WEBVTT - ANCIENT EVIL IS RETURNING—and America Opened the Door 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:19.960 Was Jesus Jewish as he seemed to consider himself, or 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.640 was he a Christian, perhaps a Christian who didn't use 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:26.720 the label. The traditional Christian view over the past two 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.880 thousand years is that Jesus was a Jew and also 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:34.400 the inspiration for the founding of Christianity. From this conjunction 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:38.920 we get the idea of Judeo Christianity, a connection both 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:44.520 historical and spiritual between Judaism and Christianity. The psychologist Jordan 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:48.040 Peterson stirred up a big ruckus on social media with 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:51.800 a recent post that defended the concept of Judeo christian 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:56.120 Peterson wrote quote with regard to Judeo Christian and then 0:00:56.160 --> 0:01:00.360 he added, the Ten Commandments are Jewish, the great worries 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:03.959 of the Old Testament are Jewish, and also Christ himself 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.160 was a Jew. Now this last part, well, really all 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:10.360 of it ruffle the feathers of a certain faction of Christians, 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:12.960 many of them catholic. I count in this group stalwarts 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.560 like Jack Bisobic, Mike Cernovich, an a count called mostly 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:20.520 Peaceful Memes. Candice Owens also weighed in, implying that some 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.120 cabal had grabbed Jordan Peterson from his hospital bed to 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:28.600 quote lecture us Christians about how we need to worship Jews. Well, 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.120 I agree that Jordan Peterson may not be the best 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:34.720 messenger here. He's reluctant to describe himself as a Christian. 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:39.120 He's more of an academic who is for Christianity rather 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.880 than someone who actually believes and practices it. Even so, 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:48.120 the question remains whether Peterson's claims are correct not. According 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.880 to the mostly peaceful Memes guy, he responds, quote the 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.360 ten Commandments are Christian, the greatest stories of the Old 0:01:55.440 --> 0:02:00.920 Testament are Christian, and further quote Abraham was Christian, Noah 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:05.960 was Christian, Adam was Christian, Moses was Christian, David was Christian. 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.360 And sure enough others weighed in to close out the 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:14.560 point by insisting Jesus was Christian. Indeed, the first Christian. 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.239 You can see it right there in his name christ Christian. 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:17.799 Get it. 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.240 Now. There's a problem here that comes from the failure 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.400 to read the Bible in the appropriate way. A failure 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.880 to read scripture correctly can have some very bad, even 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:32.520 catastrophic consequences. Consider the Church Father Origin, who was often 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:36.040 quoted by those who dismissed the jewishness of the Old 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.600 Testament and the jewishness of Jesus. Origin read a passage 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:43.000 in scripture which says that we should be quote eunuchs 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.240 for Christ, or more precisely than we should be quote 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.840 eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven. What did he do? 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.400 He promptly castrated himself. How do we know this? The 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:56.519 incident is recorded by another church father, Eusebius of Saysarea 0:02:56.639 --> 0:03:00.440 in his Ecclesiastical History. Eusebius notes that Origin wanted to 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.840 protect himself from sexual temptation, but most of all, he 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.640 wanted to be obedient to the scriptures. Scripture, however, can 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:11.440 be taken in a literal or metaphorical way. Evidently, Origin, 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:15.160 and reading literally what might have been intended metaphorically, ended 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:19.200 up losing his way and also his testicles. Speaking for myself, 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:22.560 I would hate to lose my testicles over misreading a text. 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.000 Since the Bible was first assembled, starting in the second 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.720 century and becoming a canonical or established text in the 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:33.520 fourth century, Christians have understood its books and passages can 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:38.200 be read in multiple ways. The Christian tradition holds there 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:42.080 is a fourfold way to read scripture. Dante calls this 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:46.240 the allegory of the theologians, and he distinguishes it from 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.320 the allegory of the poets. Now, poets generally use two 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.720 types of allegory, the simile, which is a direct comparison, 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:56.760 and the metaphor, which is an implied comparison. Both are 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.800 tools of the imagination of the poet. In that respect, 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:05.240 both are fictional. But scripture is something different from a poem. 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.720 Scripture can be read literally or historically. This is the 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.600 first way. A literal or historical reading takes the events 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.520 as real. This is what happened. The Bible is not 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:18.240 merely a work of imaginative literature, and describes real people, 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:23.040 real places, and real events. But there's also a metaphorical 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.880 or symbolic way to read scripture. This is the second way. 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:30.360 The metaphorical reading does not displace the literal, it enhances it. 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.640 If I say, for instance, that Jesus is the new Atom, 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:37.000 that means that Jesus stands symbolically in the place of Adam, 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:41.760 restoring man to his original condition of sinlessness through his 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.080 unique sacrifice on the cross. It doesn't mean that Adam 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.960 was a covert Christian, or that Adam was a Christian 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.880 without knowing it, or that Jesus somehow appeared in the 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.359 guise of the biblical figure that we call Adam. In 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.600 addition to the literal and metaphorical ways of understanding scripture, 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:01.839 there's also the moral understanding, which involves drawing more lessons 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.159 from episodes in the Bible. And finally, there is the 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:09.960 anagogical or eschatological understanding, which locates scriptural events within the 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.680 larger purpose or teleology of God's plan. So these are 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.960 the four ways, but again, each way complements the others, 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:21.240 none of them displaces the alternatives. Dante gives the example 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:25.080 of the Exodus, when Israel came out of Egypt. Historically 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:30.839 it happened. Metaphorically it is a symbol of spiritual liberation. Morally, 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:34.400 it teaches us the virtues of obedience and justice, and 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:38.080 escatologically it is part of the divine plan of rescuing 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.040 God's people from the bondage of the world and the 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.240 bondage of sin. Now let's come back to this question 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:49.320 of whether Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses were Christians. Literally no, 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:54.320 historically no. To claim that christian is simply anachronistic, Christians 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.080 are followers of Jesus and Jesus would not come into 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:01.000 the world until much later. So what might it mean then, 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.839 to say that Noah or Abraham will Christian One answer 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:08.240 might be that Noah or Abraham foreshadow the coming of Christ. 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.440 Noah's Ark, for instance, has often been viewed by Christian 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:15.560 theologians and writers as representing Christ. Just as the Ark 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:19.120 saved humanity from doom and destruction, Christ is the ark 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:23.400 that saves us from eternal doom and destruction. Okay, but 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.560 in this case it is not Noah. It is the 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.080 Ark that is Christ. So how does that make Noah 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.000 a Christian? If anything, it makes the ark the symbol 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.960 of Christianity and Noah is the guy who rode in it. 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.520 Does Noah become a Christian merely by writing in a 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:40.719 Christian boat? Abraham and Isaac are climbing the mountain, and 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:45.440 Isaac asks, where is the lamb for the sacrifice? Abraham responds, 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:50.880 God will provide. Christians often read this passage metaphorically. Jesus 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.200 is the Lamb of God who came to take away 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.919 the sins of the world. Jesus is the sacrifice. Yes, true, 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.640 But nowhere does that imply that the incident did not 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.520 occur or as described, the literal meaning is not erased 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:07.599 by the metaphorical one. Abraham ended up sacrificing a ram, 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.960 and that was an actual ram. It wasn't Jesus masquerading 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.120 as a ram. Moreover, in the scriptural reference, it is 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.720 the Lamb, not Abraham. Was compared to Christ, Jesus is 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:22.080 the Lamb. Jesus is not Abraham. Once again, how does 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.440 any of this make Abraham a Christian? Quite obviously, Abraham 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.680 had no idea of the christ to us to come 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.560 two thousand years later? Was Abraham a Christian without knowing it? 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.679 And the same can be asked about Moses and David. 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.520 To me, it makes no historical sense to call people 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.239 things they would never call themselves. I call this Islamic reasoning. 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.320 Muslims will sometimes say Jesus was a Muslim, Jesus is 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.960 a prophet in Islam. Well, Jesus would never have called 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.520 himself a Muslim, and it's wrong to retroactively dub him 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.360 that way. And by the same token, Abraham would never 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:56.960 have called himself a Christian. How can the man who 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:01.480 founded a community of Israelites later to be called Jews somehow, 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.360 thousands of years later be dubbed a Christian, a label 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.640 that did not exist in his time and would make 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:11.200 no sense whatever to him. The Bible says Abraham trusted God, 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.920 and God took this for righteousness. This suggests that even 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.520 if Abraham didn't know Christ, he trusted God with his care. 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:22.600 One might say that he anticipated the Messiah without knowing. 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.640 And now I'm fine with this theological understanding. But all 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.280 that it means is that Christ's saving grace was extended 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.520 not merely forward to those who came after him, but 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:37.600 also backward to some who came before him. There's no 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:41.200 implication here that any of these Jewish Old Testament figures 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:42.599 were somehow Christians. 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:43.280 Why not? 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:47.160 Isn't everyone who is saved by Christ automatically a Christian? 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.960 Isn't that what the term Christian means? And what about 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:54.440 the idea that Jesus himself was the first Christian? Well, 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.079 how can Jesus be the first Christian if he lived 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:01.720 two thousand years after Abraham and one thousand years after David. 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:06.120 If Abraham and David are Christians, then wouldn't they precede Jesus? 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.240 I guess the answer to that is that Jesus is 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.800 God and therefore he preceded Abraham and David even Adam. 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.240 Jesus has existed since the beginning of time. Indeed, he 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:19.400 created the universe and time itself. Again, I think we 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.760 are confusing the historical Jesus, Jesus, the Son of God 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.120 who came down from Heaven, with Jesus, who is God 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:30.520 and who reigns eternally in heaven. Yes, Jesus is fully divine, 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.960 but he also became fully human. The Gospels are an 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.120 account of what Jesus did from his birth around four 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:41.120 BC to his death around thirty two ADY. This Jesus, 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:45.320 this historical Jesus, was not merely a metaphor or symbol. 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.160 He was an actual person. He lived in a particular 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.840 place at a particular time. And yes, he was a Jew. 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.440 He was born into a Jewish family. His father's name 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.400 was Joseph, his mother was Miriam. He was the Eshua. 0:09:56.800 --> 0:10:00.679 This Jesus a Jewish food, kept Jewish rights, and celebrated 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.719 the Jewish holidays. This Jesus taught in synagogues, and he 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.079 taught out of the Hebrew Scriptures, which are the only 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.240 scriptures he had. This Jesus bathed in the pool of 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:12.480 Salom and walked the pilgrimage road to the temple, the 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.840 temple rebuilt by Herod on the site of the original 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:19.720 temple built by Solomon. No, this Jesus was not a Christian. 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.079 He was an inspiration for the founding of Christianity, a 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.880 group of followers who took that name. But that's not 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.320 the same thing. Marx was the founder of Marxism, but 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:33.319 doesn't follow that Marx was himself a Marxist. A Marxist 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.040 is a follower of Marx, and Marx himself was not 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.160 a follower of Marx. This might seem like a semantic 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.640 point of verbal trifle, but it is not. So let 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:45.400 me clarify. Let's put our philosophical hat on for a 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:49.000 minute and consider the statement Jesus is a Christian. Let's 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.080 test that statement for its logical meaning. If I say 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:55.440 that A is B, it follows that everything that's true 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.120 of B must also be true of A. If I 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.280 find things that are true of B but not of A, 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:04.240 than it cannot be that A is B. Now, let's 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:06.680 identify some things that are true of Christians and ask 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:12.280 are they also true of Jesus. Christians worship Jesus did 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:17.040 Jesus worship himself. No Christians model their lives on Jesus. 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:21.440 Did Jesus model his life on himself? No Christians are 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:26.360 saved by Jesus's sacrifice. Was Jesus saved by his own sacrifice? No, 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:31.360 Jesus didn't need salvation as Christians do. Jesus died for us, 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:36.080 he didn't die for himself. Conclusion, there are several things here, 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.800 and we can add more that are true of Christians 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.680 that are not true of Jesus. Therefore, it follows that 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.960 the premis Jesus is a Christian is simply not true. 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.400 It's illogical, it's incoherent. We should stop saying this. Jesus 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:52.200 is indeed the inspiration for Christianity, but he was not 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.440 himself a Christian, we learned from the Book of Acts. 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.000 But the first Christians were the ones at the church 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:02.000 in Antioch. The first Christians were Greek followers of Jesus. 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.560 Of course, they had been earlier followers of Jesus, but 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:08.280 those were mainly Jews. They were Jewish followers of Jesus. 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.559 The Apostles fall into this camp. They were the earliest 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.640 Jewish Christians, or as I like to call them, the 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.320 original Judaeo Christians. So you see, Judeo Christian is not 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.240 some made up term. It can quite literally be used 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:25.520 to describe the very first followers of Jesus. Archaeologists have 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.720 found the ruins the first century synagogues in Israel that 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.960 appointed not toward the site of the Second Temple, but 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.120 rather toward the Church of the Holy Sepulch or the 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:40.080 site of Jesus' crucifixion. This is where the earliest Judaeo Christians, 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:44.440 who preceded the Christians, worship Jesus the Messiah. The point 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.079 here is not to take sides in some petty debate 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:51.760 between Christian Zionists and Christian anti Zionists. I'm sometimes labeled 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:55.120 a Christian Zionist, and while I won't repudiate that label, 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.840 I've never called myself that. My interest here is in 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:02.319 preserving the historicity of christ hest and the historical veracity 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.640 of the Bible. I'm a Christian and a Christian apologist, 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.640 and I subscribe to what C. S. Lewis called mere Christianity, 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:13.040 the teachings of Scripture commonly held by genuine Catholics and 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.400 Protestants over two thousand years. What we learn from this 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.800 common heritage. This great tradition is to read the Bible 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:24.480 in a multi layered way, embracing the literal or historical truth, 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:29.560 while at the same time finding deeper, metaphorical and eschatological 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.520 meanings that can be read between the lines. There's great 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:37.000 wisdom in that Christian proverb. The New Testament is in 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:42.000 the Old concealed. The Old Testament is in the New reveal. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.440 The two testaments go together. The one is incorporated in 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.840 the other, and it is also fulfilled in the other. 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:53.280 As Christians professing the resurrected Christ, we can all, I hope, 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:57.080 agree on that. And that's the way I see it. 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.400 Why is it so complicated to get prescription medication? 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That's Deneshcrypto dot com. 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.000 Jonathan is a real pleasure too, would be chatting with you. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:02.280 Of course. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.239 I had the great pleasure of working with you on 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.720 the Dragon's prophecy A. I got to tell you when 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:13.040 I started Debbie and I had been to Israel in 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:17.080 late twenty twenty two. We were we got not just 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.360 that feeling of being in the land of the Bible, 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:22.760 but also a window into some of the exciting things 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:27.680 happening in biblical archaeology. But this was before October seventh, 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.600 and October seventh came along, and I got the idea 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:36.879 of doing a film that would somehow tie the past 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:43.320 biblical archeology with the current events, which is October seventh 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:47.119 and it's aftermath. And that's when I happened on the 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.240 Dragon's Prophecy, which tied the past and the present and 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:54.080 the future together in such an arresting and interesting way. 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:56.960 And that's what drew me into your work. 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:00.840 Yeah, it was. I mean, I think timing was the 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.280 Lord because it happened not only in the wake of 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:08.440 October seventh, but also the revival of anti Semitism all 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.399 over the world and in America anti Israel, and that 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:13.919 is just when when the Dragon's Prophecy came out. It 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:17.840 was like the most strategic for the Lord. And I 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.040 believe in what you did. You did an amazing job, 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.280 and I believe it's an important work. I mean that 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.119 will stand in important work. But you know, we are 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.639 in the midst of this gigantic drama that go a 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.840 war that goes back thousands of years. We're just spectators 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.320 of where it is now. But it's part of something 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:34.879 very big. 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.800 When we worked on the film, we had no idea 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:44.240 that you would see this upsurge of anti Semitism, not 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.840 just from the left, which is where one might expect it, 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:52.359 but a current of anti Israel and anti Jewish feeling 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:54.560 on the right. Yes, and we had to sort of 0:18:55.880 --> 0:19:00.119 grapple with it as we were putting this together and 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.719 import some of it into into the film. 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:05.560 And by the way, the film is. 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:09.919 On iTunes, it's on Amazon Prime. So for people who 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.680 haven't seen it, I think that there are profound themes 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:17.119 that you develop in that film that are that have 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:18.440 enduring significance. 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:20.800 I think it's yeah, and it's very powerful. I'd recommend 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:22.879 anybody who hasn't seen it. It's very powerful and it's 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.920 very important for this time. And you know, as you said, 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.360 we expect it on the left, I mean in our 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:31.080 in modern times. We didn't expect it so much in 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:34.119 the conservative you know, some of the touching some of 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:37.919 the conservatives and infiltrating some of the church, you know, 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.080 and this is really the backbone of the support of 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:45.400 Israel in America now is Conservatives and Christians Evangelicals more 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.640 than anything. If that goes you can see, you can see, 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:51.720 you could see the strategic spiritual warfare here. If that 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:55.879 gets weakened enough, that can separate American Israel, and that's major. 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:56.639 You know. 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:58.960 What I found is I went to a big anti 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:00.560 Semitism conference in Israel. 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:01.240 I was invited. 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.320 I was somewhat surprised to be invited because this is 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:10.840 not my normal topic. But what I found, the themes 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:14.720 in the film were very enlightening to people, because I 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.399 would talk to sort of secular Jews and I would say, 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:20.080 they'd be like, we're very disturbed by the rise of 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:21.240 anti Semitism. 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.080 And I would say, well, how do you explain it? 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.680 How to you explain not just the pervasiveness but the 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:30.200 vehemence of it, And most of them would answer beats me. 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:33.800 Like I don't get it, like why us? You know 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:34.720 why and why? 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:40.480 And of course there are some kind of secular explanations 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:42.520 rooted in envy and so on. 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:45.000 But they don't do full justice to this topic. 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.760 And I think the element that you introduced, which is 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:56.080 simply this has a spiritual and demonic element, a transcendental explanation. Yes, 0:20:56.600 --> 0:21:01.440 and I found even secular Jews quite capt evaded by 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:04.360 this idea that there's a way to look at it 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:09.119 that goes far beyond just the fact that, you know, 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:11.720 people who consider the Jews to be like the villains 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:12.159 of history. 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:15.320 Yeah, it's amazing, I mean yeah, because there's no I 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:18.160 mean what you just said there. You know, you could say, okay, 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.280 this one was jealous, this one was this, this one, 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:23.800 But nothing explains at all because it's been in every situation, 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:28.320 virtually every land, every age. You know, the ancient world 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:30.800 was different from the modern world. But the pagan world 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:35.520 hated Israel, hated the Jewish people, medieval world, the modern world, 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:40.040 the secular world. I mean, there's very few parallels between 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.600 someone like Hitler and say, you know an ancient pagan 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:46.720 you know, emperor or the Church in the Middle Ages, 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:50.360 but you know or Hamas. I mean, you know, these 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:52.960 are people who would not be eating together, you know, 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:57.840 but it doesn't matter. You know, in the communists hated 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:00.840 the Jews for being capitalists in the capitalist world who 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:03.240 just hate different things of their communists. You know, they 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:05.920 hate them from staying to taking to themselves. They hate 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:08.520 them for for for mixing in with it, with a 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:12.480 with a society. Doesn't matter, you know, because it's not natural. 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:15.280 And the Old and the Bible does give a very 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:18.240 clear thing. Revelation to weelve is incredibly clear. You know, 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:20.560 when you have a dragon attacking a woman who is 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:23.160 clearly Israel and so, and it makes I mean, once 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:25.680 you go into the spiritual it makes complete sense. I mean, 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:27.720 if there is a force of evil that's trying to 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:30.760 stop the purposes of God, and you have a nation 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:33.800 that exists by God for the purpose of fulfilling them, 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:36.600 you're going to have a war. And that that's exactly 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.680 what it is. You can't explain Hitler by natural means. 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:41.960 I mean, it's demonic. It is demonic. 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:46.480 The thing that grabbed me when I read the Dragon's 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:53.600 prophecy was simply the idea that the resurrection of the Jews, 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:58.359 God's people, on the one hand, is accompanied by a 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:02.640 dark resurrecttion of the enemies. 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:02.840 Of the Jews. 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:06.919 That's the part of it where suddenly the ancient past 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:14.000 biblical battles described in ancient books suddenly comes to life, 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:15.960 and you draw out. 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:18.400 In some detail these parallels. 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:23.560 Yes, child soldiers and the colors of the apocalypse, and 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:28.280 so many other, so many other parallels. Now, the book 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:31.359 I read right after that, the Dragon's Prophecy, was the 0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:33.560 one that we have in front of us, which is 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.919 the return of the Gods, which to me is a 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:42.639 kind of wide angled view of a phenomenon that you 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:46.720 examined in particular detail in the Dragon's Prophecy. But here 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:50.119 you're you're not just focused on Israel, You're not focused 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:50.879 on the Middle East. 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:52.440 You're taking in the world. 0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:59.320 Yes, and let's start by talking about the gods, because 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:03.960 by the gods and the word plural, here you are 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:11.200 invoking the ancient age of polytheism and paganism, the ancient Greeks, 0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:12.840 the ancient Romans. 0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:17.120 Who had not one god but many gods. 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:20.840