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Speaker 1: Peterson stirred up a big ruckus on social media with

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Speaker 3: And that's what drew me into your work.

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Speaker 2: and so so so therefore there's a whole nother realm

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00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 2: to it. And that's why when you look at pagan worship,

431
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: like when you look at where where you go, where

432
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 2: there's deep pagan and there's there today in the time centry.

433
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: There are places in the world where they still worship gods.

434
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 2: And the more they get into that worship, the more

435
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: demonic it becomes. They have they have possession, you know,

436
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: they believe in the gods possess them. Well, spirit demons possessed,

437
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: but you had. And the closer one got to the

438
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: worship of the gods, the more those those phenomenon was evidence.

439
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 2: Like when you looked at the high priestesses and the

440
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: oracles and they were people who were taken over, you know,

441
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: in the counts that we have, they were taken over.

442
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 2: They were foaming at the mouth and they were speaking

443
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 2: things you know from this spirit that they said was

444
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 2: the God possessing them. We know, these are not there's

445
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: no real other God. These are spirits. So all these

446
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: things are you know, bear witness what the Bible says,

447
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: this is a spiritual realm. There are spirits and that,

448
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: and that sets the stage actually explaining what's happening in

449
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 2: America and the West and the world that we are in.

450
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 3: I think for me what was eye opening about.

451
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Speaker 1: This is that it helped to explain a civilization and

452
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: a reality that has been camouflaged by modern academia. So

453
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: when I was in college, I took courses on Greek mythology,

454
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: and of course you learn about Zeus, and you learn

455
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: about Athena, and you learn about gods who seem to

456
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,959
Speaker 1: be personifications of nature, right the river God, the thunder God,

457
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: beside In the God of the Sea, and so on,

458
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: and all of this is presented in a very kind

459
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: of safe context, as if to say, you know, the

460
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: Greeks kind of believed in the sort of wacky concepts

461
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: of these gods who lived on Mount Olympus. Of course,

462
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: we've become more educated since then we realize all of

463
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: this is kind of nonsense. It's all very interesting, but

464
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: it all has this big stamp of mythology on it,

465
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: and the only thing you take seriously is the Greek philosophers,

466
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: who appear to be kind of moving away from the gods. Now,

467
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: the truth of it is that the philosophers were an

468
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: isolated group of men on the streets of Athens. But

469
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: the civilizations of Greece, I mean, the people worshiped these gods,

470
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: and there has to have been a real power there

471
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: for these gods to have endured for hundreds and hundreds

472
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: of years and were then taken over by the Romans.

473
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: And I think it makes much more sense to understand

474
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: these gods as spirits with genuine power, because that's how

475
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: people went into these sort of dithyrambic frenzies, not only

476
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: sexual orgies, but bloody sacrifices. And I have been to

477
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: some of the sites where those things occurred. So I

478
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: think you're familiar with the philosopher in Nietzsche, who I

479
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: think was onto this and in fact liked it. Nietzsche

480
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: was very anti Christian, so Nietzsche in some ways became an.

481
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: Apostle of.

482
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Speaker 1: Like revival of these ancient gemonic.

483
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: Spirits, right, yeah, And and Nietzsche was you know, yeah,

484
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: he said for those who don't know. He's the one

485
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: who said God is dead and and said get rid

486
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: of Christianity, you know, and he he he adored you know.

487
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: He he glorified the pagan paganism, pagan ideal, and he

488
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: and he actually glorified Dionysus. You know, I spoke. And

489
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: the interesting thing is that in and actually I spoke

490
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: about this in the Avatar, but that that Dionysus, according

491
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: to the ancient accounts, his followers would go insane. We

492
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: go into in this frenzy, but he would drive them

493
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: into insanity. Nietzsche goes insane. And and then at the

494
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 2: end of his writing career, instead of signing his name

495
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: Frederic Nietzsche, he signs it Dionysus, as if he was

496
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: taken over and the and and of course one of

497
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: the people who picked that up Nietzsche was Hitler and

498
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: the Nazis. He was their philosopher. And what did they

499
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: do They did exactly. They basically and even though they

500
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: couldn't say it outright, they basically were driving out God,

501
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: driving out Christianity. They tried to rename it. They tried.

502
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: They saw it as Jewish, which is great, and they

503
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: embraced a pagan ren reality of many of them went

504
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: to the Norse gods, the Germanic gods. And what was

505
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 2: the result of that. The result of it was a

506
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: demonic right, a demonic civilization that was responsible for the

507
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: death of millions. So it's a dangerous This is how

508
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: real it is. You look at Oh, it's just a

509
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: little fan. Look at what happened to Look at what

510
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: happened to Nazi Germany. It's a dangerous thing for a

511
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: quote Christian civil or Judeo Christian civilization. One has known

512
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: the word known to turn away because what comes back

513
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: comes back worse.

514
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: Let's focus on this word. We've talked about God's return. Yeah,

515
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: because you developed the argument that the rise of Christianity

516
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: and the spread of Christianity through the West and through.

517
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: The world.

518
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: Was a restraining even a shutdown of the pagan gods, right,

519
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: because it replaces well, first of all, polytheism is sort

520
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: of supplanted by monotheism, and Christianity in a way puts

521
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: the cork on tight on this sort of bottle full

522
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: of demonic genies, if I can use that expression.

523
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: The genie, by the way, means devil or demon in Arabic.

524
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: Oh, interesting, and so and this goes on, This goes

525
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: on for the better part of two thousand years. But

526
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: I think your use of the word return suggests that

527
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: somehow the genie is out of the bottle. Or to

528
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: put it differently, the influence of Christianity has waned. And

529
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: you talk about portals and about how demons need portals

530
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: to make their way into a civilization. Talk about demonic possession,

531
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: both of the individual level but also at the civilizational level.

532
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesus gives the parable. He says, there was a

533
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: man and he's delivered of a demonic spirit. Then it

534
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: says that the demonic spirit comes back, and the implication

535
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: and he finds him empty, which implies empty of God.

536
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: You know, there's nothing there. And so he was delivered.

537
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: So it says, let me bring the other ones back.

538
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: So he comes and brings his seven other demonic spirits

539
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: repossess the man. The man is eight times worse than

540
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: he was in the beginning. And so though it says

541
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: the end is worse than the beginning, he is now repossessed,

542
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: but worse. And then you think, okay, that's about a person.

543
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: It's a warning, you know, on one hand. If you've

544
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: known God, do not turn back. Yes, but it's more

545
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: than that, because he says so it shall be with

546
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: this generation. He's not just talking about a person. He's

547
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: some kind of a generation or that that involves cultural things.

548
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: So the ultimate, when you take that to its ultimate,

549
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: the warning is this any civilization, and particularly particularly it's

550
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: you know, it starts with the Western civilization, because Western

551
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: civilization was the one that were the gods. Clearly the

552
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: gods were driven out and if the if behind the

553
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: gods are spirits, then it was a it was like

554
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: a mass exorcism. The pagan paganism was driven out, you know.

555
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: And so yes, it's a it's a restraining force. So

556
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: so if we become like that person in the parable,

557
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: But if we should ever become empty, if if if

558
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: a nation or civilization or culture that has known God,

559
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: known the Word, known the spirit, and so if it

560
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: ever should empty itself of God, the house will not

561
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: stay empty. What was cast out of it will come

562
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: back into it, and except it'll come back worse. And

563
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: when when you and and to see that, we just

564
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: we just we we alluded to it. Look at Nazi Germany,

565
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: you know, you know, before before the Gospel, you have

566
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: you can have a caligula, you know. But after you

567
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: oppose Christians much more deadly or much more dangerous, you

568
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: have a Hitler, you have a stalin, you have an Antichrist.

569
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: You know. So what comes? Or so so America now,

570
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: now America is part of Western civilization, and so even

571
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: though it's born within Christianity, the roots are it's Western civilization.

572
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: And so if the West should ever and this is

573
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: it's not just the West now, it's the whole world.

574
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: But if if if it should ever empty itself of God, well,

575
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: what what did we do? What did America do? What

576
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 2: did it? Particularly around the starting around the sixties, it

577
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 2: became very blatant. We started driving God out of the house,

578
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: you know, took him out of the schools, took him

579
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: from the children that's the future, took them out of

580
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: the public square, took them out, you know, on and

581
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: on and on and so you know, we thought, Okay,

582
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: it'll just be secular. Yeah, but but but what the

583
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 2: warning of Jesus is it will not stays quote secular neutral.

584
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen. It's not gonna say neutral. What

585
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: was cast out will come back in and what we

586
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: have been witnessing. I mean, you take you take God

587
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: from the from the school, something else will come into

588
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: the schools. It won't be neutral. Take God from the children,

589
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: something else will come to the children, you know. So,

590
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: so the thing is that that you take God from

591
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: from the movies, from Hollywood, something else will come. I

592
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: mean we're so. So the thing is that what we

593
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: have been witnessing, what this would tell us, and this

594
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: is exactly what's happening. Is what we are witnessing now

595
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: is what we've been witnessing for about a half century. Overall,

596
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: there's been rollback right now, but it's it's still the

597
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: overall is it's a repaganization. When you look at the

598
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: values that have shifted. Its shifted from a Christian based

599
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 2: value on everything, marriage, on life, on everything to a

600
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: pagan based morality. And worse than that, it's a repossession.

601
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: So we see because that's exactly what would happened. What

602
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: so what we see things and we say and you know,

603
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 2: that's crazy, it's irrational. What what you know, whether it's

604
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: woke is that's crazy what they're saying. But it's it's

605
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: it's exactly what we expect because this is a repossession.

606
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: You know, if you take God out, others will come in.

607
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: And that's what we're that's what we are all dealing with.

608
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: Let's look at the ways in which some of the

609
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: key pagan deities are now coming back or have come back.

610
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: They're very evident in the world in a kind of

611
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: new and disguised form. They're not identified as such. Nobody

612
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: looks and goes aha, that's that's.

613
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: This particular deity.

614
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: And I think this is one of the sort of

615
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: intellectual breakthroughs of this book, The Return of the Gods,

616
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: is that you don't just say we're seeing a kind

617
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: of new type of Ouiji board that our civilization has

618
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: been has been spinning, and we now have a kind

619
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: of invasion of the old demonic spirits. You identify them

620
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: one by one and let's talk about yeah, really three

621
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: of them or a four manifestations. So the first one

622
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: a name that most people will recognize. It comes out

623
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: of Elijah's contest with prophets, and that is bal or Bail,

624
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: the prophets of Bail. And but I don't think many

625
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: people understand what does Bail represent?

626
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: Who was bail and what is the modern form of Bail.

627
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: Bail was the king of the gods of the Canaanizes.

628
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 2: He was the god. He was, he was the represented

629
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: the anti god to the God of Israel. He was

630
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: the always the one that kept turning two. So he

631
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: represents someone. I mean, he is the kind of the

632
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: embodiment for Israel of paganism. I mean, it's Bail and

633
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: the gods. Bail is always first and then come all

634
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: the gods. So he's really the he's he's like that

635
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: in the parable. He's like the spirit that comes back

636
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: and brings his friends, you know. So it's the portal.

637
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 2: Bail is a god. So all of the things of

638
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: paganism start entering Israel. See Israel is the case study

639
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: in the Bible. You know what they did when they

640
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: turned away from God. This what's what's happening now in America.

641
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: Happened to them. It's just happening in a modern form.

642
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 2: So here's the god of materialism, cardinality. You know, when

643
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,959
Speaker 2: you have Bail, you had sensuality, it's gonna it's gonna

644
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: lead to to the others. But also but paganism has

645
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: there's so much. Once you get to this change, it

646
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: affects everything. For instance, in monotheism, one God, one truth,

647
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: you know, very simple paganism, politism, you have many gods,

648
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: many truths. So now you have every you have this

649
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: thing developing, well, well that's your truth. That's not true,

650
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: you know that that's that's that's their truth. You know,

651
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: if a woman thinks she's a cat, that's her truth,

652
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: that's her personal truth. Uh, that's pagan you know. The idea.

653
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: So the idea for instance, that when you take God out,

654
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: everything becomes God. You know, you take God out, God's

655
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: come of everything. You know, people worship, so you have

656
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: you have for instance, pagan worship is the earth worship

657
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: of the earth. You know, you have earth worship in

658
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: modern forms. Theification of the body, deification exactly, deification of

659
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: the self, Relativism, you know, subjectivism that there's no real

660
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: truth with that, the the you know you have for instance,

661
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: one of the things with Bail is he was represented

662
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: by a bull, a molten bull. You know, you have

663
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 2: the you have the golden calf in Egypt, that's all,

664
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: but then you have a molten bull all all over Israel.

665
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: It was all over when they turn away from God.

666
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: Interesting because if you go to New York City, you

667
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: will find a molten bull there. And it's interesting because

668
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: it's not that they meant they mean it or they

669
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: know it, but it's the side in the Bible of

670
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 2: a nation that's turning away from God, you know, and

671
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: also worshiping materialism. Bail is the god of gain, you know,

672
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: you know, you know, there's nothing wrong with gain in itself,

673
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: but gain becoming an idol, you know, you know, materialism.

674
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: So and that's so, you know, when when we start turning,

675
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: when a quote Christian civilization starts turning, it's first subtle, okay,

676
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: with God, but but this, you know, but money becomes worship.

677
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with money, but worship of money, yes, worship

678
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: of the material, worship of where where where it's sensuality

679
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: without morality, you know. Uh. With that, the the the

680
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: word bail baal means lord or master, you know, or

681
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: or possessor or owner. I think in the return of God,

682
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: I call him the possessor comes into possess. One of

683
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 2: the things is that that when you turn away from God,

684
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: you become possessed by by by anything. What you worship

685
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 2: becomes your lord. And so we also another part of America,

686
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: what's happened since we is we became a nation of

687
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: addiction more than ever before addicted, I mean in every

688
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: possible way, substance of use, but every other way. And

689
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: so it rules over what you think you're When you

690
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 2: turn away from God, you're ruled by You become more

691
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: ruled by lower things, you know, and Bulgary, you watch

692
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: what happens with Israel is the culture goes to goes look,

693
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 2: goes to a vulgarism. You know, it goes from a

694
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: high you know, spiritual to vulgarism. And uh, you know,

695
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: everyone everyone did what was right in their own eyes.

696
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: Every everyone becomes a god. You know. One of the

697
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: things about the pagan world, and is that Paul when

698
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: he was on Mars Hill, I just actually came back.

699
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: I've never been, I mean from Marcil and pergam In

700
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: by the way. But but Paul is addressing the pagan world,

701
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: and one of these things he says is, you know,

702
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: basically he talks about man worshiping the works of his hands.

703
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: And the word he uses in Greek for for idols

704
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 2: the worship is the word techne, from which of course

705
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: we get technology and tech and what the what the

706
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: principle is that will end up without God. We end

707
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: up instead of technology serving us, we end up worshiping

708
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: and serving our technology. And so what happens, So we've

709
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: been watching also a culture becoming addicted to technology. We're

710
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: watching a generation with that. And the other thing it

711
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: says is that in the in the Bible says they

712
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: became like their idols. The person who worships the idol

713
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: becomes like their idols, you know, says that they're dumb

714
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: and they're but but so we so a towny. We

715
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 2: have a generation right now that's becoming addicted to It's

716
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: not just them, but they were addicted to technology, addicted

717
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: to their phones, and they're becoming more like the machine.

718
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: They're becoming less able to have personal relationships while the

719
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: machine or our technology is becoming more human like taking

720
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: more powers from humanity. So we're having a high tech

721
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: version of basically idolatry. You know. So when Bail gets

722
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: in the door, everything, well, the other thing is is

723
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: he drove out, it drove out God. You know. So

724
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: what we've been watching you let him in a little

725
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: bit again. And the thing about these these spirits, just

726
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: like you'd imagine a demonic spirit, is you know, once

727
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: you let them in the door, they don't they won't

728
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: just stay there. So first one this came, it was

729
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: all the name of tolerance. You know, everybody do your

730
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: own thing. It's just free. But then it, you know,

731
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: it starts moving to another, a new intolerance where now

732
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: God is not tolerated. God is driven out. You know,

733
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 2: God's name is driven out, God's ways are overturned. It's

734
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: exactly what happened to Israel. Once you give an inch

735
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: to the to any of these things, it's tolerance is

736
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: not is only to get in the door of a

737
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: Christian civilization. Once he gets in, it's every niche shall

738
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: bow in the end, you know, a cancel culture, political

739
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 2: every niche shall bow, every tongue shall confess.

740
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean to me, it's striking, how you know, if

741
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: we can summarize bail as representing, let's say, the spirit

742
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: of apostasy, right, this apostasy, this rebellion appears to be

743
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: directed solely at the monotheistic Christian God. So an atheist

744
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: is not an atheist against polytheism. In fact, their polytheism

745
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: is never their target. They're never trying to prove that

746
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,959
Speaker 1: the that the many gods of the ancient world were fabricated.

747
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: They're never trying to say, well, what is the archaeological support,

748
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: let's say, for Hinduism. They're they're they're they're battering Ams

749
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: are on the monotheistic and specifically Christian God.

750
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 3: And that tells you that it's a.

751
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: Particular that it's a religious war in a sense against

752
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: a particular God.

753
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean, I mean to the point where

754
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: you could have people who are very radical, whether atheist

755
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: or woke, and they'll they'll join with Muslims, you know,

756
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: because whatever is against Christianity is what they will join to.

757
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: And you have things in this in our school system

758
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: now where they were teaching children things from Muslim Islamic

759
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 2: worship or pagan worship. But never, you know, never, never

760
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: christianita Helm. Remember, take take this back, you know, a

761
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: little while back, relative historically you had you had the

762
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: nation's secular teachers across the school system teaching the children

763
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 2: the Lord's prayer, leading the children in the Lord secular lead.

764
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: That's how much it was. And look how far now

765
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: it would be. It would be an abomination, you know,

766
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: wo to those who call evil good and good evil.

767
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: And the thing is that you know, the the first

768
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: phase is calling evil good. Well except this, it's okay,

769
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: let's be tolerant. But the next stage it always leads to,

770
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 2: now we will call good evil. So it is absolutely,

771
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: it is absolutely a spiritual war. And the thing is

772
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: in some of the things that we've seen with wokeism

773
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: now because that it's a more developed phase of it

774
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: now where they're saying like basically, again, truth doesn't exist,

775
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 2: that's your truth, my truth, but also reality doesn't exist.

776
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: You know, if I call it this, this is what

777
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: it is, which is crazy. You know. There's no male

778
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: or family, which we'll get into, but but this is

779
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: all but it's it's it's paganism returned, you know, and

780
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: and with a as you said, in a spirit of apossle.

781
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: You know. The other thing about Bail is that later

782
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: his name became joined to almost anything. Whenever whatever you worship,

783
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: Bail you have it's a bail of this. It's the

784
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: bale of this. But then you have bail, you have

785
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: bales above or Bel's above that which is talking about Satan.

786
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: When Jesus speaks about belz above or bel bels of

787
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: both to the idea, it's Bail it's bail Bail. It's

788
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 2: from an ancient worship of ba alve Bail, bi al Zebob,

789
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: that's lord of the flies or lord of or the

790
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 2: and then Baozavol. Same thing. So when he told you

791
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: so that it becomes the name of Satan. So when

792
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: you look, when you say it rightfully, that this is

793
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: the spirit of apostasy. It's to whatever behind behind the

794
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: gods are spirits, and behind the kings of the gods.

795
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: Even more so is the lord of spirits, which is Satan.

796
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: And so so it is apostsey, it is directed, and

797
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 2: these are masks.

798
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: Let's go in a slightly different order than you cover

799
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: in the book to the second demonic spirit that is

800
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: alive and well in our culture today, and that is

801
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: Moloc or Moloch. And my image of Moloch is a

802
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: kind of grand beast that represents blood and war and destruction.

803
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: Is that a Is that an accurate picture of Moloch

804
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: and what he represents?

805
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: Well? In one sense, I mean, I mean, in the

806
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: ultimate spiritual sense, all the gods ultimately to destruction. But

807
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: then you have gods which are particularly in their lore

808
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: and worship, are l monarch means king, interesting like Baal

809
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: means Lord, and yes, it is the god of I

810
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: would say, the spirit of destruction, the spirit of death,

811
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: and the spirit and and particularly the destruction of the

812
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: innocent and of of life, the future children. And and

813
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: what happened is when Israel turned away from God. I mean,

814
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: this is how demonic it is. They end up, they

815
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: end up offering up their own children to Moloch. And

816
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: and that's where you know, judgment came upon them because

817
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: of that. I mean, I mean, you know that the

818
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: valley of Hinnom, which which becomes a symbol of hell,

819
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: that's where you get you know, Gehenna value. Where they're

820
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: where they're offering up their children in the fires, you know,

821
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: and they have ancient descripted. The Greeks had ancient descriptions,

822
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: you know. The Greeks, you know, also killed their children

823
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 2: in fanticide. But they they have, you know, accounts of

824
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: this where they put their children, according to the accounts,

825
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: on the bronze hands of the idol god, and that

826
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: God is heated up, you know, Mullik or Bell is

827
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: heated up, and then the child rolls into the flames

828
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: and they celebrate and they worship demonic you know what

829
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 2: is more demonic than a parent, a mother offering up

830
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: their child to be killed. And why did they do it.

831
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: They did it because they believed they were pleasing the God,

832
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: and the God would reward them with fertility of their fields,

833
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: with gain prosperity. So how can this translate to us, Well,

834
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 2: no accident, it's no ane that as we turned away

835
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 2: from God, and as it happened in the West, it

836
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: happened in other nations, happened in America at the same

837
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 2: historic moment we turn away from God. What follows We

838
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: begin offering up our children in the form of abortion. Now,

839
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: that never would have been with christian if if the

840
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 2: Gospel was reigning over because it was actually the Gospel

841
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: that that ended infanticide, ended abortion, the killing of children.

842
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 2: This never would have happened if the Gospel was still

843
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 2: ruling the culture. And because when when Christianity came in

844
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: to the pagan world, one of the things that one

845
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: of the first things is that it ended the killing

846
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: of children in fanticide, ended the killing of the of

847
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: the week, ended the ended abortion. But as we turned

848
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: away from God, we begin we'recrific literally sacrificing our children,

849
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: mothers doing this you know, lifting it up fathers. Uh.

850
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 2: And it's not only abortion, because the gods or Moloch

851
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: is against children to begin with. And we've watched children

852
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 2: become subject to you know, first of all, destroying marriage,

853
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: destroying all the children. You have, broken children, you have,

854
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 2: you have more abuse of children, all that sexual abuse

855
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: and you have, and you have ultimately the killed of children.

856
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 2: And the amazing thing is that back then they considered

857
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: this a sacrament. I mean, this is a holy thing

858
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: to kill our to kill our baby. Well, when you

859
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: look at the writings one of the things I put

860
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: in the book of some of the key abortionists, they

861
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: and radical feminists, they will speak of abortion as holy,

862
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: as sacred, and literally as a sacrament.

863
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, let me give you a proof

864
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: of this, which goes back some years when I was

865
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: in the Reagan White House and I had a bunch

866
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: of the uh.

867
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 3: Sort of feminist activists.

868
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: In there, and they were all demanding federal funding, you know,

869
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: for abortion, and I said, you know, we're not going

870
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: to be doing this, and they go, but.

871
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 3: It's a constitutional right, and I said, well.

872
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: We have.

873
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: I'd say, let's let us, as a thought experiment, go

874
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: along with that. It's a constitutional right. But we have

875
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: many other constitutional rights. It's the right to free speech,

876
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: the right to freedom of religion, the right to assemble,

877
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: and I said, and none of those are subsidized by

878
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: the government. So, for example, if you want to exercise

879
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: your right to free speech, the government isn't going to

880
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: pay you to start a newspaper.

881
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: You have to do that on your own dime. And

882
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 3: you have the.

883
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: Freedom of religion and worship, but you've got to build

884
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: your own church. The government isn't going to pay for that.

885
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: In fact, it's prohibited from doing that. So why do

886
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: you take abortion, which is frankly not even in the constitution,

887
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 1: and not only claim that it's a right, but it seems,

888
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: according to you to be a super right because it

889
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: is the one right that, unlike all the others, demands

890
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: federal subsidy. But to your point, they're elevating it above

891
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: a right to something, approaching a sacrament.

892
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: And in effect, Yeah, and then in fact they believe it,

893
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: say they speak of it as a sacred as a

894
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: sacred thing. That's why you know everything went crazy when

895
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 2: Roe versus Wad was overturn. Yeah, and if you're going

896
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: by rights, I mean, as you said rightfully. You know,

897
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 2: in the Constitution there are rights the amendments, and it's

898
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: you know life, yeah, liberty, suit happenings, but also free speech.

899
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 2: So all that goes to the what happens to the

900
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 2: baby's rights? You know, all the rights the constitutions are

901
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 2: actually there. If this is a person, which it is,

902
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: they have that as well. So this is something in peace.

903
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 2: Well can you compare what they did back then to

904
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: with Molek, Well, they killed thousands of their babies. We

905
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 2: have killed over sixty five million of ours, you know,

906
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: and this is what you know again, this is what

907
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: brought judgment and destruction to Israel. You know, it was

908
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 2: Mullik and we have exceeded. We have exceeded that and

909
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 2: in the West. So it's not an accident. When a

910
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 2: nation turns away from God, it particularly it begins to

911
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: do it. And you know, the first nation to have

912
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: legalized abortion, it was the Soviet Union. Here the nation

913
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: that they got rid of God. And they then they

914
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 2: got rid of because because because when you get rid

915
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: of you quote get rid of God, you get rid

916
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 2: of people. You know, because when when God is there

917
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: then not there, then the worth of life is starts going.

918
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 2: Look at what happens that every nation that has gone

919
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: to totally atheism, I mean the major examples, well Notzi

920
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 2: Germany going away from God, uh Russia, Soviet Union going

921
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 2: clearly away from God. There's no more value, you know,

922
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 2: you know, there's no the life has no more value.

923
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 3: The preciousness of life, scacty.

924
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: Of life is gone in a million ways, but it's

925
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: reflected by the death of the innocent the week, the

926
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: most weak are the ones who pay the price.

927
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 3: We've covered bail, We've covered molech.

928
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: Let's not talk about a less familiar deity from the

929
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: pagan world, and.

930
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 3: That is Ishtar. Who is Ishtar and what does Ishtar represent?

931
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: Ishtar is one of the oldest deities ever worshiped from

932
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: We know in an and many forms. You know, in

933
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 2: in Sumera, in Sumeri, it was Inana. In the Bible,

934
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: she's in the Bible ashtoreth At, which is Ishtar basically

935
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 2: in the Phoenicians a star. But then we do know

936
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 2: her in other forms, like like Venus and Aphrodite. That

937
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 2: was another form of it, a little bit more sanitized,

938
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: but still and so so. Ishtar is the goddess of sexuality,

939
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: of sexual immorality. She's a prostitute. She's a heart lit goddess,

940
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: a prostitute goddess. She's also the goddess of destruction at

941
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 2: the same times. I mean she it's sexuality with unbridled

942
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 2: sexual lust and destruction. She's a warrior at the same time.

943
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: And the thing is that, So this is this is,

944
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 2: this is the in the spiritual realm, the principality that

945
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: drives sexual morality, that drives UH, the turning away of

946
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 2: a nation from God through the realm of sexuality. UH

947
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: seduces it through the realm of sexuality. So what happens,

948
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: and you know the thing you'll see in the Bible,

949
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: It'll say Bail and Ashtoreth. In the Bible, you see

950
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 2: bail first and then often followed by Ashtoreth, the goddess.

951
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 2: So so first you have Bail turning away from culture,

952
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: turns away from God. Bail. Then what happened to America

953
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: that we'd expect it to happen. You have this quote

954
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: sexual revolution, same time not an accident. And so you

955
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 2: have you have the which is the overturning of Biblical

956
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 2: values concerning sexuality, concerning marriage, concerning male concerning female taking

957
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 2: over our culture happened in the sixties, just as just

958
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 2: as we started driving God out and so so Ishtar

959
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: is the because she's a prostitute goddess. So what does

960
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: the prostitute do? Take sexuality out of the marriage covenant

961
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: and into the widespread culture or the marketplace. So what

962
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 2: happened to America? Sexuality starts being removed from from being

963
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 2: in the domain of the marriage covenant. It sexualizes the culture.

964
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: You know, where did all that sexuality come from? The

965
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: marriage bed? You know, so marriage gets weakened, the glue

966
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: that holds together society, and sexuality infuses everything, the marketplace, everything,

967
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 2: Uh with that Also, she was she was Uh, she

968
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: was one who was as ultimately her effect on marriage

969
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: was destructive. It also separates man and woman. It says

970
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 2: she's something man where actually she vibes she was actually

971
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: very she was very masculine in her she she she

972
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: in her in her way, she's a warrior. So so

973
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: she would seek to usurp you know, uh, masculinity. And

974
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: so you start seeing you start seeing the the the

975
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: destruction of male female relationships. In the sixties, you have

976
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 2: radical feminism, trying to overturn everything between and he just

977
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: sinks you between the gender. By the way, Ishtar was

978
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 2: also the goddess of pornography, you know, in fact, in

979
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 2: the ancient Greeks called her, called her the sacred har

980
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 2: lit or in Greek pornee. And so, and the first

981
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 2: pornography on planet Earth that we know about is the

982
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 2: word is from the writings concerning Ishtar. So, so pornography

983
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 2: now comes in, takes over the culture, and that spreads

984
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: as it has never spread before to this day. And

985
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: so you have that also. By the way, she was

986
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 2: also the goddess of of intoxication and and and you

987
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 2: have sex, draw drugs. You know, you have that in

988
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 2: the culture. But then you have all that happening beginning

989
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: in the sixties, particularly or exploding in the sixties. But

990
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 2: you have something else, because there's an an even darker

991
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: side to this goddess. In her ancient inscriptions, it says

992
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: she says, I am a woman, I am a man.

993
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: In one of the hymns, it says, you are praises her.

994
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: You are the You are the goddess who turns a

995
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: man into a woman. You turn a woman into a man,

996
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: and so she is the goddess who not only of sexuality,

997
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 2: but who who emerging gender, male and female, confusing male

998
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 2: and female, replacing one with the other, the distinction between

999
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 2: man and women, boy and girl. She is that goddess.

1000
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 2: And so and you don't it's interesting when you look

1001
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 2: at America or the West, turning from God. At the beginning,

1002
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's marriage. It's it's now sex uside

1003
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: of marriage. It's sex on here. But as it gets,

1004
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 2: as it keeps going, it goes to the deeper work.

1005
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: And so what's happening, what's happened in recent times is

1006
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 2: just the flowering of what began back then in the sixties.

1007
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: And we start to it was always going to go

1008
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: there if we let it. And so what's happening, what

1009
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 2: happens now is the deeper work, and it's the it's

1010
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 2: the merging of male and female. And so what she

1011
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 2: had a priesthood, and her priesthood were men who dressed

1012
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: up as women in drag. They would dance publicly. People

1013
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 2: would take their children to see them, men in drag.

1014
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 2: And we don't know if it was libraries, but it

1015
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 2: was in the temples of Ishtar. And we all and

1016
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 2: and at the same time she had had her priests

1017
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 2: who were also men who were transitioned surgically into quote

1018
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: women and so and and dressed as that all that,

1019
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 2: and and so you have all that, and you have

1020
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: other very very stunning things about this this goddess when

1021
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 2: you look at what's happening and what's happened in our culture. Uh,

1022
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 2: she was the goddess of parades, you know, parades that

1023
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 2: merged that that confused gender with color and all these things.

1024
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: It actually one of one of the ancient accounts has her.

1025
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: It says that has men, the men who were the

1026
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: transitioned men who were dancing with scalpels, you know, before her, uh,

1027
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: celebrating their transition. You know, uh, you have. She was

1028
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: also the goddess who was connected to a sign, the

1029
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 2: sign of the rainbow. And so now now the rainbow

1030
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 2: belongs to God. But this is this is the She

1031
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 2: was also the goddess goddess in the mythology interesting who

1032
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,959
Speaker 2: took what belonged to other gods to herself. So she's

1033
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: the goddess of the ra so the rainbow becomes the

1034
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 2: sign taking over the culture. She's also the goddess of

1035
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 2: a particular month where where she possessed the culture. There

1036
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 2: were there were processions, and it's almost like the spirit

1037
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 2: of Ishtar, you know, in the ancient takes over the women.

1038
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 2: You remember when in the Bible it says that the

1039
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: women are weeping for Tamos. Well, Tamos was the lover

1040
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 2: of Ishtar, of Ashtora. So it's like the possession of

1041
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 2: it takes over it. Well. The month that this all

1042
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 2: happened was called the month of Tamos okay named after

1043
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 2: and today it corresponds with the month of June, you know,

1044
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 2: one of the which she's she also got us a

1045
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 2: pride pride month, and a month of sexual alteration. You know,

1046
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: this is the month June. In fact, one of the

1047
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 2: ancient early Church writers writes, he writes of the procession

1048
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 2: of these things happening, and he says it happened in

1049
01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 2: the month of union or June, literally June. So what

1050
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 2: we are watching is is the return of what was,

1051
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 2: you know, but even even in a even in a

1052
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 2: deeper way. And the thing is that that we are

1053
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 2: because I don't we don't know they had they had

1054
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 2: they had altered marriage, you know, which we have altered,

1055
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: you know. And and by the way, all these things,

1056
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 2: you know, the interesting thing is that the what really

1057
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 2: gave entrance to all this, you know, as many of

1058
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 2: many people know, is Stonewall, you know. And and Stonewall

1059
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: were the riots that began the movement of altering basically sexuality.

1060
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: And the thing is that there when you look at it,

1061
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 2: one of things there's in that night when it all happened.

1062
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Speaker 2: They are all these signs of the goddess ishtar, I mean,

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Speaker 2: all of it.

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Speaker 3: The symbolism of Istar all over the place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she she was meaning she was, she was the

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Speaker 2: goddess of of inns or or bars or taverns. It

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Speaker 2: starts in the stone wall in you know, she's she's

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Speaker 2: she's linked to the storm. Some people they called her.

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Speaker 2: She's she's the person of the storm. The woman who

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Speaker 2: triggered this, if you re her, was named storm or

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Speaker 2: storm may there and at one of the points actually

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Speaker 2: the epic of Gilgamesh, you know, famously where where he's

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Speaker 2: talking about the goddess, he calls her a like a

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Speaker 2: brick in the stone wall, you know, And here was Stowall.

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Speaker 2: It happens, you know, the the key month. They said

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Speaker 2: when it happened June. Okay, And it happens, you know,

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Speaker 2: when when you approach the end of June. It it

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Speaker 2: goes to the a pagan very high intense pagan time,

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Speaker 2: which is the which is the summer solstice, you know,

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Speaker 2: and that's what it was considered at its peak. Well,

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Speaker 2: this thing happens right around the days of the solstice,

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Speaker 2: the peak of the month of Ishtar, you know, at

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Speaker 2: it began. This is there's something also here. It began

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Speaker 2: June twenties, June twenty six, I believe when when the

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Speaker 2: when the man who was going to do the raid,

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Speaker 2: which is what triggered everything, he got the he got

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Speaker 2: the warr and it was all signed for I think,

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Speaker 2: I believe June twenty six. Interesting thing because the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court made three major decisions which altered sexuality. It was

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Speaker 2: over like a twelve year period from the early two

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Speaker 2: thousands to twenty fifteen with the overturning of marriage as

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Speaker 2: we have known it. And the first one happened I believe,

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Speaker 2: on June twenty sixth, same same time that the second one,

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Speaker 2: same exact date, and the third one same exact date.

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Speaker 2: They all happened on the same day the same day,

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Speaker 2: and actually in ancient from the ancient writings, it says

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Speaker 2: that that that day or I have to or actually

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Speaker 2: on the Babylonian and Hebrew calendar. Okay that remember remember this,

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Speaker 2: Remember when at that that night they lit up the

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Speaker 2: White House with the rainbow, you know, almost saying we're

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Speaker 2: giving it to the gods, you know, America. But that

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Speaker 2: night it was it was it was a day on

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Speaker 2: the Babylonian calendar, which in the Babylonian riting says that

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Speaker 2: day is for the casting of a spell to turn

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Speaker 2: a man to lust after a man, and that was

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Speaker 2: the day that marriage was overturned, or that was the

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Speaker 2: night I mean so, and it's not that anybody knew it,

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Speaker 2: it's not that anybody's trying to do it. But there's

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Speaker 2: a whole nother realm. There's a whole nother spiritual realm.

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Speaker 1: Let's bring this home as we close out, and let

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Speaker 1: me ask you as we become aware that we are

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Speaker 1: seeing these ancient demonic spirits in our world today and

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Speaker 1: they have the run of the world for the most part.

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Speaker 1: And to me, it's also interesting to see how these forces.

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Speaker 1: It could be that the withdrawal of Christianity unleashes let's say,

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Speaker 1: for example, the storm of sexuality, right, But then the

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01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: storm of sexuality itself becomes a weapon against God, because

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Speaker 1: if you think about why do people.

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Speaker 3: Rebel against the Ten Commandments?

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Speaker 1: If not, it's almost a sort of you may say,

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01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: pelvic rebellion. For the most part, nobody's nobody looks at

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01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: ten commandments go and says, you know, lying is a

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Speaker 1: really great idea.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's the whole.

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Speaker 1: Thing about thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife. That

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Speaker 1: is the commandment that seems to be particularly for young people.

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Speaker 1: But I think across the culture a great engine of

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Speaker 1: hostility to Christianity comes right out of that. If Christianity

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Speaker 1: were to give way on that, you might find people

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01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: being a lot more kind of open to it. But

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01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: that just shows you the importance of that of the

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01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: architecture of marriage as a foundation of civilization.

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Speaker 3: But as we close out, let me.

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Speaker 1: Ask you, where then does our hope lie? Does it

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Speaker 1: lie in a recommitment? I mean, we have to obviously

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Speaker 1: shut the portal, right, isn't that isn't that the only solution?

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Speaker 2: And it's so many things you said, Let me say

1138
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 2: one thing here with absolutely right. You know, Ishtar, remember

1139
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 2: was a was not just the goddess of sexuality, she

1140
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 2: was the god of war. So it's a weapon. So this,

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01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: this sword of Ishtar, what we've been watching has been

1142
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 2: used against believers and religious freedom more than probably anything.

1143
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 2: It's there's a reason for that. It is all linked

1144
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 2: to It is linked to the same principality it is.

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01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 2: It becomes a weapon. Yea. And when the Gospel came

1146
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 2: into the pagan world, it was a it was the

1147
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 2: first sexual revolution. It was a revolution that changed everything,

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01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 2: actually gave worth to you know, worth to women, worth

1149
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 2: to the sanctity of marriage. It actually liberated people from

1150
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 2: the bondage of sexual immorality and sexual slavery. So this

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01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 2: is the other this is now the other side. One

1152
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 2: to keep in mind what we are dealing with now

1153
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 2: when you talk about the return of the gods actually

1154
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 2: very biblical because when you look at the Bible, they

1155
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 2: were all dealing with it, whether it's Moses and the

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01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 2: gods of Egypt, Elijah and the gods of Canaan, or

1157
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 2: Paul and the gods of Rome. You know, we're all

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01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 2: or the Maccabees and the gods of greed. It's all

1159
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 2: that was more than norm We've been living in an

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01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 2: exception because of the Gospel. So it puts us in

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01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 2: the realm of where the prophets were, and so we

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01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 2: have to be radical, I mean loving, but radical like

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01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 2: the prophets. It's very biblical, you know, the people of God.

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01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 2: To stand for God, you have to stand against the gods.

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Speaker 2: And they come in many forms, the sacred cows of

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01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 2: the culture, whether it's wokeism, and we have to be

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01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 2: the one like the child who says the emperor has

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Speaker 2: no clothes. You know, everybody goes along with it. We

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01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 2: have the ones to say no. You know, we have power,

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Speaker 2: the power of God. You know, there's an ancient Hebrew

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Speaker 2: worship actually from Moses. It says bha Alim I donna

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Speaker 2: i belim, who is like you, Lord among the gods?

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Speaker 2: You know, our God is greater. We have the real God.

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01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 2: We have the power. And even if we look like

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01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 2: we're the underdog in the culture, we are not the

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01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 2: under dog in eternity. We are on the side of

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01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 2: the Almighty, and so we have that power. We have

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01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 2: to be more like that. And the other thing is

1179
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 2: that if you know at the beginning, what was it.

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01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 2: It was the power of the gospel, not it is

1181
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 2: the going forth of the Gospel that drove these things out.

1182
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 2: We have the same power what Jesus said, you have

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01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 2: the power to cast out Well, yeah, individually, but even

1184
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 2: maybe maybe civilizationally. You know, I was on the national

1185
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 2: mall just before the election, the last presidential election, and

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01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 2: I was led from here. I didn't plan on sharing this.

1187
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 2: We we had a recreation of the altar of Ishtar,

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01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 2: and we brought it to Washington and they're in front

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01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 2: of you know, it was the mass that it was

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01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 2: called like the million women thing, and there let's pray

1191
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 2: for the the you know, the casting out of this spirit,

1192
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 2: you know. And and I had that altar and I

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01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 2: had a sledge hammer, and I bring it down. First

1194
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 2: of all, I did it wrong. The first time. It

1195
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 2: bounce up. Sometimes you gotta keep finding. So second time

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01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,719
Speaker 2: it opens up. Everybody's praying, pray pay Now, that agenda

1197
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 2: had never been rolled back since it began, but right

1198
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Speaker 2: after that, with the election and with Trump's return, actually

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Speaker 2: has been whatever one thinks politically, it has been a

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Speaker 2: rolling back of that agenda. Not over. The battle is

1201
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 2: for it can go back, but there has been a

1202
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 2: rolling back. We have power, and the power is the

1203
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 2: Lord Messiah is stronger, the God that we serve is stronger.

1204
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 2: It's true, it's not hype, it's real. And we are

1205
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Speaker 2: to be like the Apostles, the Prophets, and the Apostles

1206
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Speaker 2: more radical. If the darks get starker, we got to

1207
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Speaker 2: get brighter. And so we have the power. We have

1208
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 2: to go stronger in love, stronger, spread the gospel, be

1209
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 2: like the Apostles, everyone pretty much that everybody and myers

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Speaker 2: in the Bible, we're dealing with the gods, and they

1211
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Speaker 2: stood against them in the power of our God.

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Speaker 3: Here's my new slogan.

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Speaker 1: You know you've heard of, make America great again, Make

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Speaker 1: America Christian again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Meca, you can't one goes with the other. You

1216
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Speaker 2: can't want you know. I was. I was with Trump

1217
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Speaker 2: eight days before the election, and it was a gathering

1218
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Speaker 2: of literally adrea. It's led to give a word to him.

1219
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Speaker 2: But the only way you can make America great again

1220
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Speaker 2: is that America returns to the God who made America

1221
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Speaker 2: great in the first place. It's the only way. And

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Speaker 2: that goes with everything we just said. It all began

1223
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Speaker 2: when we turned it all. It all can only be

1224
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Speaker 2: solved by turning back. And we can't control a culture,

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Speaker 2: but we can. We can. We can decide how we're

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Speaker 2: going to live, and we have to live, you know all.

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Speaker 2: In some ways, it's the most exciting time. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's biblical. You know, people pray. I wish I could

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Speaker 2: live in Bible times. Congratulations, you were in Bible times.

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Speaker 2: Now live like it, John conn thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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