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Speaker 2: to the Dwell on These Things podcast. I'm John Stogey

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Speaker 2: and it's great to have you with us today as always,

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Speaker 2: and today I'm joined by someone many of us recognize

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Speaker 2: from her years on Saturday Night Live, where she made

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Speaker 2: audiences laugh with her unique and memorable style. But as

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Speaker 2: you'll quickly see, our conversation today is going to go

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Speaker 2: much deeper than comedy. Victoria Jackson recently released a book

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Speaker 2: that's titled Not Dead Yet, and it's written in the

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Speaker 2: midst of facing a terminal cancer diagnosis.

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Speaker 3: In it, she shares.

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Speaker 2: Very honestly about her faith, about fear, about humor, about

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Speaker 2: what it looks like to keep living with purpose even

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Speaker 2: when life feels uncertain. And as I mentioned to her

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Speaker 2: just before we even got underway here, I am so

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Speaker 2: grateful for the chance to be able to talk with

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Speaker 2: her today about her story, about her faith, and about.

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Speaker 3: The legacy that she chooses to leave.

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Speaker 2: Victoria, Welcome to the Dwell on These Things Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, John. How do you pronounce your last name?

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Speaker 3: Stongy? It's a tricky last.

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Speaker 1: Name is Is it German or it is?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: It means like a rod, or a staff or a pole,

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Speaker 2: something like that, stongy yeah, And it makes me wonder

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Speaker 2: what my ancestors did that that's the name that they chose.

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Speaker 3: Were they shepherds?

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Speaker 1: Ah, that's cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I have to admit it right away. And

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm totally fine with.

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Speaker 3: You knowing this.

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Speaker 2: I was one of those people who watched every single

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Speaker 2: episode of Saturday Night Live from the era when you

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Speaker 2: were a cast member. I think that that's the best

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Speaker 2: era of the show. I don't mind sharing my biases.

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Speaker 2: You were on the show when I was in high school,

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Speaker 2: and I'll tell you what would happen. You know, I

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Speaker 2: My friends and I would always chat through every single

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Speaker 2: segment from that show. And so I know that they're

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Speaker 2: very pleased that you and I get the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: it's a huge honor to be able to have you

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Speaker 2: on the show. Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, John. I've heard that every generation thinks they're

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Speaker 1: years of SNL were the best, but I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I think our cast was the best. And also it

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Speaker 1: wasn't as politically brainwashing liberalism and anti God things down

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Speaker 1: people's throats. When I was there. It was more about

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Speaker 2: Globalist I agree, it's definitely taken a more political tone

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Speaker 1: Comics are afraid to say anything, you know, and so

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Speaker 1: I think it's starting to swing back. We are fighting

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Speaker 1: was like, oh no, this isn't America anymore. Where's my

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Speaker 1: on social media. So we're fight, you know, we got

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Speaker 2: I am so grateful that freedom of speech is something

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Speaker 2: And you know, as I think back to the years

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Speaker 2: going to talk about a variety of consequential things today,

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Speaker 1: And that's a handstand on a fire hydrant at Hollywood

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Speaker 1: And he's like, that sounds like an actress, and he goes,

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Speaker 1: old William Morris agent now represents the three late night

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Speaker 1: night shows. And I was on Johnny Carson twenty times

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Speaker 1: back when no one knew I was a Christian in

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Speaker 1: the eighties. And I don't know, Maybe maybe they'll book me,

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Speaker 1: but I don't hear the phone.

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Speaker 2: Ringing and I we'll book you here. We want you

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Speaker 2: on dwell on these things. We're not Carson, but well.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like it's so obvious how the world. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in the Kingdom of the Lord, there's a spiritual bodily

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Speaker 1: fees and six.

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Speaker 2: Twelve absolutely, oh my goodness. And it's just interesting too.

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Speaker 2: And maybe you've noticed this sum I've noticed more spiritual conversations,

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Speaker 2: specifically conversations about Christ, specifically conversations about the Gospel showing

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Speaker 2: up in public places that surprise me. I'm seeing it

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Speaker 2: in different news stories, I'm seeing it in different publications

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Speaker 2: and things like that. Are you noticing that? And do

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Speaker 2: you take some encouragement from it?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I think we're in a revival. Russell Brand, Russell

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Speaker 1: Brand is on the internet phrase oh my goodness. He

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Speaker 1: has like this gift uh of talking and he seems

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Speaker 1: genuinely born again. And then Joe Rogan is going to church.

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Speaker 1: Now Joe Rogan has Number one podcast and he is

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Speaker 1: talking about how nice the people are at his church.

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Speaker 1: And then Jordan Peterson is seeking the Lord. And Perez Hilton,

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Speaker 1: who is a very was a very mean person who

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Speaker 1: he he was very mean about me. Uh, he was

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Speaker 1: making fun of me. You know, he does gossip and

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Speaker 1: makes fun of people. He had an experience with the

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Speaker 1: Lord in the hospital because he was dying. There just

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Speaker 1: seems to be a revival. Oh and there's Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 1: right there, and and that and that's picture of Jesus.

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Speaker 1: The artist is Sam Ryan who did both of them.

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Speaker 1: But we don't know what Jesus looks like exactly, except

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Speaker 1: the shroud of Turin is very exciting and could be real.

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Speaker 1: But but I I'm so proud of Charlie Kirk. Or

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Speaker 1: the last thing he said before he was shot was

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Speaker 1: the Gospel. He said the Gospel. Then he answered a

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Speaker 1: question that he was shot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's And there been people that surprised me

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Speaker 2: that are just referencing openly and humbly, as we were

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Speaker 2: talking about a moment ago, their need for a savior,

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Speaker 2: their need for Jesus Christ. I saw something recently, was

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Speaker 2: you brought up Joe Rogan. I saw a conversation he

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Speaker 2: had with Aaron Rodgers where they were talking about how

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Speaker 2: nice it would be if Jesus actually returned. Now they

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Speaker 2: didn't seem to be expressing genuine faith as they were

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Speaker 2: saying that, but just the concept of a loving, benevolent,

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Speaker 2: savior leader, someone who would steer things in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: I've seen conversations with Jelly Rule, I've seen conversations with

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Speaker 2: Logan Paul, different people that you wouldn't automatically expect to

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Speaker 2: be talking about these things, and whether or not they've

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Speaker 2: genuinely come to faith in Jesus Christ as of yet,

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Speaker 2: you can tell that they're thinking about it so much

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Speaker 2: so that now they're openly speaking of it. And so

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Speaker 2: I absolutely pray for the salvation of these people that

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Speaker 2: have these platforms of influence that are definitely impacting the

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Speaker 2: lives of young people, the lives of people really of

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Speaker 2: any age.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I pray for Trump because we're not sure

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Speaker 1: if he understands the Gospel exactly yet, but he's sure

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Speaker 1: supporting freedom for Christians to worship. And so we pray

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Speaker 1: for our leaders.

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Speaker 2: You know, without a doubt, without a doubt, one of

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Speaker 2: the things that I'm noticing that you're being very intentional

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Speaker 2: about and even in our conversation here in today's the

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Speaker 2: first time we've ever had the privilege of meeting, and

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Speaker 2: so I'm even as we're talking, I'm learning more about

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Speaker 2: your passion and learning more about your mission. But one

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Speaker 2: of the things that you seem very intent on doing,

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Speaker 2: and you mentioned it just a moment ago, is using

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Speaker 2: this season for all that it's worth, in the sense

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Speaker 2: of saying, all right, this is a season that the

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Speaker 2: Lord's given me. He doesn't do anything by accident. This

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Speaker 2: is just the nature of what this season looks like.

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Speaker 2: And so some people when they receive like a diagnosis

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Speaker 2: like you've received, would I think, would retreat and possibly

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Speaker 2: feel a heavy amount of sorrow or self pity or

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Speaker 2: whatever phrase we would want to use. And I can

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Speaker 2: certainly understand how people, at least for a season, could

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Speaker 2: feel that way. But it seems like, as you've assessed

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Speaker 2: this from the perspective of eternity, that you're trying to

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Speaker 2: turn this season into something that has a sense of mission,

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Speaker 2: a sense of purpose, like that poem that you just read,

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Speaker 2: a way in which to be a blessing to other people.

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Speaker 2: What do you think the difference between retreating from something

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Speaker 2: challenging and using a challenge to be a blessing to

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Speaker 2: other people? How does that sound as you try and

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Speaker 2: formulate that in your mind.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've thought about it. I think about it all

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Speaker 1: the time. I think sometimes when I'm starting to be sad,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, VICKI, why are you so positive? You're in

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Speaker 1: pain and it's probably gonna get worse, and you know

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Speaker 1: you're going to miss the party, you're gonna miss your

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Speaker 1: grandchild growing up, and your husband's going to get to

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Speaker 1: Zeer turn file. Why are you happy? And I think

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Speaker 1: about it and I think, well, you know Nor McDonald,

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Speaker 1: he got diagnosed with cancer and didn't tell anyone. I

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Speaker 1: worked with him, and I was when and so when

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Speaker 1: he died, I was everyone was shocked. And then I

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Speaker 1: started watching all videos of his you know, before his death,

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Speaker 1: and he started talking about Jesus and it sounded like

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Speaker 1: he was like starting to believe in Jesus. And a

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Speaker 1: friend of mine who went to bel Air Presbyterian, Uh,

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Speaker 1: she said that Norm MacDonald near the end was watching

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Speaker 1: their their TV, their their worship service on TV and

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Speaker 1: called their pastor and prayed with him the Sinner's prayer.

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Speaker 1: And that makes me so happy. But too, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I do have a choice. I could be sad. I

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Speaker 1: was thinking I could just drink and smoke all day.

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Speaker 1: I could just drink alcohol all day, or get as

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Speaker 1: many pills as the doctor would give me and smoke

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Speaker 1: and you know, eat all day and just be like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm dying anyway, do whatever feels good. Of course that

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Speaker 1: doesn't feel good because then you have a hangover and everything.

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Speaker 1: But I think when I first got diagnosed in twenty

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Speaker 1: fifteen with breast cancer, I thought, oh, well, this is

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Speaker 1: a new adventure, and this will make my testimony so

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Speaker 1: much more interesting, because because what's a testimony if you say,

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Speaker 1: my parents are Christians, I grew up in church, I

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Speaker 1: got blessed by God. I have a great family, you know,

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Speaker 1: But people really listen to your testimony when you have

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Speaker 1: pain and sickness and sorrow. That's the first people I

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Speaker 1: listen to if I have an hour. Well I'm addicted

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Speaker 1: to YouTube, I must admit, But when I have time

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Speaker 1: to hear someone talk, I go to the people who

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Speaker 1: are like Christina Applegate. She's a beautiful blonde actress who's

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Speaker 1: struggling with MS and she just wrote an autobiography and

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Speaker 1: I listened to it on audiobook, and she has pain,

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Speaker 1: and she's been most of the time, and she has

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Speaker 1: a child who isn't all the way grown yet, and

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Speaker 1: I want to tell her the gospel is so bad.

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Speaker 1: I prayed the Lord that someone would tell her the

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Speaker 1: gospel I heard. She was just hospitalized and I'd love

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Speaker 1: to be on her podcast. But yeah, like, yeah, thank

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Speaker 1: the Lord. I have a purpose. I don't have to

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Speaker 1: just lay in bed all day because, yeah, I'm grateful

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Speaker 1: I have a purpose. I would be sad if I didn't.

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Speaker 1: People need a purpose.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, a sense of you know, Lord, you have

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Speaker 2: put me here at this time for this purpose. It's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I also teach over at Karen University, and one of

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Speaker 2: the classes that I get to teach is it's a

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Speaker 2: theology class called Biblical Perspectives on Contemporary Issues, and so

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Speaker 2: we look at a variety of things and we try

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Speaker 2: and connect them to major themes in scripture. And one

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Speaker 2: of the main chapters we look at in that book

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Speaker 2: or in that class is from Acts seventeen, and in

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Speaker 2: Act seventeen you have Paul speaking at the Areopagus and

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Speaker 2: he's speaking to these philosophers and learned people and all

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Speaker 2: of that, and one of the things that he references

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Speaker 2: there is that and I'm summarizing his words, but he says, basically,

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Speaker 2: in God's plan we live exactly when we live, and

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Speaker 2: we live exactly where we live for His purpose ultimately

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Speaker 2: that we would come to know him, ultimately, that we

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Speaker 2: would get to know him. And I look at that

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Speaker 2: and I think God is so intentional about where we

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Speaker 2: live and when we live that it kind of fires

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Speaker 2: me up as far as what day to day life

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Speaker 2: should look like. If the Lord gave you this day,

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Speaker 2: what does that day look like? Because it's God's divine

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Speaker 2: intention that you have this day and that you use

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Speaker 2: it to glorify Him. And Paul was trying to explain

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Speaker 2: that in Act seventeen, and that's one of those verses,

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Speaker 2: one of those sections that I come back to over

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Speaker 2: and over again. It's in verse twenty six, and he

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Speaker 2: just talks about this idea that God intending that. And

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Speaker 2: so it sounds like that's a way in which if

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Speaker 2: I could characterize some of the things that you're saying

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Speaker 2: about your day to day life and how you even

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Speaker 2: look at this season, it seems like that mindset that

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Speaker 2: Paul was trying to explain is something that you've really

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Speaker 2: latched onto.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's God teaches us to live in the moment,

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Speaker 1: like every moment is meaningful. Every word we say is meaningful,

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Speaker 1: and what he's teaching me is it's not about me.

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Speaker 1: Like Rick Warren's book The Purpose Driven Life, the first

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Speaker 1: sentence is it's not about me, or it's not about you.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not about me, And like our whole lives.

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Speaker 1: It's like, look at me. I can do a handstand,

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Speaker 1: I can be funny, look at me. And I'm so

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Speaker 1: used to that worldly focus and now that i can't

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Speaker 1: really physically stand on the stage and and say look

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Speaker 1: at me and talk for an hour and make people

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Speaker 1: laugh or whatever. I'm so realizing, Vicky, it was never

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Speaker 1: about you. Our purpose is to glorify God. It's like

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Speaker 1: I'm learning all these things like humility and it's but

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Speaker 1: of course he uses those things to glorify him. We

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Speaker 1: can't glorify him if we just sit in the house

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Speaker 1: and stare at the wall. So we use our you

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Speaker 1: know whatever he's goib us, like he gave me a

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Speaker 1: dad of toddy Anstans, and like I love that you're

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Speaker 1: teaching your college class to engage with the culture, because

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Speaker 1: that's so important. And a lot of Christians they hide

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Speaker 1: from culture. But we're supposed to be in the world

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Speaker 1: and not other world. And show them the light in

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Speaker 1: the darkness. And I always taught my children when we

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Speaker 1: would watch movies or something like, what's the hidden agenda

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Speaker 1: in that? O? Hey, you're watching Friends, what's the message?

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Speaker 1: Because Anne LaMotte said art is preaching, And it's like

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Speaker 1: there's a message in every piece of art, whether it's

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Speaker 1: a poem, a song, a TV show, a painting, anything,

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Speaker 1: they're trying to give you a message. And my kids

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Speaker 1: are really good at seeing the propaganda in every movie

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Speaker 1: and what the person is trying to say, and it's

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Speaker 1: usually against God. So we have to be you know,

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Speaker 1: why is a serpent's general as stuffs? But anyway, I

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Speaker 1: love that you're teaching that class and that you do

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Speaker 1: engage the culture. And that's what God's teaching me is

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Speaker 1: you know, in acting, they teach you to live in

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Speaker 1: the moment, because you're a better actor if you're in

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Speaker 1: the moment listening to the other actor, not thinking about

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Speaker 1: what your line is next, or how do I look.

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Speaker 1: You know, you have to be in the moment, listening,

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Speaker 1: in engaging, and the Bible teaches us that. And oh

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Speaker 1: and the verse, my verse now that's in my head

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Speaker 1: all the time is though he slay me yet will

651
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: I trust him? It's from job, and I just keep thinking,

652
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: like every time I'm in pain or getting another stupid

653
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: X ray. And then the other funny thing to me

654
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: is all these experts and doctors. I have so many doctors,

655
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Speaker 1: and they're all like in their thirties and forties, and

656
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: they're they have homes and families, but they're there all

657
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: day trying to help us old people live three days longer.

658
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: And it's like, Okay, there's there's spots on your vertebrae,

659
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: there's cancer on your pelvis, and we radiated the spot

660
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: on your windpipe and there's a you know, we cut

661
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: off your you know, brusts and okay, we're going to

662
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: cut it out, burn it out, zap it out, whatever.

663
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: And they're they're trying so hard, and there's like hundreds

664
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Speaker 1: of them, and it's like, so you can live three

665
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: more days. And it reminds me of which is so

666
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: cute and funny, but it reminds me of Hezekaya. And

667
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: that's why I named my dog that, because I got

668
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: diagnosed twenty fifteen. That's when I got my last dog,

669
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: and and God said, has Kaya, you're gonna die soon.

670
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: Get your things in order, and he said, but but

671
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: but I've been a good I've followed you been good.

672
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: And he started crying and he turned his head to

673
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: the law. God said, Okay, fifteen more years. But when

674
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: I was reading that story, I'm thinking, what's fifteen years?

675
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: It goes like that. So people who are like people

676
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: will get diagnosed with cancer and are like, oh, do me.

677
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 4: But I'm thinking, what I'm sixty six, like, okay, so

678
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 4: if I die at seventy three, that's like, am I

679
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 4: gonna cure cancer between now and seventy three?

680
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: Is maybe I can lead one more person to the Lord,

681
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: which is why I should not take the euthanasia pill. Yeah,

682
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: because I and I just watched a movie about it

683
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: on Netflix. Because if you live in the Lord's will,

684
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: maybe you can lead one more person to the Lord

685
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Speaker 1: if you live one more day.

686
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Speaker 3: I love that it's.

687
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Speaker 1: All up to the Lord.

688
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 3: It is.

689
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Speaker 2: But I also love the fact that you use your

690
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: time so you create media. You're somebody in media, and

691
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 2: one of the cool things about the fact that you're

692
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: doing that is you're using the media that you're creating.

693
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: It leaves it leaves a legacy when your last day

694
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: on this Earth comes about your testimony doesn't disappear. It's

695
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: something that people are going to hear. It's something that

696
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: people are going to revisit. They may even revisit it

697
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: extra at that point.

698
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: Hopefully, hopefully the day I die, everyone will buy the

699
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: book and go, oh, she believed in Jesus. And you know,

700
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: people used it sounds so stupid, like a fairy tale

701
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: to believe in a supernatural being heroes himself from the

702
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: dead and all that. But I think, well, what do

703
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: you believe in? You guys believe in spirit guides and

704
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: a crystals and speaking of dead people. I mean, the

705
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: their belief system is so much stupid or and outlandish

706
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: and supernatural. And we have a hole in our heart

707
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: that's desperately seeking God and they're finding it in the

708
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: wrong places. So our belief in the Bible is not stupid.

709
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: It's the smartest thing. I asked my dad when I

710
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: was little. I was like, Dad, how do you know

711
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: this is the truth? And he was like, because he

712
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 1: became a Christian at like age thirty five, he wasn't

713
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,959
Speaker 1: brainwashed from age zero like me, and he was thirty five. Minute,

714
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: I go, why how do you Because my dad had

715
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: the Quran, he had Kingdom of the Cults, the book

716
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Speaker 1: Kingdom of the Cult.

717
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Speaker 2: I remember that book. Yeah, Miller, is that the author

718
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Speaker 2: of that?

719
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Speaker 1: Don't know? He had a line said, I don't retain anything,

720
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: and I read slowly. But he he studied every religion.

721
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: I go, why do you think the Bible is the truth?

722
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: And he goes, it makes the most sense.

723
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 3: I love that. Yeah, it makes the most sense.

724
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Speaker 2: By the way, I have to ask you about the

725
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Speaker 2: title of your book, Not Dead Yet. I like the

726
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: title for a couple of reasons, because there's a part

727
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: of it that feels a bit defiant, and then there's

728
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: part of it that feels a bit hopeful, and so

729
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: spiritually speaking, what does that mean to you? Like you

730
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: chose that title not Dead Yet? Where are you going

731
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: with that?

732
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Speaker 4: Oh?

733
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Speaker 1: Thanks for asking well. I was sitting at home on YouTube,

734
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Speaker 1: flicking around and I saw a T shirt that said

735
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: it on it, and I thought it was funny, and

736
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: I go, I'm going to get that T shirt or

737
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: five of them, because every time I'm with friends and family,

738
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: the elephant in the room is how is Mommy's health?

739
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: Are you in pain? When are you dying? Is your

740
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: chemo pill working. You know, are you sad your hair

741
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: is falling out? Do you have side effects? I's your

742
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: fatigue today? And I and so I just thought, not

743
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: dead yet? Uh, actually today I have on my Luke

744
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: one thirty seven shirt, which is fully God nothing shall

745
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 1: be impossible. That's my favorite verse. But anyway, I thought

746
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: it was a funny T shirt. And so then I

747
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: was thinking about my writing a book and putting together

748
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: a book whatever, and I thought that's a good title

749
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: for the book, because that's what's on my mind all

750
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Speaker 1: the time. Right now I wake up, I'm like, well,

751
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm not dead yet. You know, what does God want

752
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: me to do today? And then I started thinking, I

753
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 1: think people mostly associate it with, uh, a guy lusting

754
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: after a girl and the wife going Paul and the

755
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: and the man going, hey, I'm not dead yet. I

756
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: think the world associates the phrase with that. And I thought, yeah,

757
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: but there's other meanings. Because I'm never gonna die. According

758
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: to John three point sixteen, I'm never gonna be dead.

759
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: And so I wrote this little poem, not dead yet,

760
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: never will be because Jesus died and rose for me.

761
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I could finish my poetry book

762
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 1: with that last poem, and then I wrote a song

763
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: called not Dead Yet We took them, and I put

764
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Speaker 1: that in the end of the book. So I think

765
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of meanings for it, but the best

766
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: meaning is Jesus defeated death, and so we're never going

767
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: to die our soul, Yeah, get a new body, so

768
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Speaker 1: we have hope.

769
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Speaker 2: I love that, I love the title not Dead Yet,

770
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 2: and I love your perspective toward that too.

771
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Speaker 3: I'll confess something to you.

772
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: I don't tend to bring up COVID era things too often.

773
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: You mentioned that earlier, just an era of time that

774
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: most of the time I just prefer not to think about.

775
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: But I have to tell you one of the most

776
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: disappointing things that I'll just admit this. I remember just

777
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: feeling profoundly disappointed with some Christians that, in the midst

778
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 2: of that felt like they were just so fearful of

779
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: death that it seemed to be the prevailing thought like this,

780
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: just constant fear of death. And I remember thinking to myself,

781
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: is that the testimony that we want to lead to

782
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 2: this world that we are just so fearful of death?

783
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 2: And I took a little criticism for it. Our church

784
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: was one of those churches that didn't spend a whole

785
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: lot of time time.

786
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Speaker 3: Separated from people.

787
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Speaker 2: We had worship services and other options and things like that,

788
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: and I was like, I looked at it and I thought,

789
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: you know, we have a responsibility before the Lord to

790
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: do certain things.

791
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 3: And I know one of the things.

792
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: That He's given me to do is the opportunity to

793
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: shepherd other people. And it's kind of the mindset that

794
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 2: you convey here with your book. Not dead yet. Yeah,

795
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be here one day extra and

796
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to be I'm not going to leave here

797
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 2: one day sooner. And I don't think that I need

798
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: to fear a virus. I don't think I need to

799
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: fear a disease. I love the defiant way in which

800
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: you portray this. In a sense, it's not just defining,

801
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: it's defiant and hopeful. It's defiant to the world's mindset

802
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: toward you know, our days on this earth being all

803
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: we have. This isn't all we have. Our eternal life

804
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 2: isn't just even something future you reference. John three sixteen says,

805
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: in Christ, we have eternal life. Your eternal life has

806
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: already begun. You transition from one reality to the next,

807
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: but your eternal life has already begun. And so when

808
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: you look at something like this, even just the title

809
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 2: of your book is preaching a sermon not dead yet.

810
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 3: I love that.

811
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Speaker 1: Well, here's my eternal life painting. Oh but this is

812
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: not in color. This is the paperbacks, not in color,

813
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: but in the hardcover and kindle it's in color. But yeah,

814
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: I think eternal life is what everybody wants and secretly

815
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: thinks about, and rich people pay money to try to

816
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: keep living. And I agree with you. When COVID it

817
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Speaker 1: was like, we're all gonna die?

818
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 3: What are you?

819
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 4: So?

820
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: You know, it cracks me up when people are everyone's

821
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: going to die unless Jesus comes back, right, So.

822
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, living in constant fear of that. The Bible describes

823
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 2: that as a form of spiritual slavery. If you're going

824
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 2: through your life and the constant fear of death, you're

825
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: in a form of spiritual slavery. Says that in the

826
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Speaker 2: Book of Hebrews. As we wrap up our conversation, I'm

827
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 2: sure that there's somebody listening to us right now who

828
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: who knows what they're going through. Maybe they feel overwhelmed

829
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 2: by fear. Maybe they feel overwhelmed by uncertainty. Maybe they're

830
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: going through a difficult diagnosis of their own or anything

831
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 2: like that. What council would you offer them about just

832
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 2: finding real, sincere, genuine peace in Christ. When the future

833
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: starts to feel a little unclear, I think.

834
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: They should stay in the scripture, stay in the Bible.

835
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Speaker 1: It is God's word and it's alive, and it's really powerful.

836
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Speaker 1: I mean, Isaiah forty one ten, do not be afraid,

837
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: for I'm with you if you either believe it or

838
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: you don't. If you choose to believe this, don't be afraid,

839
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 1: don't be dismayed. I'm your God. I will strengthen you,

840
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: I will help you. I will uphold you with my

841
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: factorious right hand. So if they say, well, I wish

842
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 1: I had faith, well, faith comes by hearing and hearing

843
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: by the word of God. To read the Bible all

844
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: day long. Put on America, reads the Bible doc it's

845
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: on right now. When we hang up, I'm going to

846
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: put it back on and just have it playing in

847
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 1: the house all day and play worship music because we're

848
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: here to glorify God. That's why we're here. And that's

849
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: when we're the happiest. Whatever you could do to glorify him,

850
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: use whatever he's given you, or just play worship music

851
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: all day in your house and you won't be afraid.

852
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 3: I love that, Victoria.

853
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: If someone's listening to us right now and they'd like

854
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 2: to get a copy of your book not dead yet,

855
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: where's the best place for them to do that? And

856
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: if they want to follow some of the other things

857
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 2: that you're doing, is there a good place for them

858
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: to do that as well?

859
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: Yes, my book is on Amazon on I made it

860
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: on audio book too, which was a lot of hours

861
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: off I'm sure reading, and I threw in some extra

862
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: show bized stories but you can't see it handstand photographs

863
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: in the audio. But anyway, they can see it on Amazon,

864
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 1: they can buy it on Amazon, and they can find

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Speaker 1: me on Victoria Jackson Official. I think that's my Instagram, okay,

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Speaker 1: and I put things up every day that I think

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Speaker 1: would edify them.

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Speaker 3: I love that, or and you.

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Speaker 1: My YouTube is Victoria Jackson and I'm on TikTok too.

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Speaker 3: Excellent.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you're listening to us today, if you're watching

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Speaker 2: us on YouTube, be sure to follow Victoria Jackson and

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Speaker 2: be sure to get a copy of Not Dead Yet.

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Speaker 2: I'm certain you're going to be encouraged by Victoria. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so so much for carving out time for us

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Speaker 2: and for our listeners today, and for sharing all about

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Speaker 2: what the Lord's been doing in your life.

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Speaker 3: It's truly encouraging.

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Speaker 1: And thank you John for being faithful to the Lord,

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Speaker 1: day after day, book after book, sermon after sermon, person

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Speaker 1: after person seeking counsel from you. It's so exhausting, and

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Speaker 1: you are carrying it with joy and peace, and you

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Speaker 1: inspire me.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Victoria, I really appreciate that