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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back to The Charlie Kirk Show. April
Speaker 3: twenty seventh, twenty twenty six. We're here in Phoenix, Arizona,
Speaker 3: at the y REFI Studio. How we doing, Blake, You know,
Speaker 3: we're not having the show we thought we would have
Speaker 3: to not having the show. We didn't have the show
Speaker 3: on Saturday that we thought we were gonna have either.
Speaker 3: I was actually at the White House Correspondence dinners, many
Speaker 3: of you probably know by now. I didn't say much
Speaker 3: about it before the event. I was honored to be
Speaker 3: invited by a few different outlets. Went and sitting next
Speaker 3: to Harmeat Dylan, and the night was going along. It
Speaker 3: was great, having a good time, meeting a lot of
Speaker 3: old friends, seeing hi to new ones. And then, you know,
Speaker 3: while we're sitting there waiting for the food to get served,
Speaker 3: President Trump, Jade Vance and others on the dais on
Speaker 3: the stage, all of a sudden you start seeing everybody
Speaker 3: duck for cover.
Speaker 2: Did you hear anything?
Speaker 3: I heard? Essentially what I you know, I thought somebody
Speaker 3: was kind of gone like that, like that was I
Speaker 3: clocked something in the back of my mind, as you know,
Speaker 3: maybe a tray fell or but I actually thought, you know,
Speaker 3: somebody was pounded because it was such a raucous cacophonist room.
Speaker 3: And I will I will just say, you know, there's
Speaker 3: been a lot of talk about the security in that room,
Speaker 3: but for me, it was like when we were in there,
Speaker 3: you couldn't navigate. The tables were so close together that
Speaker 3: if people were sitting in the chairs, there was zero
Speaker 3: room to navigate in between. And so it was a
Speaker 3: I mean, God forbid that place where I had a fire,
Speaker 3: because people would not have gotten out guaranteed. I mean,
Speaker 3: it was a total fire hazard. I will say, that does.
Speaker 4: Sound like something Trump might do. They're like, mister President,
Speaker 4: it's gotten too full.
Speaker 3: He's like, nah, I mean, I don't know who made
Speaker 3: that kind of decision, but it was it was a
Speaker 3: tight it was a tight squeeze. So essentially you heard
Speaker 3: this noise, but it again, you kind of just assumed
Speaker 3: there was a lot going on, somebody dropped something or whatever.
Speaker 3: And then little by little, starting in the back of
Speaker 3: the room, you saw people ducking underneath their tables, and
Speaker 3: so sure enough we dove underneath our table and you
Speaker 3: could see the thing that well, I will never forget
Speaker 3: was the urgency this I would call it like a
Speaker 3: violent urgency of the Secret Service. As everybody dives under
Speaker 3: the table because you could hear them yelling and you
Speaker 3: could see them running, and there was like they were
Speaker 3: throwing chairs to get them out of the way. And
Speaker 3: you're like, whoa something, something is up, and so everybody
Speaker 3: just starts we dive under the table. Were there again?
Speaker 3: Time was sort of a blurb, but I would assume
Speaker 3: maybe three to five minutes under the table, under the
Speaker 3: the you know, you kind of I'm peeking out. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to see if if the coast is clear.
Speaker 3: Then it becomes did President Trump get shot? Because I'm
Speaker 3: looking I kind of look there.
Speaker 2: It's probably a lot harder for you guys to tell.
Speaker 3: No, we had no idea what happened, because I look up,
Speaker 3: they're all gone off the stage and you see you know, tactical,
Speaker 3: outed outfitted Secret Service on the stage, and you see
Speaker 3: them marching down the middle and you see them and
Speaker 3: by the way, so I was so close up to
Speaker 3: I was if I was essentially house left stage right,
Speaker 3: a couple rows back from the stage, and the Secret
Speaker 3: Service came right by our table and walked on our chairs.
Speaker 3: So a secret service put his boot on the chair
Speaker 3: I was just sitting on. As they were navigating in
Speaker 3: the room. Her meat's head was kind of kind of
Speaker 3: poked up a little bit. She got stepped on. Yeah, like,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's poor thing. I actually she had a
Speaker 3: welt on her head from getting stepped on. I mean, this,
Speaker 3: in theory, could be the next Attorney General of the
Speaker 3: United States. She got stepped on by a secret service
Speaker 3: that we're working with such urgency, and they obviously had
Speaker 3: no idea who was at what table. So eventually everything
Speaker 3: kind of calms down. I get up. Everybody starts kind
Speaker 3: of rising. I see Philip Wegman, who's with the Wall
Speaker 3: Street Journal. I said, Phil, did they get like as
Speaker 3: the president? Okay, because at this point I'm like, did
Speaker 3: you did There was a shot that came back to
Speaker 3: reception in that room. Because it's there was no reception,
Speaker 3: nobody could make phone calls. So I asked Phil, I said,
Speaker 3: you know, did they get the president? Is jd okay?
Speaker 3: Because in theory, I'm thinking, did a shot come from
Speaker 3: the back of the room and I just didn't hear
Speaker 3: it and it got President Trump. Well, Phil says that
Speaker 3: they they had actually got He watched him get off
Speaker 3: the table. Next thing I know, Brian off the stage,
Speaker 3: so he was okay, JD. He said, I didn't see JD.
Speaker 3: Next thing I know, Brian Stelter of CNN is up
Speaker 3: on the stage with a self like doing a selfie
Speaker 3: video like I don't know it was, you know, And
Speaker 3: it's a room full of journalists and so they're all
Speaker 3: got their cameras out doing like live reporting, I think,
Speaker 3: just to record the videos.
Speaker 4: And he joined the split between journalists who filmed events
Speaker 4: around them and the ones taking Celia self videos of themselves.
Speaker 3: So I instantly run over. I was probably about ten
Speaker 3: tables away, twelve tables away from where Erica was seated.
Speaker 3: I ran over there as quickly as I could, because
Speaker 3: it was so crammed and jammed. I could only make
Speaker 3: it over there so quickly, and uh, she had already
Speaker 3: been ushered out. I ran into Harris Faulkner, and I
Speaker 3: ran into Martha McCallum, and they said that they had
Speaker 3: seen Erica get ushered out. She was okay, Harrison, Eric,
Speaker 3: I believe you were under the same table praying when
Speaker 3: it was all happening. And I mean it was a
Speaker 3: terrifying moment. You know, everybody. I got a number of
Speaker 3: texts and calls. Are you okay? Post so called right away,
Speaker 3: Tyler Boyer called right away, and I just you know,
Speaker 3: my phone was blown up. But you know, here's the thing,
Speaker 3: I'm okay. My concern in the moment was just for
Speaker 3: Air Erica, for Mikey others, you know, and you know,
Speaker 3: just to see the way that the reaction has been
Speaker 3: from this moment. We're gonna get into the details. We're
Speaker 3: gonna get into the secret Service, the perimeter. We have
Speaker 3: Susan Crabtree joining us next. We've got a great show
Speaker 3: in store for you. But my reaction is just a
Speaker 3: shock and horror that people are alleging that Erica's reaction
Speaker 3: was somehow you know, performative. Up yours up your tho.
Speaker 2: That's disgusting.
Speaker 3: Secondly, that this was stage to get sympathy for Trump
Speaker 3: or even for Eric or Attorney. Point up yours. This
Speaker 3: is true you, This.
Speaker 2: Is actually a good test.
Speaker 4: Like if you are a person where it is reasonable
Speaker 4: to you that assassination attempts are faked, are staged, just
Speaker 4: stop opining on public events. Because your brain is too
Speaker 4: cooked by television, by movies, by memes you read on
Speaker 4: the Internet to think rationally about things.
Speaker 3: Listen, period. Yeah, I understand COVID that was a hole
Speaker 3: like OP. I get it, the Russia hoax, Op, I
Speaker 3: get there's reasons to be distrustful and to hold elected
Speaker 3: leader's fee to the fire. I'm all on board with that.
Speaker 3: But for real, if you are going to assume that
Speaker 3: everything is the freaking Jews, or everything is some Stage
Speaker 3: five D chess move and that leftists don't want you dead,
Speaker 3: I've got about forty eight minutes of clips loaded up
Speaker 3: today to prove you wrong, to prove that you are
Speaker 3: missing the big E on the eye chart. And I
Speaker 3: said it before, but I'll say it again. When Charlie
Speaker 3: was with us, he was not afraid of the Jews.
Speaker 3: He was afraid of purple haired jahat as that wanted
Speaker 3: him dead. He was afraid of Tranny's he was afraid
Speaker 3: of wild, violent assassination culture that's running a muck on
Speaker 3: the left. And if you can't get it through your
Speaker 3: freaking head yet, I have nothing for you to Blake's point.
Speaker 3: Get off the internet. You are cooked. Your brain is toast,
Speaker 3: wake up. We have put up with deranged leftists politicians
Speaker 3: going to No King's rallies where they're holding signs saying
Speaker 3: kill all tyrants. They almost die. We have a psicher
Speaker 3: saying blood in the streets. We have destiny saying conservatives
Speaker 3: should be terrified of being in public.
Speaker 4: As people were walking out of this event, they passed
Speaker 4: people with signs that said kill all of them, Death
Speaker 4: to tyrant, Death to tyros.
Speaker 3: And those people.
Speaker 4: Knew what had happened, and they'd either made those signs
Speaker 4: in response to what happened, or they decided to waive
Speaker 4: them anyway.
Speaker 2: That is the kind of people.
Speaker 3: You are dealing with it, and we've been putting up with
Speaker 3: it in this country like it's nothing, like this is
Speaker 3: just the new normal. It can't be they want you dead.
Speaker 3: I mean they're not all of them, sure, But then
Speaker 3: the ones that don't they create the permission structure by
Speaker 3: turning the other cheek, looking away, not acknowledging just how
Speaker 3: vile and disgusting the activist base of the left has gotten.
Speaker 3: And guess what the politicians, the Democrats are going to
Speaker 3: say anything, because guess what they'll They'll get primaried if
Speaker 3: they do. They know that, so they stay quiet and
Speaker 3: they blame Trump like cow. It's so, who was this guy?
Speaker 3: Cole Allen real uh, real peach of an individual. Well,
Speaker 3: he was a teacher from California, donated to Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3: He was a member of a group called the White Awakes.
Speaker 2: Oh that's an interesting one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, attended to know King's protest rabid leftist poster on
Speaker 3: Blue Sky who like to interact with Will Stancil. There
Speaker 3: he wrote an anti Trump manifesto and we can We're
Speaker 3: gonna Blake's gonna go god it here.
Speaker 2: It's it's interesting.
Speaker 4: So, I honestly, I find the character of this Cole
Speaker 4: guy a little troubling, just in the sense that he
Speaker 4: doesn't have the biography you might often expect from a
Speaker 4: presidential assassin. He's not an you know, a nineteen twenty year.
Speaker 3: Old indiscernible from Anna Navarro the end.
Speaker 4: The guy, he has a he has a job, had
Speaker 4: a job. Seemed obviously like radical, but he's not this
Speaker 4: non functional type who you know, everyone said, oh, this
Speaker 4: guy was gonna totally go off the deep end and
Speaker 4: kill people. He's like much more just a rabid left
Speaker 4: winger who let his brain get cooked too hard. And
Speaker 4: you can see that when you read his manifesto. As
Speaker 4: a lot of people have pointed out, it's not some
Speaker 4: for you know, two hundred paged unibomber thing rambling about society.
Speaker 4: It's like he's written it as a reddit.
Speaker 3: It's a reddit.
Speaker 4: Literally, Hello, everybody. I may have given a lot of
Speaker 4: people a surprise today. Let me start off by apologizing
Speaker 4: to everyone who's trust I abused. Goes on a bit,
Speaker 4: It's like, why did did I do any of this?
Speaker 4: I am a citizen of the United States. What my
Speaker 4: representatives do reflects on me, and I am no longer
Speaker 4: willing to permit a pedophile, rapist, and trader to CoAP
Speaker 4: my hands with his crimes. And he goes on said,
Speaker 4: talks about who's a.
Speaker 2: Target, who isn't.
Speaker 4: At the end he responds to rebuttals, so including one,
Speaker 4: let's see objection four. As a half black, half white person,
Speaker 4: you shouldn't be the one doing this rebuttal, I don't
Speaker 4: see anyone else picking up the slack. So he's marinating
Speaker 4: in weird race politics stuff. He's totally cooked by basically
Speaker 4: Epstein style stuff. Oh the prosident's so potophile, like completely ludicrous.
Speaker 3: He's really really upset about Ukraine. That's another thing that
Speaker 3: we saw through some of his social media posts. He's
Speaker 3: very upset at JD being proud that we've stopped just
Speaker 3: giving a blake check to Ukraine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he signs off Coal Cold Force like it's
Speaker 4: a username or a video game. Name your friendly federal assassin, Allen.
Speaker 3: Check this out. Rob Henderson put out a tweet. Rob's
Speaker 3: been a guest on the show a couple of times.
Speaker 3: He basically says, relative to Americans with a high school education,
Speaker 3: Americans with graduate degrees are twice as likely to support
Speaker 3: political violence. Throw that up, please, and you see more
Speaker 3: education equals more support for political violence. It couldn't be otherwise.
Speaker 3: You guys have that graphic and here, let's just make
Speaker 3: sure the visual gets up. So the point is, you know,
Speaker 3: this guy was a Caltech grad. He was some people
Speaker 3: call him a genius. I'm not convinced he was a genius.
Speaker 3: But he was a sick person. As Trump said, He's
Speaker 3: an absolute sick person who was highly educated, beyond his intelligence,
Speaker 3: beyond his wisdom. He was a Christian. Now he's he's
Speaker 3: very anti Christian, So that's probably you know, you think
Speaker 3: of the Bible verse, it's like, you know, when the
Speaker 3: house is cleared, the demons go scouring looking for another host,
Speaker 3: and they come back with more friends. This guy might
Speaker 3: might have been demonized. We are in a spiritual battle.
Speaker 3: So I don't know what his story is, but that's
Speaker 3: you know, it is amazing that he just ran through
Speaker 3: the security perimeter and was ultimately subdued right there, somehow
Speaker 3: came out alive. He was running like a bat out
Speaker 3: of hell. And so you know, there's the video right there.
Speaker 3: But this is I think one of the more troubling
Speaker 3: aspects of this whole story is how indiscernible this person is.
Speaker 3: From Will stancl who he interacts with online, from on
Speaker 3: Navarro on CNN, from the you know, the Lincoln Project guys.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is indiscernible from mainstream platformed democrats. I mean.
Speaker 3: And this is the other thing. I'd say, we're gonna
Speaker 3: play these clips because they're absolutely obscene. But you let's
Speaker 3: not forget what they how they reacted when Charlie was killed.
Speaker 3: This is do not forget how vile this has become,
Speaker 3: This assassination gloating, gleeful, sick bile that they spew when
Speaker 3: somebody's life is taken, robbed. Twenty five.
Speaker 5: Where Charlie Kirk just got shot in the net he.
Speaker 3: Jeniy Kirk got shot and he dead.
Speaker 2: Finally, finally, thank you?
Speaker 6: Can we keep this up? Shot right in the voice?
Speaker 7: I might be one person as atheist.
Speaker 8: Today, I don't care that he was a person.
Speaker 1: He wasn't to me, he was an.
Speaker 3: Do you get it yet? Do you get what we've
Speaker 3: been putting up with?
Speaker 2: This is if you're on a certain brand.
Speaker 4: Of the political left, that is what you can marinate
Speaker 4: in every day. There's endless stuff after this where the
Speaker 4: people are saying, oh, you know, too bad they didn't
Speaker 4: get Trump. They've said that after every single attempt on Trump,
Speaker 4: and if that assassin had succeeded and killed the president,
Speaker 4: what they saw, what we saw with Charlie one hundred times,
Speaker 4: over a thousand times over around the entire world. And
Speaker 4: I don't think knowing that that would happen. It's very
Speaker 4: difficult to walk back and have some of these people
Speaker 4: who are justifying the rhetoric of assassinations all the time say, actually,
Speaker 4: we oppose political violence very often the left does not
Speaker 4: oppose political violence. We know that because within the past
Speaker 4: few years they have openly embraced political violence.
Speaker 3: Of times, that's what twenty Look at this, Look at this.
Speaker 3: This is Hassan Piker, who we talked about recently on
Speaker 3: the show talking about Somebody's got to do it. It'st
Speaker 3: nineteen and you actually wrote about this and it was
Speaker 3: a great video where you talked about, you know, someone
Speaker 3: has to do it.
Speaker 9: See when I say that, everyone knows exactly what I
Speaker 9: mean that which which is.
Speaker 7: I think that shows that there is a lot of anger,
Speaker 7: a lot of resentment, and untapped potential, untapped revolutionary potential
Speaker 7: as a matter.
Speaker 3: Of fact, Okay, untapped revolutionary Okay, do you so? Just
Speaker 3: to be clear what Hassan Piker's This is a guy
Speaker 3: that The New York Times just did a whole podcast with,
Speaker 3: like it's nothing.
Speaker 4: Not even just a podcast with. There's extensive discourse on
Speaker 4: the left like should we embrace Hassan Piker, And a
Speaker 4: lot of them are saying, yes, this is how we
Speaker 4: get our left wing. Joe roganis, we have to embrace
Speaker 4: Hassan Piker. We have to embrace this guy who's going
Speaker 4: to say, eh, yes, sometimes sometimes murdery, they were socially murdering.
Speaker 4: It's really self defense to assassinate somebody. Sometimes robbery looting,
Speaker 4: you know, that can defend.
Speaker 3: That too, But I but never mind, it's it's probably
Speaker 3: just the Jews. It's probably just the Jews. That's who
Speaker 3: did it. Like if you go online, that's probably who
Speaker 3: did it. It's just a big masade up just to
Speaker 3: get sympathy. Pretty sick stuff. I don't even know where
Speaker 3: to begin with some of you. It's that upscene. Now
Speaker 3: we're going to turn our attention to the security situation
Speaker 3: around the event. There's been a lot of discussion about
Speaker 3: was it secure enough? Should you know this was a
Speaker 3: this call on guy who was a guest at the hotel.
Speaker 3: I've stayed at that hotel a number of times. You
Speaker 3: all have stayed at hotels. I'm sure you do not
Speaker 3: get your bag swept checked, you know, dog sniffer, none
Speaker 3: of that. There's no magnetometers when you enter a hotel room.
Speaker 3: Should there have been? Should the perimeter have gone outside
Speaker 3: and beyond where it was? But there's a you know,
Speaker 3: Charlie actually had tweeted about the Secret Service having a
Speaker 3: massive moral morale problem during the Biden years, that a
Speaker 3: lot of people were retiring, fleeing, and how big of
Speaker 3: an issue that was when you had so much violence
Speaker 3: aimed and directed at President Trump. Saw that at Butler,
Speaker 3: we saw it at the golf course in Florida. Now
Speaker 3: we see it at the White House correspondence dinner, and
Speaker 3: we see it in other places. Candidly, there was a
Speaker 3: guy that we forget who tried to attack mar A Lago. Right,
Speaker 3: So there's been multiple instances of this and then multiple
Speaker 3: other instances of political violence. You need the Secret Service
Speaker 3: to be absolutely on point, and Blake, I'd be curious
Speaker 3: about your perspective, just not having been there. I have
Speaker 3: my own from Well.
Speaker 4: It is interesting, as you said, So for those who
Speaker 4: don't know, a lot of the debate is as you said,
Speaker 4: it was the security strong enough, because in some sense
Speaker 4: it was the Secret Service can't prevent someone from attempting
Speaker 4: to break through, and in this case, he did fail
Speaker 4: within seconds, and that's a good thing. The debate was
Speaker 4: was he too close? Was the president and too much danger?
Speaker 4: And a lot of people have said, well, the whole
Speaker 4: hotel should have been within this.
Speaker 2: Secret Service perimeter.
Speaker 4: But I think what we saw might have vindicated their
Speaker 4: strategy because think about if their perimeter was the entire hotel,
Speaker 4: then they do have to search every single guest who
Speaker 4: checks in that hotel in advance. They have to search
Speaker 4: every single room to make sure it's secure in a
Speaker 4: place with hundreds of rooms.
Speaker 3: He wrote about it's difficult. Yeah, he wrote about in
Speaker 3: his manifesto. He was mocking how easy it was for
Speaker 3: him to get into the hotel assemble the weapon there
Speaker 3: and that you know, yeah, he basically said, I could
Speaker 3: have brought a bomb in there, and you know it
Speaker 3: would have been They didn't even precisely.
Speaker 4: But the thing is he wasn't inside the perimeter, and
Speaker 4: so he attempted to reach the ballroom and immediately failed
Speaker 4: and didn't even get on my understanding, he didn't even
Speaker 4: get to the same floor. Yeah, the president was on.
Speaker 3: We have yeah, excuse me, we do have Susan Crabtree
Speaker 3: ready now, Susan, welcome back to the show. Where that
Speaker 3: there's a lot of debate about the success or, I
Speaker 3: don't know, the failure of the Secret Service. There was
Speaker 3: a sense of in retrospect that it was a lack
Speaker 3: of security in that perimeter. I will say it did
Speaker 3: seem a little bit lax. But to Blake's point, the
Speaker 3: guy didn't get He didn't really breach the perimeter per se.
Speaker 3: It was on the floor above. He breached it momentarily
Speaker 3: before they subdued him. He ran right through it. What
Speaker 3: are people saying that you're interviewing, I know you're talking
Speaker 3: to all the sources right now.
Speaker 10: Yes, they're flooding me with information, But yes, I honestly
Speaker 10: I always say that these agents acted heroically. They subdued
Speaker 10: and they interdicted this terrible mad man guy, and so
Speaker 10: they deserve praise for that. But the larger plan, I don't.
Speaker 10: I think it's similar to Butler. These secret Service agents,
Speaker 10: rank and file secret Service agents and officers were set
Speaker 10: up to fail. They did, and it failed. It was lucky,
Speaker 10: honestly to me from my sources, there are many of
Speaker 10: them that inundate me after things like this happen, and
Speaker 10: they are saying that this is just an epic failure.
Speaker 10: They were using the twenty twenty three Biden model on
Speaker 10: President Trump. It's similar to what happened during Butler that
Speaker 10: they treated Bunald Trump like a former president, like President
Speaker 10: Obama or Jimmy Carter, not someone who broke the mold
Speaker 10: when it comes to threats against him and having outdoor
Speaker 10: rallies with tens of thousands of people. In this case,
Speaker 10: they did not treat the Secret Service, did not treat
Speaker 10: this as a special national security event like the State
Speaker 10: of the Union or inauguration, despite the fact that there
Speaker 10: were so many Cabinet members there. And you know, I
Speaker 10: have covered the Secret Services problems. I've been warning about
Speaker 10: this for months and months. It seems like it takes
Speaker 10: one of these events for Washington to focus on what's
Speaker 10: going on with the Secret Service. I don't believe that
Speaker 10: Sean Kerran is the change agent. Dan Bongino also warned
Speaker 10: about that when he was chosen, and before he was chosen,
Speaker 10: that the Secret Service needs to reform what the mess
Speaker 10: it was under the Biden administration and for many many
Speaker 10: years before that.
Speaker 4: So, Susan, what are the specific shortcomings they're pointing to
Speaker 4: in terms of design. Is it just the perimeter was
Speaker 4: too small? Is it that the agents there weren't enough
Speaker 4: agents there?
Speaker 3: In general?
Speaker 4: What are the sort of changes that we might expect
Speaker 4: as a result of this.
Speaker 10: This is one of the last lines of defense. You
Speaker 10: know that magnometer checkpoint that should not been have been
Speaker 10: where you put the where you're interdicting somebody like this.
Speaker 10: The stairwell was completely unsecured that he ran down. The
Speaker 10: hotel is probably not a proper venue anymore for someone
Speaker 10: like Donald Trump and his cabinet. You cannot unless you
Speaker 10: are willing to have the hotel only accept vetted guests
Speaker 10: who are affiliated with the secrets with the event, and
Speaker 10: the Secret Service has a chance to look at their backgrounds,
Speaker 10: or you could have in other countries they do this.
Speaker 10: You have checks days prior to people checking into the hotel.
Speaker 10: Their luggage got checked. There were reports that reporters were
Speaker 10: checking into the hotel at three pm that day and
Speaker 10: their luggage never checked. Whatsoever they are They weren't even
Speaker 10: checked for their ID versus their ticket, and their ticket
Speaker 10: tickets were being flashed. I don't know. You've been at
Speaker 10: this event many times. I've been to this event dating
Speaker 10: back to the nineties. It's always a soft target in
Speaker 10: my estimation, and so why did not that not get hardened.
Speaker 10: They used the old model and that's not appropriate right now.
Speaker 10: It's the same problem that happened Butler.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think you're right. You know, it's
Speaker 3: interesting there was a bunch of accusations going around on
Speaker 3: social media because and I was one of the people
Speaker 3: that was accused. I tweeted immediately after, like, this is
Speaker 3: why we need the White House ballroom because and there
Speaker 3: was you know, accusations that it was coordinator or something. No,
Speaker 3: it's just an obvious thought that popped in my head.
Speaker 3: When you have President Trump, you talk about the old
Speaker 3: model versus the new model. I don't know that there
Speaker 3: will be a president that fits into the old model ever. Again,
Speaker 3: I don't know if we're living in a brave new
Speaker 3: world and this is just the new reality. So my
Speaker 3: thought was, at least at the White House, you don't
Speaker 3: have guests staying in the hotel that could have you know,
Speaker 3: packed in a bomb or packed in a like a
Speaker 3: long rifle or shotgun or knives like they did. And
Speaker 3: I think at the very least, if you know that
Speaker 3: somebody is going to be staying in that hotel when
Speaker 3: President Trump is going to be there, not to mention
Speaker 3: all the cabinets, the line of succession, I mean, there
Speaker 3: was JD. Vance, Marco Rubio, Scott Bessett, there was I
Speaker 3: mean speaker Johnson, I mean there was. The room was
Speaker 3: packed with the who's who, and so, yeah, it is
Speaker 3: a huge vulnerable target and there was, and I would
Speaker 3: say the security you didn't get checked until you got
Speaker 3: really close in to that ballroom. So yeah, obviously the
Speaker 3: model has to change. You reported Susan that Susie Wilds
Speaker 3: has been overseeing the Secret Service kind of as part
Speaker 3: of her portfolio. And they're standing by the work of
Speaker 3: the Secret Service. But they did call a meeting of
Speaker 3: some sorts. What can you report on that, Yes, they.
Speaker 10: Called a meeting to go review protocols exactly what we're
Speaker 10: talking about. They have to say that the Secret Service
Speaker 10: did a great job. I know there were men and
Speaker 10: women that acted heroically and I applaud them. They prevented
Speaker 10: a greater tragedy. But it should have never got to
Speaker 10: this point. They had Cabinet secretaries and dignitaries and Erica
Speaker 10: under the tables fearing for their lives. This is an
Speaker 10: embarrassment for the United States, and the Secret Service could
Speaker 10: have prevented this. It was highly preventable, and moving the
Speaker 10: security outside would have been one step. All the steps
Speaker 10: that I just outlined even the magnometers. That checkpoint was
Speaker 10: being broken down, and they were acting very idly. You
Speaker 10: don't they were not in a robust posture when that
Speaker 10: came in. And I don't necessarily blame the agents, the
Speaker 10: rank and file agents and officers. I blame the supervisors.
Speaker 10: And it's the same thing at Butler. There were two
Speaker 10: supervisors that signed off on that security report, that plan
Speaker 10: without anyone covering the AhR building and those security those
Speaker 10: supervisors got promotions, and one of them is in charge
Speaker 10: of the Office of Professional Responsibility, which is in charge
Speaker 10: of disciplining other agents. That is ridiculous. When they did,
Speaker 10: they did not notify and tell that tell the officer
Speaker 10: this woman who was inexperiences. Congongress found that she was inexperienced.
Speaker 10: Her name is Mio Perez, who was in charge of
Speaker 10: charge of Butler. Now we're having a similar problem take place.
Speaker 10: Why were those agents and officers sitting idly there? They
Speaker 10: reacted quickly, Thank goodness, because of their training and the
Speaker 10: training they go through is so extensive, and they put
Speaker 10: their lives on the line and they did so that night.
Speaker 10: Thank them. I'm so thankful to them. Our continuity of
Speaker 10: government thanks them. We I'm just but it should have
Speaker 10: never gotten planning. Wait, it's the planning.
Speaker 3: It's the planning. You're right, because I mean I was
Speaker 3: in the room and I felt the urgency of those
Speaker 3: Secret Service agents. I remember thinking, don't do it, don't
Speaker 3: move quickly. I don't want them to think I'm a
Speaker 3: thread or something like that. I remember being that was
Speaker 3: one of the biggest points of fear for me, is like,
Speaker 3: just stay low, don't make any sudden movements. Because you
Speaker 3: could feel the intensity that those men were climbing over
Speaker 3: the chairs and climbing up onto the stage. I mean,
Speaker 3: it was a very there was a lot of just
Speaker 3: energy coming from them, and I call it like violent urgency.
Speaker 3: You could feel that they meant business in that moment.
Speaker 3: So I totally I'm grateful for them. Blake brought up
Speaker 3: an interesting point here, Susan. So you know a lot
Speaker 3: of people think, oh, secret services guarding the event, we're
Speaker 3: all safe. Well, when we all exited that venue, what's
Speaker 3: to say there wasn't. If he wasn't a lone wolf,
Speaker 3: lone gunman, what's to say we wouldn't have exited that venue,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, there's you know, somebody perched
Speaker 3: up high and it just takes out all the elites.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so President Trump, the cabinet, they entered and
Speaker 4: left through a different way, secured by the Secret Service,
Speaker 4: but everyone else was sort of.
Speaker 2: Just funneling out in a narrow line.
Speaker 4: That's where they were passing those people with the signs
Speaker 4: that said kill them all, death to tyrants. Imagine if
Speaker 4: one of those people had an AR fifteen instead and
Speaker 4: started spraying into that crowd, they could have killed a
Speaker 4: huge number of people. And I think that's a lot
Speaker 4: of the security discourse is sort of all the normal people,
Speaker 4: still noteworthy individuals, all of them realizing that they were
Speaker 4: basically unprotected at this time.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, and it's a good point because if you
Speaker 3: go to Blue Sky, which this shooter was very active
Speaker 3: on Blue Sky, which is basically a breeding ground for
Speaker 3: domestic terrorists at this point. They they hate elites. So
Speaker 3: you got Taylor Lorenz, who's kind of a despicable person herself,
Speaker 3: and was, you know, fangirling over Luigi Mangioni. She's getting
Speaker 3: canceled on Blue Sky because she's an elite. She was
Speaker 3: going to a fascist party and they don't care. Once
Speaker 3: they cast to get you as the elite, as part
Speaker 3: of the class. That is, you know, uh, totally fair game.
Speaker 3: She's getting canceled on Blue Sky. So what's to say that,
Speaker 3: you know, Nora O'Donnell and all these people that I
Speaker 3: saw walking around weren't fair game as we were funneling
Speaker 3: out of the venue. I mean, this is the assassination
Speaker 3: culture that they're creating, that they can be this martyr
Speaker 3: for the cause and effect change. You know. The point is,
Speaker 3: I mean you have a lot of thoughts on the
Speaker 3: security situation here, Susan. I know. Oh, but the point
Speaker 3: is we have a deeper problem, which is why the
Speaker 3: model needs to get updated, because things are simply less safe.
Speaker 10: Absolutely. I don't think that you can have a situation.
Speaker 10: Trump broke the mold, okay, he is. He just is
Speaker 10: facing so many more threats, and it's it's ridiculous to
Speaker 10: use the Biden model from twenty twenty three at the
Speaker 10: White House Correspondent's Dinner and think that that is going
Speaker 10: to not be permeated. This is a porous security system
Speaker 10: that was put in place last night. It's been the
Speaker 10: same model that I've gone to since the nineties. At
Speaker 10: the White House Correspondence dinner, said I'm going to date myself,
Speaker 10: Speaker Livingstone. I remember going back there been I've gone
Speaker 10: so many times. I remember talking about this with my husband,
Speaker 10: who is a former Navy officer, and he has set
Speaker 10: this we are soft talk, said this, you're sitting there
Speaker 10: with you know, celebrities. I remember sitting there with the
Speaker 10: Homeland the celebrity from Homeland. She said, I can't believe
Speaker 10: we're exposed like this. We're just standing in line. And
Speaker 10: they didn't do anything different. And I'll tell you one thing.
Speaker 10: The Senior Executive Service, that is the the top upper
Speaker 10: management of the Secret Service, Sean Curran is not did
Speaker 10: not actually use someone who had that kind of accreditation
Speaker 10: to head to be the special Agent in charge of
Speaker 10: the Protective Division, the Presidential Protective Division. That's a change,
Speaker 10: and that's one of my sources brought that to my
Speaker 10: attention in the last twenty four hours. He too, Shaan
Speaker 10: Kurran didn't have that accreditation because he was a former
Speaker 10: They treated him as working for a former president, even
Speaker 10: though this is an unusual situation where President Trump was
Speaker 10: a former president running for president. Again, this is just me, honestly,
Speaker 10: I have some exclusive reporting to share with you. Susie Wiles,
Speaker 10: I'm told, was overseeing the Secret Service, the chief of Staff,
Speaker 10: the White House chief of Staff, and she was pushing back.
Speaker 10: There were several incidents that I reported on. The Chief
Speaker 10: Council was handpicked by Sean Kerr, and he got into
Speaker 10: a road rage incident and was impersonating a Secret Service officer,
Speaker 10: so he was forced to resign. The DH Christy Nome
Speaker 10: wanted to put a political chief Counsel in place to
Speaker 10: sort of initiate some of these reforms. I'm told the
Speaker 10: White House would not approve of that. Susie Wiles would
Speaker 10: not approve of that. They had a deputy chief of
Speaker 10: Staff from DHS go over to the Secret Service to
Speaker 10: share recommendations for reform, and I'm told that Susan the
Speaker 10: Sean Kerran called over to Susie Wiles, and Susie Wiles
Speaker 10: said no and had him walked out of the building. Now,
Speaker 10: I went to the White House today and shared these
Speaker 10: findings with her from these sources, and they gave me
Speaker 10: a statement and I'll read it to you. Let me
Speaker 10: be clear, this is from Caroline Lovett. Let me be clear.
Speaker 10: Nobody cares more or has pushed harder or has asked
Speaker 10: more hard questions about President Trump's safety than Susie Wiles.
Speaker 10: The insinuation that Susie would object to anything that would
Speaker 10: help strength and protection for her boss and friend is
Speaker 10: absolutely absurd. But they did not address my questions about
Speaker 10: whether she had this jeopardy. Chief of staff at DHS
Speaker 10: walked out of the building for trying to share reforms
Speaker 10: with the Secret Service and oversee some reforms.
Speaker 3: That's troubling. Yeah, I mean, you know, both things can
Speaker 3: be true, right, that Susie Wiles does care deeply about
Speaker 3: his safety and protection, and that ultimately something else could
Speaker 3: be going on behind the scenes. You know that we're
Speaker 3: unaware of of what would explain those actions. It's great reporting, Susan,
Speaker 3: thank you for sharing that. You said, brand new exclusive
Speaker 3: reporting that you just got. Okay, well, that's fascinating. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know what to make of that, actually, you
Speaker 3: kind of I don't know if Blake you have thoughts here,
Speaker 3: But it's troubling because there are obviously reforms that need
Speaker 3: to be implemented. Wider perimeter, you know, checks multi levels
Speaker 3: of security, and you've made a good point earlier Susan
Speaker 3: where you said, you know, they have to say that
Speaker 3: the security was stood up and that these that they
Speaker 3: did their job heroically and all this stuff. And they did,
Speaker 3: but from a planning perspective and from a leadership perspective,
Speaker 3: you know, Like I said, Charlie was tweeting about the
Speaker 3: morale issues. I'm curious if we're still experiencing those, if
Speaker 3: that's still part of the storyline of the US Secret
Speaker 3: Service now well into Trump's second year, Here are you
Speaker 3: still Is the Secret Service morale been cleared up? Is
Speaker 3: some of the hiring issues been cleared up? I see
Speaker 3: you shake it.
Speaker 10: Absolutely not, absolutely not. That is a critical issue. Andrew,
Speaker 10: you just nailed it. The Secret Service is having severe
Speaker 10: hiring issues. Rich Star Aripoli, who was a former Secret
Speaker 10: Service agent, covered for presidents. He wrote it op ed.
Speaker 10: He's the source of mind. He wrote a op ed
Speaker 10: in the Fox News just last week about this very issue,
Speaker 10: that the hiring standards have been severely lowered because there's
Speaker 10: a brain drain, there's a talent drain in the Secret
Speaker 10: Service that's been going on for quite some time, because
Speaker 10: morale issues has been plaguing the Secret Service for years.
Speaker 10: But they were exacerbated during the Biden administration when Biden
Speaker 10: had a DEI mandate in place, saying that you will
Speaker 10: hire more women and you will hire more.
Speaker 3: Minds been fixed yet, huh.
Speaker 10: Absolutely not. That's one thing I've been reported on repeatedly.
Speaker 10: There was so many different people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody to wrap up this hour, but that's troubling.
Speaker 3: As you learn more. I want to have you back
Speaker 3: on to give us updates here because the eyes of
Speaker 3: the nation and the world are on this now. Susan Crabtree,
Speaker 3: real clear politics. Thank you so much, thanks for having me.
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Speaker 5: Has to say, as I told many of you on
Speaker 5: Friday afternoon, I thought that would be my last time
Speaker 5: taking your questions until after my maternity leave. But given
Speaker 5: the attempted assassination of the President and quote top Trump
Speaker 5: administration officials as the depraved shooter noted in his manifesto
Speaker 5: at the White House Correspondence Association dinner on Saturday evening,
Speaker 5: I felt it was prudent to be here today to
Speaker 5: answer your questions and inform the American people about how
Speaker 5: the administration is responding to yet another attempt on President
Speaker 5: Trump's life. Saturday was supposed to be a joyful evening
Speaker 5: celebrating free speech in the First Amendment with all of
Speaker 5: you members of the press. Instead, the night was hijacked
Speaker 5: by a crazed anti Trump individual who traveled across the
Speaker 5: country to assassinate the President and as many administration officials
Speaker 5: as possible. This is the third major assassination attempt against
Speaker 5: President Trump in two years. No other president in history
Speaker 5: has faced such repeated, serious attempts.
Speaker 4: On his life.
Speaker 5: First, and foremost, the President, the First Lady, and everyone
Speaker 5: in this White House are extraordinarily grateful to the brave
Speaker 5: law enforcement professionals who sprang into action to apprehend the
Speaker 5: would be assassin and keep all of us safe. The
Speaker 5: President would especially like to express his gratitude to the
Speaker 5: men and women of the United States Secret Service who
Speaker 5: acted with the utmost professionalism, courage, and sense of duty.
Speaker 5: This includes the heroic agent who took a bullet to
Speaker 5: the chest. Thankfully, he was saved by his bulletproof vest.
Speaker 5: Minutes after returning here to the White House to the
Speaker 5: Oval Office, despite fighting Secret Service to try to stay
Speaker 5: and keep the dinner going on Saturday ahead of addressing
Speaker 5: you here in the briefing room, President Trump was intent
Speaker 5: on speaking to this brave agent to ensure he was okay,
Speaker 5: and the agent.
Speaker 10: Assured the President that he was.
Speaker 5: As you know, I was seated next to President Trump
Speaker 5: and the First Lady when the shots were fired, before
Speaker 5: our Secret Service swiftly moved us to safety backstage. The
Speaker 5: presidents came in the face of chaos while yet another
Speaker 5: individual was trying to take his life. Was really remarkable
Speaker 5: to witness and it's something I will never forget. President
Speaker 5: Trump is fearless because he loves this country and he
Speaker 5: is willing to put his own life on the line
Speaker 5: to deliver on the promises that he made to the
Speaker 5: American public who elected him here into the highest office
Speaker 5: in the land. And while we are blessed to have
Speaker 5: a fearless president, we should not live in a country
Speaker 5: where such constant fear of political violence permeates our society.
Speaker 5: Every single day. We can, and we should have fierce
Speaker 5: disagreement in this country. As you all know, we disagree
Speaker 5: often myself and this role in all of you in
Speaker 5: the news media. But those disagreements must remain peaceful. Debating, peaceful, protesting,
Speaker 5: and voting are how we need to settle disagreements, not bullets.
Speaker 5: Nobody in recent years has more bullets and more violence
Speaker 5: than President Trump. This political violence stems from a systemic
Speaker 5: demonization of him and his supporters by commentators, yes, by
Speaker 5: elected members of the Democrat Party, and even some in
Speaker 5: the media.
Speaker 3: This hateful and.
Speaker 5: Constant and violent rhetoric directed at President Trump day after
Speaker 5: day after day for eleven years, has helped legitimize this
Speaker 5: violence and bring us to this dark moment. Those who
Speaker 5: constantly falsely label and slander the president as a fascist,
Speaker 5: as a threat to democracy, and compare him to Hitler
Speaker 5: to score political points are fueling this kind of violence.
Speaker 5: The left wing cult of hatred against the president and
Speaker 5: all of those who support him and work for him,
Speaker 5: has gotten multiple people hurt and killed, and it almost
Speaker 5: did so again this weekend. When you read the manifesto
Speaker 5: of this shooter, ask yourselves how different is the rhetoric
Speaker 5: from this almost as SaaS and then what you read
Speaker 5: on social media and here in various forums every single day.
Speaker 5: The answer, if you're being honest with yourself, is that
Speaker 5: there is no difference at all. Much of the manifesto
Speaker 5: of the would be assassin is indistinguishable from the words
Speaker 5: that we hear daily from so many. For example, as
Speaker 5: the First Lady of the United States pointed out this morning,
Speaker 5: just two days prior to the shooting, ABC's late night
Speaker 5: host Jimmy Kemmel disgustingly called First Lady Milania Trump an
Speaker 5: expectant widow who, in their right minds says a wife
Speaker 5: would be glowing over the potential murder of her beloved husband.
Speaker 5: And having experienced what I did with the First Lady
Speaker 5: on Saturday night, I can tell you that she was
Speaker 5: anything but that this kind of rhetoric about the President,
Speaker 5: the First Lady, and his supporters is completely deranged, and
Speaker 5: it's unbelievable that the American people are consuming it night
Speaker 5: after night after night. As President Trump said on Saturday
Speaker 5: night at this podium, we as Americans must recommit ourselves
Speaker 5: to resolve our differences peacefully in uniting around the shared
Speaker 5: values that make our country great. The deranged lies and
Speaker 5: smears against the President, his family, his supporters have led
Speaker 5: crazy people to believe crazy things, and they are inspired
Speaker 5: to commit violence because of those words.
Speaker 3: It has to stop.
Speaker 5: And one more point, Saturday night served as yet another
Speaker 5: reminder of how important it is to fund the Department
Speaker 5: of Homeland Security. It is shameful that the United States
Speaker 5: Congress has kept this vital agency defunded for seventy three days,
Speaker 5: the longest shutdown of a federal agency in US history.
Speaker 5: The Secret Service is a vital component of DHS. It
Speaker 5: has been directly impacted by this reckless political gamesmanship. Everyone
Speaker 5: in this room who was there on Saturday night witnessed
Speaker 5: the heroes of Secret Service and federal law enforcement jump
Speaker 5: into action in the face of grave danger and uncertainty.
Speaker 5: Agents put their own lives in harm's way to protect
Speaker 5: the President, the First Lady, the Vice President, and members
Speaker 5: of the Cabinet. One agent can be seen in video
Speaker 5: footage literally jumping onto the stage, not knowing where the
Speaker 5: attacker was or where the bullets were coming from at
Speaker 5: that point, to place his body in front of the
Speaker 5: President of the United States. These men and women are heroes.
Speaker 5: They perform their duties daily, and they have children and
Speaker 5: families too, and they do it despite the political turmoil
Speaker 5: surrounding their agency. Make no mistake, this defunding of DHS
Speaker 5: should be a national scandal. If Republicans defunded DHS and
Speaker 5: we saw in another attempted assassination on a Democrat president,
Speaker 5: I would hope that the media coverage would be relentless
Speaker 5: and unforgiving, and I hope that it continues to be now,
Speaker 5: with the World Cup America two fifty, the twenty twenty
Speaker 5: eight Olympics in a presidential election all ahead. The Democrats'
Speaker 5: obstruction is placing an enormous and totally pointless burden on
Speaker 5: the Secret Service that can get more people killed. Enough
Speaker 5: is enough. There should be no further debate about this.
Speaker 5: Democrats need to do what President Trump has been calling
Speaker 5: on them to do for seventy three days in a
Speaker 5: row and fund the Department of Homeland Security. Period, this
Speaker 5: is a national emergency, and every member of Congress needs
Speaker 5: to put their country over party and get the Department
Speaker 5: of Homeland Security funded with that. I will take a
Speaker 5: few of your questions today.
Speaker 3: So powerful statements from Caroline Levitt, but I'm still kind
Speaker 3: of left wondering, like action. If this is urgent in
Speaker 3: a national emergency, then where's the action. Aaron McIntyre joins us.
Speaker 3: He's from Blaze TV. He's got a great show, great
Speaker 3: follow on X, great thinker or in you and I
Speaker 3: were texting. I mean, it just feels like this problem
Speaker 3: is something we've kicked down the rays can We've keep
Speaker 3: kicking down the road, and we're not dealing with an
Speaker 3: underlying issue of what we've allowed to be normalized. And
Speaker 3: the longer we put it off, the more radical the
Speaker 3: solution becomes.
Speaker 9: Your thoughts are, yeah, I think this is Obviously Donald
Speaker 9: Trump has received many different death threats and assassination attempts
Speaker 9: from very early on, and of course these have only
Speaker 9: accelerated with a level of permissiveness that we've seen. Obviously,
Speaker 9: I don't need to tell anybody on the Charlie Kirk
Speaker 9: Show about the horrific nature of left wing violence and
Speaker 9: the incredible cost that the right is incurring that America
Speaker 9: is incurring because of what's going on. It's great to
Speaker 9: talk about they need to fund the Department of Homeland Security.
Speaker 9: It's good to say that we need to finish the
Speaker 9: ballroom to make sure that everyone is secure. But as
Speaker 9: you say, all of this feels like we are not
Speaker 9: addressing an underlying issue. Now, I will say, obviously, we
Speaker 9: just saw the Trump administration take its first big blow
Speaker 9: I think, against the leftist NGO violence machine, the one
Speaker 9: that pushes the rhetoric that encourages attacks on people like
Speaker 9: Donald Trump or Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 6: When they went after the SPLC.
Speaker 9: I can't help but notice that just a few days
Speaker 9: after they take this definitive action, for the first time,
Speaker 9: we see an assassination.
Speaker 6: I don't know if there's a direct connection, but it's.
Speaker 9: Very clear that the left is pretty used to having
Speaker 9: a free hand with the encouraging of violence and covering
Speaker 9: up that violence.
Speaker 6: And so the fact that the Trump.
Speaker 9: Administrations is finally putting pressure on organizations like the SPLC
Speaker 9: making them pay some kind of real cost for this
Speaker 9: is critical, and I think we need to see a
Speaker 9: lot more of that as soon as possible.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, listen, you're talking about the mainstreaming of
Speaker 3: this stuff. What Caroline said is absolutely right. It is
Speaker 3: indistinguishable from the type of rhetoric this guy used on
Speaker 3: Blue Sky, from Anna Navarro, from any number Hassan Pike
Speaker 3: or Destiny, all these people when they talk about you know, Trump, JB.
Speaker 3: Pritzker just doubled down Oran talking about how it's actually
Speaker 3: just Trump who's the one who's been calling for political violence.
Speaker 3: How many times more times do we need to be
Speaker 3: like the ones on the other side of an assassin's
Speaker 3: bullet or an assassination attempt before they own up to
Speaker 3: the fact that they're encouraging this amongst their own fault
Speaker 3: and whitewashing it, going to No King's rallies where the
Speaker 3: signs are held up saying let's kill all tyrants. Somebody's
Speaker 3: got to do it, and acting like it's totally normal,
Speaker 3: and they're just, oh, well, they're justified to be so upset, Oran,
Speaker 3: They're just they had it coming. They shouldn't be such
Speaker 3: bad people if they don't want to get shot. They
Speaker 3: have been normalizing this, and yet they keep saying it's
Speaker 3: both sides, both sides issue. You got Obama going, you know,
Speaker 3: we got to tone down the you know, no more
Speaker 3: political violence. While we don't know what his motive was.
Speaker 3: It's like read the manifesto. It's like he was watching MSNBC,
Speaker 3: like ms now whatever you want to call it, that's
Speaker 3: the motivation, Like how what more do we need? And
Speaker 3: this both sides ism, I'm so sick of it. I
Speaker 3: don't want to hear another word about it orin your reaction.
Speaker 9: No, it's absolutely insane. But of course left can't admit
Speaker 9: any of this. There They've been using violence, unadulterated violence.
Speaker 6: For years like that.
Speaker 9: This is how the left operated in the sixties and
Speaker 9: the seventies. If you look back at the anti war
Speaker 9: civil rights movement, we have the whole days of rage
Speaker 9: with the weather underground and the bombings that the left
Speaker 9: continuously used. They were so violent that eventually Richard Nixon
Speaker 9: ran one of the most famous campaign as in history,
Speaker 9: promising to tamp down on the rampant left wing terrorism
Speaker 9: that was running across the nation.
Speaker 6: So this is a long standing leftist tradition.
Speaker 9: The left rely on this open ability to do violence
Speaker 9: on one side and expect no repercussions. And if the
Speaker 9: right even hints at the possibility that they might in
Speaker 9: some way get kinetic, obviously we see what happened to
Speaker 9: protesters in January sixth. The right has to start taking
Speaker 9: this seriously. They have to crack down. They have to
Speaker 9: destroy the lives of people who want to murder the president,
Speaker 9: who encourage the murder of conservatives who are out there
Speaker 9: peddling violence as a solution to political problems. Violence is
Speaker 9: an incredibly u the destabilizing element in any political system.
Speaker 9: If you look at something like the Spanish Civil War
Speaker 9: and the lead up to that Spanish Civil War, it
Speaker 9: was an assassination after assassination of right wing figures that
Speaker 9: ultimately drove people like Francisco Franco into power. People tell
Speaker 9: me that they're concerned, learned about the possible rise of authoritarianism,
Speaker 9: or you know, the right wings certain to use power
Speaker 9: in some terrible way. Well, the best way to head
Speaker 9: that off is to address issues like this now, because
Speaker 9: if you don't, if you allow the violence to build,
Speaker 9: if you allow things to continue to stabilize, people will
Speaker 9: look for someone who can return order, and they will
Speaker 9: look for whoever will do it.
Speaker 6: However, they will get it done.
Speaker 3: It's a powerful insight. Or And I think you're right.
Speaker 3: The the fix becomes increasingly drastic and draconian if the
Speaker 3: Left does not get their people into into order, if
Speaker 3: they don't stop this incendiary rhetoric and whitewashing the people
Speaker 3: that are using it supporting them, the fix gets more
Speaker 3: and more intense and less less enjoyable. I can tell
Speaker 3: you that. Or And I want to read this tweet
Speaker 3: or at least part of it from John Favreau, former
Speaker 3: speech writer for Obama, one of the uh what is it?
Speaker 3: What's the podcast called God America? Since your question, do
Speaker 3: Trump supporters who genuinely want to reduce political violence actually
Speaker 3: think that lobbing transparently hypocritical accusations about the left rhetoric
Speaker 3: is in any way effective? Are we really going to
Speaker 3: go through another cycle where MAGA folks point out in
Speaker 3: cndiary rhetoric on the left without ever acknowledging that some
Speaker 3: of the most violent and thencendiary rhetoric in America comes
Speaker 3: from President the president and his supporters. Do you not
Speaker 3: think that the rest of the country has eyes and ears?
Speaker 3: I genuinely don't know what the hell he's talking about,
Speaker 3: because when I play the clips or in let's I'll
Speaker 3: just pick I have. I have a grab bag here,
Speaker 3: the team gave me so many. Here here's Destiny talking
Speaker 3: about how close he came to driving to some guy's
Speaker 3: house and shooting him. It's not twenty one.
Speaker 11: I was, so you have known, Like it's actually kind
Speaker 11: of scary, like how close I was to getting people
Speaker 11: together to go down to his house and kill him
Speaker 11: and his family.
Speaker 6: I is so closely to address.
Speaker 11: I have streets mapped out in every you have no idea.
Speaker 11: That's when I first had to get an interest in,
Speaker 11: like owning a weapon. I got a permit to own
Speaker 11: a gun and everything.
Speaker 3: Okay, how about this? This is a som piker The
Speaker 3: New York Times Golden Boy. Uh twenty hurt poor.
Speaker 9: People that they can they they can afford housing in Berkeley.
Speaker 6: I don't know how well.
Speaker 7: My understanding is that the property owners who have properties
Speaker 7: there choose just not to print it at all.
Speaker 11: Yeah, kill them, kill those, murder those in the street,
Speaker 11: let the streets, Let the streets soak in their red
Speaker 11: capitalist bloods.
Speaker 3: Dude, So I don't know what John Favrose talking. I
Speaker 3: don't know a single conservative that talks like this. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know, and maybe they are, and maybe they're fringy.
Speaker 3: I condemn you if you are that person. I don't
Speaker 3: know a single These are mainstream figures on the left.
Speaker 3: The senators candidates for Senate in Michigan. What's like el say,
Speaker 3: it's say you or whatever. He's he's campaigning with that guy.
Speaker 3: So I don't understand what this, you know, both sides
Speaker 3: is or in. I don't see it. And I'm sick
Speaker 3: of being called like I'm some fascist nazi that wants
Speaker 3: blood in the shit. I've never called for that. I
Speaker 3: don't know anybody respectable that has called for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and when, for example, when the President said that
Speaker 4: stuff about Rob Reiner said we didn't care for it, No,
Speaker 4: we didn't like it. And even then, even if it
Speaker 4: was kind of gross, it was, it was far short
Speaker 4: of I'm going to go to somebody's house and shoot them,
Speaker 4: oh kill those m efforts like No, the President doesn't
Speaker 4: say anything like that yet.
Speaker 3: The Steve Scale shooting, we've got Charlie's assassination, We've got
Speaker 3: multiple assassination attempts against Trump, Like, what's it going to
Speaker 3: take before they they put this away or they're just
Speaker 3: never going to do it. I reflect on it, orn
Speaker 3: the floor's yours, both sides, both sides needed to calm down.
Speaker 9: Well, like you're saying, even if you could find a
Speaker 9: bunch of clips of right winger saying something comparable, which
Speaker 9: I don't think you can, the proof is in the pudding.
Speaker 6: We've seen what's actually happened. The truth is.
Speaker 9: That Joe Biden wasn't dodging bullets on a regular basis,
Speaker 9: that you didn't see left wing political activists taking bullets
Speaker 9: when they're at speeches on college campuses. The truth is
Speaker 9: that we can see what is actually causing violence in
Speaker 9: the United States. Who's really getting it done, and that's
Speaker 9: obviously the left.
Speaker 6: And they're never going to stop.
Speaker 9: They're never going to dial this back, they're never going
Speaker 9: to take ownership for this, They're never going to stop
Speaker 9: and reflect on what they're doing to the body politic because,
Speaker 9: like I said, this has been a key feature of
Speaker 9: leftist politics for decades now, and they expect to get
Speaker 9: away with unchecked. And so what we need is consequences.
Speaker 9: There have to be real, serious consequences directly from the
Speaker 9: government on what's going on here. If every one of
Speaker 9: these platforms can shut down something like Parlor, because that
Speaker 9: was supposed to be the way that January sixth was coordinated,
Speaker 9: then certainly you can shut down something like Blue Sky
Speaker 9: that currently pumping this rhetoric out routinely.
Speaker 3: All right, But or and I saw you tweet about that,
Speaker 3: and I thought it was a great point because you know,
Speaker 3: Parlor was singled out, targeted for inciting violence, and we
Speaker 3: cried that that was anti free speech. Okay, So what's
Speaker 3: the argument if we so, if we actually got some
Speaker 3: backbone and we pressured Tim Cook and Google to take
Speaker 3: down Blue Sky from the app store, you know what's
Speaker 3: the counter to that.
Speaker 9: I don't understand at this point people who think that
Speaker 9: going out and encouraging the murder of conservatives is going
Speaker 9: to somehow be permissible under any understanding of free speech. Right, Like,
Speaker 9: there's one thing where we're complaining about how other political
Speaker 9: parties act. It's another thing to openly and regularly call
Speaker 9: for violence, which is something we see on Blue Sky
Speaker 9: a lot. It's not some theoretical thing that's going on
Speaker 9: over there. And we also know that these groups are
Speaker 9: coordinating on places like Discord on a regular basis to
Speaker 9: do violence. Discord knows this coordination is happening. They regularly
Speaker 9: ban right wing chats where none of this is happening,
Speaker 9: but they will allow left wing chats where violence is
Speaker 9: actively being coordinated. So these tech platforms are just allowing
Speaker 9: for the expression of alternative political views and not here
Speaker 9: saying we have to shut down all discussion on the
Speaker 9: efficacy of communism or even open borders immigration. What I'm
Speaker 9: saying is we have to stop people from openly and
Speaker 9: repeatedly calling for the murder of conservatives, for planning the
Speaker 9: murder of conservatives on their plate.
Speaker 3: I totally agree. I think there needs to be drastic
Speaker 3: measures taken the you know this, the fact that this
Speaker 3: is not even covered by incitement like this apparently doesn't
Speaker 3: meet the you know, Hassan Piker calling for blood in
Speaker 3: the streets of capitalists or whatever doesn't even meet the
Speaker 3: because it's not a specific imminent threat. It's just like
Speaker 3: a broad idea, So you can't get them on that.
Speaker 3: There's gotta be protections for this stuff. Openly calling for
Speaker 3: political murder and assassination. We played another clip an hour
Speaker 3: one of Hassan pikers saying, somebody's got to do it,
Speaker 3: and everybody laughs, and he's like, you all know what
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. Yeah, because they're all on the discord chats,
Speaker 3: they're all on Blue Sky, they're all on Reddit. They
Speaker 3: know exactly what they're talking about. And this guy, this Monaqua,
Speaker 3: you know, a brewing company. He said, Oh, we got
Speaker 3: so close to giving you free beer. Somebody's got to
Speaker 3: get better at marksmanship. We got so close today. This
Speaker 3: is so prevalent and so mainstreamed on the left that
Speaker 3: you have there has to be a law. There has
Speaker 3: and if we don't have one, make a damn law
Speaker 3: that can attack, like actually convict and prosecute these people
Speaker 3: that are are throwing our political system in disarray by
Speaker 3: you know, promoting violence. I mean, Blake you.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm gonna be a skeptic here because I think
Speaker 4: by this point we're pretty aware of how this plays out,
Speaker 4: because we've seen it play out online. Every time we're
Speaker 4: going to pass a law to tamp down on extreme
Speaker 4: rhetoric online or this or like the latest new threat,
Speaker 4: it always will end up being used vastly more against
Speaker 4: the right than the left. So if we pass a
Speaker 4: law that says you can't advocate violence online, it'll just
Speaker 4: be they'll continue to advocate violence online, but they'll have
Speaker 4: another tool to ban the parlors of the future for
Speaker 4: they don't need to play fair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's I think, or yeah, sorry.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 9: Less than new laws, what we need is aggressive enforcement.
Speaker 9: What we need is the willingness to go after these organizations,
Speaker 9: to find existing violations, to apply pressure and let the
Speaker 9: left know that there's a true social cost for what
Speaker 9: they're doing. Would additional laws be helpful in that, Yes,
Speaker 9: and if they are, okay, great, But I don't think
Speaker 9: the key is passing new legislation. I think the key
Speaker 9: is taking hold of the enforcement mechanism and using those aggressively.
Speaker 6: We've already seen the left do things.
Speaker 9: Like really thoroughly punish anti abortion protesters because they disagree
Speaker 9: with their politics. We know that they didn't need to
Speaker 9: write a whole bunch of new laws to make that happen.
Speaker 9: We can see similar actions from the Trump administration without
Speaker 9: having to go out there and pass a bunch of
Speaker 9: draconian laws. We just need to use what's on the
Speaker 9: books to apply pressure on a regular basis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and I hope you're right SBLC. Is it
Speaker 3: the first of many indictments to come down the pike.
Speaker 3: I certainly hope so. And I know it wasn't lost
Speaker 3: on me or that there was a connection. Just a
Speaker 3: couple days after that story broke. I can't say that
Speaker 3: you know it was the spark, but it was certainly noteworthy.
Speaker 3: Charlie's last text to Stephen Miller was calling for the
Speaker 3: need and the urgent need to defund these networks that
Speaker 3: finance these groups that fund them. But you know, it's gotten.
Speaker 3: The virus has spread so far that it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know how you tackle it all, but I
Speaker 3: think you're right. You have to start with accountability with
Speaker 3: some and start sending the message that this isn't okay.
Speaker 3: But the question then becomes how you don't like new laws? Okay,
Speaker 3: you can enforce what we already have. I get that.
Speaker 3: I guess what I'm struggling with here orin is the
Speaker 3: problem seems so widespread it's difficult to know where to start.
Speaker 9: No, it's obviously a huge problem because, as we both
Speaker 9: have already acknowledged, we this waited to do this too long,
Speaker 9: we let it fester, we let it grow, we let
Speaker 9: it get well beyond what we should have. And now
Speaker 9: if we want to get root and branch, it's grown
Speaker 9: so far that we're going to have to go pretty
Speaker 9: deep to get it out.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 9: Like I said, I think the beginning of this, the
Speaker 9: dominoes that need to fall, as we're talking about, are
Speaker 9: hitting groups like the SPLC, the ADL, groups that we
Speaker 9: know are regularly going after conseratives that are keeping basically
Speaker 9: hitless databases that allow you to fundraise off of exposing
Speaker 9: where conservatives live and how to most easily harass them,
Speaker 9: get them fired, you know, get them docs, all of
Speaker 9: these things.
Speaker 6: There are entire basically.
Speaker 9: Underground leftist militias doing this twenty four to seven. And
Speaker 9: they do that because they have the structure, the encouragement,
Speaker 9: the funding of these major organizations. If we can go
Speaker 9: out and root that out, will that clean everything out
Speaker 9: of the system. No, but it will get us some
Speaker 9: of the key funding mechanisms, the key organizational tools. And
Speaker 9: I am someone who's a big believer in what we
Speaker 9: call elite theory. I think that leadership and organization drive
Speaker 9: political action when the money drives up, when the leadership
Speaker 9: drives up, when the rhetoric drives up, when the free
Speaker 9: pass on violence dries up, I think you'll see a
Speaker 9: lot of this leftist.
Speaker 6: Progressive machine blow away. Not everything.
Speaker 9: We won't magically solve the problem, but I think it
Speaker 9: does a lot to kind of cut this hydra off,
Speaker 9: not at each little head, but at the trunk where
Speaker 9: this thing is really flowing from.
Speaker 3: I think, I think that's right. I think the second
Speaker 3: you disrupt their networks and their ease of being, their
Speaker 3: ease of talking, you really do sort of make things
Speaker 3: very difficult on them. I think you would at least
Speaker 3: see much less people would be much less inclined to
Speaker 3: speak openly the way that they are. Listen, the First
Speaker 3: Amendment is sacricynct. I get that, but I'm starting to
Speaker 3: get really fed up with people celebrating assassination culture and
Speaker 3: getting away with it. There's gotta be there's gotta be
Speaker 3: something that you can do to take these people on
Speaker 3: and to make their lives a living hell. To be honest,
Speaker 3: and again I go back to this Monocua guy. You know,
Speaker 3: he's he's doubling down. He Fox reached out to him
Speaker 3: for a comment and then basically said Fox is guilty
Speaker 3: of inspiring all this political violence. Again, this both sides
Speaker 3: is them. They they they use Trump as the catch
Speaker 3: all for Oh, we're justified in what we do because Trump.
Speaker 3: We're justified in the violence that we encourage because Trump.
Speaker 3: He's the fascist, He's the Nazi. They are so dug
Speaker 3: into this position that it's difficult to know what to
Speaker 3: do with it. Orn McIntyre columnist and Blaze TV host
Speaker 3: Orn McIntyre show, I recommend everybody check it out. Orin
Speaker 3: is a dissident thinker and he's at the front lines
Speaker 3: of a lot of the I would say emergent thought
Speaker 3: on the right. He's a Protestant guy who kind of
Speaker 3: bridges those worlds too, which is really interesting. Or In,
Speaker 3: thank you for making the time. He can check him
Speaker 3: out at Orn McIntyre on X as well, great follow
Speaker 3: thank you, oron We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 6: Thanks again.
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Speaker 3: Mark Halprin, who is a friend of the show, and
Speaker 3: I happened. I didn't see Mark at the event, which
Speaker 3: you know is kind of sad in retrospect, but I
Speaker 3: was I was trying to get out and get to
Speaker 3: my hotel, and I'm looking at news coverage of it
Speaker 3: and I see him still mulling about on the floor
Speaker 3: of the ballroom. So Mark, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3: Give us your impression of the evening as you saw
Speaker 3: it from your vantage point, and kind of everything that's
Speaker 3: ensued sense.
Speaker 7: Mark Alpern, Well, he saw me there because I'm a lingerer.
Speaker 7: There was reporting to be done, and I'm surprised how
Speaker 7: quickly everybody left, so I stayed around. And as with
Speaker 7: some nice people, I think the camera is probably showing them,
Speaker 7: not me. I think there's three main things I'm focused
Speaker 7: on about tonight, and I'm happy to talk about him
Speaker 7: in depth. But one is the security was inadequate. I
Speaker 7: know the President and others are saying what a great
Speaker 7: job the service did, and in some level they did,
Speaker 7: but having I was a guest in the hotel, I
Speaker 7: was in and around the hotel for three days, and
Speaker 7: I'm stunned at how lacked the security was from all
Speaker 7: three floors that are germane to that.
Speaker 8: So I really hope they.
Speaker 7: Learned the lessons of what happened, and I know Cash
Speaker 7: Bettel said this morning that they were making changes.
Speaker 8: I hope they do.
Speaker 7: Second is the level of liberal media bias just continues.
Speaker 7: Caroline Levitch just talked about it the briefing. But if
Speaker 7: someone who'd written the mirror image of what this guy
Speaker 7: has written, who's been accused of the shooting about Barack Obama, say,
Speaker 7: and Barack Obama, this is a third time the country tried,
Speaker 7: somebody tried to kill him, it'd be covered much differently
Speaker 7: by the media than it's being covered. And I really
Speaker 7: wish my colleagues would think through that. I know they
Speaker 7: don't like Donald Trump. I know they like to pretend
Speaker 7: he didn't win the popular vote in the electoral college,
Speaker 7: but it's really unfortunate how.
Speaker 8: Divised that is.
Speaker 7: And then lastly, i'd say for those on the right,
Speaker 7: including the President, who say, you know, we need to
Speaker 7: lower our voices and changed the rhetoric. The president others
Speaker 7: on the right who have used inflammatory rhetoric also need
Speaker 7: to consider their role at all this and if they
Speaker 7: wanted to change, they can help contribute to it by
Speaker 7: not just criticizing the left, but also by lowering the
Speaker 7: level of the rhetoric on the right as well.
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, Mark, you are you're unbiased,
Speaker 3: and I appreciate that, but I'm just, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't see the both sides asm. You know, I don't.
Speaker 3: I really don't buy that argument. I understand that that's
Speaker 3: what the left is saying. I just read John Frose
Speaker 3: tweet who said, you know, are you guys really going
Speaker 3: to just, you know, be so hypocritical as to not
Speaker 3: own your own side? And it's like, well, I don't
Speaker 3: know about you, Mark, but I don't know how many
Speaker 3: assassination attempts it's going to take, or successful ones in
Speaker 3: Charlie's case, before we drop that and the left actually
Speaker 3: owns their side of the aisle here. I mean, this
Speaker 3: is just this just happened. This is JB. Pritzker on CNN.
Speaker 3: It's top thirty three.
Speaker 12: Remember that it's been Donald Trump and the Republicans that
Speaker 12: have called for political violence there. You know Donald Trump
Speaker 12: from the very beginning. Remember when he talked about a
Speaker 12: protester at one of his rallies that they should just
Speaker 12: beat him up, punch him. You know, He's talked about
Speaker 12: the death penalty for General Mark Millie. He has called
Speaker 12: for jailing his political opponents, me included. So this is
Speaker 12: a president who unfortunately slips into that mode so easily.
Speaker 12: But I think we should get away from all of that.
Speaker 12: I'm sure that we can find examples across both sides
Speaker 12: of the aisle.
Speaker 3: I'm sure we could. We've been playing him on the
Speaker 3: show all day, so I understand what you're saying, you know,
Speaker 3: but it's like one side Mark. You know, even when
Speaker 3: Trump says what he says, he's not saying some vigilanti
Speaker 3: go out and take him out. But we have multiple
Speaker 3: examples on the left where that's being essentially vocalized. Right,
Speaker 3: And I could play you montage I'll play you a
Speaker 3: ontage that's stripped down. This isn't even the bad one.
Speaker 3: This is just from elected leaders, from Democrats. Eight. I'll
Speaker 3: play this and get your reactions. SAT eight.
Speaker 6: People need to start taking to the streets.
Speaker 8: This is a dictator. You know.
Speaker 5: There needs to be unrest in the streets for as
Speaker 5: long as there's unrest in our lives.
Speaker 10: Enemies of the state.
Speaker 12: Show me where it says that protests are supposed to
Speaker 12: be polite and peaceful.
Speaker 10: Do something about your dad's immigration practices.
Speaker 6: Effectless honor, they go low.
Speaker 1: How do you resist the temptation to run up and
Speaker 1: wring her neck?
Speaker 3: Biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most
Speaker 3: of them radicalized up.
Speaker 1: To the right.
Speaker 6: I thought he should have punshed him in the face.
Speaker 8: I'd like to punch him in the face.
Speaker 9: I should if we're in high school, I take it
Speaker 9: behind the gym and beat the hell.
Speaker 8: Out of him.
Speaker 6: Punch some people in the face.
Speaker 3: When was the last time an actor assassinated and the president?
Speaker 2: They're still going to have to go out and put
Speaker 2: a bullet in Donald Trump.
Speaker 8: And that's a fact.
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, these are montage to other people put together.
Speaker 3: I could agree with some of the clips, others not
Speaker 3: so much. But the point is, like this fascist tyrant stuff,
Speaker 3: this Nazi stuff, it is totally saturated certain quarters of
Speaker 3: Reddit and certain quarters of Blue Sky. I just don't
Speaker 3: see it both ways. And I'm open to your arguments here.
Speaker 7: You and I agree about two things and maybe disagree
Speaker 7: about one. The two we agree about is the comments
Speaker 7: you just played. You could you could play comments like
Speaker 7: that for five hours from top elected officials and people
Speaker 7: in the blue media, and and and there's no there's
Speaker 7: almost no accountability for it. And we agree that the
Speaker 7: press is completely biased about all this stuff and don't
Speaker 7: treat the two sides equally. So those are two asymmetries
Speaker 7: that are super important. And you and I I don't
Speaker 7: think disagree a shred.
Speaker 8: About those things. And I've said that a lot. I
Speaker 8: think the thing it seems.
Speaker 7: We disagree about is you can't say that the rhetoric
Speaker 7: on the right and you have to say it's equal
Speaker 7: if you don't want to, but you have to say
Speaker 7: the president has engaged in course rhetoric. Also, you know,
Speaker 7: he celebrated the death of Rob Reiner, someone who was
Speaker 7: very important to people on the left, I could give
Speaker 7: you one hundred examples if you'd like that are comparable.
Speaker 3: So just so you know what, we condemned that on
Speaker 3: this show. Actually, and I wrote something very nice about
Speaker 3: Rob Reiner when he has.
Speaker 8: I'm glad, but not everybody in the right ays.
Speaker 7: I would say the mass pardon of the January sixth
Speaker 7: the people convicted for crimes connected to January sixth, same thing.
Speaker 8: You can say you.
Speaker 7: Don't condemn it, but it really does divide the country.
Speaker 7: So it doesn't mean I'm saying everything's equal. It's not
Speaker 7: both sidism. But the president, if you agree with me
Speaker 7: about the Brob Briner one, I could probably get you
Speaker 7: to agree to one hundred others. The president, if he
Speaker 7: really wants to bring the country together, doesn't mean he
Speaker 7: has to turn the other cheek for the outrages of
Speaker 7: the first two categories. But he can't say there's no
Speaker 7: third category because you've acknowledged there's at least one, and
Speaker 7: there's a lot more.
Speaker 3: I mean, I would acknowledge that there are certain things
Speaker 3: that the President has said that are rough and gruff.
Speaker 3: I certainly agree with that, but I would say say
Speaker 3: that you know when when you're looking at it from
Speaker 3: a perspective of what he's been up against. I actually
Speaker 3: understand that he's want he wants to fight back and
Speaker 3: push back. But again, there is a distinction between vigilanteism
Speaker 3: and assassination culture. What you hear from a Hassan piker
Speaker 3: and the glorification of Luigi Mangioni compared to saying somebody
Speaker 3: should get the death penalty, meaning like through the system,
Speaker 3: he should be prosecuted, held accountable. There should be you know,
Speaker 3: one side is using this. When you hear that rhetoric
Speaker 3: from one side, it's very distinct. It's one side saying
Speaker 3: use the system to hold people accountable, the other side
Speaker 3: saying blood in the streets, and I just it's not
Speaker 3: it's not equivalent in my mind to kind.
Speaker 4: Of tie them together here, I think the best part
Speaker 4: point for what Marcus arguing is Donald Trump is the
Speaker 4: president of the United States. There is a certain weight
Speaker 4: that comes to everything a president does. He certainly has
Speaker 4: vastly more power to make sure anyone hears what he says.
Speaker 4: It affects people a lot more what he says, and
Speaker 4: he said some stuff that you and I have both said.
Speaker 2: It's not very presidential. It's not good.
Speaker 4: Frankly, it's not even it's not even good politically well.
Speaker 7: But just but it also to take agree with what
Speaker 7: you just said, it also divides the country.
Speaker 8: You just can't deny that it also divides the country.
Speaker 7: It doesn't, it doesn't erase the first two categories that
Speaker 7: I said, but it's a reality that it divides the country.
Speaker 7: And as you guys know, there are many Republicans who
Speaker 7: you're friends with who feel even more strongly than you do,
Speaker 7: who support the president, but feel more strongly than you
Speaker 7: do even an express it sometimes about how di visits
Speaker 7: the president can be in their view unnecessarily and Blake,
Speaker 7: as you said, sometimes not in his political interest.
Speaker 4: Yes, But at the same time, I think in terms
Speaker 4: of really trying to lay out specific cases where they
Speaker 4: seem dead serious that political violence is justified, I do
Speaker 4: think we see that more on the left, and we've
Speaker 4: seen it a decade at this point, and it's coming
Speaker 4: the whole office when he took out, it comes through
Speaker 4: in the polling where they say more explicitly sometimes violence
Speaker 4: is good. We've seen, for example, at the start of
Speaker 4: the president's first term so well before he said a
Speaker 4: lot of the thing before January sixth, before anything he
Speaker 4: said about Rob Reiner, we had the wholy one.
Speaker 3: When is it okay to punch a Nazi?
Speaker 4: That was a big talking point that went around on
Speaker 4: the left to justify why Antifa might assault people at
Speaker 4: the inauguration or at other events. This is there is
Speaker 4: a history to this to the left that I think
Speaker 4: we see it bubbling up more and more. We even
Speaker 4: see it in other countries. In Italy, I believe they
Speaker 4: elected a member of Antifa to the European Parliament or
Speaker 4: their own parliament just so that they wouldn't get arrested
Speaker 4: for literally assaulting someone with a hammer. I think there
Speaker 4: is something to be said that the left has street
Speaker 4: violence and occasionally assassination more baked into its political rhetoric
Speaker 4: and its political practice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and my colleagues in the press.
Speaker 7: If my colleagues in the press covered it fairly and
Speaker 7: equally and equitably, I think I think everybody'd be better
Speaker 7: off because there wouldn't be so much resentment on the
Speaker 7: right and the president wouldn't feel satisfied as he often
Speaker 7: does and saying I'm a counterpuncher. I'm just going after
Speaker 7: people like Rob Ryer who went after me that's that's
Speaker 7: the people who are at fault as much as anybody
Speaker 7: else is people in the press who cover one side
Speaker 7: tough and the other side barely at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I agree with that completely. I Mark,
Speaker 3: stay right there. I want to talk about, you know,
Speaker 3: the issue of live events, of gathering together in public.
Speaker 3: There's a whole move of people that are saying which
Speaker 3: can't do it anymore, and I think that'll be a
Speaker 3: tragedy for the country. All right, So the Jimmy Kimmel instant.
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about this first, So we'll play
Speaker 3: the clip he did a mock I guess White House
Speaker 3: correspondent speech, and we'll play the clip top thirteen.
Speaker 6: Of course, our first Lady, Malania is here.
Speaker 3: Look at more so beautiful missus Trump, you have a
Speaker 3: glow like an expectant widow. So so. Milania now has
Speaker 3: tweeted and said Kimmel's hateful and violent rhetoric is intended
Speaker 3: to divide our country. His monologue about my family isn't comedy.
Speaker 3: His words are corrosive and deepens the political sickness within America.
Speaker 3: And then she eventually says, enough is enough. It's time
Speaker 3: for ABC to take a stand. How many times will
Speaker 3: ABC's leadership enable Kimmel's atrocious behavior at the expense of
Speaker 3: our community. Trump is just truth social basically saying it's
Speaker 3: he's no way and funny, terrible television ratings. He was
Speaker 3: there for an very obvious he's talking about the shooter. Basically,
Speaker 3: they're all taking shots at Kimmel. Sorry, I'm just reading
Speaker 3: this because it just broke right as we as we
Speaker 3: brought this up, and he says Jimmy Kimmel should be
Speaker 3: immediately fired by Disney and ABC. Thank you for very
Speaker 3: attention to this matter. I happened to. I think Jimmy
Speaker 3: Kimmel is a scumbagwet I tweeted as much over the weekend.
Speaker 3: I still am not over the fact that he called
Speaker 3: Charlie's assassin part of MAGA and then had a chance
Speaker 3: to apologize take it back, he didn't correct the record.
Speaker 3: I think he's a coward. But this is America. There
Speaker 3: is free speech. How do you square that circle?
Speaker 7: Look, on the one hand, as he said, free speech,
Speaker 7: on the other, fifty percent of America has had to
Speaker 7: deal with the reality that these broadcast networks think it's
Speaker 7: fine to have all liberals and anti Trump people host
Speaker 7: these shows. It's not equitable, it's not symmetrical, it's not fair.
Speaker 7: I think it's fine even though the president overseas CFCC.
Speaker 7: I think it's fine for the Trumps to have free
Speaker 7: speech in reaction to Jimmy Kimmel's offensive humor to them
Speaker 7: and say he should be fired. And it's fine if
Speaker 7: ABC doesn't want to fire him. They're a private company.
Speaker 7: The market should decide if his ratings are good and
Speaker 7: ABC wants to keep him on, and if people want
Speaker 7: to accept that, that's fine. I just as always I say,
Speaker 7: if Jimmy Kimmel had made that joke about Barack Obama
Speaker 7: and to Michelle Obama, imagine what the coverage would be like.
Speaker 7: And the dominant media covers this story to the extent
Speaker 7: they cover it, and I've been watching cable. I've not
Speaker 7: seen it on cable yet all day since the First
Speaker 7: Lady first went on Twitter. But they covered barely at all,
Speaker 7: and they covered kind of like an interesting media story
Speaker 7: rather than the way they would cover it if a
Speaker 7: comedian had said it about Michelle Obama, that they'd be
Speaker 7: covering it as an outrage and demanding the guy be fire.
Speaker 7: So you know, that's part of what drives this is
Speaker 7: it's people on the right who feel it's just not
Speaker 7: fair that Jimmy Kimmel and ABC act like he's just
Speaker 7: a comedian, when in fact he's a partisan.
Speaker 3: I want to play I want to show you a
Speaker 3: tweet from Charlie, he said. Assassination culture is spreading on
Speaker 3: the left. Forty eight percent of liberals say it would
Speaker 3: be at least somewhat justified to murder Elon Musk. Fifty
Speaker 3: five percent said the same about Donald Trump. In California,
Speaker 3: activists are naming ballot measures after Luigi Mangioni. The left
Speaker 3: is being whipped into a violent frenzy. Any setback, whether
Speaker 3: losing an election or losing a court case, justifies maximally
Speaker 3: violent response. This is the natural outgrowth of left wing
Speaker 3: protest culture tolerating violence in Mayhem's for years on end.
Speaker 3: The cowardice of local prosecutors and school officials have turned
Speaker 3: the left into a ticking time bomb. And then there's
Speaker 3: the grafts, uh, you know, justifying that it was a
Speaker 3: poll that was taken. Is it safe to hold events
Speaker 3: mark with the in this climate?
Speaker 7: Well, I'm very disappointed, as I said, in an earlier
Speaker 7: segment about the level of lack of security at the dinner,
Speaker 7: I think I think there's a way to secure almost
Speaker 7: any venue if you spend enough money on it and
Speaker 7: give the professionals enough time. So we have to have events.
Speaker 7: And I couldn't agree with the president more. You can't
Speaker 7: let people exercise a veto, a terrorist TechEd veto over
Speaker 7: overholding public events. So yeah, we just we just need
Speaker 7: to plan and we need to secure, and we need
Speaker 7: to spend the money to do it.
Speaker 8: But it's vitally important. And I mean the.
Speaker 7: Reality is just has been a reality since nine to eleven. Now,
Speaker 7: you know, quarter century. We we we have an incredibly
Speaker 7: open society. We you know, Charlie knew full well, you
Speaker 7: guys know better than I do. Charlie knew full well
Speaker 7: that there were dangers to going out, and he had security.
Speaker 7: But our society is open and if somebody's determined, even
Speaker 7: with the president United States.
Speaker 8: They can get a shot.
Speaker 7: So it's imperative to have good people in public life.
Speaker 7: There'll be people who don't run for president in twenty
Speaker 7: twenty eight who otherwise would have run because their families
Speaker 7: say no, too dangerous. And if you're not Donald Trump
Speaker 7: with your own plane and your own ability to afford security.
Speaker 7: It's a risk no matter who you are. So we
Speaker 7: got to spend enough money to keep people safe, so
Speaker 7: the national ten square is available to everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 4: I think we have to acknowledge the risk, but we
Speaker 4: can't allow ourselves to live as a society under siege.
Speaker 4: I think we need to rebuild the moral consensus against this.
Speaker 4: One of the things we've talked about Frankly, I just
Speaker 4: I think this would be useful is if we just said,
Speaker 4: if you attempt to assassinate a public figure, even if
Speaker 4: you fail, it should be capital crime. It should be
Speaker 4: like this person, he should face the death penalty for
Speaker 4: what he did, because that is one of the ways
Speaker 4: you send the message this is not acceptable in this society.
Speaker 4: We debate things, we vote on things, we argue about things.
Speaker 3: We do not.
Speaker 4: Try to shoot people for what their views are, period.
Speaker 4: And I think we build that consensus.
Speaker 3: And I think that's and I think that's what we're
Speaker 3: arguing about here, because right now we're stuck at this,
Speaker 3: like both sides thing and the left is saying the
Speaker 3: right started it. The right is saying the left started it. Frankly,
Speaker 3: I think the argument is stronger in our favor, but
Speaker 3: we're just still arguing about you know, is that he said,
Speaker 3: she said, It's a it's a circular argument. I don't
Speaker 3: know where we're going to get anywhere, but at some
Speaker 3: point I think that my inclination is there has to
Speaker 3: be real consequences rooting out some of the support structures
Speaker 3: and permission structures that enable this, because if you look
Speaker 3: at the polling mark there's a lot more liberals that
Speaker 3: think this is okay than conservatives. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: the more conservative are, the less you agree that this
Speaker 3: is justifiable. So final ten to fifteen seconds.
Speaker 7: To you, Mark, I just the left should not be
Speaker 7: passive or complacent because the media favors them on this.
Speaker 8: They should really look at themselves.
Speaker 7: Everybody in public life should look at themselves and say
Speaker 7: are they contributing to this or not?
Speaker 3: Mark Alprin, it was good to see you on TV.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I didn't see you in the room.
Speaker 8: I'll see it the next one. I'll see it the
Speaker 8: next one.
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