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<v Speaker 1>iTunes and Hilldale Warning, Glory and Evening Grace. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Weekend Pod America. I'm Hugh Hewett. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to lead off the podcast today with my monologue from

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<v Speaker 1>Friday which opened the program about losing your temper when

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<v Speaker 1>people just hit you from the side, I mean just

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<v Speaker 1>come out of nowhere and hit you with the side.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want you to be assured that though it's

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<v Speaker 1>a monologue, we got a great regular Big Weekend podcast

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<v Speaker 1>lineup ready to go and that includes that includes Eli

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<v Speaker 1>Lake from The Free Press, Charles CW. Cook from National Review.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got Big Ben Dominates from the Big Ben Podcast coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Along as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I'm going to go back and find

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<v Speaker 1>one of the highlights of the week, which is my

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<v Speaker 1>interview with Captain Mark Vandroff about United States Navy shipbuilding.

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<v Speaker 1>We did a three segment interview. It's about what the

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<v Speaker 1>President laid down on shipbuilding and I want everyone to

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<v Speaker 1>hear that, so we'll append that to the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Weekend Pod. Might be ten minutes longer than

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<v Speaker 1>normal this weekend, but I assure you every minute is

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<v Speaker 1>worth your time. Have a great weekend this summer, still

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of summer ahead. Don't let it end early.

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy summer to the fullest and listen to today's Weekend Pod Morning,

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<v Speaker 1>Glory and Evening Grace America. A great weekend to you.

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<v Speaker 1>It usually begins with me u q it on the

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<v Speaker 1>Qwitt Show. Welcome. Let me begin with breaking news on

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<v Speaker 1>Friday afternoon, order entered by the Chief Justice John Roberts

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<v Speaker 1>upon consideration of the application of Council for the applicants,

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<v Speaker 1>the response and the reply filed there too, it is

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<v Speaker 1>ordered that the preliminary injunction entered on April sixteenth, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six, by the United States District Court for the

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<v Speaker 1>District of Columbia, case number one twenty five CV for

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<v Speaker 1>three one six, is hereby I stayed pending further order

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<v Speaker 1>of the Chief Justice or of the Court. The construction

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<v Speaker 1>on the East Wing continues. Big win for President Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>big win for the Constitution, big win for the security

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<v Speaker 1>United States, big win for a coherent standing doctrine. Though

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<v Speaker 1>I do not want to explain it to you at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, it's a big win. And I've been talking

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<v Speaker 1>to riting about it all week long. Today the big

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<v Speaker 1>guns came in former Attorney General Bill Barr in the

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street Journal, former National Security advisor and superb lawyer

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<v Speaker 1>Robert C. O'Brien at Fox News making the same point,

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<v Speaker 1>you just have to update the East Wing. And we

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to talk too much about what's below the

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<v Speaker 1>East Wing, but what's below the East Wing is vitally

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<v Speaker 1>important to the national security. And the ballroom on top

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<v Speaker 1>of it has got to be not only big enough

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<v Speaker 1>for the biggest events that need to be held there,

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<v Speaker 1>but big enough to absorb and dissipate hits upon the

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<v Speaker 1>Executive Mansion in its grounds. Rit O'Brien in The Wall

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<v Speaker 1>Street in the Fox News read Bill Barr, good case,

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<v Speaker 1>good decision. Okay, Part two of the opening monologue. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like to lose my temper. I try very hard

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<v Speaker 1>not to. You know, good Catholic boys, you go through

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic education, you're taught don't lose your temper. You're taught

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of different things. Twelve years of Catholic school

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<v Speaker 1>and good Catholic practice. You're taught a lot of different

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<v Speaker 1>things about how to make arguments and win arguments, how

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<v Speaker 1>to play fair, and when to be righteously indignant. Happens,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes happens. I've been on broadcast for thirty seven years.

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<v Speaker 1>I count on my one hand number of times I

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<v Speaker 1>have been indignant and angered. Boy oh boy, Another occasion arose,

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<v Speaker 1>Another occasion arose. I'm trundling this more warning. I'm pretty calm,

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<v Speaker 1>getting my ten kN thanks to my relief factor, and

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<v Speaker 1>along comes well you should hear it, got number six thanks.

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<v Speaker 3>One last thing.

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<v Speaker 4>This is particular for our friend Hugh Hewitt, who of

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<v Speaker 4>course is a lifelong Cleveland Browns fan. He lives and

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<v Speaker 4>mostly dies with the Cleveland Browns. And we're now what

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<v Speaker 4>two weeks away from Hope springing eternal. In six weeks

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<v Speaker 4>from now, we'll have to express our condolences for what

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<v Speaker 4>I imagine is going to be another oh and five.

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<v Speaker 1>Or oh and six start.

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<v Speaker 4>But it gets worse for poor Hugh and his beloved

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<v Speaker 4>Cleveland Browns. The unveiled a stadium in graphics six. What

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<v Speaker 4>the hell is that?

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<v Speaker 1>For real?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's your stadium.

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<v Speaker 5>Did Darth Vader design this thing?

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<v Speaker 6>So it looks like.

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<v Speaker 7>Darth Vade designed the like Las Vegas Raiders one. You

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<v Speaker 7>know that that at least looks kind of what is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Dude?

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<v Speaker 4>So for our audio only listener, what it looks like

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<v Speaker 4>is that somebody had built this stadium and then hit

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<v Speaker 4>it with a sledgehammer and it just sort of broke

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<v Speaker 4>into pieces.

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<v Speaker 7>Like instead of building a stadium that it was like,

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<v Speaker 7>you're given seventeen triangles, build a stadium now, Like, I

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<v Speaker 7>don't even know architecturally how this works, Like what is

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<v Speaker 7>holding any of this up?

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<v Speaker 5>It looks like trash.

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<v Speaker 7>But like you see this on the skyt well, I

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<v Speaker 7>mean it's Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 8>They've got one triangle for every quarterback on the roster.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they do not.

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<v Speaker 7>Have a starting quarterback and they also do not have

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<v Speaker 7>Miles Garrett this season playing in a home game.

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<v Speaker 5>I do think they made a really smart design decision

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<v Speaker 5>here in the stadium. Well, if you look at this

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<v Speaker 5>the profile of this model, clearly the stadium must be

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<v Speaker 5>built into the ground. They've shoveled into the dirt to

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<v Speaker 5>build the stadium into the ground, which I think is

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<v Speaker 5>smart because Cleveland is a place where dreams go to die.

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<v Speaker 8>See that was a good one.

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<v Speaker 4>Mistoid wine mistake on the lake, baby, good one. That's

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<v Speaker 4>what it is, no question about it. Well, I believe

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<v Speaker 4>it or not. The thing that you're looking at for

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<v Speaker 4>our YouTube audience is two point six billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 9>Wow. Wow, it seems like a man.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like Shaun Watson's contract.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I think Pablo Pledge Scubar could probably reprice

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<v Speaker 4>some of that stuff because he's got a lot better

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<v Speaker 4>deal than whoever's building that stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>Unbelieved. So that was a drive by. I was just

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<v Speaker 1>trundling along this morning, minding my own business, listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the Ruthless Podcast as I want to do on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday and Friday to the Fellows. It's an R rated edition.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to warn innocent ears. Not for the young.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm I'm just out of nowhere. I'm Hugh Hewett

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<v Speaker 1>and and like they get out of the car and

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<v Speaker 1>they knock me down and they kicked me around for

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's Ashbrook. Ashbrook is a Bengals fan. I

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<v Speaker 1>think he led them. And then there's a Vikings fan in,

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<v Speaker 1>a Broncos fan and a Colts fan. It's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a bad mix of fan bases. I mean, it's really

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<v Speaker 1>a criminal group of There's not a Raiders fan in there,

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<v Speaker 1>but they probably have.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Wolf behind the camera is probably a Raiders fan. So

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<v Speaker 1>I just I kept my I will not lose my

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<v Speaker 1>temper again. I won't. I'll simply know that come the

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<v Speaker 1>end of twenty twenty seven, we will see who laughs.

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<v Speaker 1>Also want to know my last day simulcasting on c SPAN.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to thank them again. I have been on

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<v Speaker 1>c SPAN all week and I this morning Howard Mortman

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<v Speaker 1>posted a clip of an interview that the one and

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<v Speaker 1>only Brian Lamb did with me on Q and A

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen years ago. I want to play that clip for

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<v Speaker 1>you and then tell you a little bit about c

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<v Speaker 1>SPAN cut number two.

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<v Speaker 6>Why do you spend this much time on the radio

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<v Speaker 6>with all the background, your Harvard background, your Michigan background.

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<v Speaker 10>I think radio is the longest in the best form

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<v Speaker 10>of media that's left.

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<v Speaker 9>What we're doing right now is no hour.

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<v Speaker 10>Long conversations unprecedent only c Span does long form conversation anymore.

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<v Speaker 9>You and Charlie rose A think, guys, I know.

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<v Speaker 10>Who read books the way that I read books in

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<v Speaker 10>order to talk to the authors seriously. And it's tremendously

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<v Speaker 10>revealing when an author has had their book read these days,

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<v Speaker 10>because they don't get many people who've actually read their

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<v Speaker 10>books and know what they're talking about with page notes,

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<v Speaker 10>and it's so rewarding to them that I get a

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<v Speaker 10>great deal of satisfaction of an author who says to me,

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<v Speaker 10>in fact, the highest compliment is that's the best interview

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<v Speaker 10>I've had on this book tour. Just got it from

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<v Speaker 10>Charles Crothammer and love the interview on Things that Matter

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<v Speaker 10>his new collection of essays, some of which are old

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<v Speaker 10>but is autobiographical.

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<v Speaker 9>You know that makes my day.

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<v Speaker 10>So I like radio three hours is an abundance of

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<v Speaker 10>time and I can do so many different things.

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<v Speaker 6>Where specifically would we find you sitting every.

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<v Speaker 10>Day in Irvine, California, I have a studio or k

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<v Speaker 10>LA in California, I have a studio, and when I'm.

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<v Speaker 9>In Washington, DC, the Herritage Foundations lets.

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<v Speaker 10>Me use a studio, but my own studio, my own

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<v Speaker 10>personal studio is a very modest, probably eleven hundred square foot,

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<v Speaker 10>three rooms.

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<v Speaker 9>With a producer in front of me, Dwayne, an engineer

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<v Speaker 9>Adam on my left.

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<v Speaker 6>So the traditional radio setup, and what time of day

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<v Speaker 6>do you do it?

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<v Speaker 9>Three to six in the afternoon, West Coast time.

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<v Speaker 6>Biggest phill that you have nationwide, it's got to.

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<v Speaker 10>Be New York City AM nine seventy or CAERLAAM eight

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<v Speaker 10>seventy in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 9>So New York and Los Angeles are the biggest radio

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<v Speaker 9>markets in the world.

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<v Speaker 6>How long have you done this?

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<v Speaker 9>I began radio. That's a tricky question.

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<v Speaker 10>I began radio in nineteen eighty nine for KFI. I

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<v Speaker 10>began my syndicated show on July tenth, two thousand. So

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<v Speaker 10>I've been doing my syndicated national show for I Guess

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<v Speaker 10>the fourteenth year.

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<v Speaker 9>Now.

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<v Speaker 6>So you got a degree at Harvard and went to

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<v Speaker 6>University of Michigan.

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<v Speaker 9>I get a law degree.

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<v Speaker 6>And I understand you teach a chapman, you're part of

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<v Speaker 6>a law firm. You have this show. How can you

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<v Speaker 6>do all this?

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<v Speaker 10>I treat my life like college. When you go to college,

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<v Speaker 10>you have a schedule in your head. You know what

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<v Speaker 10>you're doing on Monday, Tuesdays, Wednesdays. Well, I'm at the

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<v Speaker 10>law school on Tuesdays and Thursdays. I'm in the studio

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<v Speaker 10>every afternoon. I met my law firm Monday, Wednesdays and Friday,

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<v Speaker 10>and then I travel quite a lot, and I juggle.

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<v Speaker 10>No one gets to do exactly what they want, but

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<v Speaker 10>I get pretty close. I've been very blessed in that

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<v Speaker 10>regard to always say to people, like the dean of

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<v Speaker 10>the law school who hired me, or Jim Dody, who

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<v Speaker 10>built Chapman University, I'd love to teach here. Can we

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<v Speaker 10>work it into the parameters of my life? And they

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<v Speaker 10>said yes? And Ed Atsinger allowed me. He's the man

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<v Speaker 10>who founded Salem Radio Network along with Stu Epperson, who

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<v Speaker 10>allowed me to build the studio in such a way

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<v Speaker 10>that I could both teach and practice law. So people

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<v Speaker 10>have been very accommodating, and I've learned to always ask

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<v Speaker 10>for what makes the most sense for me, and people

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<v Speaker 10>will usually work their way around it.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Brian lamp the guy asking the question best

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<v Speaker 1>interviewer in America? But I want to you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>Susan Swain, There's Peter Slann, there is of course, Howard Morton,

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<v Speaker 1>who posted that remarkable walking talking library of c SPAN memory,

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<v Speaker 1>John mccartial, Steve Scully, Greta Bronner, pedro Etceavera, John mccartial.

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<v Speaker 1>These people have done Q and A in Washington Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the name of the Washington Morning Show. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>remember it right now, but it's a fabulous group. They

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<v Speaker 1>are genuine conservatives in that they're conserving an institution of argument,

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<v Speaker 1>debate and discussion. They're conserving publishing. And if you're not,

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<v Speaker 1>you can keep watching me next week on SNC. We're

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<v Speaker 1>stay tuned, procom back America, as is my want on

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<v Speaker 1>the wen. Eli Lake is with me. Eli is with

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<v Speaker 1>the Free Press. He's the host of the Breaking History podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>which you should like and subscribe to. Always excellent when

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<v Speaker 1>it drops, and Eli knows Israel and Iran and the

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<v Speaker 1>war better than just about anyone. Eli, let's start there.

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<v Speaker 1>Economic d Day is coming Monday, but we've got a

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<v Speaker 1>preview on Friday when the UAE cut off foreign exchange

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<v Speaker 1>with Iran. Now they're relying on Turkey. What can Scott

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<v Speaker 1>Bessen do on Monday to even further tighten the screws

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<v Speaker 1>and the impact that's having on Iran.

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<v Speaker 11>If he announces and then the Twittery Department enforces secondary

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<v Speaker 11>sanctions on people buying the illicit Iranian oil, and that

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<v Speaker 11>would be significant. But my concern here is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 11>a lot of the President's threats, at least militarily in

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<v Speaker 11>the war have just been faints or bluffs, and in

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<v Speaker 11>order for this to be effective, it will have to

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<v Speaker 11>be a sustained effort over a period of time in

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<v Speaker 11>the run up to the midterm elections, and as we've

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<v Speaker 11>already seen in terms of how the market has reacted,

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<v Speaker 11>that's likely to mean that the price of oil is

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<v Speaker 11>going to spike and the price of the pump is

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<v Speaker 11>going to go up. And if Trump is motivated by

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<v Speaker 11>trying to stabilize the oil markets, I just hope that

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<v Speaker 11>he sticks with it. That's my one concern.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, oil dropped down below eighty seven dollars a barrel today.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a down day for oil, and part of that

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<v Speaker 1>is probably.

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<v Speaker 11>Though whatever when the story initially dropped, it went up.

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<v Speaker 1>I think now it's back down. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>because not long after that story came out, came a

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<v Speaker 1>second story to source, to anonymous administration sources that more

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<v Speaker 1>than a thousand ships have left the straight orror moves

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<v Speaker 1>in the last two months. We are running operation free

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<v Speaker 1>and we're just doing it sub rosa. Moreover, the pace

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<v Speaker 1>of construction of pipelines is kind of staggering, and you

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<v Speaker 1>may have already opened a second one. Again. No one's

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<v Speaker 1>talking much about this, but I thought we'd be in

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<v Speaker 1>for a hundred and twenty dollars well, not up to

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<v Speaker 1>the Biden level, one hundred and forty five but I

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<v Speaker 1>thought we'd get to one hundred, didn't you. Eli.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, And this is where you have to credit Trump

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<v Speaker 11>in a sense for the thing that I just kind

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<v Speaker 11>of criticized him for, which is that he has managed

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<v Speaker 11>to keep the price of oil kind of I mean,

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<v Speaker 11>it's relatively stable, or at least it hasn't spiked, you know,

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<v Speaker 11>too high. And in that respect, he's managed to do

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<v Speaker 11>that despite the war. And now I think you know

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<v Speaker 11>the genius of economic d day. The genius of this

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<v Speaker 11>approach is that again it will give the US and

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<v Speaker 11>its allies an opportunity to restock the much needed missile

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<v Speaker 11>interceptors and precision guide munitions that were running very, you know,

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<v Speaker 11>perilously low during the combat activities. So that's another advantage

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<v Speaker 11>to this approach, which is that the economic pressure can

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<v Speaker 11>buy time to restock our munitions.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the President did an interview with Michael Cohen which

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<v Speaker 1>is aired in part I'm not going to play it now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's too long. But he see how he would do

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<v Speaker 1>it over one hundred times if he had to do

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<v Speaker 1>it again, strike Iran, begin this to stop them, he

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<v Speaker 1>would do it one hundred times over. He couldn't let

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<v Speaker 1>it happen, and at the same time, Turkey got into

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<v Speaker 1>it with Israel this week. What did Israel do? Because

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<v Speaker 1>the Turkey is becoming a very great It's been a

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<v Speaker 1>problem for decades, but now it's becoming a great problem

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<v Speaker 1>for us. What happened there.

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<v Speaker 11>In the in the in the standoff with Israel. Yes,

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<v Speaker 11>I you know, I feel really bad, Hugh. I have

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<v Speaker 11>been focused on a big feature that'll be coming out

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<v Speaker 11>next week on on on on domestic issues. So you

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<v Speaker 11>fill me in.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, Israel struck a base in Syria, which Tish deployments,

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<v Speaker 1>and Turkey's upset, but Israel said, we told you it's coming.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not going to let you do this, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think Israel's in the right. Turkey can't go into Syria.

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<v Speaker 11>Oh, I mean the Turks have been I mean, the

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<v Speaker 11>rhetoric that has come out of Erwan and the Foreign

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<v Speaker 11>Minister's mouth as just outrageous at this point. And the

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<v Speaker 11>fact that they are still a good standing in NATO,

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<v Speaker 11>I think is a greater threat to the Alliance in

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<v Speaker 11>many ways than Trump's efforts to try to get the

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<v Speaker 11>European countries to sort of pay their own share. So

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<v Speaker 11>in that respect, I would. I would, I would say

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<v Speaker 11>that the Turks need to kind of But the problem

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<v Speaker 11>is that this is in the context of, you know,

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<v Speaker 11>Trump has really cozied up to Ertawan. There was recently

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<v Speaker 11>the approval of the F thirty five sales. So I

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<v Speaker 11>think they're getting mixed messages, and it would be nice

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<v Speaker 11>if there was a consistent message from Washington, because I

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<v Speaker 11>think that these kinds of teta TETs could be avoided

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<v Speaker 11>with a strong warning Trump and the White.

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<v Speaker 1>House approval on the F thirty five that was walked back. Eli,

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<v Speaker 1>you just you tease the story. What are you working on?

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<v Speaker 11>I just filed it. It's got to go through at its.

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<v Speaker 11>But I I did what I considered be a pretty

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<v Speaker 11>deep dive on how APAC, which is the American Israel

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<v Speaker 11>Public Affairs Committee, is really having probably its deepest crisis,

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<v Speaker 11>particularly within the Democratic Party. And what I try to

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<v Speaker 11>do is sort of tell the history of this moment

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<v Speaker 11>where you know, you now have factions, if not maybe

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<v Speaker 11>half of the Democratic Party maybe more, are now you know,

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<v Speaker 11>very hostile to what is an organization comprised of American

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<v Speaker 11>citizens that's been around now for more than seventy years,

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<v Speaker 11>that has been there to push for the US Israel

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<v Speaker 11>Alliance and and it's really about the future of of

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<v Speaker 11>the of the Democratic Party. Will it become like Jeremy

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<v Speaker 11>Corbyn's Labor Party. And I think sort of the story

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<v Speaker 11>of APAC, how it's tried to fight back with you know,

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<v Speaker 11>targeted sort of ad bys within primary races is an

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<v Speaker 11>underreported story. And what I try to do is sort

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<v Speaker 11>of tell it and sort of what happened and kind

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<v Speaker 11>of what happened to what used to be this bipartisan

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<v Speaker 11>consensus which I'm sure you remember, you you know, really

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<v Speaker 11>wasn't that long ago where it was not controversial to

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<v Speaker 11>say that you supported the US Israel Alliance.

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<v Speaker 1>The only time I interviewed Joe Biden was an a

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<v Speaker 1>PAC conference where I broadcast from the lobby and he

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<v Speaker 1>addressed it on the inside, and he stopped by and

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about how great Israel was. Let me ask

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<v Speaker 1>you this. Ram Emmanuel's old rabbi appeared next to Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Rodgers in Michigan yesterday saying to the Jews in Michigan,

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<v Speaker 1>I will not vote for abdul and you shut what

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<v Speaker 1>do you make of that?

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<v Speaker 11>That is really this is the thing, is that we

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<v Speaker 11>are starting to see in the in the Michigan race

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<v Speaker 11>for the general what you know, can pro Israel democrats

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<v Speaker 11>in that state? Can the Jewish Democrats in that state

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<v Speaker 11>hold their nose and vote for Ol Sayed? And what

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<v Speaker 11>is El Sayad willing to do? So far, he hasn't

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<v Speaker 11>been willing to do much to try to win those

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<v Speaker 11>voters back. And it I can I try to, let's

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<v Speaker 11>be empathetic. You try to think about it from the

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<v Speaker 11>respective of a Democrat. Would you rather potentially have control

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<v Speaker 11>of the Senate and which is very important for their

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<v Speaker 11>agenda and what they believe is kind of holding Trump accountable?

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<v Speaker 11>Or would you allow in somebody who I think really

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<v Speaker 11>is a level of a level of magnitude worse than

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<v Speaker 11>any kind of lawmaker roup scene in terms of hostility

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<v Speaker 11>to the Jewish.

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<v Speaker 1>State that should think because it's he's a Hassan Piker's surrogate. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Hassan Piker is not an Ol Sayads surrogate. Al Sayeed

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<v Speaker 1>is a song Piker surrogate who is a radical, is

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<v Speaker 1>a racist, misogynist, homophobic radical, and he uses the language

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<v Speaker 1>of violence, and El Sayeed is his messenger.

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<v Speaker 11>And by the way, and also anti American. It's not

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<v Speaker 11>just about Israel, oh, anti white American, anti.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Eli Lake. I look forward to the piece and

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<v Speaker 1>the Free Press. You ought to be a subscriber at

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<v Speaker 1>THEFP dot org and follow Eli on x at Eli Lake.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be right back with Charles c. W. A. Cook.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay where you are, Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewett,

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<v Speaker 1>joined by Charles C. W. Cook, Senior writer for a

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<v Speaker 1>National Review. Charles, I know you're a music of FI sionados.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to test your music knowledge. I have a

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<v Speaker 1>special theme song that leads into a special show that

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<v Speaker 1>I want to discuss with you. Can we queue it

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<v Speaker 1>up please?

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<v Speaker 12>Adam Charles said, if you coach, you have any idea

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<v Speaker 12>what that's from ACDC?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yes it is? And where has it recently been

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<v Speaker 1>employed as bumper music and theme music for a production?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Sas Rogue Heroes. Sas Rogue Heroes is a show I

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<v Speaker 1>was introduced to by my son and I started watching it.

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<v Speaker 1>Think it's about the sas in the Desert Campaign of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty one. Star is a fellow from Oxford. Stars

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of lunatic Scots. A lunatic Irishman, a lunatic Englishman.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a and they throw American in there just for fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen it yet?

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<v Speaker 13>I haven't, but your lost recommendation Ludwig was fantastic, so

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<v Speaker 13>I'll have to check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you will like rogue heroes. May not be

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<v Speaker 1>for the smalls. All right now, I'm gonna threw one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and eighty on you. Are you a fan of

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<v Speaker 1>Russell Kirk because he divides the Conservative House.

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<v Speaker 13>Sometimes I am a fan of Russell Cook. I don't

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<v Speaker 13>always agree with Russell Kirk, but as I always tell

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<v Speaker 13>people who ask about National Reviews internal disagreements, we exist

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<v Speaker 13>as a magazine both to host debates within the right

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<v Speaker 13>and to put out an editorial line. And obviously the

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<v Speaker 13>internal debates in which Russell Cook participatesd were crucial in

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<v Speaker 13>forging conservatism.

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<v Speaker 1>So I bring him up because last week in this space,

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Contnetty, we were talking about American constitutional law and

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<v Speaker 1>how I teach it, which is, you got to know

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<v Speaker 1>the Jews, the Greats, the Romans, and the Brits before

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<v Speaker 1>you get to seventeen eighty nine and even seventeen seventy six.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, well, that's The Roots of American Order by

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<v Speaker 1>Russell Kirk, and I said I didn't know that, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, oh, yes, I've ordered it, and I may

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<v Speaker 1>have read it decades ago. But I started to reread

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<v Speaker 1>The Conservative Mind in between, and in the course of

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<v Speaker 1>that I read The Conservative Mind the part about Disraeli

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<v Speaker 1>and Conservatives of imagination. Do you remember that, Charles.

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<v Speaker 13>So it's funny you mentioned this, because this is one

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<v Speaker 13>of the books that made me a conservative. And I

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<v Speaker 13>was given it by a friend of my dad's in France,

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<v Speaker 13>of all places. I think he was reading it on

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<v Speaker 13>vacation when I was about, I don't know, eighteen, and

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<v Speaker 13>I read the whole thing back to front and I

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<v Speaker 13>loved it. But I can't remember that, so I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 13>have to reread it was twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, his argument about Disraeli. I've always loved is Israeli.

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<v Speaker 1>First book that Richard Nixon ever gave me in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy eight was Lord Blake, Robert Blake's Disraeli, and I

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<v Speaker 1>read it, and I've always loved Disraeli since then. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember Russell Kirk writing this, because I probably

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<v Speaker 1>read it forty years ago. Maybe fifty years ago saying

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<v Speaker 1>Disraeli israelly. Udn'tfit a conservative. He's not a philosopher. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a diplomat, he's a politician, he's a writer. But what

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<v Speaker 1>he does is conservaive institutions. He's for the Crown, he's

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<v Speaker 1>for the church. It's for England. And I bring this

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<v Speaker 1>up because we're on c SPAN right now and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a very it's a triangular pool shot, and I began

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about that's what c SPAN has been doing for

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<v Speaker 1>forty seven years. They're preserving the American tradition of debate, argument, book, conversation,

0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:20.480
<v Speaker 1>serious stuff. As Lilac said earlier on the show this week,

0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:23.760
<v Speaker 1>it's the weather channel for smart people. Do you like

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<v Speaker 1>c SPAN?

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<v Speaker 2>I do?

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<v Speaker 9>I do.

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<v Speaker 13>I've done a whole bunch of stuff. We's got great

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<v Speaker 13>questions on c SPAN. I think I went on when

0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:35.240
<v Speaker 13>my book came out. I went on various cover stories

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<v Speaker 13>I've written for National Review, and you get the coolest

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<v Speaker 13>and left and right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always been a good channel.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so this brings me down to what they do.

0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:49.680
<v Speaker 1>They allow American debate to breathe on Washington Journal and

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the day. Right now, the DSA has arisen, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I really wanted to get to you,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk during the break. And on the other side,

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<v Speaker 1>the DSA is a French revolutionary movement. Do you agree

0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:02.080
<v Speaker 1>with me about that? They're not the glorious Revolution of

0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:05.440
<v Speaker 1>the American Revolution, They're the French Revolution. What do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're Jacobins.

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<v Speaker 12>Absolutely Well, explain for the audience what Jacobin means.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, the Jacobins were those who wished to start the

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:18.960
<v Speaker 13>world anew in the French Revolution. I mean, I always

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:24.000
<v Speaker 13>draw this comparison between the American Revolution and the glorious

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<v Speaker 13>Revolution that preceded it in England and the start the

0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 13>world a New revolutions in France, in Russia and in China.

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<v Speaker 13>The American Revolution was a conservative revolution of sorts. It

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:38.639
<v Speaker 13>wished to conserve much that was great and then build

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<v Speaker 13>on top of it. The DSA wants to burn America.

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<v Speaker 13>And I don't think that's hyperbole. They said they want

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<v Speaker 13>to get rid of what the Senate and the Presidency

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<v Speaker 13>and Congress and.

0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 2>The Supreme Court and the police and borders, and.

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<v Speaker 13>I mean, really, they're not trying to protect anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm going to talk with Charles about that during

0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:58.879
<v Speaker 1>the break and be back on the other side, whether

0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:01.480
<v Speaker 1>or not this is an anchor around the Democratic Party's

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<v Speaker 1>neck as I think it ought to be, is it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be right back. Stay tuned, Charles C. W. Cook

0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:10.200
<v Speaker 1>from National Review. We'll return. I'm back with Charles C. W. Cook,

0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and as I want to keep continuity for the C

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Span audience, I'll do a separate subject here, Charles. An

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:17.200
<v Speaker 1>hour and a half ago, the Supreme Court Chief Justice

0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:22.159
<v Speaker 1>Roberts entered a stay of the permanent injunction entered by

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<v Speaker 1>the District Court and upheld by the DC Circuit that

0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:27.159
<v Speaker 1>would have halted construction on the East Wing. I have

0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:30.440
<v Speaker 1>been writing and arguing for that or order by the

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:33.399
<v Speaker 1>Chief Justice all week long. Are you pleased with that?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it on standing grounds if you are, or on

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<v Speaker 1>the substant grounds of national security? As I've been arguing both.

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<v Speaker 13>I'm more convinced by the standing grounds. I thought Naomi

0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:48.639
<v Speaker 13>Raw was correct. I don't see how the plaintiffs have

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:50.760
<v Speaker 13>standing to sue in this case, and I think it

0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:54.439
<v Speaker 13>matches that they don't. I think that is potentially a

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:59.439
<v Speaker 13>national security argument. I think that can be taken to

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<v Speaker 13>Faugh probably wouldn't justify the complete construction of this project.

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<v Speaker 13>But I just don't think that the plaintiffs have the

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 13>standing to bring the case, and I think you should

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 13>have been status a result.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you're right about the raw opinion on standing. However,

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:17.920
<v Speaker 1>there was a filing before the court from the Army

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Corps engineers, which it's a little too much detailed for

0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 1>the public record. In my view, the ballroom is intended

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 1>to be built to absorb a first impact and then

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:32.879
<v Speaker 1>a second impact before it goes down. Maybe five floors

0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 1>are implied. That's not When I was in the White

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:38.679
<v Speaker 1>House staff in the eighties, there weren't five floors. They

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:40.639
<v Speaker 1>think there were four, So I think I went down deeper.

0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:42.919
<v Speaker 1>It was built by a Roosevelt in forty two, and

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 1>it's a Soviet era strength and bunker. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that the courts have any oversight over what the commander

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 1>in chief's headquarters are to be?

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<v Speaker 13>Well, I don't think they have a free standing authority

0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:03.080
<v Speaker 13>over it. There are some statutes in play here, and

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 13>they have a right to mediate those statutes. As I say,

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:11.359
<v Speaker 13>I just don't think that the plaintiffs have standing, and

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 13>I should say on the merits which is not relevant

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:15.879
<v Speaker 13>to the legal case. But on the merits, I have

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 13>been in favor of this project. I think that we

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 13>need this.

0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 2>If you look back.

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<v Speaker 13>Through the history of this White House, it has been

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:29.600
<v Speaker 13>constantly improved, from porticas and balconies to the constructions of

0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:33.240
<v Speaker 13>the East and West wing. Some of those projects we're

0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 13>done with Congress, some without, some with private money, some

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:36.439
<v Speaker 13>with public money.

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:37.880
<v Speaker 8>You know.

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<v Speaker 13>So this seems to me that this is a lot

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 13>of this is because it's Trump. I personally wish you

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 13>would talk about it less it's a matter of national

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 13>importance and talk about other things. But I don't have

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:52.080
<v Speaker 13>a problem with the project. So I think it depends

0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 13>on the question. But I don't think the court has

0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 13>any power here because I don't think that there's a controversy.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no country. And that's why I ask you

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.400
<v Speaker 1>for a Laman. You're very good on con law. And

0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm just curious because the Constitution anoints him the commander

0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>and cheap, doesn't it imply he's got to have a

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 1>place to run the army from sure.

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<v Speaker 13>Sure, but I mean under my understanding of the Statute

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 13>at state, because that he couldn't for example, Tad down

0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:26.680
<v Speaker 13>the all of the White House without approval. He's allowed

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:30.080
<v Speaker 13>to engage in improvements, and you get in then to

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:33.240
<v Speaker 13>the question of what improvements me Now, I think again,

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 13>this isn't really relevant because there's no standing, but I

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:38.479
<v Speaker 13>think that if that were litigated, this would count us

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 13>an improvement.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I use the word yeah.

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 1>If the planet hit it on nine to eleven, we'd

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 1>still be rebuilding it. But stand by, we're coming back

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 1>on the network to talk to essay. Welcome back. I'm

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Hugh Hewett, and welcome back, especially to our cheat Span audience.

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Charles C. W. Cook is still with me. Charles when

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>we went to break, we're talking about the DSA for

0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 1>the benefit of the audience who's just tuning in. The

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.760
<v Speaker 1>DSA will double the size of the squad in the Congress,

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.400
<v Speaker 1>almost certainly this year because it's deep blue district and

0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 1>they have DSA affiliates running in Michigan, Maine with Troy Jackson,

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Florida with Angie Nixon, Texas with James Tall Rico, Minnesota

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 1>with Peggy Flanagan, and of course the most radical of

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:28.160
<v Speaker 1>them all, Lsied in Michigan, who's actually a surrogate for

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 1>Hassan Piker, who is a violent anti American, misogynist, homophobic, racist,

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:40.240
<v Speaker 1>and violent rhetoric. What should are the Democrats taking this

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 1>problem seriously enough? Because Charles Schumer was out talking about

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 1>a big tent this week.

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 13>I don't think they're taking it seriously and off a tool.

0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:53.719
<v Speaker 13>I think that they're hoping to harness it. And it

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 13>wasn't just that Schumer said that the Democrats should be

0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 13>a big tent, which is an unobjectionable sentiment, although it

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 13>does depend on what he means by it. He said

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:07.479
<v Speaker 13>that the DSA had brought new energy and new people

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:08.440
<v Speaker 13>into the party.

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 2>That's a euphemism, that's an excuse.

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 13>They've certainly brought new energy and new people into the party,

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.120
<v Speaker 13>but the new people want to use that new energy

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 13>to take the party over. If you look at what

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 13>they say openly, they say that they don't want to

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 13>found a new party or run as a third party.

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 13>They want to take the Democratic Party, use its institutions,

0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:34.440
<v Speaker 13>use its primaries, use its name and fundraising abilities, and

0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 13>convert it into their own vehicle. So one gets the

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 13>impression that Schumer thinks he'll be eaten last.

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 1>And I get the impression that he'll be pushed over

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 1>the side and in the kurt on the way to

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:49.959
<v Speaker 1>the guillotine. However figuratively or literally, they put it together

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 1>because we had some clips this week of their co

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 1>chairman saying, our objectives are fundamental. Number one, we hate

0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 1>the United States Constitution. Number two, we want centralized power

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:06.360
<v Speaker 1>to do what is right for the whole people. That's leninist.

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's maoist. That's nothing to do with our

0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 1>ordered liberty. And I'm just amazed that anyone is buying

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:18.480
<v Speaker 1>that argument without alarm.

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, I mean they shouldn't be. The United States. I

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 13>think that's the oldest continuous written constitution in the world.

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:27.840
<v Speaker 13>And as I always ask people when I talk about this,

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 13>do you think it's an accident that we have that

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 13>constitution and that we've ended up in the position we're.

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 2>In, which is this incredible.

0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 13>Economy number one in the world, the number one military power,

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:46.720
<v Speaker 13>retaining so many liberties that other countries have shed. I

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 13>don't think it's an accident. I think it is the

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:52.040
<v Speaker 13>result of a variety of things, but one of them,

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:55.480
<v Speaker 13>maybe the main one, is the US Constitution. So when

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:57.480
<v Speaker 13>someone says they want to get rid of the Constitution.

0:32:58.200 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 13>You should hear them saying they want to get rid

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 13>of everything that it has created as well.

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 2>And I very much test.

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 1>And I go back to Russell Kirk chapter two of

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>The Conservative Mind. Chapter one's on Burke. Chapter two is

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>about John Adams, who he thinks is the greatest American Conservative,

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 1>who believed that the Constitution preserved a religious people. It

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 1>wasn't particularly demonstrative in his face. I guess you would

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 1>call him a Puritan. Madison was much more of an Episcopalian,

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 1>and Jefferson a deist, and Tom Payne was the radical.

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:36.480
<v Speaker 1>And Russell Kirk talks about ours is a conservative country

0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 1>because nobody gets to run us. I wonder if our

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:46.360
<v Speaker 1>education institutions have failed to communicate either basic morality through

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>sort of standard Judeo Christian teaching. And number two, why

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:54.640
<v Speaker 1>does it work? What you just said, why does it work?

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.680
<v Speaker 1>It works because power is kept out of one group

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<v Speaker 1>of hands.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, not just one group of hans at the federal level,

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:05.240
<v Speaker 13>but one group of hands vertically as well, in that

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:08.879
<v Speaker 13>we have fifty states and they're different, and it's a

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 13>wonderful thing to be able to live in the same

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:16.360
<v Speaker 13>country with the same flag and the same overall borders,

0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 13>but move within it. And you know, I'm a conservative.

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 13>I live in Florida. I think we have great governance,

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:24.400
<v Speaker 13>but there are states that are not like Florida that

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.320
<v Speaker 13>aren't a mess. And unfortunately California, which I love, is

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 13>a mess now. But Massachusetts is not a mess, and

0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 13>those those two states can exist under the same constitutional

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:38.240
<v Speaker 13>order and under the same flag, because we fracture power

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 13>here and I don't want to see that go away either.

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:40.960
<v Speaker 2>In fact, I think that.

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 13>Would be a recipe for real civil strife if we

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:47.840
<v Speaker 13>didn't have the ability to disperse power and allow people

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 13>some level of local autonomy. So the people in Massachusetts

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 13>felt comfortable in Massachusetts and people in Florida felt.

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Comfortable in Florida.

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 13>I think we'd be a lot angrier with each other

0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:57.479
<v Speaker 13>than we already are.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree that I want to land on Medicare for all.

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:03.360
<v Speaker 1>The only thing that unites all those dsays that I

0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:06.080
<v Speaker 1>talked about Troy Jackson in Maine and g Nixon in Florida.

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:09.799
<v Speaker 1>Your brand new Democratic nominee, Charle She's the wackiest of them.

0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Although I helped Abdul say it is really the most radical,

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.799
<v Speaker 1>she's whackier. They can only agree on one thing, the

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 1>slogan Medicare for all. It would destroy Medicare, and it's

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:23.319
<v Speaker 1>already an enormous budget sucked for Medicare, but it would

0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:25.640
<v Speaker 1>destroy Medicare. Do you think people understand that.

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they do yet.

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:30.960
<v Speaker 13>I do know that if you tell them that it

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:33.840
<v Speaker 13>would hurt Medicaire all their private health insurance, and people

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 13>turn against it pretty quickly. I think it's frankly insane

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:39.440
<v Speaker 13>that we're talking about this, given that we just learned

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 13>that we have a forty trillion dollar debt. Correct, there

0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 13>is no money to spend. Even if you raise taxes,

0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:48.800
<v Speaker 13>Even if you took all of the money and wealth

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:51.359
<v Speaker 13>that is owned by the billionaires and the one trillionaire,

0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 13>there's still no money. There's no money for this. And

0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:56.279
<v Speaker 13>I should just say, as somebody who grew up in

0:35:56.320 --> 0:36:00.320
<v Speaker 13>England and spent what twenty six years there under the

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:03.520
<v Speaker 13>National Health Service, I'm very strongly opposed to this, having

0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 13>experienced what that does to the healthcare system. So it's

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 13>not just that we can't afford it. I don't want it.

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:12.239
<v Speaker 13>I think we have a much better healthcare system in

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:14.320
<v Speaker 13>this country. It has problems that need to be fixed,

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<v Speaker 13>but that is not the way to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we should. Next time you're on, Charles, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to ask you to return to that. What was

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<v Speaker 1>the worst part about your nih growing up?

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<v Speaker 13>Well, the worst part of it is the waiting times,

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<v Speaker 13>which applied far more to members of my family than

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:30.879
<v Speaker 13>they did to me. Because I was a very young man,

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:33.760
<v Speaker 13>I didn't really need much medicine. But my father, who's

0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 13>nearly eighty, had to have a hip replacement recently, and

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<v Speaker 13>the National Health Service he's paid in all his life

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<v Speaker 13>served in the Air Force, told him it will.

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<v Speaker 2>Be three years. So what did he do? He spent money.

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<v Speaker 13>He didn't really have to go private and get the

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<v Speaker 13>hip replacement done.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he couldn't walk.

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<v Speaker 13>So, I mean, I think that is a betrayal that

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<v Speaker 13>Americans would just not accept. You know, Americans have a

0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.319
<v Speaker 13>great impatience when it comes to medical care. That's one

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 13>reason we spent so much, because Americans won't put up

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 13>with poor service. I just don't think they would put

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:07.160
<v Speaker 13>up with what Medicare for all would become. Unfortunately, by

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:09.320
<v Speaker 13>the time they didn't, it will be too late.

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<v Speaker 1>And we will talk about that. Next time with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles C. W. Cook. Here's the host of the Charles C. W.

0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Cook podcast. You hear him on the Editors. He writes

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:19.160
<v Speaker 1>for a National Review, and I'm glad to hear he

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<v Speaker 1>appears on Washington Journal often on c SPAN. Charles, Thank you.

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Follow him on exit, Charles c. W.

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<v Speaker 3>Cook.

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<v Speaker 1>Follow me the next segment of the Hugh Hewitt Show,

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<v Speaker 1>Born and Lord Evening, Grace America. I'm Hugh hewittt. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the Weekend That means. Big Ben Podcast host Ben

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:37.760
<v Speaker 1>dominic is with me. Follow Ben on exit. B Dominich

0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:40.960
<v Speaker 1>is the opinion editor at The Daily Wire, Fox News contributor,

0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:43.759
<v Speaker 1>as I said, host of a wonderful podcast, the Big

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Ben Pod. Ben, I want to begin by letting you

0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 1>know we are simulcasting today and having all week on

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 1>c SPAN, and you know we're on Fast TV every

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:56.120
<v Speaker 1>afternoon three to six on Roku and Pluto and Samsung

0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:59.200
<v Speaker 1>and Amazon Prime. But c Span asked us he wander

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:01.839
<v Speaker 1>three three hours with them for five days this week.

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I should, of course. I love. What do you think

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:05.040
<v Speaker 1>of Span?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, Hugh, I mean I grew up watching.

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 11>I knew it.

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<v Speaker 8>Am I mean, like, are you kidding. It's the best

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 8>network ever. It's fantastic it uh. And it also, you know,

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:22.759
<v Speaker 8>it has the distinct honor of being a network that

0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:27.400
<v Speaker 8>dramatically changed American politics, which not everybody can say, you know,

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:32.000
<v Speaker 8>in terms of its its role in accelerating and emphasizing

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:36.520
<v Speaker 8>the gingrich populist revolution that took that took place in

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 8>the early nineties, but obviously you know, started well before

0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 8>then in in terms of giving the ability of politicians,

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:48.920
<v Speaker 8>particularly you know, rebel Republican politicians h to h to

0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:54.160
<v Speaker 8>fight back against uh, the dominant democratic agenda of the day.

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<v Speaker 8>And so from my perspective, look, se SPAN is the

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 8>best and uh and I've congratulations for being able to

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:03.759
<v Speaker 8>have that kind of relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I want to do it. Everyone has said the

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:08.880
<v Speaker 1>same thing as my guest Lilac said it best. C

0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 1>SPAN is the weather channel for smart people. But I

0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:16.960
<v Speaker 1>actually it's nonpartisan, it's bipartisan, but it is fundamentally conservative.

0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:19.239
<v Speaker 1>And I just had this discussion with Charles C. Cook

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<v Speaker 1>about Russell Kirk's The Conservative Mind, a chapter on Disraeli.

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 1>This really wasn't a philosopher, but he was all about

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<v Speaker 1>conserving institutions, you know, the throne, the crown, the Church

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 1>of England, and I think c SPAN is about conserving debate, argument,

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 1>visibility of the legislative process, hearings and informed citizenry. They're

0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:44.360
<v Speaker 1>they're transformative and they're coming up on fifty years and

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 1>it all sprang from the brain of Brian Lamb of

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<v Speaker 1>Lafayette and Purdue.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>No, I think that it's a phenomenal treasure. And I

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<v Speaker 8>think that, you know, one of the things that has

0:39:55.440 --> 0:40:00.400
<v Speaker 8>actually been frustrating to you followed this, but some of

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:03.279
<v Speaker 8>these streaming services don't have c SPAN because you know,

0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:06.440
<v Speaker 8>I did not know that for cable and so you know,

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 8>it's all the cable networks that carry it, and so

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:11.880
<v Speaker 8>I actually think that needs to be something that they

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<v Speaker 8>actually adopt and maybe they you know, maybe there's some

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 8>reason that they don't do it. But I think s

0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 8>SPAN's phenomenal and congratulations on being able to do a simulcas.

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<v Speaker 8>The one thing I will say is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>I think that some of the best moments in c

0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 8>SPAN history, you know, have been have been once where

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 8>there was there was a question asked that was not anticipated,

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 8>Oh yes, you do you have a favorite moment by

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 8>the way in c SPAN history. I mean, you know,

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:45.000
<v Speaker 8>not necessarily you know the the hcle you know, hearing stage.

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<v Speaker 1>Howard Moran played it today a conversation with Brian lam

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:51.279
<v Speaker 1>where he asked me questions I wasn't prepared for. But

0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:53.759
<v Speaker 1>my very first appearance was in nineteen eighty seven when

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:56.400
<v Speaker 1>I was testifying as the General Counsel of OPM. I

0:40:56.440 --> 0:40:58.719
<v Speaker 1>put a pencil in my ear because Jerry's of course,

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:01.000
<v Speaker 1>he was yelling at me. I didn't realize how bad

0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 1>that looked on TV till my phone got you I

0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:06.120
<v Speaker 1>got like ten calls from my parents and my grandfather.

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:08.399
<v Speaker 1>What are you doing? You got a pencil in your cause?

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<v Speaker 1>I just play them with my Well.

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<v Speaker 8>I have to give a compliment out to my old

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:16.799
<v Speaker 8>friend will Ron, who was once on you Know on

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:21.399
<v Speaker 8>the Morning Show and was asked about a headline at

0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:23.440
<v Speaker 8>the Daily Caller, where he worked at an editor at

0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:26.919
<v Speaker 8>the time, concerning Chelsea Clinton. I don't remember what the

0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:30.480
<v Speaker 8>headline was, but I do remember that his response to

0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:33.880
<v Speaker 8>the question was, yes, that's a cheap shot. Sometimes we

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:34.560
<v Speaker 8>take them.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know Sam fight. You must know Sam?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, so Sam is their new CEO. Perfect choice.

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Got foots in both knows everybody in town. It's perfect,

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:49.080
<v Speaker 1>but they're going to have to come up with some

0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:51.400
<v Speaker 1>new interviewers. Right. Peter Slenn has done this for a

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:55.840
<v Speaker 1>long time, Brian has retired, Susan Swains retired. They're getting

0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:57.840
<v Speaker 1>new people. I think you'd be good at it, and

0:41:57.880 --> 0:41:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Cotton Eddy would be good at it. Don't you have

0:41:59.880 --> 0:42:01.960
<v Speaker 1>to read the books? Don't you think that's a necessity.

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<v Speaker 8>I think it's a necessity. And I say, give me

0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:08.560
<v Speaker 8>a call. I will happily run it up the flagpole

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<v Speaker 8>to see if I have the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no one objects to it. Now, let me turn

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:15.400
<v Speaker 1>to a few other things. Spring Court ruled today Chief

0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Justice did. He continued the stay of the d C

0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:22.959
<v Speaker 1>circuits were to continue the injunction that District Court Judge

0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Leon put into place, so there East Wind construction can continue.

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:29.360
<v Speaker 1>This is the right decision. I've been arguing and writing

0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:31.799
<v Speaker 1>about it for two weeks. Bill Barr weighed in in

0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:34.600
<v Speaker 1>the Wall Street Journal today, a former national security advisor

0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 1>O'Brian wade in and Fox News they all said national security.

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:40.239
<v Speaker 1>It's national security and there is no standing. So he

0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:42.360
<v Speaker 1>got it right. I've never really been in depth, and

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:44.680
<v Speaker 1>until you see it, you don't know it because those

0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:47.840
<v Speaker 1>two Circuit Court judges went along for the ride. Naomi

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:50.279
<v Speaker 1>Ross said, your nuts, What do you think about this

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 1>whole crazy litigation?

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<v Speaker 8>I think it's absolutely insane, Hugh, and I just thought,

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, are we entering a new era where people

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:05.560
<v Speaker 8>are operating under the assumption that certain things that are

0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:09.120
<v Speaker 8>under the under the ages of the President of the

0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:12.400
<v Speaker 8>United States, the commander in chief need to be pulled

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<v Speaker 8>away from him just because of the guy who's there.

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<v Speaker 8>And I realized that that was something that happened quite

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:20.279
<v Speaker 8>a lot on the fringes in the first term. But

0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:22.719
<v Speaker 8>it seems like that's one of the enduring aspects of

0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:26.279
<v Speaker 8>this second term that really, I mean, it's absurd. You know,

0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:28.520
<v Speaker 8>it doesn't make any sense on its safe. You wouldn't

0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:31.040
<v Speaker 8>want this to be the similar situation on the other side,

0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 8>if you had someone with the letter that you prefer

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:37.799
<v Speaker 8>after their name, you know, occupying that office. You know

0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:40.920
<v Speaker 8>that's that's a joke. And you know, concluding by the way,

0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 8>I mean, I don't know what you thought about that

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:45.319
<v Speaker 8>interview with Todd blanche that happened last weekend, you know,

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 8>but It was one of these things where you know,

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 8>of course, you know that the Department of Justice, you

0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:52.320
<v Speaker 8>know that the idea that the Attorney General of the

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:54.240
<v Speaker 8>United States is not going to listen to the president,

0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:56.560
<v Speaker 8>is not going to respond to the president, it's absurd.

0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:59.280
<v Speaker 8>And when it comes to these types of decisions as well,

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:02.839
<v Speaker 8>you know, look, I want and I've said this repeatedly,

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:07.960
<v Speaker 8>you know, under Obama, under Biden, you know, etc. I

0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:11.319
<v Speaker 8>want the elected president of the United States to be

0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:15.720
<v Speaker 8>determining our foreign policy, to be directing our national security policy,

0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 8>to be the commander in chief. And I and even

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:23.200
<v Speaker 8>if that means that that's a Democrat, that's something that

0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:26.120
<v Speaker 8>I want because the opposite of that is something that

0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:30.920
<v Speaker 8>is not actually a representative republic. It is not something

0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:33.920
<v Speaker 8>that actually responds to the people. And we can't have

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:37.240
<v Speaker 8>a situation where people are usurping that as.

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 1>A unitary executive, I work for two attorney general and

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:43.239
<v Speaker 1>General Blanche is absolutely right. And General Barr, who would

0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:45.759
<v Speaker 1>argue with the president and eventually quit, he's in the

0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 1>journal today saying, Hey, this is his and he's the

0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:51.359
<v Speaker 1>commander in chief. And I also think we're living this

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:53.279
<v Speaker 1>is not eighteen twelve. We're not going to get noticed

0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:56.000
<v Speaker 1>that the British are coming. The missiles are going to

0:44:56.080 --> 0:44:57.840
<v Speaker 1>hit the White House, and you've got to get the

0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:01.480
<v Speaker 1>President and the bunkers. It's that simple. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>And I also think just one more point on this.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, the thing that I think is so disturbing

0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:10.920
<v Speaker 8>about this conversation is that I think people are going

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:13.359
<v Speaker 8>to take a lot of lessons out of this, uh uh,

0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:17.040
<v Speaker 8>this Trump experience over the first and second term that

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:19.759
<v Speaker 8>are going to lead them to make a bunch of

0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:22.759
<v Speaker 8>very bad decisions, you know, and you and you see

0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:25.480
<v Speaker 8>this repeatedly, of course, and you've seen this when it

0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:28.640
<v Speaker 8>comes to legal decisions that are based on unique cases

0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 8>or you know, situations that do not actually reflect, you know,

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:36.480
<v Speaker 8>the typical experience of the law. People are going to

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:38.440
<v Speaker 8>take the wrong lessons from this, and they're going to

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:40.600
<v Speaker 8>start applying them in ways that I think could be

0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:43.279
<v Speaker 8>quite dangerous going forward. We have to guard against that

0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:44.319
<v Speaker 8>and we have to be aware of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. I want to before we go to break, and

0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:48.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to talk to you during the break about

0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:50.960
<v Speaker 1>your podcast Diet, but while we're on c SPAN, I

0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:53.520
<v Speaker 1>want to thank you for the recommendation of Spencer Claven,

0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:55.760
<v Speaker 1>who was on this week. I want the hosts.

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:58.040
<v Speaker 8>I'm glad you had him on. I hope that that

0:45:58.120 --> 0:45:59.520
<v Speaker 8>was a good interview. I haven't had a chance to

0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:01.560
<v Speaker 8>listen to it, yeah, but I hope it was good.

0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:08.680
<v Speaker 1>He is incandescently smart. I mean at just Flamethrower telling you.

0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 8>I'm telling you, he's like top five young people smart,

0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 8>Like it's really it's really impressive. And he's he's such

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:21.800
<v Speaker 8>a literary mind he has it's not just references, it's awareness,

0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:24.120
<v Speaker 8>it's it's something that I think is really, you know,

0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:26.440
<v Speaker 8>something that we should applaud. And I'm so glad that

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:27.440
<v Speaker 8>you had to stand to talk.

0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:29.680
<v Speaker 1>With Well, thank you, and we're recommended. I had Michael

0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:31.799
<v Speaker 1>Noles on this week from The Daily Wire. I've known

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Michael fro while, so I knew I was getting he's

0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:36.040
<v Speaker 1>always very smart. But Spencer I had and had on before.

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:39.440
<v Speaker 1>And we're talking about C. S. Lewis h and that

0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 1>hideous strength, and we're talking about you know, model in college,

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:47.040
<v Speaker 1>and we're talking about Descartes and not daycart he's doing, uh, divine,

0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:51.240
<v Speaker 1>what's he's doing? He's doing not divine comedy? He's doing Inferno,

0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:55.319
<v Speaker 1>Dante's Inferno right now on young Heretics, and I just

0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:58.160
<v Speaker 1>was blown over. He has not read The Looming Tower though.

0:46:58.040 --> 0:47:01.480
<v Speaker 8>Ben, Oh, that's that's well, but that's a gap. But

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:06.200
<v Speaker 8>here's the thing. Got to understand literary first.

0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:09.120
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, so how many other people like

0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:11.440
<v Speaker 1>that are you hiding over at the Daily Wire?

0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 8>Well, let me tell you you. I'm trying to cultivate

0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:19.959
<v Speaker 8>you know, you gotta you gotta, you gotta harvest your nuts,

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:21.480
<v Speaker 8>you gotta steeven season your crowd.

0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that our job? I mean, we're gonna go to

0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Isn't it our job to find the good and praise it?

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<v Speaker 1>To quote Lamar Alexander who used to quote Alex Haley

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<v Speaker 1>all the time and define young talent and promote it absolutely.

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<v Speaker 8>And one of the one of the things that I

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<v Speaker 8>think is the is to the detriment of our industry

0:47:40.000 --> 0:47:42.560
<v Speaker 8>is that some people have the attitude that you know,

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<v Speaker 8>anyone who comes up who is in some way within

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:49.239
<v Speaker 8>my space their competition. I have the opposite view. I

0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:51.799
<v Speaker 8>have the view that you you want to cultivate them,

0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:53.239
<v Speaker 8>you want to train them, and you want to see

0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:54.960
<v Speaker 8>them go on to great success.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how Fred Building and Dick Howser ran the

0:47:57.760 --> 0:48:00.799
<v Speaker 1>White House Counsel's Office under with the exception of under

0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:03.360
<v Speaker 1>President Reagan. And that's why we have a Chief Justice Roberts.

0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:05.760
<v Speaker 1>They hired the best and the brightest. They all became judges.

0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:08.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about me. I became a talk show host.

0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:10.279
<v Speaker 1>But I'm gonna stay with Ben. He's coming back on

0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:12.359
<v Speaker 1>the other side. Don't go anywhere. Well, talk DSA when

0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:14.520
<v Speaker 1>we're back on the Hugh hewittt Show. So I'm dying

0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:16.439
<v Speaker 1>with Ben Dominis during the break, and I've been talking

0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:19.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot about podcast this week. Ben, what is your

0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:22.560
<v Speaker 1>podcast diet? Because I got mugged. In fact, I'm going

0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:25.440
<v Speaker 1>to play this for you. This is so outrageous. I'm

0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:29.320
<v Speaker 1>running my run this morning listening to the Ruthless podcast,

0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:32.160
<v Speaker 1>and an hour and seven minutes into it, out of

0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:34.000
<v Speaker 1>left field comes this cut number six.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks one last thing.

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<v Speaker 4>This is particular for our friend Hugh Hewitt, who of

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:42.960
<v Speaker 4>course is a lifelong Cleveland Browns fan. He lives and

0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:45.920
<v Speaker 4>mostly dies with the Cleveland Browns. And we're now what

0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:49.239
<v Speaker 4>two weeks away from Hope springing Eternal in six weeks

0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:52.440
<v Speaker 4>from now, we'll have to express our condolences for what

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:54.799
<v Speaker 4>I imagine is going to be another oh and five

0:48:55.000 --> 0:48:56.000
<v Speaker 4>or oh and six start.

0:48:57.000 --> 0:48:59.920
<v Speaker 6>But it gets worse for poor and then they go.

0:48:59.880 --> 0:49:02.160
<v Speaker 1>On to kick me and all the Browns about the

0:49:02.200 --> 0:49:06.560
<v Speaker 1>stadium designing Cleveland for two minutes, Ben Dominics. Isn't that

0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:08.680
<v Speaker 1>like a tort Isn't that wrong?

0:49:11.040 --> 0:49:11.279
<v Speaker 3>Look?

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, first off, that's that's what these guys do. It.

0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:19.160
<v Speaker 8>Don't be surprised like that. At the same time, I

0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:24.400
<v Speaker 8>gotta be quite honest, you your team has a quarterback problem,

0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:27.480
<v Speaker 8>and not a problem anywhere else. You have had right

0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:32.480
<v Speaker 8>talented groups of young players that we have in uh,

0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.200
<v Speaker 8>you know, in the AFC. I would argue the AFC North,

0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:39.160
<v Speaker 8>you know, is an aging division in particular. But like

0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:42.120
<v Speaker 8>the Browns have actually drafted really well at least I

0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:46.960
<v Speaker 8>mean bas back years. Yeah, and so I think that Frankly,

0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:49.120
<v Speaker 8>you know, this is one of those situations where look,

0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:50.799
<v Speaker 8>you see what this year looks like and then you

0:49:50.840 --> 0:49:53.280
<v Speaker 8>play it out. But you've just got a quarterback problem,

0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:53.879
<v Speaker 8>that's all you've got.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, we trade the Cavaliers traded for Watson

0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 1>this week. Peyton Watson from the Denver Nuggets. He's the

0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:03.240
<v Speaker 1>sending player in the language of the world, Deshaun Watson

0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:05.120
<v Speaker 1>a descending player. He's not going to be here in

0:50:05.160 --> 0:50:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the year. I mean, he's done it. Why don't we

0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:08.560
<v Speaker 1>start Shudoor Sanders.

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<v Speaker 8>No, I think you're completely right about that, and I

0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:13.120
<v Speaker 8>don't see why you wouldn't do it. I mean, you

0:50:13.400 --> 0:50:16.799
<v Speaker 8>start Shoudre. You know if if he flames out, you know,

0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:19.440
<v Speaker 8>you can have the situation with Gabriel. I don't see

0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:21.959
<v Speaker 8>why you should send any time on Watson anymore. But look,

0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:25.239
<v Speaker 8>the thing that I would say about this is I

0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:30.960
<v Speaker 8>actually my podcast diet. I almost exclusively listen to sports

0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:36.600
<v Speaker 8>and comedy podcast so I is my escape from politics.

0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:40.080
<v Speaker 8>I do, you guys do. But when they wade into

0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:43.400
<v Speaker 8>this stuff, look, you know, I think that they the

0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:47.960
<v Speaker 8>decision to specifically bust your balls over this issue is

0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:49.160
<v Speaker 8>Regie said that.

0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:52.200
<v Speaker 1>When we're off there. Yes, but I mean, but what

0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:55.640
<v Speaker 1>it is so without warning they know I listen every day,

0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:58.160
<v Speaker 1>and so I'm doing my very slow run and out

0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:01.520
<v Speaker 1>of nowhere I get run over by a car ruthless podcast.

0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:04.279
<v Speaker 8>I mean, they easily could have done that with me

0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:06.279
<v Speaker 8>and Jayden Daniels and the number five.

0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, but I'm mourning you. You don't let your guard

0:51:10.120 --> 0:51:12.520
<v Speaker 1>down with ruthless. I'm coming back with Ben and we're

0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:15.160
<v Speaker 1>going to talk about the DSA after I stump him

0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:26.960
<v Speaker 1>with my music of the week. Stay with us, Welcome back, America.

0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:31.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm you Gewett. Ben Dominic Shu is the opinion editor

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:34.920
<v Speaker 1>for The Daily Wire, Fox News contributor, host of The

0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Big Ben podcast and Music Fado. Do you know what

0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:39.120
<v Speaker 1>that is? Ben?

0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:46.319
<v Speaker 8>I mean that sounds similar to the Motley Crue song,

0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 8>but I don't know who that is.

0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:51.440
<v Speaker 1>It is ac DC singing Live Wire and it has

0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:55.560
<v Speaker 1>recently been featured prominently in a new or relatively new

0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:58.439
<v Speaker 1>streaming series. I wanted to ask if you have seen

0:51:58.520 --> 0:52:01.680
<v Speaker 1>it called Essay Rogue Heroes.

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<v Speaker 8>I have not, and so that I am unfamiliar with that.

0:52:05.680 --> 0:52:09.080
<v Speaker 8>But it's not it is a Motley Crue song, right, that's.

0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:12.200
<v Speaker 1>No, it's a CDC. Okay, all right, close enough. But

0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:15.320
<v Speaker 1>this is about the British sas in the nineteen forty

0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:19.120
<v Speaker 1>one Desert campaign. Is Rommel chasing them across Africa and

0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:23.480
<v Speaker 1>it's fabulous. You're too young for rat Patrol. Rat Patrol

0:52:23.560 --> 0:52:25.680
<v Speaker 1>was a dressed up American version of this. But this

0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:31.000
<v Speaker 1>is very r rated and very not untrue. All right,

0:52:31.040 --> 0:52:31.959
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not gonna say based.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, I'm always Ronel. I read your book. I'm

0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:43.320
<v Speaker 8>not very interested in that. It's it's no Look, this

0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:47.239
<v Speaker 8>is a this is a challenge when it comes to

0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:51.600
<v Speaker 8>music for you. I could definitely beat you when it

0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:57.319
<v Speaker 8>comes to challenges on country and rock music from the

0:52:57.440 --> 0:53:00.280
<v Speaker 8>last couple of decades.

0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Forty years. I stopped in the nineteen seventies.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, but then that means he stopped when it was

0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:09.160
<v Speaker 8>a aatique, So you should think about it that way,

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:09.480
<v Speaker 8>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Just when it's littering the disco. I ran away, all right, Ben,

0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:15.320
<v Speaker 1>let's get Sari. The DSA is running. They're going to

0:53:15.440 --> 0:53:17.680
<v Speaker 1>double the size of the squad with hard left members,

0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:19.319
<v Speaker 1>and they'll have the balance of power if they get

0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:22.640
<v Speaker 1>the majority in the House. They're running DSA crazies, Troy

0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:27.280
<v Speaker 1>Jackson and Maine, Angie Nixon in Florida, uh Talla Rico

0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:29.960
<v Speaker 1>in Texas. We've got Peggy planning it in Minnesota. And

0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:32.640
<v Speaker 1>the worst of them all, the radical Abdul l say Ed,

0:53:32.880 --> 0:53:38.000
<v Speaker 1>who's actually a surrogate for Hassan Piker, who's a violent rhetoric, racist, misogynist,

0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:42.399
<v Speaker 1>hater of Israel and really America, and I really think

0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Elsai Ed's his surrogate. Are the Democrats alarmed enough about this?

0:53:49.480 --> 0:53:51.520
<v Speaker 8>They're not alarmed enough about it. But I also don't

0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:54.440
<v Speaker 8>think that Republicans are alarmed enough about it. I think

0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:55.880
<v Speaker 8>that they think that this is some kind of a

0:53:55.960 --> 0:53:59.120
<v Speaker 8>dand for them, I think that they're traumatically underestimating the

0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:01.799
<v Speaker 8>possibility that the majority of the candidates that you just

0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:05.799
<v Speaker 8>mentioned could win, and I include else I had in

0:54:05.840 --> 0:54:11.280
<v Speaker 8>that number. You know, the situation in this election cycle

0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:14.480
<v Speaker 8>is very negative for Republicans. We know that we've been

0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:17.640
<v Speaker 8>talking about it, but the truth is that I don't

0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:22.600
<v Speaker 8>think that the Republican electorate necessarily understands yet how close

0:54:22.640 --> 0:54:27.799
<v Speaker 8>they could come to losing not just you know, representation

0:54:27.880 --> 0:54:31.000
<v Speaker 8>in terms of the majorities in the House and Senate,

0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:35.920
<v Speaker 8>but also I think, you know, the argument over capitalism

0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:39.240
<v Speaker 8>in the country, over the posture of the nation going forward.

0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:43.520
<v Speaker 8>I think it's a lot more close to breaking in

0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:47.040
<v Speaker 8>the direction of these far left DSA candidates than people

0:54:47.080 --> 0:54:50.520
<v Speaker 8>really have understood. And and Hugh, I think it's I

0:54:50.520 --> 0:54:53.360
<v Speaker 8>think it's really unfortunate. You know, we saw some reporting

0:54:53.920 --> 0:54:56.600
<v Speaker 8>you know, this week that you know, the President is

0:54:56.640 --> 0:54:59.160
<v Speaker 8>finally going to be pumping some money out of his

0:54:59.760 --> 0:55:03.880
<v Speaker 8>own political action group that his you know, the tens

0:55:03.880 --> 0:55:06.160
<v Speaker 8>of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars that he's raised,

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:09.600
<v Speaker 8>he's going to start sending that into these various you know, campaigns,

0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:11.760
<v Speaker 8>and he's going to start trying to have an impact.

0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 8>I am not sure how quickly that's going to move,

0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:17.840
<v Speaker 8>but it needs to happen now, and it needs to

0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:21.600
<v Speaker 8>happen quickly because these play these people are behind, and

0:55:21.640 --> 0:55:23.960
<v Speaker 8>they're behind in a significant way. And one of the

0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:27.880
<v Speaker 8>things that I think we should understand about the dynamics

0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:30.080
<v Speaker 8>that's going on. We had a piece this week at

0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:33.960
<v Speaker 8>The Daily Wire from Dylan Houseman, who's our managing editor,

0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:37.359
<v Speaker 8>who went down to Florida and watched the situation with

0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:42.279
<v Speaker 8>the failed Fishback campaign the primary down there obviously where

0:55:42.320 --> 0:55:44.840
<v Speaker 8>Fishback came in, you know, with only ten percent. It

0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:46.920
<v Speaker 8>was still ten percent, by the way, which is higher

0:55:46.960 --> 0:55:50.200
<v Speaker 8>than I thought you might get. And and what he

0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:53.120
<v Speaker 8>took away was that the young voters who were down

0:55:53.160 --> 0:55:57.719
<v Speaker 8>there were not actually animated by anti Israel, you know, animus.

0:55:57.920 --> 0:56:00.880
<v Speaker 8>They were not people who were talking about the terrible

0:56:00.920 --> 0:56:04.400
<v Speaker 8>influence of APAK. They were people who were complaining about

0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:07.880
<v Speaker 8>data centers. They were complaining about plot cameras, they were

0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:12.000
<v Speaker 8>complaining about inflation, they were complaining about costs of living. Like,

0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:16.880
<v Speaker 8>those are all issues where I think Republicans have vulnerabilities

0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:19.520
<v Speaker 8>that they just haven't addressed yet. And I worry that

0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:23.759
<v Speaker 8>people are underestimating the idea that you know, these radicals

0:56:23.920 --> 0:56:27.120
<v Speaker 8>they're just too crazy to win. They could win if

0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:30.359
<v Speaker 8>they can pull off this game that they play, where

0:56:30.360 --> 0:56:32.839
<v Speaker 8>it's basically like Abuela al Sayet is going to be

0:56:32.960 --> 0:56:35.480
<v Speaker 8>running all the way into election day saying I'm about

0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:39.359
<v Speaker 8>healthcare costs, I'm about covering everybody, and if people believe him,

0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:39.960
<v Speaker 8>he could win.

0:56:40.520 --> 0:56:42.919
<v Speaker 1>Well. I think we ought to run one ad, which

0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:46.480
<v Speaker 1>is here's Hassan Piker and then bleep out the F bombs,

0:56:46.520 --> 0:56:49.080
<v Speaker 1>but really, don't just start what he said. He said

0:56:49.080 --> 0:56:52.600
<v Speaker 1>so many radical crazy stuff. He hates America. He just

0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:55.560
<v Speaker 1>hates America and he wants to destroy it, and he

0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:58.640
<v Speaker 1>hates Israel and everything I said.

0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:01.000
<v Speaker 8>He's on the team of all the Saudi Arabians who

0:57:01.120 --> 0:57:02.080
<v Speaker 8>told um, you know.

0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:05.359
<v Speaker 1>So, I would like to, but you would just run

0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:08.400
<v Speaker 1>one ad and say he's got surrogates running in Michigan

0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:10.920
<v Speaker 1>in Minnesota and name them and run it again and

0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:13.160
<v Speaker 1>again and again and make it the Hassan Piper election.

0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:18.040
<v Speaker 1>But number two, I don't think I was a Corning guy,

0:57:18.480 --> 0:57:20.760
<v Speaker 1>and I was. I thought it was crazy that Ken

0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Paxston got in. But I've invited him on the show

0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:25.640
<v Speaker 1>fifteen times. He won't come on, can you, Madge? Because

0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I was a Corning guy? Do we have dummies running

0:57:28.600 --> 0:57:29.400
<v Speaker 1>these campaigns?

0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:31.040
<v Speaker 9>Yes?

0:57:33.720 --> 0:57:36.200
<v Speaker 8>The only way that I can express an answer to

0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:39.520
<v Speaker 8>that is to use the word yes. But the truth

0:57:39.600 --> 0:57:42.560
<v Speaker 8>is that, you know, when it comes to that campaign

0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:47.080
<v Speaker 8>in particular, you know, I think people dramatically underestimate the

0:57:47.160 --> 0:57:52.080
<v Speaker 8>possibility that someone like Tallarico could sneak in in a

0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:55.440
<v Speaker 8>cycle like this. Look, is Talarico a good candidate. No,

0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:58.120
<v Speaker 8>he's a worse candidate by the way. He's weaker than

0:57:58.640 --> 0:58:02.680
<v Speaker 8>Beta was, doesn't have as much ability to appeal, you know,

0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:05.440
<v Speaker 8>across the aisle, and he's got more liabilities in terms

0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:10.680
<v Speaker 8>of his cultural positioning. And yet the Paxton campaign, you know,

0:58:10.800 --> 0:58:13.600
<v Speaker 8>seems to be almost non existent and one of the

0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:15.400
<v Speaker 8>things that I'm going to be curious about with this

0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:18.040
<v Speaker 8>upcoming in a situation where we I don't know if

0:58:18.040 --> 0:58:20.440
<v Speaker 8>you're going to go to Dallas for this for the

0:58:21.200 --> 0:58:23.800
<v Speaker 8>you know, RNC or something like that, but I'll be

0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:26.120
<v Speaker 8>curious to see how much is that it's about boosting

0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:29.880
<v Speaker 8>Ken Paxton, because look, Greg Abbott is someone who has

0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:32.120
<v Speaker 8>won in that state, you know, very effectively for a

0:58:32.240 --> 0:58:35.720
<v Speaker 8>very long time. His people are very concerned about Ken Paxton.

0:58:35.840 --> 0:58:38.400
<v Speaker 8>And when they get concerned, they are saying it from

0:58:38.400 --> 0:58:41.200
<v Speaker 8>a position of someone who has won that state, you know,

0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:44.040
<v Speaker 8>against a lot of you know, highly backed, you know,

0:58:44.160 --> 0:58:47.720
<v Speaker 8>Democratic candidates in the past. I am concerned about Texas.

0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:51.160
<v Speaker 8>I worry about it, and I think that people are again,

0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:54.040
<v Speaker 8>you know, underestimating the possibility that in a way of election,

0:58:54.400 --> 0:58:57.160
<v Speaker 8>if this that's what this turns out to be, that

0:58:57.200 --> 0:58:58.840
<v Speaker 8>there are a lot of people who don't deserve it,

0:58:58.880 --> 0:58:59.919
<v Speaker 8>who get swept into power.

0:59:00.120 --> 0:59:03.120
<v Speaker 1>The great news that Talla Rica is genuinely awful, And

0:59:03.160 --> 0:59:05.439
<v Speaker 1>the other good news is Susan Collins is gonna win,

0:59:05.680 --> 0:59:08.640
<v Speaker 1>and I think Mike Rodgers is gonna win after Ram

0:59:08.680 --> 0:59:12.720
<v Speaker 1>Emmanuel's Rabbi all that Rabbi came out and knock down Elson.

0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:13.400
<v Speaker 1>That was great.

0:59:14.040 --> 0:59:17.040
<v Speaker 8>Mike's Mike. Mike is a good candidate. He should win.

0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:19.760
<v Speaker 8>But I'm just but it's one of these situations where

0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:23.360
<v Speaker 8>it's this is a weird cycle. Things can happen, and

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<v Speaker 1>One of the people who actually knows about seapower as

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<v Speaker 1>a professional is my friend, Captain Mark Vandroff. He joined

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<v Speaker 1>us now Captain Van Droff as a senior vice president

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<v Speaker 1>at Fink and Terry, an Italian shipbuilder who was also

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<v Speaker 1>in President Trump's first administration senior director at the National

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<v Speaker 1>Security Council, with a lot to do with shipbuilding. So earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>this actually one week ago, the President put out a

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<v Speaker 1>presidential memorandum all and I cast about who will talk

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<v Speaker 1>to me? Mark got a Captain Vandroff. Mark to me,

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<v Speaker 1>Captain Vandroff, you got permission from Fink an Terry to

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<v Speaker 1>come and talk to me about it. So Captain, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I want to tell the audience you're the

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<v Speaker 1>first person who actually took me to a shipbuilding factory

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<v Speaker 1>to show me the un sexy side of shaft drives.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right, that was I remember that that day. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>we were actually touring the facility out in California that

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<v Speaker 3>makes what's called reduction gear, so like the transmission in

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<v Speaker 3>your car for most of the surface ships in the

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<v Speaker 3>United States Navy.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was fascinated. And so I've gotten to Mark

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<v Speaker 1>for nuts and bolts. I got other experts like Captain

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry Hendricks and others like Mark Montgomery, but I go

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<v Speaker 1>to Mark. So Mark, I want to go through the

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<v Speaker 1>President's memorandum, and the first paragraph and the last paragraph

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<v Speaker 1>are introductory and orattory inclusory. Let's start and go right

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<v Speaker 1>to the heart of it. Section two Restoring steam and

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<v Speaker 1>hydraulic systems to carriers. Explain this please to steelers fans,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, really break it down, make it simple.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So aircraft carriers launch aircraft. That seems simple enough.

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<v Speaker 3>To launch a high performance jet off an aircraft carrier,

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<v Speaker 3>it has to be flung into the air. The aircraft

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<v Speaker 3>is actually attached to a fla in order to provide

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<v Speaker 3>enough acceleration so that when the jet comes off the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the aircraft carrier, its wings will provide enough

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<v Speaker 3>lift that it can continue its flight and not get

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<v Speaker 3>flung into the water. Historically, or at least since the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen fifties, this sled has been powered by steam. You

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<v Speaker 3>build up high pressure steam and a steam reservoir, or

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<v Speaker 3>release the steam, and it sends the slide forward on

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<v Speaker 3>the USS Forward, which is our newest aircraft carrier. For

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<v Speaker 3>the first time that sled is powered by magnets. That's

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<v Speaker 3>been an item of some controversy, and I'll give both sides.

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<v Speaker 3>The good thing about the magnets is you can recharge

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<v Speaker 3>a magnet faster than you can refill the steam reservoir,

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<v Speaker 3>so you can launch more aircraft because you can launch

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<v Speaker 3>another aircraft sooner. That's the good side. On the bad side,

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<v Speaker 3>it's expensive, it's somewhat tricky technology to work with. And

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<v Speaker 3>since we've gone to that and some other magnetic technology

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<v Speaker 3>for moving things around on the ford and the follow ons,

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<v Speaker 3>the ships just take longer to build. So it's a

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<v Speaker 3>balance of is it worth the cost and the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there a way to get that cost and time

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<v Speaker 3>down in order to get the performance of the additional

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<v Speaker 3>what the carrier guys call a better sortie rate, being

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<v Speaker 3>able to launch more aircraft more quickly. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>this administration has come down with the judgment that they'd

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<v Speaker 3>rather go back to older technology that would allow them

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<v Speaker 3>to build the aircraft carriers suit quicker or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>get a quicker build cycle not so hard to install

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<v Speaker 3>on the carrier. I think there's a lot of folks

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<v Speaker 3>in naval aviation who would take the opposite side. I

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<v Speaker 3>think there's been a lot of unfortunate commentary in the

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<v Speaker 3>news that makes it sound like it's somehow silly. It

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<v Speaker 3>is not a silly issue. This is a real issue

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<v Speaker 3>and it's deserving of real study because This is a

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<v Speaker 3>difficult call. I think the administration has signaled which side

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<v Speaker 3>they're coming down on.

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<v Speaker 1>So Captain Vandrov, anyone who's watching has seen me moderate

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<v Speaker 1>a GOP presidential primary debate always knows. I ask either

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<v Speaker 1>about shipbuilding or nuclear submarines or aircraft carriers, because we're

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<v Speaker 1>a sea power, and part of that is what Admiral

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<v Speaker 1>Stavritez retired likes to say quantity as a quality all

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<v Speaker 1>of its own. Does the decision make for more carriers

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<v Speaker 1>or fewer carriers in this critical period of time of

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<v Speaker 1>a narrow gap with China?

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<v Speaker 3>The intent of the decision is absolutely for more carriers.

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<v Speaker 3>If you can build a carrier faster, you can put

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<v Speaker 3>more of them out there. So I think that's the

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<v Speaker 3>desire to increase the build rate of carriers was the

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<v Speaker 3>motivating factor behind this decision.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, if the Trump administration follows through, and I expect

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<v Speaker 1>they will, and a Democrat wins and they change it back,

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of a disaster will be for the aircraft.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe it would be good to get one decision and

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<v Speaker 3>hold to it. Regardless of which way the decision is made,

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<v Speaker 3>It would be good to get one decision and hold

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<v Speaker 3>to it. Going back and forth for something as integral

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<v Speaker 3>to the construction of these aircraft carriers would be bad.

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<v Speaker 3>The Trump administration, I think very wisely did not try

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<v Speaker 3>and alter the carrier number eighty the next enterprise, because

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<v Speaker 3>it's far enough along that it would be overly impactful

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<v Speaker 3>to its schedule. They're trying to phase this in on

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<v Speaker 3>in this case, two carriers from now where they think

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<v Speaker 3>they can phase it in without creating a disruption.

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<v Speaker 1>And will Congress have the final say or is this

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<v Speaker 1>up to the president as commander in chief.

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<v Speaker 3>This would normally fall under the Secretary of the Navy's

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<v Speaker 3>Title ten Authority for Acquisition, which obviously subject to the

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<v Speaker 3>direction of the Secretary of War and the President. But

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<v Speaker 3>as you know, Congress kind of always has the final

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<v Speaker 3>say because they can put writers in appropriations. They can

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<v Speaker 3>write language into the National Defense Authorization Act inty given years,

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<v Speaker 3>so they can certainly direct and constrain the executive branch

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<v Speaker 3>through various pieces of legislation.

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<v Speaker 1>As a civilian, I have no opinion on this. I

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<v Speaker 1>just want them to make a decision and stick with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Part two. The Finland model for three kinds of ship

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<v Speaker 1>as w roros and consul, Can you explain those again

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<v Speaker 1>and stealer talk? What are those three kinds of ship?

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<v Speaker 1>And what is the Finland model?

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<v Speaker 3>So sure? So, first, of the three kinds of ships,

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<v Speaker 3>all of these are critical capabilities that the United States

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<v Speaker 3>Navy or other parts of the United States government task

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<v Speaker 3>with supporting. The Navy probably doesn't have the amount they need.

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<v Speaker 3>The first one's easy. An asw escort is a ship

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<v Speaker 3>that will escort other ships and screen and defend against submarines.

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<v Speaker 3>A console tanker if you think about ships out on station,

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<v Speaker 3>they receive fuel from oilers from replenishment ships that bring

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<v Speaker 3>them fuel for the aircraft, fuel for the jet, fuel

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<v Speaker 3>for the air wing on an aircraft carrier, diesel fuel

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<v Speaker 3>for the jet engines on a DDG. Console tankers are

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<v Speaker 3>big tankers that take a lot of fuel from a

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<v Speaker 3>shore station and distribute it to the oilers at sea

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<v Speaker 3>so the oilers can go back and forth. So they

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<v Speaker 3>are an intermediate link in the fuel chain that gets

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<v Speaker 3>fuel out to ships. Rowrows rowrow is slang for roll on,

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<v Speaker 3>roll off. Those are very large ships designed to move

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<v Speaker 3>heavy equipment, mostly the heavy equipment of the army and

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<v Speaker 3>the Marine corps from point A to point B. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's called a row row because the ship is designed

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<v Speaker 3>so you can drive a tank or a self propelled

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<v Speaker 3>our artillery piece or a self propelled radar on and

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<v Speaker 3>off the ship to drive it like you were driving

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<v Speaker 3>over land, park it on the ship, and then move

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<v Speaker 3>the ship. That three.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the Finland model for building these in two minutes?

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<v Speaker 3>Finland model is what we did with Coastguard did with icebreakers.

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<v Speaker 3>It means you have a partner nation. In the case

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<v Speaker 3>of ice breakers, Finland builds the first number of units,

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<v Speaker 3>while at the same time that partner nation is investing

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<v Speaker 3>in either building or upgrading a shipyard in the United

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<v Speaker 3>States of America and training Americans to build out the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of the class. So it gives you the best

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<v Speaker 3>of both worlds. It gives you increasing American jobs and

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<v Speaker 3>capacity because you're getting that foreign investment while you're allowing

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<v Speaker 3>the foreign partner to fill an immediate need in capability.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this is the best part of the President's memorandum.

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<v Speaker 3>I only wish that he had increased it by one

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<v Speaker 3>more class of ship. I think the United States is

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<v Speaker 3>desperately short of cable layers, and this model selecting a

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<v Speaker 3>foreign partner nation to be a partner to build an

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<v Speaker 3>initial number of cable layers while the rest are built

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<v Speaker 3>here in the United States. And I say that full

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<v Speaker 3>disclosure of Fink Canterri's subsidiary vart is the world leader

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<v Speaker 3>in cable layers. But it is a capability that the

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<v Speaker 3>United States government I think is short of and desperately needs.

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<v Speaker 1>I love full disclosure. We will be back with Captain

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Van Drafford, charge United States Navy, senior vice president

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<v Speaker 1>for Fink Anterry, former National Security senior advisor in Trump

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<v Speaker 1>one to go through public shipyards, Component Repair Center and Navski.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got them for three segments. I really thought it

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<v Speaker 1>would be a service if the audience understood the presidential memorandum,

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<v Speaker 1>which very few people pause to talk about, may be

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<v Speaker 1>the most important thing for the next thirty years for

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<v Speaker 1>America other than Golden Dome. So stay tuned, Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>in America. I'm Hugh Hewett. If it listened to my

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<v Speaker 1>program for years on the Salem Radio Network on the

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<v Speaker 1>Salem News Channel this week on c SPAN, you know

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<v Speaker 1>I cover Navy issues a lot. Used to do it

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<v Speaker 1>with Admiral Stavritis retired he's over at CNN. Now adamal

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Montgomery comes in. But I've always had two captains

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<v Speaker 1>who rely on. Captain Mark Van Droff, who has written

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<v Speaker 1>My Guest right now United States Navy retired Senior Vice

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<v Speaker 1>President thin can Terry Trump won National Security Council official.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jerry Hendrix, Captain Hendrix, who wrote this book which

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<v Speaker 1>I keep at hand to provide and maintain a navy,

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<v Speaker 1>the short book on that. But he can't be on

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<v Speaker 1>the air with me unless he's cleared because he's in

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration right now. And Jerry, I mean Mark.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about a memo in which, no doubt Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>had a hand was rough vote and the President. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to go to section four. The memo from the

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<v Speaker 1>President declared, we need a fifth public shipyard. Where are

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<v Speaker 1>public shipyards? Where are they? And why do we need

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<v Speaker 1>another one? And where's it going to be?

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<v Speaker 3>So all good questions. A public shipyard very simply as

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<v Speaker 3>a shipyard that is owned by the United States Navy,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's managed by Navy officials. All the workers, the welders,

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<v Speaker 3>the electricians, the crane operators are all government employees. The

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<v Speaker 3>Navy historically had many public shipyards. In the nineties we

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<v Speaker 3>had eight and the BRAC process took eight down to four.

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<v Speaker 3>The four remaining public shipyards are in Norfolk, Virginia, in Portsmouth,

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<v Speaker 3>New Hampshire slash Kittery, Maine, depending upon which state official

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<v Speaker 3>you ask, because it's on the border of New Hampshire

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<v Speaker 3>and Maine and they argue about it, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii,

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<v Speaker 3>and then up in Puget Sound in the Pacific Northwest.

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<v Speaker 3>The Navy, for a variety of reasons, prefers to do

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<v Speaker 3>serious maintenance on nuclear ships. So the nuclear submarines, the

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<v Speaker 3>nuclear aircraft carriers get their maintenance done by the Navy itself,

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<v Speaker 3>under by government employees. There's a lot of good reasons

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<v Speaker 3>for that when we went from eight to four. Now

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<v Speaker 3>that we're looking to expand our number of submarines, especially,

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<v Speaker 3>we just don't have enough maintenance facilities within the public

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<v Speaker 3>shipyards to do uh to do the maintenance we need

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<v Speaker 3>to do on the submarine side fleet that we that

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<v Speaker 3>we need to have. So the President, I think, in

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<v Speaker 3>this one very correctly recognizes we need a fifth yard.

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<v Speaker 3>The ideal candidates would be the two closed yards on

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<v Speaker 3>the West coast, Long Beach and h and Alameda, but

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<v Speaker 3>both of those, since their closure in the nineties, have

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<v Speaker 3>been developed by the local economy and would be hard

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<v Speaker 3>to recover. Most experts would tell you they're also in California.

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<v Speaker 1>California. Most experts would regulatory problems that are immense.

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<v Speaker 3>Indeed, but most most I think most analysts would say

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<v Speaker 3>that the yard needs to be in the Pacific because

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<v Speaker 3>it provides the additional benefit of providing a repair capacity

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<v Speaker 3>in theater or close to theater if you were in

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<v Speaker 3>a conflict within the Indo Pacific. I certainly think that

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<v Speaker 3>there's gonna be lots of different real estate around the

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<v Speaker 3>country interested in that fifth shipyard.

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<v Speaker 9>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think anywhere where there's coastline, there's gonna be people

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<v Speaker 3>interested in it. But I think from a tactical strategic standpoint,

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<v Speaker 3>closer to the fight would be better.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark I question if Congress passed a Notwithstanding any other

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<v Speaker 1>law or regulation act, it is an emergency situation, and

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<v Speaker 1>we need a fifth shipyard and the and we are

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<v Speaker 1>appropriating a trillion dollars or whatever it is to buy

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<v Speaker 1>and build a public navy shipyard. At a point of

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<v Speaker 1>the sect navs choosing and to commence immediately. How long

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<v Speaker 1>until that could be up and running.

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<v Speaker 3>It depends on if you're going from a place where

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<v Speaker 3>there's absolutely no no capability now if it was just

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<v Speaker 3>a blank sheet of paper versus if you were recommissioning

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<v Speaker 3>someplace that used to be a shipyard. So like you

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<v Speaker 3>could probably go quicker in Alameda, if you know, depending

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<v Speaker 3>on what condition they're dry docks or and if you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to improve those docks, as an example, you could

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<v Speaker 3>be up and running. You know, maybe in a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of years. Uh, if you were building from scratch, a

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<v Speaker 3>graving dock big enough to take a Virginia class submarine

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<v Speaker 3>is probably you know, three years worth of construction. As

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<v Speaker 3>an example, we put in a new ship lift at

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<v Speaker 3>the think Cantieri's yard in Marinette, Wisconsin after it was

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<v Speaker 3>bought in order to bring it up to be a

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<v Speaker 3>to produce modern surface combatants. And between the permitting, which

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<v Speaker 3>I know you know a lot about, and and the

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<v Speaker 3>dredging and then the building of that, it was a

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<v Speaker 3>two and a half year job to put in a

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<v Speaker 3>modern shiplift. I expect if they were going to do

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<v Speaker 3>a graving dock or a shiplift somewhere in the West Coast.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be a similar build cycle, and you'd have

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<v Speaker 3>to do more than one. You'd be working on multiple

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<v Speaker 3>ones at the time, So it's a two to three

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<v Speaker 3>year effort to get the facility up and running out

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<v Speaker 3>of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I should amend an extend my remarks if Congress passed

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<v Speaker 1>a notwithstanding any law ignoring the Coastal Commission, overriding all

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<v Speaker 1>federal and state and local regulations, and condemning whatever local

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<v Speaker 1>use is at Alameda, that's where I go. It can

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<v Speaker 1>be protected by MIRAMA. I mean, it just makes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of sense. That's where I go. But that would

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<v Speaker 1>require a sweeping statue to clear away the debris. What

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<v Speaker 1>is a component repair center and why do we need one?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I'm going to use the last segment on navsea reform.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's a component repair segment?

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<v Speaker 3>What it is is it's a central repository where you

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<v Speaker 3>would either or repair parts or build specialty repair parts

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<v Speaker 3>for a particular class of ships. In this case, it

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<v Speaker 3>refers to our submarines, and I think specifically, even though

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<v Speaker 3>it mentions the Los Angeles Class and the Virginia Class

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<v Speaker 3>and the Ohio Class, I think this is really targeted

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<v Speaker 3>at our aging Los Angeles Class fleet. The administration correctly

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<v Speaker 3>wants to keep the Los Angeles class ships in service

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<v Speaker 3>for absolutely as long as possible. Some of them are

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<v Speaker 3>old enough that they have a lot of components that

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<v Speaker 3>just aren't available anymore in the open market. So this

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<v Speaker 3>is a centralized storehouse and fabrication using things like three

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<v Speaker 3>D printing and other advanced manufacturing to keep enough repair

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<v Speaker 3>parts and a central location made stocked sent out so

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<v Speaker 3>they can keep some of our older submarines in service

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<v Speaker 3>for absolutely as long as possible in order to keep

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<v Speaker 3>our submarine count up.

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<v Speaker 1>Would it take, where would it be and how long

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<v Speaker 1>would it take?

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<v Speaker 3>I think this uh, this could be ideally in any

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<v Speaker 3>centralized place that had good road rail access, So you

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<v Speaker 3>could put it nearly anywhere in the country. Again, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure there are lots of different regions that would like

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<v Speaker 3>to have this around, you know, and you could put

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<v Speaker 3>it in a lot of different places, uh if you

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<v Speaker 3>if the people didn't care about watching bad football, they

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<v Speaker 3>could put it in Ohio, the uh and and the

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<v Speaker 3>uh uh but the uh you know, So where it

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<v Speaker 3>goes as long as it's uh connected to a good

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<v Speaker 3>logistics train, I could go anywhere, and I think this

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<v Speaker 3>could be up in the in a matter of of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, certainly less than two years. You know, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>I think this Pentagon could get it done in a

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<v Speaker 3>year because they tend to move fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, if the Congress passed and notwithstanding any law, how

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<v Speaker 1>many jobs are we talking about with a facility like this,

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<v Speaker 1>Captain van Drive.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I have not dug in enough be on the

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<v Speaker 3>executive order to put a number on that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>if you like, if you said how many your jobs

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<v Speaker 3>is that is that fifth shipyard? I'd say that fifth

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<v Speaker 3>shipyard is probably like three thousand to four thousand workers.

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<v Speaker 3>Based on the size of our other public yards the

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<v Speaker 3>Competitive Repair Center, I'd have to study more to give

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<v Speaker 3>you an actual job count.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm coming back one more segment with Captain

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<v Speaker 1>Mark van Draft for charge United States Navy Senior Vice

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<v Speaker 1>President Fink Kent Terry, former Trump won National Security Council official,

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about what NAVSEA is, what reforms a proposing

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<v Speaker 1>the President's memorandum, why we need him, and whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not Secretary Cow or Acting Secretary of Cow he ought

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<v Speaker 1>to be Secretary Cow can get it done. Stay with us,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back. I'm Hugh Hewett continue to talk with Captain

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Van draft Rechigie, United States Navy. He's a senior

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<v Speaker 1>Vice President fin can Terry, former President Trump official in

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<v Speaker 1>the NSC National Security Council in the first administration, and

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<v Speaker 1>we come to nabsee Mark for the audience. The depth

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<v Speaker 1>second Defense, Steve Finberg is doing a fabulous job that

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<v Speaker 1>nobody knows about trying to reform defense acquisition. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think Acting Secretary Anko is doing a great job with

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<v Speaker 1>the Navy. I hope he gets a vote and it

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<v Speaker 1>gets nominated by Permanent Secretary. But you get five minutes

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<v Speaker 1>to try and explain what NAVC specifically is and what

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<v Speaker 1>the presence memorandum proposals be done to reform it.

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<v Speaker 3>So thanks you.

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<v Speaker 9>So.

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<v Speaker 3>NAVC is an acronym that stands for the Naval Sea

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<v Speaker 3>Systems Command. All the services have activities, each organized a

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<v Speaker 3>little differently, but within the Navy, a Systems Command, because

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<v Speaker 3>there's also the Naval Air Systems Command and a few others,

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<v Speaker 3>is a large organization which is charged with a cradle

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<v Speaker 3>to grave from the research and development to develop a capability,

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<v Speaker 3>through acquiring the capability, through taking care of the capability

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<v Speaker 3>through its life cycle and then disposing it. So the

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<v Speaker 3>Naval CEA Systems com and does that for ships and submarines.

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<v Speaker 3>The depsec War and the under Secretary for War for

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<v Speaker 3>Acquisition early on in the Trump two administration really has

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<v Speaker 3>already done some sweeping reforms, not just for the Navy,

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<v Speaker 3>but how all the Department of War Acquisition operates. It

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<v Speaker 3>sounded less impactful than it really is, but they've changed

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<v Speaker 3>the authorities around to really proved. I selected individuals with

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of authority across both contracting, technical and budgeting

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<v Speaker 3>and programmatic to try to drive more accountability and drive

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<v Speaker 3>out bureaucratic friction in order to accelerate programs. I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's having and will have a very significant positive effect.

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<v Speaker 3>I think NAPSI has already gone through that level of reorganization,

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<v Speaker 3>as the rest of the Department of War has. But

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<v Speaker 3>this presidential memorandum directs a study to see what else

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<v Speaker 3>Navsey needs to do to get into the twenty first century.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I spent most of my career in the

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<v Speaker 3>Navy either at NAVSCY headquarters or in various Navsea field commands.

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<v Speaker 3>I ended my career in command of one of their

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<v Speaker 3>largest Field Commands. The Naval Surface Warfare Center, card Rock

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<v Speaker 3>is where I finished my naval career. But in a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of ways, they really still have a nineteen eighties

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<v Speaker 3>set up, organization, and mentality, and they need to be

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<v Speaker 3>brought into the twenty first century. They have processes that

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<v Speaker 3>work very well for the nineteen eighties, and in order

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<v Speaker 3>to meet the challenges today, it probably does take a

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<v Speaker 3>fresh approach. And this memorandum tells Secretary Cow to go

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<v Speaker 3>and study what that fresh approach will look like and

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<v Speaker 3>report back to the President. And I have every confidence

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<v Speaker 3>I know Secretary Cow, at least a little bit fellow

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<v Speaker 3>Naval Academy graduate, I sure he will get this one right.

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<v Speaker 1>So two questions that close with if Congress gets involved

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<v Speaker 1>and says in the next NBAA or a reconciliation bill,

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<v Speaker 1>do this reorganized in six months? Would that help? And

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<v Speaker 1>the second question would be can you actually get it

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<v Speaker 1>done in the Trump years, because it's actually a bigger question.

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<v Speaker 1>Have we fallen too far behind China to catch up?

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<v Speaker 3>I try and be an optimist. I believe, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>America's pulled off things, amazing things in the past, so

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think we've fallen too far behind China to

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<v Speaker 3>catch up. I like the fact that this memorandum uses

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<v Speaker 3>allies and partners in the Finland model. Certainly, my company,

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<v Speaker 3>think Cantri and you know, as a company that's based

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<v Speaker 3>in Italy, one of those allies and partners. It wants

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<v Speaker 3>to be part of the solution to providing the sea

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<v Speaker 3>power that the United States needs. So I think we've

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<v Speaker 3>got that going for us. Certainly, Congressional support is critical

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<v Speaker 3>for any major reform effort. It's a co equal branch

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<v Speaker 3>of government and ultimately they hold the power of the purse.

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<v Speaker 3>So the President's going to need to have Congress on

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<v Speaker 3>board in order to make this happen. Can it be

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<v Speaker 3>done within the remaining years of the Trump administration, You

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<v Speaker 3>can get a long way there. Certainly, whoever follows of

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<v Speaker 3>whatever political party, is going to need to be committed

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<v Speaker 3>to this because it took us from President Reagan deregulating

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<v Speaker 3>the civilian shipbuilding industry in the early eighties till now

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<v Speaker 3>that thirty five forty years. It took us thirty five

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<v Speaker 3>or forty years to dig ourselves into this hole. You're

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<v Speaker 3>not going to dig out in two years. But as

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<v Speaker 3>you're fun to say, the first rule of holes is

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<v Speaker 3>stop digging digging. This memorandum is a direction to stop

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<v Speaker 3>digging and start filling in the hole as fast as

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<v Speaker 3>you can so.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark van Drive, Captain Van Druft, I greatly appreciate a

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<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh Stealers guys fan and a Florida Gators fan guide

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<v Speaker 1>to understanding. I got you back see to understanding what

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<v Speaker 1>this memorandum means, and I hope it will get other

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<v Speaker 1>people to read it and study it and talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Captain Mark Vandroff.