speaker 8>they really did kind of botch the first seventy two

0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:39.120
<v Speaker 8>hours of the Charlie Kirk aftermath. And what I'm hoping

0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:43.040
<v Speaker 8>is that they oh the aftermath of that, talked about

0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:46.440
<v Speaker 8>discipline and message discipline and let's not say anything or

0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:49.480
<v Speaker 8>rear our heads till we have something helpful to contribute,

0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:52.319
<v Speaker 8>because otherwise they just look inept. So I think it

0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:56.760
<v Speaker 8>would be if that was the after action review after

0:49:56.840 --> 0:50:01.200
<v Speaker 8>the Charlie Kirk comicide. I think that's the that's beneficial.

0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now drawing the camera way out the three thousand

0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:07.839
<v Speaker 1>feet do you tie up Bondai Beach with the New

0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:12.440
<v Speaker 1>York City Subway? The Ani Semite's going after the Habadniks?

0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Are we see an anti Semitism having its renaissance, its resurgence?

0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:22.239
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, see don't. I've never seen it that way. And

0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:26.440
<v Speaker 8>you mentioned my books earlier. That interview we did almost

0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:27.319
<v Speaker 8>twenty years ago.

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:29.239
<v Speaker 3>I know it's remarkable about.

0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:32.799
<v Speaker 8>Eighteen years ago, but I enjoyed that interview so much

0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:36.319
<v Speaker 8>because we were able to talk about how in the

0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:39.080
<v Speaker 8>that was in the aftermath, even though the case happened

0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:42.279
<v Speaker 8>in ninety five, it was in the aftermath of nine

0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:45.439
<v Speaker 8>to eleven, and the big difference then and I still

0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:50.239
<v Speaker 8>think it's true, is that in our courtroom, presided over

0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:54.480
<v Speaker 8>by Michael Mukasey, then a district judge later President Bush's

0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:59.799
<v Speaker 8>Attorney General, there wasn't political correctness, and we were able

0:50:59.840 --> 0:51:06.160
<v Speaker 8>to show the Drury a straight line between doctrine animating

0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:09.759
<v Speaker 8>figures like the blind Shake and the effect that it

0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:15.279
<v Speaker 8>had on young Muslims, and we were not forced to

0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:22.320
<v Speaker 8>shy away from the doctrinal aspects of this. In later years,

0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:27.160
<v Speaker 8>the government tried to tamp down on the ideological basis

0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:30.359
<v Speaker 8>for all this because they thought that we couldn't walk

0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:33.799
<v Speaker 8>into gum like if they said this was an interpretation

0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:37.240
<v Speaker 8>of Islam, we were somehow smearing every Muslim on the planet,

0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:42.040
<v Speaker 8>which was ridiculous so to me because I had to

0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:45.360
<v Speaker 8>go to school on that stuff back in the early nineties.

0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:48.319
<v Speaker 8>This is Doc trinl. This is what the doctrine is.

0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:53.799
<v Speaker 8>And if you're going to have immigration policies and other

0:51:53.880 --> 0:52:00.000
<v Speaker 8>policies that enable a critical mass of immigrants from fundament

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:05.359
<v Speaker 8>menalist Islamic countries and from hotbeds of radical Islam, and

0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:08.279
<v Speaker 8>you're gonna let them collect in the big cities, not

0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:10.320
<v Speaker 8>only in the United States but Europe, you're going to

0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:10.640
<v Speaker 8>get it.

0:52:11.600 --> 0:52:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to talk with Andy during the break, we'll

0:52:13.680 --> 0:52:17.040
<v Speaker 1>put it on the podcast, and then he's coming back

0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:21.320
<v Speaker 1>after the break, so I'll saved Australian response for after

0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:24.440
<v Speaker 1>that o'cock doctrines during the break stay tuned America Andrews

0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:26.360
<v Speaker 1>McCarthy on x Andy.

0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:27.720
<v Speaker 3>In recent.

0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Months years, actually since ten seven in Israel, I've become

0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:36.759
<v Speaker 1>quite a fan of Haviv reddhig Gore, and like you,

0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:41.879
<v Speaker 1>he's always wanting to talk about the doctrine because it's

0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:45.600
<v Speaker 1>his belief. You can't understand, i'mascuse me, or any part

0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:49.200
<v Speaker 1>of the Jihad until you get Katub and the whole

0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:51.160
<v Speaker 1>fundamentalist Wahabism down.

0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:54.680
<v Speaker 5>Have you followed him, I have.

0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:58.160
<v Speaker 8>I agree with him. I've actually listened to a number

0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:02.359
<v Speaker 8>of your interviews with him, and through that became more

0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:07.960
<v Speaker 8>of an avid follower. I think he's excellent, but I

0:53:08.000 --> 0:53:10.640
<v Speaker 8>think what he would say, not to put words in

0:53:10.680 --> 0:53:13.440
<v Speaker 8>his mouth, is that this is pretty straightforward. What probably

0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:16.839
<v Speaker 8>frustrates him, as it frustrates me, is it's such an

0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:22.719
<v Speaker 8>obvious point. You know. I wrote a book called The

0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:26.600
<v Speaker 8>Grand Jihad, which was about the Muslim Brotherhood ideology and

0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:29.880
<v Speaker 8>its operations in the West, and I pointed out that

0:53:29.960 --> 0:53:34.399
<v Speaker 8>the most successful project of the Muslim Brotherhood, which is

0:53:34.719 --> 0:53:38.560
<v Speaker 8>almost in the United States from like to the eighties,

0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:42.920
<v Speaker 8>on was dedicated to the flourishing of Hamas. Hamas is

0:53:42.960 --> 0:53:47.719
<v Speaker 8>the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. But the most

0:53:47.719 --> 0:53:50.080
<v Speaker 8>successful project that they had in the West was the

0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:55.720
<v Speaker 8>Muslim Students Associations. In fact, they started with a handful

0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:59.319
<v Speaker 8>of chapters in the mid nineteen sixties and they now

0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:02.239
<v Speaker 8>have one hundreds of chapters across North America, in the

0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:08.120
<v Speaker 8>United States and Canada. And that is not a social organization,

0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:11.600
<v Speaker 8>that's a program. And my point is like, there are

0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:15.520
<v Speaker 8>a lot of people who woke up after ten seven

0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:19.799
<v Speaker 8>and they couldn't believe the campus activism. And I just

0:54:19.840 --> 0:54:21.759
<v Speaker 8>shook my head and said, you know, if you let

0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:26.400
<v Speaker 8>this go on for three generations. And that program was

0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:33.959
<v Speaker 8>so successful it gave way to another organization, the North

0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:38.279
<v Speaker 8>American Islamic Society. I'm probably screwing up the name, but

0:54:38.360 --> 0:54:42.680
<v Speaker 8>the thing was, the Muslim Students Associations were so successful

0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:45.719
<v Speaker 8>they had to have a successor organization, which is now

0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:50.200
<v Speaker 8>the biggest Islamist organization in North America because so many

0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:54.480
<v Speaker 8>people went through the program. So don't I don't. I'm

0:54:54.520 --> 0:54:58.000
<v Speaker 8>not remotely surprised by this. Which surprises me is that

0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:02.560
<v Speaker 8>people don't want to understand what they believed. If you

0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:05.520
<v Speaker 8>can think about like if we went into World War

0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:08.560
<v Speaker 8>two and we didn't want to know what the Nazis

0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:12.319
<v Speaker 8>believed or what the Shinto Japanese believed, we would all

0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:15.400
<v Speaker 8>say that was insane, that you couldn't protect the country

0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:19.000
<v Speaker 8>without knowing what the enemy was trying to accomplish. And

0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:22.799
<v Speaker 8>yet here it's like institutionalized and always has been that

0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 8>we have to put our head in this thing.

0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:27.399
<v Speaker 1>You know that that's very well said when you say

0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:31.080
<v Speaker 1>it again on the other side, Andy, not wanting to

0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:33.279
<v Speaker 1>know what the other side.

0:55:33.040 --> 0:55:35.200
<v Speaker 3>Believes is suicidal.

0:55:35.640 --> 0:55:38.520
<v Speaker 1>And I got a letter from Harvard yesterday, an email

0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:41.359
<v Speaker 1>asking for money or telling me that Graver is going

0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:43.399
<v Speaker 1>to be the president. And you know in that letter

0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:45.880
<v Speaker 1>they said, and he will continue the efforts against anti

0:55:45.880 --> 0:55:51.279
<v Speaker 1>Semitism and anti Arab discrimination. And I thought, good lord,

0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:55.560
<v Speaker 1>nothing's changed. There is no anti Arab discrimination in Harvard.

0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Not the problem. I'll be right back on the other

0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:00.799
<v Speaker 1>side with Andrew C. McCarthy. We'll talk about Australia and

0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:02.920
<v Speaker 1>when the when is it going to happen in the

0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:10.960
<v Speaker 1>United States. Stay tuned, Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh

0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Hewitt with Andrews C. McCarthy, Fox News contributor, author of

0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Wilful Blindness, The Grand Gid. He has also got his

0:56:17.560 --> 0:56:21.560
<v Speaker 1>own podcast with Rich Lowry, The McCarthy Report. Uh Andy,

0:56:22.080 --> 0:56:26.359
<v Speaker 1>it's I've got six minutes When and and Does an

0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Australian shootout like the one that happened on Saturday in

0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Australia at Bondey Beach happen in the United States?

0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:34.840
<v Speaker 3>Do you think.

0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:39.040
<v Speaker 8>Happily? I think that there's less chance of it. I'm

0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:41.680
<v Speaker 8>not going to say that there's there's zero chances of it.

0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:45.440
<v Speaker 8>But the big difference view I think between the United

0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:51.719
<v Speaker 8>States and Europe, Canada and Australia is we don't have

0:56:51.840 --> 0:56:57.680
<v Speaker 8>anything like no zones here. So far. The police, whether

0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:03.520
<v Speaker 8>it's federal or municipal police, have not essentially surrendered sovereignty

0:57:05.239 --> 0:57:10.560
<v Speaker 8>in particular areas where where you have cauldrons of jihadism.

0:57:10.600 --> 0:57:14.960
<v Speaker 8>That's where you would expect this stuff to blossom. And

0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:18.040
<v Speaker 8>what they've done in Europe, you know, this was Shake

0:57:18.160 --> 0:57:22.040
<v Speaker 8>Caradali's strategy. He was the shake use of Carradali was

0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:27.800
<v Speaker 8>the kind of the beacon for the Muslim brotherhood. His

0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:33.320
<v Speaker 8>idea was to tell Muslims integrate but don't assimilate, form

0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:37.040
<v Speaker 8>up enclaves in major cities in the West, and once

0:57:37.080 --> 0:57:40.960
<v Speaker 8>you get to a critical mass, agitate in order to

0:57:41.080 --> 0:57:46.120
<v Speaker 8>have Sharia autonomy in the local area. And once they've

0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:49.439
<v Speaker 8>gotten to critical mass in a number of places, they're

0:57:49.560 --> 0:57:53.760
<v Speaker 8>very hostile to the police and other agents of the States.

0:57:54.320 --> 0:57:58.120
<v Speaker 8>And when you have an environment like that, that's where

0:57:59.400 --> 0:58:05.800
<v Speaker 8>the thementalists preaching can take place, the recruitment, the fundraising,

0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:09.320
<v Speaker 8>and it lends itself to an atmosphere where you can

0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:14.720
<v Speaker 8>actually train for Gihatti's activities. The difference mainly between successful

0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:20.200
<v Speaker 8>and unsuccessful jihadist plots is training where you can have it.

0:58:20.520 --> 0:58:23.960
<v Speaker 8>You're much more likely to have terrorist attacks. Where the

0:58:24.000 --> 0:58:27.920
<v Speaker 8>police can infiltrate, you're much less likely to have them now.

0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:30.200
<v Speaker 1>And I know you've been a critic of the Trump

0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Justice Department on a lot of different things. Do you

0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:38.280
<v Speaker 1>think the Bureau and DOJ and State Attorney are they

0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:42.480
<v Speaker 1>on my lookout for this? Are they still where we

0:58:42.480 --> 0:58:44.760
<v Speaker 1>were on a nine to twelve. I think it's gone away,

0:58:44.800 --> 0:58:46.560
<v Speaker 1>but I could just be blind to the fact that

0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:48.760
<v Speaker 1>it's better than I think it is, and it's everywhere

0:58:49.120 --> 0:58:51.000
<v Speaker 1>surveillance and infiltration.

0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:54.520
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I think the FBI and the Justice Department in

0:58:54.520 --> 0:58:59.800
<v Speaker 8>this administration are less apt to be captured by political correctness,

0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:03.400
<v Speaker 8>and they won't be afraid to take a shot if

0:59:03.440 --> 0:59:07.960
<v Speaker 8>there's you know, they won't be afraid to be proactive.

0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:11.320
<v Speaker 8>I mean, I think this plot that they just broke up,

0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:14.760
<v Speaker 8>the New Year's Day plot shows that I think they'll

0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:16.760
<v Speaker 8>be active. I think this is the kind of thing

0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:20.680
<v Speaker 8>they'll be good on. I worry about how well the

0:59:20.720 --> 0:59:24.479
<v Speaker 8>President grasps suria supremacism. You know, we're back to talking

0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:28.440
<v Speaker 8>about the ideology again, because I think sometimes the President

0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:32.880
<v Speaker 8>thinks that everybody has a price and everybody, you know,

0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:36.560
<v Speaker 8>can look beyond ideology and other things they care about.

0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:38.720
<v Speaker 8>And I think there's a lot of evil actors in

0:59:38.760 --> 0:59:43.240
<v Speaker 8>the worldview that you know, they're just they're captured by

0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:46.240
<v Speaker 8>evil ideology and they're not looking to make a deal.

0:59:47.080 --> 0:59:47.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:59:47.280 --> 0:59:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I still ask first time guests if they've read The

0:59:49.920 --> 0:59:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Looming Tower. I've been doing that since Lawn's Right wrote it.

0:59:53.320 --> 0:59:56.040
<v Speaker 1>An astonishing number of people don't even know what it is.

0:59:56.120 --> 0:59:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Some people have said they've read a part of it

0:59:57.920 --> 0:59:59.760
<v Speaker 1>or heard about it and want to read it, But

0:59:59.840 --> 1:00:04.680
<v Speaker 1>I I really think it's been twenty five years, right, yep?

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<v Speaker 3>Are we off our guard again?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, it's a natural phenomenon when you go through a

1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:17.040
<v Speaker 8>spate of time, you know. I think it's pretty remarkable

1:00:17.600 --> 1:00:19.720
<v Speaker 8>that we haven't had a reprise of nine to eleven,

1:00:20.240 --> 1:00:23.440
<v Speaker 8>given how hard they've tried. But the one thing I

1:00:23.480 --> 1:00:26.160
<v Speaker 8>can say, and I you know, we're looking for a

1:00:26.200 --> 1:00:31.480
<v Speaker 8>silver lining, hear you, I'll say this, the cooperation between

1:00:31.840 --> 1:00:35.040
<v Speaker 8>law enforcement and intelligence and the way that they take

1:00:35.080 --> 1:00:38.360
<v Speaker 8>information from the public and move it up the chain

1:00:39.120 --> 1:00:41.440
<v Speaker 8>is night and day better today than it was in

1:00:41.520 --> 1:00:45.480
<v Speaker 8>nineteen ninety three. And I think haven't had a reprise

1:00:45.760 --> 1:00:49.960
<v Speaker 8>is because the guys on it, no matter what the

1:00:50.000 --> 1:00:52.400
<v Speaker 8>political people are saying, the guys on the front line

1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:55.360
<v Speaker 8>to do this, the intelligence guys, the cops, the FBI

1:00:55.520 --> 1:00:58.400
<v Speaker 8>agents in the field, they actually do a good job

1:00:58.440 --> 1:01:00.840
<v Speaker 8>and they share information with vital.

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<v Speaker 1>And the last silver lining we got thirty seconds. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think some of the Muslim majority countries are also

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<v Speaker 1>all in with us and stopping the Brotherhood?

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<v Speaker 8>No, I mean I think that the regimes are, But

1:01:15.480 --> 1:01:18.080
<v Speaker 8>like Egypt is a very difficult country for us because

1:01:18.120 --> 1:01:21.600
<v Speaker 8>the regime is more or less pro American and pro Western,

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<v Speaker 8>but it's a cauldron of fundamentalist Islam. It's the population,

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<v Speaker 8>all right.

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<v Speaker 3>Realism is what we get with Andy.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you take back the pen and I'll listen

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<v Speaker 1>to McCarthy report this week when you and Rich get together,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's going to be one for the ages. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Andrew C. McCarthy on X the mccarthury Report wherever

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<v Speaker 1>podcasts are, Thank you and a Merry Christmas, Andy, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the Mets will put a pitching a tree.

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<v Speaker 3>Under your tree for you. Thank you friend. Don't go

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<v Speaker 3>anywhere America. I'll be right back. It's beginning to go

1:01:54.160 --> 1:02:00.720
<v Speaker 3>up like Christmas, Ey, were you Welcome back America.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Hugh Hewitt's actually beginning to look like the Bad

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Movie. In the House of Representatives, it requires two

1:02:07.600 --> 1:02:11.600
<v Speaker 1>hundred and eighteen signatures on a discharge petition to get

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of legislation onto the House floor. Democrats have

1:02:15.400 --> 1:02:20.200
<v Speaker 1>rounded up four Republicans to get a three year no

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<v Speaker 1>Questions asked extension of the Obamacare subsidies. Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Reresnehan of Pennsylvania, Ryan Mackenzie, a Pennsylvania and our

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<v Speaker 1>old friend maybe not any longer, Micha Lawler of New York.

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<v Speaker 1>And so now the discharge petition has enough. I'm joined

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<v Speaker 1>by Sarah Bedford, Washington Examiner, political investigative reporter. Merry Christmas, Sarah,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you.

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<v Speaker 3>Merry Christmas? Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always good to see you. Can they take their

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<v Speaker 1>name off that discharge petition?

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<v Speaker 9>Not once a discharge position petition has reached two hundred

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<v Speaker 9>and eighteen signatures. If they had a change of heart

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<v Speaker 9>before the discharge petition had gathered enough signatures, then they

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<v Speaker 9>could have done so. But it's frozen. It's locked in

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<v Speaker 9>once they hit the two eighteen number. And so at

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<v Speaker 9>this point, no, none of those four Republicans. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 9>look like they would be able to remove their signatures.

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<v Speaker 1>What if they quit, because it's just quicker they can

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<v Speaker 1>get their office moved out sooner because they're all going

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<v Speaker 1>to lose. I mean, I'm as partisan as they come,

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<v Speaker 1>but when you screw your party this way, this is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty This is like the guys who tossed on McCarthy,

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<v Speaker 1>only on the other end of the caucus.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, there's a perennial complaint especially among conservatives, right that

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<v Speaker 9>moderates do things that depress the base overall for everyone

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<v Speaker 9>in order to save seats that they may not even

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<v Speaker 9>be able to hang on to either way, So you

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<v Speaker 9>might as well fight for conservative principles. The way that

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<v Speaker 9>the Republican Party has handled this moment with the expiration

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<v Speaker 9>of the ACA subsidies is really baffling to a lot

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<v Speaker 9>of servatives because they've had many, many years to come

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<v Speaker 9>up with ideas to perform a healthcare program that they've

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<v Speaker 9>been criticizing for more than a decade now, and yet

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<v Speaker 9>they're scrambling at this last moment, and you have moderates

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<v Speaker 9>like Fitzpatrick saying that a clean extension of the substace

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<v Speaker 9>is better than no extension, which is not a very

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<v Speaker 9>traditionally conservative position, And yeah, it's really angering to a

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<v Speaker 9>lot of other Republicans.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there is not a prayer that it will ever

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<v Speaker 1>get through the Senate. And I think these four were

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I gave and so did a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people cover for them when they wanted assault cap increase

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<v Speaker 1>because I understand the districts in the Northeast and all that,

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<v Speaker 1>but then to turn around and vote for a dead

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<v Speaker 1>on a rival bill, so all they want it's just

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<v Speaker 1>really showmanship.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's a good case to be made for this,

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell it to me. I am unaware of it.

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<v Speaker 7>No.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, there are the more viable proposals in the

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<v Speaker 9>House that have things like income caps or expanding hsas

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<v Speaker 9>and things that would get other Republicans to get on board,

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<v Speaker 9>and that wouldn't be seen as a sort of betrayal

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<v Speaker 9>of principles. And this really does sort of look like

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<v Speaker 9>a middle finger to leadership because Speaker Johnson had said

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<v Speaker 9>he wasn't going to bring any of these compromises to

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<v Speaker 9>the floor. I Fitzpatrick said, you know, I really tried

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<v Speaker 9>to get some of my bipartisan or you know, more

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<v Speaker 9>centrist compromises to the floor, and when that didn't happen,

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<v Speaker 9>then I had to kind of just be like, screw you,

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<v Speaker 9>I'll go aside with the Democrats. And you know, Johnson

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<v Speaker 9>was sort of put in an impossible position here, right

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<v Speaker 9>because Trump and Jade Vance they didn't run on cutting.

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<v Speaker 5>Subsidies for people.

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<v Speaker 7>Right.

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<v Speaker 9>But at the same time, it is not anywhere in

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<v Speaker 9>the conservative playbook to allow a COVID era subsidy like

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<v Speaker 9>this to continue. To prop up a broken healthcare system,

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<v Speaker 9>and so leadership the White House was in a really

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<v Speaker 9>awful position here. But they really did get undermined by

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<v Speaker 9>these marporate members.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is the mirror of Matt Gates and

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<v Speaker 1>his knucklehead caucus what they did when they threw Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>McCarthy out, which is they wanted some attention, the attention economy.

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<v Speaker 1>They threw a fit. They threw out the most effective

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<v Speaker 1>fundraiser of the Republican Party they've ever had, and they

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<v Speaker 1>got nothing. Mike Johnson is a wonderful speaker, is a

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<v Speaker 1>good speaker, but Lawler is and they're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>get anything out of it. If there was any way

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<v Speaker 1>that they would get anying out of this, I would say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not good politics.

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<v Speaker 3>It's terrible paulitics. They'll probably get a primary challenge, will they.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, the four of them are probably concerned about staying

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<v Speaker 9>in Congress, right, And that's the only point of difference

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<v Speaker 9>that I would say with Matt Gates, he was running

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<v Speaker 9>in a very heavily Republican district. He never had a

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<v Speaker 9>fear for his reelection prospects, whereas these four are probably

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<v Speaker 9>quite nervous about what's going to happen in November, and

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<v Speaker 9>confident that it would be really difficult for anyone to

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<v Speaker 9>primary them from the right.

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<v Speaker 5>In those really competitive districts.

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<v Speaker 9>That they may end up losing no matter what they do,

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<v Speaker 9>But that was likely. The calculation here is that they

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<v Speaker 9>fear leaderships not looking out for their interests heading into upbraaking.

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<v Speaker 1>They think that the Republican Party had no choice but

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<v Speaker 1>to support them because they're wrong.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think that they were.

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<v Speaker 9>Probably They probably don't fear a primary challenge from the

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<v Speaker 9>right that would be extremely difficult in a district like Lawlors,

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<v Speaker 9>for example, in New York, which is very competitive.

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<v Speaker 3>Come I got maybe maybe that's the case.

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<v Speaker 1>But come November twenty sixth, and the NRCC has to

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<v Speaker 1>spend money and people want airtime and they're begging for help.

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<v Speaker 1>Those four don't get any Sarah, I'll talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>one more time. Be poor Christmas, stay well. No one

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<v Speaker 1>else is Sarah Bedford.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, mich