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Speaker 1: Hugh Hewett back inside the Belwagh, where I feel most comfortable,
Speaker 1: especially during a war, where you can doctor people throughout
Speaker 1: the day about what's going on. We are winning, we
Speaker 1: are winning decisively, and we will win decisively. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the end state looks like in Iran, because
Speaker 1: we are not seeking regime change so much as we
Speaker 1: are to destroy again not merely their nuclear power program
Speaker 1: and their nuclear weapons program, but the missile for us
Speaker 1: that surrounds it, as well as the military structure that
Speaker 1: supplies it. And we're well on our way to there.
Speaker 1: President Trump gave a long press conference today. What he
Speaker 1: had to say is a lot more important than what
Speaker 1: I have to say. Let's go to cutt number one.
Speaker 2: When this is over, oil prices are going to go
Speaker 2: down very very rapidly. So is inflation, so is everything else,
Speaker 2: but frankly much more important than short term or even
Speaker 2: long term oil prices. You can't let the most violent,
Speaker 2: vicious country in the last fifty years have a nuclear
Speaker 2: weapon because.
Speaker 3: The Middle East will be gone.
Speaker 2: Israel will go first without question, and they'll certainly take
Speaker 2: a shot at us before we get our act together
Speaker 2: and say we got to take him out.
Speaker 3: You can't let her on, who's truly a nation of great.
Speaker 1: Terror and.
Speaker 3: Power. Look what happened in the last two weeks.
Speaker 2: They weren't supposed to go after all these other countries
Speaker 2: in the Middle East. Those missiles were set to go
Speaker 2: after them.
Speaker 1: He's right, they're a radical, fanatical regime. By the way,
Speaker 1: oil is down ninety three dollars a barrel now and
Speaker 1: dropping cut number two.
Speaker 2: And a lot of people are saying that he's badly disfigured.
Speaker 2: They're saying that he lost his leg, the one leg,
Speaker 2: and he's you know, been hurt very badly. Other people
Speaker 2: are saying he's dead. Nobody's saying he's one hundred percent healthy,
Speaker 2: and he hasn't you know, he hasn't spoken because the
Speaker 2: Ayatola would sit and.
Speaker 3: He'd spew hate from a form of a throne. Not
Speaker 3: as nice as a throne.
Speaker 2: I like the English throne much better, but it was
Speaker 2: it was a fancy chair. But he'd spew hate from
Speaker 2: his chair. But you see him a lot, right, this
Speaker 2: one we haven't seen at all, So that could be
Speaker 2: for a lot of different reasons.
Speaker 3: We don't know.
Speaker 1: Peter of his dead or cut number three. The President
Speaker 1: talks about who's getting help to open the strait of
Speaker 1: horm moves.
Speaker 3: Of they want to make a deal. They're talking to
Speaker 3: our people. I don't know if they say that to you.
Speaker 3: Maybe they do, maybe they don't. Don't forget.
Speaker 2: They are a country that for years I didn't know
Speaker 2: this until recently. They're country based on disinformation and now
Speaker 2: they're using information plus AI and that's a terrible situation.
Speaker 2: That's a terrible situation. They showed all sorts of things
Speaker 2: happening in the last two weeks that never happened, between
Speaker 2: the kamikaze boats that don't exist, between blowing up the
Speaker 2: aircraft carrier, one of the great ships in the world,
Speaker 2: the Abraham Lincoln on fire. They showed it on fire.
Speaker 2: I called it the General, I said, General what's with
Speaker 2: the Abraham Lincoln. It looks like it's burning down. No,
Speaker 2: it's not burning down. Not a bullet was ever fired
Speaker 2: at it, sir.
Speaker 3: They know better.
Speaker 2: They said, this is my first glimpse of AI and
Speaker 2: what they've done with it. They showed buildings in Tel
Speaker 2: Aviv burning to the ground, high rises burning. They showed
Speaker 2: buildings and Qatar. They showed buildings and Saudi Arabia burning
Speaker 2: and they weren't burning, they weren't hit.
Speaker 3: It was all AI. AI based terrible.
Speaker 1: And it is remarkable online Now a lot of the
Speaker 1: left has fallen for this stuff, but I don't. I
Speaker 1: talk to people who know what they're talking about, rather
Speaker 1: than go with the AI. Here's the cut on who's
Speaker 1: helping us and who is in cut number four.
Speaker 4: Have you been speaking with the French President Macum about
Speaker 4: the coalition to reopen the Strait of Hormuz?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have.
Speaker 3: I have spoken to him. He's been on a scale
Speaker 3: of zero to ten. I'd say he's been an eight.
Speaker 3: Not perfect, but it's friends. Are you un expect perfect?
Speaker 4: Are you confident that friends will help with the reopening
Speaker 4: of the Strait of Hormus?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been sure he's gonna I think he's going
Speaker 2: to help him, and I'll let you know.
Speaker 3: I spoke to him yesterday. I don't do a hard.
Speaker 2: Selling them because my attitude is.
Speaker 3: We don't need anybody.
Speaker 2: We're the strongest nation in the world. We have the
Speaker 2: strongest military by far in the way. We don't need them.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting. I'm almost doing it in some cases,
Speaker 2: not because we need them, but because i want to
Speaker 2: find out how they react, because I've been saying for
Speaker 2: years that if we ever did need them, they won't
Speaker 2: be there.
Speaker 3: Not all of them, but they won't be there. I
Speaker 3: was very surprised with the.
Speaker 2: United Kingdom because the United Kingdom two weeks ago I said,
Speaker 2: why don't you send some ships over and he really
Speaker 2: didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1: The United Kingdom is endangering the future of NATO because
Speaker 1: I'm been a big NATO hawk. I'm a regular conservative
Speaker 1: and have been since the eighties. Pieter strength big supporter
Speaker 1: of NATO, and Poland is great. Finland, Sweden their front
Speaker 1: line stay. Ukraine is shipping their technology from their drone
Speaker 1: expertise to us. Everything is great, except our oldest allies
Speaker 1: are not, especially in the United Kingdom. President went on
Speaker 1: to say this cuttnumber five.
Speaker 2: We don't need anybody. We're the strongest nation in the world.
Speaker 2: We have the strongest military by far in the way.
Speaker 3: We don't need them, And.
Speaker 1: CUTT number six.
Speaker 2: We are aggressively dismantling o rens defense industrial base and
Speaker 2: ability to rebuild its missiles and drone capability is getting
Speaker 2: down to close to zero, and we're hammering their capacity
Speaker 2: to threaten commercials shipping in the Strait of Hormos with
Speaker 2: more than thirty mine laying ships destroyed. We hit, to
Speaker 2: the best of our knowledge, all of their mind laying ships.
Speaker 3: Now they can put them on other.
Speaker 2: Types of ships, I guess, and drop them in. But
Speaker 2: we don't know that any have even been dropped in.
Speaker 2: We're not sure that any have been. That's a big
Speaker 2: negative for them. Of they do, it's a form of suicide.
Speaker 3: But we don't know that they have dropped any.
Speaker 2: But we've we've hit all thirty of their ships and
Speaker 2: destroyed them.
Speaker 3: They're all at the bottom of the sea.
Speaker 2: We strongly encourage other nations whose economies depend.
Speaker 3: On the Strait far more than ours.
Speaker 2: You know, we get less than one percent of our
Speaker 2: oil from the Strait, and some countries get much more.
Speaker 2: Japan gets ninety five percent, China gets ninety percent, many
Speaker 2: of the Europeans get quite quite a bit. South Korea
Speaker 2: gets thirty five percent. So we want them to come
Speaker 2: and help us with the Strait.
Speaker 3: We have it in very good shape.
Speaker 2: The countries, I said, we've already taken care of Iran,
Speaker 2: but now because of the fact that literally a single
Speaker 2: terrorist can put something in the water, or shoot something,
Speaker 2: or shoot a missile, a small missile, and it's fairly
Speaker 2: close range because it is a tight area, which is
Speaker 2: one of the reasons they've always used that as a weapon.
Speaker 2: Ran has always used that as an economic weapon, and
Speaker 2: it's not going to be able to be used very long.
Speaker 2: Numerous countries have told me there on the way. Some
Speaker 2: are very enthusiastic about it, and some are in summer
Speaker 2: countries that we've.
Speaker 3: Helped for many, many years.
Speaker 2: We protected them from horrible outside sources, and they weren't
Speaker 2: that enthusiastic, and the level of enthusiasm it matters to me.
Speaker 2: We have some countries where we have forty five thousand soldiers,
Speaker 2: great soldiers protecting them from harm's way, and we.
Speaker 3: Have done a great job, and.
Speaker 2: When we want to know, do you have any mind sweepers, Well,
Speaker 2: would rather not get involved, sir, I said, for you mean,
Speaker 2: for forty years we're protect you and you don't want
Speaker 2: to get involved in something that is very minor, very
Speaker 2: few shots going to be taken because they don't have
Speaker 2: many shots left.
Speaker 3: But they said would rather than not to get involved.
Speaker 3: I just want the fake.
Speaker 2: News media and everybody else to remember that that was said,
Speaker 2: because when I've been a big critic of all of
Speaker 2: the protecting of countries, because I know that we'll protect
Speaker 2: them and if ever needed, if we ever needed help,
Speaker 2: if they won't be there for us. I've just known
Speaker 2: that for a long period of time, just like I
Speaker 2: knew about the Strait that it would be a weapon,
Speaker 2: which I predicted a long time ago, predicted all of
Speaker 2: this stuff.
Speaker 3: You guys were very generous in that I predicted.
Speaker 1: He did predict it. He was right. And this is
Speaker 1: a great winnowing. It's a great dividing of those who
Speaker 1: are winners with us and those who are guinness and
Speaker 1: those who ran away, like the United Kingdom. Now, the
Speaker 1: United Kingdom has a historically twing government and they've run away,
Speaker 1: but I listened to Winston Marshall today interviewing in air.
Speaker 1: Marshall been retired for a few years. The numbers for
Speaker 1: Great Britain are it's a parade. It's a rose parade
Speaker 1: of a military. It's not a real military anymore. But
Speaker 1: they could send the Dragon or a few other ships,
Speaker 1: and it took them two weeks to get the Dragon
Speaker 1: out of Port Cyprus. They're sovereign territory is attacked by
Speaker 1: Iran and they're not getting involved because the left wing
Speaker 1: are pacifist. They're run by pacifists. And the United Kingdom
Speaker 1: is no longer great. It doesn't rule a way much
Speaker 1: less of the waves, and it's very sad. I'll be
Speaker 1: right back in America state too. Welcome back in America.
Speaker 1: I'm due. You are back inside the Belway in my
Speaker 1: beloved Virginia, where it's going to have tornadoes tight if
Speaker 1: their local weather reporter is correct. I'm joined by the
Speaker 1: former Governor of the Commonwealth, our friend Glenn Younkin, Governor,
Speaker 1: Good to see you again. Are you sheltered and hunkered
Speaker 1: for our tornado watch?
Speaker 6: I'm not sheltered and hunkered down yet, but I am
Speaker 6: going to postpone my voting no on this redistricting until tomorrow,
Speaker 6: so that hopefully the folks can be safe around the
Speaker 6: voting establishments today. But we're looking out for the weather.
Speaker 6: I tell everybody please be careful.
Speaker 1: I am also I came back early because I want
Speaker 1: to vote no on this redistricting the initiative. How does
Speaker 1: it look to you? Gether and tell the rest of
Speaker 1: the country what the Democrats are doing in Richmond.
Speaker 6: Well, the first thing the Democrats are doing in Richmond
Speaker 6: is trying to take away the vote of millions of Virginians.
Speaker 6: We had a redistricting referendum in twenty twenty. Two thirds
Speaker 6: of Virginians voted for an independent redistricting commission.
Speaker 5: It passed, and that's what's been used.
Speaker 6: And now they are trying to change this constitutional amendment
Speaker 6: and once again steal votes from people. They're trying to
Speaker 6: take it from a six' Five Democrat Republican house Of
Speaker 6: representative team to ten to one and steal four seats.
Speaker 6: Back and it's just so unfair for three big. Reasons
Speaker 6: One virginian's already voted on. This two because we in
Speaker 6: fact have a governor who is today on record of
Speaker 6: saying that she thinks that redistricting and jerry mandering is
Speaker 6: counter to, democracy and she promised everyone last summer that
Speaker 6: she would not support, it and now she's out supporting.
Speaker 6: Redistricting and the third part of this is what they
Speaker 6: have done with these maps is. Insane they're taking Northern
Speaker 6: virginia and they are pulling it into the rest of the.
Speaker 6: State and let me tell, you if you live In
Speaker 6: Hampton roads and now you're congressional representative comes From, Alexandria
Speaker 6: or you live in The Shenandoah valley and congressional representative
Speaker 6: comes From Fairfax, county or you live In, richmond congressional
Speaker 6: representative is coming From.
Speaker 5: ARLINGTON i, mean it's. Nuts and so.
Speaker 6: This is this moment for us to stand up As
Speaker 6: virginians and vote. No the vote is open, Now early
Speaker 6: voting is on and a run all the way Through
Speaker 6: april twenty, first and this is a chance for us
Speaker 6: to keep them from stealing four seats From republicans In.
Speaker 1: Congress, now the best ARGUMENT i can make to, people
Speaker 1: it's a fifty to fifty, state maybe a little bit
Speaker 1: more blue than a little bit, red but it's. Purple
Speaker 1: and the fact is we've got some very Senior congress
Speaker 1: people who have positions of influence within The Republican, party
Speaker 1: which has a. Majority this is suicidal for the interests
Speaker 1: of the commonwealth as a just as a good government.
Speaker 1: Thing democrats should not want this to. Happen they're not
Speaker 1: getting any money from.
Speaker 5: Us, no it.
Speaker 6: Is it is insane to think that it's good For
Speaker 6: virginia To jerry Mannder virginia in this. Way and the
Speaker 6: bottom line is, now all of a, sudden people who
Speaker 6: have had real senior folks representing us in all of
Speaker 6: The Armed services, committees senior folks REPRESENTING us and appropriations,
Speaker 6: committees are all of a sudden going to be pushed
Speaker 6: out of all of those all of those, committees and
Speaker 6: we're going to See virginia.
Speaker 5: Hurts But i'm just going to go back for a.
Speaker 6: Minute not only is this illegal because they started this
Speaker 6: process in an illegal way by carrying on a vote
Speaker 6: to get it started in the middle of the last,
Speaker 6: election as opposed to before, it but we also recognize
Speaker 6: that they are alying to. US i Mean Abigail, spamberger
Speaker 6: the current, governor stood up on the campaign trail last
Speaker 6: year and said she would not support Redistrict king and,
Speaker 6: jerrymandering and now she turns around and she is supporting.
Speaker 6: It and it's representative of the fact that everything she
Speaker 6: said on the campaign.
Speaker 5: Trail has proven to be.
Speaker 6: False she said she was going to stand up for
Speaker 6: cost of living challenges and. Affordability and the first thing
Speaker 6: they do is raise everybody's utility bill by putting us
Speaker 6: back into this regional greenhouse gas, initiative which puts five.
Speaker 5: Hundred million dollars on.
Speaker 6: Ratepayers they say they want to keep people, safe and
Speaker 6: they Make virginia sanctuary. State immediately he saw this poor woman,
Speaker 6: murdered murdered at a bus station by somebody who should
Speaker 6: have been handed over To. Ice and now finally they're Redistricting.
Speaker 6: Virginia when she stood up and said that she would
Speaker 6: not Redistrict. Virginia this is what you get from them
Speaker 6: when they promised to keep their, word and they, don't
Speaker 6: and therefore we cannot trust them with taking over ten
Speaker 6: to one representation in The commonwealth Of.
Speaker 5: Virginia GOVERNOR i.
Speaker 1: Also want people to realize that the Standard Glenn youngkin
Speaker 1: press conference for the last four years was to announce
Speaker 1: that a new company was coming to the. Commonwealth and
Speaker 1: you would meet there with THE ceo and you'd get
Speaker 1: the shovel out and you'd build. Something first announcement Under
Speaker 1: Governor spanburger Is boeing is leaving For Saint. LOUIS i
Speaker 1: think that's going to accelerate if they passed their tax.
Speaker 1: Plan Goodbye. Virginia i've enjoyed being a, citizen But i'm
Speaker 1: not sticking around For california. TAXES i left once. Already
Speaker 1: that's not going to be, unique is, It? Governor, no it's.
Speaker 6: Not and it's a real moment of just frustration and
Speaker 6: anger for me BECAUSE i feel like we Built virginia
Speaker 6: into the very best state In america to do, business
Speaker 6: and we were rewarded by having one hundred and fifty
Speaker 6: seven billion dollars of commitments from companies to expand and grow.
Speaker 6: Here and now we see companies who are questioning whether
Speaker 6: they should have done. That we See boeing pulling out
Speaker 6: one of their big, divisions and all of a, sudden
Speaker 6: we're going to See tennessee And North, Carolina South, Carolina, Georgia, Florida,
Speaker 6: texas these other states winning where we were winning just
Speaker 6: one year, ago two year, ago three years, ago and
Speaker 6: it has everything to do with pushing an anti business
Speaker 6: agenda From, richmond where they raise the cost of doing
Speaker 6: business In virginia in such a.
Speaker 5: Way that people, Say, NOPE i don't want to be.
Speaker 5: Here i'm going to go someplace.
Speaker 6: Else And i'll tell you, Also, hugh What i'm hearing
Speaker 6: from folks is that people are starting to pack up and.
Speaker 1: Move as.
Speaker 6: Well AS i travel, around i'm in, airports people come
Speaker 6: up and, Say, GOVERNOR i loved it when you were,
Speaker 6: there BUT i can't take it And i'm going to.
Speaker 6: Leave AND i think that The democrats constantly forget that
Speaker 6: families choose they want to live based on where their
Speaker 6: best future is going to, be and businesses choose where
Speaker 6: they're going to be based on their opportunity to. Thrive
Speaker 6: virginia had demonstrated during our four years we could do.
Speaker 6: Both we grew people and we grew. Businesses and it's
Speaker 6: going the other direction now.
Speaker 1: Now, GOVERNOR i do want to get one question in
Speaker 1: because you were a friend of the military three or
Speaker 1: four years In. Richmond you've always been supportive of the.
Speaker 1: Military we're involved in this compact combat With. Iran i've
Speaker 1: been playing The president's press. CONFERENCE i think it's going Extraordinarily.
Speaker 1: WELL i got family in The. Navy they think it's
Speaker 1: going Extraordinarily, well what do you think of the? Mission
Speaker 1: what do you think of the need to see it?
Speaker 6: Through, yeah we have to see this through to comprehensive.
Speaker 5: Victory there's no half measure.
Speaker 6: Here and THEREFORE i am so proud of the men
Speaker 6: and women who serve The American Armed. Forces they are
Speaker 6: the best in the, world the best it has ever,
Speaker 6: been and they, will in fact do the duty that
Speaker 6: needs to be, done which is a comprehensive. Victory iran
Speaker 6: can never be allowed to have a nuclear, way and
Speaker 6: they must never have the ability to attack their.
Speaker 5: Neighbors they can no longer fund their.
Speaker 6: Proxies we have seen already the decimation of their, navy
Speaker 6: the decimation of their, leadership and our great military has
Speaker 6: to finish this job in a comprehensive. Way i'm one
Speaker 6: hundred percent behind, them AND i ask For god's blessing
Speaker 6: on each and every one of.
Speaker 1: Them and a final, question we had a terrorist attack
Speaker 1: On Old. Dominion you you put a lot of time
Speaker 1: and effort into preparing our universities and our schools to be.
Speaker 1: Safe it's, shocking but it's a. Reality. Governor do you
Speaker 1: think The democrats are up to dealing with this at
Speaker 1: the state.
Speaker 5: LEVEL i don't think they.
Speaker 6: ARE i think they firmly believe that people who are
Speaker 6: Naturalized american citizens who come out and pledge allegiance TO
Speaker 6: isis should stay in the.
Speaker 5: Country AND i.
Speaker 6: Firmly believe that someone who is a naturalized citizen who
Speaker 6: pledges allegiance TO isis and has to go to jail
Speaker 6: because of it should have their citizenship revoked and they
Speaker 6: should be deported. Immediately that guy should have never been In.
Speaker 6: America that guy should have been deported a long time.
Speaker 6: Ago and the fact that because of soft policies on
Speaker 6: these kinds of, moments it allows a, murderer a terrorist
Speaker 6: to stay in The United states and take the life
Speaker 6: of a hero At Old Domini. University And i'm gonna tell,
Speaker 6: you Those rozi students in the classroom are. Heroes AND
Speaker 6: i just pray for that man's. Family he was a
Speaker 6: True american hero and it should have never.
Speaker 3: Happened.
Speaker 1: Governor good to see. You we will be out voting
Speaker 1: no on the initiative Before april twenty.
Speaker 3: Fourth do not.
Speaker 1: Wait get out and vote. Tomorrow once the rain. Stops thank,
Speaker 1: You Governor Glenn. Younkins stay tuned In. America we'll come
Speaker 1: back In. America I'm Hugh hewittt with my insurer in,
Speaker 1: Chief Selena. Zito, selena you're very happy with The World Baseball,
Speaker 1: classic aren't.
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Speaker 8: In, there and one who calls himself an honorary jur
Speaker 8: With Paul.
Speaker 7: Skin So i'm feeling all the.
Speaker 1: GREATNESS i Want paul bitch the final, game BUT i
Speaker 1: don't think he, will will, he because that's we. Got
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Speaker 7: OTHER i don't. KNOW i MEAN i want him to.
Speaker 7: TOO i love. Him that guy's a. Beast he's An
Speaker 7: Air force he was in The Air Force.
Speaker 8: Academy he is so patriotic and he's such a good
Speaker 8: leader on that, team but they all. Are this has
Speaker 8: been the most Fun i've had in, baseball And i've
Speaker 8: gone to Three World series all right.
Speaker 1: NOW i read a play for that was a long time.
Speaker 1: Ago because if it's The, pirates that's a long time all. Right,
Speaker 1: So Selena Ezra, Kleine New York times Podcaster i've Known
Speaker 1: ezra for thirty five. Years he was one year ahead
Speaker 1: of my. DAUGHTER i saw him as the Surfing santa
Speaker 1: in the seventh grade. Play and he went to The
Speaker 1: university Of Santa cruz and he got HIS. Bep but you,
Speaker 1: KNOW i tried very hard not to let. That he
Speaker 1: was a smart, kid eager, kid want talk politics all the.
Speaker 1: Time he's following his. Dream he's done very. Well he started,
Speaker 1: vox he's at The New York. Times but when it
Speaker 1: comes to, depth SOMETIMES i, wonder here's the opening of his.
Speaker 1: PODCAST i will play little bits of it And i'll
Speaker 1: get your. Comment let's start.
Speaker 9: IT i found myself struggling to describe the War President
Speaker 9: trump has chosen to enter into With, iran the strange
Speaker 9: lightness with which he seems to have chosen.
Speaker 10: This.
Speaker 1: Don't leave. You let's stop right. There the strange lightness
Speaker 1: with which he has seemed to have chosen. This what
Speaker 1: does that, Mean?
Speaker 5: SELENA i don't.
Speaker 8: KNOW i don't know what strange lightness, is BUT i
Speaker 8: would sure love to see him do that podcast sort
Speaker 8: of as an on this day in seventeen seventy, six
Speaker 8: because there's a whole lot of strange lightness That George
Speaker 8: washington And.
Speaker 7: Henry knox And Nathaniel green and all of them went
Speaker 7: through in this.
Speaker 8: Time And i'm sure there was AN x there was a,
Speaker 8: podcasters and there wasn't today's media covering it because they
Speaker 8: would have given up and.
Speaker 7: Their souls would have been crushed by the way it
Speaker 7: would have been.
Speaker 1: Covered Israel putnam would not have done. WELL i, mean
Speaker 1: as a, client wouldn't have done well With Israel putnam
Speaker 1: On Bunker hill or in the retreat From New. York
Speaker 1: here's part two Of Ezra's opening Your.
Speaker 2: Home it's very dangerous. Outside bombs will be dropping.
Speaker 9: EVERYWHERE i would, say the, worst spiraling out of, control
Speaker 9: but there's never real pretense in that it was under.
Speaker 3: Control all, right, STOP i find.
Speaker 1: It selena is the worst spilering out of, control and
Speaker 1: was there ever any pretense that it was in? CONTROL i,
Speaker 1: mean these are vapid things to.
Speaker 7: Say these are very vapid things to.
Speaker 8: Say AND i imagine him in that sort of moody
Speaker 8: scenery that he's doing there Interviewing Benedict arnold and why
Speaker 8: his mind changed after he was injured in The battle For, Quebec,
Speaker 8: RIGHT i mean it gives YOU.
Speaker 3: O i'm sorry so.
Speaker 1: Earnest i'm very. Earnest though at part number, three let's
Speaker 1: get more.
Speaker 9: Earnest hard to Say trump's plan for the worst failing
Speaker 9: because it is not clear there was any plan at all.
Speaker 1: There this is the one that gets me BECAUSE i
Speaker 1: know too many people in the. MILITARY i have a
Speaker 1: son in law and nephew on active. Duty my son
Speaker 1: just got off of active. Duty everything is a. Plan
Speaker 1: this is the most. Plan we've been planning this for forty.
Speaker 1: Years where do people get Off selena talking about stuff like?
Speaker 8: This it Is it is astounding to watch, that to
Speaker 8: be honest with, You and it's almost like a dramatic
Speaker 8: reading of current, events and it's done with all kinds
Speaker 8: of atmospheres and different camera. Angles but the lack of
Speaker 8: depth is coming from what he's, doing and it's really
Speaker 8: disappointing to see this turned into sort of a staged craft.
Speaker 3: Event it's not a political.
Speaker 1: Event it's a. War Twelve americans have dying.
Speaker 7: Me, yeah, yeah it's a.
Speaker 8: War and our military has been extraordinary in this. War
Speaker 8: and it is such a sharp contrast to what we
Speaker 8: saw In august twenty seventh of twenty twenty, one and
Speaker 8: it is what they have achieved should be talked.
Speaker 7: About i'm not saying cheered, on but at least.
Speaker 8: Talked about with the depths that it, deserves along with
Speaker 8: all of the sort of capabilities they have with. Technology it's,
Speaker 8: astounding and yet he's turning it into days of our.
Speaker 7: Lives it.
Speaker 1: IS i also want to make SURE i touch on
Speaker 1: someone on the internet got the great idea to Suggest
Speaker 1: butler was. Staged the attempt to kill the president and
Speaker 1: the murder Of Corey comparatoy was, staged and you took
Speaker 1: out after. Them can you believe someone did? That and
Speaker 1: how far it? Traveled now?
Speaker 7: Fast it traveled.
Speaker 8: Fast it was cut and paste and used by a
Speaker 8: lot of people with very very large accounts THAT i don't.
Speaker 7: Even know if they're real.
Speaker 8: People but that doesn't, matter because it penetrates into the.
Speaker 8: Psyche the good news is the only ten percent of
Speaker 8: the entire country Uses, twitter and of that ten, percent
Speaker 8: about two thirds of it are the only ones that
Speaker 8: use it, Actively so at least it's not something that
Speaker 8: penetrates in real life in the way they believe that it.
Speaker 7: Does but it. Is it is, crude it's, vulgar it's.
Speaker 8: Insulting someone's, husband, father and son died that day right
Speaker 8: in front of, me AND i.
Speaker 11: Saw two men gravely, injured and those bullets went right
Speaker 11: over my. Head and you, know it's like people don't
Speaker 11: understand the shell, shocked. Right people just stood there because
Speaker 11: you can't believe it's.
Speaker 7: Real that was what the poster was.
Speaker 1: Saying the, posters, well they didn't act like there was
Speaker 1: an active, shooter and they were it was over too.
Speaker 7: Quickly, YEAH i didn't.
Speaker 8: Know there was like a handbook that went out and
Speaker 8: said this is how you behave if there's an active,
Speaker 8: shooting and if you, don't then you're.
Speaker 7: Lying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, WELL i want to compliment you for the rapidity
Speaker 1: with which you responded and the efficacy with which you,
Speaker 1: responded and the fact that others join you in responding
Speaker 1: and calling out that. Individual have they?
Speaker 8: Apologized, no of course not, no because that will require.
Speaker 2: Them to have a.
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Speaker 1: Have did they double? Down?
Speaker 8: Yeah they continue talking about it as if.
Speaker 7: They're they had they have moral clarity on.
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Speaker 1: America i'm, Here, hewitt back inside The, belway just in
Speaker 1: time for storms will rock your. Teeth i'm joined by
Speaker 1: The foundation for The Defensive democracy senior Fellow ben And Ben.
Speaker 1: Tellablue he's been on. Before he is an expert on
Speaker 1: The iran missile program and on all Things Iran. America benam,
Speaker 1: and welcome. BACK i don't know if you heard The
Speaker 1: president's press. Conference they've been playing a lot of. It,
Speaker 1: first your assessment where we stand On monday afternoon in
Speaker 1: our war With.
Speaker 10: Iran, well great to be with you again. Here always
Speaker 10: a pleasure. LISTEN i think militarily things are looking. Up
Speaker 10: there's some real questions right now as to what will
Speaker 10: THE us do in this trait of horror. Moves in,
Speaker 10: fact the maritime domain is really the area that has
Speaker 10: the eyes of everyone from markets to moneymakers to. Policymakers
Speaker 10: that's WHERE i think The president may be looking to
Speaker 10: get a military wind to begin to be able to
Speaker 10: push away from the. TABLE i certainly think it's, doable
Speaker 10: but nonetheless it's, costly it's. Risky BUT i think the
Speaker 10: more the regime, escalates the more they kind of use
Speaker 10: a sort Of damicle's approach to ships entering and exiting
Speaker 10: The persian golf as they have been just hours, ago
Speaker 10: checking the insurance and the shipping and the flagging and
Speaker 10: the registry of all the ships that are coming and.
Speaker 10: Going that is something that we cannot allow to. Happen
Speaker 10: we cannot allow the world's foremost state sponsor of terrorism
Speaker 10: to basically have a veto over who gets to use
Speaker 10: and cross the straight up horm. Moves so at all,
Speaker 10: LIKELIHOOD i think things are looking likely to escalate in
Speaker 10: the next.
Speaker 1: WEEK i think you're. Right oil is at ninety four
Speaker 1: dollars a barrel right, now down From fridays one hundred
Speaker 1: dollars a barrel AS i think the world oil markets
Speaker 1: begin to recognize That Saudi arabia has got a pipeline
Speaker 1: as an. ALTERNATIVE eae, Doesn't kuwait, doesn't but The saudi
Speaker 1: is Doing they can offset a lot of the oil
Speaker 1: that doesn't make it through. Straight BUT i also believe
Speaker 1: That i've heard so many naval Experts i'm as, civilian
Speaker 1: But i've got family in The, navy family in the.
Speaker 1: Fight i've got lots of experts On this has been
Speaker 1: gamed out for a long. Time. Beat it's not like
Speaker 1: anyone is surprised That iran is trying.
Speaker 10: This, Yeah and in, Fact i'm surprised that the number
Speaker 10: of experts and policymakers that are trying to hold The
Speaker 10: trump administration to account here saying that THE us is fundamentally.
Speaker 10: UNPREPARED i, mean there may be a criticism to, level given,
Speaker 10: force posture and time and political risks, involved but given
Speaker 10: the fact that THE us quite literally did this before
Speaker 10: in the nineteen, eighties and given that the job of
Speaker 10: The pentagon is to, plan and given even that The
Speaker 10: obama administration was able to keep two carriers inside The
Speaker 10: Persian gulf at times and be able to thwart and
Speaker 10: push back on the threats to actually close this, strait
Speaker 10: and that The trump administration in term one dealt with
Speaker 10: things like limpet mind attacks as well as later on
Speaker 10: drone attacks and drone, buzzing this was a surprise to literally.
Speaker 10: Nobody and given the job of The pentagon being to,
Speaker 10: PLAY i actually think our men and women in uniform
Speaker 10: will have quite a few tricks up their sleeve if
Speaker 10: they're given the time in the space to pull them.
Speaker 1: Out, So, BEN i want to play for you a
Speaker 1: little bit of As. Decline and Now i've Known ezra
Speaker 1: for almost forty, years maybe thirty five, years because he
Speaker 1: was in elementary school with my, daughter and SO i
Speaker 1: know him as the Surfing santa from the seventh grade.
Speaker 1: Play So i've always tried to get that out of
Speaker 1: my mind because he's done well for. Himself he very,
Speaker 1: articulate hasn't ever held a classified, job has never been
Speaker 1: in national security, work so he kind of make it
Speaker 1: up as he goes. Along but today's, podcast well it
Speaker 1: began this, way play it for benan PLACE.
Speaker 9: I found myself struggling to describe the War President trump
Speaker 9: has chosen to enter into With, iran the strange lightness
Speaker 9: with which he seems to have chosen.
Speaker 2: This stay, sheltered don't leave your. Home it's very dangerous.
Speaker 2: Outside bombs we'll be dropping every.
Speaker 9: WHERE i would say the war's spiraling out of, control
Speaker 9: but there's never a real pretense in that it was under.
Speaker 9: CONTROL i find it hard to Say trump's plan for
Speaker 9: the worst failing because it is not clear there was
Speaker 9: any plan at.
Speaker 1: All all, right let's stop right. There these are. Cliches
Speaker 1: these are words strung together to Critique Donald, trump and
Speaker 1: they're all manifestly. FALSE i don't call them a lie
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i think Probably ezra believes, them but he doesn't
Speaker 1: know anything about the, military and he doesn't know anything
Speaker 1: that we've done about. Them what's your commentary On Ezra klein's.
Speaker 10: Commentary, well, actually the funny thing about this conflict is
Speaker 10: that if you have a, rationale you can take your.
Speaker 10: Rationale it's kind of Like. Obamacare if you like your,
Speaker 10: provider you can keep your. Provider or allegedly that's what
Speaker 10: the administration used to say back in the. Day if
Speaker 10: this is a human rights driven mission for, you well
Speaker 10: this is a mission against the. Regime if this is counter,
Speaker 10: proliferation well it's about stopping the world's states cons of
Speaker 10: terrorism from getting nuclear. Weapons if it's about defanging and
Speaker 10: leveling the playing, field well certainly there's an opportunity there
Speaker 10: against the regimes missile and military. Apparatus and if it's
Speaker 10: about freedom of navigation, economics well then there's a rationale
Speaker 10: for you to support what THE us is doing in
Speaker 10: the straight up home moves and in The Persian. Gulf
Speaker 10: so there's multiple, rationales multiple pathways that get you to
Speaker 10: The president being willing and able to pull the trigger
Speaker 10: to deal with this urgent national security challenge unlike his.
Speaker 10: Predecessors and WHILE i do agree that mores can easily
Speaker 10: spiral out of, control and that is one of the
Speaker 10: things that The Islamic republic is playing up and is playing,
Speaker 10: towards it's the goal of the more responsible power to
Speaker 10: be able to, escalate not, incrementally but, significantly to show
Speaker 10: that time is not a weapon on the side of the.
Speaker 10: Adversary it is on the side of THE us and
Speaker 10: it's partners and. Allies and ultimately here the fact That
Speaker 10: President trump is flexible offers, audiences like audiences in The
Speaker 10: New York, times more app pathways to an off ramp
Speaker 10: to exiting the common inflict than actually doubling down and
Speaker 10: staying within the. Conflict so the lack of a clearly
Speaker 10: defined end. State if you are a Classic New York
Speaker 10: times view or a listener and you want, less not
Speaker 10: more conflict Than Middle, east that should be music to
Speaker 10: your ears as far As i'm. Concerned if you're like,
Speaker 10: me and you have a clear stated end, goal and
Speaker 10: you want The president to double down and triple down
Speaker 10: to make sure that we can actually check every single
Speaker 10: box rather than just one of those military missions THAT
Speaker 10: i laid. Out, well then you're actually going to be
Speaker 10: a little bit. Critical So i'm a little bit puzzled
Speaker 10: by the criticism of the flexible approach The president has
Speaker 10: taken here by the likes of summ of The New York.
Speaker 1: Times i'm not puzzled only because it's what they. Do
Speaker 1: BUT i want to try now to forget all the
Speaker 1: idiocy and articulate What John, wooden who you're too younger,
Speaker 1: member used to call the pyramid of, success and you
Speaker 1: start at the bottom and you build to the. Top
Speaker 1: the very bottom of the pyramid of success here is to,
Speaker 1: me the elimination of any nuclear weapons production. Ability President
Speaker 1: trump obliterated. It they began to rebuild. It he's obliterated it,
Speaker 1: again along with the help Of. ISRAEL i haven't seen
Speaker 1: much report of what THE b twos have been. HITTING
Speaker 1: i hope they Hit Pickaxe. Mountain but that is the
Speaker 1: most important bottom of the. Pyramid nothing else. Matters if
Speaker 1: that isn't done how do you assess the success on, That, Benham.
Speaker 10: Well we have two outstanding questions when it comes to
Speaker 10: the base of your. Pyramid and you know if this regime,
Speaker 10: survives and you know if there is even what our
Speaker 10: office is calling a phase two AT, fdd which is
Speaker 10: the potential to nest a larger mission against the security
Speaker 10: forces following a larger mission to defang this. Regime if
Speaker 10: that is your goal right, now if you don't properly
Speaker 10: get rid of all of the nuclear capacity and, capability
Speaker 10: well then you will have something like a Middle Eastern
Speaker 10: North korea on your hands as you move closer and
Speaker 10: closer to dealing a death blow against this. Regime so
Speaker 10: the two things that you're looking for in my, view
Speaker 10: to make sure the pyramid has a, long flat rather
Speaker 10: than a, narrow pointy base is to make sure that
Speaker 10: one the fissile, material meaning the four hundred plus a
Speaker 10: kilograms of sixty percent, uranium is actually not on a running,
Speaker 10: territory whether that's destroyed or actually confiscated in some special
Speaker 10: forces mission.
Speaker 3: That is A.
Speaker 10: Tbd but perhaps equally important is to Destroy Pickaxe, mountain
Speaker 10: either again with explosive charges inside or potentially something covert
Speaker 10: and sabotage inside or with air power from the. Outside you,
Speaker 10: know the regime maybe doubling down and digging a deeper
Speaker 10: hole in the, ground but they should always Remember Uncle
Speaker 10: sam has a bigger. Bomb so the success of the
Speaker 10: counter proliferation mission against the regime's future nuclear capacity rests
Speaker 10: in dealing With Pickaxe mountain and getting rid of the fysile.
Speaker 10: Material thus, far we haven't seen a movement towards that
Speaker 10: yet because the next layer of the pyramid has been
Speaker 10: the priority target for the administration and that's been defanging
Speaker 10: the regime's missile.
Speaker 1: Program. Yeah on the second level of the, pyramid it's
Speaker 1: the destruction of the defense of the nuclear, program and
Speaker 1: that destruction of the defenses is the missile arsenal about
Speaker 1: which you are. Expert how do you view part, two
Speaker 1: step two of the pyramid going because if it, remains
Speaker 1: it can be expanded and they can defend that enriched,
Speaker 1: uranium they can defend Piac Matc. Mountain they can do
Speaker 1: this all again times ten unless we destroy their production.
Speaker 10: Capacity, yeah the beating heart Of iran's ballistic missile production
Speaker 10: was struck during THESE us operations in the past two
Speaker 10: two and a half, weeks and that is anywhere from
Speaker 10: three to five, sites but in Particular hojir Shah, rude Sem,
Speaker 10: Non parchin And. Esfahan these are at least five, facilities
Speaker 10: the first Three, hojiir Shah rude And parchin that matter
Speaker 10: greatly to solid propellant, production motor, development, casting and things
Speaker 10: needed to actually produce and field ballistic. Missile and ballistic
Speaker 10: missiles form the backbone of the regime's policy of det by.
Speaker 10: Punishment so Unlike America, israel The Arab states of The Persian,
Speaker 10: Gulf iran doesn't have robust air and missile defenses that
Speaker 10: can defend. It the way it defends, itself the way
Speaker 10: defends its, regime the way defends its territory is the
Speaker 10: threat of, punishment and the main tool of that punishment
Speaker 10: right now is this arsenal of ballistic missiles about eighty
Speaker 10: to ninety percent of the fire which has been suppressed
Speaker 10: by THE. US i, believe, however we are in a
Speaker 10: position of what political scientists call, equifinality which is many
Speaker 10: reasons why the regimes fire is. Suppressed one is the
Speaker 10: success of the launcher, mission and two is the regime
Speaker 10: actually holding a few capabilities for survival.
Speaker 1: Purposes let him stand. By we're going to come back
Speaker 1: with part two of our pyramid of success Against iran
Speaker 1: with benham right after these messages on The Hugh Hewitt, Show.
Speaker 5: Welcome back To.
Speaker 1: America I'm HUGH Hewittt ben And Ben talablu is with.
Speaker 1: Me he is from The foundation for The defense Of.
Speaker 1: Democracy follow at REAL BENMBT x Benemon tier one that we.
Speaker 1: Discussed we are winning, decisively but we have not yet
Speaker 1: won a decisive win on tier, two which is the.
Speaker 1: Missiles and you've named the five. Facilities are we fifty
Speaker 1: percent of the way? There seventy? Percent how do you
Speaker 1: judge it FROM afar.
Speaker 10: Based on commercially available satellite imagery, imagery you know you
Speaker 10: could top it off at about eighty plus. Percent, again
Speaker 10: this is the back of the envelope. Calculation but you
Speaker 10: need to marry the eighty two of the eighty plus
Speaker 10: percent with the actual subterranean facilities that house what's left
Speaker 10: Of iran's missiles And iran's. Launchers and if you look
Speaker 10: At iran's geography and you look at where missiles have
Speaker 10: been fired from, before and you layer on top of
Speaker 10: that commercially available satellite, imagery you get at least four
Speaker 10: chains of, bases a, western a, central an, eastern and
Speaker 10: a southern. Coastal knowing what we know about known or
Speaker 10: declared or Revealed iranian subterranean missile, bases many though not,
Speaker 10: all of which are connected underground to each, other there
Speaker 10: are anywhere from nineteen to twenty two that need to be.
Speaker 10: STRUCK i think there is evidence for anywhere from seventeen
Speaker 10: to twenty that The trump, administration again using commercially available
Speaker 10: to satellite, imagery has been able to. Strike we cannot
Speaker 10: guarantee or verify one hundred percent of, those nor CAN
Speaker 10: i tell you from this distance how damage they. Are
Speaker 10: but my logic, is AND i wrote this before the,
Speaker 10: war rather than defend just against the, missile and rather
Speaker 10: than target just the, launcher you need to collapse the
Speaker 10: facility that houses both the launcher and the missiles and
Speaker 10: take that as a capability off of the playing field
Speaker 10: and then move towards. Capacity that seems to be in
Speaker 10: slow motion what The trump administration is. Doing BUT i
Speaker 10: will say the bulk of the air, power given how
Speaker 10: MUCH isr we, have is being used to target those missile,
Speaker 10: launchers and that's why you see sencom putting out so
Speaker 10: many videos targeting those launchers which are out of their
Speaker 10: bases and in different areas than ever.
Speaker 1: Before level of the pyramid success is command and. Control
Speaker 1: but for both their missile and their. Navy those are
Speaker 1: the two arms of The iranian military that can threaten
Speaker 1: the international. Community their, navy it's been. SUNK i would
Speaker 1: say we are almost at one hundred percent success there
Speaker 1: and the command and control structure for their. Country what
Speaker 1: do you think about? That you, know this.
Speaker 10: Is a state that is not aspiring to be A
Speaker 10: scandinavian welfare state that can actually provide for the means
Speaker 10: of its own. People, unfortunately these are guys that are
Speaker 10: okay being king of the, heap king of the garbage
Speaker 10: dump it in so many, ways they may make you
Speaker 10: burn through the country to get. Them and even if
Speaker 10: we before the, conflict before The Twelve Day, war even
Speaker 10: this was a regime that was sliding towards bringing you
Speaker 10: on into failed state status, anyway and in that, situation
Speaker 10: given the fact That, kammende who was eighty six before
Speaker 10: and now is, deceased wasn't guiding every single, missile wasn't
Speaker 10: choosing every single, target even though he was intimately involved
Speaker 10: in broader national security decisions in that. Country it's highly
Speaker 10: likely you have a, decentralized almost zombie national security deep
Speaker 10: state choosing their, targets which is why they've thrice fired
Speaker 10: AT nato Ally, turkey why they've continued to fire At
Speaker 10: qatar and The omanis in The Persian gulf and even
Speaker 10: Targeted Azerbai john. Withrown so you have a zombie state
Speaker 10: kind of that is, decentralized that doesn't have command and,
Speaker 10: control which is kind of forcing you to go after
Speaker 10: all of these units provincially to suppress and defeat.
Speaker 1: Them all, Right so the penultimate level of the pyramid
Speaker 1: success is to degrade the besiege so they cannot massacre
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of. People, again The israelis have been
Speaker 1: intent on doing. This there's really no way to make
Speaker 1: an educated guess about what percentage has been. Destroyed but
Speaker 1: there are reports of defections and dismay among the. Ranks
Speaker 1: what do you make of?
Speaker 10: That, again you're, right this stuff is largely. Anecdotal but
Speaker 10: over that would say the past three to five, days these,
Speaker 10: rallies based on publicly reported, information have been going against
Speaker 10: law enforcement forces and besiege. Facilities we know that in
Speaker 10: the past areas where compounds and barracks have been, bombed
Speaker 10: some of these security forces have put up. Tents then
Speaker 10: these rallies have strayed the. Tents we know areas where
Speaker 10: barracks and compounds have been bombed AND iergc folks went
Speaker 10: into soccer, stadiums particularly on the, periphery not on the,
Speaker 10: field and those peripheries of those stadiums have also been.
Speaker 10: Bombed we also know, that of, course many of these
Speaker 10: pseudo self established besiege and law enforcement checkpoints to prevent
Speaker 10: against traffic flows and to kind of monitor the situation
Speaker 10: on the street have also been. Bombed and we also
Speaker 10: know the regime is putting armored personnel carriers under things
Speaker 10: that give it physical cover to avoid getting, struck things
Speaker 10: like bridges and, tunnels and these rarely still, withdrones seem
Speaker 10: to be able to do. This there's even reports right
Speaker 10: now That iranian dissidents are using The Iranian apps to
Speaker 10: be able to communicate externally with Some israelis to provide live,
Speaker 10: targeting although this report has not been able to be independently,
Speaker 10: confirmed but it does marry with the, zeitgeist of the
Speaker 10: bits and starts of, information and of the willingness of
Speaker 10: Many iranians to be able to benefit from foreign support
Speaker 10: to disable this apparatus of.
Speaker 1: Repression so the very lat at the top is regime
Speaker 1: change or regime coersion to a different kind of regime
Speaker 1: that doesn't threaten its. Neighbors might not be a, democracy
Speaker 1: but it might simply be defanged and new leadership Not
Speaker 1: mula's not theocratic. Fanaticism how close to that do you
Speaker 1: think we?
Speaker 10: Are, WELL i actually do not believe in the theory
Speaker 10: of regime. Evolution. Here this is The Middle, east meaning
Speaker 10: things can get, worse not, better and indeed they. Are
Speaker 10: and if this regime survives the major rounds of, fighting
Speaker 10: get ready for A Middle eastern version Of North korea
Speaker 10: which is more, paranoid more, i more, militarized and more
Speaker 10: team on revenge and rebuilding than ever. Before so the
Speaker 10: success of the defanging mission militarily will necessarily need to
Speaker 10: be nested into a larger counter regime mission that is.
Speaker 10: Political there will be no premature victory lap to be
Speaker 10: had just because of military successes, alone and that's why
Speaker 10: it's imperative The trump administration stopped trying to force A
Speaker 10: venezuela model onto a country who's governing, elite whose military,
Speaker 10: capacity whose, state whose, society whose opposition looks nothing Like venezuela,
Speaker 10: TODAY i don't believe you can actually have. That somewhat
Speaker 10: softer gentler Is Lama. REPUBLIC i do believe here These
Speaker 10: lamach republic is going to force you to play to the,
Speaker 10: edge which is to win and knock out the system,
Speaker 10: altogether or to risk the collapse and potentially move towards
Speaker 10: failed state. Status AND i think in that, Dichotomy Uncle
Speaker 10: sam cannot be. Indifferent it is doing quite well against
Speaker 10: the levels of the pyramid that you have. Raised but
Speaker 10: not one of, THEM i want to, stress not one of,
Speaker 10: them or yet at a n. Percent some of, them
Speaker 10: like the missile, one are quite, close and that is
Speaker 10: an impressive. Achievement but we have to remember this is
Speaker 10: The Middle. East in The Middle, east you can have
Speaker 10: many a military, victory but few have had political. Victory
Speaker 10: and that's why it's imperative to link the way it
Speaker 10: means it ends.
Speaker 1: Here so my last, question is the world better off
Speaker 1: today than it was sixteen days?
Speaker 10: Ago the, world, yes the world in so many. Ways
Speaker 10: given the fact that The islamarco public is firing more
Speaker 10: missiles than, before it's threatening the strait of horror moves
Speaker 10: more than ever. Before it's a measure of how much
Speaker 10: weaker it is than ever. Before and the weaker and
Speaker 10: the more defanged this regime is the net positive it
Speaker 10: will be to its, people to the, region To, america To,
Speaker 10: israel and to the. World but there is no premature
Speaker 10: victory lap to be able to have. YET a weak
Speaker 10: regime can still be, lethal they can still, rebuild and
Speaker 10: to provide oxygen to a regime that will be willing
Speaker 10: to use these weapons more than ever before would be a.
Speaker 10: Mistake so just because things are trending in the right
Speaker 10: direction does mean that in a highly volatile and dynamic battlefield,
Speaker 10: situation we should be taking our eyes and off the
Speaker 10: prize and our hands off the. Wheel that is WHAT
Speaker 10: i would caution at.
Speaker 1: This, moment well, said a, caution well. Advised benam Ben,
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Speaker 13: NO i mean some of them are members of my,
Speaker 13: synagogue BUT i. Haven't, however if this is what you're touching,
Speaker 13: ON i did do a survey after the weekend was,
Speaker 13: over and a granted that was over thirty years, ago
Speaker 13: But i'll tell you about half of the kids weren't
Speaker 13: very happy with the. Weekend and when you think about,
Speaker 13: it it makes some sense because they expected to come
Speaker 13: for a weekend On jewish stuff and have a Kumbah ya.
Speaker 13: Session AND i didn't intentionally set it up to be a.
Speaker 13: Battle that wasn't my. Intention but as you Know dennis very,
Speaker 13: well if he, disagrees he'll make his disagreement, known and he.
Speaker 13: Did and for a lot of these, kids it was
Speaker 13: the first time that they had heard somebody tell them
Speaker 13: that their most deeply, held passionately held feelings beliefs might
Speaker 13: have really bad, consequences and they didn't love hearing that very.
Speaker 1: Much, Now dennis is guiding precept for the thirty five
Speaker 1: Years i've known him as clarity before. Agreement so let's
Speaker 1: make sure we know what we each. Believe then we
Speaker 1: can see if we can agree on something but kudos
Speaker 1: to the. Kids page seventy. Five one of them, Asked,
Speaker 1: dennis why does it have to be biblical, Values why
Speaker 1: can't it just be human. Values what's the answer to, That, joel, alperson.
Speaker 13: Because you're back to what any one person thinks is
Speaker 13: good is, good and what any one person thinks is
Speaker 13: bad is. Bad there were, kids AND i think this
Speaker 13: is noted in the, book, who when questioned if they
Speaker 13: would Challenge hitler if they Thought hitler was, wrong SAID
Speaker 13: i think he's, wrong BUT i don't think i'd have
Speaker 13: the right to say so to. HIM i don't think
Speaker 13: i'd have the right to negate his. Belief and that's
Speaker 13: what happens when it's human. Values human values Is latin
Speaker 13: for any. Values and, again we're living at a. Time i'm, SORRY.
Speaker 1: I, said you're, right any value at all doesn't. Matter
Speaker 1: if you don't if the human, values the next person
Speaker 1: can believe in genocide and you can't argue with. Him.
Speaker 1: JOEL i want to ask about the end of the
Speaker 1: book because we had the attack on the synagogue In
Speaker 1: michigan On. FRIDAY i believe Anti semitism is a result
Speaker 1: of the task for which The jews were. Chosen in
Speaker 1: the words Of Edward, flannery the Imminent catholic priest and,
Speaker 1: historian The jews carry the burden Of god and his
Speaker 1: moral law in. History did you want that, Job?
Speaker 13: Joel there's A talmudic story of The tumult is an
Speaker 13: extensive commentary on The, torah and not surprisingly because it's
Speaker 13: part of The jewish, tradition filled with, debates filled with
Speaker 13: disagreements and back and. Forth but that's one of the
Speaker 13: things that makes it important and. Vital there's a story that,
Speaker 13: says because the mountain apparent in The jews, were according to.
Speaker 10: The hebrew under the, mountain That god held the mountain over.
Speaker 13: Their, heads asking what they wanted to accept their, responsibility
Speaker 13: and so under those circumstances they, Said yet so even
Speaker 13: The torah and the time was recognized this was not.
Speaker 3: Going to be an easy.
Speaker 1: Justice it. Is in, fact the book makes it. Easier
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Speaker 1: You welcome back To. America I'm Hue. Hewett joined By Bethany.
Speaker 1: Mandel she is the founder of the Mom wars dot
Speaker 1: substack dot Com she also sent me To Lahav harkov last.
Speaker 1: Week had a good time With. LHAV i hope you heard, That.
Speaker 1: BETHANY i did.
Speaker 12: Not it didn't make its way to. ME i heard
Speaker 12: that it, happened BUT i did not read and.
Speaker 1: Listen, well thank you for the, recommendation Beth. Andy, FIRST
Speaker 1: i was listening to The commentary podcast Today i'm with your.
Speaker 1: Husband seth is a, member and he said that you're
Speaker 1: all very psyched about The Super mario movie when it comes,
Speaker 1: out but nothing. Else is that an accurate representation in
Speaker 1: The mandel.
Speaker 12: Household so you are the second person to quote the
Speaker 12: commentary magazine podcast me in the last fifteen, minutes AND
Speaker 12: i have not listened to it. YET i do not
Speaker 12: include myself in The mandel hype Over Super, mario but,
Speaker 12: YES i think they are all pretty.
Speaker 1: Hyped. Well the REASON i bring it up is Because
Speaker 1: John podhortz laid out some statistics on the decline in
Speaker 1: movie going from two thousand to twenty twenty to, today
Speaker 1: and it's a precipitous. Decline Fetching Missus shutt AND i
Speaker 1: used to do two movies a, week even when we had.
Speaker 1: Kids we were two movies a. Week, people one hundred
Speaker 1: is a. Year how many movies a year do you?
Speaker 5: SEE i see?
Speaker 12: Zero unless yeah zero seth usually, once maybe. Twice but
Speaker 12: he's bringing all six kids to this next, one and that's.
Speaker 7: Going to be over a hundred.
Speaker 1: Bucks oh, Yes, Oh i've taken my grandkids to see
Speaker 1: Terrible disney movies and it is one hundred. Bucks but
Speaker 1: the point, being are you going because not going because
Speaker 1: of cost or not going because of? Quality nothing there
Speaker 1: that interests.
Speaker 12: You SO i am a terrible millennial AND i don't
Speaker 12: really want to sit through two and a half hours
Speaker 12: WHERE i can't check my. Phone If i'm just being,
Speaker 12: HONEST i lose.
Speaker 1: Attention you're a Jen. Alpha all, right here's A i'm
Speaker 1: going to switch you to the war. Now Ezra, klein
Speaker 1: who was the Surfing santa in the seventh grade musical
Speaker 1: at my daughter's. School So i've Always i've Known ezra,
Speaker 1: forever But i've known him as a, kid so it's
Speaker 1: hard for me to take him, seriously even though he's
Speaker 1: done very well for. Himself here's the opening Of ezra's
Speaker 1: podcast For The New York. Times.
Speaker 9: TODAY i found myself struggling to describe the War President
Speaker 9: trumps chosen to enter into With, iran the strange lightness
Speaker 9: with which he seems to have chosen.
Speaker 2: This stay, sheltered don't leave your. Home it's very dangerous.
Speaker 2: Outside bombs will be dropping.
Speaker 9: EVERYWHERE i would say the war's spiraling out of, control
Speaker 9: but there's never a real pretense in that it was under.
Speaker 9: CONTROL i find it hard to Say trump's plan for
Speaker 9: the war'st failing because it is not clear there was any.
Speaker 3: PLAN i don't like to.
Speaker 1: Have bethany it's, defeatist, demoralizing clop trap and as it
Speaker 1: was a smart, GUY i.
Speaker 12: Record that from a bomb.
Speaker 3: SHELTER i don't.
Speaker 1: Know it's absolutely, absurd but there. Is And Noah rothman
Speaker 1: gets very exercised about the defeatism demoralization campaign underway and elite,
Speaker 1: media and it doesn't affect the fact that we're winning,
Speaker 1: decisively and that's the. Story we are Crushing. Iran why
Speaker 1: doesn't the left want to say that.
Speaker 12: They don't want to give In trump the W but,
Speaker 12: conversely why Is President trump not out there doing victory laps, left,
Speaker 12: right up and. Down he's bothered By President trump's. TONE
Speaker 12: i want to hear more of. IT i want to
Speaker 12: see The buroll footage of THE b two bomber flying,
Speaker 12: over AND i want to see, explosions AND i want
Speaker 12: to see we killed so and so, today we killed
Speaker 12: so and so last. Week just a reminder on day,
Speaker 12: one we killed The. Iatola the idea that there's no
Speaker 12: plan and that we've achieved nothing is. Ludicrous on its,
Speaker 12: face it is, ludicrous but it's everywhere on the, left
Speaker 12: and it marks the first time in my.
Speaker 1: Life i'm seventy years. Old i've been through a lot of,
Speaker 1: wars a lot of, combat some of them, short some
Speaker 1: of them. Long this is the most decisive opening of any,
Speaker 1: conflict Including Desert, one where it was over in one hundred.
Speaker 1: Hours this doesn't have any casualties on the. Ground it
Speaker 1: has seven to twelve Dead, americans which is. Tragic no
Speaker 1: casualties from ground trips as happened In Desert. One So
Speaker 1: i'm just thinking to, myself these people don't know history
Speaker 1: or they simply don't care about, Facts AND i think
Speaker 1: it's probably.
Speaker 12: BOTH i think it's, both BUT i think that they're
Speaker 12: actively rooting against The United states victory Because america winning
Speaker 12: Is President trump, winning and it reminds me of The
Speaker 12: Rush limbaugh quote from When Barack obama became president and he,
Speaker 12: Said i'd love nothing more than for him to succeed
Speaker 12: because his success Is america's. Success that's what they should be,
Speaker 12: saying and that's what they should be signaling to the,
Speaker 12: world is that they're still rooting For. America they're very clearly.
Speaker 1: Not they're clearly. Not, now if you were a leftist
Speaker 1: and you wanted to be, responsible you might say something,
Speaker 1: like there's no denying that The american military is, awesome
Speaker 1: that The iranians are only to get Off yosemite sam
Speaker 1: shooting in every, direction hitting all of our. Allies they've
Speaker 1: killed a couple of dozen people with thousands of missile and.
Speaker 1: Drones they're not very good at their command structure, shattered
Speaker 1: but they're not dead yet and they might hang. On
Speaker 1: so we should either keep it, up double it, up
Speaker 1: or set terms for which are reasonable for them to.
Speaker 1: Concede but this idea that we're not winning and there
Speaker 1: was no? Plan did they not know anybody in The,
Speaker 1: pentagon anyone in the. Military do you not know how
Speaker 1: planned this?
Speaker 2: Is this?
Speaker 1: Is this is fourteen pages of.
Speaker 12: Targets can you imagine what these people would have been
Speaker 12: like in nineteen forty. Two, oh like the stamina that
Speaker 12: they don't make it a.
Speaker 1: Month they'd be Learning. Japanese they really surrender, monkeys we
Speaker 1: would have called. Them AND i think it is a
Speaker 1: disease AND i don't know how the country recovers from.
Speaker 1: IT i also, think by the, way if it was
Speaker 1: a democratic, president they'd be all for, it and they
Speaker 1: would be saying they would be reporting the. Truth but
Speaker 1: ezra is the most responsible of the least. Responsible does
Speaker 1: that make?
Speaker 12: Sense, yes absolutely, Does AND i agree with. You but
Speaker 12: this is that we're on the sixth anniversary OF covid right,
Speaker 12: now when we're finally delving into now it can be
Speaker 12: said territory with, like oh maybe school closures were, Bad
Speaker 12: oh maybe cloth masks were. Stupid we're going to get
Speaker 12: there with this war in six, years.
Speaker 1: You mean six years from, now we will recognize. It it
Speaker 1: was a strategic and tactical. Success in, fact If cuba,
Speaker 1: Falls venezuela, falls And iran is, defanged do you Think
Speaker 1: trump goes down among the greatest wartime? Presidents how does he?
Speaker 12: Not how does he? Not, meanwhile In, venezuela they raised
Speaker 12: The american flag at The American embassy.
Speaker 1: Yesterday but that's, symbolic that's. Great you know they HAVEN'T
Speaker 1: i know they're trying very hard to look not look
Speaker 1: At cuba In. Venezuela they're trying not hard not to
Speaker 1: look at How china has lost decisively in the last two.
Speaker 1: Weeks But beth And, MANDEL i know you will be
Speaker 1: covering it in The momwords dot substack dot. COM i
Speaker 1: do want to thank you for love Of. Harkov that
Speaker 1: was a great interview and we'll talk again next. Week Sahan,
Speaker 1: mandel thank. You don't go Anywhere. America i'm. Here hewett