WEBVTT - What Does Victory Against Iran Actually Look Like? With National Security Expert Frank Gaffney 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.440 He's editor in chief of Breitbart News and a New 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.000 York Times best selling author, and on this podcast he 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:12.240 brings deep research, prescient analysis at world class guests. He's 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:18.520 Alex Marlow, and this is the Alex Marlow Show all right. 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:20.599 Back when I hosted bright Bart News Daily, I would 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:23.160 have Frank Gafney on every single week to talk about 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.599 all sorts of things, national security, forum, policy, a plethora 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:28.720 of knowledge and one of the people I would say 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:30.840 is some of the most longevity in the conservative movement 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.760 of anyone who's still active today. And he's involved in 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:36.760 a bunch of great groups right now, including his show 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:38.960 in Real America's Voice, which I know is probably familiar 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.400 to many of you. You should go to his latest website, 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.160 band Sharia dot cozit dot com or dot org, Frank 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.240 dot com, dot Combansharia dot com. We're gonna talk about 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:50.080 that in a second. He also is involved with something 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:53.520 called the Institute for the American Future Usfuture dot org 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.240 for that and just somebod who's very knowledgeable about all 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.560 things jihad fry. Let's start there, because the big thing 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.520 going on right now in all the news is the 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.040 Iran war, and I feel like, we have a lot 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.800 of mutual friends who don't see the logic behind Trump 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:16.240 trying to destroy Iron's nuclear capabilities, And there's some arguments 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.240 that I understand, and a lot of them are watching 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.120 play out. There are a lot of unforeseen downstream of facts. 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.240 Whenever you get involved in war of this nature with 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:28.240 a pretty sophisticated, pretty big power halfway around the world, 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.400 things never go perfectly according to plan. But I feel 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:32.920 like there are a lot of people who I think 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.400 have been pretty smart on national security foreign policy issues 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.600 for a long time who didn't understand that, well, maybe 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.640 it's a pretty good idea to not have an Iranian 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:43.680 government with nuclear weapons. It just seemed like something was 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:45.720 pretty fundamental. We talked about that for a while and 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.440 then somehow that got lost at the beginning of the war. 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:53.880 All that to say, where do you think we're at 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.800 with this thing with Iran? What's your take overall? I 0:01:57.840 --> 0:01:59.040 think we're in the end game. 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.400 I don't know how long that endgame is going to 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:07.040 take and can't say for certain how it will play out, 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:10.960 but I do think that there's a tipping point, and 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.200 I think we're either at it or they have now 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:17.639 passed it in the sense that I think the die 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:22.920 if you will is cast on this regime in Tehran, 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:30.240 that it has watched and presided over the destruction of 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:38.040 essentially the offensive power that it represents. To be sure, 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:42.800 the Chinese are busily trying to restore it and expand it. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:47.920 But I think what is now in prospect is the 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:53.480 playing out of the end of the security apparatus that 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:57.880 keeps the Iranian regime in power, and that without it, 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.040 I believe that people of Iran to take matters into 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.720 their own hands. I'm prayed that this would have happened 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:07.160 a long time before. Now. The conditions have not been 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:11.840 ripe because the guys with the guns are still exclusively 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:17.920 the jihadist government guys. But I believe that's changing, and 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.840 I think that more to the point, what is crippling 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.720 the whole operation is that the money is being cut off, 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:31.359 and typically that does have a bearing on the willingness 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:39.280 of yeah, even ideologically committed you know, Seria supremacists I 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:43.600 call them, because at some point you can't eat, you 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:48.480 can't feed your family, you can't you know, stay in business, 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.400 and all of that is very much a work in progress. 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.760 I will stipulate, but I think it's moving in the 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.240 right direction at last. And I just pray that President 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:00.600 Trump is going to stay the course because I think 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.800 if he does, he wins. If he doesn't, he loses, 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.040 as does America. 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.120 So many things in there, But first of all, let's 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.440 define victory. What does the victory look like from your 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:13.320 vantage point? 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.840 I think it is regime change. I think it is 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:23.400 the end of a totalitarian, demonic death cult that has 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:27.320 misruled this country for so long and has cost its 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:31.520 people incalculably and threaten the rest of the world, including US. 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:37.719 I don't see any other outcome. Alexis being victorious. I 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:41.119 think we can kid ourselves, but it'll be just back 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.040 in at some point in the foreseeable future if we 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:45.240 settle for something less. 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:47.919 So let's talk about what that would look like and 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.120 what our role would be in it, because there's a 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:54.320 bunch of stuff here that plays plan out. Because if 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.040 you look at the nature of how Aron was able 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:02.719 just to slaughter like dogs, any peaceful demonstrators in just 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:04.960 a couple of week period, killing tens of thousands of them. 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.360 Don't Trump is talking about this this week. They're not 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.359 really armed at least not to the point where they 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.760 could fight back against IRGC or any sort of iron 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.120 face that comes down. And how what's the plan in 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:20.039 arming them? And is there potentially any sort of a 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:24.360 opposition leadership that could inspire the people, because that's one 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.120 where we talk about all the time, but I just 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:27.200 don't see one emerging. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.560 So I take those on for me. Well, the arming 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:36.640 question is one that I think is probably most easily 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:41.479 resolved by having the military of Iran come out of 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:45.520 its barracks and help bring about the end of the regime. 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:50.799 They've got plenty of weapons. The thing that will tip 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.480 the balance, I think, and I would strongly recommend, is 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.120 letting the Israelis resume what they were doing with considerable 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:09.080 effect before this, namely having Iranian opposition elements providing targeting 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:14.360 information about where the IRGC or the besiegee they're sort 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:19.480 of sugs were holding checkpoints or having sniper positions or 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:24.200 what have you. Let the Israelis level that battle space, 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.919 and then I think you create especially if the funds 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:31.240 are cutting, you are literally being cut off and the 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.800 regime cannot pay the military. I believe they will be 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.799 part of the solution to this problem. I think they've 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.239 not been part of the problem for quite some time. 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:45.080 But I think that's also because we haven't been attacking them, 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.120 but we have been going after the security apparatus and 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.559 rightly so what's the opposition leadership that's going to emerge 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:55.040 from all of this? I don't know. I don't have 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:59.320 any sense that anybody else does either. Who's on the 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:03.680 ground inside Iran? Who could emerge? Are there people there? 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.320 Surely there are. I mean this, as is often noted, 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:12.560 a very very sophisticated populace. They've wanted a regime change 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:16.040 for forty seven years, many of them. I think there's 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.840 almost certainly efforts that have been made that we're unaware 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.600 of that are going to bring that forward. You know, 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:26.360 is the Crown Prince player? I don't know. He certainly 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.480 looks good to us, but he's not been in Iran 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:31.920 for fifty years? Does it look good to them? You 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:37.000 hear his name repeated oftentimes in these demonstrations. Does that 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.040 mean they want him? I don't know. Could he get 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.080 there and survive? I don't know. But what I do 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:47.480 think is what is the alternative to what we have known? 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.040 Is going to be better? And I think we need 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:50.600 to work for it. 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:54.560 Yeah, it's interesting because I would define victory is feeling 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:59.080 like we can successfully convince people that aron nuclear capabilities 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.400 are crippled. I think that's pretty much my standard. I 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.800 would love it if their inter continentiabalistic missile development stopped 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.560 and if they stop funding care proxies. That'd be great. 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.240 But the problem with regime change for me is I'm 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.920 just not seeing the process how it plays out unless 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:16.960 there's massive US involvement, and I feel like US getting 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:20.400 involved in the straight. I can picture that we set 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.360 up a system where we're kind of controlling the tolls, 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.360 making sure Ron gets something so they can rebuild their 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.680 country so long as they keep cooperating. Maybe we wet 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:28.800 our beak a little bit. I can picture that, But 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:34.040 just an American presence in Iran on the ground, kind 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.840 of negotiating with the various parties doing regime change, it 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.800 just sounds I can't totally picture it. Can you get there? 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:43.600 I don't think I suggested that neither. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.600 No, no, no, I don't mean you did either. I'm just 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:48.719 trying to figure out what is How does it come 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:48.920 to me? 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:54.640 What has happened in circumstances like this time and time 0:08:54.679 --> 0:09:01.800 after time is people emerge, They come forward, Some are 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:05.480 found wanting and don't last long. Some are found wanting 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.800 and last a long time. But I think that's what's 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:12.720 in prospect here, is they will sort this out. Might 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:14.800 it be messy, you bet, it might be messy. Could 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:19.080 it involve civil war, Yes it could. Could it create 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:25.600 conditions under which a nuclear weapons program, you know, is 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:31.240 able to persist? I think that's a possibility. But I 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:36.040 do think that the more rigorous we are in rooting 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:40.960 out from above and with the help of the Israelis 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:45.600 the elements of the apparatus that has preserved these guys 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:49.199 in power, the more likely we're going to have alternatives 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:53.120 that are actually very much aligned with our interests and 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:58.280 those of the Iranian people. Is it a bankable proposition? No, 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:03.000 But is it likely to be better than what we've 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.480 been subjected to and they've been subjected to one hundred percent. 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:11.040 It's interesting to track the rhetoric coming from sector of 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.199 war and the president and if you look of the 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:14.960 last couple of days, and I don't know this is 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.880 just them being skilled rhetoricians or if it's true, but 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.679 it seems like they're kind of toying with the Iranians. 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:22.040 And this speaks to your premise of that we're the 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.680 endgame here, that they're acting very confident, like they've got 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.880 this in the bag and it's just a matter of 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:30.640 some of these little skirmishes could play themselves out and 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.439 then we'll eventually get a deal done. But I do 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.839 feel like domestically the real enemy to President Trump, and 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:41.200 I want you to evaluate this statement. The real enemy 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.000 is coming domestic because there's so many people who are 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.840 trying to root against him for whatever reason, because they 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:48.440 want to see him fail, They want to see the 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:52.400 Republicans lose the midterms. They want to prove their own 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.760 theory that if Trump does it, it must be wrong, 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.559 which a lot of people have just staked a lot 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:00.800 of their credibility on Trump being wrong on this stuff. 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.480 And so it just feels like he has a bit 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.040 of a ticking clock in terms of how much pressure 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.040 the US media, the Democrat establishment, and even members of 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.360 the Mega Coalition can put on him to wrap this 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:15.160 thing up. And I feel like that this is his 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:19.120 body language when he's speaking, I does not convey that 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:20.200 he's nervous I'll tell you that. 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:25.920 Look, he's a showman, and so it may be that 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:32.040 he's simply gifted at trying to obscure the anxiety that 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.800 he feels. I don't know, but I do think that 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:40.520 he knows we've got the strong hand and that if 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:45.959 he doesn't give up most of specially if he doesn't 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.440 accept the terms that the Iranians are offering us in 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:54.840 these negotiations, which are effectively ten amount to our surrender. Yeah, 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:59.760 then he has the opportunity to come out of this decisively. 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:04.840 And you know, I think demonstrating to all of the 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:07.400 people that you mentioned, You're right there are at least 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:10.880 those many factions and probably others that are rooting for 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:15.080 our defeat or at least Trump's defeat, that they were 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:16.680 wrong and he was right. 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:23.560 So what do you feel about the messaging because it 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:28.280 feels like it was not effectively sold initially that hey, 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.839 these guys won't stop trying to enrich to weapons grade 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.480 and we demanded for a long time that they stop, 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.400 and they won't stop, and they're horrible to negotiate with. 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:40.480 And I've spoken Trump about this personally. He's not joking. 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.400 He is joking, but he's not joking when he makes 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.120 fun of he doesn't know who's in charge over there, 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.679 because they have a huge apparatus where they're going to 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.600 run every decision all a million different directions before they 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.960 can approve it. It sounds like a very slow, arduous 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.520 process to even talk to these people. And Trump hates 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.520 that stuff. He likes to move fast, cut deals, move 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.200 on with his life, and all of this pointed towards 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.520 he was going to invade introspect. It made sense to me, 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:04.880 But I don't think any of this was really sold 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.760 that well to even our side, people who tend to 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:08.600 support the president. 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:13.440 Well, I think we can stipulate to that. I think 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.719 the messaging has been execrable, honestly, and it changes all 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.520 the time, which is not helpful. I think. I think 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.880 partly that's because the president has been trying to adapt 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:29.040 to you know, a sort of evolving situation and trying 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:34.520 to throw his enemies and even I think his allies 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:39.239 off balance a bit to you know, keep the initiative. 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:45.040 But I think it could be put better and personally, Alex, 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:48.000 I think that you're right. We do want to make 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:53.719 sure that people who have as a central tenet of 0:13:53.760 --> 0:14:02.360 their Sharia supremacist agenda, the apocalypse. You really don't want 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.240 to have folks like that having the means to bring 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.719 it about, whether it's against Israel or whether it's as 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.880 you say, a long range ballistic missile against places in 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:16.000 this country or otherwise. This is the key point to 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.640 me and why I'm so you know, really insistent that 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:24.560 it would have been helpful if we had said this 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:29.440 won't be over until the guys who have that ideology, 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:33.040 that guys who have brought the world to say nothing 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:39.160 of the Iranian people such you know, devastating terrorism and 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.920 other threats are gone. 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So, Frank, how what do 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.720 you feel like? Do you feel like? Are you any 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:36.520 of the domestic pressures the gas prices, which are I 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.600 believe are a problem. I believe we can hold out 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.240 a little while longer. But I'm sure Aaron is aware 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:44.040 of this, and they feel like that their best move 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.920 is just to try to keep us frustrated as long 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.960 as humanly possible. What are your best and worst case 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:51.520 scenarios here as this plays out? 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:53.840 Well, I think it's not just that they want to 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:58.080 keep us frustrated. They want to stay alive as long 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.520 as they are. As long as there's any basis upon 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:05.720 which they can claim they are still running things, they win. 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:11.040 That's their goal. It's by every objective measure, alex As 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:15.000 you know, they either have lost or are in the 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:18.760 process of losing basically everything. But as long as they're 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:22.400 still kicking, they're going to claim victory. And by the way, 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:26.240 so will every other jihadist on the planet. And that's 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:30.480 what is unacceptable. That's my worst case scenario is that 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:34.720 we will either simply give up for the reasons you've mentioned, 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:39.000 domestic political pressures among them, or we will accept some 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:42.840 kind of you know, false piece. You know they call 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.560 them Hudnah's in the Middle East, and keeping with the 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:49.479 tradition of the so called perfect man Mohammed, who on 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.240 any number of occasions would make a deal with some 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.160 adversary when he was in a losing position, and then 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.919 he would use the time to regroup and rearm and 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:01.560 then go back at it under better circumstances. And that's 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.200 what these guys are hoping to do. My best case 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.520 is the one we've talked about. I think it is 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:11.440 that you actually are at a point where the people 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:15.399 who have kept that regime going are no longer able 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.639 or willing to do so, and the people who have 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:23.560 been desperate for forty odd years to have this nightmare end 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.600 are able to actually call the shots. Those you know, 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:33.440 BESIGI and those IRGC and so on will be out 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:37.719 of business, hopefully out of the country, and the people 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:42.520 who are left are going to be people who want, 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:46.280 at the macro level at the minimum, not to be 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:51.200 threatening the rest of us with either jihad or any 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:54.800 other variant you want to call terrorism. And that better 0:18:54.880 --> 0:19:00.600 yet want to be part of Western civilization. About what 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:02.959 that world would look like, Alex, I mean, it is 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.480 so much to be aspired for. I just I'm sick 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.080 to my stomach at what people who are rooting for 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:14.320 that team are espousing. You know, it's like the Gays 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:17.000 for Palestine, for Heaven's sake, right nuts. 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:20.640 Yeah, So it is interesting, and I want to talk 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:24.000 about this because I want to get to your other focus, 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:28.280 which is trying to stop Sharia from taking over the 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.120 United States, which is definitely fallen off of the top 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.560 tier of our issues. But it does feel like there 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:38.680 are small signs that the Chihati crowd, the Sharia crowd, 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.640 is making progress within the United States. But I want 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.360 you to set up what you think is going on, 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:46.359 what you're fighting against at a macro level, and then 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:48.239 I'm going to ask you. I think there are some 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:52.240 micro examples that are really concerning right now, and I 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.119 want to go through some of those, but start with 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:57.720 the premise Sharia supremacism, could it really come here in 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:58.439 the United States? 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:03.439 Well, let me just if I may back up just 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:07.439 a minute, because the same people that are trying to 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:12.119 win in Iran, Yes, but more generally in the Middle 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:16.160 East are the people who are seeking to impose Sharia 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:20.760 in this country, same ideology for sure. In some cases 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:23.760 actually the same people. The Muslim Brotherhood comes to mind, 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:27.840 for example, the Iranians with their you know, assassination squads 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:32.800 and has elements in this country and the like. The 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:35.520 thing that makes me craziest Alex and I have to 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:40.160 tell you I miss our conversations because it was often 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:42.719 a corrective to this sort of thing. But we have 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:48.320 mutual friends, yeah, who are all about the problem of 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:52.040 sharia inside the United States, have been doing you know, 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.760 heroic work calling it out, warning about it, trying to 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:59.760 mobilize people, helping, among other things, to get one point 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:05.080 nine million Texans to vote for a proposition on March third, 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:10.639 saying five words, Texas should prohibituarial law. But they don't 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:15.120 seem to get that it is basically the same thing 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:18.040 that we're dealing with over there, and the guys who 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:21.719 we're dealing with over there want desperately to ensure that 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:26.280 we're subjected to it here. So are there micro examples 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:30.600 of how this is metastasizing in this country? You bet? 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:33.280 And I'm all about it. This is why we're running 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:39.120 a campaign we called Starting in Texas, Save Texas, Save America, 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:46.560 because we must mobilize truly. I mean, it's not just 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:50.680 a campaign, it's a movement that's needed here to try 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:54.320 to ensure that the guys who have been beavering away 0:21:54.359 --> 0:22:00.960 at this for over sixty years, notably, primarily not exclusively, 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:08.240 the Muslim Brotherhood, are unable to subvert our constitutional republic 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:12.359 from within by this kind of well, I call it 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:16.760 frog boiling. It's not the violent kind of jihad at 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:19.520 the moment, though that could change at any time. But 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:24.200 it's the stealthy civilization jihad they call it, and they've 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:27.280 been hard at it. And whether it's building out the 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:33.240 infrastructure of mosques and madrases and you know, Islamic centers 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:39.520 and front groups and terrorist cells, or whether it's just 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:44.040 you know, getting an epic city built here, or you know, 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.760 a Mamdani taking over in New York City, or a 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:52.359 lieutenant governor taking over in Virginia, or any number of 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:56.520 others ham Tramic, dearborn, you know, you name it. Where 0:22:56.560 --> 0:23:03.040 you're seeing people do, among other thingstoral jihad. And this 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:06.840 is a very dangerous thing because as we're watching in Britain. 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:13.119 By block voting in close elections, Muslims can get either 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:16.600 a Muslim who is a Sharia supremacist. Not all of 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:19.960 them are, but the ones who aren't are called apostates, 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:22.640 and they generally don't put their head above the parapet 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:26.040 because they'll get it cut off. But the ones who 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:29.280 are Sharia supremacists are the ones that are now in 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:33.280 the four and they believe, as in Britain, as in 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:37.200 the Netherlands, as in Belgium, as in Germany, as in Italy, 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:42.560 as in France, as in Sweden, they're winning and we 0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:45.960 must disabuse them of that notion. And the only way 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:48.120 I can think to do it is by making this 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:54.600 banning Sharia a national voting issue. And to that end, 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.200 we've got something we call the Sharia Free Pledge at 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:01.000 Mansharia dot com, which I hope everyone listens. Will ask 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:04.479 a candidate who is seeking their vote to sign a 0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:08.960 pledge saying I pledge to my constituents in my district 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:15.240 and the American people that I will oppose the imposition 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:20.880 of Sharia in America. That's what we need people to embrace, 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:23.280 and if we do, I think we save this country 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:26.120 from the faith that these guys have in mind for us, 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:30.080 which is the end of the republic and just another 0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:35.080 part of a global califate with slavery on all kinds 0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:37.120