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Speaker 1: I am off to sea Patsay. Just another reminder that

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Speaker 1: a speech in the afternoon, and I am looking forward

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Speaker 1: some waves. Two great guests for you on today's show.

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Speaker 1: We have Jason Greenblatz, the former White House Envoy for

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Speaker 1: Middle East Affairs. Jason was heavily involved in the Abraham

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Speaker 1: Also joining us layer in the show will be Erin Molan,

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Speaker 1: our colleague at Salem Media, my colleague on the Salem

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Speaker 1: Podcast Network and a Salem news channel who Aeron joined

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Speaker 1: us from Sydney, Australia, and she is an incisive commentator

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Speaker 1: on all things related not just to her own country,

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Speaker 1: but also to our politics here in the United States.

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Speaker 1: Looking forward very much to those two conversations, But for now,

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Speaker 1: I want to begin with this so the shutdown continues. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: Democrats continue to play politics with your airport security, with

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Speaker 1: your airport convenience, really, with all things travel related. Not

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Speaker 1: a particularly good time to be playing politics with all

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Speaker 1: things air travel and airport related. Not just because there

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Speaker 1: was this horrific tragedy at LaGuardia Airports a few nights ago.

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Speaker 1: This Air Canada Regional jets apparently due to the error

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Speaker 1: fire truck. Two pilots tragically lost their lives. But these

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Speaker 1: stories of standing in line for hours and hours at

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Speaker 1: tsa security not a good time, guys, last I chat.

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Speaker 1: Is actually a very very bad time of the year.

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Speaker 1: In fact, outside of Christmas, in the years I'm not

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Speaker 1: telling you sure, there's a worse time of the year,

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Speaker 1: frankly to be playing politics than now when it comes

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Speaker 1: to Easter Sunday, when it comes to the extended spring

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Speaker 1: break season in general, lots of families trying to go

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Speaker 1: over coming up. For my Jewish co religions, is a

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Speaker 1: very very very bad time to be playing politics there.

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Speaker 1: Mark way Mullen is now in as the Secretary of

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Speaker 1: Homeland security, All sorts of rumors swirling as to what

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Speaker 1: kind of deal Donald Trump and this White House might

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Speaker 1: offer this, all sorts of rumors as whether or not

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Speaker 1: Trump is willing to concede on some sorts of funding

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Speaker 1: removal for ICE that I've heard rumors of five billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: They'll take it out of ICE prospectively, not retrospectively, obviously,

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Speaker 1: or not at the current funding levels, because the current

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Speaker 1: funding is larger. Trace back to the one big beautiful bill.

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Speaker 1: We're talking here all about future additions and removals from

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Speaker 1: the relative baseline there. I don't really see, frankly, a

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Speaker 1: need to play that sort of game with Democrats. This

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Speaker 1: is the Democrat shutdown. This is one thousand percent the

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer, Hachim Jeffrey shutdown. And those ads really ought

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Speaker 1: to reflect that when it comes to those I eighty

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Speaker 1: five corter airs going into Hartsfield Jackson Airport. You're trying

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Speaker 1: to catch a delta flight out of Atlanta, George there,

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Speaker 1: you better see some ad. You really better see some man.

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Speaker 1: I'm speaking here directly to the r n C, nrc N, RCC,

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Speaker 1: most recent votes this past weekend that the Descentate was

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Speaker 1: Safe America Acts and various amendments and bills. There, Fetterman,

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Speaker 1: out of Pennsylvania was the only Senate Democrat literally the

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Speaker 1: So, if you are a sen Democrat and your name

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Speaker 1: to try to dramatically inconvenience and dare I say, to

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Speaker 1: potentially even make less safe, to make less safe your

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Speaker 1: and now Mark willen deploying some ICE Agency airports select

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Speaker 3: So what is now?

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Speaker 1: It is a question that a lot of folks just

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Speaker 1: What I said to this senator was this is that Senator,

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Speaker 4: Sure, great to be on your show, Great to see you.

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Speaker 4: Look, deep down, they always knew who the bad guy was, right,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would look at it a little bit differently.

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Speaker 4: First of I don't know if the reporting is true

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Speaker 4: or not. But their job, the leader's job, is to

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Speaker 4: keep their countries safe, their citizens safe and protected. If

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Speaker 4: they don't think that they can really add anything to

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Speaker 4: the equation, and they don't want and they could reduce

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Speaker 4: the risk that they bring onto themselves, that's the way

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Speaker 4: they're going to do it. I don't agree with that.

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Speaker 4: I think at this point they should all roll up

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Speaker 4: their slaves and actually help Israel in the United States

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Speaker 4: because think of the incredible signal that it's to the world.

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Speaker 4: There's no ambiguity anymore. They understand the threat, they're going

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Speaker 4: to fight against the threat. They're doing a fantastic job defending.

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Speaker 4: We don't know really how they're helping. Maybe on intelligence gathering.

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Speaker 4: Maybe there's some clandestine things going on. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to hazard a guess, but I don't

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Speaker 4: blame them. I think their job is to protect their

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Speaker 4: countries and this is how they're hardwired, and you got

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Speaker 4: to respect it. Everybody's hemmed in by their own politics,

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Speaker 4: if you will.

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Speaker 3: No doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: It's just been one of the things that I've been

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Speaker 1: keeping a close eye for, along with possible defections within

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Speaker 1: the Irani regime and thus far seemingly coming up somewhat

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Speaker 1: shorts on both hands. But there's always a lot happening

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes, as you correctly allude to. It's one

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Speaker 1: Join is very soon, my friend. It's great to see

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Speaker 1: you and great the show with you.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, you bet.

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Speaker 1: God bless folks there with this. Through a quick merger

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Speaker 1: of break, we'll be back with much more on this

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Speaker 1: and other topics on the other side.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: So it's a busy day here on the Josh Hammer Show.

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Speaker 1: We have another wonderful guest for you and our guests

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Speaker 1: right now is Eron Milan, who I am proud to

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Speaker 1: call a colleague in the Salem Podcast Network and on

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Speaker 1: Salem New Show. Erin is the host of the Eron

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Speaker 1: Milan Show. We can follow her on at Erin Underscore Malanchi.

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Speaker 1: He joins us from Sydney, Australia. Erin great to reconnect

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Speaker 1: with you. Is always wonderful to chat with you. I

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Speaker 1: want to dive in here and just ask you a

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Speaker 1: little bit more about about yourself. You do wonderful commentary

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Speaker 1: and you talk a lot, not always but obviously not always,

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Speaker 1: but a lot about the about the Middle East and

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Speaker 1: Iran and Israel and anti Semitism. You live in Australia

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Speaker 1: and you are not yourself Jewish, and I kind of

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Speaker 1: want to just open erin by asking why, why why are.

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Speaker 3: It's always not a bad thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like, why are you as passionate about

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Speaker 1: all these various issues as you are?

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Speaker 3: What is relevant?

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you so much for having me on, Josh,

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Speaker 5: And I thought initially you were going to say you

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Speaker 5: talk a lot about yourself, and I was going to say,

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Speaker 5: hopefully not to the extent.

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Speaker 2: Of the armiside.

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Speaker 3: I wanted you to about yourself in Catholics.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, Look, I slide a little bit of myself

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Speaker 5: in every now and then. But look, it's unbelievable to

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Speaker 5: me that it should be considered special that someone in

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Speaker 5: my position, off the back of October seven should come

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Speaker 5: out on my show at the time, which was on

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Speaker 5: Sky News Australia, who do incredible work in this space

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Speaker 5: and essentially condemned what had occurred, staunchly stood up for

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Speaker 5: the Israelis and the Jews who were and the hordes

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Speaker 5: of others who were massacred and taken hostage on that day,

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Speaker 5: and condemned absolutely the terrorists who did it, not for

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Speaker 5: a second thinking that it would be considered controversial.

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Speaker 2: How very wrong I was.

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Speaker 5: I was raised to do what is right, Josh, regardless

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Speaker 5: of whether it is difficult, regardless of potential blowback. My

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Speaker 5: dad was a major general in the army, so he

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Speaker 5: ran the war in Iraq for a year for the Americans.

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Speaker 5: He was chief of Operations. He was also an elected

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Speaker 5: senator in Australia. The most individually elected politician in Australian history,

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Speaker 5: a Conservative senator who was just an incredible human being,

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Speaker 5: who was courageous, who was brave, and not just because

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Speaker 5: he told us, you know, the way he thought we

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Speaker 5: should live our lives, but he led by example and

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Speaker 5: I was blessed to watch someone always.

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Speaker 2: Do what is right.

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Speaker 5: And for me, it was never a choice of g

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Speaker 5: which side should I pick? You know, this wasn't a

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Speaker 5: political issue. This wasn't gosh, I can see both sides,

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Speaker 5: which way am I going to go? This was pure

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Speaker 5: good versus evil. Despite the blowback in the way that

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Speaker 5: it's changed my life in many ways, zero regrets. It's

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Speaker 5: an honor to stand up and fight for what I

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Speaker 5: believe in and to be on the right side of history.

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Speaker 1: You can follow Erin on x at erin Underscore my

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Speaker 1: Land so Erin It's Funny.

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Speaker 3: I had on James Lindsay here on the.

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Speaker 1: Show maybe a month and a half, two months ago

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Speaker 1: or so, and I asked me a very similar question

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Speaker 1: and he essentially gave the exact same answer. Is that

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Speaker 1: he is that when when he grew up he was

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Speaker 1: taught what is right, that he learned what is right

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Speaker 1: and what is wrong, what is good, what is bad,

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Speaker 1: what is sound? Was unsound, just undut cetera. And it

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Speaker 1: is basically just that moral compass. And once upon a time,

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Speaker 1: it seems to me that larger swats, not ubiquitous, but

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Speaker 1: larger swaths of the United States, of Australia, of western

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Speaker 1: first world societies had that kind of in built embedded

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Speaker 3: The problem, of course, is.

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Speaker 1: That that moral compass, increased with in these days, seemingly

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Speaker 1: is going off the rails. And I guess one question

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Speaker 1: to you would be especially there in Australia, we have

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Speaker 1: this horrific terrorist attack, I thought, the Hank Menora lunning

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Speaker 1: there in Bondai Beach just past December. What, in your

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Speaker 1: estimation are the one two or more of if you're interested,

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Speaker 1: at least the top one or two reasons as to why,

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Speaker 1: whether it's the UK, in the United States, Australia, the

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Speaker 1: societies moral compasses just seem to be totally falling off

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Speaker 1: the rails, don't.

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Speaker 5: They absolutely, And it's been appalling to see and really sad,

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Speaker 5: I think is the overwhelming emotion that I feel when

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Speaker 5: I look around and I look at people whom I

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Speaker 5: previously respected and genuinely believed had good within do things

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Speaker 5: that I cannot in any way rationally accept as being decent.

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Speaker 5: And that's been a difficult process for me, just personally

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Speaker 5: trying to understand the behaviors of different people. When to

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Speaker 5: me it is so clear And is it moral compass

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Speaker 5: that we've completely lost or is it just absolute stupidity naivety?

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Speaker 5: Is it the cleverness of the propaganda and the campaigns?

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Speaker 5: Are people compromise? Do they understand and know that what

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Speaker 5: they're doing is wrong but the carrot that is being

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Speaker 5: dangled is too great a pull for them that there

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Speaker 5: are so many different possibilities within and Australia specifically, I

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Speaker 5: genuinely still believe that the vast majority of Australians are

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Speaker 5: very decent, good people. I feel like we're lazy in

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Speaker 5: some way. I mean, we're really hard working when it

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Speaker 5: comes to work, when it comes to you know, things

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Speaker 5: that well that should matter or that matter at a

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Speaker 5: very kind of primitive sense. But when it comes to

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Speaker 5: like protesting or things like that, most Australians will stay home.

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Speaker 5: So when you get a group, a core group of

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Speaker 5: useful idiots who are in the minority, who will hit

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Speaker 5: the streets and who will chant death to the Jews,

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Speaker 5: gas the Jews, who will gather outside the opera house

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Speaker 5: whilst people are still being killed in Israel and celebrate

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Speaker 5: the massacre. Australians are not going to come out and

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Speaker 5: counter that that's not really who we are.

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Speaker 2: We're quite laid back.

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Speaker 5: That's probably a better word than lazy before I get

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Speaker 5: destroyed by my fellow Australians. So I think for us

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Speaker 5: that's a part of it. But the moment has passed

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Speaker 5: where we can be silent and when everyday people can

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Speaker 5: sit back and watch silently. And that moment passed for

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Speaker 5: me long long, long ago. I'm still waiting for the

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Speaker 5: rest of the country and the rest of the West

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Speaker 5: to join me. I look at the UK on the

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Speaker 5: brink of a civil war. We have Colonel Richard Kemp,

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Speaker 5: who is not an extremist, who does not say things

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Speaker 5: for clicks, saying that he sees that imminently in regards

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Speaker 5: to societies just they're too far apart. And I don't

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Speaker 5: think it's a volume thing. I think it's a tiny

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Speaker 5: extreme who tend to have control. And you look at

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Speaker 5: why politically in the UK, Starmer is controlled essentially by

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Speaker 5: Islamic extremists. It's the same in Australia. The Muslim vote

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Speaker 5: here controls so much of what they do. But guess

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Speaker 5: what josh As we saw at La kenber Mosque last

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Speaker 5: week with the Australian Prime Minister. It don't matter how

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Speaker 5: much you try to appease certain sections, it's never going

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Speaker 5: to be enough. They will still abuse you, they will

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Speaker 5: still chase you out of their place of prayer, and

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Speaker 5: it won't make an iota of difference. And all you

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Speaker 5: will do is look weaker than you did previously. And

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Speaker 5: that's no mean feat.

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Speaker 1: Now the Prime Minister they used allude to, Anthony Alpine's

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Speaker 1: definitely got a lot of backlash after the bond I shooting. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: Erin I don't need to tell you a lot of

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Speaker 1: folks in Australia, Jews and Christians like saw this coming.

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Speaker 1: In fact, my wife, one of a very good friends,

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Speaker 1: lives in Melbourne, the pro of the Jewish community there.

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Speaker 1: I heard the stories from years, obviously, not these horrific

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Speaker 1: mass shootings, but the stories of discrimination being spat on

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Speaker 1: the streets.

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Speaker 3: Dirty jew leave.

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Speaker 1: There was a smoke bomb in a synagogue in Melbourne,

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Speaker 1: there was a restaurant that was attacked by potentially even

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Speaker 1: Iranian assets there. So the warning signs were absolutely there.

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Speaker 1: Does the Prime Minister get it at all? Does he care?

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Speaker 1: And if the answer is no, then is he going

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Speaker 1: to pay any political price for it? Or is he

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Speaker 1: actually just be benefited from the very muscle constituency they're

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Speaker 1: talking about there? What are the incentives working like there?

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Speaker 5: Look, I mean for starters, look at what he was

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Speaker 5: doing when he was nineteen, and that was leading pro

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Speaker 5: Palestinian marches at universities in Australia. So that should answer

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Speaker 5: a lot of your questions. It does, unfortunately, unfortunately it does.

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Speaker 5: What I would say to you is from I think

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Speaker 5: the Opera House onwards. People in Australia, particularly in the

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Speaker 5: Jewish community, knew this was coming. Everyone said, this was

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Speaker 5: an absolute shock. We don't have mass shootings in this country.

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Speaker 5: Was not a surprise. Everything that had occurred since was

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Speaker 5: leading up to this, and not just what had occurred.

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Speaker 5: Because as you know, there are idiots, There are evil

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Speaker 5: in every society. You will never weed them out entirely.

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Speaker 5: What matters is not just the response of your leadership,

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Speaker 5: but the response of the everyday person to that incident.

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Speaker 5: Will they tolerate it? Is this something that a society

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Speaker 5: will accept? And Australians off the back of the opera House.

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Speaker 5: Then the march over the Harbor Bridge with the Aya

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Speaker 5: Toller being waved up high, a humanitarian march Josh where

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Speaker 5: they waved the picture of the Aya Toler's face, flags

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Speaker 5: of hesbla humus, marching across screaming death to the IDF

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Speaker 5: under the banner of a humanitarian march and our leadership. No,

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Speaker 5: that was really lovely. I'm so proud of Australians. What

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Speaker 5: the absolute hell? So when you create an environment like that,

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Speaker 5: when you not only tolerate the demonization of a group

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Speaker 5: of people, you encourage violence against them. So it was

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Speaker 5: no surprise at all. Alban Easy, I mean the Argentinian

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Speaker 5: president says it. You will be disliked when you finish politics,

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Speaker 5: regardless of what you do, so you might as well

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Speaker 5: do what is right. He has tried to appease both. Look,

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Speaker 5: he's tried much harder with the Muslim population. He's tried

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Speaker 5: more with the Jewish population since the Bondai massacre.

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Speaker 2: But it has been appalling. Everything he has done.

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Speaker 5: Has hurt social cohesion in this country, which, to be honest,

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Speaker 5: doesn't particularly exist.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's fascical.

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Speaker 5: After the Lakema Mosque incident where he was chased out

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Speaker 5: by angry men screaming at him, he did a photo

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Speaker 5: saying diversity is our strength.

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Speaker 2: I mean you could not make it up.

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Speaker 3: No, you really can't.

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Speaker 1: And what you said there about you know, being like

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Speaker 1: you just likeke to after genem politics reminds you of

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite quotes, which is this line that

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Speaker 1: I heard from someone in DC years ago, which is,

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Speaker 1: if you want a friend in politics, get a doc.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're not in this for being like You're

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Speaker 1: in this for doing the right freaking thing, which some people,

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Speaker 1: like Aaron Milang if you do on a day in

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Speaker 1: day basis. Eron Milander is the host of The Aeron

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Speaker 1: Maland Show or Colleague here at Salemina. She joined us

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Speaker 1: after a short Russia break for much more with Eron Milan.

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Speaker 1: Will be right back on the side of a quick

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Speaker 1: commercial welcome back, and Raon Milan is also back with us.

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Speaker 1: Ermeline is the host of The Aaron Milan Show. She

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Speaker 1: is our colleague at Sale and Media. You can follow

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Speaker 1: her on at x or on x At Aaron malan

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Speaker 1: erin also some other issues happening. I know, sometimes it

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Speaker 1: feels like it's just about the Jews, and there are

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Speaker 1: some people, frankly on the American right that really wanted

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Speaker 1: to be just about the Jews, people like Tucker Carlson,

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Speaker 1: people like Kenzo's the fact if memory sirs. I think

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Speaker 1: the first time that you and I really connected in

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Speaker 1: earnest was was after the heroic assassination of my friend

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk and we had a long conversation on your

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Speaker 1: show about about Candice Owens and about all that. And

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Speaker 1: you have been admirably, admirably outspoken on all these issues,

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Speaker 1: and no one doubted that you would be, because, as

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Speaker 1: you just indicated, you have a good sentences to what

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Speaker 1: is right and what is wrong. I guess one question

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Speaker 1: for you, because a lot of people struggle to figure

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Speaker 1: out what the end game is for this particular kabbal.

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Speaker 1: My own two cents, which I've said in the show

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Speaker 1: countless times, is that they want nothing less than the

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Speaker 1: burning down of the current iteration of the American rates

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Speaker 1: and to build some anti Western civilization, neo pagan Islamophilic,

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Speaker 1: a very bizarre entity in its place. Is that too

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Speaker 1: extreme or is that essentially how you see it as well?

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Speaker 5: I would love to sit here and say you are

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Speaker 5: that beeB crazy, Josh, there is no chance in hell

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Speaker 5: what are you smoking? But unfortunately I suspect you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 5: Look at Taker Carlson with the Chinese Communist Party spokesperson

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Speaker 5: talking about the fact that, yeah, I think America should

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Speaker 5: really embrace the rise of the like, did he listen

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Speaker 5: to Jijingping's New Year's speech? Does he have any idea

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Speaker 5: what they desire? It's the same as that, you know,

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Speaker 5: we we're so silly with you. We are the architects

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Speaker 5: of our own downfall repeatedly with enemies and those who

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Speaker 5: wish us harm, who tell us what they're going to

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Speaker 5: do it, write it down, publish it over and over again.

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Speaker 5: Yet when it happens, oh oh, who would have thought?

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Speaker 5: The Muslim brotherhood, and they're patient, that's the other thing.

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Speaker 5: They're patient. So when you've got people on the right

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Speaker 5: who are actually facilitating this, who are helping it, who

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Speaker 5: are promoting it, we're in dangerous times. I just find

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Speaker 5: the whole thing insane. And I use that word over

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Speaker 5: and over and too much and I need to, I

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Speaker 5: need to search for some alternatives.

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Speaker 2: I look at America and.

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Speaker 5: I look at the midterms coming up, I look at

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Speaker 5: what is at stake, and they again would rather destroy

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Speaker 5: everything if they are not going to get their way specifically,

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Speaker 5: they would rather everything else be completely destroyed, even if

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Speaker 5: that means destroying the future for their children, destroying the

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Speaker 5: country that they're blessed enough to call home and live in.

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Speaker 5: And I'm sorry, but here in Australia, I'm traveling to

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Speaker 5: the US asava I come all the time, but Australia

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Speaker 5: is my home. We can't defend ourselves and that's something

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Speaker 5: that we've created, and that's a failing on our absolutely.

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Speaker 5: But we need America to be strong, and we need

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Speaker 5: America to not be a chaotic mess. And if they

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Speaker 5: keep going, if they continue along this path, then who

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Speaker 5: the hell knows what will exist? And I hope and

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Speaker 5: I pray, and I look at Poles sometimes and I think, Okay,

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Speaker 5: they're loud, they're trying to do what they're trying to do.

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Speaker 5: But is the everyday American following them, we're watching them. Yes, Absolutely,

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Speaker 5: it's like a car crash. I know where they rank

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Speaker 5: on the podcast charts and all that kind of thing.

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Speaker 5: But is it real life? And there's a difference between

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Speaker 5: people being thoroughly you know, we're captivated by what you're

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Speaker 5: doing and what you're saying because it is so insane,

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Speaker 5: and people actually being influenced by it and it's changing

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Speaker 5: how they vote and changing how they live. And I'd

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Speaker 5: like to think it's in the first category rather than

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Speaker 5: in the second category.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to follow but with an Australia specific

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Speaker 1: question here, because you are on Australian and you're not

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Speaker 1: the only Australian that I know in this space. I

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Speaker 1: also go on Stins Australia, Rida Panaki, people like that there.

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Speaker 3: So there's a bunch of you guys that I taught

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Speaker 3: to you.

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Speaker 1: And it's really just heavily about American politics really not

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Speaker 1: so much at least at least at least when you

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Speaker 1: have me on, it's not so much about Australian politics.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you have your Ausie friends for that there.

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Speaker 1: And I guess my question is how much of an

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Speaker 1: outsize role does the United States have in the politics

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Speaker 1: of a country like Australia, which is about as far

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Speaker 1: geographically from the United States ASKNM possible get We're obviously

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Speaker 1: very close. We both speak English, part of the Five

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Speaker 1: Eyes when it comes to Canada, the UK, Australian New

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Speaker 1: Zealand when it comes to intelligence sharing there. But my impression,

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Speaker 1: earon and correct me from all. My impression is that

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Speaker 1: Australians have a pretty mixed mixed perception of the United States.

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Speaker 1: I think often about this poll that I saw years ago.

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Speaker 1: It was very funny, Paul. It's like from ten years

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Speaker 1: ago at the time Americans had like a ninety plus

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Speaker 1: percent improved rainning. When it comes to Canada. That's changed,

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Speaker 1: by the way, by the time it was like ninety

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Speaker 1: plus percent Americans in Canada, Canadians were like fifty to

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Speaker 1: fifty on America again these days of numbers on both.

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Speaker 1: But I would imagine it a similar dynamic for Australia. Right,

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Speaker 1: So how do you see it and elaborate perhaps on

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Speaker 1: your thesis that a strong America is good for Australias.

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Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of Australians plably don't

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Speaker 1: actually agree with that answer.

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Speaker 5: No, no, I would agree with you, and they're wrong

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Speaker 5: by the way that there are moments and there are

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Speaker 5: occasions where I can say we have a difference of opinion,

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Speaker 5: and we don't necessarily We're not necessarily both wrong.

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Speaker 2: We need a strong America.

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Speaker 5: Anyone who thinks otherwise in Australia is naive, stupid, or

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Speaker 5: has another motivation there.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting.

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Speaker 5: I feel like Trump arrangement syndrome is still has a

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Speaker 5: strong firm hold here, which I'm surprised by because we

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Speaker 5: do like Alarican and people do like a comeback king

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Speaker 5: here generally, but for some reason Trump and look, media

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Speaker 5: doesn't help here.

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Speaker 2: We've got a huge leftist media.

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Speaker 5: Most of the mainstream media, apart from the show that

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Speaker 5: you kind of go on and a couple of conservative newspapers,

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Speaker 5: it is essentially angled against Trump. Every bit of coverage

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Speaker 5: that I've watched, and you know, October seven was appalling.

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Speaker 5: But US politics is all skewed in a way that

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Speaker 5: is negative. That doesn't help you. Look at what Australians

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Speaker 5: absorb when it comes to news, and there are two

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Speaker 5: six pm news programs that compete basically on two major

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Speaker 5: networks each night that get vast majority of the audience,

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Speaker 5: and anything you will watch will have a negative spin

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Speaker 5: when it comes to Donald Trump. And this administration, and

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Speaker 5: an example not just on that specifically, but October seventh,

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Speaker 5: for example, when it comes to the coverage of what

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Speaker 5: Australians are exposed to, and this will help you understand

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Speaker 5: how they shape their views. There was a story on

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Speaker 5: the hostage slash prisoner exchange on one of the biggest

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Speaker 5: news programs here, and it essentially started with these emotional

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Speaker 5: shots of this woman crying and these kids crying and

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Speaker 5: this man being reunited and they're like, you know, a

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Speaker 5: mother reunited with their son ten years in the making,

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Speaker 5: emotions flying, everyone's crying, You're crying.

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Speaker 2: You're like, oh, this is so good, you know, blah blah.

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Speaker 5: What you don't realize is he blew up a bus

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Speaker 5: that killed you know, eight kids and he's just been released.

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Speaker 5: But we were the way it was sold and then

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Speaker 5: oh and some Israeli hostages were sent home as well.

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Speaker 2: Next item.

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Speaker 5: That's the way in which it is framed here in

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Speaker 5: much of the media, so you can understand why there's hostility.

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Speaker 5: I'm probably the worst person to ask because on my

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Speaker 5: show I don't really touch Australian politics that much, just

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Speaker 5: given most of my audience is now American, so I

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Speaker 5: don't cover it that intensely, but I look at a

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Speaker 5: lot of it obviously, and I follow it very closely myself,

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Speaker 5: and I feel like there's this almost this attitude here

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Speaker 5: that you know, Trump is not a dictator. People are

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Speaker 5: not as silly as the Democrats over there calling him

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Speaker 5: a king. But I don't think they like his kind

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Speaker 5: of his arrogance, or his attitude or his mannerisms. What

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Speaker 5: I would say to them is this, I couldn't care

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Speaker 5: less how a political leader spoke or the words that

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Speaker 5: he used or his tone of voice. If he is

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Speaker 5: keeping us safe and doing everything that is possible for

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Speaker 5: us to be rid of terror and things that will

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Speaker 5: hurt us ultimately, to keep the Chinese Communist Party in check,

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Speaker 5: whether that's through Tariff's or whether that's through other means.

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Speaker 5: I would say, look at Barack Obama. You think you

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Speaker 5: had a lovely turn of phrase. Oh he was beautiful.

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Speaker 5: What an orator. He would get up there and we go,

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Speaker 5: oh my gosh. The way you talk about Michelle. He

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Speaker 5: was giving billions to the Islamic grave name of Iran.

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Speaker 5: It's the same as you know, you look at any

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Speaker 5: of them, look at Clinton, like I would much rather

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Speaker 5: someone like Donald Trump, even if sometimes you might say,

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Speaker 5: you know, call a reporter and Nate and I go, okay,

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Speaker 5: that doesn't sit particularly well. But I'll take that every

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Speaker 5: day of the week because I know in the ways

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Speaker 5: that matter, he's doing what counts. And Australia we have

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Speaker 5: like less than twenty days fuel, less than twenty days fuel.

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Speaker 5: If China goes to take Taiwan, we are screwed.

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Speaker 2: And guess what.

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Speaker 5: America's asked us for help a couple of times over

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Speaker 5: the past couple of years, and we have said no.

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Speaker 5: So when war breaks out in our region and we're like, hey, Trumpy,

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Speaker 5: it's elbow here. You remember how we didn't send you

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Speaker 5: those ships when you ask, well, I mean, gosh, what

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Speaker 5: a communication issue that was. We meant to But anyway,

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Speaker 5: we need some help. I would fully understand if they

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Speaker 5: said sod.

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Speaker 3: Off, I hear you a lot and clear on that one.

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Speaker 1: Look to me, it's interesting because sitting here, eron, I'm

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Speaker 1: in American in America's only the country I've ever known here,

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Speaker 1: and I'm aware of that America is is the world's superpower. China,

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Speaker 1: of course it is now that as well. But I

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Speaker 1: have so many friends like you know the countries. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm always curious about about what what is the perception

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Speaker 1: as to the importance of American power, because frankly, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of people here on the home front. You

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Speaker 1: heard them Talker, you mentioned him, he out had this

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Speaker 1: conversation with this Chinese Communist Party propaganda's as to how

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Speaker 1: declining America is good. It's actually it's actually better have

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Speaker 1: decline in America and ascending Chinese Communist Party.

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Speaker 3: It's all this garbage.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's really good to hear from people like you

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Speaker 1: and say no, the doomers, the doomsday or is here

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Speaker 1: on the home front here in the US are dead

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Speaker 1: freaking wrong.

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Speaker 3: And eron Milan is some.

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Speaker 5: Sorry we're going to so sorry. I know I'm not

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Speaker 5: I can't getting charge. You're not Americans. Sorry, my child's

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Speaker 5: future depends on the strength of your nation.

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Speaker 1: Well there you have folks erin Milan, one of a kind.

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Speaker 1: You can follow her on x at Aaron Underscore Milan,

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Speaker 1: host of the erin Malancho. She's our colleague at Salem Media.

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Speaker 1: Erin God bless you, my friend. We really appreciate Hope Hopey,

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Speaker 1: you'll stop by against him.

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Speaker 2: Less you. I'd love to thank you, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for having me on.

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Speaker 3: You bet of course, folks have a great rest of evening.

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Speaker 3: Josh Hammer signing off.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back tomorrow.

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