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Speaker 1: Alex Marlow, and this is the Alex Marlow Show all right.
Speaker 2: Back when I hosted bright Bart News Daily, I would
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Speaker 2: that in a second. He also is involved with something
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Speaker 2: for that and just somebod who's very knowledgeable about all
Speaker 2: things jihad fry. Let's start there, because the big thing
Speaker 2: going on right now in all the news is the
Speaker 2: Iran war, and I feel like, we have a lot
Speaker 2: of mutual friends who don't see the logic behind Trump
Speaker 2: trying to destroy Iron's nuclear capabilities, And there's some arguments
Speaker 2: that I understand, and a lot of them are watching
Speaker 2: play out. There are a lot of unforeseen downstream of facts.
Speaker 2: Whenever you get involved in war of this nature with
Speaker 2: a pretty sophisticated, pretty big power halfway around the world,
Speaker 2: things never go perfectly according to plan. But I feel
Speaker 2: like there are a lot of people who I think
Speaker 2: have been pretty smart on national security foreign policy issues
Speaker 2: for a long time who didn't understand that, well, maybe
Speaker 2: it's a pretty good idea to not have an Iranian
Speaker 2: government with nuclear weapons. It just seemed like something was
Speaker 2: pretty fundamental. We talked about that for a while and
Speaker 2: then somehow that got lost at the beginning of the war.
Speaker 2: All that to say, where do you think we're at
Speaker 2: with this thing with Iran? What's your take overall? I
Speaker 2: think we're in the end game.
Speaker 3: I don't know how long that endgame is going to
Speaker 3: take and can't say for certain how it will play out,
Speaker 3: but I do think that there's a tipping point, and
Speaker 3: I think we're either at it or they have now
Speaker 3: passed it in the sense that I think the die
Speaker 3: if you will is cast on this regime in Tehran,
Speaker 3: that it has watched and presided over the destruction of
Speaker 3: essentially the offensive power that it represents. To be sure,
Speaker 3: the Chinese are busily trying to restore it and expand it.
Speaker 3: But I think what is now in prospect is the
Speaker 3: playing out of the end of the security apparatus that
Speaker 3: keeps the Iranian regime in power, and that without it,
Speaker 3: I believe that people of Iran to take matters into
Speaker 3: their own hands. I'm prayed that this would have happened
Speaker 3: a long time before. Now. The conditions have not been
Speaker 3: ripe because the guys with the guns are still exclusively
Speaker 3: the jihadist government guys. But I believe that's changing, and
Speaker 3: I think that more to the point, what is crippling
Speaker 3: the whole operation is that the money is being cut off,
Speaker 3: and typically that does have a bearing on the willingness
Speaker 3: of yeah, even ideologically committed you know, Seria supremacists I
Speaker 3: call them, because at some point you can't eat, you
Speaker 3: can't feed your family, you can't you know, stay in business,
Speaker 3: and all of that is very much a work in progress.
Speaker 3: I will stipulate, but I think it's moving in the
Speaker 3: right direction at last. And I just pray that President
Speaker 3: Trump is going to stay the course because I think
Speaker 3: if he does, he wins. If he doesn't, he loses,
Speaker 3: as does America.
Speaker 2: So many things in there, But first of all, let's
Speaker 2: define victory. What does the victory look like from your
Speaker 2: vantage point?
Speaker 3: I think it is regime change. I think it is
Speaker 3: the end of a totalitarian, demonic death cult that has
Speaker 3: misruled this country for so long and has cost its
Speaker 3: people incalculably and threaten the rest of the world, including US.
Speaker 3: I don't see any other outcome. Alexis being victorious. I
Speaker 3: think we can kid ourselves, but it'll be just back
Speaker 3: in at some point in the foreseeable future if we
Speaker 3: settle for something less.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about what that would look like and
Speaker 2: what our role would be in it, because there's a
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff here that plays plan out. Because if
Speaker 2: you look at the nature of how Aron was able
Speaker 2: just to slaughter like dogs, any peaceful demonstrators in just
Speaker 2: a couple of week period, killing tens of thousands of them.
Speaker 2: Don't Trump is talking about this this week. They're not
Speaker 2: really armed at least not to the point where they
Speaker 2: could fight back against IRGC or any sort of iron
Speaker 2: face that comes down. And how what's the plan in
Speaker 2: arming them? And is there potentially any sort of a
Speaker 2: opposition leadership that could inspire the people, because that's one
Speaker 2: where we talk about all the time, but I just
Speaker 2: don't see one emerging.
Speaker 3: So I take those on for me. Well, the arming
Speaker 3: question is one that I think is probably most easily
Speaker 3: resolved by having the military of Iran come out of
Speaker 3: its barracks and help bring about the end of the regime.
Speaker 3: They've got plenty of weapons. The thing that will tip
Speaker 3: the balance, I think, and I would strongly recommend, is
Speaker 3: letting the Israelis resume what they were doing with considerable
Speaker 3: effect before this, namely having Iranian opposition elements providing targeting
Speaker 3: information about where the IRGC or the besiegee they're sort
Speaker 3: of sugs were holding checkpoints or having sniper positions or
Speaker 3: what have you. Let the Israelis level that battle space,
Speaker 3: and then I think you create especially if the funds
Speaker 3: are cutting, you are literally being cut off and the
Speaker 3: regime cannot pay the military. I believe they will be
Speaker 3: part of the solution to this problem. I think they've
Speaker 3: not been part of the problem for quite some time.
Speaker 3: But I think that's also because we haven't been attacking them,
Speaker 3: but we have been going after the security apparatus and
Speaker 3: rightly so what's the opposition leadership that's going to emerge
Speaker 3: from all of this? I don't know. I don't have
Speaker 3: any sense that anybody else does either. Who's on the
Speaker 3: ground inside Iran? Who could emerge? Are there people there?
Speaker 3: Surely there are. I mean this, as is often noted,
Speaker 3: a very very sophisticated populace. They've wanted a regime change
Speaker 3: for forty seven years, many of them. I think there's
Speaker 3: almost certainly efforts that have been made that we're unaware
Speaker 3: of that are going to bring that forward. You know,
Speaker 3: is the Crown Prince player? I don't know. He certainly
Speaker 3: looks good to us, but he's not been in Iran
Speaker 3: for fifty years? Does it look good to them? You
Speaker 3: hear his name repeated oftentimes in these demonstrations. Does that
Speaker 3: mean they want him? I don't know. Could he get
Speaker 3: there and survive? I don't know. But what I do
Speaker 3: think is what is the alternative to what we have known?
Speaker 3: Is going to be better? And I think we need
Speaker 3: to work for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because I would define victory is feeling
Speaker 2: like we can successfully convince people that aron nuclear capabilities
Speaker 2: are crippled. I think that's pretty much my standard. I
Speaker 2: would love it if their inter continentiabalistic missile development stopped
Speaker 2: and if they stop funding care proxies. That'd be great.
Speaker 2: But the problem with regime change for me is I'm
Speaker 2: just not seeing the process how it plays out unless
Speaker 2: there's massive US involvement, and I feel like US getting
Speaker 2: involved in the straight. I can picture that we set
Speaker 2: up a system where we're kind of controlling the tolls,
Speaker 2: making sure Ron gets something so they can rebuild their
Speaker 2: country so long as they keep cooperating. Maybe we wet
Speaker 2: our beak a little bit. I can picture that, But
Speaker 2: just an American presence in Iran on the ground, kind
Speaker 2: of negotiating with the various parties doing regime change, it
Speaker 2: just sounds I can't totally picture it. Can you get there?
Speaker 3: I don't think I suggested that neither.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I don't mean you did either. I'm just
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what is How does it come
Speaker 2: to me?
Speaker 3: What has happened in circumstances like this time and time
Speaker 3: after time is people emerge, They come forward, Some are
Speaker 3: found wanting and don't last long. Some are found wanting
Speaker 3: and last a long time. But I think that's what's
Speaker 3: in prospect here, is they will sort this out. Might
Speaker 3: it be messy, you bet, it might be messy. Could
Speaker 3: it involve civil war, Yes it could. Could it create
Speaker 3: conditions under which a nuclear weapons program, you know, is
Speaker 3: able to persist? I think that's a possibility. But I
Speaker 3: do think that the more rigorous we are in rooting
Speaker 3: out from above and with the help of the Israelis
Speaker 3: the elements of the apparatus that has preserved these guys
Speaker 3: in power, the more likely we're going to have alternatives
Speaker 3: that are actually very much aligned with our interests and
Speaker 3: those of the Iranian people. Is it a bankable proposition? No,
Speaker 3: But is it likely to be better than what we've
Speaker 3: been subjected to and they've been subjected to one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: It's interesting to track the rhetoric coming from sector of
Speaker 2: war and the president and if you look of the
Speaker 2: last couple of days, and I don't know this is
Speaker 2: just them being skilled rhetoricians or if it's true, but
Speaker 2: it seems like they're kind of toying with the Iranians.
Speaker 2: And this speaks to your premise of that we're the
Speaker 2: endgame here, that they're acting very confident, like they've got
Speaker 2: this in the bag and it's just a matter of
Speaker 2: some of these little skirmishes could play themselves out and
Speaker 2: then we'll eventually get a deal done. But I do
Speaker 2: feel like domestically the real enemy to President Trump, and
Speaker 2: I want you to evaluate this statement. The real enemy
Speaker 2: is coming domestic because there's so many people who are
Speaker 2: trying to root against him for whatever reason, because they
Speaker 2: want to see him fail, They want to see the
Speaker 2: Republicans lose the midterms. They want to prove their own
Speaker 2: theory that if Trump does it, it must be wrong,
Speaker 2: which a lot of people have just staked a lot
Speaker 2: of their credibility on Trump being wrong on this stuff.
Speaker 2: And so it just feels like he has a bit
Speaker 2: of a ticking clock in terms of how much pressure
Speaker 2: the US media, the Democrat establishment, and even members of
Speaker 2: the Mega Coalition can put on him to wrap this
Speaker 2: thing up. And I feel like that this is his
Speaker 2: body language when he's speaking, I does not convey that
Speaker 2: he's nervous I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3: Look, he's a showman, and so it may be that
Speaker 3: he's simply gifted at trying to obscure the anxiety that
Speaker 3: he feels. I don't know, but I do think that
Speaker 3: he knows we've got the strong hand and that if
Speaker 3: he doesn't give up most of specially if he doesn't
Speaker 3: accept the terms that the Iranians are offering us in
Speaker 3: these negotiations, which are effectively ten amount to our surrender. Yeah,
Speaker 3: then he has the opportunity to come out of this decisively.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think demonstrating to all of the
Speaker 3: people that you mentioned, You're right there are at least
Speaker 3: those many factions and probably others that are rooting for
Speaker 3: our defeat or at least Trump's defeat, that they were
Speaker 3: wrong and he was right.
Speaker 2: So what do you feel about the messaging because it
Speaker 2: feels like it was not effectively sold initially that hey,
Speaker 2: these guys won't stop trying to enrich to weapons grade
Speaker 2: and we demanded for a long time that they stop,
Speaker 2: and they won't stop, and they're horrible to negotiate with.
Speaker 2: And I've spoken Trump about this personally. He's not joking.
Speaker 2: He is joking, but he's not joking when he makes
Speaker 2: fun of he doesn't know who's in charge over there,
Speaker 2: because they have a huge apparatus where they're going to
Speaker 2: run every decision all a million different directions before they
Speaker 2: can approve it. It sounds like a very slow, arduous
Speaker 2: process to even talk to these people. And Trump hates
Speaker 2: that stuff. He likes to move fast, cut deals, move
Speaker 2: on with his life, and all of this pointed towards
Speaker 2: he was going to invade introspect. It made sense to me,
Speaker 2: But I don't think any of this was really sold
Speaker 2: that well to even our side, people who tend to
Speaker 2: support the president.
Speaker 3: Well, I think we can stipulate to that. I think
Speaker 3: the messaging has been execrable, honestly, and it changes all
Speaker 3: the time, which is not helpful. I think. I think
Speaker 3: partly that's because the president has been trying to adapt
Speaker 3: to you know, a sort of evolving situation and trying
Speaker 3: to throw his enemies and even I think his allies
Speaker 3: off balance a bit to you know, keep the initiative.
Speaker 3: But I think it could be put better and personally, Alex,
Speaker 3: I think that you're right. We do want to make
Speaker 3: sure that people who have as a central tenet of
Speaker 3: their Sharia supremacist agenda, the apocalypse. You really don't want
Speaker 3: to have folks like that having the means to bring
Speaker 3: it about, whether it's against Israel or whether it's as
Speaker 3: you say, a long range ballistic missile against places in
Speaker 3: this country or otherwise. This is the key point to
Speaker 3: me and why I'm so you know, really insistent that
Speaker 3: it would have been helpful if we had said this
Speaker 3: won't be over until the guys who have that ideology,
Speaker 3: that guys who have brought the world to say nothing
Speaker 3: of the Iranian people such you know, devastating terrorism and
Speaker 3: other threats are gone. Are not just gone, you know,
Speaker 3: two or three levels down, but are gone period. They
Speaker 3: are no longer in business. There is another group that
Speaker 3: is going to be aligning that country where where the
Speaker 3: overwhelming population wants to be, namely with Western civilization instead
Speaker 3: of trying to destroy it.
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Speaker 2: a little while longer. But I'm sure Aaron is aware
Speaker 2: of this, and they feel like that their best move
Speaker 2: is just to try to keep us frustrated as long
Speaker 2: as humanly possible. What are your best and worst case
Speaker 2: scenarios here as this plays out?
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's not just that they want to
Speaker 3: keep us frustrated. They want to stay alive as long
Speaker 3: as they are. As long as there's any basis upon
Speaker 3: which they can claim they are still running things, they win.
Speaker 3: That's their goal. It's by every objective measure, alex As
Speaker 3: you know, they either have lost or are in the
Speaker 3: process of losing basically everything. But as long as they're
Speaker 3: still kicking, they're going to claim victory. And by the way,
Speaker 3: so will every other jihadist on the planet. And that's
Speaker 3: what is unacceptable. That's my worst case scenario is that
Speaker 3: we will either simply give up for the reasons you've mentioned,
Speaker 3: domestic political pressures among them, or we will accept some
Speaker 3: kind of you know, false piece. You know they call
Speaker 3: them Hudnah's in the Middle East, and keeping with the
Speaker 3: tradition of the so called perfect man Mohammed, who on
Speaker 3: any number of occasions would make a deal with some
Speaker 3: adversary when he was in a losing position, and then
Speaker 3: he would use the time to regroup and rearm and
Speaker 3: then go back at it under better circumstances. And that's
Speaker 3: what these guys are hoping to do. My best case
Speaker 3: is the one we've talked about. I think it is
Speaker 3: that you actually are at a point where the people
Speaker 3: who have kept that regime going are no longer able
Speaker 3: or willing to do so, and the people who have
Speaker 3: been desperate for forty odd years to have this nightmare end
Speaker 3: are able to actually call the shots. Those you know,
Speaker 3: BESIGI and those IRGC and so on will be out
Speaker 3: of business, hopefully out of the country, and the people
Speaker 3: who are left are going to be people who want,
Speaker 3: at the macro level at the minimum, not to be
Speaker 3: threatening the rest of us with either jihad or any
Speaker 3: other variant you want to call terrorism. And that better
Speaker 3: yet want to be part of Western civilization. About what
Speaker 3: that world would look like, Alex, I mean, it is
Speaker 3: so much to be aspired for. I just I'm sick
Speaker 3: to my stomach at what people who are rooting for
Speaker 3: that team are espousing. You know, it's like the Gays
Speaker 3: for Palestine, for Heaven's sake, right nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it is interesting, and I want to talk
Speaker 2: about this because I want to get to your other focus,
Speaker 2: which is trying to stop Sharia from taking over the
Speaker 2: United States, which is definitely fallen off of the top
Speaker 2: tier of our issues. But it does feel like there
Speaker 2: are small signs that the Chihati crowd, the Sharia crowd,
Speaker 2: is making progress within the United States. But I want
Speaker 2: you to set up what you think is going on,
Speaker 2: what you're fighting against at a macro level, and then
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you. I think there are some
Speaker 2: micro examples that are really concerning right now, and I
Speaker 2: want to go through some of those, but start with
Speaker 2: the premise Sharia supremacism, could it really come here in
Speaker 2: the United States?
Speaker 3: Well, let me just if I may back up just
Speaker 3: a minute, because the same people that are trying to
Speaker 3: win in Iran, Yes, but more generally in the Middle
Speaker 3: East are the people who are seeking to impose Sharia
Speaker 3: in this country, same ideology for sure. In some cases
Speaker 3: actually the same people. The Muslim Brotherhood comes to mind,
Speaker 3: for example, the Iranians with their you know, assassination squads
Speaker 3: and has elements in this country and the like. The
Speaker 3: thing that makes me craziest Alex and I have to
Speaker 3: tell you I miss our conversations because it was often
Speaker 3: a corrective to this sort of thing. But we have
Speaker 3: mutual friends, yeah, who are all about the problem of
Speaker 3: sharia inside the United States, have been doing you know,
Speaker 3: heroic work calling it out, warning about it, trying to
Speaker 3: mobilize people, helping, among other things, to get one point
Speaker 3: nine million Texans to vote for a proposition on March third,
Speaker 3: saying five words, Texas should prohibituarial law. But they don't
Speaker 3: seem to get that it is basically the same thing
Speaker 3: that we're dealing with over there, and the guys who
Speaker 3: we're dealing with over there want desperately to ensure that
Speaker 3: we're subjected to it here. So are there micro examples
Speaker 3: of how this is metastasizing in this country? You bet?
Speaker 3: And I'm all about it. This is why we're running
Speaker 3: a campaign we called Starting in Texas, Save Texas, Save America,
Speaker 3: because we must mobilize truly. I mean, it's not just
Speaker 3: a campaign, it's a movement that's needed here to try
Speaker 3: to ensure that the guys who have been beavering away
Speaker 3: at this for over sixty years, notably, primarily not exclusively,
Speaker 3: the Muslim Brotherhood, are unable to subvert our constitutional republic
Speaker 3: from within by this kind of well, I call it
Speaker 3: frog boiling. It's not the violent kind of jihad at
Speaker 3: the moment, though that could change at any time. But
Speaker 3: it's the stealthy civilization jihad they call it, and they've
Speaker 3: been hard at it. And whether it's building out the
Speaker 3: infrastructure of mosques and madrases and you know, Islamic centers
Speaker 3: and front groups and terrorist cells, or whether it's just
Speaker 3: you know, getting an epic city built here, or you know,
Speaker 3: a Mamdani taking over in New York City, or a
Speaker 3: lieutenant governor taking over in Virginia, or any number of
Speaker 3: others ham Tramic, dearborn, you know, you name it. Where
Speaker 3: you're seeing people do, among other thingstoral jihad. And this
Speaker 3: is a very dangerous thing because as we're watching in Britain.
Speaker 3: By block voting in close elections, Muslims can get either
Speaker 3: a Muslim who is a Sharia supremacist. Not all of
Speaker 3: them are, but the ones who aren't are called apostates,
Speaker 3: and they generally don't put their head above the parapet
Speaker 3: because they'll get it cut off. But the ones who
Speaker 3: are Sharia supremacists are the ones that are now in
Speaker 3: the four and they believe, as in Britain, as in
Speaker 3: the Netherlands, as in Belgium, as in Germany, as in Italy,
Speaker 3: as in France, as in Sweden, they're winning and we
Speaker 3: must disabuse them of that notion. And the only way
Speaker 3: I can think to do it is by making this
Speaker 3: banning Sharia a national voting issue. And to that end,
Speaker 3: we've got something we call the Sharia Free Pledge at
Speaker 3: Mansharia dot com, which I hope everyone listens. Will ask
Speaker 3: a candidate who is seeking their vote to sign a
Speaker 3: pledge saying I pledge to my constituents in my district
Speaker 3: and the American people that I will oppose the imposition
Speaker 3: of Sharia in America. That's what we need people to embrace,
Speaker 3: and if we do, I think we save this country
Speaker 3: from the faith that these guys have in mind for us,
Speaker 3: which is the end of the republic and just another
Speaker 3: part of a global califate with slavery on all kinds
Speaker 3: of other horrors abounding in America.
Speaker 2: Frank, you do you something called the secure Freedom minute?
Speaker 2: Why don't you tell everyone how to get that every day?
Speaker 2: I get it every day. And you had one recently
Speaker 2: again about how it's important for us to be to
Speaker 2: defeat electoral jihad. And you're talking about California making two
Speaker 2: Muslim holy days state holidays. It is this one of
Speaker 2: these things where look, they just love giving themselves days off.
Speaker 2: Or is it scarier than that?
Speaker 3: Well, I think it is a lot scarier than that, Alex.
Speaker 3: And again you have to be a little bit more
Speaker 3: sophisticated than just thinking, oh, well, there they go again.
Speaker 3: We're we're throwing a soop, you know, an accommodation, a concession.
Speaker 3: This is submission. And the way you can tell is
Speaker 3: the object of these holy days is celebrating glorious conquests
Speaker 3: by Islam, you know, and and the practice of stoning
Speaker 3: and other kinds of jihadism. We're we're not celebrating, you know,
Speaker 3: the birth of Jesus Christ, for example, or even Mohammad.
Speaker 2: Fat We were told that celebrating the birth of Jesus
Speaker 2: Christ for a long time was kind of a distraction.
Speaker 2: It's not really the point of Christian Christmas is not Jesus.
Speaker 2: I gotta said he died of that. The other thing
Speaker 2: is is that even for people who are on the
Speaker 2: communist laugh, there's we do have to get work done eventually,
Speaker 2: and if you're taking all these days off, it ends
Speaker 2: up cheapening the days that are already off. I think
Speaker 2: that was the whole point at Juneteenth, which I could
Speaker 2: see an argument that June teenth is worth acknowledging, but
Speaker 2: it clearly was designed to take away from July fourth,
Speaker 2: And the same way when we went from Washington and
Speaker 2: Lincoln's birthday to President's Day, we took two great holidays
Speaker 2: and made it one stupid one. And it was like
Speaker 2: it was, but we don't learn lessons. That's the thing
Speaker 2: that frustrates me more than anything else, living in a
Speaker 2: blue state and having always lived in blue areas. They
Speaker 2: don't learn lessons, and that's the thing. So then I
Speaker 2: wonder do they not learn lessons intentionally? Is this to
Speaker 2: your point? Is this really about trying to get a
Speaker 2: more suria supremacist normalizing that attitude in the areas they can.
Speaker 3: Well, look, you're talking blue, which now, of course, basically
Speaker 3: means red in the communists sense, the right right, the
Speaker 3: red green axis is operating here, and it's a marriage
Speaker 3: of conveniences, you know. I I throw in the globalists
Speaker 3: as well, so I call it the red green blue axis.
Speaker 3: They have a very different set of end states in mind,
Speaker 3: of course, but what they have in common is a
Speaker 3: shared conviction that they got to get rid of the
Speaker 3: United States of America for any of their ambitions to
Speaker 3: be realized. And once they are, then they'll fight it
Speaker 3: out amongst themselves. So I would say that it's not
Speaker 3: that these communists are not learning lessons. I think they
Speaker 3: are learning the right lessons from their perspective, which is
Speaker 3: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Anything I
Speaker 3: can do to sow chaos will be good for us.
Speaker 3: The worse the better. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: we will have a reckoning with these jihatis and it
Speaker 3: will be messy, you can bet, but they will have
Speaker 3: their global order in prospect and fight, i'm sure, ferociously
Speaker 3: against each other over it, but we'll be gone in
Speaker 3: the meantime.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, Okay, So, well, where other pain points are
Speaker 2: you seeing right now in terms of domestically in the
Speaker 2: United States. What are some things that are concerning you
Speaker 2: right now that we need to keep an eye.
Speaker 3: On behind the ji Hut? Yeah, Well, an abiding concern.
Speaker 3: As you know, Alice, we've talked about this for well
Speaker 3: twenty years, I think all told, maybe longer, is we
Speaker 3: have failed as a nation to understand that, in addition
Speaker 3: to the enemies within that we've just been discussing, we
Speaker 3: have vulnerabilities within that are largely unaddressed. One of the
Speaker 3: most serious of them, I've always believed is the vulnerabilities
Speaker 3: of our power grid. This country will not be this
Speaker 3: country if the lights go off, And every single one
Speaker 3: of these bad guys, including by the way, the Iranian regime,
Speaker 3: not only has thought hard about how do they do
Speaker 3: that to us, but they've put into place, in various ways,
Speaker 3: the capability to make it happen, and we have not
Speaker 3: taken this seriously. I mean, the larger problem is that
Speaker 3: counter intelligence amounts to at this point little other than
Speaker 3: see something, say something as an exhortation, but here's the kicker,
Speaker 3: my friend. If you don't know what you're looking for,
Speaker 3: because nobody's talking to you about it, let alone what
Speaker 3: you need to be particularly worried about protecting, there's not
Speaker 3: much to talk about when you say something, and that's unacceptable.
Speaker 3: We really need, as I've put it for some time,
Speaker 3: a war footing in this country in which we're protecting
Speaker 3: those kind of vulnerabilities, those assets that we can't live without,
Speaker 3: and that we are aggressively working to identify and neutralize
Speaker 3: enemies within of whichever stripe. If you don't do that,
Speaker 3: you are just sitting on a ticking timebine, and that's
Speaker 3: totally irresponsible and I think unacceptable.
Speaker 2: Where do you think we're most vulnerable? Because I was
Speaker 2: breaking this down that started the Iran war going throughout it,
Speaker 2: it just does not seem impossible for me if I
Speaker 2: Ron got nuclear weapon that they could use it against Americans.
Speaker 2: And you're making a similar point about the power grade.
Speaker 2: We were just spoiled and we feel like that there
Speaker 2: aren't any real threats now, And that's exactly the mindset
Speaker 2: that's going to make us even more vulnerable than we
Speaker 2: already are. It's the where do we lose this, like,
Speaker 2: where do we lose the actual feeling like, well, there
Speaker 2: are real bad guys out there who and a lot
Speaker 2: of them are very, very motivated to do harm to us,
Speaker 2: and we're just kind of coasting sometimes.
Speaker 3: You know, this is a really interesting thought experiment. But
Speaker 3: I take it back to the nineteen fifties when a
Speaker 3: guy by them of Jill McCarthy actually correctly was warning
Speaker 3: that we had communists inside the US government.
Speaker 4: And it points that out Frank Joseph Joseph R Joseph
Speaker 4: Stalin mounted a campaign to discredit and basically destroy Joseph McCarthy,
Speaker 4: and in the process, what they brilliantly accomplished in terms
Speaker 4: of political warfare was they essentially made it impossible to
Speaker 4: even talk about, even think about really the possibility that
Speaker 4: we do have enemies within.
Speaker 3: It became McCarthyism to contend that that was so well.
Speaker 3: I can tell you that the Communists have delighted in
Speaker 3: it ever since, as have the Sharia supremacists, and as
Speaker 3: of the globalists for that matter. But Alex, you're asking
Speaker 3: the right question. We're smart enough, we're experienced enough, we're
Speaker 3: watching what's taking place around us enough, We've got I
Speaker 3: think in Donald Trump, somebody who is courageous enough to
Speaker 3: actually have it be different. But it takes leadership, It
Speaker 3: takes a will to resist. And that's where this camp pain.
Speaker 3: To save Texas and save America, I think as an example,
Speaker 3: we need help urgently to make sure that we don't
Speaker 3: keep turning a blind eye to what's going on here
Speaker 3: and hoping that it won't actually eventuate with what they
Speaker 3: tell us. And I know that you're watching this, but
Speaker 3: the YouTube and you know, the Internet are awash with
Speaker 3: statements of jihadis on the one hand, and communists on
Speaker 3: the other, and globalist for that matter, all saying, you know,
Speaker 3: we're going to win, We're going to succeed in defeating
Speaker 3: the United States, and they're not wrong if we don't
Speaker 3: step up. And you know, my favorite line is Ronald
Speaker 3: Reagan's old one about every generation faces an existential threat
Speaker 3: to freedom. It hasn't passed on and through their bloodstream.
Speaker 3: It has to be fought for and protected. And you
Speaker 3: know what he sometimes said, this is a closer because
Speaker 3: it's so powerful. I always encourage people to pay attention
Speaker 3: to this. He said, if we don't do that, we
Speaker 3: will spend our sunset years, telling our children and our
Speaker 3: children's children what it was like to live in the
Speaker 3: United States when men were free.
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Speaker 2: for today. First one, I want to speak directly to
Speaker 2: the America first audience, which is the vast majority of
Speaker 2: both of our audiences, and for people who are are
Speaker 2: asking how is the Ron wore America first? Make the
Speaker 2: case to that audience, specifically.
Speaker 3: America first, to my weak way of thinking of It
Speaker 3: is about ensuring that America remains first, and enemies that
Speaker 3: seek a different arrangement, specifically enemies that seek to destroy us,
Speaker 3: or as the Iranians have said, oh billions of times
Speaker 3: since you know, in nineteen seventy nine, to bring death
Speaker 3: to America are not left in a position to do that.
Speaker 3: That is the essence of America first, as far as
Speaker 3: I'm concerned, and I find myself profoundly distressed by people
Speaker 3: who profess a commitment to that principle and who don't
Speaker 3: see how central this is to it.
Speaker 2: Frank the last one I want to get to us
Speaker 2: different subject matter. But when we've been tracking it right
Speaker 2: bar for ten years and it feels like it's finally
Speaker 2: getting some mainstream attention, which is a positive, which is
Speaker 2: the jihad against Christians in Nigeria. Why do you think
Speaker 2: people care all of a sudden and what is what
Speaker 2: do you think people need to know about this?
Speaker 3: Oh? I pray you're right, Alex, that people care about it.
Speaker 3: I've been enormously gratified that President Trump has, at least,
Speaker 3: you know, on some for very important occasions, cared about it.
Speaker 3: I think he cares about the persecution of Christians generally.
Speaker 3: But this is a key point. I think that probably
Speaker 3: nobody actually knows this is so. But a group called
Speaker 3: Open Doors USA, of course, has an annual tally of
Speaker 3: the number of Christians they believe are being heavily persecuted,
Speaker 3: not just your guarden variety, you know, unpleasantness, but being
Speaker 3: tortured by being in prison, by being raped, by having
Speaker 3: there's stuff taken, by being murdered in many cases. That
Speaker 3: number today, alex is estimated to be three hundred and
Speaker 3: eighty eight million Christians. That's more than every man, woman
Speaker 3: and child in the United States. Nigeria happens to be
Speaker 3: getting some attention at last, because this isn't every day
Speaker 3: horrifically ghoulishly, demonically horrible form of persecution. These people are
Speaker 3: simply being outright hacked to death, in many cases, murdered
Speaker 3: for no reason other than they follow Jesus Christ. Oh,
Speaker 3: maybe they've got a piece of land, or they've got cattle,
Speaker 3: or they've got some property that people want, but they'll
Speaker 3: get But unless we change the calculation, Alex. And this
Speaker 3: is why we put together a group called Save the
Speaker 3: Persecuted Christians about ten years ago. Now, I think is
Speaker 3: to not just try to relieve the suffering of all
Speaker 3: of these Christians who are being horribly treated. And it's
Speaker 3: not just by Muslims, most of them are, but it's
Speaker 3: you know, it's the North Koreans, it's the Chinese as well.
Speaker 3: But to actually hold the people who are doing the
Speaker 3: persecuting accountable and create disincentives for them to do so,
Speaker 3: because otherwise it's all upside You get their stuff, you
Speaker 3: kill them, that takes to you, to Alla and all that.
Speaker 3: That's totally unacceptable. And what Donald Trump did, to his
Speaker 3: great credit, I believe it was on Christmas Day, if
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, he launched an attack on a gaggle
Speaker 3: of I think it was Bocohram or other jihadis in
Speaker 3: Nigeria and killed a whole bunch of them, and for
Speaker 3: a short time there was a little bit of relief.
Speaker 3: But he's not holding the government accountable. He's not creating
Speaker 3: disincentives to that government as he must. And this is
Speaker 3: one of the things that we're encouraging, not just there,
Speaker 3: but elsewhere around the world as well.
Speaker 2: Frank Kafney tell everyone where you get all your stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, there's lots of different places. I think the easiest
Speaker 3: way is Securing America dot substack dot com. That's where
Speaker 3: you can subscribe to the Secure Freedom Minute. You can
Speaker 3: follow the shows on Real America's Voice if you don't
Speaker 3: want to be up at the three hours of the morning,
Speaker 3: and you can find our other stuff there as well
Speaker 3: as at us future dot org.
Speaker 2: Very good, and give us that Sharia website again, Ben
Speaker 2: Sharia dot com. Being sure that could have been cheap.
Speaker 2: That's a good one.
Speaker 3: That was actually very cheap.
Speaker 2: It's great to have you back with me and let's
Speaker 2: do these more often again. That's it for today. Thanks
Speaker 2: Michie for putting it together, and everyone in the audience
Speaker 2: they Frank Japhane, you see you next time.
Speaker 3: God bless you.