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Speaker 1: Reach goals you never thought possible.

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Speaker 2: Colossians two, verse six says, So, then, just as you

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Speaker 2: received Christ Jesus's Lord, continue to live your lives in Him,

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Speaker 2: rooted and built up in him.

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Speaker 1: Amen. Now let's roll.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Welcome back into the Built Different Podcasts. As always,

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Speaker 2: I'll be your host today, doctor Zach Clinton, joined by

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Speaker 2: my old man himself, doctor Tim Clinton, sitting over there

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Speaker 2: in the far seat, President of the AACC, Director of

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Speaker 2: the Global Center for Human Flourishing, at Liberty University Dead.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me today. Go easy

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Speaker 2: on me, Come on, I always jug around with them. No,

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Speaker 2: but I want to say this. We're backstage here Tulsa,

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma at the Maybe Center. Eight thousand women sold out

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Speaker 2: crowd for our second stop of our twenty twenty six

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Speaker 2: by Still Water's Extraordinary Women Tour. And God has fallen

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Speaker 2: all over this place, especially while using who I believe

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Speaker 2: is one of his greatest mouthpieces for today's generations.

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Speaker 1: Miss Jenny Allen, who's in the house.

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Speaker 2: Renowned speaker, She's a podcaster, she's an author, she is

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Speaker 2: somebody that God is using to see revival across college campuses,

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Speaker 2: within prisons, and really to get to the heart of

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Speaker 2: the Big Sea global church.

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Speaker 1: Jenny our friend. Thank you so much for Jenny welcome.

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Speaker 3: I always love be with you guys. I'm so oh

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Speaker 3: just grateful for the work you do. And it's always

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Speaker 3: an honor.

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Speaker 2: To be Jenny hearing you and what God did in

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Speaker 2: that place, just through your heart, through your vulnerability, calling

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Speaker 2: people into confession, calling people back to the Lord. You

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Speaker 2: mentioned a word that I want to touch on just upfront,

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Speaker 2: and we're talking about what happened at Southeastern University Asbury.

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Speaker 2: Just the revival we've seen Unite College campus crusades. It's remarkable.

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Speaker 2: I was talking to Dad, I was talking to your husband, Zach.

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Speaker 2: It just seems like wherever revival is breaking out, there's

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Speaker 2: an anointing on Jenny Allen's life to be in the room. Jenny,

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Speaker 2: talk about the desperation that you're seeing in this generation.

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Speaker 4: Well, I have been really blessed.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm going to have to count up exactly

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Speaker 3: how many rooms I would call revival. And let me

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Speaker 3: just say what I mean by that that it's a

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Speaker 3: mass level of repentance, a mass level of salvations.

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Speaker 4: Y'all have experienced that.

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Speaker 3: In fact, they were calling I wasn't out there just

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Speaker 3: now because I was coming here, but they just did

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Speaker 3: that an alter call. Yeah, And so you know, there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of different ways to define that, but I

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Speaker 3: where you see repentance, you see coming to Jesus. And

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Speaker 3: I have been in the room a lot, and I

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Speaker 3: would just say it's such an honor to see it

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Speaker 3: every time, and you can't believe it. And when you're

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Speaker 3: That's what First John tells us, is that if we

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Speaker 5: They've even gotten to a place maybe where they thought

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Speaker 3: I think shame. I'm so glad you said that word.

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Speaker 3: Our friend, doctor Kurt Thompson and you love him as well,

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Speaker 3: wrote a book called The Soul of Shame, and it

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Speaker 3: was such a powerful work because I don't know if

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Speaker 3: what he says is, you know, sin is actually not

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I know that that is the ploy and

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Speaker 3: there is no condemnation for those who in Christ Jesus.

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Speaker 3: So when someone does this, when someone says the thing

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Speaker 4: And I've seen that over and over again.

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Speaker 5: at the end of the counseling session. She'd say, I

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Speaker 1: And this went on for weeks. Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 5: Lies wants keep us in the lies and in the

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Speaker 2: Jenny, I want to ask, because this book the lie

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Speaker 2: you don't know you believe, how to find it, fight

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Speaker 2: it and live free. You talk about three primary core

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Speaker 2: their life probably fights. I'm worthless, I'm helpless, I'm unlovable.

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Speaker 2: even up there in lines in this room, in this space,

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Speaker 2: what are some of the biggest lies that they're coming

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Speaker 3: So those three lives are actually taken from psychology one

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Speaker 4: That's not me.

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Speaker 3: I didn't come up with that. That is researched and

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Speaker 3: studied and accepted as poor identity lives. And so those

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Speaker 3: three lies aren't completely recognizable in our lives. We don't

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Speaker 3: We're not sitting around saying I'm worthless all the time, right, Like,

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Speaker 4: I need to strive. I need to hit the mark

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Speaker 4: in order to be accepted.

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Speaker 3: Or I don't know what to do when people don't

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm thinking of Jamie Winship as that book

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Speaker 4: You know, you don't take it for granted. And I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you talk about lies, you talk about chain.

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Speaker 2: Really this is a conversation about identity, and we know

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Speaker 2: it was called who knew God lived so close to

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Speaker 2: the bathroom floor because she was talking about one night

441
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Speaker 2: being sick on the bathroom floor, feeling a banded, feeling unlovable.

442
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Speaker 4: Fields completely, I've been there.

443
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Speaker 3: Yeah, not in the same way, but yes, bathroom floor

444
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Speaker 3: has been my place where I've met Jesus the most.

445
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you talk to us out there that God

446
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Speaker 2: isn't the one holding the stone, but he's on the

447
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Speaker 2: ground with us in the middle of these moments.

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Speaker 1: Take us there if you would.

449
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that that message.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so many of the moments with Jesus, he

451
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Speaker 3: did so much showing and not telling.

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Speaker 4: I love that about him. He would just show us

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Speaker 4: and not tell us.

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Speaker 3: And you know I heard oftentimes it taught like about

455
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Speaker 3: what Jesus was writing in the dirt when the woman

456
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Speaker 3: was about to be stoned, and I've you know, people

457
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Speaker 3: would guess, and I've heard sermons about it and like

458
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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 1: Like their names.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm like, that's the point, guys, we're the point.

461
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Speaker 3: We would know what it said, you know. I think

462
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Speaker 3: the better image is that this woman was likely on

463
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Speaker 3: the ground, and this woman was likely completely distraught, and

464
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Speaker 3: he got as close as he could to her with

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Speaker 3: while still being appropriate in that day. And I just

466
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Speaker 3: believe that's true. I think I just know Jesus and

467
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Speaker 3: that's what he would do. He would try to go

468
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Speaker 3: get as close as he could to her. And you know,

469
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Speaker 3: he was the only one that could throw the stone.

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Speaker 3: I mean in the passage, it says, whoever hasn't sinned

471
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Speaker 3: throw the first stone, and everybody leaves, and he's the

472
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Speaker 3: one standing and he's the one that could, and he didn't.

473
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Speaker 3: But I do think I am ministering to young people,

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Speaker 3: young adults. There is a regular belief that God is

475
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Speaker 3: disappointed in them. And when I preach on the love,

476
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Speaker 3: the great love of God, the seven foot I'll never

477
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Speaker 3: forget the seven foot big athlete came up to me tears.

478
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Speaker 3: He wasn't even wiping away running down his face, and

479
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Speaker 3: he said, Miss Jenny, I just didn't know God loved me.

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Speaker 4: It was that simple, That's all he could say. And

481
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Speaker 4: he just kept crying.

482
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Speaker 3: He was smiling while he cried, and I it was

483
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Speaker 3: such I will never forget that moment because it was

484
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Speaker 3: it was a remind as someone who is an evangelist,

485
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Speaker 3: as someone who is sharing the love of Jesus regularly.

486
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Speaker 4: Don't miss the point. Like people don't know.

487
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Speaker 3: They literally think God is holding the stone, that God

488
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Speaker 3: is disappointed in them, and they don't know that they

489
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Speaker 3: don't have to live with all these lives and they

490
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 3: don't have to live in bondage, and it's like freedom

491
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 3: feels too foreign. They can't imagine it. But something about

492
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Speaker 3: the love of God is drawing these students to Jesus.

493
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Speaker 4: And it's not.

494
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Speaker 1: It's not feared or relationship.

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Speaker 5: And He has written it into our hearts, a set

496
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Speaker 5: eternity in our heart's Ecclesiases three eleven. And so then

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Speaker 5: I think you're right, Jenny. The healing path always has

498
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Speaker 5: to begin with the affection of God. What doesn't mean

499
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Speaker 5: to be loved because we're wired to love and be

500
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Speaker 5: loved no more beautiful thing in the whole world than

501
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Speaker 5: to be in a relationship with someone's supposed to love

502
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Speaker 5: you and they actually love you.

503
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Speaker 1: Nothing more painful than to be.

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Speaker 5: In a relationship with someone's supposed to love you and

505
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 5: they don't love you, or you don't feel loved by them.

506
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Speaker 5: So when all of a sudden, the flood's gates come

507
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Speaker 5: open and you're broken and bearing in those moments, you're

508
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 5: going to turn to deep desperation and darkness, or you're

509
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 5: going to reach You know that. And God hates it

510
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 5: when we reach for something else. He simply wants us

511
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Speaker 5: to run. That's the sacred romances, going back to Eldridge

512
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 5: and Company, you know that. And so it's like this power,

513
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 5: by the way, unbelievable when you can get to that place,

514
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 5: but it's so hard to receive that love. Jenny, I

515
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Speaker 5: want to go into modern day culture just for a second.

516
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Speaker 5: Toss it back to Zach. But when you look at

517
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Speaker 5: what's happening with let's talk about women, girls in particular.

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Speaker 5: You look at a CDC report comes out that says

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Speaker 5: fifty seven percent of our daughters and our granddaughters feel

520
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Speaker 5: persistently sad.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the CDC report.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I know, thirty percent have seriously contemplated suicide.

523
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Speaker 5: You're not talking about a mental health crisis. You're talking

524
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Speaker 5: about a mental health disaster. And you've got something in

525
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Speaker 5: culture that's running absolutely amock crazy. This thing's this is

526
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Speaker 5: title waving it away from us. And there's this pool

527
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Speaker 5: at the same time with this desperation piece. Okay, how

528
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Speaker 5: and what are you doing these moments? You just saw

529
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Speaker 5: eight thousand women out there. You could see it, you

530
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Speaker 5: could read the room.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they're all raising their hand. This is me.

532
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Speaker 1: I'm stuck.

533
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Speaker 4: I think we are.

534
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Speaker 3: We're in the darkest of times, you know, the best

535
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Speaker 3: of times and the worst of times exactly. So let's

536
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Speaker 3: be honest about that. And I know it's true, Like

537
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Speaker 3: I bet it's worse.

538
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Speaker 4: I mean, I really do.

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Speaker 3: I hate to say that, but when we're talking about

540
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Speaker 3: young people, they give in phones at such a young age,

541
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Speaker 3: they're comparing themselves to the most beautiful people in the world.

542
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Speaker 3: At such a young age, they believe they're worthless, that

543
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Speaker 3: they are not lovable, that they are not beautiful, that

544
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Speaker 3: they are there there is nothing good about their lives.

545
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: They are sent that message indirectly and directly unfortunately, over

546
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Speaker 3: and over again, and there is no unless you throw.

547
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Speaker 1: It's like we can't compete.

548
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Speaker 5: Ye that talks about the phone, he talks about porn,

549
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Speaker 5: and he talks about pressures.

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Speaker 1: That's a toxic mix, it is.

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Speaker 5: And everybody's getting lost in in Jenny and we're fighting,

552
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Speaker 5: trying to hold out and get bring some type of

553
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Speaker 5: message of hope back.

554
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Speaker 1: But it's like the church isn't winning here. Yep, you

555
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yep.

556
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Speaker 3: It's scary, and we need to I think we need

557
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Speaker 3: to be really radical with how we're going to continue

558
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Speaker 3: to do this life. I mean, I think, you know,

559
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Speaker 3: we need to be looking into I mean my prayer

560
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Speaker 3: and I really believe this is about to happen, that

561
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Speaker 3: gen Z is going to create technology that protects us

562
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Speaker 3: better than anyone because they've been addicted for so long. Yep,

563
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Speaker 3: there's got to be better technology.

564
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Speaker 5: I'd love how you say that, because I found out

565
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Speaker 5: with college kids, they're going to be tough on their kids.

566
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Speaker 1: They are then sure their mom and dad were on

567
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Speaker 1: their kids, on them.

568
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Speaker 3: Thank me for everything I did, and they will be

569
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Speaker 3: way more radical. I mean, my daughter is in college,

570
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Speaker 3: and she told me that the big hot thing right

571
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Speaker 3: now is brick, which is oh, yeah, you know, yeah,

572
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Speaker 3: you put it on and it blocks all your socials

573
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Speaker 3: and and she said, we're all using it.

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Speaker 4: We're using it all the time. I call it old

575
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Speaker 4: money and new money.

576
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Speaker 3: I think our generations were kind of new money, and

577
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 3: we just got these phones and we knew what it

578
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 3: was like to not have them, and we got addicted.

579
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Speaker 3: And I think they watched it all and they watched

580
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Speaker 3: it in themselves and their friends, and they're like, we're

581
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Speaker 3: not doing this anymore. Most of my kids are not

582
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Speaker 3: regularly on social media. Most of my kids give their

583
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Speaker 3: password to someone that they love and and they don't

584
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Speaker 3: get in until I mean, they've set their own boundaries

585
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Speaker 3: as adults and young adults.

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Speaker 4: That just blows me away.

587
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Speaker 3: And so I do think it's there to be wiser,

588
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: They're going to be more cautious.

589
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Speaker 4: I'm believing in that.

590
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Speaker 3: But at the same time, we do have an epidemic

591
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 3: and it is it is terrifying, and yet I watch

592
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 3: every day and dare we lose hope because we have

593
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 3: the hope of the world and it works.

594
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Speaker 4: We haven't seen it work and I've seen it.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'll be baptizing a little girl and she's

596
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Speaker 3: like I named suicide ideation tonight, and I will pray

597
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Speaker 3: over her. I will baptize her in the name of Jesus.

598
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Speaker 3: She will come up and there will be a lightness.

599
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Speaker 4: And a joy to her.

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Speaker 3: That makes me question my theology on baptism because I'm like,

601
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Speaker 3: what is even happening?

602
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 4: Like this is this is real?

603
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 3: Like it is something is falling off of her. We

604
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: need to get crazy in our prayer lives. We need

605
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Speaker 3: to be crazy parents.

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Speaker 2: I am.

607
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Speaker 3: You know, you pray over those babies, you who cares

608
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 3: what they think they'll understand and appreciate it one day,

609
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 3: like you pray over their room, you pray over everything

610
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: about their lives, and you pray against the evil that

611
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 3: is coming toward them. Is a scheme and we've got

612
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 3: to fight it. And as as the people that are

613
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: raising the next generation, like we need to be and

614
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: you know, grandparenting the next generation, we need to be weird,

615
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: we need.

616
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Speaker 1: To be wed.

617
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 4: Come on, and I just, I mean, I just.

618
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: Don't care anymore what my kids said, we were My

619
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: son in law was facing something hard.

620
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Speaker 4: We all we're out to eat, he's sharing it.

621
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Speaker 3: We all load up in my car and we're laying

622
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: hands on him and we are praying against dark folds.

623
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Speaker 4: Like that's where we are these days.

624
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, we do.

625
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 4: I don't care. I'm like, I don't care what anyone

626
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 4: thinks we are. We're going to be crazy.

627
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Speaker 1: Asian six is still in the Bible. That's exactly right.

628
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Speaker 1: I mean, we're a fight. We're in a fight. We're

629
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Speaker 1: in a fight.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you this, Jenny, because at events

631
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Speaker 2: like this, at gatherings, you pray that it's not just

632
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: a moment, that it's not just this, you know, this

633
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: spiritual high. And then people leave here at the Maybe

634
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: Center wherever they're at, and then they go home. They're

635
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: listening to a podcast. Maybe they've been believing a lie

636
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: for far too long. Maybe they're willing to proclaim the

637
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: truth today. And you know what, maybe I'll ask the question,

638
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: what if God really does love me? What I want

639
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: to ask then is what are some next steps? So

640
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: it's not just a moment, but it's more of a

641
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: movement back to God.

642
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

643
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Speaker 3: I think it's interesting because a lot of us are watching.

644
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Speaker 4: I get this.

645
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Speaker 3: A lot of us are watching things happen on the internet.

646
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Speaker 3: So so of course, as you can imagine, I get

647
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: a lot of negative feedback, and it's things.

648
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 4: This is emotionalism.

649
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 3: And I mean I was just a on a campus

650
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Speaker 3: where they've worshiped God for ten days and ten nights,

651
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 3: and I go and they didn't look at their phones.

652
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: I mean, like you could look out, nobody was on

653
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Speaker 3: their phone. I'm like, can you imagine even six hours

654
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: of worshiping God and not looking at your phone. I

655
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 3: was like, I'm sorry, Like that is more than just

656
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 3: an emotional reaction. So I think we need to give

657
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 3: a little more credit to moments that are markers. I

658
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: believe it's markers. It's not just a spiritual high. It's

659
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Speaker 3: a marker where God does something that causes.

660
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Speaker 4: Breakthrough in your life.

661
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Speaker 3: Where there's before you knew that, and then it's after

662
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Speaker 3: you knew that. So it's before you name your sin,

663
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 3: and after you name your sin. It's before you name

664
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Speaker 3: the abortion, after you name the abortion. So I do

665
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: believe in response, and I think that's what we're giving people.

666
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: That's what just happened in the room with Hula today

667
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: is she gave people a chance to respond to the gospel.

668
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, there is before you walk forward and accepted Jesus,

669
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Speaker 3: and there is out there a little let's get more

670
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Speaker 3: credit to these rooms where people are doing brave work

671
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Speaker 3: to respond to Jesus.

672
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 4: I will defend that and then too.

673
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: But I absolutely know what you meant by the question,

674
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 3: because we you know, I love U. Pastor John Tyson

675
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: said calls it revivalship.

676
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Speaker 4: I was like, I love that one. I'm taking that part.

677
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: I'll give him credit, but that is brilliant because it's like, yes,

678
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: you want your heart to be revived, and then you've

679
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 3: got to be discipled into the new way that you're

680
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: going to live now, and so that takes the church.

681
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: So what this moment should be for anyone listening is

682
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Speaker 3: you're you're now in the game. So I've been given

683
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Speaker 3: a microphone to and a publisher to write to a

684
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Speaker 3: lot of people to hopefully cause.

685
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 4: The breakthrough moment.

686
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: Great, who cares if that doesn't move toward discipleships.

687
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 4: So that's the call for the church.

688
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Speaker 3: So for fifteen years, I was the girl that had

689
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Speaker 3: fifteen girls in our living room that I discipled. I

690
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: never had a platform, I never had a book or

691
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: a microphone or even a blog or a Twitter. You know,

692
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: I had a living room and I would make cookies

693
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: and I would have them over and we would open

694
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: the Word of God together and we would talk about

695
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: what was really going on.

696
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 4: Right, we would name the real things.

697
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Speaker 3: I remember my first study that got published was called Stuck,

698
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: and it was clip arted and it was God in

699
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Speaker 3: your emotions.

700
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 4: That was what Stuck was originally called.

701
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 3: I was so brilliantly creative and probably cut out like

702
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 3: a sad face and emojis.

703
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 4: Who knows, they probably didn't have emojis back then.

704
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: But all that to say, it was rough and it

705
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 3: was powerful, and people were set free and people could

706
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: have those markers in that living room and they.

707
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 4: Were learning to love Jesus.

708
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: And they many of them came to Jesus in my

709
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: living room and for the first time. And so I

710
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: just think we've got to be committed to the living rooms.

711
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: We've got to be committed to individuals. Real life on

712
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: life discipleship is how we change the world and local churches.

713
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 3: I mean, that was the method. You know, you always

714
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 3: want to look at how did Jesus do it? Yes,

715
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: he spoke to the five thousand but he really focused

716
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: on the twelve and he called us to be the

717
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: Church to each other, and so acts two. You see

718
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: the model for that. And I think we've just got

719
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 3: to be committed to local churches. Local churches can do

720
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 3: so much for us. They can give us a chance

721
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: to serve. They can give us a chance to know Jesus,

722
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: to hold babies, to be intergenerational. There's so many things

723
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Speaker 3: local churches do. And I I really see gen Z

724
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: loving the church and coming back to the church. But

725
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: I'm really praying that jen X, you know, boomers millennials

726
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: would come back to the church as well.

727
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that. About discipleship, John

728
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: Orburg once said that Jesus never placed deficiency over intimacy.

729
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: He was perfectly willing to do his work more slowly

730
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: if it meant connecting with those that he loved more deeply.

731
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Speaker 2: And I think that's the idea of mastering yard of

732
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: the shared experience. That's it intimacy, It really is.

733
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Speaker 5: A few years back, Jenny Larry Krabb was gone now

734
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 5: talked about the safest place on earth, and he really

735
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 5: wanted to challenge the church into biblical community. Wanted to

736
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 5: see the Christian counseling movement root itself in the church.

737
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 5: I've always through the years seen Christian counseling as discipleship,

738
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 5: but as a part of the journey, not separate from

739
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 5: the Church, but at the heart of the Church, so

740
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 5: that people are free in Christ. Yes, and so we

741
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 5: can grow up into christ relationship hold.

742
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 4: But I have to respond to that.

743
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: Every time Tim, we talk about this movement of counselors

744
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 3: that you get to be a part of and train

745
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 3: and all the work you've done over decades, I get

746
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 3: chills because it is so needed, and you are empowering

747
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: and releasing frontlines, healthcare workers, middle health care work. I mean,

748
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: it's incredible. I'm mass It's just so everybody needs to

749
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 3: know about it. It's really I'm not just tune your horn.

750
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 3: I feel it in my bones. Whenever you talk about it.

751
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 5: God's doing something, you know, He's pushing us all and

752
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 5: as you as you're pression pressing to a relationship with God,

753
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 5: it just kind of rewires things, especially those core beliefs

754
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 5: again about self, about others. Can I trust you God?

755
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 5: Are you going to be there for me? Are you

756
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 5: good at heart? What does that really mean? Ultimately, what

757
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 5: are your purposes in my life?

758
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: And so as you go into those.

759
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 5: Places, it's hard to to hold on to them, to

760
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 5: let it wire into your soul to do the work

761
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Speaker 5: of this, Jenny, A lot of people are saying and

762
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 5: they're probably looking at revival and some of them think

763
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 5: it's just maybe a spiritual band aid or something, or

764
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 5: it's a moment and it's going to it's not going

765
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 5: to be sticky, you know what I'm saying. And I

766
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 5: know you're pressing because people who live in this space,

767
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 5: you begin to realize. Dobson years ago said we need

768
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 5: to pray the church would awaken and take a rightful place.

769
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 5: Until then, parachurch organizations have to stand in the gap.

770
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 5: But he said the power is not there, The power

771
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 5: is in their church.

772
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 4: Agree more.

773
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I mean, I'm watching it happen and

774
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: I'm hearing the stories right, and that gives me a

775
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: lot of hope.

776
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 4: I'm regularly here.

777
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: I was just with fifty pastors of the biggest churches

778
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: in the US, and one by I got to speak

779
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 3: to them and talk about everything, and one by one

780
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Speaker 3: they would come up and say, Jenny, we baptize more people.

781
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 4: This year than we baptized in the last ten. And

782
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 4: I mean we're.

783
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 3: Talking like these are the biggest churches in the world,

784
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: so we're talking ten thousand people in the last year

785
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: they baptized. So in Mass, they're watching a response to

786
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: Jesus in their churches. So've I think we're here, guys, Like.

787
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: I really do.

788
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 4: I think it's happening and we're going to.

789
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: See and I love it.

790
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's not God lights. There's something about Philippians

791
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 5: for you go back.

792
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

793
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 5: People have always looked at that passage to control anxiety,

794
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 5: be anxious for nothing.

795
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: But you can't.

796
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 5: You have to set yourself up by seeing Paul in

797
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 5: that moment, he said, let your confidence be made known.

798
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: To everyone good. The Lord is there.

799
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 5: In other words, he believed God was present and powerful

800
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 5: in his life. Therefore he could calm himself no matter

801
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 5: his circumstances. And then his challenge was what it's all

802
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 5: about the peace of God? But he said, hey, those

803
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 5: things are lovely of good. Report whatever virtuous think.

804
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 1: On these things.

805
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the peace of God will fall from the

806
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 5: God of Peace and reign in your heart in life.

807
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 3: I think we had simplified it a little too much,

808
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: and we've tried to just put a Bible verse on

809
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: something and again, the power of the Word of God,

810
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: it never returns void. However, what you're saying, and really

811
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 3: what I believe too, is that understanding the big picture

812
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: of God and what he's doing on earth and that

813
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 3: Heaven is near, and that where our confidence comes from.

814
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: It's like a worldview and you set you live in

815
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: that truth.

816
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 4: You know the truth, you know.

817
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: You will know the truth, and the truth will set

818
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 3: you free. It's like truth is a person.

819
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 4: It's Jesus.

820
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: He said, I am the Way, the truth and the life.

821
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: Truth is a positioning of understanding, like where we're heaven,

822
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 3: that Heaven is near and we don't live for this world,

823
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: you know, is it is an understanding of our identity

824
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 3: in the story of God and the love of God.

825
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 4: And so as.

826
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 3: We understand what's all happening, it's like, oh, why would

827
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 3: I worry so much about that?

828
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 4: Like why would I let that define.

829
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 3: My life when I'm gonna live forever and it's near

830
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: and it's coming. And I think that has really been

831
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: what's changed my mind and my heart most is understanding

832
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 3: I can be disapoint it here on earth. I can fail,

833
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: I can have rejection, I can have health issues.

834
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 4: We've had a lot of.

835
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: Them in the last year or two. And it's you know,

836
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: in the book, I call it five or forty, Like, Okay,

837
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: it might be hard for five years, it might be

838
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: hard for forty and I might be here for five

839
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: more years or I might be here for forty. But

840
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 3: whatever I'm given is short, you know, it's so short

841
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,959
Speaker 3: in light of Jesus in Heaven and where we're going.

842
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: Jenny, as we wrap up, I started with the word desperation.

843
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: You just alluded to the word determination. I loved you

844
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: said out there that you are not just content with

845
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: seeing revival across college campuses or within prisons. You want

846
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 2: it to truly continue because it already has started within

847
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 2: the big C global Church.

848
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: And throwing soft balls.

849
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't give you a better question, that's right,

850
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: And what I just wanted to ask is what is

851
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: just a final prayer for people out there for the

852
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: generation as you continue to remain determined. But at the

853
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: same time you talked and you kind of closed your

854
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: message with how.

855
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: We should speak to the devil.

856
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of somebody out there that's struggling, that's disappointed,

857
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 2: that's believing the lie.

858
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's a final word you want to leave with them?

859
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 4: I'll go here.

860
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 3: At the end of Jesus and the Enemy facing off

861
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: in the wilderness, Jesus have been fasting for forty days

862
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 3: and nights, and the enemy comes to him and tempts

863
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 3: him and lies to him and twists the truth and

864
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: tries to offer him things in this world, temporary things,

865
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: and at the end he says, get away from me, Satan.

866
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 3: And I think we have accepted the lies too long.

867
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: We have received what the enemy has given us, and

868
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 3: we've just agreed with it and accepted it. And so

869
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 3: my prayer is that the church would rise up and say,

870
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 3: get away from me, Satan, and that we would turn

871
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 3: and go this is not true, and it's not true

872
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 3: about myself, and it's not true about God. And then

873
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: you know, we have to know our Bibles to be

874
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 3: able to do that, and we have to know the truth.

875
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 4: And so we do speak the truth to the enemy.

876
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: This is who I am, This is who God says

877
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: that I am, and it's more powerful. And I think

878
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 3: we should pray absolutely, because I just think of the

879
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: person listening right now that is like, I am.

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Speaker 4: So beat up, I'm so exhausted.

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Speaker 3: I don't even I don't even think I have words

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Speaker 3: to the Lord or to the enemy. So we want

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Speaker 3: to pray these over you right now.

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Speaker 4: So God, God help God.

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Speaker 3: I pray for the person that's in her car that

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Speaker 3: feels like she cannot imagine freedom, he can't imagine life

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Speaker 3: without these toxic thoughts, without thinking of ending her life. God,

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Speaker 3: you want a different way, And so we pray in

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Speaker 3: the name of Jesus for freedom. We pray over this

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Speaker 3: person's life right now, the power of the love of

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Speaker 3: God over their life. Would you be present near, and

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Speaker 3: I pray that you would judge the enemy and the

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Speaker 3: way that he has come against this person. God protect

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Speaker 3: them and heal them. And God, reveal your love to

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Speaker 3: them in such a way that they can't miss it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you that you do love us in such a

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Speaker 3: way that it's hard to miss that you have sent

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Speaker 3: your son Jesus to die for our sins. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: thank you, thank you, thank you. And we need we

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Speaker 3: need your help. We need we need to change our minds.

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Speaker 3: And it feels hard. And so God, would you, would

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Speaker 3: you be the power and the way and the truth

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Speaker 3: and the life, and the love and the peace and

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Speaker 3: the patience and the kindness, all the things we can't

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Speaker 3: muster up ourselves. Would you do that in and through us?

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Speaker 3: We know that you can in Jesus name.

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Speaker 5: In relation twelve A, it was a great battle in heaven.

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Speaker 5: They overcame him by the blood of the lamb, power

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Speaker 5: of his testimony. Right, No one sports, Jenny. Guys look

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Speaker 5: at each other. They do this thing. I see you,

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Speaker 5: I see you. And when somebody says I see.

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Speaker 1: You and I love you, you know that he'll run

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Speaker 1: through a brick wall. That's right, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: And I think when you understand Heaven says see.

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Speaker 1: You, go see you.

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Speaker 5: Now that we just want to say to you, we

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Speaker 5: see you. That's right, Jenny, And the great work Gud's

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Speaker 5: doing it and through you, we're going to pray.

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Speaker 1: God will continue to quote.

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Speaker 5: Strengthen you, encourage you, put a hedge about you, you

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Speaker 5: know that, and energize you at a whole other level

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Speaker 5: into that.

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Speaker 1: And we can't wait to see what God's going to do.

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Speaker 4: Jenny.

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Speaker 2: I want to close this a way working our audience

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Speaker 2: go to find out more about you, to pick up

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Speaker 2: the lie you don't.

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Speaker 1: Know you believe worth then they go Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Everything's there, Jenny again. Thank you, We love you, we

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Speaker 2: appreciate you. We love doing life with you, your husband Zach.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys for all that you do, for all

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Speaker 2: you stand for. Thank you for being ambassadors for Christ.

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Speaker 4: Thank you thanks for having me and the family.

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Speaker 2: I love it, TI Tall audience, it bils different. I

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Speaker 2: just want to say thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: We love being a part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 2: Let's continue to stand on the truth to see ourselves

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Speaker 2: rightly before God, but also to see Him rightly within ourselves.

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Speaker 2: We love you, We love being a part of your life.