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Speaker 1: Life Audio. Welcome to the Out of Zion podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Shelleyne filling in for doctor Susan Michael, and I'm

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Speaker 2: here with an old friend, Rabbi Toulee Weiss.

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Speaker 1: Tuley is the founder of Israel three sixty.

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Speaker 2: Five, which has grown so much over the years, and

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: So first, just talk.

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Speaker 2: About I remember when you were a rabbi in Ohio

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Speaker 2: and you were cold calling Christians like myself. Oh wow,

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Speaker 2: and first entering into this world, I didn't realize that

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Speaker 2: we were that old friends.

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Speaker 1: I got a cold call.

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Speaker 3: I got a cold because you were doing the Drewsom

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Speaker 3: connection for exactly how twenty years extacle.

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Speaker 4: of our sponsors. Welcome to the Israel Answer Series, Connecting

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Speaker 4: Israel the Bible, and you join Susan Michael as she

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Speaker 4: explores timely issues and current events from a scriptural perspective

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Speaker 4: to equip the Christian world with a balance and biblical response.

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Speaker 4: your faith and bring the Bible to life in your

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Speaker 4: everyday world. Now, let's join Susan with your Israel answers, So.

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Speaker 2: Tell us the bounding tell us value, like went from

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Speaker 2: that point to there and you made Alia in the process.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So I was in Columbus and I was introduced

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Speaker 3: to Christians for the first time in my life. I

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Speaker 3: grew up in Columbus and I kind of in a

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Speaker 3: Jewish bubble, so I didn't have a lot of interactions

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Speaker 3: with Christians until I was an adult and I returned

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Speaker 3: to the community that I grew up in to be

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Speaker 3: the rabbi of the synagogue that I grew up in

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Speaker 3: where my grandfather was the rabbi. Well, talk about a bubble, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: I mean he was the rabbi for fifty years, a legend,

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Speaker 3: and then he passed away. I took over. I was

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Speaker 3: but I didn't know anyone outside of the Jewish community.

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Speaker 3: And I met Christians who loved Israel, and to me

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Speaker 3: that it was almost like a paradox, you know, Christians

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Speaker 3: who love Israel, because I had kind of thought, we

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Speaker 3: grew up to think that Christians were all in opposition

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Speaker 3: to Jews, and Christians had this thing called the New

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Speaker 3: Testament that replaced this old Testament, and that's how I

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Speaker 3: grew up. And so when I met Christians United for

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Speaker 3: Israel or Christians for Israel, it was so surprising and

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Speaker 3: even refreshing. So I got to know Christians and I

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Speaker 3: started Israel three sixty five after moving to Israel. Actually,

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Speaker 3: so we must have spoken when I was sort of

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Speaker 3: local Christians who were supportive of Israel, and I guess

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Speaker 3: I found the Jerusalem connection. That's amazing. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: reminding me about that. But Israel three sixty five is

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Speaker 3: a daily newsletter. Started out as a daily newsletter.

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Speaker 1: That's the name.

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Speaker 2: You've outgrown the name in many ways now, but right

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Speaker 2: now you're Israel three sixty five twenty four seventh.

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Speaker 3: Yes it feels that way, but Israel is based on

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Speaker 3: a verse in Deuteronomy that says Israel's the land that

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Speaker 3: God's iSER upon from the beginning of the year until

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Speaker 3: a photograph. And we've grown, we've we had outgrown that,

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Speaker 3: and so we now have a news website, Israel three

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Speaker 3: sixty five News, which I think you've used, which I think.

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Speaker 3: That's like our biggest, most forward facing media property, has

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Speaker 3: three sixty five news we'd read by Pesachwaliki. He has

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Speaker 3: we also have the Israel Bible, which is another program

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Speaker 3: that we started, the Israel Brade, and that's when I

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know still with all of this growth

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Speaker 3: the ancient prophecies. The modern Israeli we have every prime

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Speaker 2: Christian Zionists do not need to be like labeled as

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Speaker 2: And that's how this starts, and that's how this ends,

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Speaker 2: is that Christians love Israel because we love our Bibles.

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Speaker 3: You know, there is a study from the I think

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Speaker 3: it's called the Manhattan Institute recently that throughout this war,

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Speaker 3: so I feel like this is the Jewish people. What

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Speaker 3: So that's a great question. That's like a perfect lead

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Speaker 3: and it's called Universal Zionist.

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Speaker 3: and it's called Universal Zionism, and it describes the next

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Speaker 3: Universal Zionism the movement for Israel and the nation. Because

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Speaker 3: And so the next phase of the Zionist movement is

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Speaker 2: And Universal Zionism is a fulfillment of the positive prophecies.

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Speaker 3: encouraging is for Jewish people to open up their homes

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Speaker 4: of our sponsors. Welcome back to the Out of Zion

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Speaker 2: The Shabbat table is how Jews and Christians come together

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Speaker 2: to and I have a lot of friends that have

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Speaker 2: and one of their biggest heartaches is that they've never

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Speaker 2: been invited to a Shabbat dinner. So here they are

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Speaker 3: that's exactly what we're trying to do. We have here

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Speaker 3: at the NRB a Shabbat experience and at the end

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