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Speaker 2: Starts in the home and then in the camps, and.

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Speaker 1: We talk about the authority and the infallibility of the

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Speaker 2: When they reach the age that they're getting ready to

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Speaker 3: Imagine living in a country where there were hardly any

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Speaker 3: youth groups, or where there were only a handful of

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Speaker 3: youth in your church at all. How would your kids

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Speaker 3: grow in their faith and enjoy a sense of community

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Speaker 3: with believing peers if they hardly knew any Hi and

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Inside the Epicenter with Joel Lynn Rosenberg, a

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Speaker 3: podcast of the Joshua Fund. We are a ministry to

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Speaker 3: be last Israel and her neighbors.

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Speaker 2: In the name of Jesus.

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Speaker 3: You know, twenty years ago, there were very few opportunities

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Speaker 3: for believing youth in Israel to gather for camps and conferences.

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Speaker 3: There was very little training for youth leaders. In fact,

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Speaker 3: and since congregations are mostly small. The youth groups are

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Speaker 3: very small too, sometimes only two or three kids in

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Speaker 3: a congregation. In fact, when we made Alia as a

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Speaker 3: family in twenty fourteen, our three young adult sons or

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Speaker 3: teenage sons joining the youth group of our church almost

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Speaker 3: doubled the size. One of the Joshua Fund's original partners.

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Speaker 3: One of the very first ministries that we had the

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Speaker 3: honor and the blessing to invest in, is a ministry

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Speaker 3: called Netiva. It's a national youth ministry that was started

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Speaker 3: in two thousand and five by Joel and Leelah Goldberg.

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Speaker 3: Netivah means a pathway or the way to go, and

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Speaker 3: it's talking about the life, the way to go in life.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Christians were called the Way in the

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Speaker 3: beginning in the Book of Acts. Well, in this episode,

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Speaker 3: Joel got to sit down with Joel and Leila and

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Speaker 3: talk about what God has taught them and how he's

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Speaker 3: developed this amazing ministry over twenty years. And it's such

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Speaker 3: a blessing for us that we continue to walk with

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Speaker 3: them as partners. Joel Goldberg and I actually graduated from

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Speaker 3: the same seminary together. He and his wife Lela are

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Speaker 3: such wonderful servant leaders in the land of Israel. And

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Speaker 3: as we look back on twenty years of the Joshua Fund,

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Speaker 3: we invite you to learn more about one of our

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Speaker 3: first investments, Natzivach. As my Joel sat down with Joel

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Speaker 3: and Leelah Goldberg, let's.

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Speaker 1: Listen in.

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Speaker 4: How do you invest in the youth of your country?

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Speaker 4: The young people who want to know Jesus, They want

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Speaker 4: to know the Word of God. They want to understand

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Speaker 4: how to study the God's word, how to pre God's word,

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Speaker 4: how to make disciples, how to shepherd the flock, how

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Speaker 4: to be strong in the Lord in very challenging and

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Speaker 4: difficult times. Spiritual warfare, kinetic warfare, this is not easy.

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Speaker 4: I want you to discover a very powerful, wonderful, fruitful

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Speaker 4: not only young teenagers, but also people in their twenties

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Speaker 4: and soldiers. I want you to meet the ministry and

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Speaker 4: discover the ministry of Nativa. There's a lot going on

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Speaker 4: in the region, but I want to take a break

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Speaker 4: from covering all these issues related to war and rumors

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Speaker 4: of war and peace and prophecy. Those are important and

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Speaker 4: we continue to cover them here. But tonight I want

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Speaker 4: us to look at a ministry that is so important.

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Speaker 4: Is a ministry that Joshuafun has been investing in for

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Speaker 4: almost twenty years. It's a ministry and love.

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Speaker 2: It was founded by.

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Speaker 4: Joel Goldberg and Israeli believe who has a great first name.

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Speaker 4: I love the name Joel and his wife Leela, and

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Speaker 4: I want you to meet them tonight. I want you

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Speaker 4: to understand what this ministry is about. So without further ado,

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Speaker 4: let's go to their campus in central Israel and discover Netiva.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that's really important to

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Speaker 4: Man, when you started twenty years ago, you and your

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Speaker 1: Joel, I had no idea. We were obedient. We were

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Speaker 2: So we packed our bags twenty three years.

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Speaker 1: Ago and went to Western Seminary in Portland, Oregon, where

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Speaker 1: they had a youth ministry program. And God just my

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Speaker 1: God just used that time with great professors and great

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Speaker 1: I apply this in Israel when I go back. And

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Speaker 4: Is there a couple of passages of scripture that define

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Speaker 4: its its mission, it's purpose, the driving force.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: First of all Some one twenty seven, and this is

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Speaker 1: It says, unless the lord builds the house, the labor

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Speaker 1: youth ministry or work with teenagers starts in the home.

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Speaker 1: But then it says that the youth are like arrows

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Speaker 1: they are this next generation. You know what, I take

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Speaker 1: that back, It's not the next generation. It's this generation

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Speaker 1: when it says that they're going to be arrows in

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Speaker 1: So I believe that our this generation that we're working

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Speaker 2: They're like our arrows.

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Speaker 1: We need to strengthen them, we need to build them up,

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Speaker 1: it's from Jude that Jude turns around and he says,

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Speaker 1: hebro to contend for your faith because difficult times are coming.

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Speaker 1: And I really believe that our younger generation, they need

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Speaker 1: Just to conclude this, the end of Psalm Want twenty

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Speaker 2: When they reach the age that they're getting ready to

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Speaker 4: One of the things I find wonderful about you and

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Speaker 4: long you've been doing it, that's not really that interesting

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Speaker 4: to you compared to life change. So what are some

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Speaker 4: God gave us a chance to really invest in that person,

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Speaker 4: to see their lives change.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to name his name.

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Speaker 1: He's now in the military, but they, let's say, comb

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Speaker 1: that they talked about God and about Jesus, but he

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Speaker 2: That so it's called guard.

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Speaker 1: It's a ten day pre military program, very intense designed.

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Speaker 4: To spiritually equip you and prepare you for what are

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: But also it's a jolt. It's it's like, what's going on, right?

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Speaker 4: And everyone on your team has done the army and

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that we do in this

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Speaker 1: On the last day, we were actually sitting here at

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Speaker 2: The boy just understood. He says, I've never been a believer,

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Speaker 2: And I said, well, do you want to pray?

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Speaker 1: he said, I don't know how to. He says, would

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Speaker 4: I think that's so important for lots of reasons, but

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Speaker 3: Wide well, I've hoped you've enjoyed this wonderful conversation as

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