1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 2: Well, welcome to the Out of Zion podcast, and I'm 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: your host, doctor Susan Michael, and I'm just so thrilled 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: to have with me today a dear friend and college 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 2: Joel Rosenberg. You know, Joel, I have to list all 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: of your titles and accomplishments. 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: You are amazing. No failed political consultant. I think you 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: just lead with that one. It pretty much solves everything. 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: Everyone I ever worked for in Washington didn't go anywhere, 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: or at least not with me. 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: All right, failed there, But you are a New York 12 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: Times best selling author and you blow me away. How 13 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: you're able to do these books and do all of 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: this writing, It's phenomenon and that's really opened a lot 15 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: of doors for you with us. Secondly, you are president 16 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: of the Joshua Fund, which is doing amazing things. 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: And then thirdly you are. 18 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: The CEO editor in chief of All Israel News and 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: All Arab News. I don't know how how you do it. 20 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: I had great teams. You must take a lot of itemins. Well, right, 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: that's not yeah, I need more. 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 3: Let's take a break and hear a message from one 23 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 3: of our sponsors. Welcome to the Israel Answer Series. Connecting 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 3: Israel the Bible, and you join Susan Michael as she 25 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: explores timely issues and current events from a scriptural perspective 26 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 3: to equip the Christian world with a balance and biblical response. 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 3: Be sure to subscribe for future episodes which will ignite 28 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 3: your faith and bring the Bible to life in your 29 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 3: everyday world. Now, let's join Susan with your Israel answers. 30 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 1: But no, when you have a vision of what God 31 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: tells us to do, you have to build out teams. 32 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: I can't find these things by myself. I don't want to. 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: I have things that I'm good at and things like that. 34 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: There's people it's fun to it's fun for me to 35 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: prayerfully recruit and then deploy people who are just passionate 36 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: about it. It's the same thing. I mean, you're you've 37 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: got so much going on the embassy and aci if 38 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: you didn't have a good team, then it all rests 39 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: on you, right and your energy, your bandwidth, your your vision, 40 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: and you know I don't do that. You don't do that, 41 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: and so yeah, well, you know we've interviewed you before 42 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: and you talk. That's why I'm surprised that you have 43 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: me back like you missed of have amnesia with how 44 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: badly that interview went. I don't know what, but no, 45 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: in that. 46 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: Interview, you talked about your family, you're growing up, in 47 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:33,119 Speaker 2: your background. 48 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: It was great. 49 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: So I want to encourage our listeners to find that 50 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: previous interview and. 51 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: We could clip. We'll link to it in today's show notes. 52 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: But today I want to talk you know, i'd like 53 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: to talk about all Israel News. If you are providing 54 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: such a service to the Body of Christ worldwide by 55 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: covering the news of what's going on in Israel in 56 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: the Middle East, and you know, we have such a 57 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: crisis in the world today. We can't trust media. We 58 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: can't trust even videos. You can't trust what you read, 59 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: what you see because you don't know what's AI generated 60 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: or what's been doctored, or what's just a blatant lie 61 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: that's been circulating online. And so we're all looking for 62 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: those trusted sources, and especially our young people, they are 63 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: looking for those that they can trust. And you were that. 64 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: You were there. 65 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: Headquartered in Jerusalem, and so tell us how you started 66 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: this and what you've seen the service at its. 67 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: Provis Sure, well, a wonderful Israeli Jewish believing brother came 68 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: to me with an idea that I didn't have. This 69 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: is not my idea, and he said, I think we 70 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: should create a daily digital news site run by Israeli 71 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: Flowers or Jesus for evangelicals worldwide in English, at least 72 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: at the beginning, to cover what isn't getting covered or 73 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: covered well, you know. And at first I was like, 74 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: you know what, that's a great idea. Somebody should do that. 75 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: But I don't have the bandwidth to do this, Like 76 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: I just don't have the time or energy. But you know, 77 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: God bless you. You know, stay warm and be well fed. 78 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: You know, No, I mean, you should, you should do this. 79 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: But I couldn't sleep. I kept praying about it, and 80 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: I thought, I think, I think maybe he's right. So 81 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: why because I could either have an aneurysm every day 82 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: at my fury at CNN, the New York Times, BBC, 83 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: certainly Al Jazeera, but so many others. You're like, oh 84 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: my gosh, the Washington Post, which just God bless him, 85 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: just had to lay off a third of their entire 86 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: news department and all of their Middle East journalists because 87 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: they're the horrible But they're also losing one hundred million 88 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: dollars a year and you're like, that's crazy. So the 89 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: idea was you could either have an aneurysm, get angry 90 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 1: all the time, or think, you know what, Yes, big 91 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: media is Goliath, but we know how that story works. 92 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: You don't have to be Goliath to win. You can 93 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: be David with five stones and you only use one. 94 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: So okay, maybe we could Maybe we should channel our 95 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: energies into doing something different. Now I call this. I 96 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: tell the staff well built over the last five years 97 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: or so, I want you to follow the George Costanza 98 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: doctrine of journalism. Now, those of your audience that are 99 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: Seinfeld fans George, or maybe they don't know George Seinfeld 100 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: or George Cassandra is the idiot moron friend of Jerry 101 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: Seinfeld in the famous show and George one day slumps 102 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: down in the in the booth at the coffee shop 103 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: where they mean he goes, every decision I've ever made 104 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: in my entire life has been wrong, and that's why 105 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: he's alot. And so Jerry says, well, George, if every 106 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: decision you've ever made is wrong, then the opposite would 107 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: have to be right. Now, that's voodoo. Fortune Cookie is like, 108 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: it's kind of you can't really, but in the show, 109 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: that particular show, he makes every decision opposite of his instincts. 110 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: He gets the girl and he gets a job of 111 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: the New York Yankees, and everything works out well. If 112 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: I see, folks, I don't want you, as young and 113 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: emerging journalists, to focus on traffic. I beg you do 114 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: not think about your impact. I want you to think 115 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: about credibility. Credibility, credibility. Those are the free things you 116 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: would think about every day. And everything that you hate 117 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: about the meat, do the opposites give you an example? 118 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: Wonder So we started in September September one, twenty twenty, 119 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: all visual news. So this is COVID, this is like, 120 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: this is church is being shut down, This is George Floyd, 121 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: this is raised Riots, this is Trump and Biden Lake 122 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: or Hillary whatever was then. No Christian was focusing on 123 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: histort and the good news was the Abraham of course, 124 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: just that was the first story we covered. Mike Pence 125 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: was a friend of mine. Is Remains He invited me 126 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: to cover it on them all on the way house 127 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: ding and choosing okay, wonderful, No Christians. As you remember, 128 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: I love Israel, were focused on any of these things, 129 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: good pieces breaking out because America is on the edge 130 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: of going, you know, blowing up. So that's when we started. 131 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: I had time to raise money, bad time, focus on israp. 132 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: But we did it because God told us to do it. 133 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: Long story short. Give you an example. During the after 134 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: October seventh, right, So the New York Times published the 135 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: story eight. The headline was eight, all eight columns, top 136 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: of the folds, lasting Israel bombs, passing hospital and cost 137 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: And it's the New York Times, right, so they have 138 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: all this brand, equity, trust, and every immediate outlet on 139 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: the planet goes with the store. I said, well, guys, hold, hold, 140 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: you're not this this is the lead of every isaac. 141 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: There's something wrong about the story. Now, mae, if Israel 142 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: did it, we will report it. We are not. This 143 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: is not Hasbarah, this is not Hebrew four. We're not 144 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: doing public relations. It's not propagand this is not propa game. 145 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: But this is this is journalism. But we don't start 146 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: from Israel's evil and let's burn it now. Right We're 147 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: not you know, right, we're not. So so let's just 148 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: you know at that point nine am in Israel. You 149 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: know that's early. It's late at night, in the early 150 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: the middle of the morning here. So okay, that's what 151 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: the New York Times is doing. But let's just give 152 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: the idea of a little time, let's talk to them, 153 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: let's see what do they what do you have? Did 154 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: you do it? And within an hour or two, right, 155 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: it was already video of it's a failed house in 156 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: and missile that went up, failed, laid it on the hospital, 157 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: you can see it. Then they start sending us uh 158 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: intercepts of ballast in hamas terras going did we do that? 159 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: Did Israel do that? Oh? No, that was us? Oh 160 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: my gosh, how well we got to tell them it 161 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: was them, and and pretty soon you did all this death. 162 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: So this is what we win. By the time, so 163 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: four o' cock in the afternoon in Israel is nine 164 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: am in the East coast United States. By the time 165 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: we had the story, most people were waking up to 166 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: the truth. But they weren't getting it from the mainstream media. 167 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: They were getting it from all initial neighbors. There's just 168 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: one example of just doing it of don't run. New 169 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: York Times has a brand of trust. I don't trust 170 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: them anymore. I'm not We're not leading. If they do 171 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: something interesting, we'll we'll look into it. I'm not. These 172 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: guys are taking death tolls and saying palace it in 173 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: health officials in Kaza. This is this like getting in health, 174 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: This is like getting death poll numbers from the Nazis. 175 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: In the middle of World War two more Jews died today. 176 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: We don't know why you're the ones killing them? What 177 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: are you talking about? So so many Christians are so angry, 178 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: and so we saw our traffic go from BA zero 179 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: day one almost to thirty five million last year at 180 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: the peak of the war, sixty nine million. Now we 181 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: are not where we should be, but wow, we're moving 182 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: in the radiations. People are finding us right well. 183 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 2: I hope that all of our listening audience will find 184 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 2: you now if they hadn't already. But you know, you're 185 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: so privileged to be there where you're getting those original 186 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: sources of information and analysis. You know what Israel this 187 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: are saying, how they're seeing things. Where do you think 188 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: Israel's going from here? 189 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: Do you what kind of future you know? 190 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: I just I had a Jewish person this week asked 191 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: me you know you've been at this a long time. 192 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: She said, where do you see it going? Are you 193 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 2: at all optimistic? I mean they're looking for a ray 194 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 2: of hope, So where do you see that Israel's go. 195 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: Man, that's a great question, and let me break it 196 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: into a couple pieces. I'll say everybody that works on 197 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,479 Speaker 1: our team are either even Jelic Forroprissians or Messianic believers. 198 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: Most are Israelis. We have some Arabs that work on us, 199 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: either directly or or a stringers and things. So we 200 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: are trying to also cover the church, you know, within 201 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: the So the reason is important is ultimately spiritually, we 202 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: know we're heading towards Romans eleven twenty six. All Israel 203 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: could say we're nowhere near that. There's maybe twenty to 204 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: thirty thousand Jewish fall because Jesus and all of Israel 205 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: depending there's two different studies, so like that's not got many. 206 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: Well it's better than twenty three in nineteen forty eight. 207 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: So we're moving. But in a nation of ten million people, 208 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: seven million Jews seven and a half, that's not nearly enough. 209 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: But we are. So we are covering what God is 210 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: doing in the country as well. As the region, not 211 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: just geopolitically. And I would say there's there's hard bias, 212 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: like you know, the ed or hates you, the producer 213 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: hates you, and they are not trying to tell the truth. 214 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: There's war, there's Al Jazeera, Iran Intelevision, Turkish elves. But 215 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: there's also a soft bias in the media where they 216 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: don't know what they're looking for. They don't know how 217 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: to cover the church. And if it's the church to them, 218 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: that's the Roman Catholic Church, which most even joggles like 219 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: that's interesting, but that's not what that's not what we 220 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: want to know. What's God doing in this land? So 221 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: covering that side is a big part because that's where 222 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: we're heading. We're heading towards a nation that's been traumatized 223 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: over two and a half years of hellish war. But 224 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: are sure as people are open to the Bible to 225 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: more people in the idea app are reading the Bible, 226 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: not the New Testament admittedly, but they're reading the Bible. 227 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: They're singing songs of the Psalms before they go into 228 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: Gaza or wherever. So that's a spiritual element of where 229 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: we're going. It's also not getting covered by almost anybody 230 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: in the media in Israel, even the good media. That's 231 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: one thing. The other thing is when there are challenges 232 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: inside the church, right, so God is building Jesus, i'm 233 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: I will build my church and the gates of Hell 234 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: will not prevail against it. Nobody's covering it. It's still 235 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: he's still doing it. But I'll give you one example. 236 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: We broke the story a couple of years ago that 237 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: too alto Orthodox Uh legislators decided to put in a 238 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: bill that said you can't tell people about Jesus or 239 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: you'll go to prison. In Israel. We broke that story. 240 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: I've never seen a story go viral that fast. It 241 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: just went global and we weren't being hostile. We were 242 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: just reporting this. We hadn't even gotten into analysis. This 243 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: just broke the story. Within seventy two hours, net Nyahu 244 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: had put out a statement, I will never let that pass, 245 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: and there was over that's not us, that's God, but 246 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: he's but he uses people. So that's one thing of cover. 247 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: There was a pass in pastor who got thrown into 248 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 1: prison because he he welcomed in Israeli and some evangelibals 249 00:13:54,880 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: just to visit him, and that got in the pals 250 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: in authority there, and then we were told by some 251 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: palising Christians, don't don't not report that fleet. We're gonna 252 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: it's too you know, if you're a you're in Israeli, 253 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: it's not helpful if you report it. So okay that 254 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: that's a tension between journalism and but being a believer. 255 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: But we're believers first, so we didn't pepper. But after 256 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: forty days, this guy was not getting out everything. They 257 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: tried behind the scenes wordwork. So finally they set several 258 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: pass in Christians leadership on your all Arab news site, 259 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: would you would you cover what's happening? So we did, 260 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: and what we did as an open letter to pass 261 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: in authority Chairman Mahmuda Bash and we said, I don't 262 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: even know if you know this, mister president, but uh, 263 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: this is what's happening. It's not right. It turned out 264 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: that it passed in businessman various successful paths in This 265 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: man was following me on X saw that article, clicked 266 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: on the article read the whole thing, was moved by it, 267 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: unbeknownst to us, printed it out and went to the 268 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: palace in Romaga and said, President of Bass, this is 269 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: not good and if Joel and his team are reporting 270 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: it today, others are gonna be reporting tomorrow. We have 271 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: enough problems. We don't need this one too. You shouldn't 272 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: let this guy out. He didn't do anything wrong, and 273 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: within forty eight hours he was released. This is God, 274 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: but God uses faded people. So that's the There's geopolitical 275 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: side too, we can talk about too, But just in 276 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: terms of covering is what's happening? How do we pray 277 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: for our brothers and sisters in all of the region. 278 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: What is really happening. I still can't tell you many 279 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: sources that I would news sources I would that exists 280 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: that would report this type of information. 281 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 3: Let's take a break and here a message from one 282 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 3: of our sponsors. Welcome back to the Out of Zion 283 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: podcast with Susan Michael. 284 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: Well, you and I were just chatting earlier about out 285 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: that after let's talk about the jail. Political, after Israel 286 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 2: has gone through this two and a half years of 287 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: really tough tire, You're optimistic about the future. 288 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: Which is ironic because I'm a Russian Jew on my 289 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: father's side, so that means I'm a pessimist. Bad things 290 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: happen to the Russian Jews. We're all like bad glass 291 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: is not just half empty, it is cracked and leaking. 292 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: That's how we see the world naturally now in the spirit, 293 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: with a good gentile spirit, filled with wife. It helped me, okay, 294 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: But yes, I actually am quite bullish on where we are. 295 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: It's been a horrible two and a half years and 296 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: Len and I and our teams have lived through it. 297 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: We've covered it, We've gone We've seen missiles launching while 298 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: we're either delivering delivering humanagement relief for the Joshua Fund 299 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: or going to and going to cover something for all 300 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: Israel News. So it has been just the craziest world. 301 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: This is the world that I write about in my 302 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: political thrillers. I make it up. But the last three 303 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: years of not you know, beyond fiction. But I'm actually 304 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: I am optimistic. I am bullish about where Israel's go. 305 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: I Israel has, by the grace of God and the 306 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: hard work and courage of our soldiers and intelligence services, 307 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: has decimated the Iranian regime's capacity to destroy US, has 308 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: Bona's capacity to destroy us Hamas. I mean, there's not 309 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: it's not that there's a little bit more to be done. 310 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: On all fronts. But we are not living in the 311 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: same world that we were two and a half years ago. 312 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: And I believe that in six months to a year, 313 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: everybody in the world is going to see Israel as 314 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: the soup of power, bar none of any country in 315 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: the Middle East security. I think the prosperity. I think 316 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: money is going to flow into Israel, venture capital and 317 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: and other I think that it's going to be and 318 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: I think tourists, Christian tourists are going to flow. I 319 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: think that ministries are going to come and say, Wow, 320 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: what's happening, how do we be how do we help? 321 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: I think I think the world is going to come 322 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: into Israel. And yes there are I believe maybe outside 323 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: of the scope of this podcast, but there are other 324 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: horrible prophetic things that are coming. But I think we're 325 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,719 Speaker 1: gonna be going into a stretch. I think of years, 326 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: possibly of decades, where people are not thinking of the 327 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: Middle East as they're insane Susan, why would you take 328 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: people there Israel? I'm not going to there. There's missiles 329 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: flying and terrorists and suicide bombers. That is not the 330 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: world we're about to head into. And so rethinking every 331 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: ministry we will still have anti Semitism to deal with 332 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: and anti Israelism. As Israel is more successful, that the 333 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: anti Israelism is gonna get worse in certain quarters because 334 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: people like Tucker Carlston and kanas Owanns are gonna be 335 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: their heads are gonna be swiveling on their access and 336 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: their eyes are gonna explode. They're like, the very country 337 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: we hate is winning, its succeeding. Patricians who know what 338 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: where God is taking Israel will be well, we're part 339 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: of the reason it's going well as hard as it 340 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: has been, because we're praying and we're helping and out 341 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: of latsing Israel, and He's blessing us as we busses 342 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: as he promised. 343 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 2: Well, you know, after October the seventh, there was a 344 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 2: Christian minister in America, a big name, and he made 345 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 2: the comment that the reason Hamas attacked Israel was allowed 346 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: to attack Israel by God is because the Jews had 347 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: rejected Jesus. And it's so painful, yeah, yeah, yeah, so painful. 348 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 2: But what a lot of us lose because we're you know, 349 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 2: you're in the news cycle and you just see one 350 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: bad thing after the other. You don't we need your 351 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 2: help to do that analysis, to help me connect the dots, 352 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 2: to put it into perspective. And only recently did I 353 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: come to the realization that it was actually the Hamas 354 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: attack on October seventh that saved Israel from destruction, because 355 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 2: they were supposed to have done unaffordinated attack with Hezbillah 356 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: and Iran, so their ground incursion was to be met 357 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 2: with missiles from Lebanon and from Iran. 358 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: And a native ground invasion from the north and from 359 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: the north, yes, grounded, which had been planned actually years publicly, 360 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: and it would. 361 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 2: Have destroyed Israel in a day. But because Hamas goes 362 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 2: out on their own and attacks, the other two kind 363 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 2: of got mad and didn't really come to their rescue, 364 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: and the fordinated plan didn't happen, and this saved Israel 365 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: from destruction, and instead they have had victory over every 366 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 2: one of those enemies on seven fronts. Now the enemy 367 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 2: still exists, that's the danger. They will try to re arm. 368 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 2: They will try to do it again one day, but 369 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: Israel has so pushed that scenario for far away, as 370 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 2: you said, and now with a political realignment in the 371 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 2: Middle East, when they see israel strength they're drawn to 372 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: that strength. And this is another misunderstanding in America. We 373 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 2: sit here, we live in peace in America. We don't 374 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 2: have an enemy on our border. We certainly don't have 375 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 2: an enemy within forty miles. 376 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: Well, thank god President Trump sealed that border. We had. 377 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: They were kinds of millions of people that we only 378 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: know who they are. But yeah, but yes, in terms 379 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: of either China on our border or having Russia on 380 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: our border in North Korea. Yeah, and even if we. 381 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: Did, they're not forty miles from our home, right. So, 382 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: and we don't understand that. In the Middle East, there's 383 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: a whole different language that is spoken, and it's the 384 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 2: language you must be strong. You must be strong or 385 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: else if they'll c was weak and then they'll pounce 386 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 2: on you. It's a mentality we just don't understand in America. 387 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 2: But Israel does. And so when they are attacked, they 388 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 2: come against it and they try to defeat their enemy. 389 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 2: And today's Christianity, there's a lot of pacifism. There's a 390 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 2: lot of well, we need to be weak, humble, right, 391 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: and loving, and yes we should in our everyday lives. 392 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: But the New Testament also says that our government has 393 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 2: the responsibility of taking up the sword against evil, and 394 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 2: Israel is doing that. They're taking up the sword against 395 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 2: the evil against their people. And I do believe what 396 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 2: you just said that we're headed into a season where 397 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: Israel's going to be strong, and that's going to realign 398 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 2: politically in the Middle East, and there's the potential for 399 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 2: a season of peace and prosperity in the Middle East. 400 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 2: So we just so appreciate all israel moves. 401 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: And you're being you're writing for us, you know, may 402 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: you're tribing free. So I want to see more from you, 403 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: more from your team. These you guys are already doing 404 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: such a great job educating Christians worldwide. And what we've 405 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: never really had Right here, you and I are sitting 406 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 1: at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention in Nashville, And it's interesting, 407 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: Right after almost eight decades of Israel modern prophetic, biblical, wonderful, growing, thriving, 408 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: but under challenge, Israel, how is it possible there's never 409 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: been an actual Israeli media organization run by believers to 410 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: help believers around the world. Know, yes, I'm praying for 411 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: the piece of Jerusalem, but today what's going on today 412 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: that I ought to be praying about. You know, praying 413 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: generally is wonderful, and you guys do that, but you've 414 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: never even had an or there's never been a news 415 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: organization that would like specifically cover all like now, I 416 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: should say it's very important. CBN News runs one of 417 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: the best, but they're doing broadcasts, they're not trying to 418 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: do daily digital a little bit more than they used to, 419 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: but they're doing television and Chris Mitchell's but it's bar 420 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: none the best journalist that there's there. But you like, 421 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: even the icej events, the feast and everything else, it's 422 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: amazing how hard it is to get Israeli coverage of 423 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: those things. Much less American or European than never have 424 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: a tye. So you have to be your own media arms, 425 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: and you guys do a good job of it. Whi's interesting, 426 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: is I just feel like it's this is this is 427 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: this has been a gap somehow God never created until 428 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: now an actual Israeli media arm that would cover the 429 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: ministries as well as cover the region. And well, we 430 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: appreciate it. 431 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 2: And we appreciate our partnership. So before we close, let's 432 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 2: talk about our upcoming partnership. Yeah, you're doing a big 433 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 2: event in Jerusalem called the Epicenters, So please tell us about. 434 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: It and where we'll sure April seventh, twenty twenty seven. 435 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: So from the time and you and I are recording this, 436 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: maybe about fourteen months from now right, we're going to 437 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: host what's called an Epicenter Summit. I use the term 438 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: epicenter that Israel is at the epicenter of the world. 439 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: Jerusalems at the epicenter of Israel, the Temple mountains, at 440 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,959 Speaker 1: the eub center of Jerusalem. That this is where you know, 441 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: God's plan and purpose. The Gospel goes out from there 442 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: so forth. So we're going to do a three thousand 443 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: Christians from all over the world, Lord willing, including wonderful 444 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: people from Ic ej from countries all over the world 445 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: that you guys work in coming now. The summit is 446 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: only one day. President Hertzog will be a keynote speaker, 447 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: and Bastor Mike kackab be a keynote speaker, and then 448 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: other wonderful trusted Godly Bible teachers who love and get 449 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: Israel and the neighbors. We have our love and compassion 450 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: for the neighbors and Graham lots. Greg Lowie's skip Heights, 451 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: Jack Graham of the former president of Southern Baptists and 452 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: who's megachurch pastor in Dallas. These are the main keynotes. 453 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: There will be some other speakers, but the goal is 454 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: a one day catalytic event. You know, where Christian churition 455 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: is pretty much dead. There's been Filidvarian emissions, You've led 456 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: some of them. There's there's delegations Christians and Jews are doing, 457 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: but in the grand scheme where it's like almost nothing 458 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: in terms of a Christians coming. So we're trying to 459 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: use this as a catalyst. So people say, all right, 460 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: so joshuall fund our ministry. We'll definitely and all those rooms, 461 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: we'll definitely do a tour, right, But we're encouraging you 462 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: and we're encouraging all kinds of other ministries. Design your 463 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: own tour. Maybe it's just one boss, maybe it's just 464 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: a pastor on a few members of his team. Donors, 465 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: funday school teachers, whatever, Plan your trip that's going to 466 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: accomplish your ministry's objectives, and then buy tickets to just 467 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: come to the one day of the conference. I think 468 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: it will be the amazing conference that will help educate 469 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: and mobilize Christians to go back all over the world 470 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: to understand what the dynamic. Then where are we then? 471 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: Where what is the what are the issues that we 472 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: need to help people be better educated? Then can barely 473 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: plan them now. But you can see with Tucker and 474 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: Candace and everybody attacking, we're gonna have to do stuff 475 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: next year that we hadn't even thought of a year ago. 476 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: So all that to say, we don't want We're not 477 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: trying to run a tour of three thousand Persians in 478 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: all Israel News and the Joshua. We're going to do 479 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: our role. We'll host the conference and then we're trying 480 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: to get and encourage pastors and mystery leaders. Now plan 481 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: now and start planning to bring people and let people 482 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: start saving so they have a year or so. That's 483 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: the trip of a lifetime. That's where I want to be. 484 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: And we're not doing a conference for more than the summit, 485 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: more than a day, because when you get to Israel, 486 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: you mostly want to go see Israel. But I think 487 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: it is important sometimes to do an event like this. Well. 488 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 2: We look forward to being there for the epicenter and 489 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: to our listening audience. If you mark your calendars now 490 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 2: be in touch with the ic EJUSA office and we'll 491 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: keep you informed on travel opportunities and details on the 492 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 2: upcoming Epicenter summits in April of twenty twenty seven. So Joel, 493 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 2: thank you so much for being with. 494 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: You on some deal with Joel, and. 495 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 2: We so appreciate you, and I thank you all for 496 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 2: listening in and please visit the show notes where we'll 497 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: link to Joel's all Israel news and his ministry. God 498 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 2: bless hey, just give me one more minute. I want 499 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 2: to offer you one of our free resources. We have 500 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 2: wonderful resources in our show notes and if you go 501 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: to our website at ICEJUSA dot org slash show notes, 502 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: you'll find links for a number of our free offers. 503 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 2: We have downloadables to help root you in scripture, help 504 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 2: you to understand the issues surrounding Israel and the importance 505 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 2: of being of Christian support for Israel and don't forget. 506 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 2: Please follow us us on Facebook, YouTube and. 507 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: LinkedIn and stay connected. 508 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: Thank you and God bless. 509 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 3: We hope you have enjoyed this episode of Out of 510 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 3: Zion with Susan Michael. 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