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Speaker 1: Life Audio. Hello, Hello, and welcome to the Confessions of

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Speaker 1: a Christian Alcoholic podcast. I am your host, John Seidel.

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Speaker 1: This is your home for real stories, radical vulnerability, and

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Speaker 1: remarkable comebacks. In the end, this podcast is a place

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Speaker 1: for the desperate, the downtrodden, the destitute, and especially the drunk.

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Speaker 1: But it's also a place of hope and healing. I

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Speaker 1: know that firsthand because I'm the Christian who became an alcoholic,

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Speaker 1: not the other way around. Today I've found sobriety after

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Speaker 1: decades of struggling. But more importantly than finding sobriety, I

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Speaker 1: found Jesus. My prayer is that as I interview people

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Speaker 1: just like you and just like me, along with professionals

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Speaker 1: in the fields of trauma, faith and addiction recovery, you

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Speaker 1: will find the piece that is available to you through

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Speaker 1: Christ on the other side of whatever you're going through

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Speaker 1: and whatever addiction that might be. Because let's face it,

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Speaker 1: we're all addicted to something so welcome. Let's get radically

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Speaker 1: vulnerable as we explore what it looks like to be

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Speaker 1: on this journey of MESSI sanctification. We'll be right back

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Speaker 1: after this. Do science and the Bible conflict. That's a

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Speaker 1: question that I think a lot of people ask. It's

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Speaker 1: a question I've asked, and I think as I've gotten

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Speaker 1: more into this world of addiction recovery, one of the

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Speaker 1: things that have been so great for my faith is

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Speaker 1: I have seen that science in the Bible do not conflict,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, that science is playing ketchup to the

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Speaker 1: Bible in so many ways. And today Guests is going

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Speaker 1: to show us that in very practical ways. His name

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Speaker 1: is doctor Lee Warren, and he has a new book

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Speaker 1: out right now called The Life Changing Art of Self

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Speaker 1: Brain Surgery. And I tell this to Lee, but I

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Speaker 1: think it's one of the most important books in what

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Speaker 1: it looks like to marry science and faith. I think

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Speaker 1: it's probably gonna become a New York Times bestseller. I

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Speaker 1: hope it does, because Lee is an incredible human being.

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Speaker 1: He's a dear friend, and the stuff that he has

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Speaker 1: written in this book is is really great. And so

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Speaker 1: he explains, among many things, what does it look like

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Speaker 1: Biblical mandate to renew your mind? And so he talks

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Speaker 1: about neuroplasticity, which has become a very popular thing. But

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Speaker 1: I think Lee has been on the forefront of neuroplasticity,

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Speaker 1: goes on inside, what he found, how he kind of

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Speaker 1: discovered some of these principles thanks to his wife, Lisa,

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Speaker 1: who I have met. She's an incredible human as well,

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Speaker 1: and so let's chat right now all things neuroscience, faith,

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Speaker 1: renewing your mind, and self brain surgery with doctor Lee.

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Speaker 1: Warren Lee, thank you so much for coming back on

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Speaker 1: the Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic podcast. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: if I said this in the intro or not, but

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Speaker 1: I was saying to someone about your book last week,

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Speaker 1: But I said, I really believe it's going to be

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Speaker 2: Wow, from your lips to God's ears.

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Speaker 1: Brother, I know, I know, and then I'll get to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: I knew doctor Lee back then, before before he became

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Speaker 1: and I actually just had a meeting before this where

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Speaker 1: but I just this topic is so important, it's so relevant.

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Speaker 1: So let's get into this. And you know, if people

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Speaker 2: But the highlights are. I was raised as a Christian

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this. Wow. Right, it's awesome.

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Speaker 2: neuroscience experts saying, hey, neurons that fire together, wire together.

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Speaker 2: What Donald Hebb actually described. That's a catchy way of

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Speaker 2: saying it. What he actually described with something called coincident

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Speaker 2: based coincident dependent neuronal synaptic plasticity. That's a huge long word.

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Speaker 2: What does it mean? Coincident based neuronal an aptic plasticity.

436
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Speaker 2: It means when two things happen close together in proximity

437
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Speaker 2: that your brain says, oh, there must be a connection

438
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Speaker 2: between these two things, as if one is triggering the other,

439
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Speaker 2: and I'm going to reinforce that so that when this

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Speaker 2: thing happens, I'm going to go ahead and trigger that

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Speaker 2: other thing. And so with alcohol, for example, you take

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Speaker 2: a drink of alcohol when you're feeling bad because you

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Speaker 2: think it's going to make you feel better, and a

444
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Speaker 2: couple of things happen. You get a dopamine release because

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Speaker 2: alcohol just happens to hit the cells that stored dopamine

446
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Speaker 2: and makes them release, And you get a gava spike

447
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Speaker 2: that makes you feel calm or relaxed. You get this

448
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Speaker 2: another other neurotransmitter that makes you feel good transiently. Right,

449
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Speaker 2: And your brain says, I got that dopamine and that

450
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Speaker 2: good calm feeling because of the alcohol. But your brain

451
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Speaker 2: doesn't make you think about the fact that dopamine is

452
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Speaker 2: part of the reward cycle. And so what you actually

453
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Speaker 2: do is you wire in a connection that says alcohol

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Speaker 2: is a reward to me. Yeah, and so when I

455
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Speaker 2: start to feel bad, then I deserve that reward, and

456
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Speaker 2: when I do, I tend to feel better transiently. So

457
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go trigger the thing that gives me

458
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Speaker 2: the reward. That's where the addiction comes in. It's this

459
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Speaker 2: hijacking of the reward system, because what's really happening is

460
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Speaker 2: the next day you feel terrible because your neurochemistry is

461
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Speaker 2: all out of whack, and you never actually say, wait

462
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Speaker 2: a minute, maybe that wasn't such a great reward after all,

463
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Speaker 2: and you don't rewire the fact that it was a

464
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Speaker 2: false flag that you fell for. You just fall back

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Speaker 2: to the dependency be part. The dependency part happens because

466
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Speaker 2: you have connected those two neurons that were coincident with

467
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Speaker 2: one another where I did this thing and I got

468
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Speaker 2: the dopamine release. That meant that was a reward. So

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Speaker 2: I'm going to identify the thing as the reward. So

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Speaker 2: where the self brain surgery piece comes in then is

471
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Speaker 2: to say, when I start to feel like I need

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Speaker 2: something to feel a certain way and that I deserve

473
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Speaker 2: to feel that way, I need to recognize that thoughts

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Speaker 2: aren't usually true, that about eighty percent we know now

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Speaker 2: from research really clearly about eighty percent of the thoughts

476
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Speaker 2: that pop into our head are false. Wow, and about

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Speaker 2: eighty percent of the things that we feel are false.

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Speaker 2: And so then humans have this. Humans are the only

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Speaker 2: thing God created john that have this ability to do

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Speaker 2: what we call meta cognition. So mediccognition is where you

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Speaker 2: don't just think and feel something. You think about what

482
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Speaker 2: you're thinking and feeling, and you can decide if what

483
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Speaker 2: you're thinking and feeling is helpful to you or not.

484
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Speaker 2: And so if you can get with an addiction, if

485
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Speaker 2: you can get into the place where you start to

486
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Speaker 2: question whether the addiction is actually rewarding you or not,

487
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Speaker 2: and you can think about it from a top down

488
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Speaker 2: perspective where you say, wait a minute, when I drink alcohol, yes,

489
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Speaker 2: I feel relaxed in the moment, but the next day,

490
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Speaker 2: I have all kinds of issues to deal with that's

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Speaker 2: not actually rewarding me. Then you can start to think

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Speaker 2: about that, and you can start to tell you brain weight,

493
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Speaker 2: I need to actually get my reward from something that

494
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Speaker 2: does help me the next day, and you start to

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Speaker 2: make coincident based neuronal synaptic plasticities work in your favor

496
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Speaker 2: instead of against you. So then you start finding a

497
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Speaker 2: reward from things that actually do make your life better,

498
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Speaker 2: and you get that synaptic printing starts to kick in

499
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Speaker 2: and you start to degrade those connections that you previously

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Speaker 2: made that says alcohol is the reward for me, and

501
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Speaker 2: you'll start to wire in another reward that actually is

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Speaker 2: rewarding you because you were able to step outside and

503
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Speaker 2: think down from the top about the process. And so

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Speaker 2: that's how I think self printschers can help addiction, is

505
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Speaker 2: to take command of this process of looking critically at

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Speaker 2: what you're thinking and feeling instead of thinking that what

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Speaker 2: you're thinking and feeling is actually true, because it's usually not.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Lee, that is so good. That is

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Speaker 1: absolutely so good. And so then I want to take

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Speaker 1: that and I want to ask the same question in

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Speaker 1: a sense, because I think for a lot of us

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Speaker 1: that struggle with addictions, there is in you know, what

513
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Speaker 1: I say and talk about is there's always something down below. Right,

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Speaker 1: So now we understand the wine camerastry, right, but now

515
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Speaker 1: there's you know, there's something below that says I need

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Speaker 1: to escape or I need to you know, do this

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Speaker 1: right right? You talk about how this same self bringury

518
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Speaker 1: surgery concept can apply to trauma. I would love to

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Speaker 1: hear about that aspect as well, because now I feel like, okay,

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Speaker 1: now let's go even one step further down below.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So trauma. Interestingly, trauma's really famous. Right now, everybody's

522
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Speaker 2: talking about trauma. They're stored in your body, and you know,

523
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Speaker 2: the body keeps hiss core and all these things, and

524
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Speaker 2: everybody wants to go back and the past and figure

525
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Speaker 2: out what the root cause of all their problems were

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Speaker 2: and all of that. What we know from the neuroscience

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Speaker 2: now is it's not actually the event that you go

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Speaker 2: through that creates the reality of how you're living now.

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Speaker 2: It's actually the set of responses and reactions that you've

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Speaker 2: adopted to the thing that you went through, Because what

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Speaker 2: is it that wires your brain, it's what you're thinking about.

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Speaker 2: And so what's happened then is we've gone through something

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Speaker 2: hard that has altered how we think about our lives,

534
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Speaker 2: and that begins to wire in realities about what we

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Speaker 2: think is possible for our future lives. And so over time,

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Speaker 2: before we even realize that we've gone through something hard,

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Speaker 2: we've developed a series of things that we think about

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Speaker 2: and responses that we have to that, and we begin

539
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Speaker 2: to kick in that Heab's law and we begin to

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Speaker 2: wire in these practices and processes in our lives that

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Speaker 2: we think is our trauma is created by our trauma,

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Speaker 2: But what is actually created by is our thought process

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Speaker 2: about our trauma and so it's really good news. Gabrimante

544
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Speaker 2: wrote about this really well where he says, if trauma

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Speaker 2: was actually the thing that could throw your life off track,

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Speaker 2: it would be sort of hopeless because once you've gone

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Speaker 2: through the thing, like my son is always going to

548
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Speaker 2: be gone, right, I can't change that, and it would

549
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Speaker 2: be hopeless for to think I could feel better in

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Speaker 2: the future if it was dependent on not having lost

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Speaker 2: my son, because he's gone. But what the truth is

552
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Speaker 2: is that the way I feel about the future of

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Speaker 2: my life has to do with not the fact that

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Speaker 2: I lost my son, but about the meaning that I

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Speaker 2: attached to that and the way that I think about

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Speaker 2: it now, twelve years after it's happened. And that's really

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Speaker 2: good news because it means you have if you become

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Speaker 2: aware and you can get into that magicicognitive space that

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Speaker 2: we talked about a second ago, if you can become

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Speaker 2: aware and think about the responses that you've developed to

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Speaker 2: the traumas that you've been through, and stop saying I

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Speaker 2: am the way that I am because of this event

563
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Speaker 2: that happened when I was nine, or this I lost

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Speaker 2: my child or my sister or whatever. We've both been

565
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Speaker 2: through some stuff, right, if you can say I have

566
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Speaker 2: developed some responses to the things I've been through that

567
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Speaker 2: are not helping me live an abundant and flourishing life

568
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Speaker 2: now right, And if you can get into that space

569
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Speaker 2: where you can say that to yourself, I recognize that

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Speaker 2: it's not the trauma that has created the life that

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Speaker 2: I have. It's the set of responses and reactions that

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Speaker 2: I have. And I have agency over that because I

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Speaker 2: know from the MRI research that I can change my

574
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Speaker 2: brain and my brain chemistry if I am willing to

575
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Speaker 2: change how I think about things. And so that means

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Speaker 2: if you start reverse engineering your traumas and saying, wow,

577
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Speaker 2: my life's really been a wreck since this thing happened,

578
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Speaker 2: But it's not because the thing happened, it's because of

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Speaker 2: how I've responded to the thing. I can change that response,

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Speaker 2: and I can know that my brain will reliably change

581
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Speaker 2: its course of action and its structural integrity based on

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Speaker 2: what I think about. So here's a good example. I

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Speaker 2: figured out, Lisa and I and our family figured out

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Speaker 2: that the more we kind of ruminated over all that

585
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Speaker 2: we had lost after Mitch died, the worst that we

586
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Speaker 2: felt like, you know, a year goes by it's reasonable

587
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Speaker 2: you're grieving. Nobody expects you to be well after a

588
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Speaker 2: year or two years or whatever. But at some point

589
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Speaker 2: you start feeling kind of stuck, and it's just is

590
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Speaker 2: it ever going to stop feeling like this? Am I

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Speaker 2: ever going to stop coming home from work and crying

592
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: all night, you know, and not being able to sleep?

593
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Speaker 2: And am I ever going to stop doubting God and

594
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: all that stuff in you? And at some point you

595
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: start feeling this little tug that you're supposed to be

596
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: able to move forward in your life that you can't

597
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: right you're stuck. And that's what we call complex grief.

598
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Speaker 2: What we figured out is if we could go back

599
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Speaker 2: and recognize that we were basically worshiping the loss instead

600
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Speaker 2: of the love and the experience that we had with

601
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Speaker 2: Mintch while he was alive, and the tangible ways in

602
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: which he had made our life better in different ways,

603
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Speaker 2: then we would never be able to move forward. But

604
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Speaker 2: once I realized that what I was doing was actually

605
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: not honoring my son, it was just serving my own pain,

606
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Speaker 2: and then I said, wait a minute, I know I

607
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Speaker 2: am a more thoughtful, careful person because of the experience

608
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Speaker 2: of having raised a son who was so impact empathic

609
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Speaker 2: and so careful with other people's feelings. And I learned

610
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Speaker 2: from him to notice people and pay attention to them,

611
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Speaker 2: and so I honor Mitch when I pay attention to

612
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Speaker 2: somebody who's hurting. Mitch had a real soft spot for

613
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Speaker 2: hurting people, and so I honor him. And when I

614
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Speaker 2: think about that, like, wow, I'm a really I'm a

615
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: better person because my son taught me some things that

616
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Speaker 2: I should have been teaching him. And I was the

617
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Speaker 2: dad and he was the little boy, right, And so

618
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Speaker 2: I started shifting, like what is my life now doing

619
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Speaker 2: to honor the legacy of having had such a joyful, beautiful, smart, careful,

620
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Speaker 2: caring son. And I made this what we now call

621
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Speaker 2: the loss to legacy shift, where I said, Okay, I'm

622
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Speaker 2: not going to worship the loss anymore. I'm going to

623
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Speaker 2: be grateful for what I gained from having had him

624
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Speaker 2: in my life. And all of a sudden, I start

625
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: feeling better. Right. It doesn't take away the pain, and

626
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Speaker 2: it doesn't take away the fact that still stops me

627
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 2: in my tracks once in a while when I come

628
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: in and I see his picture or something, but it

629
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Speaker 2: gives me something else that I can carry in my

630
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Speaker 2: other hand, that's equally valuable and equally true that I

631
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Speaker 2: now have used this self brain surgery idea to transform

632
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Speaker 2: that loss into something that's not just devastating, but it's

633
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: also empowering and allows me to know that he would

634
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: look down on me and say, Wow, that's good, Dad,

635
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Speaker 2: You're using what happened to me to help other people

636
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: manage what they're going through. And my son would be

637
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Speaker 2: proud of that. And so I've learned to re engineer

638
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 2: the pain that I've been through and find something I

639
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: can use that pain to motivate me to change positively

640
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: in the future. And that's another way of engaging Hebb's loss,

641
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: to say, stop, every time I think about Mitch, don't

642
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: go down into the abyss and grieve like it just

643
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: happened when it happened twelve years ago. Now take a

644
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 2: knee for a second, acknowledge the pain, and find something

645
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: else about him that I'm grateful for, and navigate into

646
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Speaker 2: the future knowing I can hold onto that and that's

647
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Speaker 2: going to help me heal and grow and help inspire

648
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: other people. And I tell my grandkids stories about him now,

649
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: and they say, well, I want to be like my

650
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: uncle Mitch when I grow up, you know, and things

651
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: like that, and just re engineer the story and the

652
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: trauma starts healing because it wasn't ever the trauma that

653
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: was keeping you stuck. It was the response.

654
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: Wow, you know you said something I can and the

655
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: word that you used there I think was really important.

656
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: But that you know, we can in a sense make

657
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: an idol out of the grief or worship the grief,

658
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: or or or or you know, all of those things, right, Yeah,

659
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: And what's interesting to me is how and why do

660
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: you think that happens? Because like, if we look at addiction, right,

661
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: what you just described as there's a dopamine release, right,

662
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: and so I can get you know, even just from

663
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: a physiological perspective, I can get addicted to that. But

664
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: why do you think we can get you know, for

665
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: lack of a better term, or maybe this isn't the

666
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: right but addicted to something like grief because it's not

667
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: like a dopamine response, but we can get stuck to

668
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: what is that? What is happening there?

669
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: Well, so I think it starts with under with not

670
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: understanding that what we just talked about, right, that it's

671
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: not the actual event because most of us think, okay,

672
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: when this happens to a human person, their host like that,

673
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: nobody can recover from losing their kid, nobody can recover

674
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,479
Speaker 2: from their spouse dying. So you know, people actually believe

675
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. And so part of it is

676
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: this this pre existing belief that if you go through

677
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: a certain set of things that it's going to have

678
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: inherent power to destroy the future of your life. But

679
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: another part of it is that you have this part

680
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 2: of your brain called the anti singulate gyrus, which is

681
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: kind of part around the middle that connects the two hemispheres,

682
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: and the singular gyrus is involved in sort of shifting

683
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: from one emotional state into another. It's kind of like

684
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: a gearshift. One of its many functions, but one of

685
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: them is this this sort of shifting from Okay, I'm

686
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: in this place and I'm thinking about and feeling this,

687
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: and now it's time to do this other thing. The

688
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: singulate it's the one that says, Okay, let's shift over

689
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: here and do this other thing. And so it brings

690
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: different brain networks online and kind of connects them like

691
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: a switchboard. And it's been really well studied by Mary

692
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: Francis O'Connor out of Arizona and a bunch of other

693
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 2: people that have done functional imaging and people who are

694
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 2: stuck in what they call prolonged grief, Like they get

695
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 2: stuck in these yearning loops and it's twenty years later

696
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: and they still can't, you know, they just can't get

697
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: out of the house, and they develop a gooraphobia because

698
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: they want through this thing and they just can't get

699
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: over it. And what they found is their singulates just

700
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: gets stuck. It's like the gearshift is stuck in neutral,

701
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: and they cannot shift out of one emotional state into

702
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: a healthier one, even when they recognize that it's not

703
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: helping them that when they know they're stuck, that they

704
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: can't do it. And what happens is you convince yourself

705
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: that the inertia, the weight of what you've been through

706
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: is overwhelming, and you start telling your brain that story.

707
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: And what we know now is that the way the

708
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: brain works is it's always listening for it's either going

709
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 2: to run the play that it's always been running, and

710
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: because of HEP's law, because of neuroplasticity, it's running the

711
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: play that it's been wired to run, or it's going

712
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: to listen for a new command from your mind that

713
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: you're telling it to start doing something different. And as

714
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: soon as you start telling it to do something different,

715
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: you begin to lay down the neurologic tracks, the microtubules

716
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: they call them, to make those new synapses happen. And

717
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: so what happens is if you sit and over and

718
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: over and over in your life say to yourself, this happened,

719
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: and that's going to define the rest of my life,

720
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 2: and I can't move forward from this, and nobody could

721
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 2: move forward from this. Then your brain's always listening, and

722
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: your reticular activating system comes online to enable you to

723
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: lay down more microtubules to enact that reality, and you

724
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: start literally creating the neurologic hardware that you need to

725
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: support that belief that you can't move forward. And then

726
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: when that happens, your singulate gyrus says, Okay, well, if

727
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: you don't want me to shift, I'm just going to

728
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: stay here and you get better at what you're doing

729
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 2: because of Hebb's law, and so over time this becomes

730
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 2: a reverberating circuit of I believe I can't get better.

731
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: My brain hears me say that and makes the hardware

732
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: more robust to keep me from being able to get

733
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: better than my simulate Gyrus says, Yep, you're right. You

734
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: can't shift into a more healthy emotional state, so you

735
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: need to just grief some more. And it turns into

736
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: this circuit of loss and grief, and that's been shown

737
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: in functional imaging. The parts of your brain that are

738
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: related to grief just never stop firing. And so as

739
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 2: soon as you can get into that cognitive space of

740
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: saying this situation that I'm living in where this grief

741
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: has me stuck and I'm almost almost worshiping it because

742
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: I have now believed that it has inherently become bigger

743
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 2: than God, and even God can't get me to be

744
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: healed from this. I'm just stuck with this until I

745
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: die and then I get to go to heaven. And

746
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: a lot of Christians fall into that, right, Okay, I

747
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: know Jesus said that I'm here to have an abundant life,

748
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: but I just can't do it. I'm stuck. Nobody can

749
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: understand what I've been through. Someday he'll come back and

750
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 2: it'll all be okay. But for now, this is just

751
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: how my life is, just how I am right, we

752
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: believe this is how I am. And if you've ever

753
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: said that, this is what you're stuck in right here.

754
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: And so as soon as you can get into a

755
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: space where you say this isn't helping me and I

756
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: want my brain to support me doing something other than this,

757
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: then you start to say, maybe I can start taking

758
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 2: scripture seriously, Maybe I can get a therapist who can

759
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 2: help me unwind this and figure out where my response

760
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: went off. And you start getting some help and you

761
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: start thinking about it in a different way. Immediately, this

762
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: has been well shown. People stuck in complex grew for

763
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: many years. Immediately when they get cognitive behavioral therapy, they

764
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: start changing their brain firing and it starts moving towards

765
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: putting that thing back in gear. And anybody, regardless of

766
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 2: how long you've been stuck, if you can reframe it

767
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: in that way, you can get that thing back in gear,

768
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: and you can get better and you can heal because

769
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: your brain is just listening for new commands. It doesn't

770
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: care what you've been repeatedly doing. It just cares what

771
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: you tell it you want next. So the truth is,

772
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: it sounds it sounds like a cliche, but it's not

773
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: about what happened. It's about what happens next, because your

774
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: brain's getting ready to change as soon as you tell

775
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 2: it to.

776
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this. So now let's take

777
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 1: this into the realm of anxiety and depression. So now

778
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: maybe explain to us again how this self brain surgery

779
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: helps us understand, interrupt, get through anxiety and depression.

780
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: Okay, so quick disclaimer. Okay, there are some issues with

781
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: anxiety and depression that require professional help and medical help.

782
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: Thank you.

783
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: Okay, So please don't hear us say, oh, you just

784
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: change your thoughts. Everything's fine. I'm just saying so, so

785
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: hear me. Don't hear me saying that there's not a

786
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: role for physicians, medicine, all that stuff you need to

787
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: oh you doctor, okay if you're struggling. But for the

788
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: vast majority of people who are not in that severe

789
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: state or they're in trouble. It has been incredibly well

790
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 2: shown by Jeffrey Schwartz at UCLA and several other researchers

791
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 2: that cognitive behavioral therapy and direct self directed neuroplasticity, which

792
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: is sort of a fancy way of saying self brain surgery,

793
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: is as a more effective than antidepressants for many forms

794
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: of depression. Is as a more effective than medications for

795
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 2: obsessive compulsive disorder in many cases, as or more effective

796
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: than medications for anxiety disorders in many cases. So that

797
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 2: means that it is possible for humans to improve how

798
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: they feel by changing how they think. So just knowing

799
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: that you have some agency if you hear my voice

800
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: wherever you are, the hope here in this message is this,

801
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: you have agency and control over what your brain does.

802
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: You may still need professional help to get to the

803
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: place where you can direct those things in a way

804
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: that helps you and to do it safely. And if

805
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 2: you're feeling suicidal or feeling overwhelmed, go get help. Okay,

806
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: But from moment to moment, from thought to thought, understand this.

807
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: Your brain wires what you tell it to care about.

808
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: So the more you focus on something and the intensity

809
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: it's called attention density. The more you pay attention to

810
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 2: something from a particular point of view, the more real

811
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: it becomes in your brain. And so that means when

812
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 2: you feel anxious, if you start saying things to yourself like,

813
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I'm getting anxious, I'm getting ready to

814
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: have a panic attack, I know it's coming. I better

815
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go to that place because I'm

816
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: going to have anxiety. If I do, you're going to

817
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: start triggering the things that make you feel anxious because

818
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 2: you're telling your brain that you want to feel more anxious.

819
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: But if you learn to say, Okay, hang on a second,

820
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: I can get my physiology under control by taking some

821
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: deep breaths. I know my vegas nerve will come online.

822
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: God made me to be able to heal and to

823
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: control my para sympathetic nervous system. I can take a

824
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: deep breath, I can slow my heart rate down. I

825
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: can look around the room and see five things I

826
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: can see and I can touch four things. And what

827
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: I'm doing there is I'm proving that I can read

828
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: direct to what my brain is feeling it needs to

829
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: think about, and I can reliably work myself out of

830
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: an anxiety or a panic attack because I can engage

831
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: different parts of my brain and not just themagdal that

832
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: it's trying to make me run off into five fly freeze.

833
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: So basically, with anxiety in particular, when you stop thinking

834
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: about it and you make yourself think about something else

835
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: and you don't give into it and leave the situation,

836
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: but you engage rather with other senses and other things

837
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: that you can control. You can quickly prove to yourself

838
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 2: that most of the time you can work yourself out

839
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: of that attack.

840
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: It will help you.

841
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: And so with depression, it's a little bit different because

842
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: depression is so physical that there's so much of our

843
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: bodies that get involved in it, and that starts to

844
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 2: make it changes how we feel from a moment to

845
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 2: month basis. In day to day and month to month,

846
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: sometimes that we start then believing that that's how we're

847
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 2: always going to feel, and that can create this deep,

848
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: ingrained situation where you don't believe that you can ever

849
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: feel better than that. And I think depression really more

850
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: than anxiety, requires professional help when it's severe and so,

851
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: but on the short term, the most of us that

852
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: are feeling depressed, that have depressed affect or mood and

853
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: we're not in a major depressive disorder. We can use

854
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: these techniques to decide that we want to think about

855
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: something that lifts our mood a little bit and grab

856
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: onto that and think about that some more, and that

857
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 2: will begin to wire your brain and change your neurochemistry

858
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: in a short term and you'll prove to yourself that

859
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 2: you can work yourself out of even a depressed mood.

860
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 2: But it doesn't really work for major depressive disorder, especially

861
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: those of suicidal tendencies. You need professional help with that.

862
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: So you think you for that. You've said this, and

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Speaker 1: I think you've kind of described this towards the beginning,

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Speaker 1: but I just want to I want to dummy proof this.

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Speaker 1: You you talked about neuroplasticity. Can you just give us

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Speaker 1: that very quick understand? Okay, because to your point, you

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Speaker 1: hear a lot about this on social media now right,

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Speaker 1: What is neuroplasticity and what does it mean for us?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So, the old thought was that you're born with

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Speaker 2: all the brain you're ever going to have, and that

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Speaker 2: the way your brain works is fixed and doesn't change.

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Speaker 2: That was what we always thought up until about two

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Speaker 2: thousand and one. What we know now is your brain

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Speaker 2: actually literally changes its structural connections every second of your life.

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Speaker 2: Neurons break connections and remake them, and what drives the

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Speaker 2: remaking of those connections are the thought patterns that we

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Speaker 2: have more than anything else. So that means that when

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Speaker 2: you feel stuck and like you've always been the same way,

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Speaker 2: and you'll always be the same way. It's because we

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Speaker 2: now know that about ninety percent of the thoughts that

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Speaker 2: individuals think in a given day are the same thoughts

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Speaker 2: they thought the day before. And if you don't believe that,

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Speaker 2: journal your most three common things that pop into your

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Speaker 2: head every day for a week and see if they

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Speaker 2: aren't all the same things they will be. Then so

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Speaker 2: we know that ninety percent of the things we think

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Speaker 2: about are the same, we know that eighty percent of

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Speaker 2: the automatic thoughts that we have that pop into our

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Speaker 2: head are false, and we know that the primary driver

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Speaker 2: of neuronal connection is what we think about. Then that

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Speaker 2: quickly explains to you why you're stuck if you don't

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Speaker 2: ever change what you're thinking about. So neuroplasticity is the

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Speaker 2: process by what your brain breaks and remakes those connections.

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Speaker 2: The fact that your brain's never actually been a fixed structure.

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Speaker 2: It's a living and active change. It constantly changing structure,

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Speaker 2: and the thing that changes it mostly is what you

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Speaker 2: think about. Now you have agency and opportunity to do

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Speaker 2: something about how stuck you feel, because your brain will

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Speaker 2: begin to change those connections when you think different thoughts

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Speaker 2: than you thought before. That's the whole game, right there.

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Speaker 2: That's the entire Two Corinthians ten Romans twelve to two Ephesians,

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Speaker 2: Chapter four, Modern neuroscience. The entire game is. If you

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Speaker 2: feel stuck, it's primarily because you keep thinking about the

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Speaker 2: same stuff all the time.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Okay, So last big question is one of the

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Speaker 1: things I I love lists. I was in the news

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Speaker 1: business and lists always did well, right, So whenever you

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Speaker 1: can do a list, it's it's it's important. And so

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Speaker 1: you have in your book the ten Commandments of self

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Speaker 1: brain surgery. Yeah, and then and number one where well,

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Speaker 1: I just want to cover number one, and that is

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Speaker 1: I must relentlessly refuse to participate in my own demise.

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Speaker 1: Explain the number one commandment of self brain surgery.

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Speaker 2: It's number one because I'm asking you in this book

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Speaker 2: to take up the mantle of understanding that you can

916
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Speaker 2: perform surgery on your own brain. And then if you don't,

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Speaker 2: it's going to keep being the way it's always been.

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Speaker 2: So you have a choice between staying stuck or changing.

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Speaker 2: And to do that, you got to become your own

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Speaker 2: brain surgeon. Basically, and in medical school the first day

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Speaker 2: that make us take an oath that says, I won't

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Speaker 2: commit malpractice against my patient. I will not harm my

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Speaker 2: patient first, no harm. And so I had a patient

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Speaker 2: who used that phrase to me. He realized that he

925
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Speaker 2: was he was in so much pain that he didn't

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Speaker 2: want to get out of bed and it was making

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Speaker 2: him die. Basically, his mu were wasting, it was getting

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Speaker 2: bed sores, and he was just going to lay there

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Speaker 2: and die because it hurt so much. But then he

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Speaker 2: realized that every day he hurt more anyway, because it

931
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Speaker 2: hurt not to move, and he said, I had to

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Speaker 2: get up and get the therapist to help me start moving,

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Speaker 2: and it hurt like crazy, but I knew every step

934
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Speaker 2: I took was a little bit closer to when it

935
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Speaker 2: was going to stop hurting so much to move. And

936
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Speaker 2: I decided I was not going to lay there and

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Speaker 2: participate in my own demise anymore. And I just said, dude,

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Speaker 2: I'm stealing that, like I'm taking that line, and I

939
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Speaker 2: quoted him, But that relentlessly refused to participate in your

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Speaker 2: own demise basically is a way of saying, don't commit

941
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Speaker 2: malpractice against yourself. And if you know that, the way

942
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Speaker 2: that you think is keeping you stuck and you're not

943
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Speaker 2: willing to change how you think that's malpractice against yourself.

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Speaker 1: I can't think of a better idea that sums up

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Speaker 1: what we addicts do. Then participating in our own demise,

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Speaker 1: right Yeah. We take a thing like alcohol, a thing

947
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Speaker 1: like food, a thing like porn fill in the blank, right,

948
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Speaker 1: and we use it to participate in our own demise

949
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Speaker 1: instead of cleaning that up. And then to your point,

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Speaker 1: you know, some of the stuff you said earlier to

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Speaker 1: then get to the root stuff and what I talk

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Speaker 1: about in my book, get to the root stuff, right yeah, Lee,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, this is an incredible book. I don't

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Speaker 1: think I've given an endorsement quite like this ever on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. And there are great books and you and

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Speaker 1: I know some great writers and those are all great books, right,

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Speaker 1: But but I think it is foundational. I mean I'm

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Speaker 1: people across the country that I've read my book and

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Speaker 1: they're like, what do I do next? And I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: there's this book coming out in February, and if you

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Speaker 1: because it's practical. If people want to pick up the book.

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Speaker 1: If they want to follow you on stuff. So if

965
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Speaker 1: they want to get to know more about you, where

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Speaker 1: can they go?

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Speaker 2: So doctor Leewarren dot com. It's my name, D R.

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Speaker 2: Lee Warren. No no period or any of that, Doctor

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Speaker 2: Leewarren dot com. You can get my newsletter, my podcast,

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Speaker 2: my book books everywhere books are sold. There's an audible

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Speaker 2: version two I narrated and so easy to find. Have

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Speaker 2: a newsletter every week, and we'd love to connect with people.

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Speaker 2: And John I I would love to have as many

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Speaker 2: of the listeners connect with us as we can.

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Speaker 1: Please please, I'm telling you, please pick up this book. Lee.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Hopefully we'll see you on the

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Speaker 1: New York Times bestseller list.

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Speaker 2: Love you, brother, I'm so grateful for you, and congratulations

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Speaker 2: on finishing your seminary. I'm so proud of you, and

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Speaker 2: thank you. Thanks for your time today, buddy, Love you man,

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Speaker 2: Love you too.

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Speaker 1: Ah. It's just so good, right, I mean, I nerd

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Speaker 1: out on that kind of stuff, like, I absolutely love it.

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Speaker 1: I think there are some people who want to say

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Speaker 1: that science and the Bible conflict, or science and faith conflicts,

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Speaker 1: or that you know, it's kind of this one or

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Speaker 1: the other. When it comes to how to treat addictions,

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Speaker 1: it's either all spiritual or all physical. And as you've

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Speaker 1: probably heard in my book, I think it's both, and

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Speaker 1: I think Lee's work is a important lynchpin in marrying

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Speaker 1: those two things. I can't recommend this book enough, The

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Speaker 1: Life Changing Art of Self Brain Surgery. Please go pick

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Speaker 1: it up. Lee is the real deal. He's a genuine human.

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Speaker 1: I've had the chance to host his podcast a couple

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Speaker 1: of times, and I just his heart and his desire

996
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Speaker 1: for what he wants, his ministry and what he does,

997
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Speaker 1: what he wants that to become and to help people

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Speaker 1: is genuine, and so I love this man. So please

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Speaker 1: please send it to someone. That's the best thing you

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Speaker 1: please send it to someone. You can check out my book,

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Speaker 1: Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic at Chrisiancoholic dot com, and

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Speaker 1: Love you out, We will see you next week.