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Speaker 2: All right, my friend, let's dive into today's conversation with

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Speaker 2: a very special guest. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back

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Speaker 2: into the Build Different Podcast. As always, we'll be your

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Speaker 2: And we're excited for an incredible conversation with a guy

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Speaker 2: that has impacted me from afar for many years. I've

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Speaker 2: been watching his content and really just seeing him be

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Speaker 2: a conduit and a vessel through which God is channeling

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Speaker 2: messages of hope and encouragement and motivation into the Jesus people.

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Speaker 2: And I get to be the opportunity to be one

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Speaker 2: of them. And his name is Ryan Miller. Ryan is

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Speaker 2: a special guest. He actually just moved here with his wife, Annie,

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Speaker 2: right there in the Franklin, Tennessee area. Made the drive

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Speaker 2: up to Nashville, but he is somebody that God is

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Speaker 2: continuing to use in filmmaking, in the documentary space, podcasting space.

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Speaker 3: He's an evangelist.

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Speaker 2: He's somebody that has a heart for the persecuted church,

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Speaker 2: and a guy that we're going to talk about his

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Speaker 2: debut book, Meek as a Mustang, Finding the Strength to

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Speaker 2: Surrender Your Wild Heart to Jesus. Ryan, my friend, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for joining us today.

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Speaker 1: Honored. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: We're going to have some fun, man. Yeah, we're so

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Speaker 3: glad you came up here.

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Speaker 1: I'm very grateful.

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Speaker 3: I mean it when I say this.

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Speaker 2: You have impacted me from afar just by being faithful

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Speaker 2: and just like daily content creation and just being honest

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Speaker 2: speaking openly about those things, speaking in the lanes of ministry.

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Speaker 2: And really just trying to create a culmination where the

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you though, Ryan, like getting into

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Speaker 2: that you're living kind of the life that you're living

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Speaker 2: now where you're getting to influence and really make an

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Speaker 1: Yes. I love that. I do think I imagine that.

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Speaker 1: what is meaning. And first, what is a man and

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Speaker 1: He goes like, I hold him accountable every week. I said,

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Speaker 1: 10 years ago it was like authors and pastors. Yes. No, like,

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Speaker 1: That's not it anymore. You're right. Like I've never seen

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Speaker 1: someone get mobbed like Bryce Crawford out in public. Right.

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Speaker 1: It's insane. It's insane. And you go and you talk

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but he's the most famous young Christian,

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Speaker 1: And this is a young man who has, I mean,

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Speaker 1: And so I think it's real because how do you,

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Speaker 1: Lord mercifully chopping things in your life that were on

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Speaker 1: the altar will get you to this place of meekness,

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Speaker 1: which really is a wild autonomous prey animal giving a

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Speaker 1: master its back. which is the scariest position for it

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Speaker 1: to be in putting a bit in its mouth and

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Speaker 1: a saddle on its back, giving it the reins and saying,

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Speaker 1: when the horn blows over on 35 miles an hour

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Speaker 1: into battle, not phased by the flaming arrows, because I'm

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Speaker 1: so in love with you. So I know I'm talking

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Speaker 1: a lot. I'll just, I'll share one. I'll share one step.

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Speaker 1: The first step in taming a wild Mustang. This is

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Speaker 1: crazy prophetic. When, when the Lord started revealing this to me,

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Speaker 1: my mind was blown. So I've actually done this before.

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Speaker 1: Right now there's about 90,000 wild mustangs that have been

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Speaker 1: rounded up by helicopter by the federal government and put

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Speaker 1: behind bars in these holding facilities all across the 10

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Speaker 1: western states. So wild mustangs double in population every four years.

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Speaker 1: So they're eating all the grazing land. There's not enough

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Speaker 1: room for them. And the natural predators have kind of

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Speaker 1: been wiped out. And so they just keep populating. Yep.

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Speaker 1: The government doesn't know what to do with them because

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Speaker 1: they're federally protected. You can't kill them. So what do

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Speaker 1: you do with something that's too wild that you don't

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Speaker 1: know how to control? You cage it. That's what I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing with young men, right? We're seeing these young men

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Speaker 1: who also wild autonomous. What ends up of them? Well,

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Speaker 1: they like a wild Mustang, get a big tattoo, put

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Speaker 1: on the side of their neck and lock behind bars.

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Speaker 1: So they, they put a big number on this wild

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Speaker 1: Mustang's neck, put it in a holding facility to basically

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Speaker 1: just sit there for the rest of its life. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: The question becomes, if this wild Mustang is so worthless,

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Speaker 1: why did these Greek soldiers use them? And the reason

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Speaker 1: is because you get this wild Mustang. I've done this.

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Speaker 1: You get it into a round pen. We adopted it.

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Speaker 1: You and I could go drive two hours and go

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Speaker 1: adopt a wild Mustang for $ 199 if we wanted. Worthless,

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Speaker 1: according to the government. Take this wild horse. You put

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Speaker 1: it into this round pen. And the first step of

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Speaker 1: gentling this wild Mustang is called getting acknowledgement. So you

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Speaker 1: kind of walk towards this wild Mustang semi-aggressively and it's

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Speaker 1: going bananas. It's kicking, bucking, snorting, kicking up dust and

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Speaker 1: trying just to get away from you because instinctually it

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Speaker 1: knows that you're a predator. We have eyes on the

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Speaker 1: front of our heads scanning or looking for prey. They

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Speaker 1: have eyes on the side of their heads scanning for predators.

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Speaker 1: So it's a prey animal. A predator walks into a

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Speaker 1: cage where it's stuck and so it's freaking out. So

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Speaker 1: the question becomes, How do you get that thing scared

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Speaker 1: to death to become so in love with you that

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Speaker 1: it'll do whatever you ask of it? The first step,

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Speaker 1: you pursue it. You just walk semi-aggressively and it goes bananas.

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Speaker 1: It goes crazy. But the minute that that wild Mustang

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Speaker 1: just gets curious enough to just stop and look at you,

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Speaker 1: just turns its head and looks at you, it's called

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Speaker 1: releasing the pressure. You drop your shoulders and you just

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Speaker 1: walk away. And so you train this thing, huh, the

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Speaker 1: way I get this thing that I'm scared to death

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Speaker 1: of to get the heck away from me is I

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Speaker 1: just look at it. And so it gets addicted to

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Speaker 1: looking at you. And in about three hours of doing this,

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Speaker 1: the craziest thing happens. When you've released the pressure and

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Speaker 1: you walk away, this horse will turn, look at you,

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Speaker 1: and then begin to follow you. And what it's a

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Speaker 1: picture of, it's a picture of Romans 2 verse 4.

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Speaker 1: It is the kindness of the Lord that leads us

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Speaker 1: to repentance. If you want to change your life, you

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Speaker 1: need to first acknowledge that your master is for you

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Speaker 1: and not against you. And he's kind. And when this

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Speaker 1: horse starts to realize this thing's not trying to kill me,

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Speaker 1: he's just kind of walking away from me and then

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Speaker 1: walking towards me. And then slowly you can get close

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Speaker 1: enough to touch this wild horse and you let it

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Speaker 1: sniff you a little bit. And then you, that first touch,

503
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Speaker 1: when you stroke a wild Mustang's back, that's never been touched.

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Speaker 1: They have hooves. They don't have hands. It's something changes.

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Speaker 1: And this horse, wild, hazardous horse that could kick you

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Speaker 1: in the face and kill you, and it does happen,

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Speaker 1: now becomes so much more loyal, so much more obsessed

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Speaker 1: with you than any other horse. That's why wild Mustangs

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Speaker 1: make the best war horses. And so when Jesus is

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Speaker 1: saying things like, my heart is meek, the meek will

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Speaker 1: inherit the earth. What he's saying is I have fully

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Speaker 1: surrendered my will I have fully surrendered the ownership of

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Speaker 1: my life on this earth to my father. And that

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Speaker 1: means going to a cross. That means having this relationship,

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Speaker 1: this union that I've known with him since the beginning

516
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Speaker 1: of time is going to be broken. And that's going

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Speaker 1: to be really scary, but I trust him. That means

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Speaker 1: that Moses, who called himself the meekest man on the planet,

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Speaker 1: which we're like, that's kind of a flex, dude. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of like arrogant. It's not. He's actually just giving

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Speaker 1: history here. I've had enough reps of doubting my Lord

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Speaker 1: and he comes through for me. I've picked up my

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Speaker 1: staff enough times that I've seen the sea part, seen

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Speaker 1: the thing turn into a snake. I've trusted him and

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Speaker 1: I've seen him come through that I am now so meek.

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Speaker 1: I'll do whatever he asks me to do. And that

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Speaker 1: really is meekness. It's fearlessness. It's the opposite of a mamby-pamby,

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Speaker 1: meek as a mouse personality type that the enemy has

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Speaker 1: shielded our eyes from seeing this virtue. It is masculinity

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Speaker 1: at its core. It's masculinity in a virtue because it

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Speaker 1: is a complete lost life that enables you to go

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Speaker 1: out and do things that the Holy Spirit asks you

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Speaker 1: to do because you're so attentive to his voice. You're

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Speaker 1: like John. You go from a son of thunder wanting

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Speaker 1: to rain down fire on the Samaritans and genocide them

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Speaker 1: to being the disciple Jesus loves so in love with

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Speaker 1: him that you lean your head on his chest and

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Speaker 1: you're like, David, I don't care what you think of me.

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Speaker 1: I'll be even more indignified than this. This is what

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Speaker 1: it means to be a man. This is what it

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Speaker 1: means to be a follower of Jesus. And we've lost it.

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Speaker 3: So you've got all this hunger that's going on out there.

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Speaker 3: There's a stirring with men. But I want to go

544
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Speaker 3: back to a Mark Twain quote. He said, most men

545
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Speaker 3: die at 27. We just bury them at 72. And

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Speaker 3: somewhere in this place, when you begin to recognize that

547
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Speaker 3: the end of yourself And there's this hunger, there's this thirst,

548
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Speaker 3: and there's all kinds of innuendo and messaging that's going

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Speaker 3: on out there. But virtually every man I probably have

550
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Speaker 3: ever met doesn't really believe God loves them. You know

551
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Speaker 3: what I'm saying? And so they've got all this messaging

552
00:28:20,090 --> 00:28:23,850
Speaker 3: now coming at them, okay, like we've never had before.

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Speaker 3: And in this moment, we are like at a crisis point, really,

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Speaker 3: because this thing can go one way or the other.

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Speaker 3: It really can. And recognizing that, you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 3: What is the mission? What's the messaging at the end

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Speaker 3: of the day? And I love what you're saying here,

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Speaker 3: because going into that place, you know that? And meeting

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Speaker 3: him there, finding him, understanding that God really does love me,

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Speaker 3: even though I'm... Everything in culture has taken me to

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Speaker 3: a different place. You know that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And now I've got to surrender. I want to use

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Speaker 3: that word... because it gets thrown all over the place.

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Speaker 3: You heard what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: But what does it mean? Where are we going? What

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Speaker 3: are you trying to do with that? I've got a

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Speaker 3: man in my mind right now. I'm looking at him thinking,

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Speaker 3: what are we telling him?

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Speaker 1: You know, the thing, the message is really simple, but

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Speaker 1: it's so simple that you have to learn it in

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Speaker 1: every different lane of your life. You have to learn

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Speaker 1: it in your marriage. You have to learn it in

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Speaker 1: your quiet times with the Lord. You have to learn

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Speaker 1: it in your job. You have to learn it when

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Speaker 1: you go to the grocery store and you see that

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Speaker 1: girl and you're want to look twice. You have to

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Speaker 1: learn it a thousand different times. And again, with this book,

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Speaker 1: my goal is to give a hunger for meekness. But

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Speaker 1: I guess I'll just tell a story. So one of

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Speaker 1: the men That I connected with. Because again, I was

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Speaker 1: going and I got in this network of dudes around

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Speaker 1: the world and women around the world that are just

585
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Speaker 1: doing crazy stuff. So I get connected to this CIA agent.

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Speaker 1: And this is like former special forces, the baddest dude

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Speaker 1: on the planet. But then the next level from that

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Speaker 1: where they're like CIA, they're like, yeah, if we drop

589
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Speaker 1: you in that country and then you die, we don't

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Speaker 1: know you. Like that type of stuff. So this man

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Speaker 1: obviously won't use names. He gets dropped into Afghanistan in

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Speaker 1: the early 1990s. Now, this is when the US government

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Speaker 1: was training the Taliban to fight the Russians. So we

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Speaker 1: were actually on the Taliban side. And he gets dropped

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Speaker 1: in and his job is now train all these Taliban

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Speaker 1: fighters to be good soldiers. And he said, he's like, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: I witnessed one of the craziest things of my life

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Speaker 1: where I'm trying to train these soldiers, but sure enough,

599
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Speaker 1: couple times a day, a Russian helicopter would buzz our

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Speaker 1: outpost and all of them, we'd be like in a meeting,

601
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Speaker 1: all of them in unison would get up from their

602
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Speaker 1: chairs aggressively and sprint outside and just start popping shots

603
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Speaker 1: with their little guns off at this massive Russian helicopter

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Speaker 1: as they've now given up our position and this helicopter

605
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Speaker 1: starts raining down hellfire on us. And he's like, I

606
00:31:20,750 --> 00:31:25,450
Speaker 1: was livid. I was confused. I was livid. And I'm screaming,

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Speaker 1: just get behind a rock, do something. But they did

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Speaker 1: not care. And he said, the Holy Spirit tapped me

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Speaker 1: on the shoulder. And he said, these men are misguided.

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Speaker 1: They're looking forward to their virgins in heaven. They're following

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Speaker 1: a demon. But they're more meek than you are. They have.

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Speaker 1: And he said, you know, Ryan, he's like, this whole

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Speaker 1: conversation we've had, you keep using the word surrender when

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Speaker 1: you talk about meekness. I think there's actually a better word.

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Speaker 1: Because these men went deeper than surrender. They had lost ownership.

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Speaker 1: They lost the full ownership of their lives. They did

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Speaker 1: not love their lives into death. And I think that

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Speaker 1: is the message that I'm trying to get across. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Because there is so much at stake right now. AI

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Speaker 1: is coming very fast. This is about to get really,

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Speaker 1: really weird in the next 15, 10, 15, 20 years.

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Speaker 1: Big time. Yep. So what is it going to take?

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Speaker 1: I believe it will be the war horses that have

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Speaker 1: fully surrendered the ownership of their lives. They have given

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Speaker 1: their masters their back and they say, no matter what

626
00:32:30,990 --> 00:32:34,050
Speaker 1: temptations come my way, no matter what is on the

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Speaker 1: horizon of the future of the ambiguity of wars and

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Speaker 1: rumors of wars, lovers of self, all of this stuff

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Speaker 1: that's going to be swirling and is going to be

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Speaker 1: so confused. It's going to be the ones who have

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Speaker 1: made themselves so small who have been so obsessed with

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Speaker 1: their master's presence. Yes. Like the secret place with the

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00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:59,010
Speaker 1: Lord has become like their number one vice, right? They're obsessed.

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Speaker 3: So they're not, they're not passive. They're not passive at all.

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Speaker 3: They're passionate, more passionate than ever.

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Speaker 1: And I used to think when the, well, when the

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Speaker 1: Lord's first started saying meek to me, I thought it

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Speaker 1: was a rebuke. I thought he's like, your, your personality

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Speaker 1: is too intense. Be more like those church kids. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And now I'm, I feel more intense than I've ever

641
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:21,580
Speaker 1: been in my life. Yes. And more passionate. And yes,

642
00:33:21,660 --> 00:33:23,580
Speaker 1: I'm going to speak about the persecuted church. And yes,

643
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to go into villages in Nigeria where everyone says,

644
00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:28,260
Speaker 1: don't go there. And yes, I'm going to speak out

645
00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:30,790
Speaker 1: on abortion. And yes, I'm going to talk about these things.

646
00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:33,410
Speaker 1: And yes, I'm going to receive death threats, but I'm

647
00:33:33,490 --> 00:33:35,470
Speaker 1: only going to do what I see my father doing

648
00:33:35,490 --> 00:33:38,310
Speaker 1: and what my master telling me to do. Because the

649
00:33:38,410 --> 00:33:40,970
Speaker 1: final stage of meekness is partnership. And this is, this

650
00:33:41,010 --> 00:33:45,150
Speaker 1: is answering your question here. We need more men. who

651
00:33:45,210 --> 00:33:48,490
Speaker 1: are anticipating what the father's already doing in the earth. Wow.

652
00:33:48,810 --> 00:33:52,209
Speaker 1: Who aren't waiting for the nudge of the rains. They're saying,

653
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Speaker 1: I know your heart so much that I'm going here.

654
00:33:56,330 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: That's where you're working. Yes. And who asked permission for

655
00:34:00,420 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: the smallest things, that same CIA agent. He told me,

656
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: he's like, he's like, man, you wouldn't believe how many,

657
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:08,980
Speaker 1: how many men become believers in this line of work,

658
00:34:09,340 --> 00:34:12,780
Speaker 1: because you have to be constantly asking the Lord, Lord,

659
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Speaker 1: can I eat that falafel? Lord, can I go into

660
00:34:15,590 --> 00:34:18,750
Speaker 1: that bathroom? Are they waiting? Like what's going to happen?

661
00:34:19,650 --> 00:34:21,930
Speaker 1: And again, I look at these patterns. I just look

662
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Speaker 1: at patterns of men and women God used in the Bible.

663
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Speaker 1: And there's one that I think David especially shows. David's

664
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:34,089
Speaker 1: maybe the guy where he just asks permission all the time. Like, oh,

665
00:34:34,110 --> 00:34:37,009
Speaker 1: you attacked my family? You and I was like, where's

666
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:39,940
Speaker 1: our guns? Let's go get them. He's like, Lord, can I?

667
00:34:40,450 --> 00:34:42,589
Speaker 1: Should I? Will I win if I go against that army?

668
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:47,730
Speaker 1: So what's needed in this next generation are warhorses that

669
00:34:47,770 --> 00:34:50,549
Speaker 1: are in partnership with their master, that are anticipating where

670
00:34:50,570 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: the kingdom of God is moving, and they're forcefully taking

671
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: it because the kingdom of God is taken by force,

672
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:02,100
Speaker 1: by forceful men. Yes. And so that really is the directive,

673
00:35:02,340 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: is die. Yeah. Lose your life. Yeah.

674
00:35:04,739 --> 00:35:07,530
Speaker 2: I was going to say it's beyond— the surrendered life,

675
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,380
Speaker 2: it's the sold out life, man. Like selling out to

676
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,299
Speaker 2: Jesus and giving absolutely everything. I'm going all in type

677
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: of mindset. And I think that's the concept. When I

678
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: think of War Horse, I think of the word courage, right?

679
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: The greatest definition of the word courage I've ever heard

680
00:35:20,260 --> 00:35:23,540
Speaker 2: is not the absence of fear, but it's the realization

681
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,500
Speaker 2: that there's something more important than your fear causing you

682
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: then to act anyways.

683
00:35:28,420 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: And so that's the idea.

684
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Speaker 2: I feel like when I hear you speak, Ryan, when

685
00:35:31,540 --> 00:35:34,140
Speaker 2: I see all the content that you post, you have

686
00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:37,390
Speaker 2: an urgency about you. It's like, dude, I'm not going

687
00:35:37,410 --> 00:35:39,450
Speaker 2: to sit back. I'm not going to, in a sense,

688
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: just relax and let somebody else do it. I feel

689
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,819
Speaker 2: like you're so connected and tethered to the Lord that

690
00:35:44,860 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 2: it's like wherever God is working, that's where I want

691
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,580
Speaker 2: to go. I'm anticipating it. I think of just your

692
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: recent like surgence. when you talk a lot about the

693
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,540
Speaker 2: persecuted church, and I feel like in the West here,

694
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Speaker 2: in the United States, we just have a comfortability factor.

695
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 3: Like we are just, we're blessed. I mean, we are

696
00:36:01,070 --> 00:36:03,430
Speaker 3: so profitable, all of these things. And we just take

697
00:36:03,469 --> 00:36:05,529
Speaker 3: it easy. We go up, go to church. We go

698
00:36:05,550 --> 00:36:07,529
Speaker 3: through the motions. We check off the list.

699
00:36:07,650 --> 00:36:08,290
Speaker 1: We're comfortable.

700
00:36:08,730 --> 00:36:11,509
Speaker 2: But like, there's an urgency where, man, the global church,

701
00:36:11,550 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: they're literally dying every single day. And we're turning a

702
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,420
Speaker 2: blind eye to it. Speak to as you become more meek,

703
00:36:18,739 --> 00:36:21,020
Speaker 2: I hear you saying there's a greater passion, a greater

704
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: sense of urgency in you. Speak about the persecuted church

705
00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: and what we need to know.

706
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,060
Speaker 1: Well, we need to be discipled by the persecuted church

707
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,779
Speaker 1: because I do not want to get to heaven and

708
00:36:32,860 --> 00:36:36,259
Speaker 1: realize two things. I don't want to realize that I

709
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: left intimacy on the table because of my comfort. Like

710
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: I know my salvation is secure. I know that it's

711
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: nothing but the blood of Jesus that has washed my

712
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,380
Speaker 1: sin clean and That it's for grace that I've been saved.

713
00:36:50,140 --> 00:36:52,580
Speaker 1: But I don't want to get to heaven and realize

714
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:58,330
Speaker 1: that I punted. That I was comfortable. And I look

715
00:36:58,370 --> 00:37:02,890
Speaker 1: at Jesus and Jesus is like, man, you can't get

716
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:05,930
Speaker 1: away from it. He's like, pick up your electric chair

717
00:37:05,969 --> 00:37:09,310
Speaker 1: and follow me. Eat my flesh, drink my blood. And

718
00:37:09,330 --> 00:37:12,850
Speaker 1: people are like, ugh, weird. And they leave. He's not

719
00:37:12,930 --> 00:37:14,989
Speaker 1: trying to gain a lot of people. He's trying to

720
00:37:15,050 --> 00:37:19,070
Speaker 1: gain the people who are like, let's ride. I believe

721
00:37:19,150 --> 00:37:21,810
Speaker 1: you are who you say you are. Well, that's Nigeria.

722
00:37:22,270 --> 00:37:23,469
Speaker 1: That's Pakistan. Yeah.

723
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:24,430
Speaker 3: Right now.

724
00:37:24,820 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: That's, that's North Korea. Yeah. That's China. Yes. That's, that's,

725
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: it's believers all around the world. More Christians have been

726
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: killed in the last 100 years than any hundred year

727
00:37:34,940 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: period prior. So when I meet with these Christians in Nigeria,

728
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,540
Speaker 1: it's just a different, it's a different category. It's just, it's,

729
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:52,070
Speaker 1: it's like, um, it's a different Christianity entirely. Yes. Because

730
00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:55,069
Speaker 1: they're faced with my village might be next. I was

731
00:37:55,090 --> 00:37:59,569
Speaker 1: just on the phone last week with Ezekiel Dachamo Jr. And, um,

732
00:38:00,469 --> 00:38:02,870
Speaker 1: you know, Ezekiel Dachamo is, is like the Billy Graham

733
00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:05,370
Speaker 1: of Nigeria. And I was on the phone with his

734
00:38:05,390 --> 00:38:07,630
Speaker 1: son and I just said, Hey bro, like how can

735
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:10,150
Speaker 1: we be praying for you? And he goes, man, would

736
00:38:10,170 --> 00:38:12,630
Speaker 1: you just pray for our kids? Our kids aren't sleeping.

737
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:18,529
Speaker 1: They don't know that our village might not be next. Like, whoa,

738
00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:22,130
Speaker 1: all they would have to do is bend a knee

739
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:27,390
Speaker 1: to Islam. That's it. And they choose not to. There

740
00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:30,709
Speaker 1: was a woman, Susan, who was literally shot in the face.

741
00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:33,630
Speaker 1: They're like, deny Jesus or we're shooting you. She said,

742
00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:35,650
Speaker 1: I'll never deny my Lord. There was a standoff for

743
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:38,109
Speaker 1: about four hours where they're like, wow, this woman's for real.

744
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:41,810
Speaker 1: So finally they're like, we got to go. Boom, shot her,

745
00:38:41,989 --> 00:38:45,060
Speaker 1: went through her eyes, left for dead. As they were

746
00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:47,310
Speaker 1: piling bodies into the back of this pickup truck, which

747
00:38:47,350 --> 00:38:49,630
Speaker 1: is a regular thing for them, because they'll come in,

748
00:38:49,650 --> 00:38:53,710
Speaker 1: they'll slaughter villages. They're piling her body. They hear her

749
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:56,010
Speaker 1: moan and they bring her to the hospital. She survives.

750
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:59,089
Speaker 1: So I meet with Susan and I ask her, I say,

751
00:38:59,210 --> 00:39:01,569
Speaker 1: if the man who shot you was standing in front

752
00:39:01,610 --> 00:39:03,940
Speaker 1: of you, what would you say to him? And she

753
00:39:03,980 --> 00:39:06,660
Speaker 1: gets all excited. She's like, oh my goodness. She's like,

754
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,900
Speaker 1: this has been a dream of mine. I would just

755
00:39:08,940 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: hug him and tell him how loved he is by

756
00:39:11,219 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: Jesus and tell him that I fully forgive him. It

757
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: was like, what? I met with another woman, actually the

758
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,089
Speaker 1: survivors of a village, there were like four of them.

759
00:39:23,790 --> 00:39:26,589
Speaker 1: I met with all four of those survivors and the

760
00:39:26,610 --> 00:39:29,810
Speaker 1: thing they couldn't stop talking about was forgiveness. Like we just,

761
00:39:29,850 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: we just wanted them to know, you know, since you

762
00:39:31,860 --> 00:39:33,430
Speaker 1: got the cameras on, we just want, we want them

763
00:39:33,450 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: to know that we forgive them, that we love them.

764
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, your husband was, was gunned down. Your husband

765
00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: and son was gunned down three weeks ago. And you're

766
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: saying this, it's a different type of faith because it's costly.

767
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: And so we, as the West need to become discipled,

768
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: We need to actually have an imagination because this is

769
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: coming a lot quicker than we think. There was a

770
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,650
Speaker 1: woman also in that same IDP camp that I was

771
00:39:59,690 --> 00:40:02,810
Speaker 1: talking to, and she was like, I never thought this

772
00:40:02,850 --> 00:40:06,050
Speaker 1: would happen in my village. Never thought in my village

773
00:40:06,310 --> 00:40:08,910
Speaker 1: that radical Islam would make its way from the north

774
00:40:09,390 --> 00:40:12,940
Speaker 1: down to my village in the middle belt. We need

775
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: to understand that there is an enemy that is approaching

776
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,489
Speaker 1: our shores, that is infiltrating our shores. An enemy that

777
00:40:20,670 --> 00:40:22,270
Speaker 1: the book of Revelation says in the end times will

778
00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:27,150
Speaker 1: cut off the heads of men. So what do you

779
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:31,980
Speaker 1: believe as a Christian? Buckle up because this is going

780
00:40:32,020 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: to move very quickly, I believe, from a thing we

781
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,620
Speaker 1: do on Sundays to do you own this? Are you

782
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: wearing that cross? Do you really mean it? It's coming fast. Yes,

783
00:40:42,660 --> 00:40:42,890
Speaker 1: it is.

784
00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:51,669
Speaker 3: When we were Interviewing a guy earlier today, they said, hey,

785
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:55,910
Speaker 3: he'll be coming in a Raptor truck. And immediately my

786
00:40:55,930 --> 00:41:00,290
Speaker 3: mind went to, I wonder what's coming. I wonder what

787
00:41:00,310 --> 00:41:03,009
Speaker 3: he's really like. I wonder what this interview is going

788
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:07,910
Speaker 3: to be like. And that's kind of my mindset when

789
00:41:08,090 --> 00:41:08,930
Speaker 3: anybody walks in.

790
00:41:10,510 --> 00:41:11,350
Speaker 1: What are we meeting?

791
00:41:11,550 --> 00:41:16,930
Speaker 3: Who are we meeting? What's this all about? I believe you.

792
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:18,509
Speaker 1: I do.

793
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,109
Speaker 3: I actually believe you. Can't say that about a lot

794
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,350
Speaker 3: of people. Well, some people. But I actually believe you.

795
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:31,630
Speaker 3: I believe that you believe that God's got you on

796
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:32,050
Speaker 3: a mission.

797
00:41:33,590 --> 00:41:33,710
Speaker 1: Yeah.

798
00:41:34,730 --> 00:41:36,470
Speaker 3: And I think people want to get on a mission.

799
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:37,009
Speaker 1: They do.

800
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:40,989
Speaker 3: I think they're tired. They're tired of holding on to

801
00:41:41,969 --> 00:41:45,190
Speaker 3: what seems to be fleeting. It's like sand through their fingers.

802
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:45,650
Speaker 1: You know that?

803
00:41:47,050 --> 00:41:49,790
Speaker 3: Hoping that the message is true, but they're not really sure.

804
00:41:49,810 --> 00:41:50,469
Speaker 1: Yeah.

805
00:41:50,610 --> 00:41:57,460
Speaker 3: But, you know, and hope is powerful if it's real.

806
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 3: You actually believe it's real?

807
00:41:59,239 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

808
00:41:59,540 --> 00:42:00,419
Speaker 3: It's contagious, too.

809
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:01,180
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.

810
00:42:01,780 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 3: It'll make you run through a brick wall. Athletes understand

811
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:04,660
Speaker 3: this stuff.

812
00:42:04,820 --> 00:42:05,180
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

813
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: You've got to believe.

814
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:06,550
Speaker 1: Yeah.

815
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:08,969
Speaker 3: Dude, if you don't believe, you're stepping in the box,

816
00:42:09,010 --> 00:42:09,630
Speaker 3: you're in trouble.

817
00:42:09,850 --> 00:42:10,029
Speaker 2: Yeah.

818
00:42:10,310 --> 00:42:11,009
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, really.

819
00:42:11,610 --> 00:42:13,390
Speaker 3: And you're listening to every message around you. Get your

820
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:13,890
Speaker 3: hands back.

821
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,810
Speaker 1: Get them up. Open up.

822
00:42:16,469 --> 00:42:18,850
Speaker 3: Get your feet right. Move back in the box. And

823
00:42:18,890 --> 00:42:22,010
Speaker 3: the insanity of all of it begins just to cloud everything,

824
00:42:22,250 --> 00:42:24,710
Speaker 3: and you're lost. And your hands are coming through the

825
00:42:24,730 --> 00:42:34,589
Speaker 3: zone slow. You know that. Ryan, Jesus, when he says

826
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:38,810
Speaker 3: he's meek, what's your image of him? Who do you see?

827
00:42:38,830 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: I see a paradox. Because, you know, the book of Revelation,

828
00:42:48,219 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: we don't know what John saw. But what John saw

829
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:58,150
Speaker 1: was crazy. He saw on the throne a lamb that

830
00:42:58,170 --> 00:43:03,190
Speaker 1: had been slain. Wait, what? So you're telling me to

831
00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: ascend in the kingdom of God to the highest place,

832
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: you must be slain? Like... What does that even look

833
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,569
Speaker 1: like for him? Like a lamb that had been slain.

834
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:19,069
Speaker 1: But he's also coming back as the Lion of Judah

835
00:43:19,090 --> 00:43:25,049
Speaker 1: with a sword coming out of his mouth. So what

836
00:43:25,090 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: does that mean for us? What does that mean? Like

837
00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:35,219
Speaker 1: who is Jesus? What does he look like? Jesus is

838
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: the embodiment of perfect love. I believe when we look

839
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,340
Speaker 1: in his eyes one day, we're just going to see love.

840
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,219
Speaker 1: It's going to be love that we've never experienced in

841
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: our lives. Like a million X what we thought was

842
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,250
Speaker 1: even possible. And we will tremble at the same time.

843
00:43:52,989 --> 00:43:56,250
Speaker 1: There will be a holy fear of the Lord. Like

844
00:43:56,330 --> 00:43:59,430
Speaker 1: John and Isaiah, the two men that actually experienced him,

845
00:44:00,170 --> 00:44:03,899
Speaker 1: fell on their faces like dead men. Do you think

846
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: I care what people think of me? when I'm going

847
00:44:06,460 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: to stand before him in 60 years if I'm lucky.

848
00:44:09,580 --> 00:44:12,620
Speaker 1: I do not care. The goal of this life is

849
00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:16,220
Speaker 1: to be obedient. And if that means obedient to death, good.

850
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:17,780
Speaker 2: Good.

851
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,950
Speaker 1: Because I'm blessed in the kingdom of God. The martyrs

852
00:44:22,010 --> 00:44:25,549
Speaker 1: are held in high regard in the kingdom. And I

853
00:44:25,610 --> 00:44:29,569
Speaker 1: think the directive for every person, because again, we talk

854
00:44:29,610 --> 00:44:33,770
Speaker 1: about meekness a lot on this podcast. What does meekness offer?

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Speaker 1: What's the fruit? One, you go on an adventure outside

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Speaker 1: the round pen. So if you want adventure in this life,

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Speaker 1: if you want fearlessness in this life, then it's going

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Speaker 1: to come through the round pen. It's going to come

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Speaker 1: through making yourself small. It's going to come through the

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Speaker 1: Lord chopping things in your life that you thought were

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Speaker 1: so precious. It's going to come through a lot of pain.

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Speaker 1: But the dividend is he's going to say, I can

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Speaker 1: trust that man. I can trust that woman. He's going

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Speaker 1: to send you on an adventure. The second dividend of

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Speaker 1: it is rest for your souls. I think those are

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Speaker 1: the two most felt needs outside of maybe love and relationship.

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Speaker 1: The two most felt needs is how can I just

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Speaker 1: feel okay inside? How can I feel peace inside? That's

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Speaker 1: what we're all asking. I think every day, and it's

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Speaker 1: why people turn to alcoholism. It's why people just, I

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Speaker 1: just want to feel peace. Like I think even a

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Speaker 1: step further in relief, it's like, how can I just

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Speaker 1: feel tranquil? And that's what Jesus is saying. He's like, man,

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Speaker 1: You want rest for your souls? Come and learn from me.

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Speaker 1: I'm meek and lowly. So what are you going to learn?

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Speaker 1: How are you going to find rest for your souls?

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Speaker 1: You're going to learn meekness. It's crazy that like someone's

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Speaker 1: like someone the other day, they were like, I've never

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Speaker 1: heard a book on meekness. I'm like, what a shame.

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Speaker 1: What a shame that I'm the first you've heard of

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Speaker 1: written about what I think offers you adventure in your

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Speaker 1: life and those that inherit. That's crazy.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Um, okay. One more story. Cause I like stories.

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Speaker 3: I love stories, right?

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Speaker 1: Okay. So there's this woman named Carol Ward. Um, this

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Speaker 1: woman is insane, dude. So her, she grew up in

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Speaker 1: the Philippines. Her dad was a missionary and her classmates were, uh,

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Speaker 1: what are now the leaders of ISIS. So she grew

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Speaker 1: up with like future terrorists as her classmates. She watched

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Speaker 1: her dad suffer for the kingdom. She watched him man,

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Speaker 1: like experience, uh, Everything under the sun is a missionary.

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Speaker 1: And she watched it from a very young age. So

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Speaker 1: she told me, she's like, at 10 years old, I

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Speaker 1: would pray this prayer. I would say, Lord, would you

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Speaker 1: give me the honor and blessing of one day becoming

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Speaker 1: a martyr? At 10. What's that, like fifth grade? Would

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Speaker 1: you allow me the honor of becoming a martyr? And

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Speaker 1: she said she kept praying that for years and years

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Speaker 1: and years until she was in her teenage years. She

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Speaker 1: was around 17 years old. She praised that prayer. And

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Speaker 1: she said the Lord finally spoke. Lord, would you give

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Speaker 1: me the blessing of being a martyr? And the Lord says,

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Speaker 1: not until you lose your fear. And she goes, okay, Lord,

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Speaker 1: give me more faith. And he goes, it won't be

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Speaker 1: your faith that conquers your fear. It'll be your love.

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Speaker 1: And she says, okay, Lord, baptize me in love. Well,

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Speaker 1: she went on to become a missionary because her prayer

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Speaker 1: was send me where no one else wants to go.

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Speaker 1: So she was the OG, boots on the ground, in

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Speaker 1: South Sudan when Joseph Kony was terrorizing. If you remember

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Speaker 1: Invisible Children, Kony 2012, the UN called it one of

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Speaker 1: the greatest humanitarian crises of our time, where this one

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Speaker 1: demonized man would go village to village, and he would

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Speaker 1: kidnap children, brainwash them, turn them into child soldiers, go

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Speaker 1: to the next village, kill everyone, kidnap the soldiers, and

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Speaker 1: just do it on repeat throughout South Sudan. So Carol

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Speaker 1: Ward was the first person on the ground there. And

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Speaker 1: one day she's driving through this village. She's driving through this,

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Speaker 1: you know, on this road through this checkpoint and her

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Speaker 1: car gets stopped. And these two Dinka fighters come to

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Speaker 1: either side of her car and she knew what was

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Speaker 1: about to happen. They get into the car. She'd heard

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Speaker 1: this story play out dozens of times. The fighters kidnapped

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Speaker 1: the car. They drive for hours through the bush to

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Speaker 1: where no one's going to see you. They rape the

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Speaker 1: women and they kill you and they burn the car

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Speaker 1: and they leave. It's what they do. It's just what

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Speaker 1: these Dinka fighters do. So they get on either side

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Speaker 1: of her and they tell the driver, drive. So he

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Speaker 1: starts driving. Gunpoint. And Carol says, the Lord reminds her

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Speaker 1: in that moment, become perfect love. She goes, how do

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Speaker 1: I love these men who are about to rape and

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Speaker 1: kill me? She turns to her left and she goes,

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Speaker 1: what is your name? He goes, my name is Jacob.

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Speaker 1: She goes, Oh, you gotta be kidding me. There's a

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Speaker 1: whole book written about you. Do you know the story?

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Speaker 1: And she like, doesn't even let them talk. She just

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Speaker 1: turns full teacher mode on them. And she goes through Genesis,

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Speaker 1: Adam and Eve. She goes to Jacob and Moses and

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Speaker 1: Joseph and goes through the whole story of like just

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Speaker 1: Old Testament. Then she gets to the story of Jesus

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Speaker 1: and she's telling the story of Jesus. And she says,

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Speaker 1: these men, these six foot 10 Dinka fighters turned into

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Speaker 1: little children. And they're like so attached to the character.

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Speaker 1: of this story. She's telling them this story for four

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Speaker 1: hours of the Bible. Wow. She's going like this long

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Speaker 1: drive anticipating they're about to rape and kill me, but

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Speaker 1: become perfect love to these men right now. So she

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Speaker 1: tells them the full story. She tells them the story

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Speaker 1: about Jesus. And they're like a mess emotionally. These men,

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Speaker 1: they break And she goes, do you guys want to

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Speaker 1: accept this love that my Jesus has for you? And

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Speaker 1: these men say, yes. They give their lives to Jesus.

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Speaker 1: They look at her and they say, do you know

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Speaker 1: what we were about to do to you? She goes,

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Speaker 1: oh yes, Jacob, I know. And he goes, turn the

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Speaker 1: car around, go back to our village. You go back

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Speaker 1: to the village, share the gospel with the entire village.

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Speaker 1: The whole village gets saved because this woman who was

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Speaker 1: about to be raped and killed became perfect love. That's

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Speaker 1: what God does with hearts. that have been fully turned

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Speaker 1: over to him. That's meekness. It is a complete dying

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Speaker 1: of yourself. It is a complete lowering of yourself, realizing

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Speaker 1: you're not in control. You are not the master. You're

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Speaker 1: the Mustang. But when you become the Mustang, when you willingly,

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Speaker 1: joyfully put that bit in your mouth and that saddle

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Speaker 1: on your back in every area of your life, because again,

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Speaker 1: this is a lifelong battle to become meek. And you say, Lord,

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Speaker 1: what are you up to today? And how can I help?

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Speaker 1: what do you want to say to me today? Dude,

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Speaker 1: this was probably a couple years ago. I was praying

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Speaker 1: before I made content. I asked the Lord, Lord, what

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Speaker 1: do you want me to say? He said, I don't

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Speaker 1: want you to do your typical content today. Just make

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Speaker 1: a video, pray for someone that's about to make a

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Speaker 1: big decision. I go, it's not going to reach many people.

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Speaker 1: I pull out my phone and I just say, I

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Speaker 1: felt like God said I'm supposed to pray for someone

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Speaker 1: that's about to make a big decision. Pull out my phone, pray,

981
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Speaker 1: post it. I get a DM. All it says was,

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Speaker 1: I was on my way to get an abortion. Talk

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Speaker 1: to this lady. She was driving to get an abortion.

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Speaker 1: Ask the Lord for a sign. She opens Instagram or TikTok.

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Speaker 1: She opens TikTok. Sees the video. Decides to turn back

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Speaker 1: around and go home. That woman's now become a social

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Speaker 1: media influencer. And her little boy is in the videos

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Speaker 1: with her. Come on. Was that a successful video? Because

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Speaker 1: it only reached 11,000 people. What's the metric of success?

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Speaker 1: The metrics of success is obedience. It's his love language. It's,

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Speaker 1: it's being in such a union with him that you

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Speaker 1: are anticipating, but you're also, your ears so turned to

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Speaker 1: him that you're listening, that you're so in love with

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Speaker 1: his word that you can't get enough of it. That that's,

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Speaker 1: that is the.

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Speaker 3: Greatest gift of our life.

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Speaker 2: When I, um, a couple of years back, we were

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Speaker 2: at a, a mental health symposium at a wind shape

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Speaker 2: camps in Rome, Georgia. And there was a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a, there's a place that we went and sat under.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember this before the opening

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Speaker 2: night dinner. And there was a guy, I believe his

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Speaker 2: first name is Todd, where he brings in a wild horse.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And he actually puts a saddle on it for the

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Speaker 2: first time and he tames a wild Mustang.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now never forget there was a sign because this horse

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Speaker 2: was just, I mean, curbstomping him, kicking him like crazy.

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Speaker 2: Like he was taking blows.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But he did exactly how you described it. He was

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Speaker 2: just walking, gave his presence until the horse eventually would

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Speaker 2: look and look and then eventually found himself more familiar

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Speaker 2: because of his presence. He wasn't chaotic. He wasn't frantic.

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Speaker 2: He didn't panic. He was just calm and loving. And

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Speaker 2: eventually it got to the point where the horse finally

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Speaker 2: fully submitted and bought in. Came over to him in

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Speaker 2: the middle of the ring. And he said a line

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Speaker 2: that has always stuck with me. He said, you see

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. Eventually, the horse got to a point when

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Speaker 2: it didn't know what to do. It knew where to turn.

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Speaker 2: And I just think about everybody listening today. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of people out there.

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 2: They don't know what to do. But what you're reminding

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Speaker 2: us is you can always know.

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Speaker 1: Where to turn.

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Speaker 2: As I close this conversation with you, my friend, I'm

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Speaker 2: just thinking about somebody out there who's, I always say, discouraged, disappointed, depleted.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're depressed. They're in a low spot in life.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's somebody out there today who's doing a lot

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Speaker 2: of great things, Ryan, but maybe it's not channeled in

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Speaker 2: the right direction. What do you hope and pray if

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Speaker 2: they pick up Mika's Mustang? What do you hope and

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Speaker 2: pray they walk away with that they would be able

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Speaker 2: to see God in an entirely different way?

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Speaker 1: You know, there's this scripture, Psalm 67. It's a Hebrew blessing.

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Speaker 1: from a father to a son. May God be gracious

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Speaker 1: to us and bless us and make his face shine

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Speaker 1: upon us. And that phrase, make his face shine upon us,

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Speaker 1: that's a Hebrew phrase for trying to get a baby

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Speaker 1: to laugh. So when God looks at you, he does

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Speaker 1: everything in his power, just like anything, what I do

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Speaker 1: with my baby, I just want my joy to be

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Speaker 1: imparted to that baby. And so what I hope they

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Speaker 1: take away as they read this is I hope Like

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Speaker 1: your life will change when you fully believe how much

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Speaker 1: Jesus loves you. That is the starting place that he

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Speaker 1: who knew no sin became sin so that you might

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Speaker 1: become the righteousness of God, that he's given us access

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Speaker 1: to be called a child of God because of what

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Speaker 1: he did for you. If that is true, it changes everything.

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Speaker 1: So I hope if they read this book that they

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Speaker 1: wake up and they preach that gospel to themselves every

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Speaker 1: single day, that they fall in love with the word

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Speaker 1: of God. They fall in love with the heart of

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Speaker 1: the father. because that is step one step two step

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Speaker 1: three that is that is move a move b all

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Speaker 1: the way to z that is it that is it

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Speaker 1: just just receive the love of the father more than

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Speaker 1: love him more than do things for him he doesn't

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Speaker 1: need us he doesn't need this podcast he doesn't need

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Speaker 1: this book he doesn't need any of our pursuits he

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Speaker 1: can use someone else right he he he just wants

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Speaker 1: to be with us and he delights in in in

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Speaker 1: the same way that my son you know right now

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Speaker 1: he's really into working out he'd He doesn't like baseball

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Speaker 1: too much. I'm trying to get him to like baseball.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not going to force him to like baseball.

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Speaker 1: So he will actually, the Lord, through his love, will

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Speaker 1: show you who you are. Because we have a unique

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Speaker 1: identity that he's crafted into us. That's actually at the

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Speaker 1: heart of who he is as well. And so my

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Speaker 1: hope is that they recognize the love of Jesus and

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Speaker 1: they just want to be near that. They just want

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Speaker 1: to be in his presence. Like I said, the secret

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Speaker 1: place would become their vice. They would just be obsessed.

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Speaker 1: He's with us. He sees us.

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Speaker 3: He loves us. He pursues us. He's with you every

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Speaker 3: step of the way, my friend.

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Speaker 2: I hope and pray that every audience member would be

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Speaker 2: able to hear that truth and that revelation today. Ryan,

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Speaker 2: my friend, where can our audience go to find out

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Speaker 2: more about you, to watch some of your content, your videos,

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Speaker 2: to listen to the Jesus People podcast, to pick up

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Speaker 2: a copy of Meek is a Mustang?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so my... social media is just look up Ryan Miller. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's Ryan underscore Miller on Instagram. And, um, I have

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Speaker 1: the Jesus people podcast. So I interview different Jesus people

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Speaker 1: that are, I love it by the way. Oh, thanks man. Absolutely. Um,

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Speaker 1: and then the book you can, uh, it's Mika's a Mustang.

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Speaker 1: You can find it. Um, you can preorder it on

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Speaker 1: Amazon or any Barnes and Noble, Mardell, any of those

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Speaker 1: sites as well. Um, And then I'm starting a Bible

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Speaker 1: in a Year podcast as well.

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Speaker 3: Come on, dude.

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Speaker 1: So that's with a lot of cool people. Jenny, Bryce.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Shoot, there's a lot of people. John

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Speaker 1: and Lisa Bevere, Philip Anthony Mitchell. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: cool people that are doing that. That's really cool. Phil Wickham.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's starting in January. If you want to

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Speaker 1: read through the scriptures every day, it's called The Jesus Thread.

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Speaker 1: So be looking out for that. But yeah, dude.

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Speaker 3: So excited.

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Speaker 2: I hope and pray that every audience member would get

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Speaker 2: plugged into what God is doing through Ryan Miller, through

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Speaker 2: your friends, through your community, through what he's doing in

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Speaker 2: trying to bring heaven to earth. Ryan, my friend, thank

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Speaker 2: you for making the drive over. I hope and pray

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Speaker 2: that you guys would really settle into your home here

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Speaker 2: in Tennessee, there in Franklin. But man, I'm grateful for

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Speaker 2: your time today. Thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: To our Built Different audience, just wanted to say thank

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Speaker 2: you guys so much for joining us. I hope and

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Speaker 2: pray that you're leaving as encouraged as I am. And

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Speaker 2: just reminded of the urgency that we can live with

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Speaker 2: because of the unfathomable love and the scandalous grace of

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Speaker 2: Christ thank you for joining us we love being a

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Speaker 2: part of your life