WEBVTT - Why a Biblical Perspective on the Middle East Changes Everything 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:03.640 Life Audio. 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:08.479 Well, welcome to the Out of Zion podcast, and I'm 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:12.080 your host, doctor Susan Michael, and I'm just so thrilled 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.520 to have with me today a dear friend and college 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.919 Joel Rosenberg. You know, Joel, I have to list all 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:22.160 of your titles and accomplishments. 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:24.759 You are amazing. No failed political consultant. I think you 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:26.720 just lead with that one. It pretty much solves everything. 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.720 Everyone I ever worked for in Washington didn't go anywhere, 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:30.720 or at least not with me. 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.040 All right, failed there, But you are a New York 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.800 Times best selling author and you blow me away. How 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.080 you're able to do these books and do all of 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.640 this writing, It's phenomenon and that's really opened a lot 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:47.280 of doors for you with us. Secondly, you are president 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.920 of the Joshua Fund, which is doing amazing things. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:52.680 And then thirdly you are. 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:57.360 The CEO editor in chief of All Israel News and 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:00.680 All Arab News. I don't know how how you do it. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.600 I had great teams. You must take a lot of itemins. Well, right, 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:06.120 that's not yeah, I need more. 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:09.360 Let's take a break and hear a message from one 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:17.400 of our sponsors. Welcome to the Israel Answer Series. Connecting 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:21.760 Israel the Bible, and you join Susan Michael as she 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:25.800 explores timely issues and current events from a scriptural perspective 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:29.080 to equip the Christian world with a balance and biblical response. 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.800 Be sure to subscribe for future episodes which will ignite 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.040 your faith and bring the Bible to life in your 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:39.560 everyday world. Now, let's join Susan with your Israel answers. 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.839 But no, when you have a vision of what God 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.240 tells us to do, you have to build out teams. 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.240 I can't find these things by myself. I don't want to. 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:55.320 I have things that I'm good at and things like that. 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.800 There's people it's fun to it's fun for me to 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.120 prayerfully recruit and then deploy people who are just passionate 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:03.720 about it. It's the same thing. I mean, you're you've 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:09.040 got so much going on the embassy and aci if 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.840 you didn't have a good team, then it all rests 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:15.520 on you, right and your energy, your bandwidth, your your vision, 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:17.840 and you know I don't do that. You don't do that, 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:21.160 and so yeah, well, you know we've interviewed you before 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.760 and you talk. That's why I'm surprised that you have 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.680 me back like you missed of have amnesia with how 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.200 badly that interview went. I don't know what, but no, 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:29.800 in that. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.440 Interview, you talked about your family, you're growing up, in 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:33.119 your background. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:33.760 It was great. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.120 So I want to encourage our listeners to find that 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.200 previous interview and. 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.360 We could clip. We'll link to it in today's show notes. 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:44.560 But today I want to talk you know, i'd like 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:48.800 to talk about all Israel News. If you are providing 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:52.200 such a service to the Body of Christ worldwide by 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.840 covering the news of what's going on in Israel in 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.280 the Middle East, and you know, we have such a 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:02.320 crisis in the world today. We can't trust media. We 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.840 can't trust even videos. You can't trust what you read, 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:09.079 what you see because you don't know what's AI generated 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:12.480 or what's been doctored, or what's just a blatant lie 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:16.480 that's been circulating online. And so we're all looking for 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.639 those trusted sources, and especially our young people, they are 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:24.200 looking for those that they can trust. And you were that. 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:25.080 You were there. 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.240 Headquartered in Jerusalem, and so tell us how you started 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:33.560 this and what you've seen the service at its. 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:37.960 Provis Sure, well, a wonderful Israeli Jewish believing brother came 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.240 to me with an idea that I didn't have. This 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.200 is not my idea, and he said, I think we 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:47.920 should create a daily digital news site run by Israeli 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:54.000 Flowers or Jesus for evangelicals worldwide in English, at least 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:59.000 at the beginning, to cover what isn't getting covered or 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.400 covered well, you know. And at first I was like, 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.120 you know what, that's a great idea. Somebody should do that. 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.160 But I don't have the bandwidth to do this, Like 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:15.080 I just don't have the time or energy. But you know, 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.080 God bless you. You know, stay warm and be well fed. 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:19.919 You know, No, I mean, you should, you should do this. 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:22.960 But I couldn't sleep. I kept praying about it, and 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:27.279 I thought, I think, I think maybe he's right. So 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:33.080 why because I could either have an aneurysm every day 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:38.680 at my fury at CNN, the New York Times, BBC, 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.960 certainly Al Jazeera, but so many others. You're like, oh 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.880 my gosh, the Washington Post, which just God bless him, 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.680 just had to lay off a third of their entire 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.680 news department and all of their Middle East journalists because 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:55.760 they're the horrible But they're also losing one hundred million 0:04:55.800 --> 0:05:00.680 dollars a year and you're like, that's crazy. So the 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.000 idea was you could either have an aneurysm, get angry 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:06.559 all the time, or think, you know what, Yes, big 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:10.640 media is Goliath, but we know how that story works. 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:14.920 You don't have to be Goliath to win. You can 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.320 be David with five stones and you only use one. 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:21.160 So okay, maybe we could Maybe we should channel our 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:25.599 energies into doing something different. Now I call this. I 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.719 tell the staff well built over the last five years 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.880 or so, I want you to follow the George Costanza 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:36.000 doctrine of journalism. Now, those of your audience that are 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.880 Seinfeld fans George, or maybe they don't know George Seinfeld 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.839 or George Cassandra is the idiot moron friend of Jerry 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:48.760 Seinfeld in the famous show and George one day slumps 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.520 down in the in the booth at the coffee shop 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:55.080 where they mean he goes, every decision I've ever made 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.800 in my entire life has been wrong, and that's why 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:03.320 he's alot. And so Jerry says, well, George, if every 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:07.039 decision you've ever made is wrong, then the opposite would 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:10.479 have to be right. Now, that's voodoo. Fortune Cookie is like, 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.279 it's kind of you can't really, but in the show, 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:17.159 that particular show, he makes every decision opposite of his instincts. 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:19.520 He gets the girl and he gets a job of 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:21.840 the New York Yankees, and everything works out well. If 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:25.320 I see, folks, I don't want you, as young and 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.680 emerging journalists, to focus on traffic. I beg you do 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.080 not think about your impact. I want you to think 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.680 about credibility. Credibility, credibility. Those are the free things you 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.920 would think about every day. And everything that you hate 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.880 about the meat, do the opposites give you an example? 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:47.560 Wonder So we started in September September one, twenty twenty, 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:52.680 all visual news. So this is COVID, this is like, 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:56.040 this is church is being shut down, This is George Floyd, 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.640 this is raised Riots, this is Trump and Biden Lake 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.640 or Hillary whatever was then. No Christian was focusing on 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:05.320 histort and the good news was the Abraham of course, 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.800 just that was the first story we covered. Mike Pence 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.720 was a friend of mine. Is Remains He invited me 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:12.320 to cover it on them all on the way house 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:16.400 ding and choosing okay, wonderful, No Christians. As you remember, 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.320 I love Israel, were focused on any of these things, 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.000 good pieces breaking out because America is on the edge 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.600 of going, you know, blowing up. So that's when we started. 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.160 I had time to raise money, bad time, focus on israp. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:29.640 But we did it because God told us to do it. 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.640 Long story short. Give you an example. During the after 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.240 October seventh, right, So the New York Times published the 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:41.720 story eight. The headline was eight, all eight columns, top 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:47.720 of the folds, lasting Israel bombs, passing hospital and cost 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.240 And it's the New York Times, right, so they have 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:54.800 all this brand, equity, trust, and every immediate outlet on 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:59.920 the planet goes with the store. I said, well, guys, hold, hold, 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.480 you're not this this is the lead of every isaac. 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.640 There's something wrong about the story. Now, mae, if Israel 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.760 did it, we will report it. We are not. This 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.640 is not Hasbarah, this is not Hebrew four. We're not 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.280 doing public relations. It's not propagand this is not propa game. 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.080 But this is this is journalism. But we don't start 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.920 from Israel's evil and let's burn it now. Right We're 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.720 not you know, right, we're not. So so let's just 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:28.320 you know at that point nine am in Israel. You 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.120 know that's early. It's late at night, in the early 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.240 the middle of the morning here. So okay, that's what 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.280 the New York Times is doing. But let's just give 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.440 the idea of a little time, let's talk to them, 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.040 let's see what do they what do you have? Did 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.280 you do it? And within an hour or two, right, 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.040 it was already video of it's a failed house in 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.760 and missile that went up, failed, laid it on the hospital, 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.160 you can see it. Then they start sending us uh 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:56.360 intercepts of ballast in hamas terras going did we do that? 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.160 Did Israel do that? Oh? No, that was us? Oh 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.240 my gosh, how well we got to tell them it 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:04.559 was them, and and pretty soon you did all this death. 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:06.760 So this is what we win. By the time, so 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.440 four o' cock in the afternoon in Israel is nine 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.120 am in the East coast United States. By the time 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.280 we had the story, most people were waking up to 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.240 the truth. But they weren't getting it from the mainstream media. 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.600 They were getting it from all initial neighbors. There's just 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:26.000 one example of just doing it of don't run. New 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.280 York Times has a brand of trust. I don't trust 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.640 them anymore. I'm not We're not leading. If they do 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:36.439 something interesting, we'll we'll look into it. I'm not. These 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.920 guys are taking death tolls and saying palace it in 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.200 health officials in Kaza. This is this like getting in health, 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.040 This is like getting death poll numbers from the Nazis. 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:49.760 In the middle of World War two more Jews died today. 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.880 We don't know why you're the ones killing them? What 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:57.280 are you talking about? So so many Christians are so angry, 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.560 and so we saw our traffic go from BA zero 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:05.760 day one almost to thirty five million last year at 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:09.200 the peak of the war, sixty nine million. Now we 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:13.320 are not where we should be, but wow, we're moving 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:15.880 in the radiations. People are finding us right well. 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.559 I hope that all of our listening audience will find 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.080 you now if they hadn't already. But you know, you're 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:26.160 so privileged to be there where you're getting those original 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:31.120 sources of information and analysis. You know what Israel this 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:35.880 are saying, how they're seeing things. Where do you think 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:38.800 Israel's going from here? 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:40.840 Do you what kind of future you know? 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.800 I just I had a Jewish person this week asked 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.480 me you know you've been at this a long time. 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.120 She said, where do you see it going? Are you 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.079 at all optimistic? I mean they're looking for a ray 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:56.680 of hope, So where do you see that Israel's go. 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.280 Man, that's a great question, and let me break it 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:04.000 into a couple pieces. I'll say everybody that works on 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:08.479 our team are either even Jelic Forroprissians or Messianic believers. 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.320 Most are Israelis. We have some Arabs that work on us, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:16.440 either directly or or a stringers and things. So we 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.040 are trying to also cover the church, you know, within 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:23.920 the So the reason is important is ultimately spiritually, we 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.120 know we're heading towards Romans eleven twenty six. All Israel 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:31.080 could say we're nowhere near that. There's maybe twenty to 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.880 thirty thousand Jewish fall because Jesus and all of Israel 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.880 depending there's two different studies, so like that's not got many. 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.520 Well it's better than twenty three in nineteen forty eight. 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.280 So we're moving. But in a nation of ten million people, 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:47.480 seven million Jews seven and a half, that's not nearly enough. 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:51.520 But we are. So we are covering what God is 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.680 doing in the country as well. As the region, not 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.520 just geopolitically. And I would say there's there's hard bias, 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.280 like you know, the ed or hates you, the producer 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.720 hates you, and they are not trying to tell the truth. 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.640 There's war, there's Al Jazeera, Iran Intelevision, Turkish elves. But 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:09.640 there's also a soft bias in the media where they 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.360 don't know what they're looking for. They don't know how 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.080 to cover the church. And if it's the church to them, 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.000 that's the Roman Catholic Church, which most even joggles like 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.000 that's interesting, but that's not what that's not what we 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.840 want to know. What's God doing in this land? So 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.680 covering that side is a big part because that's where 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.080 we're heading. We're heading towards a nation that's been traumatized 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:33.120 over two and a half years of hellish war. But 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.880 are sure as people are open to the Bible to 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.400 more people in the idea app are reading the Bible, 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.400 not the New Testament admittedly, but they're reading the Bible. 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.680 They're singing songs of the Psalms before they go into 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.800 Gaza or wherever. So that's a spiritual element of where 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.600 we're going. It's also not getting covered by almost anybody 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.120 in the media in Israel, even the good media. That's 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.960 one thing. The other thing is when there are challenges 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:01.000 inside the church, right, so God is building Jesus, i'm 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:02.440 I will build my church and the gates of Hell 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:06.160 will not prevail against it. Nobody's covering it. It's still 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.440 he's still doing it. But I'll give you one example. 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.320 We broke the story a couple of years ago that 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:17.840 too alto Orthodox Uh legislators decided to put in a 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:21.079 bill that said you can't tell people about Jesus or 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:25.199 you'll go to prison. In Israel. We broke that story. 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.280 I've never seen a story go viral that fast. It 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:32.240 just went global and we weren't being hostile. We were 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.559 just reporting this. We hadn't even gotten into analysis. This 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:38.760 just broke the story. Within seventy two hours, net Nyahu 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.040 had put out a statement, I will never let that pass, 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.880 and there was over that's not us, that's God, but 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.679 he's but he uses people. So that's one thing of cover. 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:49.560 There was a pass in pastor who got thrown into 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:54.839 prison because he he welcomed in Israeli and some evangelibals 0:13:54.880 --> 0:14:00.400 just to visit him, and that got in the pals 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.080 in authority there, and then we were told by some 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.800 palising Christians, don't don't not report that fleet. We're gonna 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.280 it's too you know, if you're a you're in Israeli, 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.800 it's not helpful if you report it. So okay that 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.319 that's a tension between journalism and but being a believer. 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.520 But we're believers first, so we didn't pepper. But after 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.600 forty days, this guy was not getting out everything. They 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:25.320 tried behind the scenes wordwork. So finally they set several 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.360 pass in Christians leadership on your all Arab news site, 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:32.240 would you would you cover what's happening? So we did, 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.600 and what we did as an open letter to pass 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:39.040 in authority Chairman Mahmuda Bash and we said, I don't 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:40.880 even know if you know this, mister president, but uh, 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:45.280 this is what's happening. It's not right. It turned out 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.440 that it passed in businessman various successful paths in This 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:52.120 man was following me on X saw that article, clicked 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.040 on the article read the whole thing, was moved by it, 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.520 unbeknownst to us, printed it out and went to the 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.680 palace in Romaga and said, President of Bass, this is 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.680 not good and if Joel and his team are reporting 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.320 it today, others are gonna be reporting tomorrow. We have 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:09.920 enough problems. We don't need this one too. You shouldn't 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.480 let this guy out. He didn't do anything wrong, and 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:16.520 within forty eight hours he was released. This is God, 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:23.480 but God uses faded people. So that's the There's geopolitical 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.080 side too, we can talk about too, But just in 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.800 terms of covering is what's happening? How do we pray 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.720 for our brothers and sisters in all of the region. 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:36.280 What is really happening. I still can't tell you many 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:41.280 sources that I would news sources I would that exists 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.520 that would report this type of information. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:47.960 Let's take a break and here a message from one 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:55.160 of our sponsors. Welcome back to the Out of Zion 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.080 podcast with Susan Michael. 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.280 Well, you and I were just chatting earlier about out 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:04.360 that after let's talk about the jail. Political, after Israel 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.280 has gone through this two and a half years of 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:12.080 really tough tire, You're optimistic about the future. 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.360 Which is ironic because I'm a Russian Jew on my 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.200 father's side, so that means I'm a pessimist. Bad things 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.880 happen to the Russian Jews. We're all like bad glass 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.680 is not just half empty, it is cracked and leaking. 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.680 That's how we see the world naturally now in the spirit, 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:30.480 with a good gentile spirit, filled with wife. It helped me, okay, 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.840 But yes, I actually am quite bullish on where we are. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.040 It's been a horrible two and a half years and 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:37.920 Len and I and our teams have lived through it. 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.720 We've covered it, We've gone We've seen missiles launching while 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.320 we're either delivering delivering humanagement relief for the Joshua Fund 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.320 or going to and going to cover something for all 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.320 Israel News. So it has been just the craziest world. 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.120 This is the world that I write about in my 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.080 political thrillers. I make it up. But the last three 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:59.040 years of not you know, beyond fiction. But I'm actually 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.840 I am optimistic. I am bullish about where Israel's go. 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.280 I Israel has, by the grace of God and the 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:09.159 hard work and courage of our soldiers and intelligence services, 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:14.200 has decimated the Iranian regime's capacity to destroy US, has 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:18.159 Bona's capacity to destroy us Hamas. I mean, there's not 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.160 it's not that there's a little bit more to be done. 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.879 On all fronts. But we are not living in the 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.600 same world that we were two and a half years ago. 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.240 And I believe that in six months to a year, 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.640 everybody in the world is going to see Israel as 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:36.080 the soup of power, bar none of any country in 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:40.480 the Middle East security. I think the prosperity. I think 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.440 money is going to flow into Israel, venture capital and 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.560 and other I think that it's going to be and 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.199 I think tourists, Christian tourists are going to flow. I 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.960 think that ministries are going to come and say, Wow, 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.440 what's happening, how do we be how do we help? 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.120 I think I think the world is going to come 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:02.439 into Israel. And yes there are I believe maybe outside 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.280 of the scope of this podcast, but there are other 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.720 horrible prophetic things that are coming. But I think we're 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:09.719 gonna be going into a stretch. I think of years, 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:13.600 possibly of decades, where people are not thinking of the 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:17.640 Middle East as they're insane Susan, why would you take 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.360 people there Israel? I'm not going to there. There's missiles 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.600 flying and terrorists and suicide bombers. That is not the 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:27.240 world we're about to head into. And so rethinking every 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.639 ministry we will still have anti Semitism to deal with 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:34.200 and anti Israelism. As Israel is more successful, that the 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.280 anti Israelism is gonna get worse in certain quarters because 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:40.600 people like Tucker Carlston and kanas Owanns are gonna be 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:42.760 their heads are gonna be swiveling on their access and 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.640 their eyes are gonna explode. They're like, the very country 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:51.240 we hate is winning, its succeeding. Patricians who know what 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:55.080 where God is taking Israel will be well, we're part 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.639 of the reason it's going well as hard as it 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.240 has been, because we're praying and we're helping and out 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:04.000 of latsing Israel, and He's blessing us as we busses 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:05.200 as he promised. 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:10.400 Well, you know, after October the seventh, there was a 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:14.480 Christian minister in America, a big name, and he made 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:19.160 the comment that the reason Hamas attacked Israel was allowed 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.320 to attack Israel by God is because the Jews had 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:29.280 rejected Jesus. And it's so painful, yeah, yeah, yeah, so painful. 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.919 But what a lot of us lose because we're you know, 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.400 you're in the news cycle and you just see one 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:40.840 bad thing after the other. You don't we need your 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.439 help to do that analysis, to help me connect the dots, 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:48.639 to put it into perspective. And only recently did I 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.760 come to the realization that it was actually the Hamas 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:58.520 attack on October seventh that saved Israel from destruction, because 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:03.119 they were supposed to have done unaffordinated attack with Hezbillah 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:07.000 and Iran, so their ground incursion was to be met 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.880 with missiles from Lebanon and from Iran. 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.680 And a native ground invasion from the north and from 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:17.400 the north, yes, grounded, which had been planned actually years publicly, 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:18.560 and it would. 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:23.440 Have destroyed Israel in a day. But because Hamas goes 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:26.880 out on their own and attacks, the other two kind 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.840 of got mad and didn't really come to their rescue, 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:34.480 and the fordinated plan didn't happen, and this saved Israel 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:40.280 from destruction, and instead they have had victory over every 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:44.119 one of those enemies on seven fronts. Now the enemy 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:48.360 still exists, that's the danger. They will try to re arm. 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:50.480 They will try to do it again one day, but 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:55.040 Israel has so pushed that scenario for far away, as 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:59.919 you said, and now with a political realignment in the 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.359 Middle East, when they see israel strength they're drawn to 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:07.280 that strength. And this is another misunderstanding in America. We 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:09.680 sit here, we live in peace in America. We don't 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:12.679 have an enemy on our border. We certainly don't have 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:14.399 an enemy within forty miles. 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:17.120 Well, thank god President Trump sealed that border. We had. 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:19.720 They were kinds of millions of people that we only 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:22.720 know who they are. But yeah, but yes, in terms 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.840 of either China on our border or having Russia on 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.960 our border in North Korea. Yeah, and even if we. 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:32.000 Did, they're not forty miles from our home, right. So, 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:38.320 and we don't understand that. In the Middle East, there's 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.240 a whole different language that is spoken, and it's the 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:45.480 language you must be strong. You must be strong or 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.040 else if they'll c was weak and then they'll pounce 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:51.879 on you. It's a mentality we just don't understand in America. 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:56.399 But Israel does. And so when they are attacked, they 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:59.520 come against it and they try to defeat their enemy. 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.879 And today's Christianity, there's a lot of pacifism. There's a 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:07.440 lot of well, we need to be weak, humble, right, 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:12.520 and loving, and yes we should in our everyday lives. 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:16.040 But the New Testament also says that our government has 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:21.720 the responsibility of taking up the sword against evil, and 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:24.919 Israel is doing that. They're taking up the sword against 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:28.360 the evil against their people. And I do believe what 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:31.840 you just said that we're headed into a season where 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.520 Israel's going to be strong, and that's going to realign 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:39.919 politically in the Middle East, and there's the potential for 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:43.359 a season of peace and prosperity in the Middle East. 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:47.520 So we just so appreciate all israel moves. 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:51.600