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Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Natural Health with naturopathic doctor Lauren Deville.

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Speaker 1: Christian Natural Health is the podcast on how to get

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Speaker 1: and stay healthy God's Way. You'll hear topics on nutrition, exercise, sleep,

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Speaker 1: avoiding toxicity, meditating on scripture, what supplements to take, stress management,

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Speaker 1: defeating anxiety and worry, how to reconcile Eastern medicine approaches

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Speaker 1: with Christianity, and a whole lot more. Now here's your host,

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Speaker 1: doctor Lauren.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Christian Natural Health today.

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Speaker 2: I'm very pleased to have Carl Joseph with us. Carl

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Speaker 2: grew up in Pembrokeshire, South Wales, where an early exposion

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Speaker 2: to religion left him searching for the tangible presence and

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Speaker 2: power of God. In his mid twenties, he relocated to

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Speaker 2: the United States and built a successful twenty year career

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Speaker 2: as a petrolleum engineer. Carl devoted himself to ministry in

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, serving in street outreach since two thousand

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Speaker 2: and three, prison ministries since, and and pastoring for five

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Speaker 2: years in the Denver area. In twenty sixteen, Carl transitioned

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Speaker 2: into full time ministry. Today, he equips believers around the

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Speaker 2: world to walk in the fullness of God's promises and

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Speaker 2: embrace their God given potential. His ministry website has welcomed

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Speaker 2: more than seven hundred and fifty thousand visitors since its inception,

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Speaker 2: and his podcast Lions Unchained has produced over two hundred episodes,

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Speaker 2: and he's the author of Lionheart Unleashed. The Warrior Within.

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Speaker 2: Carl's passion is to help Christians move from head knowledge

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Speaker 2: to a lived experience of God's presence and power in

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Speaker 2: daily life. Welcome Carl, Thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Lauren, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. I'm really intrigued by that line in

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Speaker 2: the bio that says early exposure to exposure to religion

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Speaker 2: left you searching for tangible presence and power. What's that story?

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Speaker 3: Well, that story. I grew up in the UK. I

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Speaker 3: had an idyllic upbringing. Many ways have great parents, you know,

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Speaker 3: that meant. My heart was about engineering. I had a

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Speaker 3: I would be in a church attendance like every two

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Speaker 3: not necessarily engagement or relationship with Christ, which frankly was

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Speaker 3: never really preached. And again we can get into this later.

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Speaker 3: But I came to the United States in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 3: it was during this visit that a powerful transformation took

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Speaker 3: I was always an ecclesiastical, governmental church where the Anglican

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Speaker 3: So let me just intro with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, fascinating. So and now you've your focus now

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Speaker 2: the rest of that. That's, you know, obviously, that's where

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Speaker 3: When, exactly right, and I was sorry. As an engineer,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So for somebody who's wondering, like am I in

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Speaker 2: But anyway, and what made you decide to get out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. And your podcast is Lion's Unchained. The

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Speaker 2: And so why do you think that imagery of the lion,

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Speaker 3: we all got in a circle and here's how I prayed.

429
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Speaker 3: I command this brain humor to wither and die in Jesus' name.

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Speaker 3: He was not a passive prayer. I didn't hold her

431
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Speaker 3: hand and say, Lord, if it be your will, I'm

432
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Speaker 3: not sure whether you want to pray it. Sorry, heal

433
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Speaker 3: this woman or not. That's that's not a faith prayer.

434
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Speaker 3: That's because we already know from his word that he

435
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 3: wants to heal. We already know his word. It's out,

436
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 3: so he stand on it. But anyway, so as I

437
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 3: was praying in my spirit man, I kept getting unforgiveness,

438
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 3: and it was like we were there for three four

439
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 3: five minutes and it was getting awkward, you know, but

440
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 3: I knew the answer because it's like if I don't

441
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 3: say something, this isn't going to happen. And so I said, hey,

442
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Speaker 3: do you have any unforgiveness? And she's like, I hate

443
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 3: my mother and I hate my brother. And I was like, well,

444
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 3: hates a strong word, so let's deal with that first.

445
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 3: And so she's, you know, she shared some things she

446
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 3: started crying. She let go of some emotion and then

447
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 3: it felt like it was the time to really go

448
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 3: after this brain tumor. And again we commanded that thing

449
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 3: to wither and die, and sure enough she went off.

450
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Speaker 3: She said to the doctor, don't you operate on me?

451
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Speaker 3: I want to have you know, a scan again before

452
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Speaker 3: we do this. He's like, no, no, need, we know

453
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Speaker 3: what the problem is. She started arguing with him. She

454
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Speaker 3: was firm. He did do the scan and lo and

455
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Speaker 3: there was no brain, brain tumor whatsoever left. Now this

456
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 3: guy was Jewish, he was a Jewish doctor. She started

457
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Speaker 3: preaching to him about Jesus and he was like, hmm, interesting,

458
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Speaker 3: But he could see that miracle here. It is on

459
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: you know, three or four, five days ago, it's no

460
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Speaker 3: longer there. When you see that happen, you know, that

461
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 3: changes your heart. And so that's good questions. Yeah, But

462
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Speaker 3: if the point is that if we don't do something

463
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Speaker 3: right as Christians, we don't intervene, we don't pray, we

464
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Speaker 3: don't have faith right, some people are going to suffer

465
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Speaker 3: because of our apathy, and we don't want to hear

466
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Speaker 3: that side of the story. God is commissioning us to

467
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Speaker 3: do things right, and we don't do them, there are consequences.

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Speaker 2: For that, then they don't get done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love that you were sensitive to the Holy Spirit

471
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Speaker 2: in this particular case listening to is there an obstacle,

472
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Speaker 2: a spiritual obstacle that is going to hinder the word

473
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Speaker 2: going forth? So that that could be dealt with. So

474
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Speaker 2: in my realm, it's always you look for, identify obstacles

475
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Speaker 2: to cure, remove those, give the body the building blocks

476
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Speaker 2: that it needs in order to heal, stimulate the vital force.

477
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Speaker 2: But we're body mind spirit, so those obstacles can be

478
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Speaker 2: spiritual too. And if we don't do absolutely then absolutely,

479
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Speaker 2: Yeah that's great, that's great.

480
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Speaker 3: A tripartite beings. Right, we're a spirit man, we have

481
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Speaker 3: a soul, we live in a body, and the soul

482
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Speaker 3: is like a logjam between the spirit man and the body,

483
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Speaker 3: and so free that up to allow that healing flow

484
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Speaker 3: to come. And there's many books written about that.

485
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's great. So, and it's also very interesting

486
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Speaker 2: this idea of we are partnering with God and if

487
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Speaker 2: we don't do what he has called us to do,

488
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Speaker 2: then it's likely not going to get done. Maybe in

489
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Speaker 2: some cases he'll call somebody else to fill that role.

490
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Speaker 2: But we've got like that's that's a very sobering concept

491
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Speaker 2: that all of us have work, that He has good

492
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Speaker 2: works that He is appointed for us to do, and

493
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Speaker 2: if abslotely we don't fill those roles, then they don't happen.

494
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Speaker 2: And that really does kind of call out that lion

495
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Speaker 2: heart that we're supposed to stand up and do what

496
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Speaker 2: we need to do. And it takes courage and really

497
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Speaker 2: that people.

498
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Speaker 3: That you know, they're afraid, you know, I may get poor, persecuted,

499
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Speaker 3: and may get mocked. Right, welcome to the club. I mean,

500
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 3: that's a given for Christianity. I mean, you know you're

501
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: going to say that God talks to you. I mean

502
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 3: you and the looney bind I mean that's crazy to

503
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Speaker 3: begin with.

504
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so yeah, So back to the idea of

505
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Speaker 2: God's sovereignty, because I do think this is so critical

506
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Speaker 2: in terms of the way that people perceive what's possible

507
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Speaker 2: and also God's character too. So how would you say that,

508
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Speaker 2: I mean Romans eight twenty eight, all things work together

509
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Speaker 2: for the good of those who are called according to God,

510
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Speaker 2: according according to his purposes. How does that work together

511
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Speaker 2: with all of these awful things that are happening in

512
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Speaker 2: a world where Satan's still stealing, killing and destroying.

513
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Speaker 3: Correct, and do all things work together for good? The answer,

514
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Speaker 3: the answer on the surface is they do not. If

515
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Speaker 3: I have cancer and die, that is not working together

516
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Speaker 3: for good, because I have children and now they're abandoned.

517
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Speaker 3: If I die of some disease, that's not helping me.

518
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 3: Now I get injured in a car eggt that's not

519
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 3: working together for good. So we have to look at

520
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 3: exegesis of Romans eight, and that is where we really

521
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 3: get into it. We look at the context of Romans

522
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Speaker 3: chapter eight, and we come to find out that prayer

523
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Speaker 3: has a tremendous amount. With this very verse, and in fact,

524
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Speaker 3: I'm going to actually try and read it. Here we

525
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Speaker 3: are saved by hope, and we look at a Roman's

526
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Speaker 3: age twenty four through thirty. We're saved by hope. But

527
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Speaker 3: what hope is it seen? It is not hope for

528
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Speaker 3: what a man sees. Why it is even hope for it.

529
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Speaker 3: But if we hope for what we have seen not,

530
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Speaker 3: then we have patients to wait for it. Likewise, the

531
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Speaker 3: spirit also helps our infirmities. We know not what we

532
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Speaker 3: should pray for as we ought, But the Spirit itself

533
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 3: makes intercession for us with groanings. It cannot be uttered. Now,

534
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 3: that word infirmity does not mean sickness per se. If

535
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Speaker 3: you look at up in the Greek, it means that

536
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Speaker 3: an inability to see seed or a hindrance. Sick people

537
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: go to an infirmary. They don't go to an infirmity,

538
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Speaker 3: And so an infirmity is an obstacle that is hindering

539
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 3: us from the healing, from the breakthrough, from the financial breakthrough,

540
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Speaker 3: whatever it is. But we don't know how to pray

541
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Speaker 3: for as we ought. We pray in the spirit, and

542
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: he searches the hearts, knows what is the mind of

543
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Speaker 3: the spirit, because he makes intercession for the saints. And

544
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: we know, once we've prayed according to God's will, that

545
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Speaker 3: all things work together for good to them that love God,

546
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Speaker 3: who are called according to his purpose. So do you

547
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 3: love God? Yes? Are you called according to His purpose?

548
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: I try to be But if I pray in the spirit, then,

549
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 3: oh friend, wonderful things can happen, because now I know

550
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Speaker 3: I'm praying the perfect will of God, and then I

551
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: am then engaging in the spirit realm as a warrior

552
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Speaker 3: to win this situation over for Christ. And there are

553
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: many testaments of people praying in an known tongue, in

554
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 3: an unknown tongue where you know, there's missionaries overseas, they

555
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 3: pray at two or three hours straight and then they

556
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: have the breakthrough and then lo and behold, two or

557
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: three weeks later they come to find out this person

558
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,479
Speaker 3: was on their deathbed with TB and had they not prayed,

559
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: that person could have passed on into eternity. There's many

560
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: a testimony of people praying and God turning situations around.

561
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Speaker 3: There's an example of Peter in my book also where

562
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Speaker 3: he was in prison and they it says they prayed

563
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Speaker 3: without ceasing until he came out, and lo and behold,

564
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: an angel turns up and he comes to the door

565
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Speaker 3: where they're praying. The girl didn't even recognize him, which

566
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Speaker 3: is kind of comical because they're like, you're expecting something

567
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: to happen, ready for it exactly, so you know, But

568
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Speaker 3: you know, James sadly was martyred around that time, and

569
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Speaker 3: could it be that had they prayed with such fervency

570
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Speaker 3: for James, maybe he wasn't going to but Peter was,

571
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Speaker 3: and so a and again even when Paul is in prison.

572
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Speaker 3: Later he starts praising and worshiping God in the midnight hour,

573
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Speaker 3: and then as soon as he activated that, an angel

574
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: turns up again. And so almost the argument, I believe

575
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Speaker 3: is a massive ignorance of worship and the actual power

576
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Speaker 3: praising worship has on an individual level, in conjunction with prayer.

577
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Speaker 3: Because somebody said that praise and worship gets you to

578
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Speaker 3: the table, but prayer is what gives it. But sometimes

579
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Speaker 3: we don't come to God in the right manner. He's

580
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Speaker 3: a God, he's a king. You've got to come with

581
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Speaker 3: a gift, a gift of worship or whatever it is,

582
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Speaker 3: to get his attention. I think we're just treating him

583
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Speaker 3: as a vending machine sometimes and not giving him the

584
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Speaker 3: rightful honor that he deserves. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So this sounds like a really interesting twist on

586
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Speaker 2: I think what we culturally think of as spiritual warfare.

587
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Speaker 2: I think so often when we talk about spiritual warfare,

588
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Speaker 2: we're thinking of just casting out demons, which obviously that's

589
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: a part of it, but it's also prayer. Is prayer

590
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Speaker 2: in the scriptures, and praise and worship. All of these

591
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: are some of the tools in our toolbox. Can you

592
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: expand on that idea and how that plays into the

593
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Speaker 2: lion heart concept.

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Speaker 3: Well, if I was to try and get anybody to

595
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: do anything from this book, it would be to cultivate

596
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: a personal relationship with Christ. And that starts with as

597
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: soon as you get out of bed, just thank the

598
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Speaker 3: Lord for the day. Start a dialogue with your heaveny

599
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 3: father Father. I thank you right now that you're with me,

600
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Speaker 3: you'll for me, not against me. I thank you that

601
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 3: angels are surrounding me. I thank you that they're going

602
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: to help me to walk in love today. And then

603
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 3: just start speaking the promises of God and start and

604
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: then go go to your bible. Read one chapter. Oh wow,

605
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: you know, well, let's read five. No, just try and

606
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 3: read one because it'll be hard, okay. And so just

607
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: say hey, I've finished my chapter for the day, and say, Lord,

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Speaker 3: tell me how this word applies to me, show me

609
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: how it can apply it in my life. And then

610
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 3: listen on the inside for five, ten, fifteen, twenty minutes.

611
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 3: Because the soul is noisy, and sometimes it can take

612
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: time to dissipate the noise, especially with electronic distractions as

613
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: we have the media today, the phones, the iPads. They

614
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 3: are just sucking all the time away from God. I

615
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: believe he's jealous of and so as we listen. I mean,

616
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: prayer is a narrative. It's two way, it's a dialogue.

617
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: It's not just speaking and speaking and speaking. You can

618
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 3: pray in the spirit and never listen. So I try

619
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: to have some praying and then listening time. And obviously

620
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Speaker 3: it's not gonna come immediate. There's times later on the

621
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Speaker 3: day where I get a download, you know, without thinking

622
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: about anything, And that's the Spirit speaking to you. You

623
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Speaker 3: don't choose when he speaks to you. But we make

624
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Speaker 3: ourselves available because it says those who hunger and thirst

625
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: after righteousness will be filled. We have to have a

626
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 3: hunger and thirst after God. You know, you have to

627
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: build a relationship with him and pursue him. He wants

628
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 3: to be pursued. If you pursue God, he's going to

629
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: pursue you, and he's going to take care of you.

630
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Speaker 3: And sure there's gonna be some bumps along the way.

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Speaker 3: That's what faith is. You know, faith is not somebody

632
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 3: told me one time, I think the next teacher. Faith

633
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: is not knowing all the answers, but proceeding anyway. You know,

634
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Speaker 3: we're never going to have all the answers. I'm an engineer,

635
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: believe me. I'm looking for the answers that left brains

636
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 3: working overtime. But you know we're not. But you can

637
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: get answers in the word if you really dig. And

638
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, but he doesn't just give him out.

639
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: You've got a search for him. But it offends me

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Speaker 3: when I hear about these, you know, pastors at funeral

641
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Speaker 3: saying you know, oh, another angel's gone to heaven and

642
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: this is God's perfect will. We shouldn't question it. I'm like, no, no, no, no,

643
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: there's an entire family abandoned here. And there's instances. I

644
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: remember Charles Caps gave a very interesting testimony about a

645
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Speaker 3: pastor where he turns up at a church one day

646
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Speaker 3: that pastors he's killed in a car wreck. This is

647
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: about two or three months afterwards, and he remembers visiting

648
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Speaker 3: the church before and thinking, Wow, what a wonderful church

649
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: this is. I wonder why the pastor died. And he

650
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: started digging at testimonies around him, you know, like, hey,

651
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: what happened to the pastor. He's like, well, he did

652
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: say that when he was coming to this stop sign.

653
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Speaker 3: When he was driving every night, they felt like the

654
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 3: spirit of God was telling him not to go this,

655
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: to go a different way, but he never did anything

656
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: about it. And lo and behold he was killed by

657
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Speaker 3: a drunk at that stop sign. And it's like, I

658
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: believe that God warns people. I don't believe in this

659
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Speaker 3: random stuff. I'm sorry, because he promises it's in Psalm

660
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Speaker 3: ninety one. He's gonna watch over us under his feathers.

661
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, he's a caring God. And I

662
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: remember even at Bible School, I had this discussion this

663
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Speaker 3: lady who was a teacher. I was like, well, my

664
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Speaker 3: husband died at thirty eight and he went overnight and

665
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Speaker 3: we don't really know why he died. And I was like, okay,

666
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Speaker 3: fair enough. But what's really strange about that story is

667
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Speaker 3: so I'm in a crowd of like two thousand people

668
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Speaker 3: sitting in the audience, and I chatted to the guy

669
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Speaker 3: next to me, and it turns out that he is

670
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Speaker 3: the neview of the person speaking and I was and

671
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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, okay, she's like that's my aunt

672
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: and etc. I was like, oh, that's cool, and I

673
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: probably shouldn't have said it, but I was like, does

674
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Speaker 3: anybody know why possibly this man died? And and he goes, yeah,

675
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: he was like three hundred pounds and told him to

676
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Speaker 3: lose weight, Like so okay, he didn't do it. I

677
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: was like, okay, another mysterious death, you know. I'm like, yeah, exactly.

678
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Speaker 2: So you know, God's doing what he can to get

679
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Speaker 2: through to us as much as possible. I love what

680
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Speaker 2: you were talking about with respect to is taking that

681
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: time for silence, because especially as you say, culturally, this

682
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: is not something we do. And Solomon also talks about

683
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: we come into the secret place and that is where

684
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Speaker 2: all of this protection is, all of this guidance, everything

685
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: that God wants to give us. We get in this

686
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: secret place where we meet with our Father, and that

687
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: requires discipline to create that silence, especially in how loud

688
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: our culture is. It's very difficult to create.

689
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 3: Very much so, and it's in this quiet time. I'll

690
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: share another testimony for you. It's in this quiet time

691
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Speaker 3: in the early two thousands when I worked for BP

692
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Speaker 3: on the western side of West like in Houston, as

693
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Speaker 3: an engineer. Now I'm in an engineering facility here with

694
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: business managers vps you know, this is very like hands on.

695
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: We're you know, secular people who are striving for corporate success,

696
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 3: you know, and I'm like, wonderful, I can fit into

697
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 3: that environment. I'll do it. One morning, I'm sitting there

698
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Speaker 3: listening and I had a friend called Patsy from South Africa,

699
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Speaker 3: and initially we didn't get on particularly well. It was

700
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Speaker 3: like our personalities rubbed each other the wrong way. And

701
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Speaker 3: then I saw I had my Bible I've been one

702
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: time and she walked by the office. She's like, oh,

703
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 3: you got a Bible there. I like to read this

704
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: and that, and we kind of made a connection. I

705
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 3: was like, okay, cool, yeah, and so she was a believer.

706
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Speaker 3: She shared all that and I was like, yeah, that's awesome.

707
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: And so but what happened was in time she shared

708
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Speaker 3: that she couldn't conceive. She was in her early thirties

709
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: and she couldn't conceive, and they tried everything, and I'm

710
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: like I was sitting here one day and thinking, you know, wow,

711
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 3: that's just such a pity a believer. Why can't they conceive?

712
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: And there's many examples in the Old Testament of God

713
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Speaker 3: blessing people who were baron and turning that situation around.

714
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: And this is kind of controversial, but this is what

715
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Speaker 3: I heard in my quiet time in the morning before

716
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Speaker 3: I went to work. Patsy has a curse on her

717
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 3: womb and you need to release that curse and speak

718
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Speaker 3: life over it. And I'm sitting here going what and

719
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: so believe me, I wasn't willing to share that word.

720
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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm kind of conservative, okay, I'm a guy socially,

721
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 3: I'm not like the mister extrovert. And I was like, okay, well,

722
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: if you want me to share that, you're going to

723
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 3: have to open up a door on that one. And

724
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 3: so you know, so lo and behold. You know. We

725
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 3: were in her room and it's like she started weeping

726
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: then started crying, like just broke down, like oh, I

727
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: just we're going to go through IVF again. I'm just

728
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 3: sick of this. And I'm like, okay, this is what

729
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: I felt like in prayer, and I shared it with

730
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: her and she said, you know what, I think it

731
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: came from my mom. My mom would always speak against me,

732
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: like her mother was always speaking negative things over her

733
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Speaker 3: and you will never amount to anything. And it was like,

734
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Speaker 3: I think there's something there from an authority figure, because

735
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 3: a mother is an authority figure and they have impact

736
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: on your life, so does the father. So as parents

737
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 3: were going to be very careful of what we speaking

738
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Speaker 3: with our kids. But lo and behold with Patsy, I said, look,

739
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 3: you know, I want to pray for you. I'm not

740
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Speaker 3: going to lay hands on you. So I'm going to

741
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 3: stand on the other side of the room and I'm

742
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: going to pray for you. Yeah, and we're going to

743
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 3: rebuke this thing. And sure enough, I went into Hollygosts,

744
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 3: you know, like urban prayer with the door open. Yeah,

745
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: and lo and behold, you know. I prayed for like

746
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 3: three or four minutes, and that was it, and so

747
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: I went off. I went off for two weeks on

748
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 3: a trip to West Texas. She went off on some

749
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: business trip. I saw her about three or four weeks later.

750
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: I'd totally forgotten what happened because I was very busy

751
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 3: at the time, and she she came into my office

752
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 3: and I tell you now, she said, I am, and

753
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 3: that's the God's truth. And she named her child Christie

754
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 3: after Christ and that that person would not be in

755
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 3: existence had I not listened that morning and spoke the

756
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: truth over her wound and you say, well, who are you?

757
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 3: Did you think you're special? No, I don't. I literally

758
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: heard a voice that I believe is the spurd of

759
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 3: God and I moved it. And again, this is what

760
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: If we don't move, things don't happen, and this person

761
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: may not have existed. That's how you know. This is

762
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 3: this is where we're at. We need to move, we

763
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: need to do stuff right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, very great. So what have I not asked

765
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Speaker 2: you that you want to make sure you leave with

766
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: our audience?

767
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: I think the number one thing again, and it sounds

768
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: so oatmeal, but it's cultivating that relationship with Christ and

769
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 3: putting away Now. I want to talk about biblical meditation

770
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 3: and the importance of Briefly, if you don't mind, Biblical

771
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 3: meditation is a Puritan tradition that Oliver Cromwell even practiced.

772
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: And you'd say, well, what is this meditation? It is

773
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 3: not staring at a wall and going arm and all

774
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: this stuff. No, it is filling your mind with the

775
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: word of God. And Thomas Watson, who was a Puritan

776
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: back there in the time of Charles the first and

777
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 3: second when there was a mini revival going on in

778
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 3: England and of course, those revivalists came to the United

779
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 3: States and founders of this nation. But Dr Thomas Watson says,

780
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 3: without meditation, the truth of God will not stay with us.

781
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 3: The heart is hard and the memory slippy, slippery, and

782
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 3: without meditation all is lost. Meditation in prints and fastens

783
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: a truth in the mind. As a hammer drives a

784
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: nail to the head, so meditation drives a truth to

785
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Speaker 3: the heart. Without meditation, the word preached may not increase

786
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: or bring its affection. And so when I first got saved,

787
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 3: I memorized like two hundred scriptures with a yellow pad.

788
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 3: I wrote them out, and I just literally drummed them

789
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 3: into my soul. And as time went on, I found

790
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: that my ability to recall scripture was greatly increased because

791
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: I put in the dues. You know, if you want

792
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: a physical workout program, you've got to pay your dues.

793
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: Why don't we do the same thing in the spirit.

794
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 3: Why don't we have a fervency for memorizing God's word?

795
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: And that's going to be an anchor to our soul

796
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: in times of testing when we're making decisions. And there's

797
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: many a testimony down the years of me being a

798
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: little old petroleum engineer. Comically, the Lord has shown me

799
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 3: where the oil is, but all the spreadsheets are saying,

800
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 3: drill over here. The spirit is saying, no, it's over here.

801
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 3: And I happen to have these funny conversations where I

802
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: had to convince a room like against the science to

803
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: do this, and so yeah, anyway, it's been a fun ride.

804
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 3: The rational mind, right, the carnal mind wants to do

805
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 3: things a certain way. The spirit man, which is the

806
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: right side brain, which is connected to the gut, he's

807
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 3: going to guide you with that still small voice, that

808
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: peace level, that knowing on me in the guttural instinct

809
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: that I think women have got better off. Actually they're

810
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: better with the guttural instinct and hearing the voice of

811
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: God than men. I think men are rational and they

812
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: have to fight against the rationality because they're very psych driven,

813
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: whereas women are intuitive. So represent I'm just showing up right, yeah,

814
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 3: so but yeah, just cultivating that communion with your spirit man.

815
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 3: He's attached to the Holy Spirit. That is everything. Because

816
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 3: once you have communion and dialogue with God, there's got

817
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: to be in line with scripture. Of course, then you

818
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: can do great things in the earth. For him, sure, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And the idea of memorized, spending that time to memorize scripture,

820
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: it's almost like giving the Holy Spirit, I want to say,

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00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: an alphabet to work with, almost like it'll bring things

822
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: to mind that you know, line up with yes, bird

823
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: And it's not like he has to use an actual

824
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: you know, chapter, verse to quote. But it means that

825
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: there's a lot more tools that he can bring back

826
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: to your remembrance when we've already put that in into

827
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Speaker 2: our spirits.

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Speaker 3: And you just said it. It says that in John fourteen,

829
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Speaker 3: I believe the Spirit will bring it to our remembrance.

830
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Speaker 3: And you know, you think of the levitical priests had

831
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: to memorize the first five books to the Bible, they

832
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 3: had to know it. And even the children in Israel

833
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: even today, every time they memorize scripture, they get a

834
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: dab of honey on their tongue and it's like they

835
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 3: work at knowing the word, which is essential.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Watson even said the devil is an enemy of meditation.

838
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 3: He knows that meditation is a means to compose the

839
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 3: heart and bring it into a gracious frame. Satan is

840
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 3: content that you should be a hearing and praying Christian,

841
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: but not a meditating Christian. That friend, is where the

842
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: power is because if you abide in my word, and

843
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 3: my word abides, and you ask what you will, and

844
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: it shall be done unto you John fifteen seven. And

845
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: so the missing part is the word abiding in us,

846
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: that's where.

847
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: The power is, right, Yeah, absolutely, So where can people

848
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: go who want to learn more about you and maybe

849
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 2: pick up a copy of your book?

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00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 3: So my main is Carl Josephministries dot com. You'll find

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Speaker 3: over two hundred podcasts there, forty plus articles, various videos,

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Speaker 3: and it's really a knowledge base. You can just type

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Speaker 3: many different avenues and resources. And my book is available

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Speaker 3: main hubs and you can just it's called Lionheart Unleash

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Speaker 3: the Warrior Within. And it's also electronically available now I

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Speaker 2: Thank you for it, Yeah, absolutely, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: This has been really inspiring appreciate your time.

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