1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Maduro is finished. Debbie de Seuza says, what's happening in 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Venezuela right now is unlike anything that she's seen happen 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: since she left that country of her birth. 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 2: He wasn't even born in Venezuela. This man is Colombian, 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: He's from Colombia. I didn't know that he demolished that country. 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: I mean he actually he fractured it. He cost so 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: much division. He took down statues of the Venezuelan founders 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: that had any European blood. 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: But when I saw what happened in Venezuela over the weekend, 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: you were one of the first people I texted and 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: I said, all right, talk to me, what's going on here? 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: Because I immediately felt, yes, blow the boats out of 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: the water, Yes, blow up the ports where the drugs 14 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: are being loaded. But do we want to take a 15 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: military some sort of military action in Venezuela. Once we 16 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: found out how smoothly it went and how smart it was, 17 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: I'm on board. But what were your initial thoughts when 18 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: you saw your homeland, the country where you're from, under 19 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: attacked by the United States and Maduro and his wife 20 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: were in custody. 21 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I want to say that Trump 22 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: is my hero. Let me get that out first and foremost. 23 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: I literally have been wanting this man out of Venezuela 24 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 2: for a very long over a decade. When he when 25 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: he decided to take the reins after Uachav has died. 26 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: You know, he wasn't even supposed to be president, you know, 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 2: Set aside the fact that since two thousand and four 28 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: Venezuela has used fraudulent machines to switch the votes. Set 29 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: that aside. He wasn't even born in Venezuela. This man 30 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: is Colombian. He's from Colombia. 31 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. 32 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: Yes, and so he's not in the constitution of Venezuela, 33 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: which of course UGA Chav has changed, you know, to 34 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: his enjoyment. You are not supposed to be born anywhere 35 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: else but Venezuela. You're supposed to be a Venezuelan citizen 36 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: by birth to be president of that country, and and 37 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: he was not. So so that that was first and foremost. 38 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: Second, Well, Debbie, I gotta let me stop you, Okay, 39 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: So he becomes the president. Although you feel he's illegitimate, 40 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: what you just said makes perfect sense. We have the 41 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: same provision in our constitution, you got to be a 42 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: natural born citizen. So how did it happen? How is 43 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: it that he was the heir apparent to Javez? 44 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: Because Ugo Chaves did so many things that were against 45 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: the constitution. He stacked the Supreme Court. He he changed 46 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: many articles of the Constitution himself along with the Supreme 47 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: Court that sanctioned it. He did so many things that 48 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 2: were just so oh, just so antithetical to what to 49 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: what Venezuela used to be. And and he he he 50 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: demolished that country. I mean he he actually he fractured it. 51 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 2: He coused so much division. He took down status choose 52 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: of of the Venezuelan founders that had any European blood. 53 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: Uh did that sound familiar? 54 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: She does? 55 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: Uh. He caused he caused a lot of division, not 56 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 2: just you know, racially, which which was very very purposeful 57 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: on his part, right as he wanted to demonize the 58 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: white person in Venezuela, but he also caused a rift 59 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: between the people that that had wealth and the people 60 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: that didn't. The entrepreneurs, the people that had you know, 61 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: farms and and uh industry and you know, stores and 62 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: all kinds of entrepreneurs in Venezuela were absolutely crushed and 63 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: eight million people left Venezuela. 64 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: Wow, well, Debbie, you're making a sound again. It is 65 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: Debbie de Suzi. You can go check out the latest 66 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: movie with debbian Denesh. She's of course a producer with 67 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: Desuza Media. Uh The Dragons prophecyfilm dot com. The Dragons 68 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: prophecyfilm dot Com. Go and check that out. So let 69 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: me ask you because it sounds a lot like what 70 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: Obama did. Obama divided us and conquered us. Let's let's 71 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: separate the whites from the blacks, from the Hispanics from 72 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: the American Indians, Let's separate everybody. Let's separate the poor 73 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: from the rich. Everybody hates everybody, Now I can control 74 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: them better. Is that what the game was with Chavez? 75 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: That is exactly what it was. And he basically what 76 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: he did was you know, one of the things that 77 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 2: Trump said is that he's going to get the oil back, right, 78 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: He's going to get what was taken from us when 79 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: I was born in Venezuela in nineteen sixty six. Yes, 80 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: I'm aging myself here, but we're the same age. 81 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: Why do you look so much better? We're exactly the 82 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: same age. Stop it, I'm actually having. 83 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: I'm having a birthday on Saturday, a happy birthday. Whoo. 84 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: So when you were when you were born there, you 85 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: were telling me that it was a very different country. 86 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: It was a very different country. And let me tell you, 87 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: the American oil companies that were in Venezuela were there 88 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: because they were able to refine that oil. Venezuela has 89 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: the largest deposit of petroleum in the world. But without refineries, 90 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 2: without being able to refine that oil, it can't do anything. 91 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 2: It's too thick, right, So American oil companies went in 92 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: there and they just they established a wonderful oil industry 93 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: down there. And not only was Venezuela able to prosper 94 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: because of it, but so As America. Gas prices were 95 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: really low in those days because they were able to 96 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 2: do that. And when Uga Chavas took off his he 97 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: nationalized the oil industry in Venezuela and he kicked out 98 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: all of the oil companies that were in Venezuela. And 99 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: so what happened was they weren't able to refine their 100 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: oil anymore. So they had to get Iran to help them. 101 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: So Iran, Russia, China, they all came in and wouldn't 102 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: you know it, Their interests, of course, were not h 103 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: not very Let's let's just say they were a little nefarious. Yeah, So, 104 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 2: so Venezuela started going downhill really quickly after Chavez took over. 105 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: I think this is. 106 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: Really important, Debbie. I want you to to stay on 107 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: this for a second. It's Debbie Desusa. This is really 108 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: really important because this is why this this raid, this attack, 109 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: this military operation to get Chavez and his wife now 110 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: a Maduro and his wife. This is why it was 111 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: so important. It was so important because it is America. First, 112 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: they stole those companies, they stole those refineries, they stole 113 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: that oil that was being leased by the American companies 114 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: and just took it. Javi said it's mine now, and 115 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: then they couldn't even operate it. Then they had to 116 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: bring in the bad guys from far away who hate 117 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: us into this hemisphere to challenge us. So when Trump 118 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: says we're gonna get the oil companies involved, I think 119 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: his messaging can be better because the people of America go, well, 120 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: wait a second, this was about oil. No, this was 121 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: about getting back what was rightfully ours already. So I 122 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: mean if you don't mind expand upon that, Am I 123 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: right that that's what he was doing, and that this 124 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: is in fact America. 125 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: First absolutely, not only is it like is it a 126 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: win win for Venezuela and America, but for the Western hemisphere. Right, 127 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: These people were bad players. And I'll get this. Once 128 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: the Venezuelan government wasn't able to make a lot of 129 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 2: money off of the oil like they did before, they 130 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: had to go into narco trafficking. So that's where the 131 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: narco trafficking comes in. That's how that's how Maduda was 132 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: able to make his millions, his billions is through drugs. 133 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: And so his blah has training camps in Venezuela not 134 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: just for a drug trade, but also because they really 135 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: wanted to have Venezuela be that landing grant, that that 136 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 2: landing pad for missiles. They were I mean in two 137 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: thousand and four, Uga Chavis was actually you know, talking 138 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: to Iran because they wanted Iran to go to Venezuela 139 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: and and do and make missiles there. And so of 140 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: course Venezuela became a huge problem for America because not 141 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: only was it was it going to house the Iranian 142 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: nuclear program, but it had it had all the drug 143 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: trade going through there. Uh. Not only that, but my 144 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: Ludo established gangs. Uh did you know that nanda Agua 145 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 2: was actually made by Ua Chavis. He's the one that 146 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: created it. So so he you know, So he was 147 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: just a really bad guy. I mean Trump is a genius, 148 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 2: a little genius to be able to take him out 149 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: like like he did without having boots on the ground, 150 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 2: just going in out, boom done. But I will say 151 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: this as happy as I am that my ludo is out. 152 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: The person that is VP right now took a hold 153 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: of that country. She was sworn in as president about 154 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: two days ago, and she is bad news. So Venezuela 155 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: is not completely free. They still have a large number 156 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 2: of Chavista's in office right now, including this woman. And 157 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: so so it's not it's not one hundred percent like happy. 158 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, well it couldn't happen. It couldn't happen with 159 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: a snap of the fingers though, either. So I want 160 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 1: to ask you about this because I think that you 161 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: would know what do you do going forward? The election 162 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: that happened in twenty twenty four, outside observers came in 163 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: and said the other guy won by seventy percent to 164 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: thirty over Maduro. I mean, Maduro did not win the 165 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: last election. He said, screw you, I'm going to stay 166 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: in and he's somehow jockeying with the machines or whatever 167 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: it was, and then he showed himself as the winner. 168 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: He wasn't the winner. You know that. I know that 169 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: the whole world knows that. Shouldn't that person be the 170 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: one that gets installed or that gets the opportunity to 171 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: be the president because he won the election. This person 172 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: is somebody who was the second and Commanderner Maduro. I 173 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: kind of get the feeling, DeBie that the Trump administration 174 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: is going to say, if you do what we say, 175 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: we'll let you have that position and then take it 176 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: away from her eventually and let the rightful owner or 177 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: have a new election go and take over. So it's 178 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: a long question. But what happens now? What would you 179 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: like to is somebody who's from Venezuela a proud American now, 180 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: but you're from Venezuela. What would you like to see happen? 181 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: Doing an election tomorrow, doing an election in a couple 182 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: of months. I agree with you, the person who's in 183 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: there now should not be the long standing president. 184 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: That's right. I think this is strategic on Rubio and 185 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: Trump's parts because I think the problem is the fact 186 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: that there are just too many Chubvies that's still in office, 187 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: and if they bring in Gonzalez, who's the rightful president 188 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: of Venezuela, too soon a coup could occur because there 189 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: is just that there's not enough opposition, like you know, 190 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: there's whis just not enough of them to be able 191 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: to take control of the government. There's still too many Chavistas. 192 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: So I think what's going to happen is that Trump 193 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: has to make sure that he's able to work with 194 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: the people that are there now so that, as you say, slowly, 195 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: they can boot them out and bring in the opposition 196 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: so that there's no chance of a coup. Ata. I 197 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 2: believe that's what's going to happen. 198 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: Well, I think that you're spot on. It's Debbie de 199 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: seuz A go to the Dragons prophecyfilm dot com. She's 200 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: of course a producer de suez A Media, Danesha's wife 201 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: and from Venezuela. What are the people in Venezuela saying 202 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: the last time you and I spoke, you've got people 203 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: You've got relatives who are still there. Are they dancing 204 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: in the streets? Are we showing it as as live 205 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: and real as we should be showing it in the 206 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: media here? Are they just over the top happy? Are 207 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: there any people in that country who are unhappy about 208 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: Maduro being gone? 209 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: The only people that are unhappy are the Chavistas. To 210 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: be honest, everybody else is super happy. But everyone is 211 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: cautiously optimistic, just as I am. They want to make 212 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 2: sure that that democracy really does take take hold in Venezuela, 213 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: that the rightful president is president of Venezuela, and that slowly, 214 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: you know, Trump can come in and work with the 215 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: oil industry, bring in American oil companies to start doing 216 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: because let me tell you, if that happens, if we 217 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 2: get oil companies back in Venezuela to help lift and 218 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 2: boost the economy of Venezuela, I guarantee you not only 219 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: will Venezuela be great again, but you're going to be 220 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 2: pumping oil here in America. Gas for a dollar fifty 221 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 2: I bet you. 222 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I just I agree. 223 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: So it'll be great for everybody, it really will. But yes, 224 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: they're cautiously optimistic, and I have to tell you a note, 225 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: a sad note. My my aunt, my last living aunt 226 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 2: in Venezuela, passed away two years ago. But I listened 227 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 2: to a voicemail that she left me just Saturday when 228 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: all this happened, and basically she loved Trump so much 229 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 2: she said, she said, Debbie, don't you worry? She said 230 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: this in Spanish. Don't you worry? Trump is? This is 231 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. Trump is going to be president 232 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: again and he's going to take out Maludo. Can you 233 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: believe she said this? 234 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: No, that is amazing. That wasn't even that should be 235 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: a movie. You and Denestion need to make a movie 236 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: just based on that, on that voicemail and then go 237 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: through exactly what happened in Venezuela. That's amazing to sorry 238 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: that you lost her a couple of years ago. Let 239 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: me ask you about what Venezuela was before chav Is, 240 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: before the dictators showed up and started taking all the goods. 241 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: Was it a democracy? Was it a lot like us. 242 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: I've seen videos and pictures. It was a beautiful place 243 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: where people seem to be enjoying their lives. Was it 244 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: a sort of Western culture representative republic like we are 245 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: or not. 246 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 2: It was, It actually was. They have a they had 247 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: a two party system just like we do. It's not 248 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: it's not a parliament, it's an actual you know, they 249 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: have Congress, they have Senate, they have the president, vice president, 250 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: you know, the same. Unfortunately, in a lot of Latin 251 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 2: American countries you have what we call a lot of 252 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 2: like payola or corruption, and so I think in Venezuela 253 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 2: things started going south with a lot of corruption with 254 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: with the right wing party, and so that is what 255 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 2: kind of stirred up the like, Okay, we need a 256 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: new we need a new party because these two parties 257 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: just aren't working for us. And so unfortunately, the center 258 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: right party self destructed and you know, they started in 259 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: fighting and you know the you know, I mean, look 260 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: at the Republican Party, right, I don't have to tell 261 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: you how it's acting. And this is my fear with 262 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: the Republican Party, that we self destruct and we allow 263 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: a third party that gangs up with the Democrats and 264 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: takes over America. I mean, look what happened in New 265 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: York recently. A social communist just became mayor of that city. 266 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: So it can happen. It can happen. It happened there 267 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: in Venezuela, and in fact, so many Venezuelans, including my grandparents, 268 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: had no idea that Ubu Chavis was going to do 269 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: this to the country. I mean they really didn't. 270 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: They tried to get in right. I mean, he lied, 271 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: he said, he basically said he was a man of 272 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: the people, and then he started gobbling up businesses and 273 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: taking good care of everything. It didn't make any sense. 274 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: That's right. He proexpropriated businesses. He went after the Jewish Venezuelans. 275 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: He was very antisemitic. In fact, Hitler was one of 276 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 2: his heroes. So it was it was horrible what he 277 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: did in Venezuela. I mean it really was. He went after, 278 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: he went after businesses. My grandparents lost their land. I mean, 279 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: this man. People have no idea how bad Maduro Chavis 280 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: and then Maludo were of that country. I mean they 281 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: became billionaires off of the dollars that really didn't belong 282 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: to them. They took it from the people, They took 283 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: it from the oil industry, and then later Narco trafficked it. 284 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just what happened on Saturday was really 285 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: a godsend for all of the Western hemisphere. 286 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with you. It is Debbie de Seuz. 287 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: I go to the Dragon's prophecyfilm dot COM's latest film 288 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: and go check out everything that she and Denesh do. 289 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: Let me ask you about the infighting that you just 290 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: mentioned about the Republican Party here. I mean, just a 291 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: little while ago, I was watching den Bongino and Matt 292 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: Gates goo at each other on X I mean, like 293 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: really going at each other. You got Tucker Carlton who 294 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: literally put out a video yesterday or the day before 295 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: and said this could be about gay marriage. Why we 296 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: did this in Venezuela. I don't know if you saw 297 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: this video, but it seemed nuxt to me. He said 298 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: that what if the United States wanted to take up 299 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: Maduro because he's against gay marriage, and now the person 300 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: who's the president is gay marriage. Huh. That's something to 301 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: think about, Debbie. People are saying the dumbest things, and 302 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: they're coming across as very credible, which scares me. So 303 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: your fear about a splintering of the right or conservatism 304 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: or or the MAGA movement or America First is a 305 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: real thing. But as somebody from Venezuela when you hear 306 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: some of these dumb things. What do you think? 307 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, addressing Tucker Carlson, Mavudo was practiced Santhariya. 308 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 2: Do you know what something he is? Well? I do. 309 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 1: I grew up in South Florida. That's where they sacrifice animals. 310 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: Yes, what's devil worship? Okay, he's not a Christian. He's 311 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: not a Christian, so that's number one. Number two, he's 312 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 2: not against gay marriage or gaze or whatever whatever Tucker 313 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 2: was saying. He's definitely not. So I don't know where 314 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: Tucker is getting his information. I do know that Tucker 315 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 2: has been very soft on the Islamic issue lately, and 316 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 2: of course Iran is super mad about what just happened. 317 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: So I don't know if this is kind of a coincidence. 318 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: I have no idea, but yeah, this is This is 319 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: truly disturbing when we have conservatives fighting with each other, 320 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 2: because it really does worry me that the Democrats as 321 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 2: corrupt as they are. I mean, look at Minnesota, right, 322 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: it's horrible, but they are actually not self destructing. They're 323 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 2: actually very united. And what worries me is that a 324 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: lot of people, especially people that are that say they're 325 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: not political, that they you know, they're oh, they're independent, 326 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 2: that they fall for a third party candidate and say, 327 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 2: you know what, I think we need a third party 328 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 2: and it just so happens that that third party lines 329 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 2: itself up with the Democrats. Would that not be horrific? 330 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 2: I mean, we would, we would we would become Venezuela 331 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 2: two point zero if that happened. 332 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: Well, I don't I don't know what people are gaining 333 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: on this side of the pot. I don't know what 334 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: we're We're in a country that won overwhelmingly in twenty 335 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: four for some reason, when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, which 336 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: was disgusting, friend of yours, friend of mine. When that happened, 337 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: people started jocking for position on the right, and they're 338 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: not jocking for position like as a United Front. Hey, 339 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: let's figure out who the de facto leader is going 340 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 1: to be. No, it's I'm right and you're wrong. Marjorie 341 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: Taylor Green says, I'm writing your wrong, says Tucker Carlson. 342 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: Levin says this. Shapiro says the other thing. You've got 343 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: all sorts of people lining up, and we're supposed to 344 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: be at least eighty five to ninety percent aligned, and 345 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: we're not. And you are so spot on when you 346 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: say some other third actor is going to show up 347 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: and say, don't worry about it. I got you all. 348 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: Everybody come over with me, and we're going to be good. 349 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: And then this country's going to look like New York City? 350 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: So what do we do about it? You and Nash 351 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: keep your voices loud, so do I. We're trying to. 352 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: I'm not picking sides. I'll be honest with you. I 353 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: like Meghan, I used to like Tucker. I'm not sure 354 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: what they're doing. Mean, Meghan's doing that? I think right, 355 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: she's sort of down the middle. But you're right, there's 356 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: some sort of Katara is involved. And why are we 357 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: suddenly okay with the lot is lumification of the country. 358 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: What do we do about it? If anything. 359 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 2: We keep doing is we keep telling the truth. I mean, 360 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 2: we keep doing it because you know, otherwise they're going 361 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 2: to have an Ugo chav Is take over America. And 362 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: it's not even unheard of because as I mentioned, look 363 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: at what happened in New York. People fall for it. 364 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: Kids don't understand what socialism is. They really don't get it, 365 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 2: so you know, if the candidate is cool and charismatic, 366 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 2: they're going to go. You know, I think I like him. 367 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 2: I think he's going to be really good for the country, 368 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 2: having no idea that the love of collectivism is literally 369 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: a demise to this country. I mean, we were not 370 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 2: made to be collectivism people. We are individuals here in America, 371 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 2: and individualism is supposed to be celebrated, not collectivism. In Venezuela, 372 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 2: that was one of Uga Chavas great mantrasts collectivism Marxism, 373 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 2: and it's just so so devastating to a country, it is. 374 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: And Mamdani actually said those words in his acceptance speech, 375 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: and then Jews in New York immediately said, oh, we 376 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 1: didn't realize that this guy was this bad. We maybe 377 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: we shouldn't have voted for him. Hopefully it's going to 378 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: be it's hopefully it's going to be some sort of 379 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: a laboratory experiment that they learned from and it never 380 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: happens again. But I'm with you. I have the same fears. 381 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: It's DeBie de Suza, go follow her everywhere. I think 382 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: it's what is it, debor sixty six over. 383 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: On x Ah. 384 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, go go find Debi de Suza and go 385 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: follow her everywhere. Let me ask you about Chavez a Maduro. 386 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: You mentioned something a couple of times. Why were they 387 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: so stupid to believe that Iran or China or Russia 388 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: actually were allies? They're not those countries, especially Iran trying 389 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,719 Speaker 1: to take over the entirety of the Middle East. They 390 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: would love nothing more than to get closer to the 391 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 1: United States and to try to take over the Western Hemisphere. 392 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: Once they were done with with Maduro, they would have 393 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: killed him anyway. He would have been out of the way. 394 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: Why were they so dumb to believe that they were 395 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: an actual player at that table? When that access of 396 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: evil and I think that's who they are. They don't 397 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: care who they have to use. It's like the moo 398 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: Ja Hadeen when Osama bin Laden was getting arms from 399 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: US and fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan. He liked us 400 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: until he didn't, and then he did all he could 401 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: to kill us. Why were they dumb enough to believe 402 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: that they were actually a player at that table? 403 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 2: Well, they were useful idiots, for one. But have you 404 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 2: ever heard of the Red Green Alliance? I mean, it's 405 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: basically the communists and the Islamists together to destroy the West, 406 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 2: that's what it is. And the communists always lose because 407 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 2: the Islamists actually take over. Yes, so I think this 408 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: is what basically happened in Venezuela. The Ugo Chavez and 409 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 2: then Maluro. They were just useful idiots. They had no 410 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: idea that the Islamis once they take over, they're done. 411 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: And I think you can you can even see that 412 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party with the Islamis, the same thing 413 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 2: is happening. Look at Tim Walls. I mean that's an 414 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 2: that's an example of a useful idiot, right, So yeah, 415 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 2: I think that that is that is the problem a 416 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 2: lot of these the left wing. And look at the 417 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 2: same thing happened in Iran. The communists in Iran actually 418 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: helped the the the Ayatola, right, and and then then 419 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 2: what happened after where there are exactly well. 420 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, is there an Islamification of 421 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: Venezuela happening that we don't know about here in the 422 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: United States? Are there enclaves of Sharia law and people 423 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: who are wearing full you know, burkas and headdress and 424 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: everything else? Is that going? As we're singing it in London. 425 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: We're seeing it all over Europe. We're seeing it here 426 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: and enclaves in the United States. Is it happening there? 427 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 2: Not totally. But I will say this, there were a 428 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 2: lot of members in Mabudo's cabinet that were from from Iran, 429 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: so he did. He did have members of Iran in 430 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: his cabinet. I haven't seen too many people, too many 431 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 2: women in burkas or anything like that in Venezuela, but 432 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 2: that doesn't mean it's not happening. I just haven't seen it. 433 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 2: But I do know for a fact that there was 434 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: some Islamis in his cabinet. 435 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: You mentioned this earlier, and I wonder is there still 436 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: a fear among the people of Venezuela to come out 437 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: and actually use their full voices and use freedom of speech. 438 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: The last time you and I spoke, you told me 439 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: about the crews that Maduro had going out there, cutting 440 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: everybody in line to get food for their own families 441 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: and their own selves, killing people if they dared try 442 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: to get food for their family, or overstep or say 443 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: the wrong thing they were eating their pets. Are people 444 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: still sort of in a waiting period going I want 445 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: to say something, but I'm not really sure yet. 446 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. In fact, the Vice President just issued a 447 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 2: warning to anyone that helped the American government chase down 448 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 2: Maruro that they would be in incarcerated. So people are 449 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 2: very afraid right now that that that that's going to happen. 450 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: They're actively looking for for dissenters. So it is a 451 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: it is a real problem right now. This is why 452 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 2: it's so important that we do get somebody in there 453 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: in the government that can that can guard against this. 454 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: It is Debbie de Suz I appreciate the time and 455 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: the access. Are they are they afraid the Maduro somehow 456 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: is going to get away, You're going to get away 457 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: with it in New York and somehow show back up. 458 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: Is that? Is that a real fear amongst them? I 459 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: mean he's been in charge for a long time. He's 460 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: stealing elections, He's the the strong arm that that keeps 461 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: them down and kills their families. I mean, they can't 462 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: just think he's gone right well, they think he. 463 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 2: They think he may not get out of prison, but 464 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 2: they are afraid with all the leftover people in Venezuela 465 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 2: that are just as bad as he is. In fact, 466 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 2: his son is very active in the in the government 467 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 2: as well, So I wouldn't I wouldn't discount that from 468 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: happening unless, of course we go in there and we 469 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: make sure that it doesn't happen. 470 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: Let me finish with this, and I really appreciate you 471 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: taking the time today. Your knowledge is so incredible on 472 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: this and other things as well. It's David Etsuza. When 473 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: you see people like Chuck Schumer who in twenty twenty 474 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: dare Trump to go and get Maduro, now saying you 475 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: can't believe you went and got mdua. This is horrible 476 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: and where nation building, it is blood for oil. And 477 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: you see people like Chris Murphy who said in nineteen 478 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: come Trump can't get Mduro, blah blah, and now today 479 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: he's angry that Trump went and got Mduro. They're claiming 480 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: that you've got to go through Congress, which of course 481 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: you don't. There is no constitutional responsibility for the president 482 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: who's the commander in chief to ask Congress for permission. 483 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: That's just not true. What do you make of these 484 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: people who are high level Democrats who are at the 485 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: on the highest mountain completely contradicting themselves from just a 486 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: few years ago. 487 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. They they hate Trump. They can't 488 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 2: they can't bring themselves to say that they like anything 489 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: that Trump does, So why should this be any different. 490 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 2: They're gonna say what they're gonna say because they have 491 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 2: sus tds right, so they're not going to They're not 492 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: going to hail him as the hero that he is 493 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 2: and that he deserves to be. In fact, my friend 494 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: Maria Coriina Machialdo, who just won the Nobel Peace Prize, 495 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 2: she wants to give him the Nobel Peace Prize because 496 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 2: she is so in awe of what he did, because 497 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: she says that no one else would have been able 498 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 2: to do that, and so she literally wants to give 499 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 2: away her prize that she won to Trump. 500 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: That's amazing. It's Debbie Desuza. Debbie, is there any fear 501 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: that we should take from Cuba saber rattling now or 502 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: Mexico saying that this shouldn't have happened, to the UN 503 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: claiming that we should not have done this, because again, 504 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: if you see what's happening in Venezuela, obviously this was 505 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: the right move and as we talked about earlier, it 506 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: is in fact America first. But is there anything that 507 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: we should worry about from a Cuba or China and 508 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: Russia and Iran now saying how dare you were going 509 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: to go and attack the US? Or did this just 510 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: get them back in line and make them realize, oh, Dan, 511 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: he's back in office. We should we should mess around 512 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: with this guy. 513 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: I think they're scared of Trump, and I think Cuba 514 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 2: is scared of what's coming because Rubio is probably going 515 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 2: to have his sights on Cuba next. 516 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: Well, the Cubans have been a bad guy, a bad actor, 517 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: ninety miles away from US for a long time. But 518 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: with Maduro you had the actual warrants for his arrest 519 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: and his wife's arrest. I think the Cuban leaders should 520 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: just shut up. I mean, I'll be honest with you. 521 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we would love to get Cuba back to 522 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 1: what it was in nineteen fifty eight or whatever. But 523 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: he should probably be quiet right now. 524 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: No, yes, he should. I think he definitely should, because 525 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 2: again I think that Marco Rubio has him, you know, 526 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 2: has him next, and so I think he's worried. And 527 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: I think all of this is just, you know, just 528 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: kind of trying to pander to the other leftists because 529 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: I do think that they're a little concerned, especially the Malas. 530 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: I think the Malas are very concerned because I think 531 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: they're like, oh yeah, I guess maybe we might be next. 532 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: So and I think they have every right to be 533 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: concerned because I think that Trump wants to make things 534 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 2: right in the world. He loves peace, and if people 535 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 2: can't understand that, wow, I think they just need to 536 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 2: be re educated on what peace through strength actually means. 537 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: My favorite part of yesterday was Annan Navarro on the 538 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: View literally having the rest of the View hosts in 539 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: shock as you talked about how great this was, What 540 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: Trump did? I think. I think that was the cherry 541 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: on the on the top of the the of the 542 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: hot Fog Sunday, it is Debbie to SUSA Producer, to 543 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: Susan Media, go to the Dragons prophecyfilm dot Com. 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